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-Caveat Lector- From http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,592449,00.html }}}Begin Interview The west knows now there is no wall to hide behind Afghanistan must be rebuilt valley by valley, says James Wolfensohn Larry Elliott, economics editor Tuesday November 13, 2001 The Guardian The president of the World Bank, James Wolfensohn, warned last night that global poverty was breeding terrorism and called on the west to make good on its promises to bridge the gulf between rich and poor nations. Interviewed on a visit to London, Mr Wolfensohn said attempts to construct a fairer economy were being frustrated by a lack of aid and protectionism in the developed world, but added that the events of September 11 had proved that there was no artificial barrier between the two halves of the world. I was saying before September 11 that the issue of poverty and development, the issue of trade, the issue of the environment, of health, of migration, of crime, of drugs, were all global things. They don't recognise borders, he said. We have a situation where 20% of the world's population have 80% of the wealth, and the other 80% has just 20%. If that's a situation that leads to instability, then we are saying that that instability will convey itself through migration, through wars within countries and through crime and terrorism. Many people of my generation grew up in developed countries thinking that the world was divided into two parts, and that there was a wall round the developed world. They thought that poor people had no relevance to us. W hat happened on September 11 was that anybody who thought there was a wall now knows that there is no wall. Conditions in one part of the world can affect us in the world behind that imaginary wall. Afghanistan can land i n New York or on the Pentagon. Asked whether he thought that the west was responsible for the terrorist attacks, the World Bank president said: I don't know about that. What I would say is that when observers 25 years from now look back on recent even ts they will say the west was ignorant of and didn't give a lot of attention to movements and conditions in the developing world. And people in the developing world were building up hatreds and didn't have the right infor mation about the developed world. Mr Wolfensohn said he was in London to have talks with Tony Blair and Gordon Brown about the reconstruction of Afghanistan and the need for action at this weekend's meetings in Ottawa of the World Bank and the Internation al Monetary Fund to bridge the gap between rich and poor countries. Afghanistan is a country which has very little in terms of existing governance or infrastructure. It doesn't have a political framework. The first thing that's needed is a political solution that's Afghan and not imposed . We have to have people who can take over and work with us. That has to be done almost region by region and valley by valley. We need to help them build governance, strengthen capacity and put systems into place. Then we need an assessment of what's needed region by region. After that we can work on the basic education, health and communication s which they need. We have to meet Afghan needs, but these are likely to be limited by the absorbative capacity of the country. Rebuilding Afghanistan is not going to be solved by pouring billions in. Getting rid of the T aliban does not rid us of the problems of fundamentalism and instability. Mr Wolfensohn said he had no idea how much reconstruction would cost but said that money was unlikely to be a limiting factor. Money had been found for Bosnia, East Timor and Palestine, while the $700m (£480m) proferred a lready for humanitarian relief in Afghanistan suggested that the necessary funds would be available. The Bank's president said that the defeat of the Taliban regime would be crucial in boosting the prospects of educating girls, which the Bank sees as the key indicator of development in poor countries. People who have be en educating girls in Afghanistan have been killed he said. It's a crime there. He added that the west needed to think about an economic cordon sanitaire around the area of conflict that would include northern Pakistan, the former Soviet republics to the north, and Iran to the west. In terms of the global economy, Mr Wolfensohn said it was clear that the terrorist attacks would delay recovery. Prior to September 11, the three engines - the United States, Germany and Japan - were all slowing. We feel that the hoped-for recovery, which is based on confidence, has taken a knock. You don't have to be an economist to make that judgment. With the Bank now expecting global growth of just 1% next year. We are particularly concerned about developing countries, which account for 4.8bn people. They have been hit in terms of falling commodity prices but also i n ways that were not expected, such as the drop off in tourism to the Caribbean. The result is that 20m
[CTRL] Collective Damage
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So. Now the Paks have been silenced up over yonder; what's next?
Their compatriots now join in? AER
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Hundreds of Pakistanis believed massacred
Alliance shoots troops Taliban left behind
Luke Harding and Rory McCarthy in Islamabad
Tuesday November 13, 2001
The Guardian
Hundreds of pro-Taliban Pakistani fighters appear to have been
systematically massacred in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif after
being callously abandoned by retreating Taliban fighters, sources
suggested last night.
The Taliban soldiers fled from Mazar four days ago but failed to
inform a contingent of up to 1,200 Pakistani jihadis that they were
leaving. Opposition troops trapped the Pakistanis in a school on the
outskirts of the city and then shot up to 200 of them, a commander
confirmed yesterday.
We gave them warnings to surrender, Mohammed Muhahiq, a spokesman
for the opposition Shia militia, the Hizb-i-Wahdat, said. They asked
us to send representatives over several times, but unfortunately they
shot them. Finally we gave the order to attack them. Some 200 of them
[Pakistanis] have been killed.
It was not clear last night whether the Pakistani volunteers, many of whom had only
just arrived in Afghanistan, were killed in battle or executed after surrendering. The
Pakistanis, trapped in Sultan Reza school, continu
ed to resist for at least 48 hours after Mazar fell, sources suggested.
There are unconfirmed reports of incidents of violence and summary executions,
Stephanie Bunker, the UN's spokeswoman in Islamabad, said last night.
Reports of a possible massacre by the Northern Alliance, who were last night closing
in on Kabul, will alarm the international coalition, which fears further reprisals if
opposition troops seize the Afghan capital. Presid
ent Bush has asked the opposition to hold off from taking Kabul until a broad-based
government is ready to assume power. But his strategy looks as if it will be swept
away by events.
The UN confirmed that armed gangs in Mazar-i-Sharif looted UN and aid agency offices
and raided food warehouses in the hours before and after the fall of the city last
Friday. Northern Alliance troops had seized a 10-truc
k convoy belonging to Unicef which was carrying tents and water pumps, the UN added.
The troops also looted furniture, computers and radios in Unicef's office. Taliban
fighters had already stolen all of Unicef's vehicles as they fled southwards to
Pul-i-Khumri on the road to Kabul, the agency's spokesman,
Chulho Huyan, said. Soon after the fall of the city groups of armed people entered
Unicef premises and removed almost every item found inside, he added.
The reports confirm the impression that as more cities fall to the Northern Alliance
armed gangs are filling the power vacuum left by the departing Taliban. So far it
remains volatile with reports of looting, abduction o
f civilians, uncontrolled gunmen and street battles on going, Lindsey Davies, a World
Food Programme spokeswoman, said.
Sources said the Taliban had frequently left foreign volunteers behind when staging
tactical withdrawals. There is a latent racism in Afghanistan, despite all this talk
of the Taliban standing behind their Arab brother
s, one aid worker said. There were always bound to be massacres. It is not at all
unlikely.
In the beleaguered city of Kabul a group of exhausted Pakistani tribesman who had
spent several days on the frontline clambered into a bus yesterday and headed home.
The group said they had entered the country 10 days ago
from Pakistan's semi-autonomous Pashtun tribal areas.
They were bombing constantly and we seemed unable to stop it, the group leader
complained, before setting off. We were told by the Taliban to leave and we are going
back to our village in Bajaur, he added, referring
to an area in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province from where
thousands of tribesmen have crossed into Afghanistan in the last few
weeks.
Carrying their assault rifles and small bags of belongings, the
fighters, aged from 30 to 60, clambered on to a coach hired to drive
them back home. Elsewhere in Kabul, pickup trucks camouflaged with
brown mud raced about, ferrying Taliban fighters to and from the
shrinking frontline to the north.
Other sources suggested that in Herat, which fell to opposition
troops led by the former mojahedin commander Ismail Khan yesterday,
large numbers of armed residents emerged on to the streets as the
first opposition pick-ups arrived in the city. The Taliban used the
same tactic of infiltrating fighters inside the city when they seized
it in 1995.
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[CTRL] EU vs Israel
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EU gets tough on Israeli exports
Preferential rates to be scrapped
Ian Black and Andrew Osborn in Brussels
Tuesday November 13, 2001
The Guardian
The European Union is poised to punish Israel by ending low tariffs
for goods produced in occupied Palestinian territories, the Guardian
has learned.
In the first sign that EU impatience with the Jewish state is being
translated into practical policy, preferential tariffs that have
applied for more than 25 years are to be stopped within months,
diplomats said.
Palestinians and Arab states will be jubilant at the decision,
expected to be announced at talks between Israel and the EU in
Brussels next week.
The long-running row about so-called rules of origin is over
Israeli-labelled goods exported from settlements in the West Bank and
Gaza Strip and enjoying preferential access to EU markets. Several
member states have accused Israel of cheating and in some cases
national customs authorities have acted to recoup losses.
The EU is Israel's biggest trade partner, accounting for nearly a third of Israeli
exports. Behind a mass of technical detail lies the question of the legality of
Israeli rule over Arab lands occupied in the 1967 war. Th
is is a highly sensitive question and it is naive to pretend it is purely technical,
one senior official said.
Israel's ambassador to the EU, Harry Knei-Tal, warned the move would be
counter-productive, damaging the already fragile Palestinian economy and undermining
the EU's role as a credible mediator in the peace process.
The timing is bad. This is an attempt to take a technical economic problem and use it
to prejudge a political solution. It will reopen the question of whether Europe is
sincere, he said. I don't know what the reaction
will be when EU foreign ministers come to Jerusalem and ask to be treated as honest
brokers.
The Guardian has also learned that in a separate move the EU is considering cutting
hundreds of millions of pounds of development aid to developing Muslim and non-Muslim
nations whose governments mistreat women.
The policy, which has yet to be formally agreed, is certain to outrage the governments
concerned who will view Brussels's tactics as cultural imperialism.
In a position paper the EU commissioner makes specific reference to Muslim and
non-Muslim states in Asia, Africa and the Middle East. These include Afghanistan,
Iran, Sierra Leone, India and China.
This is one of the few bits of leverage available to us, said one official. We are
not seeking to punish countries but to encourage them to change their ways.
The decision to end preferential treatment for Israeli goods from the occupied
territories is likely to be confirmed next Monday. It reflects anger in Brussels with
the government of the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, whos
e policy of targeted assassinations of Palestinian fighters and prolonged closures
of the West Bank and Gaza are blamed for making a bad situation worse.
The European commission has been pressing for the change for years but met strong
opposition from governments such as Germany and the Netherlands, which were unwilling
to be seen to be applying pressure on Israel.
Over the past few months the EU has repeatedly attacked Israel's
disproportionate use of force and called for an end to illegal
settlements.
Economic damage to Israel is likely be more symbolic than real, to
the tune of about £140m worth of exports, including cosmetics,
plastics and soda concentrate, from two settlements, Barkan and
Mishor Adumin, which employ 20,000 Palestinians.
The EU is trying hard to boost its diplomatic profile in the Middle
East and its foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, has become an
influential figure.
Later this week he accompanies Louis Michel, prime minister of
Belgium and holder of the EU presidency, on another bout of so-called
relay diplomacy, designed to maintain a permanent European presence
in the region.
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Re: [CTRL] Jonah His Mouse
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/12/01 3:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anwar Sadat of Egypt launched the Yom Kippur war on Israel during Ramadan, with little respect to his own religion and even less for Israel's. And recently, in 1995, Islamic rebels in Algeria called for increased hostilities during Ramadan. Now this certainly doesn't mean that Muslim nations respect their holy days less than we in the West do. George Washington smacked around the Hessians on Christmas Eve. And, come to think of it, so did General Patton 168 years later. Nothing stops for Ramadan. I cannot believe any Moslem would think it should. One of the main points of Ramadan always seemed to be that the individual was required to make all the adjustments his or her faith required for observance without demanding the world around him or her to change at all. In fact I have been told by devout Moslems that those who are not observing Ramadan (those of other faiths or tiny children, military in battle, travelers, the gravely ill) need not change their ways so as not to tempt or discomfort those who are observing the fast. They claimed that such temptation and discomfort were a part of the observance. I was visiting in a Moslem home one evening during Ramadan. The hostess, a somewhat elderly woman had served me coffee when I had arrived earlier. When the sunset drum was sounded (via television in these modern times), she happened to be holding a grandchild in her lap. Her daughter came from the kitchen with a glass of water for her mother to drink. When the woman picked up the glass, the baby reached for it, and she allowed the child to drink several times very unhurriedly before she took any water for herself. That is a very proper attitude for the faithful. I must say that my own occasional observance of Lent was never so remarkable. I admit that Ramadan can be taxing. Those who work out of doors have a difficult time with the heat when the holiday happens to fall during the summer. Going without fluids for such a long time can be brutal. One of my girlfriends (a Catholic) tried to observe Ramadan along with her staff. She gave up after three days. It was going without water that got to her. She and I both smoked heavily at the time, however, and I wrote a little verse about the most difficult problem we had, since smoking in front of a group who could not have one was really mean. RAMADAN (or compassionate observance thereof) The pulsing beat of the sunset drum Tells even the blind that evening's come Allows the faithful to break their fast And infidel me to smoke at last. But the real observance of Ramadan is in the personal conduct of the observer. It is business as usual in other ways. Anyone who calls for a break in battle to observe Ramadan is a very strange soldier indeed. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- --- Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An Open Letter to the Anti-War Demonstrators: Think Twice Before You Bring The War Home By David Horowitz I appeal to all those young people who participated in anti-war demonstrations on 150 college campuses this week,. to think again and not to join an anti-war effort against Americas coming battle with international terrorism. _ Nakano comments: First, this is not a war against international terrorism, it's a war about oil in the Caspian Basin. It's a war over who controls the oil and natural gas, who builds and controls the huge pipelines that will carry it to markets. It's about money and power. War Against Terrorism is the marketing slogan used to promote this war. It's the same thing, and is just as false as were: The War To Make The World Safe For Democracy and The War To End All Wars. Anyone who actually believes these labels probably still believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. __ David Horowitz: The blood of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, and tens of thousands of Americans, is on the hands of the anti-war activists who prolonged the struggle and gave victory to the Communists. __ Nakano comments: This is pure unadulterated BULLHOCKEY!! This conclusion is the result of the same aberrant mental processes which result in kidnap victims identifying with, agreeing with, and joining the kidnappers (ala Patty Hearst. And it wasn't hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, it was an estimated two-million Vietnamese. Their blood, and the blood of the 58,000+ Americans who were killed in that war, is on the guilty hands of the people and Agencies who made the policy and the decisions to fight that war. The blood is on the hands of the people who ordered 500,000 plus U.S. troops to Vietnam...the people who ordered the bombing...the people who refused to end the war even when it was overwhelmingly apparent that the American People wanted it ended. This is an incomplete list, but the bloody hands are those of the CIA, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, and those who served in those Administrations who didn't have the courage to oppose the war. (I intentionally exclude John Kennedy from this list, because he ordered all Americans out of Viet Nam by 1965. His order, National Security action Memorandum 263, was given just about 10 days before he was murdered. Lyndon Johnson cancelled that order before Kennedy was buried.) I urge all Americans to think twice before they blindly support this war. This isn't being unpatriotic. All Americans have the obligation to speak out against and to lawfully oppose, the policies and the actions of their government when they sincerely believe their government is wrong...and especially when they believe their government is violating the Constitution and the common laws of God and humanity. Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE WAR IS A TRAP
