Re: Fw: Call for Participation for OpenExpo 2008 in Zürich, Switzerland (24./25. September 2008)
auf das neue Firmenaussteller und Sponsoring Dossier hinweisen, welches die Angebote für Unternehmen attraktiv und übersichtlich darstellt. http://www.openexpo.ch/openexpo-2008-zuerich http://www.openexpo.ch/sponsoring 3. 24h-Programmiermarathon «Hackontest» lanciert * Die /ch/open lanciert im Rahmen des Jahr der Informatik 2008 den ersten internationalen Hackontest. Bei diesem von Google finanzierten Programmier-Wettbewerb ergänzen die Entwickler von drei Open Source Projekten in einem etoy.CONTAINER während 24 Stunden ihr Projekt um eine bestimmte Funktion. Damit soll sowohl dessen Weiterentwicklung gefördert als auch das Verständnis in der Öffentlichkeit über den Open Source Entwicklungsprozess verstärkt werden. In der ersten Phase, die jetzt gestartet wurde, können Entwickler, aber auch Anwender von Open Source Software ihre Wünsche für neue Programm-Features in ihrer bevorzugten Open Source Software einreichen. Mitglieder der prominenten Hackontest-Jury, die 8500 Dollar Preisgelder vergibt, sind unter anderem Jeremy Alison (Gründer von Samba), Bruce Perens (Gründer der Open Source Initiative OSI), Alexander Limi (Initiator Content Management System Plone), Harald Welte (OpenMoko-Entwickler und Initiator gpl-violations.org) und Jono Bacon (Koordinator Ubuntu Community). http://www.hackontest.org 4. CH Open Source Award 2008 * Als weitere Initiative des Jahr der Informatik 2008 vergibt die /ch/open den CH Open Source Award, um die Entwicklung und Nutzung von Open Source Software in der Schweiz zu fördern. Die Auszeichnung wird in insgesamt fünf Kategorien vergeben, die gesamte Preissumme beträgt 10'000 Franken. Eine Jury aus OSS-Dienstleistern, Experten und Fachverbänden wird die Preisträger küren. Teilnahmeberechtigt sind Personen, Firmen und Organisationen aus der Schweiz, die OSS einsetzen und fördern. Awards werden an Entwickler, Firmen und Einzelpersonen vergeben: http://www.ossaward.ch 5. OSS Weiterbildungstagung am 24. Mai 2008 *** Wie und wo wird Freie Software und offenes Wissen im Alltag eingesetzt? Wie erhält man Support für Open Source Software und welche rechtlichen Aspekte gilt es zu berücksichtigen? Antworten auf diese Fragen stehen an der 2. OSS-Weiterbildungstagung in Fachreferaten, Fallbeispielen und Workshops im Zentrum. Unter anderem referiert Marcus Dapp, ETH Zürich, wie man mit Open Source Communities kommuniziert und Hilfe bekommen kann. Nando Stöcklin von der PH Bern erläutert die Chancen und Herausforderungen von Wikipedia für Schulen. Und Anwalt Dr. Christian Laux erklärt die Grundlagen der unterschiedlichen Open Source Lizenzen. Durchführung: Samstag, 24. Mai 2008 von 9h bis 17h an der EB Zürich Kosten: CHF 120.- Anmeldeschluss: 28. April 2008 http://www.ossanschulen.ch/weiterbildungstagung-2008 - Original Message Ends Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | JEE, Linux, Unix 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache Java Software Open Source Consulting, Development, Design| INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG Fuerth, HRB 7350 Gesellschaftssitz: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer: Henning Schmiedehausen char name_buf[257]; /* max unix filename is 256, right? */ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Call for Participation for OpenExpo 2008 in Zürich, Switzerland (24./25. September 2008)
FWIW, I submitted two connected talk proposals to openexpo.ch (Shindig and OpenSocial), if one or both are accepted, I will be around. :-) Best regards Henning On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 10:14 +0100, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 09:24 +0200, berndf wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'm forwarding this CfP here as I've participated in the last OpenExpo in Berne, Switzerland. It was a huge success [1][2]. I hope you'll excuse that most of the information below is in German. There's some information in English on the OpenExpo website at: http://openexpo.ch/en [1] http://www.openexpo.ch/en/openexpo-2008-bern/press-release/ [2] http://www.jeremias-maerki.ch/blog/2008/03/14/openexpo-in-berne-was-great/ Matthias Stürmer, one of the organizers, has mentioned to me that they would be interested in having an Apache Track. In the last issue we were three people from three different Apache projects. Mine was the only presentation on an Apache project. I'm not sure we can come up with enough proposals for a full Apache track but we can certainly try. So I decided to forward the CfP here to reach a larger audience inside the ASF. It would be great to see more Apache projects represented there, either with a small booth or with a presentation. I'm sure it's also a good opportunity for potential sponsors operating in the D/A/CH area. Please spread the word! Thanks! I'd be interested in participating. Should we just throw CfPs at them or should we coordinate Apache CfPs beforehand? :-) Coincidently, I ran into the CfP of German openexpo.de (ends April 30th) some days ago. This event seems to be related to the swiss one. I think the ASF should represent there, too! (And if the organizers are hard/sym-linked with each other, we can test run for Winterthur (very nice city!). My intention was to submit a talk about the ASF in general there. BTW, what about an ASF booth at both events? The ASF should be more visible at events like these! This is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] thing, right? yes it's good to keep them informed but PRC is a closed list with limited subscription. IMHO subjects like this are best discussed in public. IMHO apache is now big enough to start creating a voluntary list of committers who are willing to represent apache on a per country basis. maybe people.apache.org could help... - robert -- Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | JEE, Linux, Unix 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache Java Software Open Source Consulting, Development, Design| INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG Fuerth, HRB 7350 Gesellschaftssitz: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer: Henning Schmiedehausen char name_buf[257]; /* max unix filename is 256, right? */ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Moving ( looking for a job)
Hi, some of you have already heard about it, this is to make it 'official': I'm doing the faithful duty of a good husband and will follow my wife who starts a new job in Palo Alto, California. So we will be moving there in the next months. As she is a smart person and I am not, I am looking for anyone that wants to hire a software architect / engineer with experience on the J2EE and Linux/Unix platforms and strong roots in the open source community. You must be willing to help me through either the H-1B or O-1 visa process. If you are interested, just ping me. I will be both at ApacheCon US and Asia if you want to talk to me F2F. Any hints on what to look out for when moving to the Bay area are gladly accepted. We already got warned about house prices. :-) Best regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Java, J2EE, Linux Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- Consultant, Architect, Developer Web: http://henning.schmiedehausen.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache license headers
Very nice! I love the compactness and readability of Ruby (no joke!).
