Re: [CTRL] Fidel talks of Worldwide Apartheid
I have a general view that anyone that the Vatican/Nazi/CIA cabal want to, or attempted to assassinate may possibly have some moral worth - just personal intuition - I can't cite credible, authoritative references at this point in time - but am working on it (ggg) "Wardrobe" ROTFL!!! - Original Message - From: "Jeff Russo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fidel talks of Worldwide Apartheid I've seen that number (or something close to it) for Castro bumping around for a few years now. Not sure where it ultimately came from. It seems, with the government controlling so much crap in Cuba, that you could include all sorts of things in a measure of Castro's wealth. He may have that much money just by what he's saved on wardrobe costs the last 41 years. --- nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Fidel castro is one of the richest men on earth just beating the David Rockerfeller $4.5bn. nessie: Which issue? What was Forbes' source? = Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mindspring.com/~sevnout - "A paranoid-schizophrenic is a guy who just found out what's going on" -- William S. Burroughs __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Annunaki Explained - REALLY?
Well I would not put too much credence in anything Ms Acharya has to dissect - her own fantasies are so riddled with inaccuracies they cross the reality border into absurdity. In particular -I recall having read her spin on the "Origins of Christianity". You only need to examine her website for glimpse of the outdated works that are relied on for her dis-information. Some of the sceptical authors she carelessly cites embarrass even today's sceptics themselves. She is not interested in facts or truth, but simply to superimpose her own miasmic version of history upon her devotees and readers. Primary sources are rarely cited, and her spin is taken form second and third hand interpretations of other secondary works. Her attempt at linking Christ with pagan so-called "saviours" is particularly telling - as most of the pagan myths were not even documented until after the time of Christ. If I were to make an analogy - perhaps - a bit like the Vatican, say, taking Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa, affix a glass frame around the artwork with a golden halo painted on the glass to surround the "Mona Lisa" head and then call it the "Madonna." Pretty shonky in my opinion. Furthermore, these swamis of self-ordained Gnosis have the most bizarre and credulous interpretations of the Bible. Particularly in the manner by which they perform their quixotic word jumbles - using plays on words as "proof" for their silly conspiracy theories and tales. In like manner - we could take say the passage from the bibles book called "Acts" where it sates that the apostles were "of one accord" and conclude that early Christianity possessed motor cars and were riding around in Honda cars! Or, perhaps we could suggest that because Joseph "SERVED in Pharaohs COURT" that the ancient Egyptians were the world's first Tennis players!!! It seems the axiom wisdom of the dictum "a text without the context is a pretext" is entirely lost on these just-make-it-fit Scrabblites. If you want to genuinely and seriously study history, in the case below Sumerian, I suggest you read it from a reputable HISTORIAN, not a journalist guru with an axe to grind, or wishing to super-impose a particular world-view upon the facts. Always check PRIMARY sources, and do NOT rely on just their mere hearsay - if it twaddles with phrases like "new" "secret" "hidden" "conspiracy" "revelations" "mysteries" "amazing" - most likely it will be loaded with doggy-do. It's a clever sales technique that every good ad man, but also con-artist employ to influence clients, and in the latter case - the gullible. Ms Acharya's entertainment value 2/10 - scholarship . Zero! - Original Message - From: "Eagle 1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:32 PM Subject: [CTRL] Annunaki Explained In reference to an ancient post given, a reply is posted: -Original Post- Subject: Re: What About the Anunnaki? by Acharya S In my talks and writings about the Christian myth and mythology in general, I am often asked, 'What about Sitchin?' In the first place, I read a number of Sitchin's books before I came across the information concerning the Christian myth. Obviously, I was not convinced enough by Sitchin's speculations that I overlooked the research that subsequently came my way. Before I address the world of Sitchin, an economist by education and profession, let me say something about myself. I am a classically trained archaeologist, historian, mythologist and linguist, which is to say that I went to excellent schools that applied rigorous scientific methodology. In such an education, if one discovers factual information that is contradictory to what one already believes or perceives, one is compelled by honesty to abandon the earlier, erroneous model and accept the new. These are the methods by which I have continuously honed in on the history of the planet and its creatures. While it is true that some people (fewer than the masses would like to believe) needn't be specialists in a given field through standard scholastic training, it is of greater validity that someone who has spent years upon years studying an issue, subjected to criticism and feedback by way of 'tests' and 'grades,' is in the end going to be more knowledgeable in that field. For example, if you need a heart transplant, you must go to a specialist and doctor, not a plumber. On the other hand, those who are classically educated but do not display acute critical thinking will mindlessly go along with the party line, no matter how wrong it may be. Zecharia Sitchin appeals to those who have seen the flaws in the orthodox paradigm concerning human origins and the planet's history. Because of bizarre anomalies and mysteries, neither evolution nor creationism are completely adequate in themselves. In an attempt to explain these anomalies, which include weird stories or 'myths' and enormous, astonishing ruins worldwide, Zecharia
[CTRL] [MC] Silent Sound--Mass Mind Control Technology Now ACTIVE
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IUFO [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MC] Silent Sound--Mass Mind Control Technology Now ACTIVE Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:53 AM --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:24:37 -0700 From: Nicky Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:SNET: Silent Sound--Mass Mind Control Technology Now ACTIVE To: SNET [EMAIL PROTECTED], Armageddon or New Age? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SNETNEWS Mailing List 10 November 1999 11.5.99 Silent Sound--Mass Mind Control Technology Now ACTIVE URGENT!! NewsHawk® is at this very moment investigating the use of "Silent Sound" transmissions and/or related EM/RF technology applied as a mass mood/mind control operation in Northern California: apparently intended to induce (violent) psychosis in targeted subjects. Targeted subjects, in this case, would include upwards of probably two million human beings!! Experts we have spoken with believe that such mentally destabilizing signals would, naturally, most strongly and primarily affect individuals whose grip on mental/emotional equilibrium is less than solid; but EVERYONE within range of the transmissions would have distinctly negative reactions to some extent or other. This activity has been ongoing for most of 1999--with a pause of a couple of months or so during the summer (the perpetrators were obviously busy elsewhere!). These signals, primarily in the ULF (ultra-low-frequency) and ELF frequency range, have been recorded on a variety of equipment by several researchers and are in the process of being analyzed. During the many months these signals have been broadcast, they have been transmitting TWENTY-FOUR hours a day, EVERY DAY!! Indications are the ULF/ELF wave is being utilized as a "carrier' frequency exactly as outlined in the tremendously important article reprinted below. Other signals riding this carrier wave are apparently aimed at (negatively) impacting overall states of mind: yet others are transmitting specific "thoughts", "visions" and commands. This could well be going on in other regions of the U.S. as well. In fact, we at NewsHawk® believe this is almost certainly the case and is very likely a factor in the unheard-of, unprecedented spate of mass murders which have been occurring throughout the U.S. in recent years. Highly respected author Alex Constantine, one the the preeminent researchers into the covert government's MANY "mind-control" projects, specifically told NewsHawk® that "Silent Sound" transmissions were directly involved in the Jonesboro, Ark. mass school shootings in March, 1998. READ THIS! URGENT!! NewsHawk® Inc. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Mind Control With Silent Sounds And Super Computers From Bill Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11-5-99 http://www.jeffrense.com/politics5/mindcontrols.htm The mind-altering mechanism is based on a subliminal carrier technology: the Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (), sometimes called "S-quad" or "Squad". It was developed by Dr Oliver Lowery of Norcross, Georgia, and is described in US Patent #5,159,703, "Silent Subliminal Presentation System", dated October 27, 1992. The abstract for the patent reads: "A silent communications system in which non-aural carriers, in the very low or very high audio-frequency range or in the adjacent ultrasonic frequency spectrum are amplitude- or frequency-modulated with the desired intelligence and propagated acoustically or vibrationally, for inducement into the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones, or piezoelectric transducers. The modulated carriers may be transmitted directly in real time or may be conveniently recorded and stored on mechanical, magnetic, or optical media for delayed or repeated transmission to the listener." According to literature by Silent Sounds, Inc., it is now possible, using supercomputers, to analyze human emotional EEG patterns and replicate them, then store these "emotion signature clusters" on another computer and, at will, "silently induce and change the emotional state in a human being". Silent Sounds, Inc. states that it is interested only in positive emotions, but the military is not so limited. That this is a US Department of Defense project is obvious. Edward Tilton, President of Silent Sounds, Inc., says this about S-quad in a letter dated December 13, 1996: "All schematics, however, have been classified by the US Government and we are not allowed to reveal the exact details... ... we make tapes and CDs for the German Government, even the former Soviet Union countries! All with the permission of the US State Department, of course... The
[CTRL] Cuban Diplomats Fight Hand-to-Hand Combat Against Demonstrators --Rule of Law?
INSIGHT WEB EXCLUSIVE Cuban Diplomats Fight "Hand-to-Hand Combat" Against Demonstrators -- Rule of Law? 4/21/00 - By J. Michael Waller As the Justice Department crafted plans to remove Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez from his great-uncle's house by force, the State Department plotted to protect Cuban diplomats who assaulted pro-Elian demonstrators. As with the Arianne Horta story (see "The Arianne Horta Story," May 8) the national press in both Cuba and America seem oblivious to what's going on other than snapping pictures of the 6-year-old boy playing in his great uncle's front yard. Meanwhile, in Washington, the big media virtually have ignored an out-of-control melee on April 14 in which Cuban diplomats attacked and beat a small group of demonstrators supporting the Gonzalez boy. The Washington Post, among others, reported superficial details of the amazing brawl that broke out but, oddly, failed to report the full story let alone what happened and in context. And it's an amazing story. Insight has learned, based on confidential Secret Service and Metropolitan Police reports obtained by the magazine, that an officer on the scene described the unprovoked Cuban attack as "hand-to- hand combat" against women and men, alike. Moreover, statements made by U.S. government spokesmen who routinely speak of the rule of law and lambaste the "adopted" family of Elian Gonzalez have tried to gloss what only can be described as a diplomatic cover-up. Here are the ugly facts as recorded by the police and, Insight has learned, captured on secret videotapes by federal agents stationed at the scene. Small groups of nonviolent protesters had gathered in front of the Cuban mission on April 14. Then, toward early evening, a band of Cuban diplomats, alleged to have been drinking, charged across the 16th Street corridor separating the Cuban Interests Section and the demonstrators to engage in "hand-to-hand" combat with anti-Castro protesters. Screaming obscenities and yelling threats, the gang of approximately 10 diplomats, who had taken off their coats, ties and jewelry began attacking indiscriminately with fists and sticks, injuring even a Secret Service officer. "During the course of the demonstration, in which American and Cuban flags as well as signs and placards were displayed, a group of approximately 10 people came out of the embassy and engaged in hand-to-hand combat with the group of 20 demonstrators," wrote Uniformed Secret Service Officer Matthew D. Schaeffer, who witnessed the incident from his cruiser. Another officer, Kenneth E. Buczkowski, radioed for backup. After reinforcements arrived, law-enforcement units separated the two groups but made no attempt at arrests. Diplomatic immunity prevailed, apparently. The Washington Post reported that the Cuban officials attacked in response to provocations by demonstrators and to alleged harassment of a female colleague. But the police reports had anyone bothered to secure them showed an entirely different story. In fact, the incident referred to in the Post occurred several hours before the melee and injuries inflicted by the Cuban diplomats. And the incident referred to by the Post and other news outlets involved only a single demonstrator, who had made lewd hand gestures at a Cuban official's chauffeur. According to a copy of that incident report filed by a Secret Service officer, the individual was seen immediately to "depart the area" after being observed "spitting in the direction of a second Cuban staff member as she was crossing 16th Street." Much, much later, however, is when, as characterized by police and witnesses interviewed, Cuban diplomats launched what appeared to be a premeditated and organized assault. Before leaving the mission, the Cuban officials removed their coats, jewelry and rings. An eyewitness told police that two groups of Cuban officials gathered at the gate of the compound, based in the Swiss Embassy at 2630 16th Street NW, waited until the gate opened, and commenced the assault. "They immediately attacked us with fists and sticks," Victor Andres Triay, a professor at Middlesex Community College in Connecticut, told police. "The men came out deliberately to beat us." Two other demonstrators said they saw a Cuban official videotaping the attack with a camcorder. Sources tell Insight that the Cuban officials had been drinking before the assault. Officer Schaeffer wrote: "Ten 'unidentified' Cuban employees of the mission came out and began to assault the demonstrators on the front sidewalk. Units responded to separate the two groups and the Cuban employees were 'forced' back into their mission. "Eleven of the demonstrators filed complaints for simple assault. The Cuban First Secretary [Felix Wilson Hernandez] was interviewed and refused to provide a list of names of possible suspects." Federal law-enforcement sources tell Insight that the United States knows the identities of each of the Cuban assailants because of close,
[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #134
The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #134 -- April 21, 2000 A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE (To sign off this list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line signoff drc-natl in the body of the message, or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. To subscribe to this list, visit http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html. To make a donation, visit http://www.drcnet.org/drcreg.html. This issue can be also be read on our web site at http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html.) Due to the coinciding holidays, we are not presenting our usual coverage of drug policy news. Instead, this issue focuses on current action items, event listings and job listings. Our usual coverage will return next week. TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. Raise Your Voice! Students with Drug Convictions Losing Financial Aid July 1st http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#raiseyourvoice 2. Hawaii: Senate Voting on Medical Marijuana Bill Next Week http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#hawaii 3. New York: Letters Needed, Protests Mobilizing, Hearings Scheduled http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#newyork 4. Washington State: Medical Marijuana Sign-on Letter in Legislature http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#washington 5. Stop the Helicopters http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#helicopters 6. Upcoming Events http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#events 7. Job Opportunities http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#jobs 1. Raise Your Voice! Students with Drug Convictions Losing Financial Aid July 1st http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#raiseyourvoice Tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of students will lose all federal financial aid under a provision of the Higher Education Act (HEA) passed in 1998, going into effect July 1. Several things are needed to help get this destructive law repealed: 1) Visit http://www.RaiseYourVoice.com to send a letter to Congress supporting H.R. 1053, a bill to repeal the HEA drug provision. Tell your friends and other like-minded people to visit this web site. Follow up your e-mail and faxes with phone calls; our system will provide you with the phone numbers to reach your US Representative and your two US Senators. 2) Educators are needed to endorse our sign-on letter to Congress. If you teach or are otherwise involved in education, or are in a position to talk to educators, please write to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to request a copy of our educators letter and accompanying activist packet -- available by US mail or by e- mail. 3) Please contact us if you are involved with organizations that have mainstream credibility that might endorse a similar organizational sign-on letter -- organizations endorsing already include the NAACP, American Public Health Association, ACLU, United States Student Association, NOW, and a range of social, religious and other groups. 4) We urgently need to hear from students who have been affected by this law, especially students who are willing to go public. 5) We need students at more campuses to take the reform resolution to their student governments. Campuses recently endorsing it include University of Michigan, Yale University, University of Maryland, University of Kansas, the Association of Big Ten Schools, Douglass College at Rutgers University and many more. Visit http://www.u-net.org for information on the student campaign and how to get involved. (The site being updated this coming week, but is still useful even now.) Visit http://www.RaiseYourVoice.com and make your voice heard! 2. Hawaii: Senate Voting on Medical Marijuana Bill Next Week http://www.drcnet.org/wol/134.html#hawaii Hawaii's medical marijuana bill, S.B. 862, is expected to face a final vote in the state Senate sometime between Monday and Thursday of next week, April 24-27. Last month, the Senate passed an earlier version of the bill with a 13-12 vote. If only one Senator changes his or her vote from "yes" to "no," the bill will fail. If the bill passes again, then Gov. Cayetano, who has supported it all again, has promised to sign it, and medical marijuana patients in Hawaii could have the right to legally grow and use marijuana as soon as early May. If you live in Hawaii, then PLEASE CONTACT YOUR STATE SENATOR TODAY! Just visit http://www.mpp.org/Hawaii/ and take just two minutes or less to send a free e-mail or fax to your Hawaii state Senator. While you are doing that, please write down your Senator's phone number (the system will display it) and call as well, or call the Hawaii public access room at (808) 587-0478. PLEASE TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW IN HAWAII WHO MIGHT SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF PATIENTS WHO NEED MARIJUANA MEDICINALLY TO NOT BE ARRESTED FOR IT. Whether you are from Hawaii or not, you can use the web sites "tell-a-friend" form to let them know to visit http://www.mpp.org/Hawaii/ or forward this alert directly. S.B. 862 would provide
[CTRL] Fwd: The Church's Secret Killer
The Church's Secret Killer By Peter Woolrich Aids HIV are rife among gay clergy members, and they the fault lies with the church and its creed of silence. The culture of secrecy within the church plays into the hands of the virus. Aids-related deaths among the Anglican clergy are significantly higher than among the rest of the general population, and, according to its grass roots members, church leaders are to blame. One leading gay clergy support group has even accused archbishop George Carey of having "blood on his hands". Up to 25 Church of England priests are thought to have died from Aids-related illnesses in the last 10 years, but the church has maintained an official silence, fearing a public relations disaster. The number of churchgoers is already dwindling and, as a body; the church is riven with disagreement about such issues as the ordination of women and homosexuality. After 20 years of the disease only being referred to in whispers - and never publicly - by senior clergy, bitterness and anger against their position of denial are at boiling point. Some are claiming that, when this new evidence becomes widely known, many will turn their backs on the church for good. There are allegations that attempts have been made to suppress information about the real cause of some of the deaths and that a climate of secrecy has been fostered. It is this connivance, say disaffected groups within the church, that causes gay clerics to engage in the kind of sex that is more likely to result in them contracting Aids. "Gay clergy who want to have sex are having to resort to cottaging and promiscuous behaviour because they have been forced underground," says the general secretary of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement. Richard Kirker. 'Aids and related issues have been around for 20 years, but the church has never dealt with it or homosexuality; in an honest and open way: and some of the things that have happened as a result are very much to its shame. "Gay Christians are never going to be celibate, no matter how much the church wants them to be. It's a question of leadership, and George Carey has essentially put a three-line whip on the bishops not to deviate from the party line." Mr Kirker claims that 25-30 per cent of the Anglican clergy are gay and that some deaths are directly attributable to their leaders' attitude: "The church has Aids-blood and victims on its hands because of its lack of support for its members - and it has got to live with that." Figures for Aids-related deaths among Roman Catholic clergy in the UK are feared to be even higher than those in the C of E. because of its more draconian line on homosexuality. During the debate over Clause 28, Cardinal Winning of Glasgow compared homosexuals to Nazi bombers. In the US, up to 400 Catholic clerics have died of Aids-related illnesses since the mid-Eighties and hundreds more are infected with the HIV virus. Questionnaires were sent to 3,000 Catholic priests last year and 801 responded. Six out of 10 said that they knew of at least one priest who had died of an Aids-related illness, and a third said they knew of a priest living with Aids. All said that better sexual education was needed from their leaders. Dr Farely Cleghorn of the Institute of Human Virology in Baltimore claims to have treated 20 priests with Aids - and every one insisted on keeping their illness a secret. "The church and religious orders need to acknowledge that there is a problem," he says. "Priests have sex and they are susceptible to all sexually transmitted diseases, including Aids." Many of the American deaths are said to have been kept secret, or had the cause of death suppressed, a charge that some say can be levelled at the church in this country Eighteen months ago, church officials told colleagues that Michael Vasey, a prominent member of the General Synod and a Durham theological lecturer, had died from a heart attack. In fact, it emerged during a coroner's hearing that the 52-year-old was HIV-positive. Vasey had lost three stone in less than three months and had been suffering from "aching limbs" and "anxiety". He was eventually taken to Newcastle General Hospital with breathing difficulties. In 1995 Vasey whipped up a religious storm of controversy with the publication of his book Strangers and Friends, which argued that homosexual relationships were not incompatible with the teachings of the Bible. It is fair to say he wasn't a favourite son of his ecclesiastical bosses. The church has never officially recognised an Aids death in the priesthood, and Dr Carey has made it plain that he thinks the only proper context for sexual relations compatible with Christian faith is marriage. Quite what he thinks an estimated quarter of the 10,000 Anglican clergy who are gay are supposed to do is anyone's guess. In the London diocese alone, it has been claimed that 12 priests have died of Aids-related diseases, such as pneumonia, including Paul Rivers,
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
In a message dated 4/19/00 9:32:30 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gavin Phillips wrote: Many excellent quotations. Darwinian evolution has been repeatedly discredited by several good books documenting the litany of missing chains (not links). It is the holy grail of mainstream science to think that they are able to explain the genesis of humankind. Evolution doesn't come close, but they will desperately cling to it untill they can conjure up another theory which allows them to explain everything scientifically. Darwiniian macro-evolution is a religion. It has never been observed or repeated in a laboratory. Total nonsense. Gavin. === This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen you write. I won't even bother to respond to such an absurdity, because to do so might lead some half baked idiot to think that there are two sides to this argument, when there is no argument at all. Whatever happened to your mind? Joshua2 Poor Joshua, have you already forgotten our little set-to a few months ago about disarming Americans, and trailed into a debate about Darwinian evolution. You are as ignorant now as you were then. There are two sides to this argument. One side is losing very badly. The Darwinian theory of macro-evolution is down and out-period. Phillip Johnson, author of many books on this subject replied to my email informing me that he has won every debate that he has had so far, many of them with University professors. Guess how he wins every time? Because Darwinian macro-evolution is complete and utter, unadulterated 100% BULLSHIT. Below is a partial reminder of our little tête-à-tête a few months ago. Gavin; I do not practice any type of religion. I do not beleive in the bible chapter and verse, the earth was made in 6 days etc. I know through reading several books on evolution that it is complete nonsense with only a few bones as "proof" that it happened. Joshua; This is entirely wrong. This is the pathetic defense of supernaturalists. Evolution is is a daily observable process. Also, you need to get yourself updated on the " Bones " issue. There are MANY almost complete fossil records to demonstrate the evolutionary process. I suggest you read " The Beak of the Finch " for a clear and recent demonstration of evolution at work. Gavin; You are completely wrong and really should do far more research into the glaring loopholes in your hypothesis before making an ass of yourself. There are obviously 100's of bones and skeletons of animals from millions of years ago. What evolutionists do not have, and they admit this, is the 1000's of transitional bones when one species changes into another species. As Phillip Johnson says in the article I have posted; "The most important is the fossil problem, because this is a direct record of the history of life on earth. If Darwinism were true, you would expect the fossil evidence to contain many examples of Darwinian evolution. You would expect to see fossils that really couldn't be understood except as transitions between one kind of organism and another... " "In reality, the fossil record is something that Darwinists have had to explain away, because what it shows is the sudden appearance of organisms that exhibit no trace of step-by-step development from earlier formsIn short, if evolution is the gradual, step-by-step transformation of one kind of thing into another, the outstanding feature of the fossil record is the absence of evidence for evolution." To try and get around this problem some evolutionists have proposed other theories which are just as ridiculous as gradualistic evolution. Richard Goldsmidt proposed the theory of "hopeful monsters" where one day a reptile would lay an egg and out popped a bird. Trouble is he would need another totally improbable event, another hopefull monster being hatched at the same time in the same area in order for them to breed. The other problem is that there should be thousands of hopeless monsters littering the fossil record. There are none. Harvard University's Stephen Jay Gould proposed punctuated equilibrium. Gould postulated that perhaps species remain in stasis (the same) for millions of years. Then only a few isolated breeding groups change into different species. As Milton says;; "The difficulty with punctuated equilibrium is that it is wholly speculative and has been introduced simply to account for the lack of fossils that ought exist in the neo-Darwinist theory." Once again, there is no concrete proof for either hypothesis. Not only books by Christian scientists, but books by scientists such as Michael Denton's, Evolution : A Theory in Crisis and the recent Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael J. Behe Assoc. Prof. of Biochemistry at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania in which Behe mounts an insurmountable challenge to gradualistic evolution with his irreducibly complex molecular
[CTRL] Davidians: FBI Ignored Offer of firefighting equipment
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-exec/2000/apr/21/042100947.html Today: April 21, 2000 at 15:34:46 PDT Davidians: FBI Ignored Offer ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI ignored a California company's offer of remote-controlled armored firefighting equipment less than two weeks before the deadly fire that ended the 1993 Waco siege, Branch Davidians said in a court filing Friday. The FBI's on-scene commanders also did little to prepare for the possibility of fire despite Attorney General Janet Reno's directive that they be ready for all emergency contingencies, the plaintiffs said as part of their wrongful-death lawsuit against the government. They point to a memo jotted down in the FBI's Washington command center 10 days before the siege's fiery end advising that the two on-scene commanders had decided "there would be no plan to fight a fire should one develop in the Davidian compound." More than 80 Branch Davidians died during the inferno that consumed their flimsy wooden retreat on April 19, 1993, several hours into an FBI tear-gassing operation intended to end the 51-day siege. The local volunteer fire department's personnel and fire trucks were kept away from the burning building -- a decision that FBI special agent in charge Jeffrey Jamar told Congress he made out of concern that the firefighters could be hit by Davidian gunfire or exploding ammunition. But the plaintiffs, in a 58-page motion made public Friday that will be filed in federal court in Waco, Texas, say the FBI ignored an offer made by a California company -- Flamechek International - to lend the government a Soviet T-55 combat tank reconfigured as armored firefighting equipment. Flamechek's owner, Mira Slovak, told plaintiffs' lawyers in a deposition last month that he called an FBI office in California a week to 10 days before the siege's fiery end to offer the remote-controlled equipment. Slovak said he followed up the bureau's request for more information by providing brochures and tank specifications but never heard back from the FBI. Former FBI Assistant Director Larry Potts and other high-ranking officials testified during recent depositions that they were told such firefighting equipment didn't exist and that they knew nothing of the Flamechek offer. "Never heard of that," Potts said. "It was my understanding that (armored firefighting equipment) didn't exist," said Richard Rogers, who headed the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team at Waco. He testified he first heard of Flamechek's offer last month. The plaintiffs aren't focusing only on the armored equipment. They also argue that the FBI commanders were derelict in not exploring other options such as water cannons or helicopters with water buckets. "The most fitting assessment of the FBI's pathetic performance on this issue remains the comment of Stuart Gerson, acting attorney general before the confirmation of Janet Reno: 'Think about fire next time,"' the motion says. The government has asked the federal judge presiding over the case to throw out the plaintiffs' claims relating to the fire, saying the FBI leaders' decisions are covered under a discretionary authority protection. "The discretionary function exception protects policy-grounded judgment or choice," the Justice Department said in a court filing earlier this month. "Even if the on-scene commanders were negligent or abused their discretion by deciding not to have armored fire trucks -- or any other specific equipment -- available, those decisions would fall within the exception." The government has long contended the Davidians themselves torched their retreat and caused their own deaths, whether by fire or gunshot. The lawsuit heads to trial in