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 12:40:56 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I particularly love the way you liberals bitch and moan about our war tactics but have absolutely no great ideas of your own! What should we do, oh wise one? Do any of you have a better way of confronting the terrorists? Here's an article by Harry Browne that addresses preventing future terrorism: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25147 Preventing future terrorism © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com How can we prevent future terrorist attacks? The first step is a foreign policy that rests on a simple principle: We're prepared to defend ourselves, but we threaten no one. Such a foreign policy should have four elements: 1. Non-interference Our government should never interfere in other countries' disputes, never arm foreign governments and never give terrorists a reason to pressure our government. The idea that our government acts to defend human rights around the world is absurd. It replaces democratically elected governments with dictators like the Shah of Iran or Augusto Pinochet. And it rarely comes close to achieving any of its goals. Too often, Americans have fought and died for nothing. Any American who wants to fight for â or send money to â a foreign government or revolutionary movement should be free to do so (even though that's currently illegal). But our government should stay out of such conflicts. When the U.S. no longer imposes its way on foreign people, those people will have no reason to fear us or hate us. 2. No foreign aid or military assistance The Constitution doesn't authorize our government to use your money to support foreign governments. It's not only unconstitutional, it's unfair. As Fred Smith has pointed out, foreign aid taxes poor people in rich countries for the benefit of rich people in poor countries. And by giving tons of money and military hardware to Israel's enemies, the politicians can say we have to give massive aid to Israel to keep it from being destroyed. Every American should be free to send money or weapons to any government anywhere. But you shouldn't be taxed for that purpose. Without our government arming dictators, the dictators' subjects would have no reason to hate us or fear us. 3. Security against attack If the world's bad people want to conquer America, they'd have to pulverize American cities until we submit to being occupied. In 1983 Ronald Reagan said America should protect itself against missile attacks. Unfortunately, he gave the job to the Department of Defense â which is really the Post Office in fatigues. And so, 18 years later, we're no closer to being protected than we were in 1983. We should rely as little as possible on politics and bureaucracy to achieve anything. The government should simply post a reward â say, $25 billion â to go to the first private company that produces a functioning, fool-proof missile defense. We'd probably have it within five years. Will that make us 100 percent secure? Of course not. Nothing will. But it will make us far safer than we are today. And it will eliminate a principal excuse for meddling in other countries' affairs, so that foreign people have no reason to hate us or fear us. 4. Target the aggressors, not the innocent Even with a missile defense, America could be threatened by a foreign ruler. But a Libertarian president would target the aggressor himself â not his innocent subjects. He would warn the ruler that an actual attack against the U.S. would trigger the posting of a reward of, say, $100 million for the person who kills the ruler. Everyone would be eligible to collect the reward â including the ruler's guards and wives. This response would spare both innocent foreigners and Americans. Only those who try for the reward would be at risk. Americans wouldn't fight and die invading a foreign country. If you believe assassination is an unsavory act, what's the alternative â killing thousands of people? Once we stop bullying innocent foreigners, they will have no reason to hate us or fear us. Peace for all time These policies will produce a strong national defense â instead of the strong national offense we now have. And terrorists will have no reason to attack us. Then we must find a way to permanently stop politicians from playing with loaded weapons. Here's a start â a proposed Peace Amendment to the Constitution: Except in time of war as declared by Congress, the United States will deploy no military personnel or weapons outside the boundaries of the United States; will not provide money, military equipment or other resources to foreign governments; and will not attack any foreign power. Upon any violation of this article, Congress will immediately institute impeachment proceedings against the president. If such an amendment had been enforced over the past 55 years, it would have: Prevented the deaths of almost
[CTRL] Fw: [POM] US Bombs Al-Jazeera
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Paul R. Lehto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: [POM] US Bombs Al-Jazeera US destroys Kabul office of Al-Jazeera with a smart bomb after criticizing the Qatari TV station for inflammatory rhetoric. Meanwhile, the pictures of guys getting shaves in Kabul have kept this story off CNN. Published on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 by the Associated Press Al-Jazeera Kabul Office Destroyed by US Missile by Adnan Malik DUBAI, United Arab Emirates The Kabul office of the Arab satellite channel Al-Jazeera, which the United States has criticized for its coverage of the Afghan campaign, was destroyed early Tuesday by a U.S. missile, the channel's managing director said. The missile's target was unclear. The United States has been targeting Taliban offices, installations and forces in a campaign that began Oct. 7 after the ruling Islamic militia refused to hand over Osama bin Laden, the chief suspect in the Sept. 11 terror attacks. No one was in the office when it was hit before dawn, said managing director Mohammed Jassim al-Ali. He said its 10 staffers were believed to be safe but their whereabouts were unknown. All our equipment has been destroyed, but we believe that all our crew are safe, al-Ali told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Qatar, where the channel is headquartered. We don't know where our crew members are. We are trying to see how we can communicate with them. The Taliban Ministry for the Suppression of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue was across the street from the Al-Jazeera office. Taliban anti-aircraft positions were located on a hill nearby and the neighborhood, Wazir Akbar Khan, was home to many Taliban officials. The Taliban, whose hold on Afghanistan eroded under the U.S. bombing campaign, fled Kabul overnight and northern alliance fighters roamed the city Tuesday, seeking Arabs and other foreigners who fought with the Taliban. At least five Pakistanis and two Arabs were killed. Asked if he thought Al-Jazeera's office was deliberately targeted, al-Ali said, They know where we are located and they know what we have in our office and we also did not get any warning. It could be difficult for Arab employees of al-Jazeera, including reporter Tasir Alouni, to move around in Kabul, where they might by mistaken for Arabs who came to Afghanistan to fight alongside the Taliban. The missile also damaged the offices of The Associated Press and the British Broadcasting Corp. in Kabul. On Tuesday, one side of the house in which Al Jazeera's office was located was caved in, with twisted steel rods jutting out. Al-Jazeera has aired taped statements said to be made inside Afghanistan by bin Laden and his aides, and Alouni became familiar to Arab viewers around the world, providing live reports from Taliban-controlled areas barred to most Western reporters. He often described U.S. missiles hitting civilian areas and killing women and children. American officials have criticized Al-Jazeera's coverage of the bombing campaign as inflammatory propaganda. But the 24-hour station reaches more than 35 million Arabs, including 150,000 in the United States, and the Bush administration has acknowledged its significance lately. The station recently interviewed Secretary of State Colin Powell, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. On Tuesday, Al-Jazeera showed CNN footage from Kabul and live coverage Tuesday from its five-member crew in the Taliban's home base, the southern city of Kandahar. © 2001 The Associated Press ### If someone you know wishes to join this list, ask them to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
[CTRL] Fwd: Back to Japan
---BeginMessage--- * * * * * * * * * * * * REMINDER * * * * * * * * * * * * * On the days that I don't publish, like today, you will receive Bill Bonner's DAILY RECKONING. This will help you to keep pace with the changes in the markets. Bonner and I agree on most things in the field of economics, so the two letters will reinforce each other. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BACK TO JAPAN THE DAILY RECKONING PARIS, FRANCE TUESDAY, 13 NOVEMBER 2001 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *** Foundations of recovery...or financial suicide? *** Fresh terror on Wall Street...then calm...and trends to the darkside... *** Visions of deflation...oil wars...and economic stagnation...sacre bleu, what next? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Are they digging the foundations of a recovery? Or are they digging their own financial graves? I refer to the people who are buying cars and refinancing their homes. Auto sales hit a record in October - thanks to zero interest financing. Household mortgage credit jumped 11.4%. Lock me in say homeowners, as 30-year mortgage rates fell to 6.46%. Refinancings are running 40% ahead of the level a year ago. The volume of business is so heavy that the industry can barely keep up. Two generations of Americans have dreamed of 6% mortgages. When inflation rates were at 4% or 8%, a 6% mortgage was a bargain. But what if inflation goes negative? Who wants to be locked in to a mortgage at 6% when deflation is knocking prices down 2% per year? While people were standing in line to get mortgages at 6.46% yesterday, few noticed that the Producer Price Index fell by 1.6% in October - the biggest drop ever. More widely reported was the fact that corporate profits are also deflating - by 72% in the 3rd quarter, compared to the same period a year ago. Wall Street deflated a bit too, right Eric? * Eric Fry in Manhattan... - Fearing a fresh terrorist onslaught, investors dumped stocks nearly from the opening bell. - Too fast! exclaimed Options Underground's Bryan Botterelli, In the morning we were trading solidly up, which should have given us an hour or two before our expected bottom move kicked in. Instead, we saw a violent spasm downward, which cleared out the bears - exactly as predicted - but in about five minutes instead of two hours. - But then, the early news reports coming across the wires indicated that the tragedy was an honest-to- goodness accident - and not the work of al Queda. So investors regained their nerve and resumed buying overpriced stocks. The Dow recovered from a nearly 200- point drop to finish the day 54 points lower at 9,554. The Nasdaq recovered from negative territory to gain 12 points to 1,840. - Put simply: Terrorist attacks are bearish. Malfunctioning General Electric aircraft engines are bullish. - Tourism stocks struggled all day, however. AMR, American Airlines parent, led the airline sector lower - no surprise there. But many hotel company shares dropped even more than the airline stocks. Four Seasons, for example, dropped 8%. - Times were tough enough for the tourism industry, even before yesterday's plane crash. Nobody I know is searching for additional reasons to avoid traveling. - At Club Med, the water is turning chilly, the Wall Street Journal reports. The global travel company is shutting or mothballing several resorts from Tunisia to Tahiti. All told, Club Med is taking 15 of its 120 resorts out of commission. The problem of course is soft demand. I'm guessing that airplane crashes, whether accidental or the work of terrorists, will not boost it. - If it's any comfort, Club Med has some illustrious company. The Walt Disney Company announced a dispiriting 68% drop in earnings for its latest quarter. Worse, nearly every facet of its business is suffering: theme park attendance is down; hotel occupancy rates are soft; and its ABC broadcast network's fall season is suffering from poor ratings. - Disney's core theme park operations are suffering an especially severe slowdown. Recently, attendance at Disney World in Florida has fallen 25% below last year's. Per capita spending is also lower. That's not a good combination. - From the looks of things, many Americans now prefer to cocoon in front of their TV sets and watch CNN, rather than to fly to some far-flung vacation destination. The stay-at-home trend, together with the rising unemployment trend, together with cautious corporate spending trend, all add up to falling demand for crude oil. And as demand drops, so do prices. - Crude oil fell almost one dollar per barrel yesterday to $21.83. Heating oil, unleaded gasoline and natural gas all suffered steep price declines as well. - Oil and gasoline prices have been relatively cheap for so many years now that most of us think very little about where our next barrel is coming from. But maybe we should. According to John Myers, of Outstanding
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Fw: [PNEWS] TERRORISM: Al Queda Linked to Euro Far Right
---BeginMessage--- ARON KAY-http://www.pieman.org http://www.pieman.org/fucknwar.mp3 Piss On Bush http://www.pieman.org/pissonbush.html TIE A YELLOW RIBBON ROUND GEORGE BUSH'S DICK STOP 1984 IN 2001 - Original Message - From: PNEWS.ORG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: [PNEWS] TERRORISM: Al Queda Linked to Euro Far Right || | Subscribe or Unsubscribe to PNEWS-L -- http://pnews.org/signup.shtml | | PNEWS-L ARCHIVES -http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/pnews-l.html | | CURRENT EVENTS, NEWS ARTICLES -- http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml | || From: ANDERSON DAVID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Far-right has ties with Islamic extreme By Hugh Williamson and Philipp Jaklin in Berlin Financial Times http://specials.ft.com/theresponse/FT38ZL6ZSTC.html One of the people identified by the US government as providing financial support to the al-Qaeda terrorist network is also a well-known figure in the European far-right political movement. The link is likely to raise new concerns over ties between Islamic and rightwing extremists. Ahmed Huber, a 74-year-old Swiss businessman and former journalist who converted to Islam in the 1960s, is a board member of Nada Management, a financial services and consultancy company which is part of the international Al Taqwa group. The US says this group has long acted as financial advisers to al-Qaeda. Mr Huber, who is based in Bern, is known in Switzerland and Germany as an Islamic fundamentalist who attempts to forge links to far-right and neo-Nazi movements. A spokesman for Germany's office for the protection of the constitution, the internal intelligence agency, said on Thursday that Mr Huber sees himself as a mediator between Islam and right-wing groups. He also belongs to the revisionist movement, which believes the Holocaust did not take place, the spokesman said. Klaus Beier, spokesman for the NPD, one of Germany's main far-right political parties, said Mr Huber has often addressed NPD events. Mr Huber confirmed that he had had contact with associates of Osama bin Laden at an Islamic conference in Beirut. He is quoted in the Swiss media as saying that these people are very discreet, well-educated, very intelligent people. In interviews on Wednesday Mr Huber denied that Nada Management was linked to terrorism, although he admitted the company's sponsors were wealthy Muslims from Malaysia and the Gulf region. He said he had been interviewed on Wednesday by Swiss prosecutors but later released. Two other board members of Nada Management, Youssef Nada and Ali Himmat, were also questioned by police in Lugano, Switzerland. Italian police searched their homes in Campione d'Italia, a tiny Italian enclave near Lugano long known as a tax haven. After September 11 several far-right leaders and associations in Germany welcomed publicly the terrorist attacks. Intelligence experts say the Islamic and far-right movements often share a common hatred of the US and of Jews. |==[PNEWS-L FAIR USE DOCTRINE]==| | FAIR USE NOTICE:Info distributed in an effort to advance understanding| | environmental, political, health, human rights, economic, democracy, | | scientific, peace and social justice issues, etc. This constitutes a | | `fair use' of copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of | | the US Copyright Law.[http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml] | | SUBSCRIBE to PNEWS-L - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |==[PNEWS-L FAIR USE DOCTRINE]==| + One does not make wars less likely by formulationg rules of warfare... war cannot be humanized. It can only be eliminated... Albert Einstein + || | PNEWS-L is a SUPER-LIST with 23 Topics - TURN OFF what you do not want | | LISTSERV(tm) is a very *powerful* university CONFERENCING tool | | Highest level of *NET SECURITY* ~ Indexing-Digest-Search-Interface| | Send request to subscribe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | * Topics= ALERTS,HEALTH,INTERNET,ECONOMY,WAR,NUCLEAR,FASCISM,VIEWS, | | DRUGS,JUSTICE,RACISM,MISC,LAW,TERRORISM,LIBERTIES,SOCIALISM,LABOR, | | WOMEN,IMPERIALISM,ACTIVISM,CAPITALISM,ELECTIONS,VIEWS,PROPAGANDA | | SUBSCRIBE -mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | || ___ / o o \ ===OO=OO = TheGolemsPlace (Where everything REALLY begins,including Black Hills Gold) West Server
[CTRL] Fwd: A New War #20--Nov. 13, 2001
---BeginMessage--- NOTE: Please email comments and links to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to Jed in Brooklyn for his copy-editing help. Visit archives at http://www.topica.com/lists/borzou/read. -Borzou Daragahi *** THE LIBERATION OF KABUL. The Taliban has hastily evacuated Kabul just ahead of a Northern Alliance offensive into the Afghan capital. Northern Alliance troops who entered into the city met absolutely no resistance, but were instead cheered on by long-suffering residents of the once-cosmopolitan city, Associated Press Islamabad chief Kathy Gannon reports from Kabul. Witnesses told the A.P. that the Taliban hit the road midnight Monday. They said they are going to Kandahar,'' Ajmal Mir, a guard at the abandoned detention center where those eight Christian relief workers were being held, told the A.P. Without any resistance, the Northern Alliance also overran the liberal city of Herat. In Mazar-e-Sharif, which the Northern Alliance took over Friday, men lined up at barber shops to have their Taliban-mandated beards shaved, and music - banned by the Taliban - could be heard from stores, the A.P. reported. Half the city's women had discarded the all-covering burqas required by the Taliban. Some retained traditional scarves covering their hair, while others went bareheaded. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2002/ts/attacks_afghanistan.html In Kabul, the mood was celebratory but nervous. The scenes are amazing, says the BBC's Kate Clark, who was granted permission by the Northern Alliance to enter the capital. I'm surrounded by crowds of people coming up to me, shaking my hand and shouting 'Peace be with you' and 'May you live long.' Everyone seems very happy, jubilant that the Taleban have been thrown out of their city. ... But as I talk to Afghans, as well as jubilation there is some trepidation. People are worried about security and some say there has been looting overnight, particularly from houses where Taleban used to live. There is a security vacuum in Kabul - what the people most feared. It is not yet clear who will enforce law and order in what seems to be the post-Taleban era for the Afghan capital. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/from_our_own_correspondent/newsid_1653000/1653253.stm Events were taking place so fast that only a few broadcast outlets had up-to-date coverage. Turn your radio to an NPR affiliate and listen for reports by the BBC, which has a couple correspondents in Kabul. Even the Northern Alliance seemed startled by the pace of events. Ahmed Rashid, the Pakistani journalist who has been covering Afghanistan for more than two decades, writes that the Taliban seriously miscalculated the impact of the U.S. aerial assault, the Northern Alliance's resolve, and their own unpopularity outside of southern Afghanistan. The result has been a rout rather than a tactical retreat, he writes in an expansive and worthwhile military strategy piece in the Nov. 13 London Telegraph. The Taliban's greatest nightmare was the prospect of a popular uprising by civilian populations who loathed their repressive government and viewed them as alien occupiers from the south who had no representation from their own minority ethnic groups. http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/13/war113.xmlsSheet=/news/2001/11/13/ixhome.html Such lightning-quick routes are common in Afghan military history, writes the Associated Press's Greg Myre. ``It's happened before,'' Tanvir Ahmed Khan, a political analyst and Pakistan's former foreign secretary, tells the A.P. ``One side falters, commanders shift loyalties, and large pieces of territory change hands overnight.'' http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2002/wl/attacks_afghan_warfare_1.html The U.S. promised Pakistan the Northern Alliance wouldn't enter Kabul. With the Taliban out of the capital, who will govern the country? BBC radio the night of Nov. 12 reported widespread looting and anarchy in and around the capital. In at least one instance Northern Alliance troops shot an unarmed and wounded Taliban soldier. As the terrified man begged for his life, the alliance soldiers pulled him to his feet, writes David Rohde in the Nov. 13 New York Times. They searched him and emptied his pockets. Then, one soldier fired two bursts from his rifle into the man's chest. A second soldier beat the lifeless body with his rifle butt. A third repeatedly smashed a rocket-propelled-grenade launcher into the man's head. The killing occurred minutes after Northern Alliance soldiers, advancing toward Kabul, surged deep into Taliban territory. They chose to celebrate with executions. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/13/international/asia/13AFGH.html Such executions likely won't make the Pashtun Afghans of the south, the ethnic group from which the Taliban draws Afghan supporters, warm any further toward the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance, whom they already hate. Neither will bombing civilian infrastructure such as hydroelectric plants. The UN, in
[CTRL] Fwd: Softwar Enews - DATEK SECURITY FLAW
---BeginMessage--- DATEK STREAMER SECURITY FLAW Computer researchers have determined that DATEK, an online stock-trading firm, is sending stock portfolio information over the Internet without any security. Datek's Streamer application allows investors to monitor and manage their online stocks. According to information warriors, Datek's account information is protected, but the client portfolio is transmitted over the Internet in clear text. This allows anyone able to access the data stream between the client and Datek to view the client portfolio and determine their current values. Datek has acknowledged that the problem exists but has not provided an estimate when the security flaw will be fixed. MORE VIRUS ATTACKS The Nimda and Code Red virus programs continue to plague systems on the Internet. Recent recorded attacks include infected computers at ATT and China Telecom, a firm owned by the communist Chinese Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications (MPT). AIRBUS CTL-ALT-DELETE The recent crash of American Airlines flight 587 has highlighted problems with Airbus aircraft. Although, NTSB investigators on the AA flight 587 crash are focusing on the GE TF-6 jet engines, the European manufacturer Airbus has encountered many more problems with its highly computerized jet controls. The most often problem cited by NTSB reports is that Airbus computers have confused even experienced pilots. At least four fatal crashes of Airbus airliners have been blamed on bad software or on pilots who put the aircraft into the wrong computerized mode. OFFICIAL SOFTWAR COMMUNICATION SOFTWAR EMAIL NEWSLETTER COPYRIGHT (C) 2001 SOFTWAR INC. 11/13/01 TO UNSUBSCRIBE REPLY WITH UNSUBSCRIBE AS SUBJECT ---End Message---
Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- we did not lose the war in Vietnam because of protests here. we lost because it was not a winnable war, it was not a moral war, and it was not our war. -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:48:45 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Think Twice ... -Caveat Lector- From FPM }}}Begin www.frontpagemag.com Return to normal view An Open Letter to the Anti-War Demonstrators: Think Twice Before You Bring The War Home By David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | September 27, 2001 URL: http://www.frontpagemag.com/horowitzsnotepad/2001/hn09-27-01p Editors Note: The text below is being run as an advertisement in college newspapers around the country. To see a graphic version of the ad, click here. I AM a former anti-war activist who helped to organize the first campus demonstration against the war in Vietnam at the University of California, Berkeley in 1962. I appeal to all those young people who participated in anti-war demonstrations on 150 college campuses this week, to think again and not to join an anti-war effort against Americas coming battle with international terrorism. The hindsight of history has shown that our efforts in the 1960s to end the war in Vietnam had two practical effects. The first was to prolong the war itself. Every testimony by North Vietnamese generals in the postwar years has affirmed that they knew they could not defeat the United States on the battlefield, and that they counted on the division of our people at home to win the war for them. The Vietcong forces we were fighting in South Vietnam were destroyed in 1968. In other words, most of the war and most of the casualties in the war occurred because the dictatorship of North Vietnam counted on the fact Americans would give up the battle rather than pay the price necessary to win it. This is what happened. The blood of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, and tens of thousands of Americans, is on the hands of the anti-war activists who prolonged the struggle and gave victory to the Communists. The second effect of the war was to surrender South Vietnam to the forces of Communism. This resulted in the imposition of a monstrous police state, the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent South Vietnamese, the incarceration in re-education camps of hundreds of thousands more, and a quarter of a century of abject poverty imposed by crackpot Marxist economic plans, which continue to this day. This, too, is the responsibility of the so-called anti-war movement of the 1960s. I say so-called anti-war movement, because while many Americans were sincerely troubled by Americas war effort, the organizers of this movement were Marxists and radicals who supported a Communist victory and an American defeat. Today the same people and their youthful followers are organizing the campus demonstrations against Americas effort to defend its citizens against the forces of international terrorism and anti-American hatred, responsible for the September attacks. I know, better than most, the importance of protecting freedom of speech and the right of citizens to dissent. But I also know better than most, that there is a difference between honest dissent and malevolent hate, between criticism of national policy, and sabotage of the nations defenses. In the 1960s and 1970s, the tolerance of anti-American hatreds was so high, that the line between dissent and treason was eventually erased. Along with thousands of other New Leftists, I was one who crossed the line between dissent and actual treason. (I have written an account of these matters in my autobiography, Radical Son). I did so for what I thought were the noblest of reasons: to advance the cause of social justice and peace. I have lived to see how wrong I was and how much damage we did especially to those whose cause we claimed to embrace, the peasants of Indo-China who suffered grievously from our support for the Communist enemy. I came to see how precious are the freedoms and opportunities afforded by America to the poorest and most humble of its citizens, and how rare its virtues are in the world at large. If I have one regret from my radical years, it is that this country was too tolerant towards the treason of its
Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- --- Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hindsight of history has shown that our efforts in the 1960s to end the war in Vietnam had two practical effects. The first was to prolong the war itself. what a spin...put blame for prolonging the war on those choosing to WAGE THE DAMN THING! = ~ As I've often told Ginsberg, you can't blame the President for the state of the country, it's always the poets' fault. You can't expect politicians to come up with a vision, they don't have it in them. Poets have to come up with the vision and they have to turn it on so it sparks and catches hold. KEN KESEY (1935 - 2001) http://www.sinkers.org/news_earth.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bin Laden : Yes, I did it
-Caveat Lector- i guess the good news is we dont have to worry about saba visiting new york we have suffered enough as is -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. Samuel Adams NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:42:44 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bin Laden : Yes, I did it -Caveat Lector- Information put out indicated this is not true - bin Laden has NEVER admitted to this demolition of the WTC thought he has shown no regrets. This Debka press also putting out false rumors however, they are associated with the terrorist organization known as Jewish Defense League. \ So as the stomach churns - Americans being slaughtered for God Almighty Buck.its okay folks, Joe Lieberman is Okay and no doubt everybody had insurance once again. This one man on TV today said it appeared to be a mechanical failure for the left engine fell off the plane? Mechanical failure - well was the plane structurally sound, were there unseen vibrations that brought the plane doow low - do they have shoddy maintenance workers with connections, or are the plans and inspectors so old and worn out, that they should all be given the boot? Note how the big boys got out of the Airline business, some selling out to their employees and most others veering towards bankruptcy. But worse yet if I wanted to sabotage something, anything - I would be a maintenance worker, or get into air conditioning and repair, etc. So fly the friendly skies - they got to be kidding. And Powell and the UN held virtually hostage? Good - keep them all there, lock doors, throw away keys. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] End To Serfdom ?
-Caveat Lector- --- Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,592449,00.html kabul captured and still no osama this should bode well for osama's construction business = ~ As I've often told Ginsberg, you can't blame the President for the state of the country, it's always the poets' fault. You can't expect politicians to come up with a vision, they don't have it in them. Poets have to come up with the vision and they have to turn it on so it sparks and catches hold. KEN KESEY (1935 - 2001) http://www.sinkers.org/news_earth.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Buffalo Theory
-Caveat Lector- reminds me of tom robbins' book jitterbug perfume in which a character based on tim leary is asked if he worries about brain damage from the psychedelic drugs and he replies that to have a healthy plant you need to cut it back - that's not brain damage - its pruning -- Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. Sir Winston Churchill NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:31:47 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Buffalo Theory -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/10/01 10:33:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer and liquor eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers. I've got to get a grip on reality. That explanation started to make sense. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks.
-Caveat Lector- hehehehehe -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. Samuel Adams NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:00:40 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks. -Caveat Lector- Just kidding. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE WAR IS A TRAP
-Caveat Lector- --- Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 12:40:56 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I particularly love the way you liberals republicrat, demopublican - 2 wings of the business party...divided like this, we are manipulatable herds bitch and moan about our war tactics but have absolutely no great ideas of your own! pay attention...how about peace...oh yeah, i forgot - that's an idea just not a GREAT one...how about not expecting other nations to tolerate less representation than we do What should we do, oh wise one? the rage is obvious here...such rage is easily channeled...hitler wrote the book on it Do any of you have a better way of confronting the terrorists? arrest all of DC = ~ As I've often told Ginsberg, you can't blame the President for the state of the country, it's always the poets' fault. You can't expect politicians to come up with a vision, they don't have it in them. Poets have to come up with the vision and they have to turn it on so it sparks and catches hold. KEN KESEY (1935 - 2001) http://www.sinkers.org/news_earth.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] EU vs Israel
-Caveat Lector- I know I asked this before but I cant remember the answer can anyone think of any country, other than Israel, that has gained land by winning a war,(whether they started it or not) that they had to give back? -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. Justice Louis D. Brandeis NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:43:18 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] EU vs Israel -Caveat Lector- From http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,592504,00.html }}}Begin EU gets tough on Israeli exports Preferential rates to be scrapped Ian Black and Andrew Osborn in Brussels Tuesday November 13, 2001 The Guardian The European Union is poised to punish Israel by ending low tariffs for goods produced in occupied Palestinian territories, the Guardian has learned. In the first sign that EU impatience with the Jewish state is being translated into practical policy, preferential tariffs that have applied for more than 25 years are to be stopped within months, diplomats said. Palestinians and Arab states will be jubilant at the decision, expected to be announced at talks between Israel and the EU in Brussels next week. The long-running row about so-called rules of origin is over Israeli-labelled goods exported from settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and enjoying preferential access to EU markets. Several member states have accused Israel of cheating and in some cases national customs authorities have acted to recoup losses. The EU is Israel's biggest trade partner, accounting for nearly a third of Israeli exports. Behind a mass of technical detail lies the question of the legality of Israeli rule over Arab lands occupied in the 1967 war. Th is is a highly sensitive question and it is naive to pretend it is purely technical, one senior official said. Israel's ambassador to the EU, Harry Knei-Tal, warned the move would be counter-productive, damaging the already fragile Palestinian economy and undermining the EU's role as a credible mediator in the peace process. The timing is bad. This is an attempt to take a technical economic problem and use it to prejudge a political solution. It will reopen the question of whether Europe is sincere, he said. I don't know what the reaction will be when EU foreign ministers come to Jerusalem and ask to be treated as honest brokers. The Guardian has also learned that in a separate move the EU is considering cutting hundreds of millions of pounds of development aid to developing Muslim and non-Muslim nations whose governments mistreat women. The policy, which has yet to be formally agreed, is certain to outrage the governments concerned who will view Brussels's tactics as cultural imperialism. In a position paper the EU commissioner makes specific reference to Muslim and non-Muslim states in Asia, Africa and the Middle East. These include Afghanistan, Iran, Sierra Leone, India and China. This is one of the few bits of leverage available to us, said one official. We are not seeking to punish countries but to encourage them to change their ways. The decision to end preferential treatment for Israeli goods from the occupied territories is likely to be confirmed next Monday. It reflects anger in Brussels with the government of the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, whos e policy of targeted assassinations of Palestinian fighters and prolonged closures of the West Bank and Gaza are blamed for making a bad situation worse. The European commission has been pressing for the change for years but met strong opposition from governments such as Germany and the Netherlands, which were unwilling to be seen to be applying pressure on Israel. Over the past few months the EU has repeatedly attacked Israel's disproportionate use of force and called for an end to illegal settlements. Economic damage to Israel is likely be more symbolic than real, to the tune of about £140m worth of exports, including cosmetics, plastics and soda concentrate, from two settlements, Barkan and Mishor Adumin, which employ 20,000 Palestinians. The EU is trying hard to boost its diplomatic profile in the Middle East and its foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, has become an influential figure. Later this week he accompanies Louis Michel, prime minister of Belgium and holder of the EU presidency, on another bout of so-called relay diplomacy, designed to maintain a
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-Caveat Lector- Other MKULTRA subprojects dealt with ways to maximize stress on whole societies. John Marks The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, Times Books, 1979 And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. Aldous Huxley, 1959 Through clever and constant application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1923 http://www.artbell.com/binladen.html http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html http://www.hightech-store.com/coup.html http://www.angelfire.com/mi/smilinks/metaprogramming.txt http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/dud/biowarfare.txt = ~ As I've often told Ginsberg, you can't blame the President for the state of the country, it's always the poets' fault. You can't expect politicians to come up with a vision, they don't have it in them. Poets have to come up with the vision and they have to turn it on so it sparks and catches hold. KEN KESEY (1935 - 2001) http://www.sinkers.org/news_earth.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bin Laden : Yes, I did it
-Caveat Lector- That is where you are wrong - I have some art items which Park Bernet wants me to insure and send in. Since I will be in range of Lary Silverstein operations though, I too will get my prints heavily insured.God Forbid another terrorist attack by Jewish Muslims. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bin Laden : Yes, I did it
-Caveat Lector- Oh and yes Neuropsychotic Larry Silverstein takes the prize though for he will get his 7 billion dollars - well beats the 30 pieces of silver once handed out as a prize to a Judas Informer.. 7 Billions Dollars to rebuild buildings he did not even ownand insurance paid for only about 2 weeks - so happy days for those who have their insurance rates now they say will double before too long. But hey Joe Lieberman and Larry Silverstein they are okay and Larry will get his 7 billion dollars though it be dripping in blood from more slaughter of the innocents. There are always avengers of blood waiting in the wings to take a life for a life. So Silverstein did okay - right? But as they had to remind Joe Lieberman - hey Joe, there are 10,000 people out there who are not okay .and the body bag counts are longer than Clintons? Silverstein - wonder how much they paid for that name but then it beats - Shylock - right? Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Bush's war at home
-Caveat Lector- hey saba for us poor heathens and ignorant infidels where can i find the key to this bible code that runs the world? Free your mind and your ass will follow. St George NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:39:50 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Bush's war at home (fwd) -Caveat Lector- That could be true June - but someone I am remembering too the Apollo and the Challengner and sabotage into our space program - and what was the purpose? So now Grissoms son says his father was murdered - I said this back in 1969 and my brother in law hit the fat because of it for he worked on some of these programs. But off shore were Russian trawlers day Challenger went down..went down 28th I recall, and Apollo burned up January 27. 1969.but the Challenger it was said Russian trawlers suddenly took off shortly before the Challenger blew - so did someone get on their frequency? I bring this up because there are those who believe the terror planes, these fiery flying serpents, were remote controlled that somehow like Thothmosis II- something took control of the planes.. So any Arab on these plans was suspect? Still no positive connection to bin Laden but in 7 World Trade Center, rested the CIA, Giuliani's Control Center, and this was building owned by Silverstein - he had just gotten 99 year lease, with Port Authority. Now look at the billions of dollars lost and cui bono? Even a John Gotti link here - for why was it this one guy told Gotti someone had a 5 billion dollar for dry wall construction in the towers..and he had them murdered, the body was put in World Trade Center parking lot? One story had this body in the building - but there were 2 bombings and this was about time all this asbestos crap was coming up. Something backfired here but I do believe you are right - they did not mean to go that far.this anthrax stuff - well they started rumour about crop dusting plane which would indicate if this would be true, they had an awful lot of anthrax to distribute? No planes, so they mailed a few envlopes? I would wonder about some of these people who got the anthrax - if one of them had not been one of the handlersthe going postal comes to mind. So intelligence comes in degrees and many steps to total enlightenment which is at the top only..the ones who look scared are no doubt the ones not in on the little secrets? But I know this - this bible calendar is being used...this is their calling card..and that vengance is mine, so saith the Lord is a lot of crap too for someone is taking the law into their own hands and using Gods law. Or was McVeigh Arab Muslim in disguise? He left his clues in the Gideon Biblethis is key to all. And this bible I have, this very rare bible with the calendar contained therein and a part thereof - was 1954.year KGB or Russian Guard too watchword bible calendar from the 7 Nazis at Spandau, and when this Zionist thing began to move fulll force For after all - these are Gideon Forces, Orde Wingate going to war for Zionism in his desire to be Lawrence of Arabia - he took his King James Bible to war withhim opened to the story of Gideon, the hit and run guerilla.special forces. We are dealing with special forces but they are a horse of a different color - say plaid? For this is the New World Order, same as the Old World Order - but out of Chaos which they create - well we shall see. Russia sits like bear about to go into hibernation - noted Osama said Bear 3 or so times, and wondered for he, is the Lion. Does anyone remember a movie with this Candace Bergan and Sean Connery and he played the Rathooli and that spelling is way off - phonics only here..so he was the Lion in the wind, and Teddy Roosevelt was the bear...good movie, must watch for it again...Sean was a Desert type and maybe Osama saw this movie and he is doing something he should not do = identifying with same? So the Rathsoolie said he did not murder women and chldren.. Look to Ruby Ridge and Waco - day care center in the Murrah Building - day care center at Twin Towers.. You also mentioned june about this guy looking at his watch so many times on the bus before he killed or severely wounded the drive and suicided the bus? Timothy McVeigh had a taime change on the explosion - and some of those planes were late. Why was this timing necessary - cuold it have been in World Trade Center someone planned to hijack those gold trucks too - only their timing was off because planes were not right on target plus they did not expect the collapse? It is all about greed and money and
Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12