If you are interested in a more overengineered solution to that problem,
there is CodeWrestler at
http://henning.schmiedehausen.org/eyewiki/Wiki.jsp?page=CodeWrestler
Especially the license.ReLicense and license.CheckLicense modules.
I use this tool on the projects that I work on and e.g. the last
Velocity Release got its license headers 'codewrestled'... :-)
Best regards
Henning
Matthieu Riou schrieb:
Hi,
I've just written a small Ruby script to check whether all your files
have the Apache license headers and optionally add them where they're
missing. It's as simple as:
ruby check_license_headers.rb # list files with no header
ruby check_license_headers.rb add # add headers automatically
It scans for 'java', 'xml', 'bpel', 'wsdl', 'c' and 'cpp' files but it's
rather easy to add more files type. Might not be bullet proof but it
worked well enough for me. Thought I'd just post it here in case someone
else finds it useful.
Cheers,
Matthieu
==
module FileBrowser
def browse(root)
queue = Array.new.push(root)
while !queue.empty?
filename = queue.pop
if File.file?(filename)
yield(filename)
else
Dir.new(filename).each do |child|
unless ['..', '.','.svn'].include? child
queue.push(filename + / + child)
end
end
end
end
end
end
class HeadersCheck
EXT = ['java', 'xml', 'bpel', 'wsdl', 'c', 'cpp']
include FileBrowser
def check_files(dir, dry_run)
count = 0
browse(dir) do |filename|
if /\.#{EXT.join('$|\.')}$/ =~ filename
match = nil
f = File.new (filename)
# Checking for the Apache header in the 4 first lines
4.times do
match ||= (/Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation/ =~
f.readline) rescue nil
#puts(File #{filename} too short to check.)
end
f.close
unless match
if dry_run
puts Missing header in #{filename}
else
add_header(filename)
end
count += 1
end
end
end
if dry_run
puts #{count} files don't have an Apache license header.
else
puts #{count} files have been changed to include the Apache
license header.
end
end
def add_header(filename)
# Extracting file extension
ext = /\.([^\.]*)$/.match(filename[1..-1])[1]
header = HEADERS[ext]
content = File.new(filename, 'r').read
if content[0..4] == '?xml'
# If the file has a xml header, the license needs to be appended after
content = content[0..content.index(\n)] + header +
content[(content.index (\n) + 1)..-1]
else
content = header + content
end
File.new(filename, 'w').write(content)
end
end
JAVA_HEADER = JAVA
/*
* Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one
* or more contributor license agreements. See the NOTICE file
* distributed with this work for additional information
* regarding copyright ownership. The ASF licenses this file
* to you under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the
* License); you may not use this file except in compliance
* with the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at
*
*http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
*
* Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing,
* software distributed under the License is distributed on an
* AS IS BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY
* KIND, either express or implied. See the License for the
* specific language governing permissions and limitations
* under the License.
*/
JAVA
XML_HEADER = XML
!--
~ Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one
~ or more contributor license agreements. See the NOTICE file
~ distributed with this work for additional information
~ regarding copyright ownership. The ASF licenses this file
~ to you under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the
~ License); you may not use this file except in compliance
~ with the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at
~
~http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
~
~ Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing,
~ software distributed under the License is distributed on an
~ AS IS BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY
~ KIND, either express or implied. See the License for the
~ specific language governing permissions and limitations
~ under the License.
--
XML
HEADERS = {
'java' = JAVA_HEADER,
'c' = JAVA_HEADER,
'cpp' = JAVA_HEADER,
'xml' = XML_HEADER,
'bpel' = XML_HEADER,
'wsdl' = XML_HEADER
}
if ['-h', '--help', 'help'].include? ARGV[0]
puts Scans the current directory for files with missing Apache
puts license headers.
putsruby check_license_headers.rb #
Google Mail invite
Hi, as Google Mail still is not public yet: Does anyone have a Google Mail invite? For various reasons I seem to need a web mail account. :-/ Thanks a lot Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google Mail invite
Hi, thanks folks! No more invites needed. Thanks to all who answered. Best regards Henning Henning Schmiedehausen schrieb: Hi, as Google Mail still is not public yet: Does anyone have a Google Mail invite? For various reasons I seem to need a web mail account. :-/ Thanks a lot Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is CVS no longer accessible in any way?
Hi, (I was thinking about sending this to infrastructure@ but this might be of interest outside the infrastructure group, so I send this to community@) attached is a mail that I got a few days ago. It is a quite innocent (and actually a very good) question, that I cannot answer. For those of you that are not that much involved in the Jakarta and particularly in the Turbine world: Turbine-3 is sort of an experimental/advanced branch off the regular development tree that is probably used only in Scarab, which is an issue tracker written by some Turbine people @ tigris.org. Turbine-3 never saw an official release and is considered dead by the main Turbine developers. This is important to know, because for that reason, this tree was never brought forward to Subversion. And now CVS and public CVS access is gone. The sources themselves are still on minotaur (/x1/home/cvs/jakarta-turbine-3) but I can see no way to access them any longer from the outside. That sucks. I'm pretty sure that this is not the only part of the CVS tree that was not brought forward to Subversion. There is old code, obsolete code, code referenced in books, manuals, wikis, blogs and almost everywhere else, that somehow points to the old CVS repository. I know that for the sake of progress, CVS is gone for good. However, it might be a good thing to have a documented (I searched a bit on the www.apache.org/dev/ pages and aside from CVS has been retired, there is not much information) way to tell our users how to get the old stuff. Maybe we could set up a read-only CVS through archive.apache.org? We lost quite a bit of code in the java.apache.org - jakarta transition (e.g. I was never able to recover any Turbine code prior to 2.1 and the transition to Jakarta). IMHO we shouldn't make that mistake again. It is a good thing that CVS is no longer in active use for new code and projects. However, CVS is a vital part of our code history and some people do need access to that history. Just wiping it out is IMHO not a good thing to do. Best regards Henning Forwarded Message From: Huang bekind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: do you know how to get the Turbine 3.0 source code that are used by Scarab 1.20b Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:21:30 +0800 HI do you know how to get the Turbine 3.0 source code that are used by Scarab 1.20b thank you very much -- Best regards, Nick -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Engineering He said: I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 05:39, Craig McClanahan wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 05:31:03 +0100, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK - let's play this game but let's do it properly. I've got a better idea ... let's not play the game (any more) at all. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/quotes#qt0077889 Can't agree more. Can we just lay this thread to rest? Stephen and Niclas can open up www.avalonconspiracy.com and the rest goes on with life. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??
