[Computer-go] Cross thoughts from space trajectory design

Hello, in the last few weeks I was much engaged in a "Global Trajectory OPtimization Competition", which is organized every 20 months or so. The task (to be solved within 4 weeks) was to design space trajectories who deorbited 123 pieces of space debris from earth orbits. Typically a mission

Re: [Computer-go] It is official.We will see more of Alphago!

Hi Magnus, thanks for the link. From my point of view the following part in the program will be very interesting: > “Pair Go” — A game where one Chinese pro will play > against another...except they will both have their own > AlphaGo teammate, alternating moves, to take the concept > of

Re: [Computer-go] Zen and FineArt won

Dear Hiroshi, thank you very much for providing sgf of the two games. Best regards, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Different Rules

Dear Hideki, thanks for all your open comments here in the mailing list in the last few days. I know that these days (with the losses) are really hard bread for the Zen team. But "in the end" you will emerge from the lessons stronger than anytime before. > >When would be possible to buy a new

[Computer-go] Different Rules

Hi, now we see how clever the DeepMind team was (and likely still is). In both matches (against Fan Hui and Lee Sedol) Chinese rules were applied. Some years ago I performed experiments with Monte Carlo search in special non-zero sum games (with

[Computer-go] What a week ...

* Will AlphaGo accept the challenge by FineArt? (or Google the one by 10Cent, respectively ?) * Will DeepZenGo win the World Championships, starting right now? * Will some Robin Good rise from the underwoods to save humanity's honour? * Which of the currently three top bots will show up in

Re: [Computer-go] UEC cup 1st day result

Hello, in Germany's computer go forum, Tom (alias Bonobo) has posted two Youtube links for games of the current UEC Cup: FineArt vs. DeepZenGo: https://youtu.be/4uVaAVRhJxg CrazyStone vs. FineArt: https://youtu.be/DwwseY2R_Oc Cheers, Ingo. ___

Re: [Computer-go] UEC cup 1st day result

Hi Darren, thank you for the info. So, is "Fine Art" the long-awaited Chinese dark rider which had been announced already for the end of 2016? Regards, Ingo. > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. März 2017 um 20:02 Uhr > Von: "Darren Cook" > > > Can you say something more on "Fine

[Computer-go] Question: Time Table World Championships

Hi, from March 21 to 23, the Go World Championships will take place: one human participant each from Japan, South-Korea and China PLUS bot Deep Zen. Does someone know already details on the time table and the online venues where the games are transmitted or mirrored? Thx in advance, Ingo.

[Computer-go] New AMD processors

Hi, AMD has published a new (fast and cool) processor, the Ryzen. Did some go programmers already collect experiences with it? Do they combine well with GPUs? Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

[Computer-go] Side events at EGC 2017

Hello, I have been asked by Pawel Morawiecki, if there will be interesting side events in the European Go Congress 2017. > I plan to come for EGC for 5 days or so. But i don't know which > week should i choose. Are there any attractive side events ? > I know that the movie "Surrounding game" is

[Computer-go] UEC wild cards?

Dear UEC organizers, GCP wrote (on behalf of Leela): > I did not register for the UEC Cup. I seem to be in good company there, > sadly. do you have a few wild cards for strong late entries? Best regards, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list

[Computer-go] Interesting Positions at Leiden University

Hi, Prof. Aske Plaat from Leiden Unviersity informed me that are five (!) free assistant professor positions in his department: in various topics, ranging from Correctness, to Computational creativity, to Programming, to Deep Learning, to High Performance Computing, and to Security. He added: >

Re: [Computer-go] Leela Superstar!

Hi, the rank graph of LeelaX on KGS looks impressive: http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6048.0;attach=5658;image Of course, its shape will be more "gnubbled" after a few days. Cheers, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list

[Computer-go] Leela Superstar!