-Caveat Lector- its not close to NY its part of new york city -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Fernando Sobral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:57:44 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12 -Caveat Lector- That s true and it s close to NY. It s said by offcial media that at least 4 buildings are in fire. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/01 11:26 news bulletin on t.v. - airplane crashed in Rockaways. There were no details. I think this is in N.Y. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 8:35:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we did not lose the war in Vietnam because of protests here. we lost because it was not a winnable war, it was not a moral war, and it was not our war. Not bad, you are getting better. I agree with two out of three of your stated reasons. BHoward âIt is wrong, always, everywhere and for everyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.ââW.K. Clifford A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 8:41:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subject: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks. -Caveat Lector- Just kidding. J2 Please don't make jokes like this. You may give our elected representives ideas. Hell, who knows they may get on a roll and vote Japan reconstruction money to help them repair the damage Godzilla did the last time he visited Tokyo. BHoward With tongue in cheek A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] EU vs Israel
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 8:47:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can anyone think of any country, other than Israel, that has gained land by winning a war,(whether they started it or not) that they had to give back? Germany. In the Franco-German war the Germans took Alsace-Lorraine from France. At the end of WWI they were forced to return these areas back to France. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Charlotte Beers to sell Uncle Sam
-Caveat Lector- http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/01/w20.html Bush believes hawking Uncle Ben's prepared Charlotte Beers to sell Uncle Sam ROBERT RUSSO WASHINGTON (CP) - When U.S. President George W. Bush decided something had to be done to counter America's image abroad as a shallow and materialistic society, he decided to go for Beers. Charlotte Beers was the most powerful woman in advertising, known for her high-octane lifestyle, golden Rolodex and stratospheric salary. She is now effectively Bush's minister of propaganda. The Texas-born daughter of a cowboy has a far more elegant title of course: undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs. But the woman whose ad campaigns for Head and Shoulders dandruff shampoo, McDonald's and Uncle Ben's rice doesn't intend to stray far from her Madison Avenue roots while leading the effort to corrode Osama bin Laden's popularity in the Muslim world. We are having people who are not our friends define America in negative terms, Beers told foreign reporters based in Washington. It is time for us to re-ignite the understanding of America. Selling Uncle Sam the same way she sold Uncle Ben's rice is fine by her boss, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. Guess what? She got me to buy Uncle Ben's rice, Powell told some skeptical members of Congress last week. There is nothing wrong with getting somebody who knows how to sell something. Beers' challenge is to show the world that America's concept of freedom goes beyond the Golden Arches. She has never been one to shrink from challenges. Beers started her career in advertising at J. Walter Thompson in Chicago. She rose to become senior vice-president of the agency before joining a smaller agency, Tatham Laird, as chief executive. Beers became the first woman to chair the American Association of Advertising Agencies in 1998 after moving to stumbling giant Ogilvy Mather. Her southern-belle charm has helped Beers achieve what all successful advertising agency executives need - a close enough relationship with her clients to make her indispensable. She was credited with a number of major account wins, including the global IBM advertising account. Beers was 65 - though little about her flamboyant wardrobe brings to mind a senior citizen - when Powell approached her earlier this year to serve as undersecretary, despite having no diplomatic experience. The senate hel d up her confirmation for six months, agreeing to rush it through only in the aftermath of Sept. 11. Her target audience is the Islamic and Arab street where students learn to hate the United States as school children and that hatred is nourished by state-sponsored propaganda. Beers is undaunted. She's certain her new clients will buy her new product. This is the most elegant brand I've ever had to work with, Beers said. President Bush and Secretary Powell are embodying the brand. That's a pretty inspiring place to start. The brand had few takers on the streets of Arab and Muslim countries. Even after the shattering events of Sept. 11, the United States was still managing to lose the public relations battle to a mass murderer. Bin Laden showed himself to be a cunning communicator after the airliner assaults. Beers quickly put together a rapid response team to counteract bin Laden's video messages. Former ambassador to Syria Chris Ross was sent to appear on Al-Jazeera television to challenge bin Laden's video in fluent Arabic. And, after months of not agreeing to go on Egyptian television, Powell popped up on Egypt' s Nile News Channel last week to defend the war. He was soon followed by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Consider the alternative, which is silence, or letting other people speak for us, Beers said. So I think we have no choice. She talks of drafting athletes, musicians and actors to remind the world that there is more to America than imperialism and Coca-Cola, but hastens to add that the celebrities will be used in low-key public service ads. It's unlikely that you're going to see anything quite as dramatic as a Coca-Cola spot. Hollywood has been recruited to swing American and Muslim opinion behind the war effort. The White House convened a meeting Sunday in Hollywood with 40 studio executives and actors to enlist their help to communicate, ed ucate and inspire patriotism. Nobody uses the word propaganda, but it would seem to amount to the same thing. The whole notion of using the glitzy wizardry of Hollywood and Madison Avenue tactics to eradicate foreign notions of American avarice and superficiality would seem suspicious. An influential London-based Arabic paper described Beers' strategy as dangerous. The intervention by the U.S. and British governments in the media services and dissemination of information to people endangers the future of political and civil freedoms, Al-Hayat said last week. This step will encourage undemocratic regimes to continue to control the press and media and
Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- ok tell me about the 3rd -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:57:25 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 8:35:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we did not lose the war in Vietnam because of protests here. we lost because it was not a winnable war, it was not a moral war, and it was not our war. Not bad, you are getting better. I agree with two out of three of your stated reasons. BHoward ³It is wrong, always, everywhere and for everyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.²W.K. Clifford A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks.
-Caveat Lector- who's? -- --- - Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it Elwood P Dowd NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:02:41 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks. BHoward With tongue in cheek A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] EU vs Israel
-Caveat Lector- maybe I wasn't clear I didn't mean give it back after they lost a war I meant just give it back -- - --- - --- --- Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:07:45 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] EU vs Israel -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 8:47:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can anyone think of any country, other than Israel, that has gained land by winning a war,(whether they started it or not) that they had to give back? Germany. In the Franco-German war the Germans took Alsace-Lorraine from France. At the end of WWI they were forced to return these areas back to France. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 10:52:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- ok tell me about the 3rd It was the part about moral war. War is not moral, never has been and never will be. War is about killing people and breaking things. Why would a sane G*d want to take sides in something like this? Mark Twain once wrote a short story on this subject which is worth reflecting on. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- The War Prayer by Twain is an amazing work... had my copy out on my coffee table since this madness started... Mike -Original Message- From: Bill Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 10:52:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- ok tell me about the 3rd It was the part about moral war. War is not moral, never has been and never will be. War is about killing people and breaking things. Why would a sane G*d want to take sides in something like this? Mark Twain once wrote a short story on this subject which is worth reflecting on. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks.
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: Who's? Please don't make jokes like this. You may give our elected representives ideas. Hell, who knows they may get on a roll and vote Japan reconstruction money to help them repair the damage Godzilla did the last time he visited Tokyo. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: A New War #20--Nov. 13, 2001
-Caveat Lector- --- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The U.S. promised Pakistan the Northern Alliance wouldn't enter Kabul. With the Taliban out of the capital, who will govern the country? __ Nakano comments: You can bet that whoever governs the country, it will be a government that is friendly and cooperative with the big oil companies. Whatever form the new government takes, it will give its full blessing to the huge oil and gas pipelines these companies have planned to build for years. This is purpose of this war. These are not my words. The commanding General of U.S. Military Forces in that theater was quoted in a news interview last week. He plainly stated: Getting Osama bin Laden in not our mission. The mission is to destroy the Taliban This war is about the oil and natural gas in the Caspian Basin. Just hide and watch. The pipelines will soon be under construction. Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12
-Caveat Lector- Fernando's is in Argentina, thew. For him and for anyone else not from around here, a quick geography lesson: New York City consists of 5 divisions called boroughs. Manhattan, which is usually what people mean when they say New York City or The City, is one of the 5 boroughs. The other four are Queens, where the plane crash took place, Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island. Brooklyn and Queens are situated on Long Island. Staten Island and Manhattan are separate islands unto themselves. The Bronx is part of the U.S. mainland, at the end of a peninsula. The Hudson River is on the west side of Manhattan Island, and the East River is on the east side. The famous river crossings: Holland Tunnel (near Ground Zero), the Lincoln Tunnel (midtown Manhattan) and the George Washington Bridge (uptown Manhattan), cross the Hudson River, connecting Manhattan to New Jersey. The boroughs are informally divided into neighborhoods and districts, mostly by ZIP code, much like big cities all over the world. Far Rockaway is a neighborhood in Queens, with its own ZIP code. Maps are available at http://www.mapquest.com which will show where everything is and where you can find restaurants and hotels too. :-D Tenorlove --- thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- its not close to NY its part of new york city -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Fernando Sobral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:57:44 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12 -Caveat Lector- That s true and it s close to NY. It s said by offcial media that at least 4 buildings are in fire. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/01 11:26 news bulletin on t.v. - airplane crashed in Rockaways. There were no details. I think this is in N.Y. __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] EU vs Israel
-Caveat Lector- On 13 Nov 01, at 11:58, thew wrote: can anyone think of any country, other than Israel, that has gained land by winning a war,(whether they started it or not) that they had to give back? The (Once) Great Britain and France and the United States and ... and... the Soviet Union ... and Spain ... and the Dutch ... and ... (O)GB used to be an empire, see, and those folks got themselves spread all around the globe. Then these upstarts (who later became Americans) kicked their Nancy patooies out. Then they eventually lost India/Pakistan and the Middle East, from where you question stems in that the land the once controlled eventually became the countries (albeit artificially demarked) we know as Syria (Fr), Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and all the rest. And, in amongst all of this, Israel sprang into being. The unfortunate thing is all of this is following the Britlandic paradigm of empire, one that we can all see didn't work in the long run. AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Caspian Capers
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http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr011109_
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09
November 2001
Caspian security under threat
The battle for control of the Caspian Basin's vast oil and gas riches
could become
deadly if the US-led war against global terrorism ignites trouble in
Central Asia
and the Caucasus.
Turkey has already warned Russia that there is a risk of violence
flaring again
in the Caucasus, where Moscow's relations with Georgia have
deteriorated sharply,
with Georgia accusing the Russians of conducting air strikes in
support of dissident
forces in late October.
Tensions also remain palpable between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Indeed,
the foreign
ministers of Georgia and these Caucasus republics said in late
October they
were concerned that the developing war in Afghanistan would divert attention
from the potentially explosive ethnic conflicts that have riven the region since
the collapse of the Soviet Union a decade ago.
Georgia's foreign minister, Irakly Menagarishvili, whose government is fighting
separatists in the Abkhazia region, has accused Moscow of exploiting the Afghan
conflict to press its own interests in Central Asia and the Caucasus. Russia
moved military forces to its border with Georgia in late October to block what
it claimed were armed groups, many of which it said were 'Islamic zealots' from
Chechnya operating with tacit Georgian support, crossing from Abkhazia.
The swelling crisis in Georgia also stems from deepening discontent with the
government of President Eduard Shevardnadze, who was forced to dismiss his entire
cabinet on 1 November in a bid to appease anti-government protesters.
There is also growing discontent in Uzbekistan with the authoritarian regime
of President Islam Karimov, which has the largest armed forces in
Central Asia.
In recent months, Karimov has used the threat of militant Islam in
the region
as the pretext for crushing his political opposition. This, many
fear, will
intensify support for underground Islamic groups, particularly in
the volatile Ferghana Valley.
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Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- fair enough though as you know I'm not one who looks to some deity for the source of morals - but as the son of holocaust camp survivors, I do see that some wars are worth fighting - perhaps moral wasn't exactly the right word to use... but I can't quite come up with a better one at the moment which mark twain story? -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:59:29 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 10:52:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- ok tell me about the 3rd It was the part about moral war. War is not moral, never has been and never will be. War is about killing people and breaking things. Why would a sane G*d want to take sides in something like this? Mark Twain once wrote a short story on this subject which is worth reflecting on. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12
-Caveat Lector- quick note for real geeks the east river is not a river at all but an estuary -- - --- - --- --- Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:18:06 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12 -Caveat Lector- Fernando's is in Argentina, thew. For him and for anyone else not from around here, a quick geography lesson: New York City consists of 5 divisions called boroughs. Manhattan, which is usually what people mean when they say New York City or The City, is one of the 5 boroughs. The other four are Queens, where the plane crash took place, Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island. Brooklyn and Queens are situated on Long Island. Staten Island and Manhattan are separate islands unto themselves. The Bronx is part of the U.S. mainland, at the end of a peninsula. The Hudson River is on the west side of Manhattan Island, and the East River is on the east side. The famous river crossings: Holland Tunnel (near Ground Zero), the Lincoln Tunnel (midtown Manhattan) and the George Washington Bridge (uptown Manhattan), cross the Hudson River, connecting Manhattan to New Jersey. The boroughs are informally divided into neighborhoods and districts, mostly by ZIP code, much like big cities all over the world. Far Rockaway is a neighborhood in Queens, with its own ZIP code. Maps are available at http://www.mapquest.com which will show where everything is and where you can find restaurants and hotels too. :-D Tenorlove --- thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- its not close to NY its part of new york city -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Fernando Sobral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:57:44 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12 -Caveat Lector- That s true and it s close to NY. It s said by offcial media that at least 4 buildings are in fire. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/01 11:26 news bulletin on t.v. - airplane crashed in Rockaways. There were no details. I think this is in N.Y. __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
[CTRL] Ollie's Insecurity
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From
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Origins: For most of us who watched the televised Iran-Contra
hearings in 1987 -- held by Congress to determine whether the Reagan
administration had secretly and illegally sold arms to Iran in order
to secure the release of American hostages, then used
the profits from those sales to fund the contra rebels in Nicaragua -
- the enduring image we came away with was a memory of an
unapologetic and resolute Lt. Col. Oliver North delivering testimony
in a Marine uniform. North, who was a central figure in the plan to
secretly ship arms to Iran despite a U.S. trade and arms embargo, and
who as a National Security Council aide directed efforts to raise
private and foreign funds for the contras despite a Congressional
prohibition on U.S. government agencies' providing military aid to
the Nicaraguan rebels, testified before Congress under a grant of
limited immunity in July 1987, becoming the darling of the American
conservative movement with his earnest, self-justifying testimony
during the televised hearings (or, to the other side, becoming a
villain who lied to Congress to support an illegal war).
Although North had been granted limited immunity for his testimony,
he was later convicted of criminal charges related to Iran-Contra
activities (a conviction that was eventually overturned on the
grounds that witnesses had been influenced by his immunized
testimony). One of the charges against North was that he had
received a $16,000 home security system paid for out of the proceeds
of the Iran-Contra affair and had forged documents to cover his
receipt of an illegal gratuity. North admitted that he knew the
security system was a gift but maintained he never inquired about
who had paid for it or how it was financed, and he was insistent that
he needed the security system because the government had failed to
provide adequate protection against international terrorists for him
and his family.
The terrorist North mentioned in his testimony was not Osama bin
Laden, however. To the extent that bin Laden was known to the
western world in 1987, it was not as a terrorist but as one of the
U.S.-backed freedom fighters participating in the war against the
Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden's hatred of the
U.S. and conversion to terrorist status is not believed to have
come about until the Gulf War of 1990-91, when he was outspokenly
critical of Saudi Arabian dependence upon the U.S. military and
denounced U.S. support of a corrupt, materialist, and irreligious
Saudi monarchy. (The Saudi Arabian government stripped bin Laden of
his citizenship in 1994 for his funding of militant fundamentalist
Islamic groups.)