On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 03:52 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Now, hasn't their been licensing disputes from (L)GPL camps, IIRC JBoss?? Where they were accusing the ASF of breach of licensing. Can't ASF pay back with the same coins, referring to their own authority (FSF) about that the licensing is incompatible... So, Mr Fleury, please drop the following from your distribution (incl non-apache); * log4j * tomcat * jetty * beanshell * jasper * hsqldb * mx4j and on and on and on... It's not for us to decide for projectx whether they deem ASF-2.0 licensed software to be incompatible with their (L)GPL'ed code or not. The people that release ASF 2.0 licensed software don't need to care about this, because the problem is not the ASF 2.0 license but another (in this case (L)GPL) which states that the result must be licensed again under this other license (in this case (L)GPL. In other words: The ASF IMHO does not need to care. Because the ASF 2.0 is not violated. In my opinion (and people here knows I'm the kind who confronts, that's no secret) throw that at JBoss + FSF and see the reaction. Nice Christmas present. If this gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling all over, go ahead and tell them... Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development What is more important to you... [ ] Product Security or [ ] Quality of Sales and Marketing Support -- actual question from a Microsoft customer survey signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: Is ASL2.0 not 'GPL-compatible' ??
On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 15:28 -0600, Antonio Gallardo wrote: On Mar, 21 de Diciembre de 2004, 15:17, Stephen McConnell dijo: AFAIK there is no a clausule telling: All committers or members, except Stephen ;-) You don't seem to have access to the purple files... Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development What is more important to you... [ ] Product Security or [ ] Quality of Sales and Marketing Support -- actual question from a Microsoft customer survey signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
Now the partys over Im so tired [ ... as probably everyone else here ...] Then I see you coming Out of nowhere [ ... Is this you, Stephen? ... ] Much communication in a motion Without conversation or a notion [... Yep ...] Avalon When the samba takes you Out of nowhere And the backgrounds fading Out of focus Yes the picture changing Every moment [... Yep ...] And your destination You dont know it [... That guy must be a clairvoyant...] Avalon When you bossa nova Theres no holding Would you have me dancing Out of nowhere Avalon Comments in [] by me, with apologies to Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music. Now, can we please lay this thread to rest? What good is it for? Just to prove I was right? Regards Henning (This was meant to be a funny/ironic comment. Come on, these lyrics are more than twenty years old... ) -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed
Messages like this are IMHO the main reason, why Avalon failed. Stephen, you should understand, that community always means compromise. You didn't seem to be able to accept that. In the end, these tensions lead to the end of Avalon. Story is over, no need to kick a dead horse. One of the good things about ASF code _is_, that you can take it somewhere else and go on with it. Good luck with Metro/Merlin. But now, please let the dead rest. Regards Henning On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 02:26, Stephen McConnell wrote: -Original Message- From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And on behalf of the developers at Avalon, I would like to Thank ALL the past Chairs and members of the Avalon PMC, for a all-in-all a job well done. I'm sorry - but you will have to exclude myself from the above endorsement. The Avalon community established a PMC to represent the community interests concerning the direction and administration of the Avalon project. The community interests were clear - a single platform, one specification, a cohesive solution. That decision was not respected by the outgoing chair nor the board of directors of the ASF. That is not the definition of a job-well-done. Instead this is much more about the weakness of individuals - in particular the members of the board of directors of the ASF and not least of all our outgoing chain. However - there is much that can be learnt from this. The weaknesses of the BOD can be attributed to their collective unwillingness to confront members of their own board. The weakness of our Chair was more a question of his personal loyalty to the community. Irrespective of the above obstacles a real and tangible alternative to ASF continues under http://www.dpml.net. The fundamental difference - no distinction between the people who contribute and the people who run the process. Stephen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 22:32, Julie MacNaught wrote: Hi, [...] I've been accused of being a geek, however, in my defense, I always say: you think I'M a geek, you should meet my friends at Apache.. [...] Wow. Define being normal by pointing at people that are even weirder. I never thought of that. Seems I'm a member of the latter group. ;-) Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges
Do you have a concrete case for this or is this just blue-skying? Regards Henning On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 02:11, thorsten wrote: Hello lists, what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with the normal evolution of Apache incubation projects. I think that mentors could write off-list mails to possible committers and discourage them to committ to a incubating projects. On the end this mentor could recommend to the possible incubating committer to work on a *NON* apache project instead of the incubating project. THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION TO THE APACHE WAY TO DO THINGS!!! I reckon we recommend to ban such mentors because they have not understood the Apache way. I think they not deserve to carry a @apache.org branding. I am still learning that way but I know that we are not a marketing place. If they not abusing their powers they are welcome to help building a good community and good code. I hope that we can make some rules in Apache to prevent that to happen. I think a abuse of e.g. mentor powers should be punished by a ban! I think we do not want that to happen here. So we should make sure that is not! How can we make sure that this will not happen in the ASF? WDYT? spot thorsten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development What is more important to you... [ ] Product Security or [ ] Quality of Sales and Marketing Support -- actual question from a Microsoft customer survey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)
On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 19:21, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 12 October 2004 21:02, Ben Hyde wrote: Projects that: fail to welcome new comers; fail to bring in credible new contributors ... well they are just stupid. They will ultimately become dysfunctional and implode. Question; Should Open Source be Open Participation? I am sure that the upper-tier of ASF would shiver at the thought that hordes of people can gain direct access to the repositories. They/we will dust of the same arguments of why Wiki won't work. But it does. Why? Because *most* people *want* it to work. But the few that don't will spoil the show. We had our share of Wiki defacement. With a wiki, that is easily corrected because all pages are in _one_ place. If you have code defacement (consider a malicious third party put a backdoor into the httpd stable branch) and anyone checks out code from the CVS with this backdoor, your project reputation is toast (/. reports a that a backdoor in widely distributed web server has been found. Film at eleven). Can it work on code? _I_ am absolutely certain, but I never expect that the Sorry Niclas, but in the last few weeks I've read quite a number of postings of you on the Avalon and general apache lists, that suggest that you either live in a dream world where everyone is everyone elses' friend or that you have no clue what you are talking about In the real world, there are probably ~99% of the people that are interested in working constructively together. But the last remaining percent is enough to put grafitti all over the walls in any bigger city (probably in Sweden too), burn holes in the seats on the subway and litter the streets. In the end, the majority of the 99% must adjust to the 1% of idiots. It is the same thing with the internet. On a wiki, where defacement and pranks are easily repaired, the majority might be able to tolerate the annoying people on the net. With a code repository where everyone can get a cheap copy and redistribute it: No way, Jose. This is a meritocracy, not a democracy. Prove me that you know what you are doing, earn trust and you will get more power. hard-earned ranks of the upper-tier in ASF to willingly relinguish the 'military style rankings' that