[CTRL] Russia fires on Jap fishing boat within Japanese waters
http://www.timesofindia.com/today/22worl13.htm Russia fires on Jap fishing boat within Japanese waters TOKYO: Russia's coast guard fired on a Japanese fishing boat within Japan's northern waters on Friday and took the boat back into Russian waters, government officials in Tokyo said. In Moscow, the ITAR-Tass news agency said a Russian patrol boat came across a fishing boat in Russian territorial waters with its name and number concealed. The boat tried to escape and avoid inspection, ITAR-Tass said. "The intruder was shelled by the Russian border guards when it attempted to escape from the Russian economic zone into neutral waters," the Pacific region border-guards press center was quoted as saying. According to the Interfax news agency, the Russian border guards pursued the fishing boat into Japan's economic zone. Yuko Kumagai, a spokeswoman for the Japan Coast Guard, said the mast and dining room area of the Japanese fishing boat, called the No. 7 Daitokumaru, were hit. None of 20 crew members aboard the boat, which belongs to Nitta fishing company, was hurt in the shooting, according to an initial report from the boat. The Coast Guard has since lost contact with the boat. Through the Russian Embassy in Tokyo, Japan demanded Russia immediately return the people on the boat as well as give an explanation for what happened, a Foreign Ministry official said on condition of anonymity. Japan has not received a reply from Moscow, he said. Japan's coast guard sent three aircraft and four patrol boats to the scene, 100 kilometers south of cape of Ochiishi on Japan's northernmost main island of Hokkaido, but were forced to return when the boat entered Russian waters late Friday, said Coast Guard spokesman Shinichiro Takitsu. The area is geographically separated from a group of disputed islands seized by Soviet forces at the end of World War II. Both sides claim historical ownership of the disputed islands, which Tokyo calls the Northern Territories. The stalemate over the islands has prevented the two sides from concluding a peace treaty and has stunted relations. There have been occasional arrests and shootings at Japanese fishing boats by Russian patrols because of the disagreement.(AP) -- --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- _ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family
http://www.weberman.com/monica.htm VICTOR LASKY Victor Lasky, was more than a simple right-wing columnist. He was a CIA operative. Lasky began his career in journalism as a copy boy for The New York Journal American. After Army service in World War II, Victor Lasky became a journalist who "exposed" Communist infiltration of American institutions. In 1955 he wrote for WRKO radio. He covered the Alger Hiss trial, and co-wrote a book about the case entitled Seeds of Treason. From 1956 to 1960, he was a public relations executive with Radio Liberty, a well-known CIA proprietary. From 1962 to 1980 Victor Lasky was a news columnist for the North American Newspaper Alliance. The North American Newspaper Alliance published Victor Lasky's columns attacking the critics of the Warren Commission. In the early 1960's Nelson Rockefeller protested against an alleged investigation of Victor Lasky by the Justice Department. Rockefeller claimed a Justice Department official had made inquires regarding Lasky at the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee. [FBI 62-72612-84; FBI 62-7261 NR October 18, (?) 1963] In 1963 Lasky wrote JFK, The Man and the Myth. In 1968 he wrote Robert F. Kennedy, The Myth and the Man. He was the recipient of a $20,000 cash payment from the NIXON White House in the early 1970's. [WFO FBI 139-166, Hdqrs.. 139-4089-2312 - 6.18.73] Around this time Victor Lasky wrote, It Didn't Start with Watergate, a defense of RICHARD NIXON. In 1978 Lasky became a principal in Accuracy In Media, an ultraconservative media watchdog group whose directors included Claire Boothe Luce. Accuracy In Media sent a letter of protest to The National Enquirer when it published an article in April 1977 by this author on OSWALD'S 201 file. DAVID PHILLIPS, who retired from the CIA and headed the Association of Retired Intelligence Agents, was quoted extensively in this letter. Claire Boothe Luce was also a member of the Board of Directors of the Association of Retired Intelligence Agents. In the mid-1980s, Lasky was close to CIA director William Casey. Lasky was associated with FRANK STURGIS through men like Nathan Weyl. Check the DATABASE! 1982-1983 Board of directors of HERITAGE FOUNDATION. Former USIA head Frank Shakespeare is on the Board of Directors of Heritage. Other directors include Paul Weyrich, long time associate of the John Birch Society. Paul Weyrich left Heritage in 1974 to form Free Congress Foundation with convicted Nazi war criminal Lazlo Pasztor. Roger Pearson was on the editorial board of the Heritage Foundation until he was fired for organizing an anti-Semitic conference at at meeting of the World Anti-Communist League. Pearson is best known today for publishing MANKIND QUARTERLY a eugenic journal that promotes the idea that White are innately superior to blacks and Asians. The NAZIS link to this website. In 1985, Ellen Gardner, Heritage Education Expert, worked briefly at the Department of Education under William Bennett after she said that handicapped people drained normal people of money and were responsible for their own disabilities. It should be noted that aside from killings, Jews, Gays and Gypsies, the Nazi exterminated physically and mentally handicapped people. Sam Francis Heritage's former expert on International Terrorism saw his column terminated by the Washington Times for racism. Heritage has interlocking direcorates with the Capitol Research Center which monitors the donations of mainstream foundations. Capitol Research is anti-enviormentalist and keeps really upset when foundations donate money teen anti-smoking campaigns. -Original Message- From: Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family See a long list of groups at the following site: http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/psn/may96/0214.html National Republican Heritage Groups (Nationalities) Council. An umbrella org for various ethnic Republican clubs and operates under the auspices of the Republican National Committee (RNC). In the 1950s, it became the strategy of Eisenhower and Nixon to paint the Democrats as soft on communism. Liberating Eastern Europe became part of the GOP message. The RNC formed an Ethnic Division. "The Republican Heritage Groups Council [has] consciously recruited some of its members--and some of its leaders --from an Eastern European emigre network which includes anti-Semites, racists, authoritarians, and fascists, including sympathizers and collaboraters of Hitler's Third Reich, former Nazis, and even possible war criminals The antidemocratic and racialist components of the Republican Heritage Groups Council use anticommunist sentiments as a cover for their views while the operate as a de facto emigre fascist network within the Republican Party The emigre fascist network within the Republican Party represents a small but significant elements of the coalition which brought
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
In a message dated 4/20/00 1:44:16 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This primitive, superstitious blather is as off topic here as was abortion. It's an intentional diversion intended to distract us from our study of the truth. Go away and stop trying to disrupt our research. Gavin. If you don't like it, press delete. Besides, evolution is a fact. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. Get used to it. Gavin. No, it is not a fact. No, there is no empirical evidence for macro-evolution, which supposedly happened over tens of billions of years. Get used to that. Go peddle your religions on a religion list. This is not a religion list. Religion is disruptive. It doesn't belong on this list. Go away; take your superstitions with you. Leave us alone; we're trying to accomplish something here. You're in the way. There are two possible explanations for you prattling on about off topic subjects, one after another. (1.) You're exceedingly rude, or (2.) somebody pays you to disrupt conspiracy research. Either way, we're better off without you. Besides, there are plenty of places on the web that exist specifically for people like you and the flat earthers an the rest of your ilk to feel at home in. Go there. Reinforce each other's childish delusions to your hearts' content. Leave us grownups alone. Gavin. Start your own list, then you can censor away, otherwise follow your own advice, and act like a grown-up. Stop lecturing, nobody gives a shit. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Unmanned spy plane makes first test deployment
Unmanned spy plane makes first test deployment April 21, 2000 Web posted at: 7:37 p.m. EDT (2337 GMT) EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Florida (AP) -- The Air Force's newest spy plane landed here Friday on its first deployment from its home base in California -- but no pilot got out of the cockpit. The $25 million Global Hawk, still in the demonstration phase, does not even have a cockpit. It's an unmanned aerial vehicle, or UAV, that can fly on its own for up to 35 hours as high as 65,000 feet. Its missions will be those that are too "dull, dirty and dangerous" to risk a pilot, said Col. Craig R. McPherson, program director for the Global Hawk at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. "You shoot this down and you have a smoking hole in the ground," McPherson said. "But you haven't lost the pilot. The last thing you want to do is have the pilot paraded down the main street of a Kosovo-type of environment." On its way to the Florida Panhandle from Edwards Air Force Base, California, Global Hawk No. 4 transmitted pictures of boats in the Gulf of Mexico for the Coast Guard to demonstrate its potential for the interdiction of drugs and other contraband. While at Eglin, the glider-like UAV, which has a 116-foot wingspan, will take part in two military exercises. Global Hawks are made by the Ryan Aeronautical Center of Northrop Grumman in San Diego, although final assembly is going to be moved to Palmdale, California, said Carl Johnson, the company's Global Hawk program director. Two more Global Hawks will be delivered later this year. Two more should be completed in 2003 and the Air Force plans to acquire two each year from then on until it has as many as 48. -- Everything on this earth has a purpose, and every disease an herb to cure it, and every person a mission. This is the Indian theory of existence. --Mourning Dove, 1888-1936 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Hackers Are Out There
The Hackers Are Out There UFO Buffs Flock to Hacked Web Site By Martha Waggoner The Associated Press R A L E I G H, N.C., April 20 A hacker disrupted service for 36 hours at the Web site that published satellite images of Area 51, the top-secret Air Force test site in Nevada that has fascinated UFO and conspiracy theorists for decades. The attack, combined with traffic 10 times what the site usually bears, meant millions of people had difficulty accessing the site or could not connect with it at all, the company said today. Did the attack come from outer space? From the U.S. military? Or a bored computer geek? The company wouldn'tt say today, citing an ongoing investigation. The site, www.terraserver.com, was running today, although some delays were possible. I wont tell you its completely solved, said John Hoffman, president of Raleigh-based Aerial Images Inc., which owns and operates the site. We ve taken steps to mitigate its effect. Its almost a fact of being online these days. Attack Just Before Unveiling The attack began within six hours of when images of the 8,000-square-mile Area 51, home to Groom Dry Lake Air Force Base, became available at 8 p.m. Monday, Hoffman said. The site is averaging 7 million to 8 million page views per day; typically, it averages 700,000 to 800,000. Aerial Images had expected from 3 million to 5 million daily views after the Area 51 images were posted. As you can imagine, it takes a while to figure it out when youve got that huge volume of traffic, Hoffman said. Sorting it out is challenging. Another Denial of Service? Hoffman declined to provide details of the attack. But John Pike of the Federation of American Scientists in Washington, D.C., said he would guess the attack was an external denial of service, like the one that happened to yahoo.com a few months ago, and not from someone who gained access to the server. If you assume its a denial-of-service attack, and youre getting a lot of traffic, it can be difficult to figure out if its all from legitimate users or if some significant chunk is from a machine set up to specifically overload your server, said Pike, the federations Webmaster. The release of the images stirred up great interest in the base, which the Air Force only recently acknowledged even existed. The base is 75 miles northwest of Las Vegas, in the arid, rugged Nellis Range. Its Area 51 nickname comes from its designation on old Nevada test site maps. Beginning with the U-2 spy plane in the 1950s, the base has been the testing ground for top-secret aircraft, including the SR-71 Blackbird and, more recently, the F-117A stealth fighter and B-2 stealth bomber. Aircraft are not allowed to fly over the base, but satellite over flights are allowed as part of an agreement to verify arms-control compliance. -- Everything on this earth has a purpose, and every disease an herb to cure it, and every person a mission. This is the Indian theory of existence. --Mourning Dove, 1888-1936 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FWD:from a retired judge/carries with him at all times
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com Subject: FWD:from a retired judge/carries with him at all times Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 Suggest you do like the judge...he may know the law. Print this out and carry everywhere, there is no one in Prison that did not give his or her permission to be placed there! Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Dear Law Enforcement Officer: With all due respect, Demand for Trial By Jury to First decide the innocence or guilt of this individual upon the instant matter is hereby made on all proceedings arising from charges made by this Officer or Department of Government. Demand that Nature and Cause be proven into the record of the Court for any charges arising from charges made by this Officer or Department of Government is hereby demanded. Please attach this document in it's entirety with any charge, summons, or information you may make regarding me as this Document constitutes a specific demand for Jury trial to FIRST decide my innocence or guilt and that the Nature and Cause for said charge be proven in this or any matter arising out of this matter and that it must be made a part of the record of any and all proceedings as my communication to the court and as these demands are fully supported by the 6th amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America (the law of the land, all others notwithstanding). I am hereby informing you that I do not consent to talk to you, and that I must insist, unless you are placing me under arrest, or can state specific and articulable facts which warrant your detaining me that you immediately leave me alone to go about my business, as is my right as a United States Citizen. I am engaged in the ownership and use of Property belonging to me as I see fit to use it, and as is my Constitutional Right to do. My responsibility to that act does not extend beyond any harm my decision does to another. If you (the officer or applicable Department of Government) are attempting to curtail my free use of my property you are hereby requested to identify the injured party and to instruct said injured party articulate the specific harm I or my use of my property has caused, in writing and provided to me and to the applicable court. Should you choose to ignore this request and to detain me or cause me costly litigation knowing that no injured party exists as a result of my actions, be advised you are very likely acting outside the authority of your office and your Sovereign immunity. I am not operating a motor vehicle pursuant to USC Title 18 Sec. 31, definitions. Whereas I recognize it is your charge to protect the safety and welfare of the citizenry, you must also see that I have not harmed nor caused to be harmed anyone. I state here and now that I have exercised my unalienable rights in a fashion that is within the meaning and protection of the U. S. Constitution and beyond that I have no responsibility. In addition, as it is my opinion, this detention is completely about converting my money to the use of this municipality, city, county and/or state, I inform you that my property is also protected by the Constitution just mentioned and that my money is my property. I do not choose to surrender it nor any other right protected for me by that Constitution, nor could I if I did so choose. In addition, be advised that any act on your part to proceed under color of law against me knowing full well I am not party to a contract which enables you to enforce traffic and property laws (unless, there is a real/true injured party willing to testify that I have done them harm) will be met with an aggressive and protracted and time consuming Court battle before a Jury of my peers. I am party to NO contract (visible or invisible) with corporate body politics in the City of Blue Springs, County of Jackson, State of Missouri, or any other city, county, state in the Union or the Federal Government. In clarification, I pay for the few services supplied by this government that I use with MONEY (the legal tender of this land i.e. Income tax, fuel tax, cigarette tax, sales tax, property tax, real estate tax ,, etc. etc. etc.). I DO NOT PAY WITH MY RIGHTS, as do most other Americans. Beyond that payment I am not indebted to this or any other government entity. As such, there can be no valid contract, (visible or invisible) which binds me to the laws by contract you are heretofore attempting to enforce. I HAVE NO HISTORY OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AND AM THEREBY NO THREAT TO YOUR SAFETY AS THAT FACT WILL NOT CHANGE NOW. IN ADDITION Any assumed contracts this court or this city may be acting in accordance with have been rescinded from their inception per Affidavit currently published at
Re: [CTRL] Very Strong Divisive Cards are being played
At 12:07 AM 4/21/00 EDT, Kris wrote: To all, Be wary, very strong divisive psychological sets are being "memed" into the our body politic. This is a very interesting post. But I don't really understand exactly what you are referring to. Could you maybe give some example of the psychological sets being memeed?(aside from the Elian Extravaganza) A very strong xtian card plus the traditional homophobias and other emotive "gut" issues. What is an xtian card? Can't find it in the dictionary. Operation Scream? As in Allende's Chile . . . Look for "calls" about 1/1/2001 in the frentic xtian circles. What does this mean? Calls? 1/1/2001? Thanks for clarifying. Best, Mary A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DID research
Hi ! Below please find research on DID. Sincerely, Neil Brick Our listing these resources does not necessarily constitute our endorsement of them. Resources mentioned in this resource list are mentioned for educational value only. Using these resources may or may not help your recovery process, so use caution when reading anything or contacting anyone mentioned in this resource list. This may be triggering for survivors of abuse. http://www.sidran.org/refs/ref5.html Prevalence Of DID 3-8% of inpatient populations (Saxe, et al., 1993 - U.S.; Ross, 1991; Ross, et al, 1991 - CANADA; Boon Draijer, 1993 - NETHERLANDS; Knudsen, et al, 1995 - NORWAY) Nonclinical samples reveal approximately a 10% DD rate and a 1% MPD rate. There has not been a single prevalence study to date that does not find DID in both clinical and non-clinical samples. http://www.sidran.org/refs/ref3.html Amnesia In Childhood Sexual Abuse Victims Without exception in every study of sexual abuse survivors, amnesia has been found. There have been no studies that asked about amnesia that found amnesia did not exist in the studied population. http://www.sidran.org/refs/ref6.html Validity And Diagnosis Of DID (one example) McCauley, J, et al. (1997). Clinical characteristics of women with a history of childhood sexual abuse: Unhealed wounds. Journal of the American Medical Association, 277 Study of 2000 women from John Hopkins University Medical School found more than 1 in five suffered physical or sexual abuse as children. More than half of those abused as children were also abused as adults. Abused women were more than 4 times more likely to say they had experienced at least 6 health problems in the past 6 months, including headaches, nightmares, and chest pains. Suicide attempts were 5 times more likely in that population. Abused women had more physical symptoms, higher scores for depression, anxiety, somatization, and low self esteem; were more likely to be abusing drugs, have a history of alcohol abuse; and more likely to have had a psychiatric admission. http://www.sidran.org/refs/ref2.html Amnesia In Various Other Victim Populations In every study that actually looked at amnesia, it was found. There was not a single study that actually asked about amnesia that did not find some segment of the trauma population who experienced it. http://www.sidran.org/refs/ref16.html Leavitt, F. (1997). False attribution of suggestibility to explain recovered memory of childhood sexual abuse following extended amnesia. Child Abuse and Neglect, 21(3), 265-272. 44 patients with recovered memory and 31 patient comparison group without a history of childhood sexual abuse using the Gudjonsson Suggestibility Scale. Patients who recovered memory were remarkably less suggestible than the clinical field has been led to believe. Recovered memory patients yielded to suggested prompts an average of 6.7x per case, with an average of 10.6 in comparison group. http://www.sidran.org/refs/ref11.html Christianson, SA (1992). Emotional stress and eyewitness testimony. Psychological Bulletin, 112(2), 284-309. Emotional memories, in comparison to memory for normal events, are more detailed, accurate, and not prone to error. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] global gag rule
Respectfully, If you look and research at all the numbers of Jewish peoples in Europe before WW 2, you will find they do not match the number of people murdered in the camps. The 6 Million Figure was the Figure people claim were of Just the Jewish Population. Many Christians were also murdered because they didn't go along with Hitler's Regime. "Uncle Joe Stalin" did murder many more, 25 - 50 Million, and Mao in Red China also murdered about 50 million during his reign. Respectfully Yours; Mike 4/20/2K Actually, according to the University of Madrid in conjunction with some research institute in Moscow, Stalin offed 80 million, and Mao did 60 million. but try calling these a holocaust and you get sued for breach of copyright. Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mind Control by H. Martin and D.Caul
Mind Control http://www.freeamerica.com/GovernmentCtrl/govctrl6.html By Harry V. Martin and David Caul Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 There was just a small news announcement on the radio in early July after a short heat wave, three inmates of Vacaville Medical Facility had died in non-air conditioned cells. Two of those prisoners, the announcement said, may have died as a result of medical treatment. No media inquiries were made, no major news stories developed because of these deaths. But what was the medical treatment that may have caused their deaths? The Medical Facility indicates they were mind control or behavior modification treatments. A deeper probe into the death of these two inmates unravels a mind-boggling tale of horror that has been part of California penal history for a long time, and one that caused national outcries two decades ago. Mind control experiments have been part of California for decades and permeate mental institutions and prisons. But, it is not just in the penal society that mind control measures have been used. Minority children were subjected to experimentation at abandoned Nike Missile Sites, veterans who fought for American freedom were also subjected to the programs. Funding and experimentations of mind control have been part of the U.S. Health, Education and Welfare Department, the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Central Intelligence Agency through the Phoenix Program, the Stanford Research Institute, the Agency for International Development, the Department of Defense, the Department of Labor, the National Institute of Mental Health, the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, and the National Science Foundation. California has been in the forefront of mind control experimentation. Government experiments also were conducted in the Haight-Ashbury District in San Francisco at the height of the Hippy reign. In 1974, Senator Sam Erwin, of Watergate fame, headed a U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights studying the subject of "Individual rights and the Federal role in behavior modification." Though little publicity was given to this committee's investigation, Senator Erwin issued a strong condemnation of the federal role in mind control. That condemnation, however, did not halt mind control experiments, they just received more circuitous funding. Many of the case histories concerning individuals of whom the mind control experiments were used, show a strange concept in the minds of those seeking guinea pigs. Those subject to the mind control experiments would be given indefinite sentences, his freedom was dependent upon how well the experiment went. One individual, for example, was arrested for joyriding, given a two-year sentence and held for mind control experiments. He was held for 18 years. Here are just a few experiments used in the mind control program: A naked inmate is strapped down on a board. His wrists and ankles are cuffed to the board and his head is rigidly held in place by a strap around his neck and a helmet on his head. He is left in a darkened cell, unable to remove his body wastes. When a meal is delivered, one wrist is unlocked so he could feel around in the dark for his food and attempt to pour liquid down his throat without being able to lift his head. Another experiment creates a muscle relaxant. Within 30 to 40 seconds paralysis begins to invade the small muscles of the fingers, toes, and eyes and then the inter costal muscles and diaphragm. The heart slows down to about 60 beats per minute. This condition, together with respiratory arrests, sets in for as long as two to five minutes before the drug begins to wear off. The individual remains fully conscious and is gasping for breath. It is "likened to dying, it is almost like drowning" the experiment states. Another drug induces vomiting and was administered to prisoners who didn't get up on time or caught swearing or lying, or even not greeting their guards formally. The treatment brings about uncontrolled vomiting that lasts from 15 minutes to an hour, accompanied by a temporary cardio vascular effect involving changes in the blood pressure. Another deals with creating body rigidness, aching restlessness, blurred vision, severe muscular pain, trembling and fogged cognition. The Department of Health, Education and Welfare and the U.S. Army have admitted mind control experiments. Many deaths have occurred. In tracing the steps of government mind control experiments, the trail leads to legal and illegal usages, usage for covert intelligence operations, and experiments on innocent people who were unaware that they were being used. By Harry V. Martin and David Caul Second in a Series Copyright, Napa Sentinel, 1991 EDITOR'S NOTE: The Sentinel commenced a series on mind control in early August and suspended it until September because of the extensive research required after additional information was received. In July, two inmates died at the Vacaville
[CTRL] Annunaki Explained
In reference to an ancient post given, a reply is posted: -Original Post- Subject: Re: What About the Anunnaki? by Acharya S In my talks and writings about the Christian myth and mythology in general, I am often asked, 'What about Sitchin?' In the first place, I read a number of Sitchin's books before I came across the information concerning the Christian myth. Obviously, I was not convinced enough by Sitchin's speculations that I overlooked the research that subsequently came my way. Before I address the world of Sitchin, an economist by education and profession, let me say something about myself. I am a classically trained archaeologist, historian, mythologist and linguist, which is to say that I went to excellent schools that applied rigorous scientific methodology. In such an education, if one discovers factual information that is contradictory to what one already believes or perceives, one is compelled by honesty to abandon the earlier, erroneous model and accept the new. These are the methods by which I have continuously honed in on the history of the planet and its creatures. While it is true that some people (fewer than the masses would like to believe) needn't be specialists in a given field through standard scholastic training, it is of greater validity that someone who has spent years upon years studying an issue, subjected to criticism and feedback by way of 'tests' and 'grades,' is in the end going to be more knowledgeable in that field. For example, if you need a heart transplant, you must go to a specialist and doctor, not a plumber. On the other hand, those who are classically educated but do not display acute critical thinking will mindlessly go along with the party line, no matter how wrong it may be. Zecharia Sitchin appeals to those who have seen the flaws in the orthodox paradigm concerning human origins and the planet's history. Because of bizarre anomalies and mysteries, neither evolution nor creationism are completely adequate in themselves. In an attempt to explain these anomalies, which include weird stories or 'myths' and enormous, astonishing ruins worldwide, Zecharia Sitchin has written several best-selling books based on the 'alien astronaut theory,' which dictates that alien visitors have been influencing human life for thousands if not millions of years, even to the point of genetic manipulation. Supporters claim that Sitchin is one of the few people who read the Sumerian language, and he has made a 'pet theory' from what he has interpreted from his readings. Some supporters also claim that because he can read Sumerian, he must be interpreting the data properly. In the first place, the assertion that he is one of the few scholars of Sumerian is not true. In the second, the idea that someone may be able to read a language and therefore can interpret the data is a specious argument, because the one certainly does not guarantee the other. Also, years befor Sitchin, biblical and Dead Sea scrolls scholar John Allegro studied Sumerian intimately and came to very different conclusions, to wit that many of the words revolved around sex and drugs. While Sitchin is a good researcher and provides much interesting knowledge concerning the lost global civilization that has left its vast mark in both story and stone, there are several problems with his pet theory that I believe are explainable at least in part not because of his scientific training but because of his cultural and religious conditioning. In the first place, it should be noted that he is building on the work of von Daniken and the German School without giving von Daniken much credit. von Daniken, it should be recalled, was one of the first moderns to put forth the ancient astronaut theory and was widely ridiculed and vilified for his observations. Because of Sitchin's apparent scholastic training, he becomes more credible for many. Sitchin starts out on the right foot when he looks to the heavens to determine what the myths of the ancients really mean. He is right on the money when he sees celestial bodies in some of the characters in these myths. However, he seriously blunders when he attempts to make them into human beings or aliens. For example, his entire thesis is built upon the speculation that there is a '12th planet' from which a group of extraterrestrials called the Anunnaki - a term in Sumerian mythology - descended upon earth every 3,500 years or so. First of all, the speculation is not needed, as the Sumero-Babylonians themselves said that the gods were the planets, not people, and that their stories were myths representing personifications of these bodies. It is believed that by 'dismissing' the myths of the ancients as myths, we are somehow robbing them of their 'history.' This claim is ludicrous, as it is those who insist that there are NO myths who are actually defaming the ancients. Has everyone already forgotten the learned and esteemed mythologist Joseph Campbell? Campbell knew that major
[CTRL] Negatives From Film Shot At Waco Are Missing...