No, Oliver North did not testify about or speak the name Osama bin
Laden during the Iran-Contra hearings. He claimed that threats
against his life had been made by terrorist Abu Nidal, telling a
congressional committee:
I want you to know that I'd be more than willing . . . to meet Abu
Nidal on equal terms anywhere in the world. There's an even deal for
him. OK? But I am not willing to have my wife and my four children
meet Abu Nidal or his organization on his terms.
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Abu Nidal
Arabic: 'abû nidal
Real name: Sabri l-Banna
An Introduction to Koranic and Classical Arabic
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(Jaffa 1937- )
Palestinian politician and guerilla leader.
Abu Nidal, which real name is Sabri l-Banna, has for the last 25
years been one of the figures in the Middle East which most often
have changed sides. He has been cooperating with the leaders of Iraq,
Syria, Saudi Arabia
and Libya. He has always been a controversial figure, and since his forces have
proven valuable (if dangerous) for many leaders his career has been dominated by both
expulsions and invitations.
Abu Nidal has been responsible for terrorist attacks outside the Middle East, too. In
recent years Abu Nidal have been far less active, much because he has not had the
willing employers he had before.
HISTORY
1937: Born in Jaffa.
1948: Banna's family flees to a refugee camp on the Gaza Strip, later they move to
Nablus on the West Bank.
1955: Banna joins the Ba'th party of Jordan.
1957: When the Ba'th party gets suppressed, Banna moves to Saudi Arabia and becomes
secret member of Al Fatah.
1969: Banna is selected Al Fatah's representative in Sudan.
1970: Banna is sent to Baghdad as Al Fatah's representative, where he is strongly
influenced by Iraqi political views.
1974: Banna is expelled from Al Fatah, after criticising Al Fatah's establishment of a
national authority for a liberated Palestine. Banna responds with building his own
group, called Fatah Revolutionary Council, which re
ceives funds from Iraq. Banna uses Baghdad as his base.
November: Al Fatah accuses Banna of murder plots, and sentences him to death.
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[CTRL] Fwd: RB: Man given life for growing marijuana!
---BeginMessage--- Please distribute this article wide and far. This man was given life for growing marijuana! -- URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1903/a10.html Newshawk: chip Pubdate: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 Source: Evansville Courier Press (IN) Copyright: 2001 The Evansville Courier Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.courierpress.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/138 Author: John Martin Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/pot.htm (Cannabis) DALE MAN GIVEN LIFE SENTENCE IN DRUG CASE A Dale, Ind., man received a life prison sentence Thursday in connection with a sophisticated marijuana operation in Michigan that involved several local individuals, including a former executive director of the ECHO Health Center in Evansville. The marijuana farming operation is believed to be one of the biggest ever discovered in Michigan, and authorities say large amounts were distributed in the Evansville area. Federal authorities say Chad Robinson, 45, of Dale, purchased a 75-acre farm in Sanilac County, Mich., where marijuana worth millions of dollars was produced in 1995 and 1996. Authorities discovered the marijuana operation in October 1996 while investigating a complaint of horses running loose in the area. Ties to the operation were found in the Evansville area as well as in Kentucky and Ohio. Authorities say the farm was bought by Robinson in February 1995, and more than 14,000 pot plants were processed there that year. The figure grew to 19,000 plants in 1996, say authorities. Robinson's life sentence was ordered Thursday by U.S. District Judge David Lawson in Bay City, Mich. Authorities say the drug charge on which Robinson was convicted normally carries a sentence of 10 to 20 years, but it was upgraded in his case because of two prior felony drug convictions. Other local individuals charged in connection with the operation include: Ralph Michael Kough, 53, the former ECHO Health Center executive director. Kough received a two-year prison sentence in May after pleading guilty to a federal marijuana charge. He was convicted of buying marijuana from the farm for local distribution. Kough's wife, 53-year-old Barbara Kough, has pleaded guilty to Indiana state marijuana charges arising from a search warrant execution at her home in 1998. She has not been sentenced. Marcus Robinson, 53, of Tennyson, Ind., was the owner of record on the Michigan farm and one of its primary financiers, say authorities. He was sentenced Sept. 26 to 15 years in federal prison. Rex R. Robinson, 40, of Oakland City, Ind., has been convicted of two federal drug charges and is still awaiting sentencing. - --- MAP posted-by: Beth _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- To unsubscribe from freerenee, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the command unsubscribe http://www.reneeboje.com/ ---End Message---
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-Caveat Lector- From http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer- friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25295 }}}Begin Kallstrom's quest for redemption Editor's note: James Sanders, a former police officer turned investigative reporter, co-writes this report with Jack Cashill. Sanders is the author of The Downing of TWA Flight 800 and Altered Evidence, among other books. By Jack Cashill © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com FBI agent James Kallstrom has been named head of anti-terrorism for New York. He was chief investigator of the explosion aboard TWA 800. He's just weeks away from concluding that the World Trade Center collapsed due to mechanical failure. Comedian Argus Hamilton Sept. 11 had to be a day of agony for James Kallstrom. He had spent more than 20 years of his FBI career in the New York City office, the last four of those years as bureau chief. How many good people he knew among the dead and wounded, we do not presume to calculate. Yet the burden Kallstrom bore that day went deeper than the loss of friends and colleagues. As the FBI agent in charge of the TWA 800 investigation starting five years prior, he had had the opportunity to prevent an even t like this from happening. But he did not. The lessons that might have been learned and the changes that might have been made were not. The corruption of the Flight 800 investigation was not Kallstrom's idea. It came from the top. But, reluctantly or otherwise, Kallstrom let it happen. He allowed the investigation to become a farce, an unfunny running gag, an open sore in America's psyche, and the source of an unprecedented and deeply felt cynicism among its aviation community. To verify the depths of that cynicism, just ask any TWA pilot or mechanic or Boeing enginee r what brought down that doomed airliner. Mechanical failure will not be among the answers. The case of TWA 800 also served as a turning point in the Islamic jihad. In his authoritative book, Bin Laden, The Man Who Declared War on America, Yossef Bodansky argues that in its ability to suppress terrorist exp lanations and 'float' mechanical failure theories about the demise of TWA 800, the Clinton administration opened a hellish Pandora's Box. To avoid such suppression after future strikes, Bodansky prophesied, terrorism-sponsoring states would raise the ante so that the West cannot ignore them. Bodansky wrote this in 1999. As the director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, he knew whereof he spoke. For the record, he is also the director of research of the International St rategic Studies Association and a senior editor for the Defense Foreign Affairs group of publications. In his book on Bin Laden, Bodansky unequivocally cites the crash of TWA 800 as a terrorist act. Although imprecise on the specifics of the act itself, he details the events leading up to it and the claims of responsibilit y afterwards. The intelligence we (Sanders and Cashill) have received since Sept. 11 strongly supports his claim. (The actual terrorist scenario, however, differs from what most people believed. More on this when fully confirmed.) Having spent 25 years in the highly Catholic culture of the FBI, Kallstrom surely understands guilt. His actions suggest as much. A month after the destruction of the World Trade Center, he abandoned a comfy sinecure as executive vice president at credit card giant MBNA Inc., and assumed the gritty top job at New York state's new Office of Public Security. The new job may well be his own attempt at atonement. He has much to atone for. Unlike the hacks at the National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jim Hall and Vice-Chair Robert Francis Kallstrom could find no easy refuge in willful ignorance or political opportunism. In 1996 at least, James Kall strom was a serious man with an admirable record. As a young Marine platoon commander, he had served in Vietnam near the DMZ and fought in the grueling battle of Khe Sanh. As an FBI agent, he worked on the 1993 World Trad e Center bombing and led his office in its successful assault on John Gotti and the New York mob. In sum, he had established a worthy record for himself long before he ever knew the name Bill Clinton, a name that today , he must regret ever hearing. The Clinton pattern now seems clear. Right after the crash, the White House pressured investigators into silence under the guise of national security. But Kallstrom was savvy enough to recognize political expediency whe n he saw it, especially in the run up to a presidential election. Unlike Clinton, Kallstrom truly felt the pain in his own words of walking into a Ramada Inn on day two or day three, and seeing a thousand plus people that have just lost their daughter or their son, a mother or fath er in some cases, the entire family. In reviewing the record, one finds an impulse towards truth telling on his part that is unique in the investigation. We do have
[CTRL] Fw: USA PATRIOT opens CIA, NSA, intelligence databases to police
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: FC: USA PATRIOT opens CIA, NSA, intelligence databases to police One relevant excerpt: The Executive Office of United States Attorneys is undertaking a review of all law enforcement and intelligence databases in order to identify those that should be made available to each of the districts. --- Directives from Attorney General Ashcroft's speech before EOUSA's Anti-Terrorism Coordinators Conference November 13, 2001 MEMORANDUM TO ALL UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS FROM: THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SUBJECT:Cooperation with State and Local Officials in the Fight Against Terrorism The September 11 attacks demonstrate that the war on terrorism must be fought and won at home as well as abroad. To meet this new threat and to prevent future attacks, law enforcement officials at all levels of government -- federal, state, and local -- must work together, sharing information and resources needed both to arrest and prosecute the individuals responsible and to detect and destroy terrorist cells before they can strike again. On October 26, 2001, the President signed into law the USA PATRIOT Act of 2001. A key feature of this anti-terrorism legislation is its provisions requiring increased sharing of information among law enforcement and national security personnel at all levels of government. These measures, proposed by the President, are critical to the common effort to prevent and disrupt terrorist acts. To win the war on terrorism, federal prosecutors and law enforcement personnel must develop and implement effective procedures for information-sharing and cooperation with their state and local counterparts. I therefore direct you to take prompt action in three major areas: 1. Designation of Chief Information Officer. To centralize the process by which information relevant to the investigation and prosecution of terrorists can be shared with state and local officials, I hereby direct you to designate a Chief Information Officer (CIO) to participate on the Anti-Terrorism Task Force (ATTF) in your district. The CIO shall coordinate with the relevant Law Enforcement Coordination Committee (LECC) to ensure that the LECC acts as a formal conduit of information with state and local officials, including elected officials and local law enforcement representatives. The CIO need not be a new employee and may be your LECC coordinator if he or she already has strong ties to state and local officials in your district. Where information is provided by state and local officials to federal officials, the CIO should make every effort to apprise the state and local individual or agency of any follow-up action prompted by the information provided. I further direct the CIO to assist in making state and local officials aware of the various counter-terrorism training resources available through the Department of Justice. 2. Information Sharing Structures. To streamline the procedures for information sharing between federal, state, and local officials in a manner tailored to the needs of each district, I hereby direct the CIO in your district to solicit from state and local officials suggestions on the best way to disseminate information in your district. After considering those suggestions, the CIO, through the LECC, will establish, by December 1, 2001, communications protocols for sharing information with state and local officials on the ATTF, as well as with chiefs of police and elected officials who may not be members of the ATTF in their district. At a minimum the protocol in each district must include a system to communicate information 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I also urge you to consider including in your protocols daily or weekly conference calls with members of the LECC, the ATTF, and with chiefs of police and elected officials who may not be members of these committees. The protocols established pursuant to this directive will not only provide a mechanism for federal officials to share information with their state and local counterparts, but also must include procedures by which state and local officials can forward information to federal officials. In fulfilling this directive, I further direct you to use, where practicable, technologies already available and currently in use by the Department to facilitate information-sharing, such as the Regional Information Sharing System (RISS). The RISS system comprises six regional intelligence centers operating in various geographic regions, including all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The RISS system has created riss.net, the only secure internet-based national network for sharing of criminal intelligence among federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies. RISS also operates secure WATS/patch and telephone
Re: [CTRL] On February 23,2000,ORIGINAL MESSAGE HAS INFECTED ATTACHMENT WHICH I REMOVED FROMTHIS REPLY
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[CTRL] Small Pox
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11/08/2001 - Updated 11:55 AM ET
Decades-old smallpox vaccinations
may still protect
By Rita Rubin, USA TODAY
While many Americans worry that bioterrorists will strike
with smallpox before the USA has enough vaccine, studies suggest
that people
immunized 50 years ago or more still have some protection.
Researchers also
say mass immunization probably wouldn't be necessary because
smallpox is not
as contagious as other bugs such as measles or the flu. It's not
going to be
the Armageddon that some would have you believe, says smallpox
expert James LeDuc of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
In some countries, smallpox was eradicated after less than two-thirds
of people were immunized, LeDuc says.
Read more
Resources
Smallpox facts
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Chat with Bioterror authors Thursday at 5:30 p.m. ET
Chat transcript: Scourge author Jonathan Tucker
More coverage: America on Alert
Graphic
A primer on symptoms, infections
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When it comes to smallpox vaccine, the immune system appears to have
a long memory. Even if you're over 50 years old
and saw the vaccine when you were a child, the risk of dying from
infection
is much less than if you've never seen the vaccine, LeDuc says.
The United States stopped giving smallpox vaccinations
in 1972, but the government wants to stockpile doses in case of an
attack.
LeDuc says the CDC this month will rewrite a section of
its Web site to better explain the issue of residual immunity.
Currently, the
Web site states that smallpox vaccine protects for only three to
five years.
A 1913 report about a 1902-03 outbreak in Liverpool, England,
provides the earliest clues about the vaccine's legs. The study
analyzed the
severity of disease in 1,163 people.
There were 55 cases among people 50 and older who had been
vaccinated in their childhood. Only four were severe, and only
three died, says
Frank Fenner, co-author of Smallpox and Its Eradication and
researcher at the
John Curtin School of Medical Research in Canberra, Australia. By
comparison, Fenner says, the disease killed six of the 12 victims 50
and older who had never
been vaccinated.
In 1996, scientists from the University of Massachusetts
Medical Center in Worcester reported that immune cells from healthy
volunteers
recognized the vaccinia virus used to immunize against smallpox
as a foe. Yet up to 50 years had passed since the volunteers'
smallpox vaccinations.
It's not clear how the immune response seen in the lab
would translate into real life, says study co-author Francis Ennis.
While immunity
persists for decades, Ennis says, it most likely does wane over
time.