Hi Gian-Carlo, congratulations to your progress withLeela bot, and many thanks for letting it play on KGS and many thanks for providing the free download of Leela 0.9.0 via https://sjeng.org/leela.html and many thanks for all the nice analysis features! Hope to see Leela participating in the the

Re: [Computer-go] ADMIN: Lists Have Moved

uter-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] ADMIN: Lists Have Moved > > Strangely enougth I received all the said messages > > > Le 23/01/2017 à 06:20, "Ingo Althöfer" a écrit : > > ... and also not my own one from 2 minutes ago. > > I can only look it up in t

Re: [Computer-go] ADMIN: Lists Have Moved

... and also not my own one from 2 minutes ago. I can only look it up in the archives. Strange. Ingo. > Gesendet: Montag, 23. Januar 2017 um 02:37 Uhr > Von: computer...@roveg.org > An: computer-go@computer-go.org, wvgc...@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] ADMIN: Lists Have Moved > >

Re: [Computer-go] ADMIN: Lists Have Moved

Hi Michael, thanks for yoour work. I observed one thing: I received the message by Thomas Rohde, but not the one by Robert Jasiek, not even in the spam list. Ingo. > Gesendet: Montag, 23. Januar 2017 um 02:37 Uhr > Von: computer...@roveg.org > An: computer-go@computer-go.org,

[Computer-go] Yoon Young Sun (9p) on codecentric game

Hello in the round, Yoon Young Sun (9p; living in Hamburg) has commented round 3 of the codecentric Challenge 2016 (between DeepZen (Black) and Lukas Kraemer (White)) in Germany's Go magazine (DGoZ, issue 06/2016, pp.42-45). At the end sYoon makes some general comments on DeepZen (translated to

[Computer-go] ICGA Journal with new Steam

Hello everybody, as some of you know, I am Vice President of the ICGA (= International Computer Games Association). After a very long and successful period (over 30 years) with Prof. Dr. Jaap van den Herik as Chief Editor, now a new team will steer the Journal. The official statement of the ICGA

Re: [Computer-go] Reminder: Handicap-29 Prize

ething with the same engine but which speaks GTP?   Álvaro.           On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:32 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de[mailto:3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de]> wrote: Like in every year, the reminder on my Handicap-29 prize: http://www.althofer.de/handicap-29-prize.html[

[Computer-go] Reminder: Handicap-29 Prize

Like in every year, the reminder on my Handicap-29 prize: http://www.althofer.de/handicap-29-prize.html I think, AlphaGo in its current form would not have a chance to cash in ;-) Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

[Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

Hi Richard,   > ... can somebody please update me (us?) a > little on these 60 games. How strong were > the opponents? they were all strong pro players. Ke Jie (humanity's last hope in the eyes of several go players) also played three of the games. Thinking times were small base times plus

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello guys, what shall I say. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. Januar 2017 um 16:11 Uhr > Von: Janzert <janz...@janzert.com> > ... > On 1/2/2017 7:05 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > Hello Paweł, ... > Looks like we have an official answer in the affirmative >

Re: [Computer-go] ADMIN: Maintenance ?!?!

Please, no maintenance right now. The days in computer go are just so hot. The team of "Master" offered 14,000 Dollars for any being beating the bot on January 02 or 03. We need the possibility to discuss this topic in realtime. Thx, ingo. ___

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello Yamato, > ... This comment was about GoBeta last April. > > If "Master" (or something) is AlphaGo, he should have a strong reason > not to use the name AlphaGo. So probably Aja cannot answer this, because > he does not lie. > > By the way, I found this tweet interesting :) >

[Computer-go] Short statement by Aja Huang

This screenshot was just posted in German's computer go forum: https://scontent.fbkk5-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15823610_206422803154077_4501261067334984925_n.jpg?oh=1dd6e8324085c35ed14d9ae1176e33ec=591E1F54 Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list

[Computer-go] Fw: Re: Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hi Paweł, a good collection of arguments and thoughts, thank you. > I'd put all my money it's AlphaGo... How much money do you have? You may answer in private mail, if appropriate. Ingo. PS. I have designed a LEGO scene on Frisbee Go:

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello Paweł, > There have been another 8 games on Foxwq server:  > ... > Totally, 38-0. It looks like a kind, indirect (yet powerful), message > from DeepMind to Chinese Go Association: "Please, let us try a real > challenge, like 3-handicap games, it does not really make much sense > to play

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello, here is a link to the German Computer Go forum: http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?topic=6381.msg208264#msg208264 The grey box shows the list of 30 games played by the "Master bot. All these games were won by the bot! Ingo. ___ Computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Tsumego collections