Negatives From Film Shot At Waco Are Missing... (big surprise) By William H. Freivogel and Terry Ganey St. Louis Post-Dispatch - Scripps Howard News Service link 4-18-00 The Justice Department admits it can't not find the original negatives of an important roll of film taken on the last day of the siege of the Branch Davidians' complex. But it says it hasn't tampered with those photos or with infrared and electronic surveillance tapes of the 1993 episode that left about 80 Branch Davidians dead. The government acknowledged in a court filing Monday that it is missing 30 original negatives from the first of at least seven rolls of film shot by an FBI photographer who circled 1,000 feet above the complex in a Cessna surveillance aircraft. But the government does have prints of the missing negatives and the original contact sheet of the negatives. This roll of film is important because it appears to show that there are no government agents standing where flashes show up on infrared surveillance tape of the incident. The absence of agents undercuts the Branch Davidians' claim that the flashes are from the guns of agents firing into the complex. One strip of original negatives from that first roll of film has been turned over to the federal court that is hearing the Branch Davidians' wrongful death suit against the government. That strip contains a key photograph that appears to have been taken at 11:24 a.m., within seconds of flashes on the video. That photograph shows no agents in the vicinity of the flashes. But the other negatives from that roll of film have been missing since at least 1997 and have not been found despite an extensive search by the FBI, the Justice Department said. Agents searched for the negatives at least five times. The department said that the strip of original negatives with the photo from 11:24 a.m. was separated from the missing original negatives when Congress requested it as part of its 1995 investigation of Waco. A document analyst with the Special Photo Unit of the FBI, identified only as "ALS," found that the negatives were missing around April 1997. The FBI then made a duplicate set of the negatives from photographs and marked them with the notation "originals lost." The Davidians' attorney, Michael Caddell, had claimed that one of the photos from the replacement negatives had a white scratch that appeared to obliterate a speck that might be a person. But the Justice Department said that the contact sheet, made from the original negative, had no person or speck. The Justice Department also disputed Caddell's claim that several rolls of the film were missing. The photographer taking the film that said he took about 10 rolls, give or take one or two. The FBI produced seven rolls. In Monday's court filing, the department produced logs and records that appear to show that only seven rolls were shot and developed. The government argued in its court filing that it should not be fined for any
[CTRL] GOVERNMENT CONTROL ARTICLES
GOVERNMENT CONTROL ARTICLES http://www.freeamerica.com/govcontr.html STATE DEFENCE FORCES A new radical element that lacks discipline and training, which replaces the National Guard in each state in case of an emergency and when National Guard troops are out of the country. EXECUTIVE ORDERS Many presidents have issued Executive Orders - which is not spelled out in the Constitution. These orders allow the transfer of whole populations, forced labor, take-over of the systems in the U.S. all on a perceived emergency - not necessarily a real one. FEMA - the Secret Government The Federal Emergency Management Agency has full control over the entire United States during a real or perceived crisis. It can move whole populations, take over banks, transportation, industry, ports, etc. And citizens will have no Constitutional rights. Have They Found a Cure? Has the U.S. Government stifled research on cancer because of it economic impact? BLACK HELICOPTERS - WHO OPERATES THEM? Unmarked Black Helicopters have been hovering over our cities and towns for many years and have increased in frequency in the troubled West. Who really operates them and why? AIDS AND THE INDIANS Experiments by the U.S. Government in Alaska two to three decades ago may have been the start of the AIDS epidemic. INSLAW A fabled case of espionage, murder and high treason. It involves the theft of propriety software that can track every American citizen and is used by the U.S. to tap into the intelligence operations of its own allies. MIND CONTROL Experiments in mind control on U.S. military and civilians - traced from Nazi Germany to the Soviet Union to within the United States by the military and CIA ASSAULT WEAPONS The fear that assault weapons were proliferating in California caused the State Legislature to enact tough legislation outlawing and/or requiring registration of such weapons. The hysteria over assault weapons was fanned by the state Attorney General's Office. Government Seizure Laws The Federal Government has the right to seize your property whether or not you are charged with a crime and dispose of it - and you have no rights to prevent them. Misuse of Your Social Security Number Social Security was created as a pension program and your SS card was not to be used for identification. Now it is used as your military service number and on every government and non-government form - illegally. Expendable People - testing the AIDS virus Documents from the Federal Government, the United Nations and Indian Tribes in Alaska indicate the AIDS virus was tested in New York, Alaska, California and in Africa before it became an epidemic. Wackenhut - the Robocop of today A little known organization founded by former FBI agents is the largest private army in the United States, operating security in our jails, hospitals, firehouses, prisons and at nuclear facilities. What else are they involved with? The Federal Reserve Bunk The Federal Reserve System was established by President Woodrow Wilson in 1913. The premise used by President Wilson and his financial advisors for the establishment of the Federal Reserve System was to "supplant the dictatorship of the private banking institutions" and "to stabilize the inflexibility of national bank note supplies". [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeAmerica ©1995 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] United Nations - the NWO taking shape
United Nations - the new World Order taking shape http://www.freeamerica.com/world/world3.html By Harry V. Martin Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 The Constitution of the United States provides a mechanism by which foreign treaties must be approved by both the President of the United States and the U.S. Senate. This also holds true for covenants and agreements that require United States participation in foreign bodies. In 1918, President Woodrow Wilson was the architect of the League of Nations , an international body that would regulate the conduct of nations. The need for such a League was vital in the eyes of Wilson. But to implement it and have the United States participate in it, the Democratic President needed the confirmation of the Republican Senate. The Senate declined to oblige the President and the United States never became a member of the League of Nation. Without the United States, the League sat hopelessly by watching the clouds of World War Two form over Europe, Africa and Asia. With the outbreak of the war, the League of Nations collapsed. President Franklin Roosevelt, Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and Premiere Josef Stalin formulated a plan to institute the United Nations. President Harry Truman stated immediately after Roosevelt's death that the United Nations concept would go forward. The United Nations was born in San Francisco in 1945. The world headquarters for the United Nation was scheduled to be built in Moraga, California, until the Rockefeller family offered the New York site free. The United Nations power to cancel any action. There is a gathering strength in the United Nations today, that never existed before and that new position does worry some American political observers. More increasingly smaller countries are beginning to dominate votes in the General Assembly. The breakup of the Soviet Union, for instance, could provide a greater voice with each Republic gaining a seat in the United Nations. Already, the nation of Macedonia , part of Yugoslavia, has been admitted. There are more socialist countries in the United Nations now than there are democracies , shifting the balance of power in the General Assembly. When the United States sought support for its invasion of Iraq, it turned to the United Nations and several powers, including the Soviet Union, to unify public opinion. At that time President George Bush referred to such operations as the New World Order. But the Iraqi War was not the driving force for the New World Order, it was the first public showing of such an Order. Going along with the concept of the New World Order, United Nations troops are becoming more active , in Yugoslavia, Somalia, and in Cambodia. President Bush even signed an Executive Order in April 1992 permitting United Nations troops to operate within the boundaries of the United States to quell domestic or international violence that might occur here. Where did President Bush gain the authority for such an Executive Order? The authority can be found in the First Session of the 97th Congress in Senate Treaty Document No. 97-19. On January 17, 1980, while President Jimmy Carter was still in the White House, the President and Senate confirmed the Constitution of the United Nations Industrial Development Organization. The Preamble, Article I (Objectives) and Article 2 (Functions), defines the entire concept of the New World Order , eight years before the election of President Bush and 10 months before the election of Ronald Reagan. The foreign Constitution states that the intent of the New World Order is to "direct, control, finance and subsidize all natural and human resources and agro-related, as well as basic industries...through dynamic social and economic changes...with a view to assisting in the establishment of a new international economic order." The Preamble establishes an oligarchy who will establish "rational and equitable international economic relations". United States currency and coin, used by most standards, would no longer be stablized nor assured of its value. A new economic standard would be implemented. An example of this type of shifting can be seen in Europe with the establishment of the Euro Dollar, which forced several European nations to devalue their currency. The United Nations Industrial Development Organization does not call for general elections. A total of 45 members are elected to a Board of Directors by the General Assembly. There is no guarantee the larger, more industrial nations will be represented on the Board. Since the President and the Senate approved the U.N. Constitution, many laws have been created in this nation under the guise of Executive Orders or, for example, the Crime Bill of 1991, allowing more power to the President in time of domestic or international emergency. Senate Report 93-549 states: "Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of
Re: [CTRL] BILL'S CYNICAL ELIAN PLOY (fwd)
In a message dated 4/20/00 11:58:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Elian Gonzalez is now in a state of imminent danger to his physical and emotional well-being in a home that I consider to be psychologically abusive," wrote Redlener. The Miami relatives aren't even allowing him to speak with his father on the phone. I think that's imminent danger to his emotional well-being. They coach that kind to no end. That is too. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The UFO-Contrail Connection/Trail Creators
http://tracers.8m.com/U-CC.HTM Photos and rest of article on the url. The UFO-Contrail Connection Trail Creators TWISTER TRAIL UFOs Below is a cropped "solarized" enhancement of a photo of a wide twisting contrail above (some of which can be seen it the background) Notice that there are multiple small contrails crossing behind and in front of the larger one. Also take special note of the oval shaped object with a much smaller contrail passing in front of the larger persistent contrail Mid Section of Above Photo Cropped Solarized For Detail [False Color] == Witness Report Of Similar Daytime Object Contrail Near Breckenridge, CO 1998 UFO ROUNDUP Volume 3, Number 5 February 1, 1998 Editor: Joseph Trainor FIREBALL UFOs DOMINATE COLORADO SKIES Colorado's UFO flap roared into its second week with multiple sightings in the central and southern portions of the state. On Friday, January 23, 1998, Jim Roberts spotted "an orange or salmon-colored globe" hovering above his ranch in Cotopaxi (population 75), a small town on Colorado Highway 50 about 148 miles (248 kilometers) south of Denver. He reported, "The object was hovering, dimming and brightening, over the western horizon." Four days later, on Tuesday, January 27, 1998, Marshal Steve Ford was driving in his cruiser near the intersection of Blue River Road and Colorado Highway 9 in Breckenridge (population 1,285) when he spotted "a large fiery object trailed by a plume of smoke." Breckenridge is in central Colorado approximately 83 miles (133 kilometers) west of Denver. "It was a fairly large object that was on fire with smoke that was spiraling off the back of it," Ford told the Denver Post. "My first thought was that it was a meteor." "Ford said the object plummeted more than 1,000 feet. He lost sight of it at tree level." "'It was a vertical shot toward the ground, and I'm sure it impacted the ground,' Ford said." "Leigh Pezzicara, a spokeswoman for Breckenridge Ski Resort, and several guests reported seeing a flare in the area of Peaks 5 and 6. 'However, we really can't confirm what it was,' she said." Rancher "John Fisher was in Breckenridge when he spotted the object. According to Fisher, it created a visible trail that covered a quarter of the sky." Fisher spotted the object just past noontime as he was driving north on Highway 9, near the Breckenridge Building Center. "Although no one saw where the object landed, Fisher believes it hit near Good Pasture Tarn, just west of Breckenridge." (See the Denver Post for January 28, 1998, "Several Report Seeing Its Blazing Path.") Eight hours later, "hours after a 'daytime fireball' was spotted streaking earthward near Breckenridge... several people reported seeing another blazing object south of town that night." "Breckenridge resident John Sperber was driving south on Main Street at about 10:45 p.m. when he and a friend saw a bluish-green fireball streak east to west across the sky." "'It looked like an egg and was so bright we could see some smoke behind it,' Sperber said." = SPEEDY FIREBALL SHOCKS CROWD IN NORTHERN ITALY --The Hickman Report 2/14/00 On Wednesday, November 10, 1999, at about 11:15 p.m., people at the I Portal shopping center In Modena, a large city in Emilia-Romagna province, Italy, about 180 miles north of Rome, spotted a "large shiny luminous object" plunging through the night sky. They saw "a bright luminous object that moved with incredible velocity, following a descending trajectory. The object left a luminous trail with three different colors ranging from an intense white and yellow to a brilliant green." *Italics Are Mine = Unusual Event UV980924 Summed image from 106 captured video images of the unusual event of UT 1998 Sept. 24 (04h 16m 16s). The event lasted 45 seconds and was witnessed by the Astronomy-200 class at the University of Victoria. Witnesses stated that the object was of greenish color and showed a vapor trail approximately 2 degrees long. Tracers Home All Photographs, Images and Material Presented on This Site Is Under Strict Copyright 2000 Living-Tracer Enterprises (Brenda Livingston) All Rights Reserved [Copyrights Are Respected On Material Sent To Us] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] GET FORBES
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Paul Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GET FORBES Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 10:58 AM "They've used McCarthy-ite guilt by association of the worst sort. They've got this big taxpayer funded machine and I've got my pen and notebook." GET FORBES Is the government out to get a reporter who exposed media collusion in anti-drug policy? A freelance reporter shines an unwanted spotlight on financial aspects of a government propaganda campaign which reek of questionable practices and media manipulation. In response, the government agency in charge faxes letters to the editors of the publication that printed his story, and to at least one columnist at another publication and potential market for the freelancer, questioning his credibility, ethics and political positions. A scenario from a dictatorship or from a communist country? No, it's happening right here and now in the U.S.A. The President's Office of Drug Control Policy (ONDCP, or the drug czar's office) is going after the messenger who exposed its policy of paying media organizations to write or air stories favorable to its political strategy The story began when the online magazine Salon ran freelancer Dan Forbes' expose of a deal between the drug czar's office and the TV networks on Jan. 13. Because President Clinton's billion-dollar anti-drug media campaign was paying for spots that Reagan and Bush had gotten for free, the administration needed a justification for essentially creating a jobs program for media workers. They came up with the idea that for every ad the government paid for, the networks would have to air a similarly valued public-service announcement for free. Or, and most insidiously, to avoid this onerous financial requirement, the media could donate politically-correct "anti-drug" programs "in kind." The government, in essence, was paying the media to present its drug policy position; and if the networks and magazines didn't go along, they'd have to give up valuable ad space or time if they wanted government money. "The media are not getting paid to air certain programs," said ONDCP press secretary Bob Weiner, defending the campaign. "Congress mandated a match - that we buy at regular prices but that we negotiate for matching donations from the media. If we did not do that, we would not be following the law. Forbes is incredibly inaccurate. This is not a political issue - it's a save thechildren issue." The drug czar's office was clearly not happy to have Forbes air the details of this arrangement, and for the story to be picked up and front-paged by The New York Times and given major coverage by most news organizations. They were so unhappy that just before Salon ran the most recent part of the investigation, ONDCP assistant director for strategic planning, Robert Housman, sent a letter to Salon's top editors claiming that Forbes was biased. "It is clear that Dan Forbes ...is more than just a disinterested reporter in search of a story," Housman wrote in the letter, faxed on stationery with The Executive Office of the President and a prominent picture of the White House at the top. "Mr. Forbes has been a regular contributor to the Media Awareness Project's Website, an organization that essentially advocates for the legalization of drugs," the letter went on to claim. But anyone who looks at the Media Awareness Project's (MAP) 35,000-plus online clipping collection can see that the majority of articles posted there support the government's position. Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey is a larger "contributor" than Forbes if you count the number of articles written by him that are posted (McCaffrey: 28; Forbes: 7). MAP does not pay anyone to contribute: it simply reprints or links to any drug-policy related story it can find, with hopes of stimulating debate about alternate drug policies. And, why should a reporter who supports legalization be any more biased than one who supports the government anyway? (Forbes, by the way, has not made his position public.) Housman didn't stop at sending his letter to Forbes' bosses at Salon - he also sent it Mark Jurkowitz, media columnist for The Boston Globe and possibly to other media editors and potential markets for Forbes' work. Neither Howard Kurtz of The Washington Post nor Alex Kuczynski of The New York Times received the letter, however, but both were aware that Forbes was under attack. David Talbot, Salon's editor-in-chief, told Jurkowitz that "whatever biases Dan Forbes has about U.S. drug policy... I think the biases were not the driving factor in the stories he did for us... What's really going on here is the White House is coming close to launching a preemptive strike on the reputation of a journalist." Housman further attacked Forbes on the
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
-Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ThePiedPiper 1) frozen bacteria has been found from impacted asteroids. That bacteria has evidently been different enough that when integrated into earth life forms it has changed us. A list like this one is bound to attract the 'barmy army' element, and if you don't take them too seriously, they can be quite amusing. However, it has been pointed out that the purpose of this list is serious research and some valuable work is being done. That may well be the case, I don't know. IF this is a serious discussion list, then when someone posts an unsupported 'fact', it is not at all unreasonable for someone else to ask for a source or verifiable reference for this 'fact'. This is perfectly normal procedure and should come as no surprise to anyone. If, on the other hand, you are going to allow ( and believe) any old rubbish that someone decides is of merit, the list will have no credibility at all and you may as well rename it as 'Conspiracy Fantasy Research List'. Yesterday, I asked Duncan to provide some evidence for a claim he was making. Up to now I have had no response apart from a rather cryptic ' you can take a horse to water' message. I must therefore conclude that his claims are false and he should withdraw them. The above quotation is of a similar vein, I would like to see a valid source for this claim, and I will be more than surprised if one is found. I know that some people will not like my style and find me offensive, I can live with that, but if you don't like what I write, don't open my posts. I am not attacking any individual poster, I always try to play the ball, not the man, but if you are going to forward posts that are plain silly, then you can get what you deserve. (In my opinion.) Silas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
--- Dano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No religion nor science here...just common sense. As I read the Origin of Species, I quickly realized what Darwin was explaining is micro evolution. Adaptation, as well as natural selection neither of which provide a satisfactory explanation how we go from microorganisms to complex, so-called, higher life forms...Macro evolution. So what we got here are two diametrically opposing views: creationism vs. evolution It is painfully obvious that BOTH lack sufficient detail to ascertain accuracy. There are 3 sides to every story, your's, mine and the truth. Maybe if we take the word "theory" out and substitute "model" it would be a little less inflammatory. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Suppressed Archaeological evidence
A list like this one is bound to attract the 'barmy army' element, and if you don't take them too seriously, they can be quite amusing. However, it has been pointed out that the purpose of this list is serious research and some valuable work is being done. That may well be the case, I don't know. Why don't you act professionally then with calm reasoned responses instead of insults, innuendo and the like. Your responses do not reflect those of a 'serious researcher' - your responses reflect those of a person whose 'buttons' are being pushed. IF this is a serious discussion list, then when someone posts an unsupported 'fact', it is not at all unreasonable for someone else to ask for a source or verifiable reference for this 'fact'. This is perfectly normal procedure and should come as no surprise to anyone. If, on the other hand, you are going to allow ( and believe) any old rubbish that someone decides is of merit, the list will have no credibility at all and you may as well rename it as 'Conspiracy Fantasy Research List'. You believe in the theory of evolution despite evidence to the contrary. I choose to look further. Why this pisses you off is beyond me. You are coming close to acting like the thought police that run the rest of our media - oh, I forgot, that is where you get your 'facts' from isn't it? Yesterday, I asked Duncan to provide some evidence for a claim he was making. Up to now I have had no response apart from a rather cryptic ' you can take a horse to water' message. I must therefore conclude that his claims are false and he should withdraw them. I have no intention of proving anything. I am perfectly happy with my research. I publish a magazine that attracts people whose 'story' is ignored by the 'mainstream'. Sure there are plenty of wackos, but there are also those who have their car running on water, or those who have cured themselves of cancer and AIDS, or those who hold social positions of respect who have a seen a UFO and want to know what the * is going on. There are also those who have been told to falsify archaeological, or geological data in the course of their 'research'. If you are at all open-minded, get hold of "Forbidden Archaeology" by Michael Cremo and start there. I know that some people will not like my style and find me offensive, I can live with that, but if you don't like what I write, don't open my posts. I am not attacking any individual poster, I always try to play the ball, not the man, but if you are going to forward posts that are plain silly, then you can get what you deserve. (In my opinion.) Silas Rubbish Silas, you play the man as much as you play the ball. At least be honest with yourself, we can all read for ourselves you know! I will leave you with a copy of the text of an article we published nearly two years ago. You be the judge, you seem pretty good at that. I'll see if I can dig up the photos and post them later. Suppressed Evidence For Ancient Man in Mexico The discovery of tools among fossilised mammoth bones, dated at least 250,000 years old, extends the history of humans in the Americas well beyond the dates accepted by establishment science. by Virginia Steen-McIntyre, PhD © 1998 PO Box 1167 Idaho Springs, CO 80452, USA E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Was someone actively hunting mammoth in Mexico a quarter-million years ago? In this article I give the geologic evidence for such a presence and relate the 25-year ongoing battle I've had with the establishment to get the information out to the public. So, 250,000 years agonot 25,000, but 250,000. Closer to 275,000, actuallyat least that's where the radiometric dates seem to cluster: zircon fission-track dates from two of the overlying volcanic units, and two uranium-series dates from a butchered camel skeleton that was found lying next to some well-made stone tools. No 14C [carbon-14] dates, of coursethe site is much too old for that dating method. And that's just for Hueyatlaco (way-at-LA-co), the youngest of the four sites. Fifteen metres lower in the sedimentary section, exposed only when the water of the reservoir is abnormally low, lies the oldest site, El Horno (el OR-no)a mastodon kill site, that one, found with a slim stone flake still wedged between two of the teeth. Someone had tried to remove one of the molars. When? According to two uranium-series dates on the tooth, some time more than 280,000 years ago! "How exciting! A new discovery?" you ask. No. The uranium-series [U-series] dates were published almost 30 years ago,l and the zircon fission-track dates over 17 years ago.2 But the scientific evidence and radiometric dating methods we geologists used to date the archaeologic sites fly in the face of an entrenched theory that has only lately been seriously questioneda theory that declares that humans have been in the New World (the Americas) only since the end of the last ice
Re: [CTRL] FW: VIRUS IN A MAIL FOR YOU FROM owner-ctrl@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
The virus did NOT come from the CTRL list - it came from a hidden source. Same thing happened to me about six months ago. The address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is faked (spoofed). Note that "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is not the address you receive your other list messages from -- and certainly, the "owner" of the CTRL list is not busy sending viruses directly to you with his address on them. The only possible way to trace the message is to look at the original message header - and /or contact your ISP. Better yet, just keep your virus scanner updated. Best of luck. --- Tara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone get a virus from the list? I don't know what it was. Tara -Original Message- From: root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRUS IN A MAIL FOR YOU FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] V I R U S A L E R T Our Virus scanner found a VIRUS in a mail from "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to you. Delivery of the EMail was stopped! If you require further details please contact RipNET. . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BLOODBATH TONIGHT IN MIAMI? (fwd)
10:38 PM 4-20-2000, Steve wrote: This doesn't make much sense. then it has infinite spin potential! 20 Apr 00, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: BLOODBATH TONIGHT IN MIAMI? Posted By: Rayelan Date: Thursday, 20 April 2000, at 8:02 p.m. In Response To: APRIL 19TH -THE MEMORIAL TO THE OCCULT (Rumor Mill News) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican Cancer Cluster
-- Forwarded message -- From: Libby Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Roy L. Beavers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 Subj: Re: Vatican cancer cluster (Maxey)(Ciccone).. Roy, I was fascinated to read this report about the Vatican radiating the surrounding communities in Rome. When the late Dr. John Goldsmith met with a group of us in San Francisco in August of 1998, he had just returned from a meeting of the International Association of Environmental Epidemiologists. There was a report circulating about the cancer clusters in Rome at that meeting. Dr. Goldsmith predicted we would be hearing more about the cancer clusters around that "major broadcast tower in Rome" soon. Well, here it is, all fully documented, I hope. I agree with Cheryl, though. The church is run like a business in my experience. The Catholic Archdiosese signed on in early 1997 for the revenue producing cell towers on Catholic schools in the Los Angeles area. I doubt the U.S. cardinals and bishops are going to heed the Pope's call for prudent avoidance and break business contracts. Would love to be surprised to learn differently however! From now on, when the Pope calls for total disarmament, greater humanity to man, and more compassionate and peaceful solutions to the world's problems, it will be jarring to note that many of the churches we attend for sanctuary and community worship are also radiating their surrounding communities and causing harm. Libby Kelley Executive Director Council on Wireless Technology Impacts aka ~ Ad Hoc Association of Parties Concerned about the FCC's Radiofrequency Radiation Health and Safety Rules *** PLEASE RESPOND TO CWTI'S POLL ON CELL PHONES, CELL TOWERS AND BROADCAST TOWERS. HELP US SPEAK "TRUTH TO POWER" !! Website: http://www.ccwti.org Phone - 415-892-1863 Fax - 415-892-3108 Address: 936-B Seventh Street, # 206 Novato, California 94945 . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CLINTONGATE: New DNC Phones at White House
http://www.insightmag.com/archive/25096.shtml "All hell will break loose" New DNC Phones at White House By Paul M. Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Insight uncovers FBI Director Freeh's alarm that private detectives hired by Clinton intimates tracked at least one big-time scandal donor. More backup tapes have been found. In the furor about campaign fund-raising tactics used by the Clinton-Gore reelection committee there have been denials, corrections, waffling and tortured legalisms to explain sometimes-bizarre efforts by Bill Clinton and Al Gore to raise money for themselves and the Democratic National Committee, or DNC. The Justice Department's Campaign Task Force has been investigating possible crimes and both FBI Director Louis Freeh and his former deputy, Campaign Task Force head Charles LaBella, repeatedly urged Attorney General Janet Reno to seek an independent counsel because of a pattern of suspected wrongdoing by Gore and other high White House officials. Now Insight has discovered previously unknown DNC telephones inside the White House complex, billing records for which may shed additional light on fund-raising issues still under investigation. Installation of these phone lines could be a violation of federal laws that prohibit the mixing of political and government services on government property, say legal experts. Insight also has learned of the existence of more unknown backup "tapes" of virtually every White House employee's computer. In fact, there are nearly 900 archived external-storage devices containing these materials. And most never have been revealed to federal investigators and/or were not searched or inventoried by the White House as required under subpoena throughout the Clinton-Gore scandals. These backup "tapes" include, for example, information copied by external drives and technicians from computers once used by Billy Dale (the former White House Travel Office director), Leon Panetta (the former White House chief of staff), Craig Livingstone (the former White House security director) and Harold Ickes (the former White House deputy chief of staff). Some of the "tapes" are secreted within the White House complex, while others are stored at an off-site facility in Greenbelt, Md. The House Government Reform Committee, chaired by Rep. Dan Burton of Indiana, has conducted numerous hearings and obtained thousands of records from federal law-enforcement investigators detailing potential crimes committed at the White House by a variety of government and political figures, including the president and vice president. Burton is furious at what he regards as out-and-out obstruction of justice. As Insight reported April 12 on its Webwire (www.insightmag.com), a House Judiciary subcommittee chaired by Rep. Charles Canady, a Florida Republican, now also is looking to obtain previously unknown memos from Freeh and LaBella related to their ignored calls for an independent counsel. After an April 13 meeting of his subcommittee, Canady struck a bargain with the Justice Department to delay issuing subpoenas pending further talks with Reno's senior aides, including Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder. But the pot is boiling. As Congress continues to search for secreted documents, the Insight investigation of mysteriously "lost" White House e-mails and "missing" White House long-distance telephone records is turning up still more surprises. Investigators say the recovered documents will be extremely helpful in determining who has not told the truth about key conversations and transactions. Issues include perjury, conspiracy and obstruction of justice. As Insight has been reporting since December 1998, White House principals were aware two years ago that the allegedly "missing" evidence had not been turned over as required under the subpoenas (see "Looking for Information in All the Wrong Places" and "Computer Glitch Leads to Trove of `Lost' E-Mails at White House," Dec. 28, 1998.). And in late 1998 Panetta's office confirmed to Insight not only the existence of the now-controversial e-mails but the long-distance telephone records as well. Now Insight has confirmed from one of its many interviews with federal investigators that Panetta also knew about one or two telephone lines installed at the White House for direct communications with the DNC. During questioning, the former California congressman also revealed knowledge about telephone solicitations made by Clinton and Gore during 1996 fund-raising efforts. He said he knew little about the actual calls but was aware of a special phone in the West Wing and another elsewhere. He couldn't remember where. Clinton has said that he did make calls on behalf of the DNC and, presumably, for his own reelection committee, but he claimed he didn't do it often and couldn't remember when or where. Gore has said that he, too,
[CTRL] CLINTONGATE: the hero of Project X ?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_sperry_news/2419_xnspy_did_h ouse_.shtml ALL THE PRESIDENT'S SCANDALS Did House panel fry good guy? Memos reveal Burton's e-mail perjurer acted more like the hero of Project X By Paul Sperry Wednesday, April 19, 2000 © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON -- The White House official singled out by a House committee for wrong-doing in the Project X e-mail fiasco was the one official who consistently lobbied higher-ups to fix the problem, memos obtained by WorldNetDaily reveal. The House Government Reform Committee last month sent the Justice Department a criminal referral for perjury against White House Computer Specialist Daniel "Tony" Barry. It's been turned over to the campaign-finance task force for review, a Justice spokesman says. Panel chairman Dan Burton, R-Ind., asked Justice to prosecute Barry for allegedly lying in a 1999 sworn statement. He claims Barry falsely certified that White House e-mail had been properly archived, when it hadn't. In fact, the White House failed to record -- and search under subpoena requests -- more than 1 million e-mails and attached documents sent to at least 526 staffers, including President Clinton and his top aides, as well as to at least 200 staffers whose first names start with the letter "D." The gaps span a period from August 1996 to May 1999. What's worse, nearly all e-mail to and from Vice President Al Gore and at least 24 of his staffers has been omitted from archives. High-level White House officials have known they had, at minimum, an isolated e-mail records-keeping problem as early as January 1998. And they've known of a systemic problem since June 1998, when Northrop Grumman computer contractors diagnosed it and alerted them. Yet they elected not to tell Congress, Justice, a federal court or the Office of Independent Counsel about the yawning gap in records -- even though the investigative bodies had subpoenaed the White House for e-mail relevant to their various probes of White House scandals. Major news about Project X broke two months ago after a former White House official and non-government computer technicians blew the whistle in court affidavits. But Burton may have put the wrong White House official on the hook for the mushrooming scandal. If there was one official who didn't cover up the gap, it was Barry, internal White House memos show. He repeatedly sounded alarms over the problem -- namely the failure of the White House computerized archiving system, known as ARMS, to capture e-mail coming into the critical "Mail2" server used by Clinton and other West Wing officials. "This is a followup to our discussions on Tuesday regarding 'the mail2 problem' or project X," Barry began an Aug. 13, 1998, memo to Jim Wright, one of his superiors in the White House Office of Administration. "As far as I can tell, there is no movement under way to fix the problem and recover the lost records from the backup tapes," Barry continued. "I feel that the records must be recreated and any searches need to be reperformed if the requestors feel it is necessary. "This seems like a daunting proposition but I do not see any other alternative," Barry said. "I feel that I cannot walk away from this problem." He closed by saying: "I appologize[sic] for the rambling nature of this memo but I hope it captures my concerns and frustration level." In a Sept. 10, 1998, memo to Wright and Kathy Gallant, another Office of Administration official, Barry wrote: "I am growing increasingly concearned[sic] about the seeming lack of movement on the Mail2 problem." "Do you know where the hold up is.[sic] We have known about this problem for 4 months now and not a single record has passed to ARMS," Barry complained. "[E]ven worse, the root problem has not been fixed." Then a clearly frustrated Barry, who was the computer expert in charge of White House records projects, followed up with another memo on Sept. 25, 1998. "It has been about 2 week[sic] since I sent my last 'concerned memo' regarding the mail2 problem and I am still not seeing any movement on fixing the problem," he wrote to Wright and Gallant. "I need to know, for my own sanity, exactly what my role in this project should be." 'Trouble reports' In December 1998, Barry even came up with a cost proposal for fixing the problem. "Mail2 reconstruction (Project X) ... 99 cost ... 650,000 ... 2000 cost ... 1,000,000," read a line item that Barry typed in a spreadsheet that included cost estimates for other projects. It apparently went over like a lead balloon. Barry was ordered by the Office of Administration's budget department to "remove the 'project X' designation" from the spreadsheet. By March 1999, Barry was still nagging his supervisors about e-mail archiving problems. "It has come to my attention that when the 'bleeding' was stopped on MAIL2 in November
Re: [CTRL] Suppressed Archaeological evidence
Duncan, As I recall, I asked you to support you claims with some sort of references as I thought you were talking out of your arse. In your post, you not only fully source all of your claims, you give all of the references AND a long verbatim quotation from the original author of this work. I think that I could hardly ask for more, Thank you. Silas PS Any good tips for removing egg from ones face? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (mary) - Very Strong Divisive Cards are being played
Xtian = Christian Though, if so - it would be hardly limited to those circles - as was the y2k charade. - Original Message - From: "Mary" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Very Strong Divisive Cards are being played At 12:07 AM 4/21/00 EDT, Kris wrote: To all, Be wary, very strong divisive psychological sets are being "memed" into the our body politic. This is a very interesting post. But I don't really understand exactly what you are referring to. Could you maybe give some example of the psychological sets being memeed?(aside from the Elian Extravaganza) A very strong xtian card plus the traditional homophobias and other emotive "gut" issues. What is an xtian card? Can't find it in the dictionary. Operation Scream? As in Allende's Chile . . . Look for "calls" about 1/1/2001 in the frentic xtian circles. What does this mean? Calls? 1/1/2001? Thanks for clarifying. Best, Mary A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
As I said, I'm sorry to have shattered some childish illusion that you had about something you thought was fact, which science says there no empirical evidence for. Frankly, the only "jerk" (as you say) I've come across on this list to date is your ridiculously silly self. Hmmm ... "boring" sounds like a Freudian glitch - Its fun exposing pious frauds and Disinformation agents like you. Though my preference is to post on issues, rather than on your glib persona. And although I've said it three times - I'll say it a FOURTH, just for that ninny-nong cranial cavity of yours. I posted scientific quotes from reputable scientists about a philosophy, which influences the thinking of human beings, corporations, governments, and et al worldwide. A philosophy, which has been used, as an excuse to murder millions. A THEORY, which scientists, contrary to you unsubstantiated beliefs - themselves say, has NO EMPIRICAL evidence. Just as one would, for example, file evidence that the Vatican was influential and involved with top Nazi's in Germany - without turning it into your personal abuse, or your pseudo-religious gobbledegook. I never mentioned "creationism" or "religion" - you did. The only one that has made of it a religious debate is you - not me. You are obviously some kind of troll and a fanatic religionist - you even attempted to use "Jesus" in your noxious, inaccurate and irreverent diatribe as "proof" for - well, no one really knows what. You're a complete WEIRDO! Others here have expressed their thoughts to my thread - without resorting to rudeness, as did your original puerile post. They expressed their opinion, moved on, and that was that - you, on the other hand wanted simply to be a prat, be rude and gag free speech. You've been exposed as a cretin, and gagger of free speech - by your own words and activities. I can keep responding to your hypocrisy for as long as you wish- if you want to leave your fanaticism here, stick a sock in that overworked gob, and go back to you paranoid "conspiracy" (aka censorship) drivel - now that's fine - no problems. But I'm also always willing to make time to defend freedom of speech from prattling egomaniacal twats, self-appointed censors, and internet trolls like you - that's no problem either. - Original Message - From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK! Look, I'm not going to debate evolution vs creationism with you here. This is not the right place. This place is for conspiracy theory. If you want to talk about conspiracy theory, we can talk about conspiracy theory. We can talk about it here. This is the place to talk about conspiracy theory. If you want to debate evolution vs creationism, do it somewhere else. Do it with somebody else. I don't want to debate evolution vs creationism with you or with anybody else, here or anywhere. We're not going to change each other's minds. All we would accomplish would be to waste each other's time. If we do it in public, on this list at least, we'd also waste a bunch of other people's time. I don't want to waste other people's time, even yours. If you do, you're a jerk. You may have time to waste, but I don't. Even if I did have time to waste, I fail to see any sound reason I should waste it on you. You're boring. You're also off topic. Take this evolution vs creationism debate to an appropriate venue. This is not the appropriate venue. Appropriate venues are available. Find one. Do it now. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion
[CTRL] nessie TROLLS! - Forum Adim???