makes up ASF and most other OSS projects. Future will tell, but I am putting my money on Open Participation Software (OPS) where everyone is welcome to join in, not barriers of entry and militarism of promotions. ;o) It seems to me that you have no idea how a larger organization should be structured. And the ASF with 800+ committers is such a larger organization. There have been lots of experiments in the dot-com bubble startups with non-hierarchical structures community concensus and self management. In the end, those companies survived that have modeled themselves after the good old executive, middle-management, workers model what has been proven to work in the last few centuries. Because the others couldn't even agree who should wash the cups after a meeting and had to hire a consultant for this. IMHO you should reflect on: Now I am a firm believer in democracy, but I also believe that there are some fields of human activity in which a count of noses does not provide the best basis for law and order. (Theodore M. Bernstein: The Careful Writer) But please, stop talking about things that you obviously have never tried out or at least not tried out on a marginally successful project. That your ideas work for the obscure project with a few developers and a community where everyone knows everyone else: Sure. Would it work for Tomcat, httpd or even a mid-size project like Avalon/Merlin/Excalibur: Surely not. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)
On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 10:00, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Who's up for a DD game? [sound of stefano scratching ass] On that topic: @ ApacheCon anyone? ;-) Regards Henning (Half-Orc, 9th level. My co-players think that it really fits me well. ;-) ) -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)
On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 00:25, Henri Yandell wrote: [...] * The domination of Apple laptops at open-source conventions shows the adoration with which FLOSS developers have greeted Apple's user interface. In fact, I think we represent the only new market for Apple' computers recently. Nah. I beg to differ. IMHO the main reason for the startling number of Apple Laptops between Power Users (at least this is the reason why I consider getting a Powerbook) is, that this is the only Unix-based, main-stream system that offers you a wide range of professional end-user applications on top of Unix. The reason for the acceptance is vendor-support, not UI slickness. Hell, I sticked with fvwm2 till middle this year and I still miss a few of its features with Gnome. For day to day work, I need a bash window or two. And emacs. :-) And you can run an Unix based application (e.g. for a presentation) _and_ Powerpoint on one computer. Can't do this with Linux. Can't do this with Windows. Laptop support for Linux still sucks. A Powerbook runs all day without having to recharge. My trusty Toshiba Satellite cleans out its batteries within two hours under Linux and 3 1/2 hours under Windows. Yes, you can get OpenOffice and Gimp for Linux. I don't care. I want Photoshop and Microsoft Office. And Games... :-) * Python/Apache are terrible projects to look at. These are established communities towards the core of coding (not as deep as Linux, but close). Instead start looking at a higher level at open community projects concerning things that affect non-coders. IMHO these are technogeek communities. Not intended for end users. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
On Sun, 2004-09-26 at 17:57, Niclas Hedhman wrote: [...] I think it is called the Apache Way, i.e. I haven't earned the respect of others to have a different opinion about the ASF internals, nor does my view that what 100 people (members) is informed of, can be shared with the Commenting a board decision with sniping comments like [...] Unfortunately, we have been told by the overlords of ASF that users doesn't matter much. That can also be seen on many projects where the users@ mailing [...] on the avalon mailing lists won't help your case much. remaining set of committers that makes out this community. Apperently my Scandinavian background of complete transparency is not compatible with the more secretive athmosphere around here. And implying that you, because of your scandinavian background of complete transparency are not compatible with the ASF does IMHO not, either. The ASF consists of individuals from all over the world. Yes, there are opinion clashes in the projects, on the TLP PMCs but generally spoken, I haven't met a more forgiving bunch of different dedvelopers than the ASF. Have you ever been subscribed to linux-kernel? :-) You seem to want to do your thing inside the ASF. This does not seem to work as the current state of the Avalon community implies, because there are different opinions or even politics. If you insist on forking Avalon (with the Metro TLP), why not fork off-ASF? e.g. to codehaus.org? Why not incubate Metro before calling for a TLP? Is it the reduced visibility? Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: proposed ammendment to mirroring policy
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 17:26, Daniel F. Savarese wrote: Disclaimer: The presence of a mirror on this list does not constitute an endorsement by the Apache Software Foundation of the organization's business or other activities. The Apache Software Foundation lists all mirror sites that request to be listed and meet the criteria specified at: http://www.apache.org/info/how-to-mirror.html +1 Excellent idea. BTW: They are using Apache for dont_name_it.com and announce it on every HTTP request: Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix) mod_jk/1.1.0 TKTAuth/1.3 Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSCOM.4 / ApacheCon Europe 2004 RFP
OSCOM.4 / ApacheCon Europe 2004 ETH (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology), Zurich, Switzerland Wednesday, Sept 29 - Friday, October 1, 2004 As my proposals got accepted, I will be there. And as my talks are on Sep 29th in the morning and Oct 1st noon, I will be there the whole time... =8-O I noticed a talk by Erik Abele in the schedule. Who else of the Apache people will be there? Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inexpensive Lists
On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 23:50, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:01 PM -0400 Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely disagree with this view. I don't see why the ASF *has* to support water-cooler conversations. It just doesn't coincide with our mission. Other people and sites can run them individually outside of the ASF - I've no problem with that *at all*. Because we are human beings. Huddling together around the camp fire and swapping war stories is part of our nature. That's why I think that a community@ list is appropriate. I don't consider myself a robot cranking out code for the ASF. [...] I'm also peeved by the response of 'create a new mailing list' to almost any problem. It's terribly uncreative and places a *lot* of burden on those who are stuck running the infrastructure. Actually, I take offense of this paragraph. If you are 'stuck' running the infrastructure, why don't you let others help you? I still found no way to communicate with the infrastructure people to offer *help*. When eyebrowse broke down (e.g. for the Turbine lists), I asked on infrastructure@ and offered to help getting it back up (I do run a few servers over here and am willing to help out with the daily burdens of keeping a few servers on track). However, it seems that living in Silicon Valley seems to be an indispensable prerequisite to be considered as a helper for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just being part of the community doesn't seem to be enough. So, yes, you are stuck with running the infrastructure. Mainly because (at least I feel like this) you (and I don't mean you, Justin, but you, infrastructure) don't seem to want people help you. Or tell those others here on community@, what we can do to be considered as junior infrastructure people to relief your burdens. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services RHCE - Consultant - Jakarta Turbine Development - hero for hire Fighting for one's political stand is an honourable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Inexpensive Lists