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-Caveat Lector- Other MKULTRA subprojects dealt with ways to maximize stress on whole societies. John Marks The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, Times Books, 1979 And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. Aldous Huxley, 1959 Through clever and constant application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1923 http://www.artbell.com/binladen.html http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html http://www.hightech-store.com/coup.html http://www.angelfire.com/mi/smilinks/metaprogramming.txt http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/dud/biowarfare.txt Chicago Lawyer Hired by the House Judiciary Committee to Impeach Clinton. Months Before the Sept. Cataclysm, Schippers Was Literally Banging on John Ashcroft's Door Telling Him of the Impending Attack. The Entire Top of the Federal Government Ignored Him. Now, the Same FBI and Defense Intelligence Agents That Leaked Him the Information on the Prior Knowledge Have Given Classified Information to the BBC, Proving That Bush had Prior Knowledge and That He Even Pulled the FBI off of Bin Laden's Men. You Don't Want to Miss This Show! http://www.infowars.com/ The air raid siren went off. Former RAF corporal Richie Turnbull wheezed and coughed as he spoke. He is one of tens of thousands of Gulf War vets who have been diagnosed with a fistful of illnesses attributed to his service in the Gulf War. These include emphysema, angina, asthma, arteriosclerosis, arthritis, short term memory loss, muscle wasting, cough syncope and numerous other debilitating ailments. Before deployment to the Gulf, Turnbull was an accomplished and superbly fit sub-aqua diver. Today, he walks with the aid of canes - slowly. http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/biological_black_magic.htm The narcotics industry has a turnover, estimated to be in excess of $1 trillion per annum. Put more simply, it is the largest industry in the world. Ongoing international measures to eradicate this industry have largely proved futile, despite the billions spent. For example, the death in Columbia - at the hands of law enforcement officers - of drug baron, Pablo Escobar, and the US capture of Panamanian middle-man, Manuel Noriega, didnt interrupt the flow of Columbian cocaine one iota. On the contrary, shipments to the United States and elsewhere, increased sharply in the wake of these so called Drug Enforcement victories. http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/deep_black_1_2.htm In an October 1977, article published by Rolling Stone magazine, Bernstein reported that more than 400 American journalists worked for the CIA. Bernstein went on to reveal that this cozy arrangement had covered the preceding 25 years. Sources told Bernstein that the New York Times, Americas most respected newspaper at the time, was one of the CIAs closest media collaborators. Seeking to spread the blame, the New York Times published an article in December 1977, revealing that more than eight hundred news and public information organisations and individuals, had participated in the CIAs covert subversion of the media. http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/subverting_the_media.htm When viewed in conjunction with another US government document, the underlying foreign policy aims of NSSM 200, are cause for concern in the minds of many observers. During 1970, the US Department of Defence applied to the US Senate appropriations committee for funding to research and develop a biological weapon that would attack the human immune system. The request was for the development of synthetic biological agents. In giving testimony to the Senate committee, Dr. Donald MacArthur, a US Army biological warfare expert, stated: Within the next 5 to 10 years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective micro-organism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Dr. MacArthur then added Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious diseases. He concluded that a feasibility research programme to this end could be completed in approximately 5 years at a cost of $10 million. The requested sum was granted. http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/pentagon_aids.htm Everything is done in the name of anti-communism, and is conducted under the umbrella of national security a designation that is sure to stifle any irksome police
Re: [CTRL] Bin Laden : Yes, I did it
-Caveat Lector- actual FULL PARAGRAPHS from bin Laden http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/10/top1.htm THE WAR *** DAWN, PAKISTAN: Osama bin Laden has said that we have chemical and nuclear weapons as a deterrent and if America used them against us we reserve the right to use them. He said this in a special interview with Hamid Mir, the editor of Ausaf, for Dawn and Ausaf, at an undisclosed location near Kabul. This was the first interview given by Osama to any journalist after the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington. The correspondent was taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul on the night of Nov 7 to a place where it was extremely cold and one could hear the sound of anti-aircraft guns firing away. After a wait of some time, Osama arrived with about a dozen bodyguards and Dr Ayman Al-Zuwahiri and answered questions . . . HM: In your statement of Oct 7, you expressed satisfaction over the Sept 11 attacks, although a large number of innocent people perished in them, hundreds among them were Muslims. Can you justify the killing of innocent men in the light of Islamic teachings ? OBL: This is a major point in jurisprudence. In my view, if an enemy occupies a Muslim territory and uses common people as human shield, then it is permitted to attack that enemy. For instance, if bandits barge into a home and hold a child hostage, then the child's father can attack the bandits and in that attack even the child may get hurt. America and its allies are massacring us in Palestine, Chechenya, Kashmir and Iraq. The Muslims have the right to attack America in reprisal . . . The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was against killing women and children. When he saw a dead woman during a war, he asked why was she killed? If a child is above 13 and wields a weapon against Muslims, then it is permitted to kill him. The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their government, they elect their president, their government manufactures arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all government measures and this proves that the entire America is responsible for the atrocities perpetrated against Muslims. The entire America, because they elect the Congress. I ask the American people to force their government to give up anti-Muslim policies. The American people had risen against their government's war in Vietnam. They must do the same today. The American people should stop the massacre of Muslims by their government. HM: Can it be said that you are against the American government, not the American people ? OSB: Yes. We are carrying on the mission of our Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). The mission is to spread the word of God, not to indulge massacring people. We ourselves are the target of killings, destruction and atrocities. We are only defending ourselves. This is defensive Jihad. We want to defend our people and our land. That is why I say that if we don't get security, the Americans, too would not get security. This is a simple formula that even an American child can understand. This is the formula of live and let live . . . HM: Some Western media claim that you are trying to acquire chemical and nuclear weapons. How much truth is there in such reports? OSB: I heard the speech of American President Bush yesterday. He was scaring the European countries that Osama wanted to attack with weapons of mass destruction. I wish to declare that if America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent. HM: Where did you get these weapons from ? OSB: Go to the next question. HM: Demonstrations are being held in many European countries against American attacks on Afghanistan. Thousands of the protesters were non-Muslims. What is your opinion about those non-Muslim protesters ? OSB: There are many innocent and good-hearted people in the West. American media instigates them against Muslims. However, some good-hearted people are protesting against American attacks because human nature abhors injustice. The Muslims were massacred under the UN patronage in Bosnia . . . HM: Some people say that war is no solution to any issue. Do you think that some political formula could be found to stop the present war ? OSB: You should put this question to those who have started this war. We are only defending ourselves . . . HM: A French newspaper has claimed that you had kidney problem and had secretly gone to Dubai for treatment last year. Is that correct ? OSB: My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year. HM: Is it correct that a daughter of Mulla Omar is your wife or your daughter is Mulla Omar's wife ? OSB: (Laughs). All my wives are Arabs ( and all my daughters are married to Arab Mujahideen). I have spiritual relationship with Mulla Omar. He is a great and brave Muslim of this age. He does not fear anyone but Allah. He is not under any
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Antiwar News...(# 29)
---BeginMessage--- Antiwar News...(# 29) -- Contents: --The war against terrorism is a fraud --Air strikes on Kabul 'kill 13 civilians' --A Walk for Healing and Peace --Peace protesters surround MoD --Misdirected air strikes kill more civilians in capital --The Sick Logic of War --Thousands march in anti-war protests --U.S. Shifts Gears After a Week of Setbacks --U.S. Bombers Kill Kabul Family --U.S. Bombers Kill Kabul Family, Bus of Refugees --The USA and International Terrorism --New book by Chomsky on 9-11 --DO THE UNEXPECTED --Getting Ready for Winter Also of interest (links only): *What health problems do Afghan refugees face? *WOMEN AND THE FUTURE OF AFGHANISTAN *Online index documents censorship, free speech incidents *Afghanistan news links (comprehensive) *HIGHTOWER: WAVE OUR FLAG! -- (Anti-war links/resources at the end.) === The war against terrorism is a fraud http://mirror.icnetwork.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=11392430method=full The Mirror (London) October 28 By John Pilger Former Mirror Chief Foreign Correspondent THE war against terrorism is a fraud. After three weeks' bombing, not a single terrorist implicated in the attacks on America has been caught or killed in Afghanistan. Instead, one of the poorest, most stricken nations has been terrorised by the most powerful - to the point where American pilots have run out of dubious military targets and are now destroying mud houses, a hospital, Red Cross warehouses, lorries carrying refugees. Unlike the relentless pictures from New York, we are seeing almost nothing of this. Tony Blair has yet to tell us what the violent death of children - seven in one family - has to do with Osama bin Laden. And why are cluster bombs being used? The British public should know about these bombs, which the RAF also uses. They spray hundreds of bomblets that have only one purpose; to kill and maim people. Those that do not explode lie on the ground like landmines, waiting for people to step on them. If ever a weapon was designed specifically for acts of terrorism, this is it. I have seen the victims of American cluster weapons in other countries, such as the Laotian toddler who picked one up and had her right leg and face blown off. Be assured this is now happening in Afghanistan, in your name. None of those directly involved in the September 11 atrocity was Afghani. Most were Saudis, who apparently did their planning and training in Germany and the United States. The camps which the Taliban allowed bin Laden to use were emptied weeks ago. Moreover, the Taliban itself is a creation of the Americans and the British. In the 1980s, the tribal army that produced them was funded by the CIA and trained by the SAS to fight the Russians. The hypocrisy does not stop there. When the Taliban took Kabul in 1996, Washington said nothing. Why? Because Taliban leaders were soon on their way to Houston, Texas, to be entertained by executives of the oil company, Unocal. WITH secret US government approval, the company offered them a generous cut of the profits of the oil and gas pumped through a pipeline that the Americans wanted to build from Soviet central Asia through Afghanistan. A US diplomat said: The Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis did. He explained that Afghanistan would become an American oil colony, there would be huge profits for the West, no democracy and the legal persecution of women. We can live with that, he said. Although the deal fell through, it remains an urgent priority of the administration of George W. Bush, which is steeped in the oil industry. Bush's concealed agenda is to exploit the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian basin, the greatest source of untapped fossil fuel on earth and enough, according to one estimate, to meet America's voracious energy needs for a generation. Only if the pipeline runs through Afghanistan can the Americans hope to control it. So, not surprisingly, US Secretary of State Colin Powell is now referring to moderate Taliban, who will join an American-sponsored loose federation to run Afghanistan. The war on terrorism is a cover for this: a means of achieving American strategic aims that lie behind the flag-waving facade of great power. The Royal Marines, who will do the real dirty work, will be little more than mercenaries for Washington's imperial ambitions, not to mention the extraordinary pretensions of Blair himself. Having made Britain a target for terrorism with his bellicose shoulder to shoulder with Bush nonsense, he is now prepared to send troops to a battlefield where the goals are so uncertain that even the Chief of the Defence Staff says the conflict could last 50 years. The
Re: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks.
-Caveat Lector- --- Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/01 8:41:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subject: [CTRL] Bush recognizes Taliban as a 'Faith Based Organization'. Promises tax breaks. -Caveat Lector- Just kidding. J2 this is an old headline...bush recognizes... anyone still have the url for this? of course it happened back in june, i believe, and i am sure it was a matter of giving justification for continued funneling of money to bin laden and the boys...planning on global amnesia to occur to the point that the plan to take over the area could still take place in september i believe that this war plan is the reason bush stole the election = ~ As I've often told Ginsberg, you can't blame the President for the state of the country, it's always the poets' fault. You can't expect politicians to come up with a vision, they don't have it in them. Poets have to come up with the vision and they have to turn it on so it sparks and catches hold. KEN KESEY (1935 - 2001) http://www.sinkers.org/news_earth.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE WAR IS A TRAP
In a message dated 11/13/01 12:40:56 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was a complete waste of time. We haven't accomplished anything in 2 months? Bullshit! We haven't bombed an aspirin factory and called it square! No but "we" bombed a few civilian villages and a Red Cross warehouse...oopsie, right? So we're bombing a few mountains into submission...at an obscene price per missile/bomb. Yeah, this is great. So far we are doing more than Clinton did in 8 years! Bombing mountains? Declaring a War on "Terrorism"? The Military-Industrial Complex loves it...the Carlyle Group loves it...Unocal is getting serious wood at the prospects...but that's about it. Like a "War on Drugs", a "War on Terrorism" is an unwinnable war for everyone involved except the bankers and the corporations...it's a scam Jimmy! Open those eyes! Disinfo is such an ugly thing! I particularly love the way you liberals bitch and moan about our war tactics but have absolutely no great ideas of your own! What should we do, oh wise one? Do any of you have a better way of confronting the terrorists? And if you answer "Sing happy songs to them", it's better than any of the rest of you have recommended. Especially when propogated by foaming at the mouth lemmings like yourself...you want ideas? End aid to Israel forthwith, seal our borders, put a moratorium on immigration, deport all illegals...there's a start, and it beats the insanity that President Smirk and his merry men are now enacting. Bill.
[CTRL] Air Roulette, Anyone?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/duggan2.html Air Roulette, Anyone? by Jack Duggan At around 9:15 this morning, a multitude of witnesses heard an explosion overhead, looked up and saw debris falling from the sky. The debris was scattered over a wide area, including into Jamaica Bay, between JFK Airport and the long bony protrusion of the Far Rockaway Peninsula where part of the debris destroyed at least four buildings. It is believed by many that a shoulder-launched stinger missile (from Afghanistan) was fired from a small boat beneath the path of Flight 800. Could today's downing of Flight 587 have been from the same cause? After all, there are a lot of small craft on Jamaica Bay and no one can track all of them. What makes it suspicious is that the NTSB spokeswoman in D.C. is already calling today's crash "...an accident." And Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has done his fair share, declaring that more people did NOT hear an explosion than did, implying that it was merely a 'catastrophic engine failure.' Yeah, sure, like when our cars blow up into pieces when their engines fail. The instant spin-control is unbelievable. When a man called in saying "I saw the WHOLE thing," there were sudden "technical difficulties" and we were not allowed to hear what he had to say. An NBC in-the-street interview yielded a pilot who flies the exact same A300 aircraft. He started to say :...the engines in this aircraft have in-built safeguards that...," but they shut him off. Again it was due to "technical difficulties." My 12 year old commented that it was "..definitely an accident; the part of the aircraft where the wing meets the plane accidentally rubbed against a missile warhead, causing a spark that made the plane's fuel tank explode." Out of the mouths of babes... But just wait and you will hear the mantra of the lapdog media: "...accident, accident, accident" Scripture says that the love of money is the root of all evil. And this applies splendidly in this case: all of Congress who runs and hides from a few spores tells us to go to work and use public transportation. Congress is not obeying common sense or furthering patriotism. It is obeying the PAC money from the airlines, supranational corporations and their investors who don't want to lose millions of dollars a day when citizens balk from flying Air Tango Roulette, which is what every airline has become. It was "consumer confidence" (translation: money) that caused them to minimize the Flight 800 tragedy. Flight 800 was clearly shot down not far from today's Flight 587, but the truth was spun horrendously toward the ludicrous fuel tank theory. That is, ludicrous to the designers, pilots and mechanics of that aircraft, but what do they know? And why did the SAIC in charge of the Flight 800 investigation quit the FBI in disgust if the government told the truth about Flight 800? So, all of you remember to buy, buy, buy more airline tickets, because the New World Order needs your money to fund telling you even more lies while taking away even more of your rights, all in the name of protecting you, of course. It is ironic that the same media that never noticed the treasons of Willy Clintoon and Al Bore that now is supposed to be trusted to find the truth behind the disintegration of Flight 587. Fat chance. I don't know about you, but I'm not holding my breath. I already know the outcome of this new 'investigation.' And I'm sure not flying anywhere for a long time. November 13, 2001
[CTRL] Rodney Stitch's Letter To Ashcroft Re:Airline Safety