TROLLS! - Forum Adim??? Dear Mr forum Admin; Would you please advise on forum policy regarding TROLLS? It appears I have picked up one of these awful big-eared galoot buggers - on this forum. Some TROLL that prattles under the name of "nessie" has leeched itself onto my gluteus maximus - (Hmmm . probably the right place for it actually) I'm not certain if s/he posts under other pseudonyms - as these TROLLS seem to oft do -perhaps you could check s/her IP address -this TROLL agent provocateur may have targeted others here as well - they have small brains with little self control. I wonder if you might remind "nessie" TROLL that generally, TROLLS like "nessie" bring disrepute to forums. It seems s/he has little regard for being civil and dealing with issues but - to quote s/his words, wants to "attack the person" as was this TROLLS response to another - a female poster in fact. I will exercise my right to defence - and continue with my clever and incisive repartee in exposing TROLL "nessie's" hateful waffle so long as I am victimised by this odious egoist. However, my preference is to spend my time posting on issues, rather than responding to paranoiac imbeciles like "nessie" TROLL - (btw - she's also delusional - posted that she thinks there are spooks on s/her tail - what a wacko!) I have no wish to be a self-appointed censor and gagger of free speech, as does TROLL "nessie" - I believe she has a right state a case without abuse. Perhaps she's just having a bad time-of-the-month - I don't know. So perhaps -Mr Admin, you might use your great wisdom and remind "nessie" the TROLL, of the forum dictum "Let us please be civil .". TROLLS like "nessie" aren't, especially when this TROLL is so bald-faced and they boast that they "attack the person"- she needs to be put in her place. Thank you. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Suppressed Archaeological evidence
Duncan, As I recall, I asked you to support you claims with some sort of references as I thought you were talking out of your arse. In your post, you not only fully source all of your claims, you give all of the references AND a long verbatim quotation from the original author of this work. I think that I could hardly ask for more, Thank you. Silas PS Any good tips for removing egg from ones face? You removed any egg with your post above. Enjoy the article. regards Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Say - DUNCAN Roads ... ?
You're from "down under" right? And involved in all that New Agey Nexus Magazine kinda stuff - right? I heard on the radio the other day that your magazine was funded by the Right Wing, some say Neo-Nazi, League of Rights in Aussie land - any truth to that report? Just curious to set the record straight. I've had a similar impression myself, especially when you used to flog all that D'Icke drivel! Now weren't he the picture of an Aryan god - blonde, blue-eyed - them luscious lipthz - I could hardly resist buying the mag when pics of him were spread inside! But what was worse - was when that internet cross-dresser, Ivan "I am DOROTHY" Fraser, stilettoed into the fray and in your support - this is the guy that publicly likened Jews to bloodsucking "VAMPIRES". Were you aware of this Neo-Nazi comment by the way - very strange bedfellow to have Dunks - imho. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fidel talks of Worldwide Apartheid
Summit opposes worldwide apartheid "WHILE before we spoke of apartheid in Africa, today we can speak of apartheid in a world where four billion people are deprived of the most elemental human rights: to life, health care, education, safe drinking water, housing, employment, and hope for their own and their children's future," emphasized President Fidel Castro during the closing session of the South Summit. "We are struggling for the poor countries' most sacred rights, but also for the salvation of the First World, which is incapable of guaranteeing the existence of the human species, of governing itself amidst its contradictions and selfish interests. Only through our struggle can we keep the boat which is this world from crashing into an iceberg and drowning us all," he insisted. Speaking to the heads of state and government and delegations attending the first summit of the Group of 77, Fidel reiterated the Third nations' proposals and aspirations in their struggle for achieving development in a globalized world with an unequal and unjust economic order. At the start of his speech, which lasted barely 20 minutes, Fidel expressed his admiration for the unity of criteria he observed among the Third World leaders. He noted that the Summit's discussions revealed the talent of the leaders of this community of nations, and their ability to bring together ideas and experiences. At the same time, the discussions confirmed the depth of the crisis facing these nations and the difficulties and calamities their peoples suffer. Fidel noted the unanimous opinion that globalization benefits only 20% of the world population, barely aiding the other 80%, and that the gap between rich and poor countries is growing larger. There is also unanimity, he noted, around the idea that the United Nations and the international financial system should be transformed. He denounced the trade system which is unequal and unjust for the countries of the South, the failure to provide promised government development aid, difficulties in gaining access to know-how and technology, and the shameless brain drain. He said that there is a widespread demand that the Third World debt should be considerably reduced, if not completely eliminated, which would be the fairest thing to do. Just 1% of the income from speculative operations would be enough to finance Third World development. "Don't listen to anyone who tells you that it wouldn't be possible," the Cuban president warned. He charged that in this century of great advances in communications and science, there are still hundreds of millions of people who are hungry, malnourished, illiterate, unemployed or sick. Furthermore, there are colossal numbers of children with insufficient weights and heights for their age, without schools or medical care, and obliged to do hard labor. Fidel summarized the consensus of this summit, which was aimed at joining forces, strategies and forms of coordinating efforts, with the goal of guaranteeing the South's economic rights. http://www.granma.cu/ingles/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say - DUNCAN Roads ... ?
On Friday, April 21, 2000 6:52 AM, David Sutherland [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: And involved in all that New Agey Nexus Magazine kinda stuff - right? I heard on the radio the other day that your magazine was funded by the Right Wing, some say Neo-Nazi, League of Rights in Aussie land - any truth to that report? Now weren't he the picture of an Aryan god But what was worse - was when that internet cross-dresser, Ivan "I am DOROTHY" Fraser, stilettoed into the fray and in your support - this is the guy that publicly likened Jews to bloodsucking "VAMPIRES". Mr. Sutherland - You like labeling, don't you? When you put a label on someone you don't have to get to know the person. You are finished before you start. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: VIRUS IN A MAIL FOR YOU FROM owner-ctrl@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
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Re: [CTRL] Say - DUNCAN Roads ... ?
You're from "down under" right? yes David And involved in all that New Agey Nexus Magazine kinda stuff - right? NEXUS Magazine is not 'new agey' - pick up any copy or visit the website and read for youself I heard on the radio the other day that your magazine was funded by the Right Wing, some say Neo-Nazi, League of Rights in Aussie land - any truth to that report? Total rubbish. I own the magazine with my partner, Catherine. I come from an organic agriculture, meditation/health food, environmental background, with leanings described by most readers as left-wing if anything. I earned the wrath of the Australia-Israel Review mob in Melbourne, Australia. For those who don't know this bunch, let me just say that if you ask any Jew in Melbourne about the AIR they will tell you (with distaste) that the Australia-Israel Review people are rabid, right-wing extremists, funded by some of Australia's wealthiest Jews. These are the people who helped fund Netanyahu and his policies into power. I earned their wrath because during a couple of visits to international conferences in Libay I displayed pro-Palestinian sentiments. At the same time I am NOT anti-Jewish or anti-Israeli. I am pro-peace, and this put me at odds with one particular journalist named David Grearson, especially after I rejected his sexual advances (graciously too I thought) one night at a hotel in Tripoli. David has since engaged in a vendetta to link me and the whole-new age movement to some vast conspiracy theory, (all time claiming that all conspiracy theorists are right-wing neo-nazis- so work out his logic for yourself). Nevertheless, our David has the ear of powerful men, and "journalists" such as Philip Adams (I put "journalists" because Philip Adams displays the level of journalism as Rupert Murdoch's Sunday papers, ie NO research, lots of rhetoric, and outright lies). I've had a similar impression myself, especially when you used to flog all that D'Icke drivel! Now weren't he the picture of an Aryan god - blonde, blue-eyed - them luscious lipthz - I could hardly resist buying the mag when pics of him were spread inside! You are obviously out-of-the-rest of the internet loop. I have NEVER published anything by Icke. I did review one of his books. At present, there is a virtual war between Icke and myself. Icke and his loyalists maintain that the world is run by shape-shifting reptilians. Maybe that is so, I don't know. But Icke is also saying that Secharia Sitchin and Laurence Gardner are reptiles also. I disagreed, having met Gardner several times at length. I said so, and shit has hit the fan. But what was worse - was when that internet cross-dresser, Ivan "I am DOROTHY" Fraser, stilettoed into the fray and in your support - this is the guy that publicly likened Jews to bloodsucking "VAMPIRES". So you do know of the conflict? Surely you know that you are writing drivel then. Funnily enough, David Grearson's tactics are the same as yours, guilt by association. I didn't ask Ivan Fraser to defend me, so what is your point. You don't happen to KNOW David Grearson by any chance - you have a similar style there you realise, David Grearson is just the sort of person who would know if Ivan Fraser was a cross dresser or not. Were you aware of this Neo-Nazi comment by the way - very strange bedfellow to have Dunks - imho. Of course I know this nonsense. I have had shopkeepers in Brighton, England threatened with fire-bombing for selling NEXUS because they were told that NEXUS was a neo-nazi magazine. I put to you the challenge I put to anyone with half-a brain - read any issue for yourself and see if you can find anything right-wing in it. So for the record, and for those too lazy to read NEXUS you will just have to take my word for it: I am not neo nazi, anti-jewish, right-wing, left-wing, or new age. I am not a freemason, a CIA agent, a grey alien, or a shapeshifting reptilian alien. I am an ordinary guy who for 25 years has been fascinated by what the media don't tell you, and why they don't tell it. regards Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL
[CTRL] Nationalism vs Hegemony
From the Times (UK)
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April 21 2000
EUROPE
France resists 'dictatorship by ugly America'
FROM CHARLES BREMNER IN PARIS
A BOMB death at McDonald's, a rash of anti-Yankee bestsellers, and media
gloating over the woes of Wall Street have intensified transatlantic worries
over a new spasm of anti-American feeling in France.
Bashing America has returned with a vehemence not seen since the Vietnam War
era of the 1960s.
The choice of a McDonald's restaurant for a fatal bomb attack in Brittany on
Wednesday rang alarm bells at the American Embassy in Paris after a month which
has seen the US reacting with wounded indignation to a rising chorus of
criticism.
Copyright 2000 Times Newspapers Ltd.
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April 21 2000
EUROPE
Germany plans mass deportation of Kosovo exiles
BY ROGER BOYES
GERMAN authorities are preparing to deport tens of thousands of Kosovo refugees
if they fail to leave the country voluntarily with the help of repatriation
grants of about £700 cash per family.
The move reflects the new toughness of German regional states - notably but not
exclusively Bavaria - in dealing with immigration. An interior ministry
spokeswoman in the state of Lower Saxony, said: "They have been told their
short-term residence permits will not be extended and that they are required to
leave."
Some 160,000 Kosovo Albanians are affected throughout Germany. Critics say that
returning the refugees will destabilise the Balkans.
Germany took in some 350,000 refugees from the war in Bosnia, around half of
whom have returned. Tens of thousands more arrived because of the Kosovo
conflict.
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[CTRL] The Ultimate PR Challenge
From http://www.apc.org.nz/pma/sshea.htm
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Jamie Shea on 'the Ultimate PR Challenge'
31 March 2000
Selling a Conflict -- the Ultimate PR Challenge
BERN, Switzerland. Jamie Shea, NATO spokesman during the Kosovo war, recently
gave a talk to business leaders, titled: "Selling a Conflict -- the Ultimate PR
Challenge". With unusual bluntness, Shea talked about the 78 days of his media
success.
One has to win the public opinion, said Shea, and this isn't a simple task
while violating the sovereignity of a state. The "collateral damages"
endangered the public opinion in favor of NATO, but the pictures of refugees on
all TV channels restored the public opinion, according to Shea.
War as a Soap Opera
Shea said that the public loves daily soap operas with good characters, and
that's what he gave to the public. How well he did this job, is shown by the
fact that people still recognize him today wherever he goes. The media star
Shea also boasted that he was recently nominated as one of the "10 sexiest men
in the world" by a magazine.
The media had Jamie Shea, NATO had the media. On the other side was Milosevic,
with no media briefings and ever-changing spokespersons -- giving a bad image
in the media.
The former NATO spokesman said his daily TV briefings were a big challenge. His
task was to convey as many details as possible -- from the cockpit video to the
angle of missile impact -- without committing any mistakes, in order not to
lose credibility. [ha, ha]
4:2 for NATO
What made his challenging task even more difficult was the fact that the
briefings also happened while the bombings paused during bad weather. The Brit
Shea compared this problem with a cricket match during rain -- the sports
reporter still has to keep reporting on the pursuit of the match, although
nothing is happening on the playfield. Shea said that he used these 'breaks' to
explain again who's the good guy and who's the bad guy.
According to Shea, an important principle is: "If you don't have a story, make
a story." For instance, on a slack day, Shea organised the visit of the First
Ladies Clinton and Blair in a refugee camp. These images were gladly reported
by CNN, Shea mentioned. OTOH, on an important day of war actions, Shea made
sure that a meeting of ministers did not happen at the same time as the NATO
media briefing, in order not to deflect media attention.
On day 78 -- when the bombings ended -- NATO won the war; not 5:0, according to
Shea, but 4:2. "It's like with Rocky II: Only the result is what counts. In
hindsight, mistakes are unimportant." In his speech, Shea didn't say anything
about the victims of the war and the ongoing serious problems in Kosovo.