Hello, when you ae looking for high calibre samples, ask Thomas Wolf. Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Samstag, 31. Dezember 2016 um 16:43 Uhr > Von: "Andreas Persson" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] Tsumego collections > > Happy New Year all, > > I am

Re: [Computer-go] Photo of an AlphaGo Girl

click here! http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6381.0;attach=5571;image Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello in the round, one thousand years ago, the was a cry of terror: The Mongols are coming! Now it seems we have entered a new age: The AlphaGols are coming! Not only from Britain, not only from Google, not only from Japan (Zen). But also from China! Look here (thx to German Bonobo for making

[Computer-go] NATURE: Top 10 people 2016

Hi, NATURE published a list of top 10 people in science 2016: http://www.nature.com/news/nature-s-10-1.21157 Demis Hassabis, manager of the AlphaGo team, is in the list. Congratulations! Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

[Computer-go] Go Tournament with hinteresting rules

Hi, this is info on a human-human go tournament, but with interesting scoring. Wins by 40 or more points (or by resignation) give score 100, Win by 39 gives score 99 Win by 38 gives score 98 ... Win by 1 gives score 60. Loss by 40 or more gives score 0, Loss by 39 gives score 1 ... Loss by 1

Re: [Computer-go] Poll: Scientific Breakthrough of the Year 2016

Hi Aja, > Thanks Ingo. You are welcome. > Please vote for AlphaGo. :) Indeed, that is one of the interesting options. But, independently of voting, it is interesting to read through the (short) descriptions of all 15 proposals. Within 5-7 minutes you will learn a lot - and are well equipped

[Computer-go] Poll: Scientific Breakthrough of the Year 2016

Hi, I just learned that the magazine "Science" is making a poll on "Scientific Breakthrough of the Year 2016". Voters may chose amongst 15 proposals. Voting closes on December 04. Currently the following 5 subjects have top votes. (1) Human embryos in a disc 17 % (2) Ripples in space time 15 %

Re: [Computer-go] World Go Championship

Hi Hideki, that sounds very interesting. > Nihon Kiin created a new Go tournament, "World Go Championship", which > will be held in March 21st to 23rd, in Osaka, Japan. > > Top three professional players from Japan, China and Korea and one > Computer Go program will attend. Big questions:

Re: [Computer-go] Deep Zen vs Cho Chikun -- Round 1

Hi all, the match was in German TV (ZDF) today, in an 8 second snipet. It included a scene from the press conference: http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6322.0;attach=5391;image I recognise Cho Chikun in the center and Hideki Kato, second from left. Who are the other

[Computer-go] [offtopic]: German English

Hi Richard,   > ... I'm intrigued by the expression "pressing thumbs". I imagine > it's close to our "crossing fingers". it is indeed the same. And when we are just exchanging differences in languages; here is the English translation of a short German text which I designed a few days ago. Did I

Re: [Computer-go] Deep Zen vs Cho Chikun -- Round 1

Hi Erik, > ... The SGF file you sent is malformed (in this case it's only a > minor issue for the date field, but some sgf viewers reject it). > > Do you know which program was used to create it? (the AP property > suggests Many Faces, but it also containes the non-standard MULTIGOGM > property

[Computer-go] Deep Zen vs Cho Chikun -- Round 1

Hi, round 1 between Deep Zen and Cho Chikun is over. It was an interesting game, in a rather broad sense. Team Deep Zen resigned after move 223. sgf is appended. Round 2 is to start on Sunday, 05:00 a.m. Central Europian time. Ingo (pressing thumbs for Zen). Round1-Deepzen-ChoChiHun.sgf

[Computer-go] Zen vs Cho Chikun

Hi everybody, there was a press conference by the Zen team, announcing a three games match between Zen and human pro hero Cho Chiukum with games to be played on November 19, 20, and 23. Unfortunately for me, the announcement was in Japanese language which I do not understand. For me (and likely