Hi, if the information everyone that is an ASF committer and wants to help out can _subscribe_ to infrastructure@ would be more widely disseminated, I'm pretty sure that more people will come. :-) At least to me, this was not clear until a few minutes ago. I just subscribed. Regards Henning On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 09:43, Noel J. Bergman wrote: If you are 'stuck' running the infrastructure, why don't you let others help you? The Infrastructure Team has put out requests for help for over a year on things that would really help. There have been a number of people added over the past year, who work on specific areas, such as JIRA, the Wiki, etc. Since last Fall we have added a number of additional root people (and will add one more this week). Unfortunately, we have also grown significantly, and some of the people who previously did root work have curtailed their level of involvement, so it may not have been a net gain. I still found no way to communicate with the infrastructure people to offer *help*. infrastructure@ is the right, and obvious, place. When eyebrowse broke down (e.g. for the Turbine lists), I asked on infrastructure@ and offered to help getting it back up However, it seems that living in Silicon Valley seems to be an indispensable prerequisite to be considered as a helper for [EMAIL PROTECTED] The two people who currenly do the most with the mailing lists are Berin Lautenbach and myself. I am three time zones ahead of Silicon Valley, and Berin is half-way around the world. The current noise about needing people in Silicon Valley has to do with work at the colo center on installing new machines. Just being part of the community doesn't seem to be enough. No, but you do have to be an ASF Member to have access to the mail server because it provides you with access to otherwise confidential information. Similarly for root access. --- Noel -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jobs List again (fwd)
Thanks. I will send out an announcement to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Henning On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 20:41, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Done. Public list, private archives. --- Noel -Original Message- From: Brian Behlendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 14:31 To: Noel J. Bergman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Jobs List again (fwd) Open subscription. I'd say private archives, mostly out of a concern over spam to private addresses. When it's done please let the community@ list know so someone can add it to the list of mailing lists. Brian On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Private or public archives? Moderated or open subscription? --- Noel -Original Message- From: Brian Behlendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 15:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jobs List again (fwd) Hi. Could someone do the honors? [EMAIL PROTECTED], with henning as owner/moderator. Thanks. Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services RHCE - Consultant - Jakarta Turbine Development - hero for hire Fighting for one's political stand is an honourable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jobs List again
Hi, after a brief discussion, this went back to obscurity. As far as I can see, we don't have a jobs offered / jobs wanted list. How about getting one? I would be willing to act as moderator. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services RHCE - Consultant - Jakarta Turbine Development - hero for hire Fighting for one's political stand is an honourable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fortune Magazine
The headline reminded me of the Doc Searls talk @ ApacheCon. Regards Henning On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 18:27, Jim Jagielski wrote: I'm wondering... is that an ApacheCon jacket Greg is wearing?? :) Pretty good article I should say. Here as well: http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/ 0,15114,588422,00.html -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither - T.Jefferson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Außerdem können in Deutschland alle Englisch. [...] so entfällt die Notwendigkeit [...] Deutsch zu lernen. -- Johan Micoud auf die Frage warum er kein Deutsch spricht. (http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,273205,00.html) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need more volunteers for Apache booth at CeBIT expo
As someone wrote: Main problem would be lodging. Has anyone a place to crash? Regards Henning On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 12:40, Lars Eilebrecht wrote: Hi, like last year we will have an Apache booth at the LinuxPark open source forum at CeBIT expo in Hannover, Germany. This year we can use the booth for 4 days, thus we need more volunteers to help with the booth! Dates: 18. March (Thursday) - 21. March (Sunday) Further details are in CVS at committers/docs/de-meeting/cebit2004.txt Please add yourself if you want to join us and if you can help with running the booth. Please direct further discussion to community@apache.org ciao... -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Außerdem können in Deutschland alle Englisch. [...] so entfällt die Notwendigkeit [...] Deutsch zu lernen. -- Johan Micoud auf die Frage warum er kein Deutsch spricht. (http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,273205,00.html) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
How about setting up SMTP AUTH over TLS? This is pretty simple (at least with sendmail) and you don't need to fiddle with SSH for sending mail. Don't we have a full fledged Java based mail server in the ASF? ;-) (ducks, runs) Regards Henning On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 23:25, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Joshua and Joerg said you can just send mail as whomever you like through your local SMTP relay; and while that's usually true, some conservative sysadmins will only allow relaying through of mail claiming to be from a particular sender domain; furthermore it's becoming more common for port 25 outgoing to be filtered when coming from untrusted networks. Therefore, you have one other option involving SSH, but allowing you to use your local mail client. Minotaur.apache.org is configured to allow SMTP relaying via the localhost interface. So what you do is set up an SSH tunnel that connects your own localhost port X (X can be any value above 1024) to minotaur's localhost port 25; then in your mail client configuration, you set your SMTP server to be localhost, port X. When you send a message, your mail client will connect to localhost:X, relayed over your SSH connection to localhost:25 on minotaur. I do this, though not with apache.org's server. In a similar way, you can use the POP service that runs on minotaur's localhost interface. Tunnel to localhost:110. Brian On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Phil Steitz wrote: Apologies if the answer to this question is obvious and I have just not stumbled on it; but I am having a hard time legally sending mail from my apache email address. Short of logging in to minotaur via ssh and using pine, I know of no authenticated way to do this. I can't seem to connect my Mozilla mail client via SMTP. From the headers on mails from this and other apache lists, it looks like some folks are just modifying the headers. I can set up my local sendmail to push [EMAIL PROTECTED]; but that seems bogus to me. Even when I send from minotaur, the headers don't look right. Can someone give me a clue? What do other people do? Is there a doc on this somewhere? Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheCon logo: a little less busy
We have Incubator twice, can we have Turbine instead? ;-) Regards Henning On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 20:48, Andreas Hartmann wrote: Andreas Hartmann wrote: Paul J. Reder wrote: Why not put this one on the front and the bandit on the back (with the text Everyone wins at ApacheCon)? Sounds great for me BTW, I've added more suggestions to http://www.cocooncenter.org/apache/apache-bandit.png and I will try it with the Everyone wins at ApacheCon now. That would perfectly go together with Glenn's coins, I'll see what I can do there. OK, here's one with coins. http://www.cocooncenter.org/apache/coins.png -- Andreas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheCon logo: a little less busy
This one is great! +1 for it. Regards Henning On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 01:32, B. W. Fitzpatrick wrote: Forgot to cc community on this one. Here's a less busy submission that keeps with the gaming motif: http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/acpoker.jpg -Fitz -- Brian W. Fitzpatrick[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFP: Apache T-Shirt Logo Contest
Nice, but there are no talks about - Avalon - James - Maven - ant at the Conference, so most of the left side isn't exactly ApacheCon related. Regards Henning On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 09:10, B. W. Fitzpatrick wrote: OK. Here's my submission: http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/ac2003.jpg The colors got a little tweaked when I converted to JPG, but that can be fixed, and if people think it's too busy, I can probably simplify it. I was also thinking about dumping the green entirely and just using the color of the shirt itself as the field. Anyway, comments and suggestions are more than welcome. -Fitz -- Brian W. Fitzpatrick[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