[Translation of an article by Charlotte Walser in Swiss newspapers --CR]
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Another example of putting people in charge to effect the results of (an)
agenda(e) that bear little fruit in terms of results or direct affect -- except
for those in the limelight (i.e., for those in charge). Note the number of
Euro countries -- including Shea's own darling Britland -- who have caused
refugee crises and now are enforcing the return of 'their' refugees. Shea's
claimed 'celebrity' maight be compared to that of others acting outside the
law, like on wanted posters. AER
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Re: [CTRL] Vatican Cancer Cluster
Electronic Telegraph, Wednesday April 19, 2000: Vatican Radio programmes are broadcast all over the world from a forest of antennae at Santa Maria di Galera, near Cesano, a northern suburb of Rome. Residents have reported the complex to magistrates dozens of times and doctors who examined the cause of 7,500 deaths over six years in Cesano found the incidence of tumours was 30 per cent higher than the national average. Forwarded message From: "Roy L. Beavers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: emfguru [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 Subj: Vatican radio cancer (Cherry).. ...Many thanks to Dr. Cherry for the following. Is the Pope listening.??? Roy Beavers (EMFguru) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- From: Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 Subj: Vatican radio cancer Dear Roy, When I was in Rome last December I met the author of a paper on leukaemia around the Vatican radio tower. The abstract of that paper is here. (Below) It confirms the UK studies of Dolk et al. (1997) in the American Journal of Epidemiology. In that case the authors did not appreciate that the only cancer which was high near the tower and then declines with distance, was adult leukaemia at the Sutton Coldfield tower. It was the only high powered tower, in a high population area with FM radio transmissions. FM radio irradiates the ground inside 1 km but the UHF TV transmissions peak outside 1 km in a broad, undulating fashion, just like the leukaemia at all the other towers. Hence the Dolk studies show consistent results of leukaemia and many other cancers that follow the radial RF radiation patterns. With this results and the Hocking et al (1996) result, it is indicative of a causal relationship between extremely low mean intensity RF exposure and cancer, especially leukaemia. Regards Neil Cherry - 1998 Annual conference of ISEE and ISEA Epidemiology, July 1998, Vol 9, Number 4, Supplement 354 P RISK OF LEUKENUA AND RESEDENCE NEAR A RADIO TRANSMNTER IN ITALY. P Micholozzi. C Ancona, D Fusco, F Forastiere, CA Perucci. Department of Epidemiology, Regional Health Authority, Ronie, Italy. Background: An association between leukaemia and exposure to low frequency magnetic fields has been reported in several studies. On this basis, there is scientific and public concern about the risk offing near high power radio transmitters. Recent studies have suggested a possible relationship between leukaemia and residential proximity to radio-television transmitters. We conducted a small area study to investigate a cluster of leukaemia near a high power radio-transmitters in a peripheral area of Rome. Methods: The study area was defined as a 10 km radius circle around the transmitter, with a population of 30165 (Census 1991). The source of data was a regional Geographic Information System including mortality, population, and socio-economic data by census tract. An area of 3.5 km close to the transmitter and nine bands of increasing distance from the transmitter, using 0.5 km radius increment up to 10 km, were defined. Observed/expected number of cases, adjusted for 5-year age-group and socio-economic level were computed in the area 0-3.5 Km and in the nine bands. These data were used to test the decline in risk at different distances from the radio transmitter. A trend specific test (Stone's conditional test) was performed; the significance level was determined using Monte Carlo simulations. Results: The leukaemia mortality within 3.5 km (5,863 inhabitants) was higher than expected (SMR=2.5, 95% confidence interval 1.07-4.83); the excess was due to a significant higher mortality among men (7 cases observed, SMR=3.5). The results of the Stone's test after adjusting for socio-economic confounding, showed a significant decline in risk with distance from the transmitter only among men (p=0.005), whereas the p-value for both sexes was p=0.07. Discussion: The present ecological study has a small number of cases, and there is the possibility of confounding from socio-demographic, occupational, and environmental factors. However these findings are interesting since similar results have been reported in previous studies. Original message http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000161213823310rtmo=lQokbSStatm o=pg=/et/00/4/19/wvat19.html Cancer cluster blamed on powerful Vatican radio transmitters By Bruce Johnston in Rome Electronic Telegraph, Wednesday April 19, 2000 RADIO transmitters operated by the Vatican are under official investigation over claims that electromagnetic pollution is causing cancer among local residents. Vatican Radio programmes are broadcast all over the world from a forest of antennae at Santa Maria di Galera, near Cesano, a northern suburb
[CTRL] Fwd: RMNEWS ELIAN RESCUE MISSION HIDING SOMETHING FAR BIGGER
John Hersey is Skull Bones. Om K In a message dated 4/20/00 11:32:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who have never heard of John Hersey's book, White Lotus ===RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY=== IS THE THREAT OF AN ELIAN RESCUE MISSION HIDING SOMETHING FAR BIGGER? April 20, 2000 From Rayelan: Dear Rumor Mill News Readers, The following was sent to me by a regular reader. After reading it, I was prompted to put into words EVERYTHING I was told today. My sources gave me a lot more information than I put into the first email -- I will add the rest of their information after the following -- From a Rumor Mill News Reader: === Hi: I have been calling the Gore office for the past two weeks posing as a concerned Democrat, (which is not the case) stating to them that our family and others, Mexicans, Jews, etc. will NOT vote for Gore if Elian is taken from Miami. I have other friends calling too. Their office was very upset and may be putting the pressure on in INS and Reno because of the Nov. election. They , the leftists, pro-commies, are worried that Gore may not be elected because the U.S. Mexicans are turning against Clinton/Gore/Reno on this issue of Elian being taken from Miami and the leftists don't want bad press, because they want their votes in Calif. and the Cubans' votes in Fla. , which they will not get if he is stolen from the Miami house. The toll-free number for Congress and Gore is 1-888-449-3511. Keep bombarding them with calls! Have all your people call Gore's office on Fri. to say they will NOT vote for Gore if he does not pressure Clinton and Reno to keep Elian in Miami, and also call all the Demos. Reps. who are for keeping him in Miami away from the clutches of his Father, who is really Castro, and tell them that we agree that he should be kept in Miami for his safety. Thanks, From Rayelan: After I read this email from a colleague, I felt I needed to tell the rest of what I was told today. Two separate people imparted information today. Both agreed that what the people in power are really afraid of is not Miami riots -- it is something else -- something so big that the people in power will do anything to keep the lid on it -- In other words -- keeping our attention focused on Elian -- will keep our attention off something else -- If the "Elian Rescue Mission" turns into a Waco type standoff-- the media will be tied up for weeks -- maybe months -- This will give the people in power the time to try to disfuse the scandal that is just about to leap full blown into public awareness. While riots over Elian are going on -- the American people won't have any idea what is really happening -- I was also being told today that a low yield, back pack nuke may be used in LA -- not above ground -- but below -- to cause an earthquake. Shortly after I was told this, I received an email from Mitch Battos stating that the conditions going on around the earth -- as caused by the sun -- could cause earthquakes. The big Southern California earthquake -- in the early 90's -- the one that caused the earth to shoot straight up and then fall back, was probably caused by a very small nuclear device. I bet that one was just a test run -- Can you imagine what would happen if a medium size -- low yield nuclear device was used to cause an earthquake in the LA basin? Placed in the right location -- this quake could even open a fissure to the ocean -- and the LA Basin would slowly become a lake -- This lake could eventually fill up other California low lands -- maybe even the bread basket of the world -- the San Joaquin valley -- Something that farmers in the southern part of the Valley know, is that there is a virus attacking certain crops. No one is talking about it -- but could flooding the area keep the virus from spreading to the rest of the nation? That could be the cover story that is being given to the planning group to get them to go along with a nuclear created LA earthquake -- sacrifice thousands to save millions -- I think Truman used the same story when he dropped the bombs on Japan. However -- it is my belief that the virus is PART of the plan to keep the United States from being able to grow its own food -- If someone is trying to flood an area of California -- their cover tory -- just in case the truth about the fake earthquake ever came out -- would be that our government was trying to isolate the virus and keep it from spreading. I won't believe the cover story. I don't think that whoever is behind detonating a low yield, medium size nuke in the LA area -- in order to cause an earthquake -- would do this to STOP the plan to end agriculture in The United States -- The "End of Agriculture in the United States" is vital to the implementation of the One World Government. Americans will have to depend on other countries for their food. When this happens -- Americans won't be able to launch wars or exploit
[CTRL] Phoenix Five Earth Change Bulletin
Phoenix Five Earth Change Bulletin #30 All Points Release 5-18-2000 NOTE: The best form of this info is in the attached Acrobat PDF file. This info is also on the web at http://www.aa.net/~mwm/library/earthchanges/ecbmay2000.htm Concerning 5/5/2000 ~ mwm Much has been made of 5/5/2000. Far too much. The speculative exploration and thinking about a pole shift on that date has been very good. But now there are circles of people beginning to spin out in hysteria from fear of a pole shift caused by the planetary alignments of 5/5/2000. Help me therefore to pour healing oils upon these turbulent waters. If what follows makes sense to you, please share it in any way which pleases you. Pass this message as widely and as far as you can. UPFRONT BOTTOM LINE: There will be no pole shift related to the conjunctions of 5/5/2000. In the long run, I am the ultimate earth change bear. I am not pooh-poohing the pole shift nor the millennial prophecies. I have many open eyes. I have scientifically demonstrated, with more exact and more accurate science than the mythologists of ice ages and the business-as-usual preachers in the church of geology, that the pole shift prediction has odds of at least 85% and I am going to bet with "the house" on this one. But it is not May 2000. In the short run of the next several months, I am optimistic. In the third book of the Return of the Phoenix I spent some 600 pages assaying the collective intelligence and record of humanity to determine the nature, memory, and details related to pole shifts. Actually these pole shifts are avalanches of the crust and it is reasonably clear that they are "recurring phenomenon" which occur in similar ways in accordance with a "regular mechanism." All of this is outlined in the last half of my book. To summarize, I am absolutely certain that the avalanche mechanism will provide advance warnings of 30-90 days of RECORD-BREAKING volcanism and waves of earthquakes which will frighten the hell out of practically everybody because so much with great intensity will begin to appear "out of nowhere." This one-liner is the bottom-liner of about 300 pages of the Prophecies book. It is not made lightly, it is made after five years of assiduous research. We are not in such a period and there is not the slightest hint of such omens appearing in the next few weeks. We are not moving into such a period. Things are quiet and there is a good reason for that. This correlates exactly with the celestial forces which are in motion currently which I will outline below. In Chapter 47 of Book Three I lay out the main factors related to "Timing and the Breath of Brahma" which cause an avalanche of the crust. For awhile it was up for review but I removed the Chapter from the web as I began to sell the Trilogy. Removing it may have been a mistake and so for the next three weeks it will be on the Internet to help those who need some re-assuring. Please have all of the people who are whipping up May 5, 2000 hysteria read this open letter and then read the chapter. Make sure Mitch Battros of Earth Changes TV and hundreds of channelers and others are buried in references to this chapter. The man insists on ignoring me and I absolutely will not be ignored. Please bury him in common sense before he jumps off a bridge. Before outlining the simple basics, let us clear out the garbage. There is no mysterious "photon" belt. There is no unknown planet nor star which is suddenly going to appear out of nowhere and swing by the earth. There is no hierarchy of gods which controls the phenomenon which is doing this for our own good. There is no obscure cosmic cycle which can be defined by counting dates on calendars deduced from obscure Hebrew mystics or Mayan shamans. There is no quatrain of Nostradamus which points to a pole shift in connection with any visible omen. There is no obscure power in the planets and their signs which can induce this pole shift. This is not being influenced by what humans think or don't think. All such thinking along these lines is looking down and playing with sticks in wet gooey cowpies. There is nothing nowhere which demonstrates even a hint of suspicion for the usefulness of any of these ideas. I know running into brick walls are tuff and for some of you the absolutes I am defining here is one of the hard brick walls which you detest. You will have to learn to put hard rubber on your thinking processes so that you can crawl up over this brick wall. Here is the rubber and you will be glad you put it on. We start with the simple proposition that eventually the mass on the earth's outer crust becomes progressively more and more uneven, eventually forcing the crust to tilt and thus changing the location of the pole. Driving this action are the variations in the orbital motions of the sun and the moon, whose constantly changing gravity influences on the earth cause the location of the pole to slowly creep and change year by year, causing all
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
Get ready for some reading also if you need links for this I will post - Do you know that a Noble Prize was given for finding out that bacteria does reproduce in many ways INCLUDING Sexually? I have those links in this essay http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/esevol3b.html Here are your citations for frozen bacteria - A educational course for credit that asks the same question I do 1) Asteroids, Comets, and Meterorites: Their Intimate Relation with Life on Earth http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1996/6/96.06.03.x.html 2)http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc012700.html This is copyrighted materia from the cambridge-conference network ..."According to Chyba, when these ions slam into the icy surface of the moon, chemical reactions are likely to occur, transforming frozen molecules of water and carbon dioxide into new organic compounds such as formaldehyde. It turns out that one of the most common bacteria on Earth, Hyphomicrobium, survives on formaldehyde as its sole source of carbon, and Chyba believes that similar formaldehyde-feeding microbes could be alive and swimming in Europa's subsurface ocean. In addition to creating organic fuels, radiation from Jupiter also may drive chemical reactions that produce oxidants -- molecules such as oxygen and hydrogen peroxide that can be used to burn formaldehyde and other carbon-based fuels."... 3) http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/PSRdiscoveries/Dec96/LifeUnderground.html "Microorganisms in the Rock in the Dark" ..."In their second experiment, Stevens and McKinley used sterilized basalt as a culture medium to see if bacteria could live in the rock in the dark. They put water from deep wells into tubes containing the sterilized basalt, and examined them after various lengths of time for up to one year. The water was not processed in any way to preserve the bacteria that was in it. Under these dark, oxygen-starved conditions, the rock-water interactions are the only source of energy possible. No sunlight reached the capsules, so photosynthesis could not take place. Remarkably, even after a year, bacteria were thriving in this unusual environment."... 4) http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast27jul99_1.htm Astrobiologists To Hunt Small Game in Siberia Arctic permafrost may hold clues to life on other worlds 5) ..."Biological evolution begins with the origin of life. Before that there must have been chemical interactions which prepared the molecules that came together in the first living thing. Most people think of this event as an episode of molecular self-organization, but perhaps it is more correct just to call it molecular organization. Carbon atoms were synthesized long ago in exploding stars and then incorporated into relatively simple organic compounds which are spread out all over the universe. On our planet, most of the organics are parts of living things or their waste materials. Organic matter from space is coming in all the time in the form of small carbonaceous meteorites (less than a few metres in diameter) and microscopic interplanetary dust particles (IDPs). What is the 'Origin of Life'? "... silas wrote: -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ThePiedPiper 1) frozen bacteria has been found from impacted asteroids. That bacteria has evidently been different enough that when integrated into earth life forms it has changed us. A list like this one is bound to attract the 'barmy army' element, and if you don't take them too seriously, they can be quite amusing. However, it has been pointed out that the purpose of this list is serious research and some valuable work is being done. That may well be the case, I don't know. IF this is a serious discussion list, then when someone posts an unsupported 'fact', it is not at all unreasonable for someone else to ask for a source or verifiable reference for this 'fact'. This is perfectly normal procedure and should come as no surprise to anyone. If, on the other hand, you are going to allow ( and believe) any old rubbish that someone decides is of merit, the list will have no credibility at all and you may as well rename it as 'Conspiracy Fantasy Research List'. Yesterday, I asked Duncan to provide some evidence for a claim he was making. Up to now I have had no response apart from a rather cryptic ' you can take a horse to water' message. I must therefore conclude that his claims are false and he should withdraw them. The above quotation is of a similar vein, I would like to see a valid source for this claim, and I will be more than surprised if one is found. I know that some people will not like my style and find me offensive, I can live with that, but if you don't like what I write, don't open my posts. I am not attacking any individual poster, I always try to play the ball, not the man, but if you are going to forward posts that are plain silly, then you
[CTRL] Dinosaur heart found
Dr Dale Russell This animal was like a long pig with a deer-like head real 28k Thursday, 20 April, 2000, 17:56 GMT 18:56 UK Dinosaur heart found The heart: A a grapefruit-sized, reddish brown clump The first ever fossilised dinosaur heart has been discovered by scientists in the US. This means that dinosaurs, certainly the later ones, were probably warm-blooded and engaged in active behaviour Dr Dale Russell It was found in the remains of a 66 million-year-old creature dug up in South Dakota. The researchers used a computer tomography (CT) scanner to investigate the organ. The study shows the dinosaur, nicknamed "Willo", to have a four-chambered heart more akin to a human or a bird than a lizard. The findings, the scientists claim, suggest the beast's circulatory system was more advanced than that of reptiles, and supports the hypothesis that many dinosaurs were warm-blooded animals. Extraordinary secret Willo was discovered in a sandstone outcrop in 1993, and named after the wife of the rancher who owned the land. 2-D images were built into a 3-D model The 300-kilogram (663-pound), four-metre (13-foot) long herbivore was acquired by the North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences, Raleigh, in 1996, where he is now on permanent display. However, it is only in the last few months that scientists from the state university's college of veterinary medicine have been able to reveal the fossil's extraordinary secret. CT scans use X-rays and computer software to "peel away" layers of tissue, or in this case layers of dirt and fossilised bone, to image inside a body. The scientists' report, published in the journal Science, describes how they used the X-ray technology, developed for use by doctors, to look inside a grapefruit-sized, reddish brown clump in the dinosaur's partially exposed chest. The clump's size, position and features mean it can only be a heart, the researchers believe. High metabolic rate "Not only does this specimen have a heart, but computer-enhanced images of its chest strongly suggest it is a four-chambered, double-pump heart with a single systemic aorta, more like the heart of a mammal or bird than a reptile," said Dr Dale Russell, a palaeontologist at North Carolina State University who helped co-ordinate the study. Willo was a plant eating dinosaur Dr Michael Stoskopf is an expert on the comparative anatomy of mammals, reptiles and birds, and helped to produce the 3-D composite images of Willo's chest cavity. "Willo's ventricles and aorta indicate it had completely separate pulmonary and body circulation systems, which suggests it had a metabolic rate higher than we generally see in living reptiles," he said. "This means that dinosaurs, certainly the later ones, were probably warm blooded and engaged in active behaviour," Dr Russell told the BBC. "They weren't sluggish animals. They were like the animals that we know - birds and mammals today." More organs Shadows and shapes revealed by the 3-D images suggest Willo may contain other fossilised organs as well. Dr Dale Russell: This is a first The specimen itself is a member of the Thescelosaurus genus, and is probably a member of the T. neglectus species. Thescelosaurus means marvellous and neglectus means neglected. "Marvellous? Yes. But I don't think this one is going to be neglected any more," Dr Russell said. Because of the dinosaur's scientific importance and fragile condition, the North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences is displaying the remains in their original posture, still embedded in the sandstone. The right side of its skull, spinal column, ribs and sections of the tail are partially exposed. The left side and extremities were lost to erosion. Search BBC News Online Advanced search options BBC ONE TV NEWS WORLD NEWS SUMMARY See also: In This Section Dinosaur heart found NEC boosts chip production Baby babble 'key to language' Hamster is excellent midwife Terra begins Earth monitoring Penny drops for mathematician Scientists get liver cells from blood New search for aliens Bone building 'breakthrough' World celebrates Earth Day Cosmic rays will reveal universal secrets Planet Earth gets a makeover Further shark controls rejected Microsoft's third try to go mobile Shuttle ready for repair mission Europe's seven female founders Space rockets to fire from plane Nerve poison leaves telltale evidence Toilet water on tap Tetris takes over tower block Elephant birth goes online Secret 'UFO base' revealed A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
This is the url for #5 http://kat.microbio.umanitoba.ca/gklassen/read2.htm ThePiedPiper wrote: Get ready for some reading also if you need links for this I will post - Do you know that a Noble Prize was given for finding out that bacteria does reproduce in many ways INCLUDING Sexually? I have those links in this essay http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/esevol3b.html Here are your citations for frozen bacteria - A educational course for credit that asks the same question I do 1) Asteroids, Comets, and Meterorites: Their Intimate Relation with Life on Earth http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1996/6/96.06.03.x.html 2)http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc012700.html This is copyrighted materia from the cambridge-conference network ..."According to Chyba, when these ions slam into the icy surface of the moon, chemical reactions are likely to occur, transforming frozen molecules of water and carbon dioxide into new organic compounds such as formaldehyde. It turns out that one of the most common bacteria on Earth, Hyphomicrobium, survives on formaldehyde as its sole source of carbon, and Chyba believes that similar formaldehyde-feeding microbes could be alive and swimming in Europa's subsurface ocean. In addition to creating organic fuels, radiation from Jupiter also may drive chemical reactions that produce oxidants -- molecules such as oxygen and hydrogen peroxide that can be used to burn formaldehyde and other carbon-based fuels."... 3) http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/PSRdiscoveries/Dec96/LifeUnderground.html "Microorganisms in the Rock in the Dark" ..."In their second experiment, Stevens and McKinley used sterilized basalt as a culture medium to see if bacteria could live in the rock in the dark. They put water from deep wells into tubes containing the sterilized basalt, and examined them after various lengths of time for up to one year. The water was not processed in any way to preserve the bacteria that was in it. Under these dark, oxygen-starved conditions, the rock-water interactions are the only source of energy possible. No sunlight reached the capsules, so photosynthesis could not take place. Remarkably, even after a year, bacteria were thriving in this unusual environment."... 4) http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast27jul99_1.htm Astrobiologists To Hunt Small Game in Siberia Arctic permafrost may hold clues to life on other worlds 5) ..."Biological evolution begins with the origin of life. Before that there must have been chemical interactions which prepared the molecules that came together in the first living thing. Most people think of this event as an episode of molecular self-organization, but perhaps it is more correct just to call it molecular organization. Carbon atoms were synthesized long ago in exploding stars and then incorporated into relatively simple organic compounds which are spread out all over the universe. On our planet, most of the organics are parts of living things or their waste materials. Organic matter from space is coming in all the time in the form of small carbonaceous meteorites (less than a few metres in diameter) and microscopic interplanetary dust particles (IDPs). What is the 'Origin of Life'? "... silas wrote: -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ThePiedPiper 1) frozen bacteria has been found from impacted asteroids. That bacteria has evidently been different enough that when integrated into earth life forms it has changed us. A list like this one is bound to attract the 'barmy army' element, and if you don't take them too seriously, they can be quite amusing. However, it has been pointed out that the purpose of this list is serious research and some valuable work is being done. That may well be the case, I don't know. IF this is a serious discussion list, then when someone posts an unsupported 'fact', it is not at all unreasonable for someone else to ask for a source or verifiable reference for this 'fact'. This is perfectly normal procedure and should come as no surprise to anyone. If, on the other hand, you are going to allow ( and believe) any old rubbish that someone decides is of merit, the list will have no credibility at all and you may as well rename it as 'Conspiracy Fantasy Research List'. Yesterday, I asked Duncan to provide some evidence for a claim he was making. Up to now I have had no response apart from a rather cryptic ' you can take a horse to water' message. I must therefore conclude that his claims are false and he should withdraw them. The above quotation is of a similar vein, I would like to see a valid source for this claim, and I will be more than surprised if one is found. I know that some people will not like my style and find me offensive, I can live with that, but if you
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1
SkeptiNews 000421a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/20_04_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * Site of latest notices, excuses, news/views: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No inland chemical sumps were drained during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Searchable Graphics Database: http://www.gograph.com/ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # MSoft to Take Over Universe? Researchers at Microsoft are working on an ambitious Internet database that will make the data from a massive survey of the cosmos available to anyone with a Web browser. The project is the 1st in a series of initiatives to bring to the public "virtual telescopes" that scientists are saying will herald perhaps the greatest revolution in the history of astronomy. Beware: http://cosmiverse.com/space041801.html # UK INVENTOR PATENTS LUNAR DOME. It's not so much the shape of the struc- ture that he's registered, as its ability to stand up to showers of micro- meteorites without bursting. http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/n_ludome.htm # Olympic torch goes into orbit: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9713205 # Nozumi to Mars on Heels of Express: www.cosmiverse.com/space041902.html : What portion of the universe would you most like to conquer? Will you be satisfied with bits'n'pieces, or do you Want It ALL!?!?!? What will you do to conquer the universe? How will you get there? Who will you have to kill? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Spacecraft snaps close-ups of a lava flow on Io. PASADENA, CA (CNN) -- Belching fissures, lava flows sulfur frost dominate new high-resolution pics of Io, obtained by the Galileo spacecraft during its closest flyby yet of the Jupiter moon. http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9713204 # Deep-Space Volcanoes: http://www.spacedaily.com/news/galileo-00g.html # Some Quakes Caused By Sudden Increases In Fluid Pressure - water-saturated faults snap miles underground: http://unisci.com/stories/20002/0418004.htm # Huge Crater Discovered in Western Australia. Scientists say a massive crater in Australia was caused by an asteroid that crashed to earth up to 350 million years ago. http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/n_ozcrat.htm # UPCOMING LYRID METEOR SHOWER: http://www.cosmiverse.com/space042001.html : Have you altered the structures of any planet(oid)s lately? Are celestial bodies easy to snap/smash/poke/squish? D'ya like to throw bodies together?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # NEW ZEALAND SIGHTINGS ABDUCTION. I can remember almost everything; they were Greys who froze me. All I could use was my eyes. I tried to speak but I couldn't. One of the Grey's came over and touched my head. I felt a lot more at ease, and I was totally awake. http://www.caus.org/pc042100.htm # STARGATE COALITION Argue Case for US Govt ET Info - Road to intrigue: But is Area 51 more than just a missile range? "The military has been in touch with [ET] civilisations for the past 50 years and has developed an inter- relationship with at least two other civilisations at underground secret bases, including Area 51." http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/starcoal.htm # 'First Authentic' UFO Photograph Analysis By NIDS - late-WW2 photo used German equipment - taken unaware: http://www.nidsci.org/news/lemonde.html # Jersey Boomerangs Penn.Flying Triangle: http://www.caus.org/ft042100.htm : Have your alien/govt/corporate/church agents abducted/probed/implanted any Kiwis lately? D'ya prefer to deal with English-speakers? Have you ever been photographed? Have you tried to suppress the images/information/knowledge?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ "The Octaves: Infinite Cycles of 7 Chakras, Densities or Dimensions" RA: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. http://www2.hawaii.edu/~boyne/ra/densities.html @ The 3rd Density Choice, the Polarities, Positive Negative Beings, Jesus, Hitler, the Orion Group: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~boyne/ra/choice.html # Detainee deaths attributed to Hitler - "The Great Escape" failed: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565859510-fad # MI5 Papers Cast New Light On Hitler's Last Days 'King Kong' Betrayal: http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,212234,00.html # Captured U-Boat Held Revolutionary Aircraft - Jet plane, not uranium, was U-boat's prize cargo: http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/n_uboat.htm : Have y'r channeled entities consorted/guided/manipulated/maddened/devoured any fascists lately? Do they feed on body/soul-deaths? Do the interests of humans and paranormal entities coincide? Are they helpful/trustworthy/evil? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Baby babble 'key to language' (BBC) The
[CTRL] if cuban interest section is foreign property, then ....
how can Elian be moved there? The court order precludes him being moved outside the USA. -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings and devours our Freedom. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Suppressed Archaeological evidence
Allow me to recommend the definitive book on the extinction of the mammoth. Surprisingly enough it's called: The Extinction of the Mammoth by Charles Ginenthal. It's extremely detailed and technical. For an academic tome, though, it's a surprisingly accessable read. There's a fair bit of technical jargon to be wades through, but it's easy enough to look up. You should have a good science dictionary within arm's reach while you read this book, but you should really have a good science dictionary within arms reach anyhow. Look up about two dozen new words as you read The Extinction of the Mammoth and suddenly the book begins to read like a courtroom drama. The evidence is absolutely stunning. There is a LOT of it. You will find yourself forced to discard the dominant paradigm long before you finish the book. It's a great book. Read it. You'll be glad you did. It's available from an always excellent source of information you should know but can't be found without seeking. Seek no longer. This is the place: FLATLAND, P.O. Box 2420, Fort Bragg, California. 95437 (707) 964-8326 http://www.cbc3001.com/flatland/ Here's the catologue entry: The Extinction of the Mammoth Charles Ginenthal (1997) A book-length monograph from "The Velikovskian," Vol. III, No. 2-3. Explains how the "catastrophist" theory of ancient/not so ancient earth changes over geological history, as first expressed by the late Emmanuel Velikovsky, using the latest scientific data, a fascinating, ground breaking work. Examines current scientific myths about the extinction of the mammoths, against the backdrop of recent archaeological findings. 303 pages, paperback EXMA $25.00 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Flames, Trolls and Fairy Tales
Howdy all, Unless, folks would like me to review all messages before they are sent or review the messages of "troublemakers", which would hamper much of the discussion on this list, I would suggest that, if ya'll haven't figured out by now how a person's rhetoric effects the forum and responses one will recieve, I guess a person will have to learn. As to the current brouhaha, personally I find "no fault" and plenty of "fault" on the persons involved. Strindent voices tend to recieve strident replies and with misunderstanding and other factors it soon degenerates into more base rhetoric. Personally, I learned somethings from the ensuing debate and how a person handles one-self is always telling. For us to re-examine different validities that have been presented to us, does fall into conspiracy theory. Much power is derived from the beliefs of others that believe a person to have that perceived power. And just as Einstein has been promoted and Telsa ignored there is "conspiracy" involved for very particular purposes of creation of the false cocoons woven around us by our misperceptions whether contrived by ourselves or others. The validities are generally presented to us a diametrically opposed good and evil concepts to grab us at the most visceral level possible. Fear and greed, the devil and mammon are used exstensively in the culturated "programming." Most players are in the "blue lodge" and have no idea as to overall and specifics. The hoodwinks are many and before folks start to write, let us try and use rheotorical speech that can allow for understanding of what we are actually saying, instead of advancing positions by "beliefs" or other such language that will enflame passions into diatribes, innuendo and misunderstandings. So please let us all learn and try to use manners in our discourse, listen and if you use rhetoric that is inflammatory, this is the internet -Tomatoes are thrown, let us try and keep honest debate civil and as always - peace is an action - actions begat. Excusa for the bit of a ramble, but really folks I ain't a sandbox monitor and the only heavy hand I have is to nopost or dismiss and email address entirely. You are alone in the alley, learn how to survive. Take care Om KJ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WACO BUTCHER SHOULD RESIGN! NOW!! NOW!!!
I just overheard a report on Fox News Channel that she is taking a drug that causes her to become 'confused'. Didn't catch the name of the Drug. Reported she had two 'crying jags in the presence of her staff. -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings to sap your strength to survive. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 4/21/00
from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Today's News Articles US vs. Cuba Clinton Orders Reno to Seize Elian Evil terrorists hold 6-year old child captive. WASHINGTON, April 20 -- After a meeting today with Attorney General Janet Reno, federal law-enforcement authorities began to mobilize to remove Elián González forcibly from the home of the Miami relatives who have refused to hand over the 6-year-old Cuban boy to his father, government officials said. Time, they said, has nearly run out on a negotiated solution. They said law-enforcement action was now all but certain and would be carried out by immigration agents and federal marshals who have been quietly arriving in Miami in recent days. Aides said tonight that Ms. Reno was still prepared to listen to any specific proposal to conclude the matter peacefully. In blunt comments this evening that sounded like a prelude to action, President Clinton said the father should wait no longer for his son. "There is now no conceivable argument for his not being reunited with his son," Mr. Clinton told reporters, adding, "I think he should be reunited and in as prompt and orderly a way as possible." The hardening rhetoric and surge of behind-the-scenes activity came one day after a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, in Atlanta, barred the authorities from removing the boy from the United States. The appeals court did not prohibit the Justice Department from ordering the boy's Miami relatives to surrender him to the authorities. Today, Elián's father, Juan Miguel González, renewed his plea for the government to deliver his son. "Don't let them continue to abuse my son," Mr. González said, referring to the Miami relatives who have cared for Elián since he was plucked from ocean waters off Florida last November, a survivor of an ill-fated effort to flee Cuba. "I really wish to be with my son," Mr. González said, speaking in Spanish to reporters gathered outside the home of a Cuban diplomat in suburban Washington where he has been staying. "He belongs with me." This evening, The Associated Press reported, the boy spoke on a telephone in the yard outside his Miami relatives' home and shooed his playmates away. He blew kisses into the telephone. A family spokesman, Armando Gutierrez, said the boy had been talking to his father. As the atmosphere around the case grew more tense, Ms. Reno met with senior law-enforcement officials to discuss the preparations under way to carry out a tactical operation in Miami. The meeting suggested that Ms. Reno, who has been under heavy pressure to resolve the case, had at last reached a decision to end the impasse over the boy's custody. For months she had tried unsuccessfully to persuade the Miami relatives to give up the child even as negotiations repeatedly stalled over the relatives' refusal to relinquish him. The officials said the number of agents would be kept small enough to avoid the appearance of a military-style assault, but large enough to ensure the safety of the boy and the agents. It was not precisely clear when agents would move in to retrieve the child, but the operation seemed likely at any time. One official said it would take place "at the appropriate time," probably in a matter of a few days at most. The officials said they believed they could remove the child without interference from protesters but were concerned about potentially violent demonstrations by Cuban-Americans in Miami after Elián is taken from the Little Havana home of his great-uncle, Lázaro González. The officials said that a tactical operation had become more dangerous as the custody battle has worn on and that the action would now have to be carried out in a hostile neighborhood. Only yesterday, the neighborhood exploded in triumphant demonstrations over the appellate court ruling that offered the relatives another day in court. As the case preoccupied administration officials, it also continued to create political headaches for Vice President Al Gore, who has said the boy should be granted permanent residency status. In a television interview today in New York, Mr. Gore bristled when asked if his decision was motivated by politics. "That's not the case," he said. "It's consistent with my long-term position on Castro. And more to the point, consistent with the way our country always deals with cases where custody is in dispute. And of course, the father's wishes are often determinative. But that decision is supposed to be made according to the best interest of the child." After meeting on Wednesday night with President Clinton aboard Air Force One, Ms. Reno broke off a trip to a Montana Indian tribe today and returned to her office where she conferred with aides. In the meeting as the president and Ms. Reno returned from a memorial ceremony for the Oklahoma City federal building bombing, they
[CTRL] WHO IS THE BLACKMAILER?