[Computer-go] codecentric Challenge 2016: Round 4

Hi all, today Roun 4 of the codecentric Challenge 2016 will be played. Combattants are on human side Lukas Kraemer (German Champion 2013-2015), and on computer side Zen19X, the currently best Zen version without graphic cards. Zen is leading by 2-1. The event format is "best of 5". So, Zen has

[Computer-go] codecentric Challenge 2016: Round 2

Hello everybody, yesterday the second round of the codecentric Challenge was played in the KGS computer room. It was a heavy battle. In the beginning, Zen seemed to have a clear advantage. But then lots of Ko fights (all over the board) popped up - and spectators were partly more than unsure if

Re: [Computer-go] KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments

Hi Nick, thanks for the announcement.   > KGS has announced that it will be running, for the first time, > a "mixed" tournament where both humans and bots can play on > the same terms.  This will be held on Saturday and Sunday, > September 17th/18th.   Will Centaurs be allowed? I.e., humans

Re: [Computer-go] codecentric Challenge 2016: Result of game 1

Hi Nick, "Nick Wedd" : > The large peak at the left of each graph, around 85 > to the left of the main peak, must show the outcomes > if White kills Black's O16 group.  Right. > But a kyu-player can see that that group is  > unconditionally alive: it has an eye at K19,

Re: [Computer-go] Zen19X and/vs Zen19K

Hi Petr, Hideki gave already a compact explanation. Let me tell you another few lines. > Silly question - why not? (Assuming this seems to be the strongest Zen > so far.) Your question is not silly at all, and a full answer would be quite complicated. Currently there are two developZen19Xment

Re: [Computer-go] codecentric Challenge 2016: Pre-match Interviews

Hi, the countdown fore the codecnetric Challenge is ticking. The first game will start within 45 minutes. Dr. Georg Snatzke has conducted interviews with the actors. You can find their very interesting answers and comments here:

[Computer-go] Zen19K: a KGS-9-dan in the making

Hi, the cooperation of the Zen team and Dwango provides first fat harvest: Zen19K is on the path to become the first bot with a 9-dan rating on KGS: http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=zen19k Observe: this is not the Zen that will play against Luks Kraemer in the codecentric Challenge

[Computer-go] codecentric Challenge 2016

Hello, in the lasst two years best-of-5 matches were played between a strong human (FJ Dickhut, German 6-dan) and strong bots (CrazyStone in 2014, Zen in 2015). This Fall will see the next edition: Lukas Kraemer (6-dan) - Zen Lukas has won the German Championships in 2013, 2014, and 2015. Zen

Re: [Computer-go] OGS Alan Turing Main Title Tournament 2016

Hello, thanks for the link. I expect this to become the first time where either a computer or a computer-assisted human will win the event. Ingo.     Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2016 um 09:50 Uhr Von: "SR G" An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] OGS

Re: [Computer-go] For those of us who play both Go and Pokemon Go...

Thx, David, for the link. In the German Go forum we discuss already for several days about cross-connections betwenn P-Go and Go and possible ways to exploit the P-Go hype for "our" game. Ingo.    Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 um 07:10 Uhr Von: "David Fotland" An: 

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Hello everybody, thanks to Nick for organozing the tournaments and for providung the reports. Thanks to the top scorers Zen and Aya for participation and for showing their strong Go. Thanks also to ManyFaces and Leela for participating! Eight years ago both were the surprise winners in the

Re: [Computer-go] Japanese Go Congress: Talk on AlphaGo

Here are two photos, provided by Marc Oliver. Photo 1 is from the Google talk. Speaker is Lucas Becker. http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6158.0;attach=5047;image Photo 2 http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6158.0;attach=5049;image From left to

[Computer-go] Japanese Go Congress: Talk on AlphaGo

Hi, Prof. Marc Oliver Rieger from Trier University (Germany) is a participant in the Japanese Go Congress (July 15-18, 2016) in Takarazuka. In Germany's computer Go forum he gave some first impressions from the talk given by a Google developer of AlphaGo (including the question & answer session):

Re: [Computer-go] Video of Aja Huang's presentation

Hi Igor, thx a lot. Sorry for my naivity with the original site. Here at Jena University we receive 2 GBytes per second - so no delay at all.   Ingo. PS. Igor, another question: Will your program start in the computer tournament at the European Go Congress in St. Petersberg?   Gesendet: 