http://www.defraudingamerica.com/ashcroft_letter_wtc.html From the desk of Rodney Stich P.O. Box 5, Alamo, CA 94507; phone: 925-944-1930; FAX 925-295-1203 Author of DEFRAUDING AMERICA, DRUGGING AMERICA, UNFRIENDLY SKIES Member Association Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO) Association of National Security Alumni International Society of Air Safety Investigators (ISASI) Lawyers Pilots Bar Association (LPBA) Former FAA air safety investigator Former airline captain and Navy pilot E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Google.com search engine: “Rodney Stich” Web sites: www.defraudingamerica.com www.unfriendlyskies.com www.druggingamerica.com www.ombudsmen.org October 2, 2001 John Ashcroft U.S. Attorney General U.S. Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20530 Certified mail: 7000 1670 0012 2751 8650 Reference: Response to your request for information related to September 11, 2001 terrorist activities To Mr. Ashcroft: As a former federal air safety inspector-investigator[1] for the Federal Aviation Administration and a confidant to many present and former federal agents, I have acquired a great amount of knowledge and evidence relating to the September 11 deadly hijackings and related matters. For the purpose of this letter, reference is to the terrorist threat and how a culture within certain federal agencies aided and abetted and insured the success of the hijackers on September 11, 2001, and future terrorist attacks. For credibility, I am a former federal inspector-investigator for the Federal Aviation Administration; a former airline pilot with significant piloting experience in the Middle East, carrying Muslim and Arab passengers to Mecca and Medina from various parts of the Middle East; years of contacts with federal agents who conveyed considerable information to me—including agents of the FBI, DEA, Customs, and CIA, including former heads of secret CIA airlines and CIA financial operations who had information relating to terrorists. The success of the hijackers on September 11th, and many prior fatal hijackings, would not have occurred if the corruption that I documented did not exist. These conditions still exist and will undoubtedly play a key role in future terrorist attacks and other adverse actions against the people of the United States. This letter provides highlights of this misconduct and makes a record that you and your office have been informed of these matters. In an attempt to reveal these matters to the public and to circumvent the history of cover-ups by Justice Department personnel, I authored several books seeking to inform the public of these matters, including the matters that insured the success of the September 11, 2001, hijackers. These books include the third editions of Unfriendly Skies and Defrauding America and the first edition of Drugging America. The following information highlights several of these matters that I and my group of present and former federal agents discovered and documented. History of Corruption In FAA That Insured the Success Of the Hijackers While I was an FAA air safety inspector-investigator, holding federal air safety responsibilities for the most senior program at United Airlines, during a period of numerous airline crashes, I documented a pattern of misfeasance, malfeasance, nonfeasance, and corruption within the Federal Aviation Administration. Among the areas of FAA misconduct were pressure and threats against federal air safety inspectors not to report or act upon major air safety and even criminal activities, despite the repeated occurrence of fatal airline crashes due to these problems; refusal to act upon reports requiring changes to prevent hijackings that I and other federal air safety inspectors made, and many other areas of major air safety violations for which the FAA had a legal duty to take corrective action. Compounding this misconduct, inspectors making these reports were harassed and threatened, their official reports destroyed, and their lives and careers adversely affected. This is the deadly culture that resulted in many fatal airline crashes, including the prior airline crash into New York City, by United Airlines, that was the world’s worst air disaster at that time. The cover-up of the corruption within the FAA made possible the continuation of the federal offenses and the associated fatalities. The September 11, 2001, tragedies with over 6,000 deaths were simply another consequence of the internal FAA problems and the cover-up of these problems by Justice Department personnel. I documented these FAA offenses while I was an FAA inspector, and proved their relationship to several specific airline crashes, which included the earlier United Airlines crash into New York City. The hard-core corrupt and criminal misconduct within the FAA, going
[CTRL] Conspiracy Theory Research List Forum - A compendeum of articles concerning the events of 9/11
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.ctrl.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard//forums.cgi?forum=5show=0 Click Here: A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard//forums.cgi?forum=5show=0; Conspiracy Theory Research List Forum CTRL Fo /A - 911 Articles A compendeum of articles concerning the events of 9/11 300 plus articles deconstructing the recent tragic events. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Thank You, Franklin Delano Bush
http://www.lewrockwell.com/decoster/decoster49.html Thank You, Franklin Delano Bush by Karen De Coster I took the liberty (what few of those I have left) of putting President Bush's November 8 speech – at the Georgia World Congress Center – into the LewRockwell.com "truth translator". This fun, little tool examines and interprets the rhetoric of government spokespersons, and translates such twaddle into the statist prose that it actually represents. What emerges from the translator in this instance is an incriminating verbal assault on the sovereignty of all Americans. GWB: "I said in my speech to a joint session of Congress that we are a nation awakened to danger. We're also a nation awakened to service and citizenship and compassion." Your government has kicked around enough beehives and anthills so that it has brought upon us a disturbing new realism: terrorism upon U.S. innocents to pay for the sins of their government. We are a people that must realize it is time to give up our individual liberties and move toward an emotional and unconditional nationalist unity in support of the omnipotent State. GWB: "None of us would ever wish the evil that has been done to our country, yet we have learned that out of evil can come great good." As horrible as this act of terrorism was, it has created an opportunity for your government to use a time of crisis in order to scale back your liberties, disrupt your private lives, further regulate and control the free market, and offer you all some added security at the hands of government while convincing you that this supercedes any freedom issues. Without this act of terrorism, your government would not have this glorious opportunity for establishing totalitarian means toward collective ends. GWB: "We have gained new heroes, those who ran into burning buildings to save others: our police and our firefighters." Only the firefighters and police can be heroes; never can we apply the same hero status to the glorious capitalist warriors of the financial markets that died in the World Trade Center while driving the capitalist economy forward, because that would be politically incorrect to do so. GWB: "We are a different country than we were on September the 10th, sadder and less innocent, stronger and more united. And in the face of ongoing threats, determined and courageous." We are now a more willing sheeple, ready to sacrifice our freedoms for the collective soul of a unified nation, though we have yet to define exactly what this national unity is beyond its flag-waving, God bless America-singing façade. GWB: "This new enemy seeks to destroy our freedom and impose its views. We value life; the terrorists ruthlessly destroy it." Of course, we have imposed our views on others around the world for a century, and we are allowed to pick and choose those lives that are valued by the U.S. government. That is all to be ignored, however. GWB: "We wage a war to save civilization itself." War is the health of the State. We must strengthen the State at the expense of all else. GWB: "The government has a responsibility to protect our citizens, and that starts with homeland security. The first attack against America came by plane, and we are now making our airports and airplanes safer. We have posted the National Guard in America's airports and placed undercover air marshals on many flights. I call on Congress to quickly send me legislation that makes cockpits more secure, baggage screening more thorough, and puts the federal government in charge of all airport screening and security." You need more government in your lives. The fact that government has failed in all of the various industries in which it regulates is merely an aberration. We have not had the necessary allowances or resources to properly protect our citizens. Now we can use this crisis to usurp all powers that we were previously prevented from taking. Government can provide the only answer to solving the problems of security for its citizens. GWB: "To coordinate our efforts, we have created the new Office of Homeland Security. Its director, my good friend and former Governor Tom Ridge, reports directly to me and works with all of our federal agencies, state and local governments and the private sector on a national strategy to strengthen our homeland protections." Due to past political support, Mr. Ridge has received his payback. Franklin Roosevelt would be damn proud of such a clever creation as OHS. GWB: "We've passed a new anti-terrorism law, which gives our law enforcement officers the necessary tools to track terrorists before they harm Americans." We have finally had cause for bringing forth a kind of unconstitutional, New Deal-type legislation for which we otherwise could not have gained enough favor from the public. GWB: "We will always value freedom, yet we will not allow those who plot against our country to abuse our freedoms and our protections." Only your own government can
[CTRL] Federal Register: September 18, 2001:Bush Dictatorship: The Official Reality
Bush Dictatorship: The Official Reality by FEDERAL REGISTER Federal Register: September 18, 2001 (Volume 66, Number 181) Presidential Documents, Page 48199 Proclamation 7463 of September 14, 2001 Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks By the President of the United States of America A Proclamation A national emergency exists by reason of the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, New York, New York, and the Pentagon, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States. NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, I hereby declare that the national emergency has existed since September 11, 2001, and, pursuant to the National Emergencies Act (50 U. S.C. 1601 et seq.), I intend to utilize the following statutes: sections 123, 123a, 527, 2201(c), 12006, and 12302 of title 10, United States Code, and sections 331, 359, and 367 of title 14, United States Code. This proclamation immediately shall be published in the Federal Register or disseminated through the Emergency Federal Register, and transmitted to the Congress. This proclamation is not intended to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its agencies, its officers, or any person. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fourteenth day of September, in the year of our Lord two thousand one, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twenty-sixth. [signed:] George W. Bush [FR Doc. 01-23358 Filed 09-17-01; 8:45 am] Billing code 3195-01-P
[CTRL] Executive Order 13223 of September 14, 2001
Executive Order 13223 of September 14, 2001 Ordering the Ready Reserve of the Armed Forces To Active Duty and Delegating Certain Authorities to the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Transportation By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and in furtherance of the proclamation of September 14, 2001, Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks, which declared a national emergency by reason of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, New York, New York, and the Pentagon, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States, I hereby order as follows: Section 1. To provide additional authority to the Department of Defense and the Department of Transportation to respond to the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States, the authority under title 10, United States Code, to order any unit, and any member of the Ready Reserve not assigned to a unit organized to serve as a unit, in the Ready Reserve to active duty for not more than 24 consecutive months, is invoked and made available, according to its terms, to the Secretary concerned, subject in the case of the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Air Force, to the direction of the Secretary of Defense. The term ``Secretary concerned'' is defined in section 101(a)(9) of title 10, United States Code, to mean the Secretary of the Army with respect to the Army; the Secretary of the Navy with respect to the Navy, the Marine Corps, and the Coast Guard when it is operating as a service in the Navy; the Secretary of the Air Force with respect to the Air Force; and the Secretary of Transportation with respect to the Coast Guard when it is not operating as a service in the Navy. Sec. 2. To allow for the orderly administration of personnel within the armed forces, the following authorities vested in the President are hereby invoked to the full extent provided by the terms thereof: section 527 of title 10, United States Code, to suspend the operation of sections 523, 525, and 526 of that title, regarding officer and warrant officer strength and distribution; and sections 123, 123a, and 12006 of title 10, United States Code, to suspend certain laws relating to promotion, involuntary retirement, and separation of commissioned officers; end strength limitations; and Reserve component officer strength limitations. Sec. 3. To allow for the orderly administration of personnel within the armed forces, the authorities vested in the President by sections 331, 359, and 367 of title 14, United States Code, relating to the authority to order to active duty certain officers and enlisted members of the Coast Guard and to detain enlisted members, are invoked to the full extent provided by the terms thereof. Sec. 4. The Secretary of Defense is hereby designated and empowered, without the approval, ratification, or other action by the President, to exercise the authority vested in the President by sections 123, 123a, 527, and 12006 of title 10, United States Code, as invoked by sections 2 and 3 of this order. Sec. 5. The Secretary of Transportation is hereby designated and empowered, without the approval, ratification, or other action by the President, to exercise the authority vested in sections 331, 359, and 367 of title 14, United States Code, when the Coast Guard is not serving as part of the Navy, as invoked by section 2 of this order, to recall any regular officer or enlisted member on the retired list to active duty and to detain any enlisted member beyond the term of his or her enlistment. Sec. 6. The authority delegated by this order to the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Transportation may be redelegated and further subdelegated to civilian subordinates who are appointed to their offices by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate. Sec. 7. Based upon my determination under 10 U.S.C. 2201(c) that it is necessary to increase (subject to limits imposed by law) the number of members of the armed forces on active duty beyond the number for which funds are provided in appropriation Acts for the Department of Defense, the Secretary of Defense may provide for the cost of such additional members as an excepted expense under section 11(a) of title 41, United States Code. Sec. 8. This order is intended only to improve the internal management of the executive branch, and is not intended to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its agencies, its officers, or any person. Sec. 9. This order is effective immediately and shall be promptly transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register. [signed:] George W. Bush THE WHITE HOUSE, September 14, 2001. [FR Doc. 01-23359 Filed 9-17-01; 8:45
[CTRL] THE ONSLAUGHT ON THE PSYCHE OF AMERICA AND THE WIDER WORLD
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html THE ONSLAUGHT ON THE PSYCHE OF AMERICA AND THE WIDER WORLD By David Icke I do not believe for a moment that the crash of the Airbus after take off at New York was an accident - no matter how it may be subsequently explained officially. It is part of the so-called "Future Shock" attack on the collective mind of Americans, and particularly New Yorkers, which is a classic mind and emotional manipulation technique. With Future Shock you bombard the mind with so many shocks and traumas that eventually you break it's spirit and it switches off and becomes docile and subservient. In short, the psyche hits overload and shuts down, handing it's power of thought and analysis to an external authority. This is precisely what happens in the trauma-based mind control techniques inflicted upon mind slaves like Cathy O'Brien and millions of others around the world. And it works just as well collectively also when, as now, a nation's mind is targeted. Under this technique, in the wake of the horrors of September 11th, it matters not if the yesterday's plane crash is blamed on terrorists or technical failure. Either way it is another blow to a collective psyche already devastated, frightened, and deeply vulnerable, after 9-11 and will further destroy America's sense of security, inner peace, and self confidence - exactly as planned. This is the latest in a long line of shocks that are prepared for Americans. The Illuminati need to break down and dismantle the self confidence, self esteem, and sense of independence of Americans to the point where they will allow themselves and their society to be absorbed into the global fascist state which their leaders, like the Bush crime family, are helping to advance under the control of their unseen masters. One other point to ponder. The Brookhaven National Laboratories on Long Island, New York, also home to the infamous Montauk Project of mind control and advanced technology, have for many years been developing beam weapons. This was highlighed by real researchers when TWA flight 800 fell from the sky over Long Island in July 1996, again on take off at New York. It is child's play for these beam weapons to strike an aircraft engine on take off, detaching it from the plane, as described by eyewitnesses yesterday, and also to strike two massive twin towers and bring them down in a controlled demolition with no need for internally placed explosives. Such an attack on a building would disintegrate the concrete, turning it to dust. Mmmm. David Icke
[CTRL] a bin Laden-Harari link
-Caveat Lector- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.aboutsudan.com/issues/terrorism/embassy_bombings_aimed_to_d rive_us_out_of_africa.htm Embassy bombings aimed to drive U.S. out of Africa Executive Intelligence Review, Aug. 21, 1998, pp. 40-42 Dean Andromidas and Joseph Brewda A new page in the strategy of tension against the United States was written in blood on Aug. 7, with the simultaneous bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, which claimed more than 247 lives and injured another 5,000 people, predominantly Africans. The death toll from these attacks exceeded those against the Oklahoma City Federal building, which killed 168 people, and the bombing at the U.S. military base in Dharhan, Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 Americans. The international oligarchical enemies of the United States of John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and, potentially, Bill Clinton, have declared that they do not intend to allow the United States to trample on colonial turf '-especially African colonial turf, rich in strategic raw materials. One of the most cogent strategic assessments of the bomb attacks, appeared in an editorial by Ibrahim Nafei, editor-in-chief of the Egyptian government daily newspaper, Al-Ahram, who wrote, several days after the bombings: Only a few weeks separate Clinton's visit to Africa in April and the double explosions at the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania on Friday, August 7. During his visit, Clinton danced to African music, walked across the continent, took pictures as he played with children and mixed with Africans. The message has been understood that the continent is out of its traditional colonialist garb and is now under U.S. domination The U.S. Administration has viewed the road to Africa as strewn with roses. It has, accordingly, and wrongly, dismissed Europe's historical links to the continent. Nafei, who in the past has repeatedly accused Great Britain of being behind so-called Islamic Terrorism, went on to write: it appears that those acts of terrorism seek to arrest America's progress in Africa. A reconsideration of matters is, thus, called for to avoid a double loss, where America's gains in the continent are undermined and where Africa is turned into a battleground in the fight against terrorism. While it is certainly an exaggeration to claim that Africa is in any way under U.S. domination, the basic thrust of the Al-Ahram assessment is consistent with EIR's own view, that British-led, European-centered imperial factions are hell-bent on denying the United States an opportunity to even attempt to build viable nation-states on the African continent. A similar view was expressed by a former senior Pentagon official deeply involved in African policy, who emphasized to EIR on Aug. 11, that the twin bombings came at a moment when all of Africa has been thrown into chaos, within just a few months of President Clinton's call for an African Renaissance. The South African currency, the rand, is under heavy attack; the death of Nigerian head of state Gen. Sani Abacha remains suspicious, and has added an element of political instability to the economic crisis in the largest African state; and the Great Lakes region is once again devolving into war, from Congo-Zaire to Uganda, as Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni pursues his goal of building a Greater Tutsi Empire on the corpses of millions of Africans. The source emphasized that the issue behind the bombing attack is not the substance of U.S. Africa policy to date, which has been, and remains, a dismal failure, more often manipulated from London than manufactured in Washington. The mere threat of a shift in U.S. policy, back to the geometry of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's vision of a decolonized postwar world, sends the British and other European imperialists into a murderous frenzy. There are two obvious questions that must be asked, in framing any competent investigation of such a sophisticated and deadly act of irregular warfare: 1.Cui bono? Who benefits from the assault against the American presence on the African continent? 2. Among those with motives for such an assault, who possesses the capability to plan and execute it? While the British and Israeli press were quick to place a spotlight on such usual suspects as Iran, Iraq, and Sudan, the former Pentagon source was dismissive of these ploys. He noted that Sudan is in the process of pursuing improved relations with the United States, and attempting to peacefully settle the long-standing foreign-led destabilization in the south of the country. Similarly, Iran is seeking normalization with Washington. Certain factions in Britain, on the other hand, particularly those associated with Royal Consort Prince Philip and his World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF), are dead-set against the United States getting involved in African economic
[CTRL] is michael harari the 9-11 mastermind?