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.skolnicksreport.com/blackmailer.html"Sherman Skolnick's Report/A - WHO IS THE BLACKMAILER? by Sherman H. Skolnick Some persons, places, and entities would like a more simple world. Where everything about them is on one computer hard drive. And to start out fresh in the 21st Century, they could just click on "Delete" and have all their dirty laundry simply go to the "trash bin". Then they would have one last chance to decide if they want, for some reason, to keep this detrimental data. And then, after some head scratching they press "Delete" for the "trash bin" to be emptied and the bad stuff, once and for all, expunged from history. George Orwell in his book on total dictatorship, "1984", must have had something like this in mind. The city fathers of every big city would like to hit the "Delete" key about their history, often scandal-scarred. Something they would just like to permanently get lost. Some media empires are no exception. We have told you in our stories about reporters who appear to be tied to assassins. Those who after a political assassination, are rewarded for their complicity. Those who sometime after a political assassination that they played a part as a cover up, were rewarded by being propelled into big-paying choice media positions. An example is Dealey Plaza, Dallas, November 22, 1963. At the time a not too well known reporter was Dan Rather. He was in the shadows of the triple underpass bridge. He later claimed he was just there holding a "grapefruit bag", media slang for a container for news film to be picked up by a courier. He was just a few feet away from where apparently some of the shots came from that were aimed point blank from the front at President John F. Kennedy's head. As the presidential motorcade approached the underpass, Dan Rather was the only one on the planet that could look right into the death car to confirm that JFK was mortally wounded by the cabal. I gave the details to a populist newspaper that explored the area 25 years after the fact and found an apparently unmentioned sewer lid up on the embankment. Many circumstantial facts support the idea that some of the shots came from there and the sewer was used to escape. Dan Rather could not possibly have not seen what happened. He later became White House correspondent and then, network TV news anchor face, rewarded with millions of dollars per year. Then relatively obscure Canadian journalist, Robert MacNeil, JUST HAPPENED to be in the building where Lee Harvey Oswald was at the time. And MacNeil's apparent complicity added to the fakery of Oswald as the "lone assassin". MacNeil was rewarded with co-ownership of the PBS program with Jim Lehrer, the News Hour. These are just a few examples. There are presslords, such as in Chicago, who would like their own dirty laundry to disappear.About 1930, when the Chicago Tribune faced a strike by their workers, the Tribune hired a "labor consultant". Guess who? Why, Al Capone, who nowadays would have been tagged as a "terrorist". In 1986, when the Tribune likewise faced a strike, they brought in mafia goons with attack dogs to rip the workers off the machines. Few, if any, in the monopoly press said anything about this outrage used to break the union and open the way for scabs at half the wage rate. The Tribune would also like to click "Delete" as to one of their prize reporters who was publicly executed about 1930, Jake Lingle. Their reporter was blackmailing various criminal business factions, reportedly with the connivance of the higher ups at the supposed "World's Greatest Newspaper", the slogan for their radio and TV stations in Chicago, WGN-TV and WGN Radio. For years and years, Chicago, like other big cities, was and is racked by in-fighting between competing criminal enterprises. It is too simplistic to say it was just two warring "mafia" factions. In the early 1930s, Chicago had two competing gangs fighting over the distribution of illegal booze, just prior to the end of Prohibition. Mayor Anton Cermak, part of a third gang of booze distributors, got in the middle and was shot to death by an alleged "lone assassin" while Cermak was sitting in 1933 next to President-Elect Franklin D. Roosevelt. (Were the shots also intended to pressure Roosevelt to declare an Emergency Bank Holiday BEFORE rather than AFTER his Inauguration Day?) Our work in the late 1960s and early 1970s sent Cermak's son-in-law, Otto Kerner, Jr., to prison for bribery. At the time, Kerner was former Illinois Governor and a sitting federal appeals judge in Chicago. Kerner went on all the local media, including the Chicago Tribune, and labeled me a "liar" to counter my public accusations. BUT, just as I had publicly fingered him, Kerner was sent to prison and died an ex-convict. [Kerner tried to stop me by getting his fellow crooked judges to try to jail me for "contempt of court" but he did succeed in getting the pressfakers to badmouth me as a
Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family
Dear Linda: Thank you for your time and consideration. I apprecate the article you had forwarded to me. I notice this was Chapter 1, is there a "book" this came from which I can access? The request for info about the "Hertiage Councils and Nationalities Groups" still stands. As I would like to research this for info relating to the establishment of the Group located in Bridgeport, Conn. area. Wishing you a Happy Easter for you and your family. Sincerely: Mike ** A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] global gag rule
In a message dated 4/21/2000 12:54:39 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, according to the University of Madrid in conjunction with some research institute in Moscow, Stalin offed 80 million, and Mao did 60 million. but try calling these a holocaust and you get sued for breach of copyright. Duncan Good heavens, I hope you're kidding. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New Look at Ancient Betrayer (fwd)
Judas' dark reputation appears to have been sealed by theology and tradition. In Dante's Inferno, Judas is relegated to the lowest pits of hell, where he is eaten, head first, by a three-headed demon with flapping bat-like wings. In the popular imagination, that may be where he remains. "The story is so firmly entrenched that I don't think it's going to change. He's the person who got Jesus into that fix," Borsch said. "If you want to know who was responsible, in some real sense, of course, God was. . . . Just as we say that God was present with Jesus, and God was in Jesus taking the responsibility, in some sense God is responsible for Judas, too. I think, finally, we have to trust Judas to God." http://www.latimes.com/news/state/2421/t37680.html ### P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CNN: Appeals court to hear arguments in Willey case (fwd)
Appeals court to hear arguments in Willey case April 19, 2000 Web posted at: 3:45 p.m. EDT (1945 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia has set a hearing for May 18th on a lower court ruling that the White House violated the federal government's Privacy Act by releasing letters from one-time White House volunteer Kathleen Willey to President Bill Clinton. The lower court ruling, in a suit brought by the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, would have allowed the group to obtain additional information about White House activities in the Willey case and other matters. Judicial Watch was in the process of trying to obtain information relating to the case of the White House Security Office's appropriation of some 900 FBI files. Judicial Watch will not be able to obtain any additional information from the White House in the case until the appeals court rules. "The law is clear. The Privacy Act applies to the White House and Clinton knew this," Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman said Wednesday. "We expect the appeals court will agree." Justice Department lawyers asked the appeals court three weeks ago to vacate a ruling by a district judge that Clinton and his lawyers had committed a criminal violation of the Privacy Act by releasing letters written to him by Willey, who in 1998 accused the president of groping her in the Oval Office. The department argued that the president is not subject to the provisions of the Act, which is designed to protect individuals who do business or have other dealings with the federal government. The department asked the court to declare that, "the White House component of the Executive Office of the President is not an 'agency' within the meaning of the Privacy Act." Judge Royce Lamberth concluded at the beginning of April that the president had demonstrated criminal intent to violate the Act after determining that the White House was an agency subject to the provisions. Lamberth wrote: "The president had the requisite intent for committing a criminal violation of the Privacy Act" when the White House released the Willey correspondence. The letters were released in March 1998, the morning after Willey appeared on the CBS program "60 minutes" and alleged that the president made an unwanted sexual advance while the two were in a private room adjacent to the Oval Office in 1993. Clinton has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. White House aides said they released the letters to cast doubt on Willey's allegations, saying the letters showed she remained friendly with Clinton after the alleged incident. CNN's Major Garrett contributed to this report. P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Defense of Taiwan (fwd)
The Defense of Taiwan The Wall Street Journal 4/21/00 Will China go to war to retake Taiwan? China's leaders have repeatedly indicated that they would sacrifice economic and political ties with the rest of the world to prevent the island from drifting permanently from the motherland. The potential for the Taiwanese and U.S. militaries to deter any Chinese decision to use force is of course crucial, but it's only part of the go or no-go equation. The Korean War began largely because of a miscalculation that the U.S. wouldn't come to its ally's aid. So it's important that the U.S. send clear messages about its commitment to honor obligations. The U.S. decision not to sell Taiwan's navy several Aegis destroyers could therefore turn out to be a bad strategic decision, even if the military rationale was reasonable. Coming as it does after a series of political moves to appease China on Taiwan, it raises doubts about American willingness to take even mild risks to defend a young democracy. This will hurt morale in Taipei and increase the chances of miscalculation in Beijing. Let's say at the outset that American military experts do seem to be getting a good grip on the problem of defending Taiwan; a recent Pentagon report highlighted many weaknesses in the island's military. The question is whether the U.S. has the political will to fix them. The problem is mainly isolation. The Taiwanese brass haven't adopted best practices from what the U.S. calls the "revolution in military affairs" because they haven't had access to the training and exchanges given other U.S. allies. Command and control is weak, and interservice rivalry hampers joint operations. A large conscript army saps resources that should go toward modernizing the navy and air force as well as retaining competent technicians and professional soldiers. Experts agree that Taiwan still has a technological edge over the mainland militarily, but that will be disappear unless U.S. policy changes. China is developing a blue-water navy that will be able to blockade Taiwan's ports and bring the economy to its knees. It has about 200 solid-fuel ballistic missiles deployed along the Strait, and is producing 50 to 70 more each year. These could be used to wipe out the island's airfields unless missile defense is upgraded. What should the U.S. do? There is room for disagreement about individual weapon systems, especially when as costly and complex as the Aegis ships. But the U.S. very much needs to address the dangers of a missile attack or a naval blockade. That means committing to sell the latest Patriot missile, the PAC-3, when introduced. It means providing the tools of antisubmarine warfare, such as the P-3 Orion plane and persuading other countries to sell diesel submarines to Taiwan. As important, we should end the isolation of the Taiwanese military. The House passed the Taiwan Security Enhancement Act to correct this. The Chief of the U.S. Pacific Command, Admiral Dennis Blair, has said that the act doesn't let him do anything more than is possible now, and it throws an unwelcome spotlight on the relationship. But this suggests that the U.S. military has been lax in using the available opportunities for exchanges. And of course there is the matter political will. Some officials in the State Department and White House seem to think meeting U.S. obligations to help Taiwan defend itself means "provoking" China, and so shouldn't be attempted. But it is Chinese threats and missile deployments that provoke; countering them with defensive weaponry is the only response that Beijing will respect. To act otherwise allows the risk of war to ratchet upward. Some of Beijing's generals believe that if given the resources to force Taiwan into submission, China would be able to spend a decade riding out any storm of protest. So far, Beijing's more rational leaders have prevailed because they can point to the U.S. commitment to Taiwan's defense. If that commitment wavers, the calculus changes. Korea should have taught the U.S. that the fastest way to bring war is to cause potential aggressors to miscalculate the odds. But then maybe they don't read history aymore in the White House. P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
[CTRL] Fwd: [A-M] Nero Fiddled While Rome Burned
AUDREY'S MISSILES A weekly newsletter dedicated to the peaceful reform of the United States government. AND NERO FIDDLED... Libertarians and others who look upon legalization as a single magic cure for all our drug problems might be interested in this small excerpt from an article in DRUG NEWS DIGEST: "The following facts from well-researched and reputable sources (The European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, www.emcdda.org) illustrate the unpalatable consequences of the liberal drug policy in The Netherlands. The Netherlands sports the highest rate of cocaine use in the European Union. Drug-related deaths continued to climb steadily from 1991-1997. The prevalence of HIV infection in injecting drug users was among the top 5 out of 15 nations. However, this information by itself should not condemn the legalization theory. Other factors must be considered. The Netherlands, a very small country, is surrounded by other European nations who do not share the tolerant Dutch philosophy regarding hard drugs. Legalization could have been a potent weapon had it been used in time to stop the criminals from making such huge profits. Now, the problem is much more complicated and far more menacing. With organized crime entrenched in almost EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, with the budget of the illegal drug trade estimated to be the fourth largest in the world...and with the numbers of addicts growing daily...a more open discussion of the problem is urgently needed. Yet Washington is silent on the issue. Why? Take the single example of a small town in New Mexico : Chimayo is a place, authorities say, afflicted with a modern-day curse: At least one in every four people in the community of 4,000 is a black tar heroin addict. Since 1995, more than 90 people have died of drug overdoses. Informed Americans know that Chimayo is not an isolated example. A report in the Oklahoman states that a meth test backlog has forced some judges to dismiss cases for lack of evidence. The problem is a deluge of methamphetamine cases, particularly in northeast Oklahoma, putting an overwhelming burden on the testing laboratories there. Police in Baltimore say that drug use has decimated that community and that crack cocaine is addictive after just one use. (This may not true because reaction to drugs varies with individuals. The fact that crack is highly addictive, however, is not disputed.) Other areas, especially those in states close to our Mexican and our Canadian borders have costly and rapidly growing drug addiction and crime rates. Where will the spreading problem stop? No one seems to know, but while the Drug Enforcement Administration is considering removing its agents from Tijuana because of the city's string of drug-related murders, Washington fiddles while our smouldering drug problem threatens to burst into flames. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n516.a08.html http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n514.a06.html (Taken from the Dallas Morning News : (Tue Mon, 17 Apr 2000) and reproduced in Drug News Digest. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n512.a01.html http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n521.a11.html http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n523.a03.html READ THIS NEWSLETTER AND THEN GIVE IT TO A FRIEND. No copyright on the content of AUDREY'S MISSILES is claimed since it is our hope that the information in this newsletter will be copied and distributed widely. Topics covered are those which are not adequately treated on TV or in the press. If you live in the 209 calling area end a request to 209 847-7588 for a free fax subscription. E-mail is free anywhere. Paid subscriptions are not accepted. Comments may be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/00 Legalization == [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an moderated maillist about government reform. To join or leave send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: -- (un)subscribe audreys-missiles Visit http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSACOMintro.html
Re: [CTRL] Fidel talks of Worldwide Apartheid
Fidel castro is one of the richest men on earth just beating the David Rockerfeller $4.5bn. I suppose he wants to compete with bill gates. John (Source was forbes magazine) -Original Message- From: David Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fidel talks of Worldwide Apartheid Summit opposes worldwide apartheid "WHILE before we spoke of apartheid in Africa, today we can speak of apartheid in a world where four billion people are deprived of the most elemental human rights: to life, health care, education, safe drinking water, housing, employment, and hope for their own and their children's future," emphasized President Fidel Castro during the closing session of the South Summit. "We are struggling for the poor countries' most sacred rights, but also for the salvation of the First World, which is incapable of guaranteeing the existence of the human species, of governing itself amidst its contradictions and selfish interests. Only through our struggle can we keep the boat which is this world from crashing into an iceberg and drowning us all," he insisted. Speaking to the heads of state and government and delegations attending the first summit of the Group of 77, Fidel reiterated the Third nations' proposals and aspirations in their struggle for achieving development in a globalized world with an unequal and unjust economic order. At the start of his speech, which lasted barely 20 minutes, Fidel expressed his admiration for the unity of criteria he observed among the Third World leaders. He noted that the Summit's discussions revealed the talent of the leaders of this community of nations, and their ability to bring together ideas and experiences. At the same time, the discussions confirmed the depth of the crisis facing these nations and the difficulties and calamities their peoples suffer. Fidel noted the unanimous opinion that globalization benefits only 20% of the world population, barely aiding the other 80%, and that the gap between rich and poor countries is growing larger. There is also unanimity, he noted, around the idea that the United Nations and the international financial system should be transformed. He denounced the trade system which is unequal and unjust for the countries of the South, the failure to provide promised government development aid, difficulties in gaining access to know-how and technology, and the shameless brain drain. He said that there is a widespread demand that the Third World debt should be considerably reduced, if not completely eliminated, which would be the fairest thing to do. Just 1% of the income from speculative operations would be enough to finance Third World development. "Don't listen to anyone who tells you that it wouldn't be possible," the Cuban president warned. He charged that in this century of great advances in communications and science, there are still hundreds of millions of people who are hungry, malnourished, illiterate, unemployed or sick. Furthermore, there are colossal numbers of children with insufficient weights and heights for their age, without schools or medical care, and obliged to do hard labor. Fidel summarized the consensus of this summit, which was aimed at joining forces, strategies and forms of coordinating efforts, with the goal of guaranteeing the South's economic rights. http://www.granma.cu/ingles/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE JEW OF LINZ-1
THE JEW OF LINZ This is by no means a figure of speech. The history of mathematics has known many cases when a discovery made by one scientist remains unknown until it is later reproduced by another with striking precision. In the letter written on the eve of his fatal duel, Galois made several assertions of paramount importance concerning integrals of algebraic functions. more than twenty years later Kiemann, who undoubtedly knew nothing about the letter of Galois, found anew and proved exactly the same assertions. Another example: alier ,obachevski and Bolyai laid the foundation of non-Euclidcan geometry independently of one another, it became known that two other men, Gauss and Schweikart, also working independently, had both come to the same results ten years before. One is overwhelmed by a curious feeling when one sees the same designs as if drawn by a single hand in the work done by four scientists quite independently of one another. What Shafarevitch says here about mathematics, as the product of a single intellect expressing itself through a variety of human instruments, is, as I shall demonstrate, Wittgensteins idea of language in general. In Wittgensteins philosophy, language (not merely the Will) uses its human instruments as vehicles for its own expression. It is not, as we naively think, a person who says something, but rather the proposition - language itself -that says something, through the mouth of a person. Anglo-Saxon readers, doubtful that Shafarevitch counts as a respectable lineage for the doctrine, might be surprised to find Coleridge expressing the same idea: And what if all of animated nature Be but organic harps diversely framed, That tremble into thought, as oer them sweeps Plastic and vast, one intellectual breeze, At once the Soul of each and God of all? I Now despite Wittgenstein claiming that his thought was one hundred percent Hebraic, on this one crucial issue his thought was one hundred percent non-Hebraic, for via Schopenhauer, he adopted this ancient Aryan doctrine - the supreme Jewish blasphemy - as his own.22 In Hitler, as I shall demonstrate, the unitary Will of Schopenhauer is split on racial lines he thought there really was a single Aryan racial will, whose self-:will conscious realization of its own nature was in himself. He feared that this original Aryan doctrine of a single racial will was being parasitized by Jewish internationalism - externally the doctrine of the brotherhood of man, but metaphysically the no-ownership theory. And his discovery of the Aryan racial mind and its relation to history, philosophy and race was made while he was attending the Reafschule with Wittgenstein. What, then, is this strange and obscure doctrine I am claiming Wittgenstein expounded? Surprisingly, it is best approached through the religions of the Aryan invaders of India, who gave us both a mystical doctrine of the nature FIVE Mystical Experience and the Self Wagners intended last opera - The Victors - was to have been on the life of Buddha, interpreted from the perspective of Schopenhauers philosophy. Schopenhauer propounded the curious idea that Buddhism, rather than Judaism, was the original source of Christianity, and he outlined a sort of Aryan Christianity, whose nature Paul Rose presents as follows: there is one important idea in his revolutionary approach to religion that was to resound in the writings of Wagner and other racial determinists. This is the idea of a restored Aryan Christianity - the original Christianity having been distortedly associated with Judaism in the course of history. In one essay, Schopenhauer remarks that, except for its attitude to animals, Christian morality comes close to his adored Buddhism: We can scarcely doubt that like the idea of a god become man, the Christian morality originates from India and may have come to Judaea by way of Egypt so that Christianity would be a reflected splendour of the primordial light of India from the ruins of Egypt -but unfortunately it fell on Jewish soil. For Schopenhauer, the only authentically Jewish religious ideas are the pernicious ones of optimism, rationalism and free will; anything positive had been filched by the Jews from others. For instance, the nobly pessimistic concept of the Fall was taken from the Persians. In fact, Judaism proper, he asserts, was invented only after Cyrus had liberated the Judean captives of Babylon: previously the Jews had worshipped Baa1 and Moloch! Christianity, however, is Aryan in origin and has nothing in common with the (Semitic) delusions of the Jews: The New Testament, on the other hand, must somehow be of Indian origin. Christs teaching sprung from Indian wisdom has covered the old and quite different trunk of Judaism. . . Everything that is true in Christianity is Pound also in Buddhism and Brahminism. ,Any actual historical connection of the Jews with the origins of Christianity
Re: [CTRL] CNN: Appeals court to hear arguments in Willey case (fwd)
Michael, Isn't she the one who refused to give fellatio to the rapist? When any Male looses his Nobility, he has lost all respect of others. Is it any wonder the young ones are prescribed subtropics? Burns me to think the greedy and/or ignorant voter placed this sociopathic creature in our White House; two times no less. Bard BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: Appeals court to hear arguments in Willey case April 19, 2000 Web posted at: 3:45 p.m. EDT (1945 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia has set a hearing for May 18th on a lower court ruling that the White House violated the federal government's Privacy Act by releasing letters from one-time White House volunteer Kathleen Willey to President Bill Clinton. The lower court ruling, in a suit brought by the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, would have allowed the group to obtain additional information about White House activities in the Willey case and other matters. Judicial Watch was in the process of trying to obtain information relating to the case of the White House Security Office's appropriation of some 900 FBI files. Judicial Watch will not be able to obtain any additional information from the White House in the case until the appeals court rules. "The law is clear. The Privacy Act applies to the White House and Clinton knew this," Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman said Wednesday. "We expect the appeals court will agree." Justice Department lawyers asked the appeals court three weeks ago to vacate a ruling by a district judge that Clinton and his lawyers had committed a criminal violation of the Privacy Act by releasing letters written to him by Willey, who in 1998 accused the president of groping her in the Oval Office. The department argued that the president is not subject to the provisions of the Act, which is designed to protect individuals who do business or have other dealings with the federal government. The department asked the court to declare that, "the White House component of the Executive Office of the President is not an 'agency' within the meaning of the Privacy Act." Judge Royce Lamberth concluded at the beginning of April that the president had demonstrated criminal intent to violate the Act after determining that the White House was an agency subject to the provisions. Lamberth wrote: "The president had the requisite intent for committing a criminal violation of the Privacy Act" when the White House released the Willey correspondence. The letters were released in March 1998, the morning after Willey appeared on the CBS program "60 minutes" and alleged that the president made an unwanted sexual advance while the two were in a private room adjacent to the Oval Office in 1993. Clinton has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. White House aides said they released the letters to cast doubt on Willey's allegations, saying the letters showed she remained friendly with Clinton after the alleged incident. CNN's Major Garrett contributed to this report. -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings to sap your strength to survive. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Earth Day 2000
We would like to help celebrate Earth Day 2000 with a message from earthradioTV.com. earthradioTV.com is an alternative forum for ecology, politics consciousness. We are a project of EcoNews (Vancouver, BC), a North American correspondent of ENWL-EcoNews St Petersburg, Russia. Right now, earthradioTV.com is headlining the following stories relevant to you: EXOPOLITICS: A DECADE OF CONTACT MIND CONTROL: "NATION", "FREE PRESS" CNN MIND CONTROL RALLY: SACRAMENTO, CA. JULY 23 ENVIRONMENTAL WAR WEATHER MODIFICATION SOLAR STORM PREDICTION TECHNIQUE ECONEWS: RUSSIAN TORTURE PRACTICES IN CHECHNYA RUSSIA/CIS: INSUDOK INFORMATION CENTRE "We fear a new dictature" - RUSSIA: ALTERNATIVE NEWS SITES News and information changes daily at earthradioTV.com. You can access us at http://www.earthradioTV.com or any of the mirror sites below: CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ USA http://www.geocities.com/ecologynews/ USA http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ Please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes for Earth Day 2000, Geri Alfred __ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Portal for ecology, politics consciousness. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] earthradioTV.com MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ USA http://www.geocities.com/ecologynews/ USA http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ 352-1917 West 4 Ave. Vancouver, BC V6J1M7 Tel: 604-733-8134 Fax:604-733-8135 geri destefano, phd alfred lambremont webre, jd, med A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family
The rapist will be known as the President who got caught between two Bushes with his pants down. Bard Let's make sure the second Bush is Buchanan. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm uaicvtmb wrote: Dear Linda: Thank you for your time and consideration. I apprecate the article you had forwarded to me. I notice this was Chapter 1, is there a "book" this came from which I can access? The request for info about the "Hertiage Councils and Nationalities Groups" still stands. As I would like to research this for info relating to the establishment of the Group located in Bridgeport, Conn. area. Wishing you a Happy Easter for you and your family. Sincerely: Mike ** A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings to sap your strength to survive. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] meeting between the butcher and juan just ended
it lasted only fifteen minutes. Something's up. Be Vigilant! -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings and devours our Freedom. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ...the book the White House has feared the most.