I won't. Life is not fair. I have several customers there (Hofheim), so I know about this. Solution: Move. E.g. my last house move and the location of my office were purely based on the number of carriers able to offer me bandwith there. I live in this century, I want to interact with its technology on the leading edge. Then I must be willing to create foundations to make this possible. One thing that the ASF is all about is laying foundations and creating software that people build stuff on. If you voluntarily chose to stay in a location where you can't get what you need to keep up, you can't expect others to scale down just so that you can do. Regards Henning On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 21:02, André Malo wrote: * Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked the idea of a general announce list where all this stuff is sent and let my mail client sort it out. This is the 21st century. If you have bandwidth, disk space or download time concerns, you're either not using the right technology or simply cannot keep up with the edge of this fast moving technology. I'm inviting you to move to our location where no provider seems to be able to put a big bandwidth connection, say, for a week and sorting out your 6000 mails per day. Have Fun :-) Guess where it is? Just some kilometers from the main German CIX, near Frankfurt/Main in the center of Germany. nd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Follow the example
I changed our internal site repository for the Turbine project to contain a link to ApacheCon, so the logo is displayed on all pages of the Turbine-Site. I also added a news item to News and Status. Who BTW did edit the index.html file for Turbine? Regards Henning On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 11:57, Ceki Glc wrote: Tetsuya, Thank you very much for making this change so quickly. I'd hate to abuse your kindness but do you think it is possible to advertise ApacheCon US 2003 on all WS pages, including its subproject pages? At 05:36 PM 9/19/2003 +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: I did it! I did it for http://ws.apache.org/ (The Apache Web Services Project) Yay!!! Cheers, __ Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:55:43 +0200 (Subject: Follow the example) Ceki Gulcu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone would agree that spreading the good word on ApacheCon US 2003 will contribute significantly to its success. Some projects have begun to do just that. See for example, http://www.apache.org http://jakarta.apache.org http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html Thus, I urge all ASF projects (and subprojects) follow their example and add a prominent icon to their project pages. Please do not wait until the conference starts. We really need to properly market ApacheCon US 2003. As an important source of revenue for the foundation, the success of AC 2003 matters to us all. As far as I can tell, the following projects have *not* updated their web pages. Ant Apr Avalon Cocoon DB Incubator James Maven mod_perl PHP TCL Web Services XML What can be done to fix this? Many thanks in advance, -- Ceki Gulcu ps: You can find icons in different sizes at: http://www.apache.org/~ceki/ac2003/ --- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Accredited Herrmann Brain Dominance Instrument Facilitator) http://www.hbdi.com/ -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
Terrific. In Germany, political parties _are_ charitable organizations (gemeinnützig) and donations to them are fully tax-deductable. Regards Henning On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 20:28, Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, David Reid wrote: Bill, are you seriously saying that laws in the EU will not have any impact on the way the ASF carries on it's affairs? It saddens me as I thought we'd moved away from this sort of small minded view of the world :( No, it means that, at least as far as the IRS is concerned, this is potentially an issue, as 501c3 charitable organizations are not supposed to be politically active. The intent is to prevent people from being able to make political donations to support a candidate's election and write off those donations, as one example. However, there are plenty of advocacy organizations whose 501c3 status is not a question: the EFF, for example. So long as any advocacy we do is around issues and not elections or votes or specific politicians, we're good. Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Hi, I simply stole^Wborrowed the layout from Martins' Torque announcement. I will put Jakarta Turbine in for the final release. Thanks for the suggestion. Regards Henning On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 02:56, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:49:41 +0200 Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it). Regards Henning Ditto: (+1) Also, I think [EMAIL PROTECTED] can use the same script, if the moderators of [EMAIL PROTECTED] are now getting many spam mails, coming to this address. (Of course, I mean all the announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org lists) Things should be simpler.:) .. Apache.org is complicated enough. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. One suggestion, Hennings. Turbine-2.3-RC2 released - Jakarta Turbine-2.3-RC2 released or Apache Turbine-2.3-RC2 released from next announcement. On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote: And a very sensible one at that! :) david - Original Message - From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got lost there, too. Regards Henning david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
As I said, I was just looking on the web pages. Maybe we should update them. Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got lost there, too. Regards Henning david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it). Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote: And a very sensible one at that! :) david - Original Message - From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Hi, now I know a reason: --- cut --- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. announce@apache.org: Must be sent from an @apache.org address. --- cut --- This isn't nice. :-( Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got lost there, too. Regards Henning david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
+1, +1 and the main question remains why we (and I don't mean just the ASF but all of us that develop and/or work with OSS and free software) were collectively blind and deaf to this issue. This didn't surface just today. We simply had a blind spot for this. :-( Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 19:44, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. d. -Original Message- From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2003 18:07 To: community@apache.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: EU Software Patents --On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09:14 +0100 Andrew Savory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to propose that we close (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down ourselves (or UnitedLayer does). If we were to do this, IMHO, it'd be at the board's direction - no one else has the authority to do this. If you want to provide a page that we could replace it with, that may make it easier to receive approval. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning -Forwarded Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned post for announcements@jakarta.apache.org Date: 25 Aug 2003 13:53:01 + Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the announcements@jakarta.apache.org mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, the list moderators for the announcements list have failed to act on your post. Thus, I'm returning it to you. If you feel that this is in error, please repost the message or contact a list moderator directly. --- Enclosed, please find the message you sent. From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: announcements@jakarta.apache.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NEWS] Jakarta Turbine 2.3 RC1 available Date: 20 Aug 2003 11:31:48 +0200 19. August 2003 - Jakarta Turbine 2.3 RC1 Released The Jakarta Turbine team is pleased to announce the availability of the first release candidate for the Turbine 2.3 release. Please refer to a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/turbine-2.3/changes.html;Changes/a for a list of changes between the 2.2 and 2.3 code base. The sources are available from a href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/turbine/turbine-2.3/source/;Here/a. Jars built with JDK 1.3.1 and JDK 1.4.2 are available from a href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/turbine/turbine-2.3/binaries/;Here/a. We expect a final release candidate, RC2 to be released on 25th August with the official release of Turbine 2.3 on September 1st. -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Meeting @ LinuxTag