[Computer-go] Results 9x9 and 13x13 at Computer Olympiad

Hi, in Leiden (NL), the computer Go competitions on 9x9- and 13x13 boards have taken place. In both competitions, Abakus (by Tobias Graf) won Gold ahead of Zen and CGI. Here is a photo of Tobias Graf, including also Victor Allis (solver of "Connect 4" back in 1988) and John Tromp (known from

Re: [Computer-go] Aja presentation

Hi Detlef, "Detlef Schmicker" > Seriously, this was all on game 4? Unfortunately, yes. Good news: Aja said that future plans for AlphaGo are under discussion and that there will be something. Cheers, Ingo. *** Info: 9x9 in the

Re: [Computer-go] Aja presentation

Hi, the organizers taped it on video. I will let you know as soon as I learn where it is put online. The event was: 10 minutes honorings 35 minutes presentation by Aja 20 minutes questions and answers The japanese "Computer Go Forum", presented by Hideki Kato, awarded the Alpha Go team an

Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating

Hi Detlef, 2 cent from an outsider: "Detlef Schmicker" > ... I am still fighting with resigning in the case of > value-network and playouts disagree, ... Might such positions be interesting starting points when looking for solutions for the discrepancies? In general,

[Computer-go] Timetable "Computers and Games 2016"

Hi, the timetable for the conference "Computers and Games 2016" in Leiden (NL) is online now. COnference days are June 29 - July 01. https://www.conftool.net/cg2016/index.php?page=browseSessions=yes=yes=show At least 8 of the talks (including the keynote presentation by Aja Huang) are directly

Re: [Computer-go] Keynote Lecture by Aja Huang

iginal Message- > > From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On > > Behalf Of "Ingo Althöfer" > > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:36 AM > > To: computer-go@computer-go.org > > Subject: [Computer-go] Keynote Lecture by Aja Huang >

[Computer-go] KGS 8-dan and strong opponents

Hi, for the first time there is a bot with "stable" 8-dan rank on KGS: Zen19A, an alternative Zen account. http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=zen19a Congratulations to the Zen team! And an observation: Already several games against human players with 8-dan or 9-dan rank have been

[Computer-go] Offtopic: "Spam" by ResearchGate.net

Hello all, I am writing this because others here may have made similar experiences and found a solution. Some years ago I subscribed to a service by ResearchGate.net . They claim to offer the opportunity to share information about scientific publications ... After some months I realized that the

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Hi Nick, thanks for organizing the tournament, and also for quick delivery of your report. It seems that at the moment Zen is out of reach for all other bots (except AlphaGo) - not only those in the tournament. Zen's newest KGS-account Zen19A (starting on June 19, 2016) is playing on 8-dan

[Computer-go] Keynote Lecture by Aja Huang

Hello, the ICGA is proud to annouce a special talk by Aja Huang during the Computer Olympiad and "Computer Games" conference in Leiden (NL). Computer and Games 2016 Conference Keynote Lecture June 29, 2016: 14.00-15.00 h. Location: Leiden University, room 1 of the Gorlaeus Building

Re: [Computer-go] DarkForest is open-source now.

Hello, thanks to Yuangdong for the publication which will definitely help our scene to make progress. Von: "Petr Baudis" > My personal opinion is that it's fine: > ... > > Let's not let this discussion overshadow the fact that we have the new > strongest open source bot!

Re: [Computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: 9x9

Hi Nick, you gave an invalid link. The links are Formal division: http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1045   Open division: http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1046 Cheers, Ingo. ** Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. Juni 2016 um 22:19 Uhr Von: "Nick Wedd" An: 

Re: [Computer-go] Leela 0.6.2, OpenCL support, including GTP engines

Wow! What a wondeful summer present. And so simple to install under Windows... For all who do not know: LeelaBot is active on KGS, with a very stable 3-dan rating: http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=leelabot And it has an analysis mode (showing best move, %, and principal line).

[Computer-go] AlphaGo to play against Ke Jie

Hi, during the amateur World Championships in Wuxi the new president of the international Go Association, Yang Jun'an, announced that Chinese young star Ke Jie will play against AlphaGo. No fixed date was announced, yet. Does someone here know more details? Ingo.