(elian will have had three 'Mothers' in the space of five months. the cuban interest section is considered foreign territory, therefore Elian can not be moved there, per the Court Order that he not be removed from the U.S.) X DRUDGE REPORT X FRIDAY APRIL 21 2000 14:01:22 ET X SCHMIDT'S SWEET REVENGE: NEW IMPEACHMENT BOOK SET TO ROCK WASHINGTON **Exclusive** In the end, its the book the White House has feared the most. WASHINGTON POST reporter Sue Schmidt, first to get Lewinsky in print [more than 72 hours after the Internet], and the subject of a blistering White House report ordered by the first lady, is now ready to unload her secret files on various Clinton scandals in a new expose set to rock official Washington. In 1996, Hillary Rodham Clinton ordered the White House to draft a report [prepared at taxpayer expense] criticizing Sue Schmidt's coverage of Whitewater. "It's now time for Sue's sweet revenge!" declares a WASHINGTON POST editor. The book "Truth at Any Cost : Ken Starr and the Unmaking of Bill Clinton" [HARPERCOLLINS] takes the reader on an ultimate insider pro-prosecution trip through years of investigation and creative legal maneuvering by the defense. [The book has been a sleeping giant, ranking #5,820 on AMAZON's sales list just days before publication.] Schmidt and partner Michael Weisskopf [TIME magazine] crack stunning new details of various Clinton scandals and their players. White House eyes will not be focused on Elian Gonzalez this weekend -- they'll be focused on Schmidt. The WASHINGTON POST is planning a spread pulled from the embargoed book this Sunday. TIME magazine is planning a "news story" based on the book for next week's issue. "Schmidt's nothing more than Ken Starr's personal secretary!" charges a senior White House aide on the eve of the book's release. "She was an informant to Starr!" claims a Schmidt enemy in the press with White House ties. But the barking is based on shadows. No one in the White House has yet had access to the book. That will change within hours. Let the Roar Begin! --- Filed by Matt Drudge http://www.drudgereport.com/sch.htm -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those whom you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at our earnings and devours our Freedom. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush: Gotta Love that Death Penalty
GOTTA LOVE THAT DEATH PENALTY Will Durst, AlterNet "George W says he wants to strengthen the death penalty. What the hell does that mean? Doing it twice? Fake-outs?" http://www.alternet.org/PublicArchive/Durst042100.html TURNING THE DEATH PENALTY TO ART Judith Coburn, AlterNet A powerful new art installation currently on tour has recreated the waiting room that death row inmates must pass through before execution at San Quentin prison, replete with prisoner's last meals and their last words written on the walls. http://www.alternet.org/PublicArchive/Coburn042100.html __ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Portal for ecology, politics consciousness. MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ USA http://www.geocities.com/ecologynews/ USA http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [NA] Janet Reno: Embodying the Worst of Everything
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Jim Condit Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NA] Janet Reno: Embodying the Worst of Everything Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:51 AM www.networkamerica.org "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin (Listen anytime to Votefraud vs Honest Elections "crash course" radio show over the internet at www.sightings.com in the archives, April 3rd, 2000 show, Jeff Rense host, Jim Condit Jr. guest) April 15, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire Janet Reno: Embodying the Worst of Everything I am building up to an Elian Detour to analyze what our elected officials and their appointees at the national level are trying to do to the Cuban American patriots down there in little Havana. But Janet Renos pimping for Castro in this case does not surprise anyone who knows her history in the votescam battle. As detailed in Votescam, Reno, as government attorney in Dade County, had Jim Collier jailed for a day or two at one point after he brought her office proof that one of her buddy candidates had unmarked ballots in his office a few days before the election. She let him out of jail right after the election. So prominent was Renos role in votescam that she is the focus of the bottom half of the front cover of the book, Votescam: The Stealing of America, by Jim Ken Collier. In fact, on the front of the book, it says: The book that indicts Attorney General Janet Reno . .. a shocking investigation. The index reveals that Reno is dealt with on 27 pages of the 360 page book. It was announced on the media yesterday that Janet Reno used to get 95% of the vote when she ran for government attorney in Dade County, Florida. 95%, I mean, shes such an attractive candidate. So sincere. So oozing with spontaneous goodness! And we all know how the public is irresistably attracted to someone who goes out of her way to dress like Alice the Goon from the old Popeye cartoons. 95% for Janet Reno in an election. Srrre. The Votescam book is available from Amazon.com and from the Network America website. (Our office warns parents that Votescam carries some passages with the original rough language as it happened along the way in the Collier investigation.) More tomorrow. Jim Condit Jr., Director Citizens for a Fair Vote Count To contact us, e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please forward our messages to friends and opinion molders. The year 2000 Presidential Campaign offers an opportunity to de-stablize the New World Order Ruling Elite and restore honest elections with citizens checks and balances, true Freedom and true Free Enterprise in America. Let fellow citizens, opinion molders, pastors, public officials, and the newsmedia know -- that we will not accept the 2000 Election results unless paper ballots with citizen checks and balances are restored to the process at the local precinct level. To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our website: www.networkamerica.org Our Address: PO Box 11339, Cincinnati, Ohio 45211 To read all current messages on the Network America listserve news service, do the following: 1) go to www.topica.com 2)if you have not yet done so, log in as a topica member which requires your e-mail address and a password you make up (this only need be done once) 3) then when you log in to www.topica.com, click on "my topica" at the top of the screen; then on 4) Network America, and then 5) click on "Read Current Messages" which is the top choice at the left column on that screen. (Note: in some cases you may find that you have skipped over the "my topica" screen and have been sent straight to the screen with the "Network America" choice.) Start an Email List For Free at Topica. http://www.topica.com/register Shop for Cars On-Line: http://a-albionic.com/ads/srch.html Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [CTRL] Suppressed Archaeological evidence
I For One Love Your Website For Nexusmagazine http://www.nexusmagazine.com/ But Do Wish You Would Have More Sir Laurence Gardner Like The Great Series REALM OF THE RING LORDS And STAR FIRE: The Gold of the Gods Do You Plan To Have More Like These From Sir Gardner? --- nexusmagazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A list like this one is bound to attract the 'barmy army' element, and if you don't take them too seriously, they can be quite amusing. However, it has been pointed out that the purpose of this list is serious research and some valuable work is being done. That may well be the case, I don't know. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
Nessie illustrates quite well in the quoted post below why it is impossible to rationally discuss issues of this type without invective and rhetoric. Evolution, creationism, religion, and other issues that involve a certain amount of philosophy also require a certain amount of belief on the part of the adherants. When belief comes into play there is an emotional attachment which causes a lot of invective and anger, and more rhetoric etc. In the end what is gained? You will never be able to change the mind of someone who has an opposing belief system than you in rational discourse, so nothing is gained in its discussion. Nessie, in a previous post, brought up a good related topic to discuss in this vein and that is the suppression of alternative science, and the like, and that certainly has connections to the origin of life question. On Thu, 20 April 2000, nessie wrote: Look, I'm not going to debate evolution vs creationism with you here. This is not the right place. This place is for conspiracy theory. If you want to talk about conspiracy theory, we can talk about conspiracy theory. We can talk about it here. This is the place to talk about conspiracy theory. If you want to debate evolution vs creationism, do it somewhere else. Do it with somebody else. I don't want to debate evolution vs creationism with you or with anybody else, here or anywhere. We're not going to change each other's minds. All we would accomplish would be to waste each other's time. If we do it in public, on this list at least, we'd also waste a bunch of other people's time. I don't want to waste other people's time, even yours. If you do, you're a jerk. You may have time to waste, but I don't. Even if I did have time to waste, I fail to see any sound reason I should waste it on you. You're boring. You're also off topic. Take this evolution vs creationism debate to an appropriate venue. This is not the appropriate venue. Appropriate venues are available. Find one. Do it now. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FYI, Ollie North Show at 4pm today
FYI, for those interested, just got a MRC e-mail Alert that today at 4pm EST, on the Internet's available Ollie North radio show at http://www.northamerican.com/the MRC's Rich Noyes, who heads up the Free Market Project, will be a guest. At North's Web site just double-click the gray "Listen to Common Sense Radio via RealAudio" box. Should be an interesting segment with all the brouhaha going on! -A
Re: [CTRL] Suppressed Archaeological evidence
It is really great to see Nexus Magazine represented here. This mag. was one of the first which introduced me to the idea of hidden history, conspiracy and cover up. Duncan you are a welcome addition her, IMO. As for this particular thread, you have noted the Cremo book, Forbidden Archeology which is an excellent reference. The particular story, which I read about in the book and in Nexus Magazine, about the archelogical finds in Mexico is one of the best cases for the suppression of valid scientific inquiry. It illustrates best the notion that the "theories" that are held onto by the mainstream science establishment are more like Holy Grails of belief that must be saved from the unorthodox heretics which seek to assail it. Science should be about questioning and revising, and there is little done in that regard when pet theories are tampered with. Another good case is the story of a site in Michegan or Minnesota where stone tools were found in glacial gravel deposits which could be tens of thousands of years older than man was supposed to have been here. Don't here much about that one either, unsurprisingly. On Fri, 21 April 2000, nexusmagazine wrote: Duncan, As I recall, I asked you to support you claims with some sort of references as I thought you were talking out of your arse. In your post, you not only fully source all of your claims, you give all of the references AND a long verbatim quotation from the original author of this work. I think that I could hardly ask for more, Thank you. Silas PS Any good tips for removing egg from ones face? You removed any egg with your post above. Enjoy the article. regards Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] Reno Decides To Remove Elian From Miami Kin
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! Reno Decides To Remove Elian From Miami Kin Father Francisco Santana, right, greets Elian Gonzalez Thursday while the boy plays in an electric car at his great-uncle's house in Miami. (Reuters) Attorney General Janet Reno met with Elian Gonzalez' father today but would not give a commitment on a particular course of action or timetable for reuniting him with his 6-year-old son Elian, whom Miami relatives refuse to relinquish. By Karen DeYoung Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, April 21, 2000; Page A01 Attorney General Janet Reno has decided to remove Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami great-uncle and has instructed federal law enforcement officials to determine the optimum moment to do so based on variables ranging from Miami traffic to the weather forecast, officials said yesterday. Once she is told the time is right on the ground, Reno will decide. Officials said Reno's primary concern is the safety of Elian and of the government agents involved, and that they expected to move by the middle of next week. Reno's decision was bolstered--some said pushed--by President Clinton, who for the first time took a firm public position on the controversy yesterday. "He should be reunited with his son," Clinton said of Elian's father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez. "That is the law." Clinton's remarks came after an emotional public appeal by Gonzalez for American citizens to "please help me" by calling, writing letters or "doing whatever you can" to press for Elian's return. "My son is only a 6-year-old child," Gonzalez told reporters camped outside the Bethesda home of a Cuban diplomat where he has been staying since arriving from Havana two weeks ago. "He's a son like every other son or child in America. No different. Anyone who has feelings, who knows the love of parent for a child, please help me. Don't let people put politics first." Gonzalez said "it hurts me a lot to see what they're doing" to Elian in Miami. Clinton's remarks came in a planned question-and-answer opportunity in the Rose Garden as he welcomed Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for Middle East peace discussions. Choosing his words carefully, he said that Wednesday's appeals court order preventing Elian from leaving for Cuba until court challenges are resolved had removed "any conceivable argument" from Miami to delay the reunion. He said that it should happen "in as prompt and orderly a way as possible." Asked about the appeals court suggestion that Elian may have rights independent from his father's wishes, Clinton said such a conclusion would be "a dramatic departure from the law." Even if that became an issue during the appeals hearing next month, he said, the court had said nothing to prevent Elian from being with his father "while all this legal process plays out." Clinton has kept the controversy at arm's length since it began nearly five months ago, saying that decisions were up to Reno and the courts. But as Reno has set and let pass a series of deadlines for the child to be relinquished by the Miami relatives and courts have ruled, White House officials privately have complained that the government has seemed cowed by the potential ire of the Cuban American community. Aides said Clinton and Reno spent 45 minutes discussing the Elian case Wednesday night as they flew back on Air Force One from ceremonies commemorating the fifth anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing. Yesterday morning, Reno met with Immigration and Naturalization Service Commissioner Doris M. Meissner and senior legal and law enforcement officials from the department. Among the options discussed was delaying enforcement action until after the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals deals with the question before it--whether the INS must consider a political asylum request for Elian. A federal district court last month rejected the Miami relatives' challenge to an INS ruling that only Elian's father could make such a request. The appeals court has scheduled a preliminary hearing on the matter for May 11, but could take weeks after that to reach a decision. Reno rejected that option and instructed law enforcement officials, including U.S. marshals and INS agents, to prepare to activate long-standing plans to remove Elian from the home of his Miami great-uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez, and to inform her when the time is right do it. Although they are depending on local police to deal with potential violence from demonstrators, federal officials have long been monitoring the crowd gathered around the Gonzalez home in Little Havana. Juan Miguel Gonzalez was said to be encouraged by yesterday's developments, particularly Clinton's statement, but he was scheduled to meet with his attorney, Gregory B. Craig, today for what sources described as an "options meeting." Among those options, the sources said, was "more self-help," including the possibility of launching court
[CTRL] Beliefs, ettiquette, list behavior, etc. . .
Kris, the list owner has addressed this subject already and it is not my place to speak for him, he has stated quite well his policy and the what is expected here. I write this only to throw in my two cents worth to promote discussion and eliminate dissension where possible. First, everyone should be aware that there are people who will disagree with you, and some who will do so very vehemently. You must be aware of it and be ready to accept it, or don't post anything. Once you post or comment you open yourself up to comment, some of which will be quite strident in opposition. In other words if you can't take some heat then you need to get out of the kitchen. That said. . . Second, it would do everyone a world of good if we had some basic manners in how we approach discussion and try to avoid personal attacks. Attack the ideas if they offend you, but don't attack the man who brings them. This list is for discussion and not for personal flaming fests. Some latitude is given for making points but really, let us al be a little more civil, and remember that we are all basically on the same side, and after the same things (except for the sceptics, and agents among you, but we are not here to please them anyway). Thirdly, there is no right to be believed, there is no right to have your questions answered. Getting huffy if someone refuses to provide references is okay to make your point that there is nothing forthcoming, but going on and on is a little unnecessary. Most people here have a brain and can see the connection between A and B without being driven there. Sometimes people will refuse to be drawn further into a discussion they cannot or will not continue (this is a good thing) so don't goad them forever. Fourth, issues of BELIEF (like religion, philosophy, and even evolution) are poor subject to discuss here, at least in relation to their TRUTH or NON-TRUTH, since such discussions will never be resolved and no one's mind will be changed. These discussions always lead to personal attacks and pointless rhetoric that just have my mail box filled with re:, re:, re:, re:, re:, forever. These issues can be discussed if the emphasis is placed on the conspiracy angles involved in their origin, and disemmination, and NOT on the VALIDITY per se. After rambling on and on let me just say that we need to all be a little circumspect in what we say and do and remember there are all kinds of people here with all kinds of beliefs, let us argue facts (or lack thereof), and ideas, and not go about attacking each other, it wastes time and solves nothing. T "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fidel talks of Worldwide Apartheid
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Fidel castro is one of the richest men on earth just beating the David Rockerfeller $4.5bn. I suppose he wants to compete with bill gates. (Source was forbes magazine) Which issue? What was Forbes' source? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] For the Record: Clinton's Legacy!
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! I keep hearing from several I keep hearing from several different sources, including the media (Public Enemy Number 1), that Clinton keeps looking for a legacy to have himself rememered in the United States when he is gone. This statement is so full of BS and simple to explain. Clinton, the Comrade-in-chief, hates the USA and is trying to destroy our Republic, why would he want top leave a legacy to a courtry he hates that was founded on principles which he has not. He belongs to the Socialists who try to brain wash others that they are for the people which is another lie. They are for a rich corrupt few. How else could they sell it? Communism doesn't work and most people know it. Communists and Socialists I think belong to something I call the Big Baby Syndrome! For in the Communist doctrine it states in so many words if you don;t get your way doing something one way, well try another way and you don;t have to care about right or wrong to get there. What does a child who wants something so bad do when he or she wants something! Well temper tanttrums, crying, annything to get attention till they get their way! A psychologist would call such a person very immature, not sure of themselves and maybe even psychotic! Voila! Clinton! Bill **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: VIRUS IN A MAIL FOR YOU FROM
It was in an attachment in an email to the list. It wasn't spoofed. I assume everyone got it. I've sent the info on which specific email it was to Kris. Contact him if you're concerned. The offending email was innocently enough sent. The person sending it is a very nice person, who somehow had this slip by his up to date virus definitions. It was a .vbs. I went to the archive page and norton 2000 notified me of it too. I didn't even get the email. My isp notified me of it and stopped it's delivery to me. I was just warning others to be wary. It was a an attachment called links.vbs Hope no one opened it. I don't open any attachment that I am not specifically expecting, even from a friend, so I wouldn't have opened it anyway. Tara -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Kingsbury Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 12:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: VIRUS IN A MAIL FOR YOU FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] The virus did NOT come from the CTRL list - it came from a hidden source. Same thing happened to me about six months ago. The address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is faked (spoofed). Note that "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is not the address you receive your other list messages from -- and certainly, the "owner" of the CTRL list is not busy sending viruses directly to you with his address on them. The only possible way to trace the message is to look at the original message header - and /or contact your ISP. Better yet, just keep your virus scanner updated. Best of luck. --- Tara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone get a virus from the list? I don't know what it was. Tara -Original Message- From: root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRUS IN A MAIL FOR YOU FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] V I R U S A L E R T Our Virus scanner found a VIRUS in a mail from "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to you. Delivery of the EMail was stopped! If you require further details please contact RipNET. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Air Force May Eject Anthrax-Shot Rebel
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! Air Force May Eject Anthrax-Shot Rebel NewsMax.com April 21, 2000 He asked to be allowed to resign honorably after refusing anthrax inoculation. Now he faces a dishonorable discharge instead. When some pilots and other air-crew members fell ill after taking the military's anthrax vaccine injections, Air Force Capt. Clifton Volpe was among the first to dig in his heels at the mandatory program. Several months ago, after he refused the shots, Volpe was reprimanded and fined $3,210. But his punishment didn't stop there, the pilot said. He alleged his superior officers persisted in harassing and finding other ways of punishing him. So, last week Volpe submitted his resignation through the chain of command to Air Force Secretary F. Whitten Peters, asking for an "honorable" separation. Next thing he knew, Volpe said, back came his resignation request, which had only made it up the ladder to his squadron commander, Lt. Col. Kenneth Konicki, who tacked on a note that read: "Officers may not apply for [separation] when their commanders notify them that ... discharge action is being considered." And what did that mean? When he inquired, Volpe said, he was advised that what were being considered included "less than honorable" and the more-serious "dishonorable" discharges. In March, a higher Air Force officer, Maj. Sonnie Bates, received a less-detrimental general discharge after he had been reprimanded and fined for refusing, on personal health grounds, to take the anthrax vaccinations. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Most don't favor new gun laws
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! April 21, 2000 Poll: Most don't favor new gun laws By Donald Lambro THE WASHINGTON TIMES Visit our Election 2000 page for daily election news and analysis Bush, Gore differ on whether tougher enforcement is enough The presidential candidates sharpened their positions on guns and violence Thursday as a new poll found that most Americans favor stricter enforcement of existing gun laws over more controls on firearm sales and safety. Nearly two-thirds of Americans now believe it is more important to enforce existing gun laws "than to enact new statutes aimed at restricting weapons sales and improving gun safety," according to a national survey of voter attitudes toward guns and youth violence by the Pew Research Center. On the anniversary of the high school shooting rampage in Littleton, Colo., that left 15 dead, the Pew poll found that just 6 percent of voters believe that tougher gun control laws would prevent a reoccurrence of the Columbine High School tragedy. At campaign appearances Thursday, Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore staked out different positions on gun violence â an issue that has grown to one of major concern among voters in the aftermath of the shootings at Columbine and at other schools. Supported by the Pew findings, Mr. Bush said he thought it was more important to pursue tougher enforcement of the nation's present gun laws than to enact more laws. He also said that teaching character, values, and right and wrong in schools was the most effective, long-term answer to youth violence. "Strict enforcement of tough laws is important. But ultimately the safety of our children depends on more than laws. It depends on the values we teach them, and the kind of culture we create and condone." Mr. Bush said that "character education," which his school reforms have made a part of the Texas school curriculum, should be added to every school curriculum in the country. "Columbine was a sad lesson, but it is an important reminder for us to love our children and to teach our children what's right in life and what's wrong in life and to make the right choices," he said. Mr. Bush's emphasis on teaching values and character, along with increased federal funding for such curriculums, earned some rare praise from Mr. Gore, who called for tougher gun laws at an appearance at Fort Lee, N.J. "I compliment him for doing that," Mr. Gore said. "I think that's right near the top of the list." Speaking at a student assembly at Fort Lee High School, Mr. Gore said there was no "easy, glib, silver-bullet answer" to juvenile shootings, which, despite the higher profile of recent years, have been declining. Mr. Gore proposed new gun control laws that would, among other things, require photo licenses for handgun buyers and mandate gun makers and licensed dealers to report sales to a state authority. Mr. Gore also was critical of concealed weapons laws, such as the one that Mr. Bush signed into law in 1995 that allows people with permits to carry guns to protect themselves. The vice president's campaign put out a press release Thursday listing the "differences on gun control" with his Republican rival. But the Bush campaign responded with a statement saying that Mr. Gore "failed to explain why prosecuting current gun laws is not a priority," noting the Pew poll. "It's fine to call for new laws, but it cannot hide Al Gore's failed record on enforcing the current gun laws already on the books," said a Bush campaign spokesman. An Associated Press poll Thursday also found stronger support for stricter enforcement (42 percent) vs. tougher gun control laws (33 percent). One year ago, immediately after the Littleton shootings, more than half of Americans said more gun laws was the answer. Meanwhile, the Pew poll's findings appeared to support Mr. Bush's emphasis on placing more responsibility upon schools and parents to teach values to young people. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
[CTRL] MARSHALS TO TAKE ELIAN SATURDAY: CBS
MARSHALS TO TAKE ELIAN SATURDAY: CBS Source: NewsMax.com http://www.newsmax.com/ With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story... Friday April 21, 2000; 12:27 PM EDT Marshals to Take Elian Saturday: CBS http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/4/21/112603 The Clinton administration could arrest six-year-old Elian Gonzalez and turn him over to accused wife-beater Juan Miguel Gonzalez as early as Saturday, CBS News reports in its latest radio broadcasts. Jose Garcia Pedrosa, attorney for Elian's Miami family, said that federal marshals can expect no cooperation from family members when zero hour arrives. "Without a psychological evaluation that says that, that is in the best interests of the boy in the opinion of a professional, not a lawyer or an immigration official, that's correct," said Pedrosa. Pedrosa voiced concerns that officials have done nothing to investigate multiple accounts of spousal and child abuse against Mr. Gonzalez. "When a child makes allegations of this sort in this country, we don't believe the child and we don't disbelieve the child," the lawyer said. "We evaluate the allegations to determine whether a professional thinks they are true." On Thursday President Clinton cited this week's ruling by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals which prohibits Juan Miguel Gonzalez from leaving the country until the court fully adjudicates his son's plea for asylum. "There is now no conceivable argument for (Gonzalez) not being able to be reunited with his son," said Clinton. But neither the president nor Attorney General Janet Reno has said what they would do if Juan Miguel Gonzalez and his Cuban handlers decide to ignore the court and sneak the child out of the country. If Mr. Gonzalez takes his boy back to where's he's been staying, the Cuban diplomatic residence in Bethesda, Maryland, he will be on Cuban soil and beyond the reach of U.S. law. Last week The New York Times reported that Cuban officials said they would waive diplomatic immunity on the Bethesda property, but never filed a formal request with the State Department to do so. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2
SkeptiNews 000421b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question
* Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/20_04_2000.html
* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* Site of latest notices, excuses, news/views: http://skeptilog.pitas.com
* No chupacabras were captured during production of this bulletin. Darn.
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# FutureRama: http://time.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,42354,00.html
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# Dogs, Not 'Goat Sucker' Kill Livestock. SANTIAGO, Chile (Reuters) Roving
dogs, not a mythical, blood-thirsty beast known locally as "chupacabras,"
or "goat sucker," are responsible for the deaths of farm animals in north
Chile. Govt cover-up? http://news.excite.com/news/r/000421/08/odd-chile
# DINOSAURS MAY HAVE BEEN WARM-BLOODED!! TELL A CREATIONIST!!
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2420/us/dino_heart_2.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/2420/us/dino_heart_5.html
@ If genetic discrimination is so unfair, so morally offensive, why
do you discriminate between people on the basis of their genetic
make-up? Yes, you. http://slate.msn.com/Readme/00-04-17/Readme.asp
# Adult Video for Pandas: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9716218
: What's your favorite vertebrate animal?Have you tracked/devoured/analyzed/
fucked (m)any vertebrates lately? Do you discriminate between vertebrates,
based on their genes, skins,brains, warm/cold-bloodedness? Is this so wrong?
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# URGE-TO-KILL is common- "even 'nice' people contemplate murder in graph-
ic detail" http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=31332
# FRIENDS VS DEMENTIA www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=31802
# Cigarettes don't protect against mental decline dementia, Alzheimer's:
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565881159-388
@ Ganzfeld Experiment. The ganzfeld ("total field") experiment uses a kind
of sensory deprivation to test for psi. The hypothesis of the creator of
the ganzfeld experiments, parapsychologist Charles Honorton, is that if
psi exists, there should be a greater than chance match between the images
of the senders and receivers. http://www.skepdic.com/ganzfeld.html
: Have you had any psychic/demented/murderous thoughts lately? Can your con-
dition be prevented with drugs, diet, socialization, surgery, electronics,
prayer/fantasizing, miracles? Have you thought of killing psychics lately?
@ PILATES - bring bodies back into balance: http://balancedbody.com/pg2.html
http://www.healthcentral.com/FitorFat/FitorFatFullText.cfm?ID=31826src=n16
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# Computer Game Lampoons German Political Scandal. (Reuters) A German firm
has released a computer game in which players win points by hurling brief-
cases stuffed with cash at prominent members of Germany's scandal-tainted
conservative party. http://news.excite.com/news/r/000419/10/odd-scandal
# Burma bans political talk, anonymity, unapproved Web sites - actually
an improvement: http://www.y2kculture.com/mccullagh/burma.1296.txt
The Law: http://pcmlp.socleg.ox.ac.uk/transition/issue04/updates.htm
# DRUG TRAFFICKERS THRIVE IN GLOBAL ECONOMY- globalisation aids money-laund-
ering: http://chblue.com/2000/04/20/ANA/0387-0387-Drugs-report.sched...asp
# Gore promotes 'green' credentials - Greens say Gore sold-out to polluters,
cartels: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565898545-322
# BUSH STICKS TO POSITION ON CONFEDERATE FLAG - slavery should be a state
issue too: http://CNN.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/04/20/bush.flag.ap/
# Baby-sales banned - bill prohibits buying, selling of human infants:
http://apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/2000/04/20/babysales0420_01.html
: Has your conspiracy suppressed/manipulated/exploited global communications
lately? Is the entire globe y'r feeding-ground now? Are there any localities
left, any local issues, or is it all fodder for your political/economic maw?