Hi, as we got no real solution about a meeting at LinuxTag, I'd propose that we do as suggested by Lars/Rasmus: Meeting Point at the PHP booth (Hackathon style. ;-) ) I'll be in Karlsruhe from 10th to 11th, so if anyone wants to chat about Turbine or other stuff, I'd be happy to meet you there. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire --- Quote of the week: It is pointless to tell people anything when you know that they won't process the message. --- Jonathan Revusky - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sendmail (was: Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-) )
On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 21:06, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Look: everybody on this planet hates sendmail, That's pretty much a misconception. Sendmail might have a large number of people that don't like the monolitic approach, but you will find just as well loads of people that consider sendmail 'Just Another Mailer. The hate-sendmail/love-qmail reflex is as much ideology as the vi/emacs debate. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire --- Quote of the week: It is pointless to tell people anything when you know that they won't process the message. --- Jonathan Revusky - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Meeting @ LinuxTag, KA, Germany
Hi, a meeting @ linuxtag would be a reason for me to go there. Until now I hadn't planned it. As we toyed with the idea of a get-together of the german apache people around christmas last year (gee, another six months gone?), this would be a nice thing to have/do. Anyone else interested? Regards Henning On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 00:50, Erik Abele wrote: [I'm crossposting this to community@ and party@ to catch some more eyes; please reply on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Folks, some time ago we already had a discussion about a possible ASF meeting here in Germany. We also started to collect the locations of the interested people (see CVS:committers/docs/de-meeting) but somehow other tasks got a higher priority on my todo list and it seems that nobody else cared to track this down any further. Now, as it is pretty clear that there will be no ApacheCon this year here in Europe, I'd like to pick up the thread another time and suggest a meeting at this years [1]LinuxTag in Karlsruhe (10. - 13. July). According to the organizing association, LinuxTag is Europe's Number 1 Event for Linux, Open-Source and Free Software. It is accompanied by a conference/congress with plenty of [2]lectures, workshops and even a 'coding [3]marathon'. And the best of all: it's [4]free! Just a [5]preregisteration is required... Okay, while looking at the list of all the interested people and their locations it appeared to me that Karlsruhe is probably one of the most central locations we can get: it's a bit nearer to the north of Germany than Munich (which was initially proposed the last time) and it's also reachable for people from Switzerland and Austria. Another interesting point is the possibility to get one of two rooms reserved for open source developers and their projects. I'm willing to try to get in touch with the right people @ LinuxTag if there is enough interest for a meeting. Note, that there are also some ASF related speakers at LinuxTag including Ken Coar, Rasmus Lerdorf and Christian Egli from Lenya, a Cocoon subproject currently under incubation (schedule and links see below). Perhaps they are also interested and can spend some time on a meeting/party... Ken, Rasmus, Christian? Anyone around here? Well, if there is enough interest for this little happening we should decide some things as soon as possible; the time is short, I know: - who: are there enough people to organize something? - when: possible dates are 10. - 13. July ? - where: can we get a room? party location at evening? wasn't there somebody from Karlsruhe around last time? Okay, I'd also like to ping committers@ to ensure that we get the most possible visibility. So, that's it for now... open for discussion... opinions... ? Cheers, Erik BTW, I'll be there at 12. July and maybe I can also make it one day earlier. --- -- References/Links: [1] http://www.linuxtag.org/2003/en/index.html [2] http://www.linuxtag.org/2003/en/conferences/program.html [3] http://www.linuxtag.org/2003/en/expo/marathon.html [4] http://www.linuxtag.org/2003/en/conferences/free.html [5] http://www.linuxtag.org/2003/en/expo/prereg.html -- ASF-related sessions I spotted so far: 11.07. -- Seamless Content Management using Cocoon and Openoffice.org Christian Egli, wyona.org http://www.linuxtag.org/2003/en/conferences/talk.xsp?id=42 Do you PHP? Rasmus Lerdorf, Yahoo! http://www.linuxtag.org/2003/en/conferences/talk.xsp?id=45 12.07. -- Commercial Involvement in Open Software Ken Coar, Apache Software Foundation http://www.linuxtag.org/2003/en/conferences/talk.xsp?id=140 -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire --- Quote of the week: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Meeting @ LinuxTag, KA, Germany
Well, for an organized conference, I'd agree. I was thinking more along the meet the faces, go to lunch, get drunk, hang out, talk about cool stuff lines. If some project talks / sessions will get added, this would be even better. :-) Regards Henning On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 10:14, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On 23 Jun 2003, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: a meeting @ linuxtag would be a reason for me to go there. Until now I hadn't planned it. As we toyed with the idea of a get-together of the german apache people around christmas last year (gee, another six months gone?), this would be a nice thing to have/do. Anyone else interested? ... According to the organizing association, LinuxTag is Europe's Number 1 Event for Linux, Open-Source and Free Software. It is accompanied by a conference/congress with plenty of [2]lectures, workshops and even a 'coding [3]marathon'. And the best of all: it's [4]free! Just a [5]preregisteration is required... For linux tag it is most certainly too late - but given that we do not have a European/Asian conference planned anytime soon - I could easily see a group of coordinated German Apache members working with something like LinuxTag to have a german mini apache conference tacked on the end. And even borrow the apache logo/pr/name/etc for such. Dw -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire --- Quote of the week: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The cash of our lives / Dvorak
So we get James _and_ Subversion brought into production for the ASF on the same day? ;-) SCNR Henning On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 21:12, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Moving and re-naming files in an ssh terminal session is not crazily graphical nor easy enough for a 4 year old, but I bet there are enough people in Apache who can do it without sweating that it is, IMO, a poor excuse for throwing away useful information. Bah. ObPlug Use Subversion. /ObPlug Only if it is ready for the ASF to replace CVS. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SVN (was: RE: The cash of our lives / Dvorak)
I'm all +1 on moving our repositories forward, but I've got used to some of the nice tools surrounding SVN that I don't want to miss. And then there is the question of things like maven supporting SVN just as well as CVS. For bk there is some sort of CVS compatible read-only view into the repository. Is this possible for SVN, too? Regards Henning On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 10:16, Sander Striker wrote: From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:00 AM Greg Stein wrote, On 10/06/2003 21.01: ObPlug Use Subversion. /ObPlug :-) Cry4Help Release the baby! /Cry4Help ;-) Once Karl has finished up the branch/tag support in cvs2svn we can do some experimenting with converting cvs repositories. This is the major obstacle, the price of not being able to look at history, unless going back to some cvs graveyard, when moving to svn at this point in time. Hence the wait for cvs2svn to be finished. And then there is the community backing. Each project has to have enough people wanting to move away from cvs, over to subversion. I haven't done any polling, but I've a hunch that it won't be an objectionless transition for all. Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache Wiki defaced
The current homepage of the Apache Wiki (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi) easily qualifies as one of the more disgusting pages that I had the misfortune to see this year. While it would be nice to change it back to a more Apache-Like content, this opens the question of leaving the door open with no lock really works in the long run or if we must live with wiki terrorists. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Wiki defaced