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi David, "David Ongaro" > ... I guess you already have to be a quite strong player in > order to see these nuggets in a sea of weaker moves... * likely we are speaking about different things. By "analysis" I mainly mean analysis of own games, not analysis of other

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi, "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" > On 31-05-16 22:56, David Ongaro wrote: > > I might overestimating it, but on the other hand I guess a Professor > > like Rémi has much more obligations other then writing Go Software... > > I don't really want to answer in Remi's place, but I think

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Petr, "Petr Baudis" > (I also think that it's algorithmically a lot more complicated to build > these analysis tools for Go, for example adding a good tsumego solver to > your program. It is not necessary to wait for a strong tsumego solver before spreading a nice analysis

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Petri,   "Petri Pitkanen" > ... I do doubt if strong go programs give too much for analysis. > Even if they are 1p and can show you a better move it is not worth > much for a human when there is no reasoning available how to zoom > into that move. that is just

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Petr, "Petr Baudis" > > ... It is enough that the [CHESS] program is tactically strong. > > But strong Go programs are traditionally strategically strong, but > tactically *weak*. "tactical" was meant for Chess. In Go, players may use "the other strengths" of go programs.

Re: [Computer-go] Chinese AI challenge to AlphaGo

"Marco Scheurer" > Does anybody have any recent information about this project, or know how to > get in touch with this team? Their KGS Account (GoBeta) was last active on April 27. https://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=gobeta=2016=4 I have a contact address but am not

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Gian-Carlo, "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" <g...@sjeng.org> > On 29/05/2016 13:48, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > ... ChessBase was founded in 1985 ... > > Very early Garry Kasparov (World Champion in those days, 1986) > > got involved and

[Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi all, in the last few weeks I had moments where I did not feel well because of deficiencies of commercial go bots. I am in particular sensible (you may also say "spoiled") because I know how much better things were (and are) in the Chess world. In particular, I use game playing software for

Re: [Computer-go] Crazystone Interface and Analysis

Hi, "Johannes Laire" > The 2013 version is quite usable in wine, and the screenshots of the > new version look exactly the same so I would expect it to work as > well. maybe the following bit of information helps. I do not have Wine, but I own both the 2013 and the 2016

[Computer-go] codecentric Challenge 2016

Hi, like in the years before, also in Fall 2016 a codecentric Challenge (best-of-5 match) between a strong Go bot and a top German player will take place. Our plan is to invite the gold medal winner of the 19x19 Computer Olympiad (to take place in Leiden in early July) for this event. So, one

Re: [Computer-go] Selfplay Phenomena

Hi Gian-Carlo, > Unsurprisingly, self-play favors extreme selectivity, but this does not > hold against other opponents. is this just your personal experience, or are there systematic experiments on this? Is it true "only" for MCTS (and vairants) or also for game tree search in chess? Ingo.

[Computer-go] Question on TPU hardware

I have a question (maybe to Aja): Concerning the TPU hardware used in AlphaGo, how long will it take until that system (all together, including Go software) will be available for 20,000 Euro or less? Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Hi Gian-Carlo, I have thought carefully about your question on determinning handicaps properly. It seems you are very right with your doubts > The first obvious question is then: how will you determine the handicaps? A naive approach would be to take the KGS ranks of the bots. But even for

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Hi Nick, thanks for organizing the tournament and also for the report. I found one small inconsistency: You write that Imrsel had connection problems in round 2 against matilda. But in round 2, imrsel had been paired with abakus, according to the table.  

[Computer-go] COmputer Olympiads 2016 and 2011

Hello everybody, (i) This year the Computer Olympiad takes place in Leiden (NL), from June 27 to July 03. The deadline for participation is approaching quickly: participants have to register until May 15 (otherwise their fees double). More info here: http://icga.leidenuniv.nl/ (ii) Five years

[Computer-go] Analysis of the match between Lee Sedol and AlphaGo

Hello, an analysis in several portions may be found in the following blog: http://deeplearningskysthelimit.blogspot.de/ Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

Hi Aja, sorry for this. Of course I meant the bot "Aya". It seems, I will never learn it consistently. Somehow my neural net has a blur at "j" and "y".   > Thanks Ingo for listing me with two strong Go programs. > I think I can give GnuGo 9 stones on 19x19 board. :)   Hmm, not 10 ? But

[Computer-go] Claude Shannon and an empty triangle

Hi all, exactly 100 years before today Claude Shannon was born. He is the father of computer chess, with his seminal paper from 1950 in the "Philosophical Magazine". Google honors him (just today) with a special doodle in their search engine: Claude juggling with the digits 1 and 0 and 0.