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# International Ban on Bioweapons Is Failing. A 25-year-old treaty has
failed to halt proliferation of biological weapons, and the United
States has little defense against germ or toxin warfare by terrorists or
rogue nations. Bother. http://www.sltrib.com/04202000/utah/42724.htm
# Act Now To Curb BioWar: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9713779
# Another Gulf War Syndrome Victim? http://sightings.com/general/gulf.htm
# Yugos Join ChemWeapons Ban: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9716695
# Bin Laden Terrorists Plan Nerve Gas Attacks - Israel, Western Media/Govts
Stay Silent - gas stockpiled in Amman, Jordan - foiled plot signals a new
readiness by terrorists to use non-conventional weapons - a frightening,
lethal escalation: http://www.sightings.com/general/laden.htm
: What's your favorite non-conventional weapon? Have you poisoned/infected
anyone lately? Was it a
Re: [CTRL] Fidel talks of Worldwide Apartheid
I've seen that number (or something close to it) for Castro bumping around for a few years now. Not sure where it ultimately came from. It seems, with the government controlling so much crap in Cuba, that you could include all sorts of things in a measure of Castro's wealth. He may have that much money just by what he's saved on wardrobe costs the last 41 years. --- nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Fidel castro is one of the richest men on earth just beating the David Rockerfeller $4.5bn. nessie: Which issue? What was Forbes' source? = Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mindspring.com/~sevnout - "A paranoid-schizophrenic is a guy who just found out what's going on" -- William S. Burroughs __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fidel talks of Worldwide Apartheid
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: 've seen that number (or something close to it) for Castro bumping around for a few years now. Not sure where it ultimately came from. So many lies have been told about this man that the truth is extremely hard to discern. I highly recommend you read Jon Elliston's excellent new book: PsyWar on Cuba: The Declassified History of U.S. Anti-Castro Propaganda, ISBN 1-876175-09-5. It'll open your eyes. Of course, just because he's lied about by known villians doesn't in and of itself mean he's a nice guy. All it means is he has enemies. Personally, I'm loath to believe anything anybody says about their enemies. I'm sure that in real life Castro has both faults and virtues. We all do. Personally, I don't like the guy and I don't like Bolshevism. But I'm not Cuban, so it's none of my business. If they want to live like that, let 'em. Just don't try to drag me into it. I wont go. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MARSHALS TO TAKE ELIAN SATURDAY: CBS
The Clinton administration could arrest six-year-old Elian Gonzalez and turn him over to accused wife-beater Juan Miguel Gonzalez as early as Saturday, CBS News reports in its latest radio broadcasts. Jose Garcia Pedrosa, attorney for Elian's Miami family, said that federal marshals can expect no cooperation from family members when zero hour arrives. Talk about rhetoric! "Arrest"?? "Accused wife-beater" What nonsense...the boy belongs with his father...regardless of his countries ideology. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: RMNEWS ELIAN RESCUE MISSION HIDING SOMETHING FAR BIGGER
===RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY=== IS THE THREAT OF AN ELIAN RESCUE MISSION HIDING SOMETHING FAR BIGGER? April 20, 2000 From Rayelan: Dear Rumor Mill News Readers, The following was sent to me by a regular reader. After reading it, I was prompted to put into words EVERYTHING I was told today. My sources gave me a lot more information than I put into the first email -- I will add the rest of their information after the following -- From a Rumor Mill News Reader: === Hi: I have been calling the Gore office for the past two weeks posing as a concerned Democrat, (which is not the case) stating to them that our family and others, Mexicans, Jews, etc. will NOT vote for Gore if Elian is taken from Miami. I have other friends calling too. Their office was very upset and may be putting the pressure on in INS and Reno because of the Nov. election. They , the leftists, pro-commies, are worried that Gore may not be elected because the U.S. Mexicans are turning against Clinton/Gore/Reno on this issue of Elian being taken from Miami and the leftists don't want bad press, because they want their votes in Calif. and the Cubans' votes in Fla. , which they will not get if he is stolen from the Miami house. The toll-free number for Congress and Gore is 1-888-449-3511. Keep bombarding them with calls! Have all your people call Gore's office on Fri. to say they will NOT vote for Gore if he does not pressure Clinton and Reno to keep Elian in Miami, and also call all the Demos. Reps. who are for keeping him in Miami away from the clutches of his Father, who is really Castro, and tell them that we agree that he should be kept in Miami for his safety. Thanks, From Rayelan: After I read this email from a colleague, I felt I needed to tell the rest of what I was told today. Two separate people imparted information today. Both agreed that what the people in power are really afraid of is not Miami riots -- it is something else -- something so big that the people in power will do anything to keep the lid on it -- In other words -- keeping our attention focused on Elian -- will keep our attention off something else -- If the "Elian Rescue Mission" turns into a Waco type standoff-- the media will be tied up for weeks -- maybe months -- This will give the people in power the time to try to disfuse the scandal that is just about to leap full blown into public awareness. While riots over Elian are going on -- the American people won't have any idea what is really happening -- I was also being told today that a low yield, back pack nuke may be used in LA -- not above ground -- but below -- to cause an earthquake. Shortly after I was told this, I received an email from Mitch Battos stating that the conditions going on around the earth -- as caused by the sun -- could cause earthquakes. The big Southern California earthquake -- in the early 90's -- the one that caused the earth to shoot straight up and then fall back, was probably caused by a very small nuclear device. I bet that one was just a test run -- Can you imagine what would happen if a medium size -- low yield nuclear device was used to cause an earthquake in the LA basin? Placed in the right location -- this quake could even open a fissure to the ocean -- and the LA Basin would slowly become a lake -- This lake could eventually fill up other California low lands -- maybe even the bread basket of the world -- the San Joaquin valley -- Something that farmers in the southern part of the Valley know, is that there is a virus attacking certain crops. No one is talking about it -- but could flooding the area keep the virus from spreading to the rest of the nation? That could be the cover story that is being given to the planning group to get them to go along with a nuclear created LA earthquake -- sacrifice thousands to save millions -- I think Truman used the same story when he dropped the bombs on Japan. However -- it is my belief that the virus is PART of the plan to keep the United States from being able to grow its own food -- If someone is trying to flood an area of California -- their cover tory -- just in case the truth about the fake earthquake ever came out -- would be that our government was trying to isolate the virus and keep it from spreading. I won't believe the cover story. I don't think that whoever is behind detonating a low yield, medium size nuke in the LA area -- in order to cause an earthquake -- would do this to STOP the plan to end agriculture in The United States -- The "End of Agriculture in the United States" is vital to the implementation of the One World Government. Americans will have to depend on other countries for their food. When this happens -- Americans won't be able to launch wars or exploit other countries. If they do, their food will be cut off. In other words -- the NWO thinks that if the world is interdependent -- rather than INDEPENDENT -- The world
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3
SkeptiNews 000421c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/20_04_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * Site of latest notices, excuses, news/views: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Demons: http://salon.com/mwt/comics/barry/2000/04/21/demons2/index.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Hacker zaps access to Area 51 pics. RALEIGH, NC (AP) - A hacker disrupted service for 36 hours to a Web site showing detailed satellite images of Area 51, the top-secret Air Force site in Nevada. Aerial Images Inc. said the hacker struck 6 hours after 5 images of the desert proving ground were loaded onto the site http://www.terraserver.com. The attack, combined with traffic 10 times what the site usually bears, meant millions of geeks found access difficult or impossible. Service was disrupted for 4 days. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565896697-5a0 ## WHAT'S NEW - Friday, 21 Apr 2000: http://www.aps.org/WN/ 1. FLASH!! RUSSIA APPROVES THE COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN TREATY. About time. 2. SPY HYSTERIA: DOWNLOADED INFORMATION WAS RECLASSIFIED. That fixes it. 3. GLOBAL WARMING? AS EARTH WARMS, THE RHETORIC MAY BE COOLING. Maybe. 4. AREA 51: IS THAT A TENNIS COURT? Commenting on the first commercial satellite images of the super secret site, a Pentagon spokesman didn't do much to squelch UFO rumors: "we have had more than 40 years to learn how to deal with overhead surveillance." And the ETs helped, of course. : Do your military/govt/corporate/church masters pay you well to hack/crack/ jam/slam hostile websites? Do you sometimes attack innocuous sites to create publicity, drawing attention away from vital activities/information/sites? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Alternative religions. (U-WIRE) COLCHESTER, Vt. -- As you read this, a natural force exuded by all living things is giving you the potential to be in touch with the earth and its creatures. Just don't stay in touch with aliens: http://news.excite.com/news/uw/000420/university-206 # Cornwall's Landscape Hides Zodiac Signs. The shapes of a dozen giant figures representing the signs of the zodiac have been discovered in the landscape of the Lizard Peninsula in Cornwall. Astrologers need earthmoving equipment: http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/zodiafig.htm # Visitors Invited to Talk With Their Animals. COMMACK, N.Y. /PRNewswire/ Customers will be able to chat with their cat or pick their pooch's brain with the help of a professional psychic at the grand opening of the Commack PETCO: http://news.excite.com/news/pr/000419/ny-petco-commack : D'ya prefer to stay in touch with live/dead things; humans/animals/aliens/ spirits/robots/me; geological adornments?Have you molded any landscapes/pet- shops/brains lately? Do natural energies move thru you? Are they metered?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Germans gather at targeted temple. ERFURT, Germany (AP) - Germans laid flowers and held a vigil outside a small synagogue after it was targeted in an attempted arson attack, possibly by neo-Nazis angry that police had broken up a party celebrating Adolf Hitler's birthday. Traditional burning of Jews: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565899419-91f # Jailed Nazi: http://news.excite.com/photo/img/r/chile/nazis/2418/stg01 # Nazi victims' organs 'still stored' - 100+ body parts at University of Vienna: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_721000/721037.stm # Germans Debate Neo-Nazi Web Sites - conservatives say plan doesn't go far enough http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000417/11/germany-neo-nazis-internet # Two Arrested for Nazi Salutes. STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Two Britons living in Sweden were arrested by police early Thursday in the western port city of Gothenburg suspected of racist pro-Nazi remarks and salutes. Such shit not appreciated there: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000420/08/odd-britain : Who's your favorite Nazi? Have you burnt (m)any Jews lately? Is Passover/ Easter your favorite season for killing Jews? D'ya have any special rituals for Jew-killing? Does thinking of Jews cause an arm-raising reflex action? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Pilgrims retrace Jesus' steps - festival to end with ritual Jew-killing. JERUSALEM (AP) - Singing hymns and carrying large wooden crosses, throngs of millennium pilgrims marched in solemn Good Friday processions, retrac- ing what tradition says were Jesus' final steps to his crucifixion. Nails and hammers: http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565895785-6d1 # Priest Bans Miniskirts at Easter Mass. BOGOTA (Reuters) A Roman Catholic priest has banned women in miniskirts from attending Mass over Easter at his parish church in a sweltering port city on Colombia's Caribbean coast.
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3
SkeptiNews 000421c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/20_04_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * Site of latest notices, excuses, news/views: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No faithful pilgrims were trampled during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Demons: http://salon.com/mwt/comics/barry/2000/04/21/demons2/index.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Hacker zaps access to Area 51 pics. RALEIGH, NC (AP) - A hacker disrupted service for 36 hours to a Web site showing detailed satellite images of Area 51, the top-secret Air Force site in Nevada. Aerial Images Inc. said the hacker struck 6 hours after 5 images of the desert proving ground were loaded onto the site http://www.terraserver.com. The attack, combined with traffic 10 times what the site usually bears, meant millions of geeks found access difficult or impossible. Service was disrupted for 4 days. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565896697-5a0 ## WHAT'S NEW - Friday, 21 Apr 2000: http://www.aps.org/WN/ 1. FLASH!! RUSSIA APPROVES THE COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN TREATY. About time. 2. SPY HYSTERIA: DOWNLOADED INFORMATION WAS RECLASSIFIED. That fixes it. 3. GLOBAL WARMING? AS EARTH WARMS, THE RHETORIC MAY BE COOLING. Maybe. 4. AREA 51: IS THAT A TENNIS COURT? Commenting on the first commercial satellite images of the super secret site, a Pentagon spokesman didn't do much to squelch UFO rumors: "we have had more than 40 years to learn how to deal with overhead surveillance." And the ETs helped, of course. : Do your military/govt/corporate/church masters pay you well to hack/crack/ jam/slam hostile websites? Do you sometimes attack innocuous sites to create publicity, drawing attention away from vital activities/information/sites? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Alternative religions. (U-WIRE) COLCHESTER, Vt. -- As you read this, a natural force exuded by all living things is giving you the potential to be in touch with the earth and its creatures. Just don't stay in touch with aliens: http://news.excite.com/news/uw/000420/university-206 # Cornwall's Landscape Hides Zodiac Signs. The shapes of a dozen giant figures representing the signs of the zodiac have been discovered in the landscape of the Lizard Peninsula in Cornwall. Astrologers need earthmoving equipment: http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/zodiafig.htm # Visitors Invited to Talk With Their Animals. COMMACK, N.Y. /PRNewswire/ Customers will be able to chat with their cat or pick their pooch's brain with the help of a professional psychic at the grand opening of the Commack PETCO: http://news.excite.com/news/pr/000419/ny-petco-commack : D'ya prefer to stay in touch with live/dead things; humans/animals/aliens/ spirits/robots/me; geological adornments?Have you molded any landscapes/pet- shops/brains lately? Do natural energies move thru you? Are they metered?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Germans gather at targeted temple. ERFURT, Germany (AP) - Germans laid flowers and held a vigil outside a small synagogue after it was targeted in an attempted arson attack, possibly by neo-Nazis angry that police had broken up a party celebrating Adolf Hitler's birthday. Traditional burning of Jews: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565899419-91f # Jailed Nazi: http://news.excite.com/photo/img/r/chile/nazis/2418/stg01 # Nazi victims' organs 'still stored' - 100+ body parts at University of Vienna: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_721000/721037.stm # Germans Debate Neo-Nazi Web Sites - conservatives say plan doesn't go far enough http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000417/11/germany-neo-nazis-internet # Two Arrested for Nazi Salutes. STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Two Britons living in Sweden were arrested by police early Thursday in the western port city of Gothenburg suspected of racist pro-Nazi remarks and salutes. Such shit not appreciated there: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000420/08/odd-britain : Who's your favorite Nazi? Have you burnt (m)any Jews lately? Is Passover/ Easter your favorite season for killing Jews? D'ya have any special rituals for Jew-killing? Does thinking of Jews cause an arm-raising reflex action? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Pilgrims retrace Jesus' steps - festival to end with ritual Jew-killing. JERUSALEM (AP) - Singing hymns and carrying large wooden crosses, throngs of millennium pilgrims marched in solemn Good Friday processions, retrac- ing what tradition says were Jesus' final steps to his crucifixion. Nails and hammers: http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565895785-6d1 # Priest Bans Miniskirts at Easter Mass. BOGOTA (Reuters) A Roman Catholic priest has banned women in miniskirts from attending Mass over Easter at his parish church in a sweltering port city on
Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family
this page also has a LOT of Bush links http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/index.htm uaicvtmb wrote: Dear Linda: Thank you for your time and consideration. I apprecate the article you had forwarded to me. I notice this was Chapter 1, is there a "book" this came from which I can access? The request for info about the "Hertiage Councils and Nationalities Groups" still stands. As I would like to research this for info relating to the establishment of the Group located in Bridgeport, Conn. area. Wishing you a Happy Easter for you and your family. Sincerely: Mike ** A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 NEW http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Megalithic Science, Harmonics Energy Grids
Megalithic Science, Harmonics Energy Grids http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/back.htm By BRUCE L. RAPHAEL I have been collating site data since 1984 with emphasis on geodetic placement of archaeological anomalies in Australia and their relationship to the earths energy grids. My background in rock-art research, and my academic background in marine sciences (at the Bermuda Biological Station in the 70s and at the University of Hartford in environmental studies) and geography perhaps lead me to this area of research. I wasnt discouraged by the director of AURA (Australias rock art research bureau), Robert Bednarik s comment that from his professional analysis, there is no evidence of a megalithic entrada of people before colonial settlement and if there was, is this proof of some conspiracy or coverup on the part of the collective research done by academic professionals? In this article I wish to present the evidence of a megalithic science which is defined as the use of stone menhirs to define places which link the visitor to the conditions of ritual: 1) a comforting holy space that links earth with heaven, 2) a mathematical quotient that ties the participant to the energy grid and its message and, 3) the celestial equation astronomical placement of earth-sun-moon-stars at the viewing station. My collated research provides support to Marilyn Pyes findings. Her absence from the media and eclectic circles has allowed all involved the preparation time to face our opponents. Working silently from 1985 to the present, ensuring the evidence was verifiable and synchronised with current archaeological issues, I waited patiently for Marilyn to come to her conclusions and go public with her story. An important book to read is Oppenheimers Eden of the East which outlines the basic theory that the earths cataclysms from around 8000 BCE contributed to a science of the dreaming, a world myth that required a rebuilding of the balance between heaven and earth, earth weather metastability, seasonal variation, and cultural resettlement as depicted by the search for new territories by cultures in collision as represented by the myths of the twins, brothers or variant bloodlines as in the Cain and Able story. Oppenheimer was aware of very little news of our lost civilisation issues here in Australia, with much of his extensive research pointing to New Guinea and the Polynesian express theory, Lapita culture evidence, and the spread of a metaphysical heritage from Southeast Asia into the West. Australian ethnographers are well aware of the role of the Rainbow Serpent in Aboriginal legends about the flood epic. Many legends record the disappearance of the moon and sky. The action of great flooding brought about the collapse of the Sundra Shelf and hence sent further maritime expeditions away from the coastlines of Vietnam, China and Thailand. The question of South American and Middle Eastern presence is an additional string in a long chain of events that brought many entradas to Australia. Keeping in touch with Marilyn Pye and her story has been an ongoing pursuit since 1984 when I first came to Australia to look at the evidence. I tracked her activities in my journal for over 15 years trying to keep an accurate record of her movements and acquisitions. Her relaunch of her theory and findings will contribute greatly now to a new millennium of controversy. Her quest to find and discover the Golden Pyramid along with her quiet digs and geological surveys in Cooktown is where the story truly begins. I spent the last 10 years mapping and surveying sites that were connected in energy-grid dynamics to the Cooktown question and found some amazing results. In this article I will focus on four sites that have mathematical configurations based on the Cathian lunar grid. How many grids are there now? Muncks, Haartmans Neutral Grid, the Becker-Hagan Solar Grid, and the Cathian Lunar Grid, to mention the most popular. Since 1984 I had many correspondences with Bruce Cathie and in one of them he assisted me in getting started on how the data stacked up in grid math. The sites are: Ayers Rock (Marker R), Aboriginal Stonehenge (Marker H), Marilyns site (Marker B), and Marker E-Series the Astronomical Observatory at Mt. Carbine. In my book Rhythms in the Landscape, I inform the reader that if an ancient race were able to position any of these sites correctly on existing grid lines, they would by using a language that was not quite music, not quite alphabet, as we know it. An American epigrapher and rock-art researcher Charles Boyle had put forth a new process in the chapter of reading the record accurately of ancient stone writings and megalithic statements. His focus was on the Gaelic science of Teanga. This he stated could be worked into any language so it was universal a solar-based wisdom. So I was able to view the math evidence with linguistic patterns using Cathie and Boyle as a mainframe. In Diagram 1
Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family
See a long list of groups at the following site: http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/psn/may96/0214.html National Republican Heritage Groups (Nationalities) Council. An umbrella org for various ethnic Republican clubs and operates under the auspices of the Republican National Committee (RNC). In the 1950s, it became the strategy of Eisenhower and Nixon to paint the Democrats as soft on communism. Liberating Eastern Europe became part of the GOP message. The RNC formed an Ethnic Division. "The Republican Heritage Groups Council [has] consciously recruited some of its members--and some of its leaders --from an Eastern European emigre network which includes anti-Semites, racists, authoritarians, and fascists, including sympathizers and collaboraters of Hitler's Third Reich, former Nazis, and even possible war criminals The antidemocratic and racialist components of the Republican Heritage Groups Council use anticommunist sentiments as a cover for their views while the operate as a de facto emigre fascist network within the Republican Party The emigre fascist network within the Republican Party represents a small but significant elements of the coalition which brought Ronald Reagan into the White House. It is from this network that the George Bush presidential campaign assembled its ethnic outreach unit in 1988...a unit that saw eight resignations by persons charged with anti-Semitism, racism, fascist leanings, and even Nazi collaboration They frequently utilize anticommunist sentiments, historical revisionism, and lack of knowledge about Eastern and Central Europe as a shield to deflect inspection and criticism of their past actions and current views The emigre fascist network organizes support for its ideological agenda through national and international coalitions of like-minded constituencies which often work with other authoritarian, antidemocratic, and profascist forces. This broader coalition ranges from Axis allies and their apologists to friends and allies of contemporary dictatorships and authoritarian regimes" (Bellant). In order to drive the point home regarding the extent of the fascist ties the Republican Party now possesses, I want to list some of the members of the Republican Heritage Groups Council: LAZLO PASZTOR (founding chair). Hungarian pro-Nazi party. Served in Berlin at the end of WWII. Involved in ultrarightist groups and fascist networks which working with the GOP. Came to power under Nixon, who promised him the ethnic council would be permanent Today, there are 34 nationality federations and 24 state councils that constitute the NRHGC RADI SLOVOFF (executive director) member of a Bulgarian fascist group and leader of the Bulgarian GOP unit of the Council. Under Nixon, Ivan Docheff (National Front), established the Bulgarian Legion. NICOLAS NAZARENKO (heads a Cossack GOP unit). Former WWII officer in the German SS. "Jews are my ideological enemy." Active in pro-Nazi elements in the U.S. FLORIAN GALDAU Defender of Valerian Trifa, the Romanian archbishop prosecuted for concealing his involvement in war crimes of the pro-Nazi Romanian Iron Guard in WWII. Gauldau is the East Coast recruiter for the Iron Guard of the U.S.. He heads the Romanian Republican unit of the Republican Heritage Groups Council. METHOD BALC (Slovak GOP). Organizes annual commemorations of the Slovak Nazi regime. Monsignor Josef Tiso. Tiso was executed in 1946 as a war criminal. JOHN HVASTA, the key Washington liaison for the Slovak World Congress, helped the 1988 Presidential Campaign of former Ku Klux Klan leader and white supremacist David Duke. WALTER MELIANOVICH (Byelorussian GOP) collaborator of the Nazi WWII occupation. CROATIAN GOP (Note: If you want to understand the zeal to which the US security apparatus helped the Croatians in their terror campaign throughout Northern Bosnia, and the near total cover up of the corporate media in the war crimes of the Croatian forces, it all resides in our historical relationship with the Ustashi for the purposes of Eastern Front surveillance -- indeed, we simply reinstituted the Gehlen spy network in the East. The recent intervention in the Bosnian conflict (one we helped manufacture and one we have been involved in long before Clinton "officially" put troops on the ground there) is for the purposes of projection of US corporate hegemony into the East.) Wrote an apology for the Croatian Ustashi's WWII alliance with Hitler which appeared in a Republican Heritage Groups Council publicans signed by GOP Chair Frank Fahrenkopf. PHILIP A. GUARINE. Honorary American member of the conspiratorial P-2 Masonic Lodge of Italy which plotted in the early 1970s -Original Message- From: ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family this page also has a LOT of Bush links http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/index.htm uaicvtmb wrote:
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #4
SkeptiNews 000421d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/20_04_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * Site of latest notices, excuses, news/views: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No inept hackers were encouraged during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ * APOLOGY - I'm very sorry for inadvertently duplicating the last bulletin. The multiple sends were NOT intentional. I should be severely chastised. WHACK! [ouch] WHACK!! [Ouch] WHACK!WHACK!WHACK!!! [OK, OK, that's enough] _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # AREA 51 PICS IN THE BLACK VAULT. For the past three days, nothing else but Area 51, Area 51, Area 51 is heard throughout the UFO Community. Yet,there are no pictures. TerraServer.com, the company which hosts these images was attacked by hackers,and flooded by users trying to get a new look at these fantastic images. But, they were left with a dead entrance, a door which couldn't be opened, until now. The Black Vault (www.blackvault.com) and SpiderWebGroup Internet Services (www.spiderwebgroup.com) have teamed up to bring you some of these fantastic images. With over twenty images to view of Area 51, you now can get your first glimpse of what this secret base holds. You can see them at: http://www.blackvault.com/area_51.html Please note that all images are copyrighted to their respective owners. : Have you looked at the pictures? Have the pictures looked at you? Did any- one see anything untowards/outré/paranormal/secret? Are the images signifi- cant? If I posted/hyped some bullshit images, would I cause a Net.Jam? Eh? # PARA-NORMAL IMAGES: http://www.sonic.net/~ric/adventure/mar2k/mar2k.htm @ Art: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/prinzhorn-art-review.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Palm VII banned from lab as security threat. LIVERMORE -- Lawrence Liver- more National Laboratory officials have identified a new security threat: the Palm VII personal organizer. It makes it easier for would-be spies to copy and ship guarded information. None of the country's most sensitive material has been compromised, but the lab is not taking chances. http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/merc/docs/001887.htm # Navy Intranet a Security Threat? The sea service's plans to create the world's biggest Intranet is a great idea, except that it could jeopardize national security. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,35713,00.html # RealNetwork Server Attacker Released: http://www.msnbc.com/news/397817.asp # Hackers deride Mafiaboy as 'stupid kid' for Web attacks. (CP) One thing is for sure: Mafiaboy has done little to impress his fellow Internet hackers. http://www.thestar.com/editorial/updates/top/24210_MAFIABOY-HAC.html # MafiaBoy's Dad Busted Too: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9716402 # MafiaDad a Dork: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,35836,00.html @ (Sub)Normal? http://www.iamanidiot.com/ [ via http://www.fark.com/ ] : Have you penetrated any security systems lately? Did they penetrat you? Is it stimulating? Does penetrating security require brains/brawn/beauty/luck? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Error in Genome Done on the Fly. (Wired) A company racing to map every human gene included a bit of the human genome in their fruit fly genome data. Was it being too hasty, or is this much ado about nothing? Does the fly care? http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,35814,00.html @ Nanobe Nanobe! http://www.asmusa.org/memonly/asmnews/apr00/topic5.html @ See Hear - (development of parts of the brain that deal with sight and sound) http://helix.nature.com/nsu/000420/000420-13.html # Facts, Beliefs, and Genetically Modified Food - irrationality in a complex technical debate: http://www.the-scientist.com/yr2000/apr/opin_000417.html # Populations/Ecosystems: Fraying Web Of Life http://www.wri.org/wri/wr2000/ : Have you made (m)any grievous errors in your genetics/ecosystems modifica- tions? Did your latest clone have a leg growing out of her head, or an extra esophagus? Do your supersoybeans bark? Is the forest walking away from you?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Europe's seven female founders. (BBC) Everyone in Europe is descended from just seven women. Arriving at different times during the last 45,000 years, they survived wolves, bears and ice ages to form different clans that eventually became today's population. The Seven Daughters Of Eve: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_719000/719376.stm # Jealousy doesn't stem from culture,capitalism, media,patriarchy, neurosis; just biology/adaptation: http://wwics.si.edu/WQ/WQCURR/WQBKPER/BOOK-2.HTM # Mate Selection and Age: What Females Really Want - computer modeling female choosiness: http://newswise.com/articles/2000/4/MATEAGE.UGA.html @ Interactive Bra:
[CTRL] Police raid bookstore (fwd)
Organization: Eldritch Press I'd like to draw the attention of all of us to the recent police raid on the Tattered Cover bookstore in Denver, Colorado, USA. A hearing will be held May 4, 2000, at which time the North Metro Drug Task Force will press for service of a search warrant on credit card transactions of store book orders. I've put together some clippings at http://www.eldritchpress.org/tattered.txt so you can make up your own mind about the issue. No, the story doesn't apply directly to those of us who publish online books. But it does come at a time when the FTC is putting into effect a new law that limits the information a web site can get on under-13-year-old readers. My personal response is to destroy all my web server logs so there is no question about privacy or search warrants and the like. I don't believe in censorship or banning books or invading reader privacy. (I don't believe in selling amphetamines or throwing bombs either, but I don't think that all of us need to give up our hard-won rights just to cooperate in a war on a few criminals.) The May 4th hearing comes on the anniversary of the Chicago Haymarket bombing incident, the subject of a book I just put online, "The Bomb: A Novel," by Frank Harris, at http://www.eldritchpress.org/harris/bomb.htm Perhaps this 'Law Day,' May 1st, we Americans will stop to reflect on the struggle to achieve an eight-hour working day, and what we have attained so far. -- "Eric" Eric Eldred Eldritch Press mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eldritchpress.org/EricEldred.vcf A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New Look at Ancient Betrayer (fwd)
The distinction may seem to be splitting theological hairs, but Biblical scholars insist it is weighty. One translation makes Judas a traitor. The other could make him an agent of divine will. Along the lines of one of two questions I would ask my Sunday school teachers that would cause them to get a look of extreme dyspepsia (thank goodness it was a 'liberal' church)... But I couldn't understand why, if the whole reason for Jesus to be born on earth and be a physical man was to die as a sacrifice for us, meaning he'd have to be turned over to the authorities and executed instead of living a full life and dying in his sleep of old age...well then, Judas had to be part of a great divine plan of redemption, and not the evil villian that he is usually portrayed as... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [apfn] Re: [CTRL] CNN: Appeals court to hear arguments in Willey case (fwd)
Thanks Steve! Bard poorspa:First poorspa:Last wrote: No. That was Paula Corbin Jones. This a woman he just fondeled, because he thought he could. She reported the incident, and a typical White House smear campaign began. Steve Anderson Richmond, Vermont - Original Message - From: Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: [apfn] Re: [CTRL] CNN: Appeals court to hear arguments in Willey case (fwd) Michael, Isn't she the one who refused to give fellatio to the rapist? -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings to sap your strength to survive. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
I apologise - truly - I had no idea what possessed me! We did have a full moon? They say it brings out the fairies - perhaps I was hallucinating trolls - I dunno. I promise in future to be more circumspect - I'll endeavour to refrain from using "interent troy" and will revert to, as you suggest, the less deviant forms such as "sh*thead, *sshole, etc" Cheers! From Downunder!!! (GGG) BTW - did I ever tell (TRUE STORY!) - the story of one of our Koala's pissing on a politician - ? Oh well - one day maybe. Oddly, about a month after this little fluffy rotter did the dirty deed - there was a Parliamentary inquiry into the feasibility of culling the supposed Koala overpopulation - Hmmm ... I smell a conspiracy afoot - Original Message - From: "Jeff Russo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK! But I'm also always willing to make time to defend freedom of speech from prattling egomaniacal twats, self-appointed censors, and internet trolls like you - that's no problem either. All right... I've seen people get called a lot of rotten things on this list in the last 3 years sh*thead, *sshole, etc... but "internet troll?" That crosses the line. = Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mindspring.com/~sevnout - "A paranoid-schizophrenic is a guy who just found out what's going on" -- William S. Burroughs __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