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 10:40, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Fixed. Someone beat me to it by a few minutes, and then I fixed up the formatting. If you should see something like this again, the easy thing is to view the most recent good version, click to edit, and then just save. this opens the question of leaving the door open with no lock really works in the long run or if we must live with wiki terrorists. The wiki theory is that it is so easy to repair vandalism that the immature cretins basically lose interest in their juvenile activities. For more discourse on the subject, see: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SocialAcceptabilityOfWikiVandalism Hi, while I basically agree with you on the Wiki point of view, the question (at least to me) remains, whether the Apache Wiki is an experiment in communication or a tool for documentation. Imagine someone trying to demonstrate the power of the community supporting an Apache project in public by showing that there is a community supported Wiki site with contains many answers. Imagine that someone calling up the page while doing a presentation in public... Imagine a developer sending a potential user or developer to the Wiki for more information. Imagine someone competing with an Community based Apache project, knowing that there is an important/interesting talk or presentation about it and changing the wiki contents before or during (!) the talk. [1] To most people, events like the defacing of the main page is an annoyance. But if we want to promote the wiki as a resource of valuable information to users, IMHO this could be damaging for the credibility of the projects. Regards Henning [1] Sounds paranoid? Well, judge for yourself: At least one large Software Company has been reported to pay PR agencies to place positive stories about their products / negative stories about competing products as user reports in the public discussion groups on some well recognized news sites here in Germany (Heise Ticker). --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Wiki defaced
If you don't have any PKI infrastructure yet and just aim for a give me some certificates approach that doesn't really need to have strong security needs, you might want to check out TinyCA (http://tinyca.sm-zone.net/) which is a really nice, easy to use and handy CA tool. It needs OpenSSL and perl-Tk. I use it for all my self-rolled certificates all the time. It is really only one program which acts as a wrapper around openssl. Regards Henning On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 20:00, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: Noel wrote: My own opinion is that we could require end users to register, just as they have to register for a mailing list. The registration process would e-mail a unique SSL cert to install into a browser. With that SSL cert in place, users can update the Wiki. Without it, they are read-only. Noel - if you need a hand with the cert creation/download/etc. code - do let me know; I'd be happy to donate some time and code which is otherwise just gatehring bitrot. Dw - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource
Uhh, Licensing discussion breaks out on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Film at Eleven. Everything in this article is old news, rehashed many times to death in public places like LKML or /. There is not a single new word in it. So please let it rest. It is IMHO freedom when every software author can choose the license that he wants for the code that he wrote. If people want GPL, fine. If they want BSD, fine with me, too. If they want to make money from their closed source stuff, well, go ahead. We all must eat. Put please keep this out of lists like this. I'd say that most people are sick and tired to hear the same old arguments rehashed over and over again by people with too much emotions and ideology and no idea that all their arguments have been discussed over and over again since at least ten years. I'm still waiting for the day when anyone will throw a _new_ angle into this discussion. The last somewhat new angle that I percepted was the table dancing license from Microsoft AKA shared source (You can watch it but you must not touch it. Unless you bring a big wad of cash). Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 20:12, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: http://www.freewebs.com/sepero/index.html The author says: Notice: Please do not waste your time reading this if you care nothing about the promotion of OSS and it's community! This document is for the advancement of OSS, not just the contribution to it. If after reading this, you still consider BSD more beneficial to OSS than GNU, please have at least READ their software licenses before contacting me. *sigh* -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How BSD hurts OpenSource
On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 22:24, Noel J. Bergman wrote: What is certainly somewhat 'amusing' to us, in the same way Iraq's minister of information's statements were 'amusing', aren't exactly veiled in mystery. Well now ... that's certainly a unique view of Richard Stallman. :-) Comical Dick? Maybe we can get a talking puppet of this, too. SCNR (I'll go back to my dark corner now...) Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource
On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 09:35, David N. Welton wrote: Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the concept of the GPL is clever, and the idea of 'not getting ripped off' appeals to people. From the other side of things, GPL'ed libraries have also been a Free Software Business success story (for example: sleepycat, Qt). Nah. Sleepycat is BSD-like. The key to success here (just as with e.g. MySQL) is dual-licensing which is something you can do if you have some sort of organization that holds the sole copyright of a work. This isn't very practical if you have e.g. the Linux Kernel with hundreds of copyright owners. If you really want an in-depth view on the compatibilities of the various licensing models, look at the Linux kernel module loader and the tainting mechanism of the kernel depending on the license of a module. If you feel sick now, stick with another OS. ;-) Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry incubation
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 18:46, Jim Winstead wrote: On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 05:56:12PM +0100, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: [ edited for order ] On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:34, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: [...] So that would make up what? The fifth or the sixth Framework from the ASF? so? So nothing. It just amused me. If it is cool and good, it will prevail and other projects will start to use its components. Just as with Avalon. Competition is good. My only concern is, that we will spread a limited number of developers over too many projects. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20
Re: Tapestry incubation
So that would make up what? The fifth or the sixth Framework from the ASF? Regards Henning On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:34, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: [1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net [2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal Tapestry is a component-based web framework. Its created by a great group of guys whom I have a lot of respect for. Noel J. Bergman wrote: I'll bite ... what is Tapestry? --- Noel -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 17:54 To: community@apache.org; Jakarta General List; general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Tapestry incubation no-connotation requestedaction=subscribe, ignore Please subscribe to general@incubator.apache.org if you are interested in participating in the Tapestry incubation process. Thank you, Andy /no-connotation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20
Re: Apache People in Germany? (was: RE: @apache web pages)
Ok, we might want to pool the locations and find a spot in the middle. :-) So far we have Karlsruhe, Aalen and I'm located in Buckenhof which is for all useful purposes identical to Erlangen. Regards Henning On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 13:33, Erik Abele wrote: Hi Henning, yeah, Munich or any other big city in the southern german area would be great. btw, what about a 'german division meeting'. I'm from Aalen (100km east of Stuttgart, 200km north of Munich) and would like to meet some other Apache fellows from germany...perhaps we can arrange something...perhaps even on a regular basis? -- Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] INTERMETA - Gesellschaft für Mehrwertdienste mbH
Re: @apache web pages
Hi, we could point people.apache.org there and make http://people.apache.org/~committer_name Regards Henning On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 01:05, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: someone (andy?) started a trend of setting up personal web pages at cvs.apache.org (that being where all committers have accounts) and i'd like to refresh the idea in everyone's mind 'cuz i think it's a good one; help us get familiar with each other a bit, maybe. just put something in cvs.apache.org:$HOME/public_html .. from looking at it, there are almost 60 people who have at least set up the directory, if not put useful stuff in it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20