Re: [Computer-go] US Go Congress 2016 "Computer Go Afternoon" invitation

Hello all, > Google DeepMind team members Aja Huang 7d and Hui Fan 2P > have just confirmed that they’ll attend this year’s US Go > Congress in Boston... I just understood (at least I believe so) why Fan Hui is going to the US Congress (in Boston) in summer and not to the European Congress in

Re: [Computer-go] Is Go group status recognition by CNN possible?

Hi Erik, >> Likely it is almost impossible for neural nets of "moderate" size >> to identify life/death stati of a groups. > > No. Neural nets (even shallow ones like we used over a decade ago) > are quite capable to identify life/death. Sure you can construct  > pathological examples that in

Re: [Computer-go] Is Go group status recognition by CNN possible?

Likely it is almost impossible for neural nets of "moderate" size to identify life/death stati of a groups. One difficult example (in the spirit of old Minsky/Papert who asked perceptrons to identify the connectivity status of a "picture") might be the following X-"around the board"-group which

Re: [Computer-go] Lee Sedol's reviews on AlphaGo games

Oliver, my new friend! Thanks a lot for the link. Very interesting photos - and also the long list of (49) comments is interesting. Thanks again, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] Lee Sedol's reviews on AlphaGo games

Hi Aja, thanks for the reply.   > David Silver did show AlphaGo's value graph of game 1 in his talk in UCL. Was that the talk on March 24? A pity, that I missed it... > AlphaGo's value at move 102 was higher than 60%. I'm not allowed to share the > graph now > but I hope I have answered your

Re: [Computer-go] US Go Congress 2016 "Computer Go Afternoon" invitation

Hi Michael, thanks for the very interesting information!   >>> We already have confirmed attendance from the AlphaGo team. >> >> * Who from the AlphaGo tram intends to come to the US Go Congress? > > > This from the ejournal, minus the photo: > Google DeepMind team members Aja Huang 7d and Hui

Re: [Computer-go] US Go Congress 2016 "Computer Go Afternoon" invitation

Hello Chun Sun,   > We already have confirmed attendance from the AlphaGo team. one question out of interest: * Who from the AlphaGo tram intends to come to the US Go Congress? * Will they have a demo version of AlphaGo with them? > ... We are working on confirming attendance with some other

Re: [Computer-go] Operators for Frisbee Go Simulation

Hi Goncalo, > accuracy p > komi 0.5 0.2 > 7.5 31% 22% > 3.5 43% 36% > 1.5 48% 45% > 1.0 49% 47% > 0.5 51% 49% > 0.0 52% 51% Interesting. Concerning your bot in "normal" 9x9-Go: Which win rates do you get there for different komi values? Ingo.

Re: [Computer-go] Operators for Frisbee Go Simulation

Hi Goncalo, > I also had another restriction in my program that I forgot to mention: > 6. Both players must be using the same probability p. this will be the case in Leiden. > In testing I've also noted that a komi of 7.0 or 7.5 is no longer > reasonable in Frisbee Go... Tell us more. In

Re: [Computer-go] Operators for Frisbee Go Simulation

> ... This is a very minimal reduction in code complexity. > Instead of the move generator having to consider all legal plays plus > their neighbours, > this rule allows it just to consider the former. Routines for adding > the set of neighbours > to a point set are already quite common in Go

Re: [Computer-go] Lee Sedol's reviews on AlphaGo games

Hi Aja,   >> ... i think many people really waiting for any news/plans for AlphaGo. >> Unfortunately, nothing has been given :-( > > Hi Paweł, we are still discussing and deciding the next steps of AlphaGo. > Thank you for the patience.   I am one of those who are waiting eagerly for your

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