-Caveat Lector- why mention michael harari? 4,000 isrealis had day off on 9-11 instant messages to isreal warned of attack by far the most intense censorship of conspiracy 'theories' online have involved what is deemed anti-semitic, i.e. anti-israel [the equivalent of saying it is unamerican to question US foreign policy] the MEDIA was quite in place for coverage public sentiment was beginning to turn pro-palestinian and against israeli policy since 9-11, the israelis have managed to pour into palestine and wreak havoc...and pull out just in time for the overcoming of kabul - with FAR less international press coverage than they were getting before the event, when the oppression was nought compared to the last two months the mossad saying 'by deception shalt thou make war' harari is called the fixer harari enjoys the protection of london as an employee of the isreali embassy there even though norway wants his ass for masterminding dozens of political killings there harari's connections to the bush enterprises are thorough...he was in charge of operation watchtower - the program of drugs to LA gangs for money for guns for nicaragua - read more below Prosecutors in Norway have issued an international arrest warrant for a former Israeli intelligence agent, suspected of involvement in the mistaken killing of a Moroccan man nearly twenty-five years ago. A spokesman said the retired agent, Michael Harari, was wanted for questioning about the shooting, in the Norwegian town of Lillehammer in 1973. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_119000/119404.stm where is harari now? http://www.israel-embassy.org.uk/web/pages/polithm.htm Remember Col. Michael Harari, the Mossad officer who was the brains behind the drug crimes we blamed on Panama's former strongman Gen. Manuel Noriega? asked Shelton. After we invaded Panama, we grabbed Noriega and sent him to Miami, where he is still in prison. But Col. Harari and his men, who were as criminally guilty as Noriegaperhaps even more sowere quietly flown back to Israel in an un marked U.S. Air Force transport. http://www.spotlight.org/07_08_00/Columbia/columbia.html The participation of Noriega advisor (and former Mossad agent) Michael Harari ensured that Israel got a piece of Ollie North's action. As early as December 1983 the Israelis were using a Panamanian CIA front company, IFMA Management Company, to funnel support to the Contras. Harari himself would later boast of his friendship with Donald Gregg, George Bush's national security advisor. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/castillo.htm Michael Harari, a longtime top agent of Israeli foreign intelligence, the Mossad, who was a security adviser to Panamanian Defense Forces Gen. Manuel Noriega. As the Mossad station chief for Central and South America in the late 1970s and into the 1980s until the U.S. invasion of Panama, after which he returned to Israel, Harari coordinated the Mossad's gun-running and drug-trafficking operations in South America. http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/30/071.html An Israeli reputed to be Gen. Manuel Antonio Noriega's closest associate may have eluded capture on the night of the United States invasion because he was warned to flee nearly six hours before American troops swept into the capital, the deputy commander of Panama's new police force said today. 7he Noriega associate, Mike Harari, a former Israeli intelligence officer, was last seen at 7 p.m. on Dec. 19 leaving the home of General Noriega's wife, the commander, Eduardo Herrera Hassan, said. The invasion began shortly before I a.m. on Dec. 20. Mr. Harari, the commander said, was reportedly accompanied by two Israeli assistants who had come for him with a car. The location of Mr. Harari, who is said to have trained and equipped General Noriega's elite security forces, has been a mystery. http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0290/9002005.htm Norway solves riddle of Mossad killing According to the report, about nine others escaped from Norway, including the suspected leader, Michael Harari, a senior Mossad agent who has now retired. The commission said Norway did little to catch the suspects in the early 1970s. http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,193475,00.html EIR's investigation has determined that Alberto Prado Herreros is operating in close association with Harari to set up the covert weapons supply into Central Africa. Herreros, a longtime weapons- and drug-trafficker, has been part of the Harari network since the 1970s, and is often characterized as the Hispanic rendition of Harari; Herreros and Harari are, in fact, cousins. http://www.aboutsudan.com/dossiers/alberto_prado_herreros.htm AFFIDAVIT OF EDWARD P. CUTOLO snip The cargo flown from Colombia into Panama was cocaine. snip Thee second individual I recognized from the three photographs I received, was listed as Michael Harari. I was informed that Michael Harari is listed as a senior Mossad agent. Harari was the un
[CTRL] Bohemian Grove: Hell-Fire in a Forest
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.econcrisis.homestead.com/Bohemian_Grove_Hell_Fire.html - Bohemian Grove: Hell-Fire in a Forest The Bohemian Club was established in 1872 in San Francisco as an exclusive club of political and intellectual figures who wished to spend a certain amount of time each year relaxing and interacting in a non-business environment. They began camping on the site of the present Bohemian Grove, located 3 miles east of Monte Rio and 1 mile from the end of the Northwest Pacific Railroad Company, in 1891 but didn't officially acquire the land until 1901. The grove itself is a total of 2437 acres of uncut redwoods, including some that are 2000-3000 years old. The land is occupied by approximately 1500 men -- most of them political and business dignitaries -- for two weeks around Midsummer. The encampment is marked by rituals, talks and entertainment meant to revolve around the relaxation and friendship of the members, rather than their political and economic alliances. On the first Saturday of the camp, an elaborate ritual called the Cremation of Care is held just after dinner. It begins with the procession of a group of men, dressed in red pointed hoods and red robes, some of whom play a funeral dirge while others carry torches. These men also carry a rough, open coffin containing a body made of a black muslin-covered wooden skeleton. According to Domhoff [G. William Domhoff, author of The Bohemian Grove and Other Retreats], 'this is the body of Care, symbolizing the concerns and woes that important men supposedly must bear in their daily lives. It is Dull Care which must be cremated.' 'Begone, dull care. Midsummer sets us free!' (chant from the Bohemian Grove) [1] [Bohemian Grove, the virtual-reality version] Pike [Albert Pike, 'patron saint' of the Scottish Rite] was known in his adopted state of Arkansas as a practitioner of Satanism. His reported sexual proclivities included sitting astride a phallic throne in the woods, accompanied by a gang of prostitutes. He would bring to his revels one or more wagon-loads of liquor, most of which he would consume over a period of perhaps 48 hours, until he passed into a stupor. [2] John DeCamp's book, The Franklin Cover-Up, includes Paul Bonacci's testimony about a snuff film of a child being murdered on July 26, 1984 in California in 'an area that had big trees.' At a meeting in Santa Rosa, DeCamp told a group that he had edited out Bonacci's references to an enormous, moss-covered owl and men in hooded red robes because he not know then about the owl at the Grove and thought it 'too far fetched for people to believe.' In the fall of 1992, Paul Bonacci was shown a black and white photo of the moss-covered owl at the Grove and quickly identified it as the site of the July 1984 snuff film described in DeCamp's book. Although this testimony has been available to law enforcement officials since mid-October 1992, no official investigation has been made. [3] This isn't the typical Bohemian Grove expose which claims that the large summer gathering consists entirely of Establishment bigwigs, and that the Cremation of Care ceremony is an occult ritual. My position is that it's the equivalent of the outermost circle of a high-level satanic cult, intended to sift through those invited to attend, and draw the most potentially useful toward the center of the cult. One of the more prominent aspects of the gathering seems to be to puff up the egotism of the newcomers. The supposed exclusivity of the event is mentioned in almost every account I've read. Besides being in itself an appeal to luciferic tendencies (egotism/selfishness), it also tends to make them feel as if they're part of the Establishment, and thus transfer their loyalty away from mankind in general to the Establishment. The participation of high-profile lackeys and the speeches by others are apparently part of this strategy. Based on what I've seen about the speeches, they're just another variety of disinformation. The religious trappings of the Cremation of Care ritual have several purposes, although their main purpose seems to be to create the authorization for the participants to abandon themselves to their lower nature. The rest of the two weeks is then a matter of experimenting with various sensual delights, and progressively discarding one's inhibitions against debauchery and even depravity. The only women allowed are prostitutes, which tends to debase their attitude toward sex and undermine their marriages. It's classic Hell-Fire Club strategy. Who Goes There, Really? The typical expose of the Bohemian group claims that it consists entirely of high-rollers, but only a handful out of the approximately 1500 attendees are ever identified. In contrast, early sources indicate that it was created by members of what would become the media, for people with a potential to influence public opinion: FIRST EDITION. Signed and inscribed by artist members of the
[CTRL] Kissinger And Other Taliban Apologists Now Lead Drive For War Against Islam
www.larouchepub.com Kissinger And Other Taliban Apologists Now Lead Drive For War Against Islam by Jeffrey Steinberg and Michele Steinberg 11-13-1 Former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger's self-promotion as a leader in the war against terrorism is a case of a VERY BIG FRAUD. Speaking Oct. 31 before London's Mont Pelerin Society think-tank, the Centre for Policy Studies, self-professed British agent of influence Kissinger declared that only the complete destruction of the Taliban regime and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network could safeguard "world order." Heaping praise on the British government of Prime Minister Tony Blair for its unwavering support for the Anglo-American "special relationship," Kissinger said, "The war in Afghanistan must be seen as an attack on the most flagrant harborer of terrorists, [and] against the most symbolic representative of terrorism in the person of bin Laden." Kissinger stressed that "there cannot be an ambiguous outcome: that the Taliban government has to be eliminated; that the bin Laden network has to be unambiguously destroyed Because if the Taliban are still standing at some point in time they will become a symbol of the ability to resist the strongest nation and its allies It will have a very dangerous impact on everybody." Kissinger darkly warned those nations doing "as little as they want" against Afghanistan, such as Syria and Iran, that a point will come that "will oblige countries ... to choose between whether they wish to remain in the coalition or to engage in actions that support terrorism." Kissinger is also placing op-eds in newspapers throughout the United States, on the necessity to "shatter" the Taliban. The Dark Side Of The Moon - Executive Intelligence Review (EIR) is assembling the evidence that individuals,including Kissinger and Arnaud de Borchgrave,editor-at-large of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon-owned Washington Times and United Press International (UPI)--and another war enthusiast for the obliteration of bin Laden and the Taliban--were, only recently, leading apologists and supporters of the same Taliban. Evidence shows that connections from inside leading U.S. circles to bin Laden did not end with the Soviet Union's pullout from Afghanistan in 1989, and that promotion of the Taliban continued through the Summer of 2001! Other individuals involved will be identified in future issues of EIR. In Kissinger's case, he has been linked to an effort to keep Afghanistan and the Taliban rulers off the list of countries which are "state sponsors" of terrorism. According to a front-page story in the Nov. 5 Washington Post by Mary Pat Flaherty, David Ottaway, and James Grimaldi, "How Afghanistan Went Unlisted As Terrorist Sponsor," the former Secretary of State was a consultant to the American oil company, Unocal, to lobby the State Department against any sanctions against Afghanistan, in order to protect his client's plans to build a pipeline across the country to access Central Asian oil. The Post reported, "To secure critical financing from agencies such as the World Bank, [Unocal] needed the State Department to formally recognize the Taliban as Afghanistan's government. Unocal hired former State Department insiders: former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, former special U.S. Ambassador John J. Maresca, and Robert Oakley, a former U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan." Unocal's interest was unequivocally stated before the U.S. Congress on Feb. 12, 1998, when Maresca, then Unocal's vice president for international relations, testified before the House International Relations Committee, Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific, pushing Unocal's Afghan pipeline scheme, which aimed to cut Russia and Iran out of the lucrative Central Asian oil and natural gas market. Maresca noted that since an Iranian pipeline was out of the question because of "U.S. sanctions legislation," therefore "the only possible route option is across Afghanistan A route through Afghanistan appears to be the best option with the fewest technical obstacles." While he claimed that Unocal "does not favor any group" among the fighting Afghan factions, the company's lobbying efforts centered on getting U.S. government endorsement for the Taliban as the recognized government. Just a few months before Maresca's Congressional testimony, Unocal had brought a delegation of Taliban leaders to Washington, for meetings with members of Congress and the Clinton Administration. Maresca told Congress that "the construction of our proposed pipeline cannot occur until a recognized government is in place," implying that the United States had better hurry up and recognize the Taliban. The case of de Borchgrave is even more graphic. In June 2001, de Borchgrave was in Kandahar, Afghanistan, interviewing Mullah Mohammad Omar Akhund, the head of the Taliban. The interview, released by UPI on June 14, was full of praise for the Taliban leader, characterizing
[CTRL] http://www.intelligenceonline.com/
-Caveat Lector- http://www.intelligenceonline.com/ UPDATE... UPDATE... UPDATE... Tuesday, 13 November 2001 Iran and the U.S. Mending Fences (GRATUIT) My IOL MY ACCOUNTMY LINKS About us | Subscriptions | Personalize the site | Getting around | User feedback | Free services | Contacts NEWSLETTER Description Latest issue 9 years of archives Free issue SPECIAL REPORTS POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE Decision-makers Organizations Organized Crime Financial Crime Terrorism Diplomacy Cyberspace Arms Sales Proliferation TECHNOLOGY WATCH Computers Nanotechnologies Space UAVS Interception Patents BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE Intelligence Firms Lobby Firms Decision-makers Capitals N°416 01/11/01 - Electronic edition SPOTLIGHT Interest groups Thrive on Crisis 01/11/01 - All service suppliers havent suffered from the crisis springing from the Sept. 11 attacks. In the highly particular trade of lobbying on behalf of governments some U. (...). [Total : 583 words]. (5.5USD) DIPLOMACY US-Uzbek Relations a Six-Year Affair 01/11/01 - The current U.S. Army presence in Uzbekistan is the offspring of a relationship conducted over a number of years between Washington and Tashkent. (...). [Total : 345 words]. (3.25USD) TERRORISM Tehran and Washington Inch Closer Together 01/11/01 - The guardians of Irans revolution have taken an historic decision to dismantle most of their overseas networks. At the same time, the idea of forming an anti-terrorist partnership with Iran is gaining ground in the White House. (...). [Total : 557 words]. (3.25USD) ARMS SALES The Northern Alliances Shopping List (...). [Total : 318 words]. (3.25USD) UNITED STATES Ever-Closer Watch on Cyberspace (...). [Total : 240 words]. (3.25USD) WASHINGTON Government Work Suddenly Seems Attractive (...). [Total : 222 words]. (3.25USD) PARIS Bio-Ethics a Lobbying Battle Ground (...). [Total : 300 words]. (3.25USD) UNITED STATES Akin Gump Cos Strange Connections (...). [Total : 286 words]. (3.25USD) burson-europe's network for government lobbying New drive against dirty money The move to track down Osama Bin Laden's financial backers has lent fresh impetus to stamping out money-laundering NBC Terrorism, Myth or Reality? A complete survey to help understand the very real risks linked to nuclear, bacteriological, and chemical (NBC) terrorism. Focus on the Bin Laden network As terrorism strikes the United States, American intelligence specialists evoke the possible implication of Islamic networks close to biliionaire Osama Bin Laden. Five years of Intelligence Online's investigations covering Bin Laden ContactsFAQsPrivacy Edition française Site map A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Fwd: FC: USA PATRIOT opens CIA, NSA, intelligence databases to police
---BeginMessage--- I have already begun working on a story on this. This is the most frightening aspect of the USA Act. If I'm reading it correctly it would mean that all the illegal intelligence information, collected over years, by the CIA, NSA, FBI etc. - once turned over to law enforcement - would be admissible in court. There are provisions in the USA Act stating that evidence is admissible if the investigating officer wasn't a party to the act that would have prevented admissibility. I am researching further to verify this. If true, it means that there is no more Exclusionary Rule and that the Constitution does not exist as far as evidence goes. All that has to happen now is that the CIA and FBI Intell, etc. get the information by any means, turn it over to the locals and then have it all allowed as evidence. Mike Ruppert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Fwd: FC: USA PATRIOT opens CIA, NSA, intelligence databases to police Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/r9F0cB/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Ashcroft's speech on opening NSA, CIA databases to police
---BeginMessage--- Attorney General John Ashcroft spoke today to an Anti-Terrorism Coordinators Conference organized by the Executive Office for United States Attorneys (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/). An excerpt from Ashcroft's prepared remarks: Today I am issuing a second directive to provide training to federal, state and local law enforcement in the use of all available resources in the war on terrorism, including training on foreign intelligence, how to identify it and with whom to share it... In addition to these fundamental changes, I am establishing a National Law Enforcement Coordinating Committee on Counter-Terrorism. I obtained this transcript and the earlier Politech message from the Justice Department: USA PATRIOT opens CIA, NSA, intelligence databases to police http://www.politechbot.com/p-02787.html Also see: Three DOJ documents: Wiretapping, searches, computer seizures http://www.politechbot.com/p-02782.html -Declan --- Prepared Remarks of Attorney General John Ashcroft (NOTE: The Attorney General often deviates from Prepared Remarks) Anti-Terrorism Conference November 13, 2001 It is a pleasure to have this opportunity to address you today. I want to begin by doing something that doesn't get done often enough and that is to thank you for your hard work, particularly in these past weeks. I thank not just you but your families as well. Some of the greatest burdens of public service are bourne by the husbands, wives, children and parents we leave behind each day. Our family members too have sacrificed, and they, too are deserving of our thanks and gratitude. This has been a difficult time for our nation, a time that has dramatically tested the strength, spirit and resolve of all Americans. For two months America has been keenly aware of the new and continuing threat of terrorism. For two months we have endured the video-taped tauntings of Osama Bin Laden. For two months, Americans have had their lives disrupted. Law enforcement has had to work overtime. But throughout dozens of warnings, a deliberate campaign of terrorist disruption, and tighter security around potential targets, America has only grown stronger. Americans have made difficult adjustments, and so too have the men and women of justice and law enforcement. The attacks of September 11 have redefined the mission of the Department of Justice. Defending our nation and its citizens against terrorist attacks is now our first and overriding priority. We are engaged in an aggressive arrest and detention campaign of law breakers with a single objective: to get terrorists off the street before they can harm more Americans. We have modeled our tactics after a previous Justice Department, fighting a different threat to the nation. The Justice Department of Robert F. Kennedy, it was said, would arrest a mobster for spitting on the sidewalk if it would help in the fight against organized crime. In the war on terror, it is the policy of this Department of Justice to be equally aggressive in protecting Americans. We will arrest and detain any suspected terrorist who has violated the law. Our efforts, in all cases, will be conducted with full respect for the rights and freedoms of all Americans. But make no mistake: terrorists who are in violation of the law will be convicted, in some cases deported, and in all cases prevented from doing further harm to Americans. Last week I announced a sweeping wartime reorganization of the Department of Justice that places a high priority on cooperation and coordination between Washington and state and local prosecutors and law enforcement. Our plan calls for re-focusing on our core mission and responsibilities with the understanding that the Department will not be all things to all people. We cannot do everything we once did because lives now depend on us doing a few things very well. We will re-focus our resources on front-line positions. The war on terrorism will be fought not in Washington but in the field, by agents, prosecutors, investigators and analysts. Our long-term goal is to transfer 10 percent of current headquarters-based positions to the field offices where citizens are served and protected. Our new mission requires not just a new structure but a new approach to our jobs. In evaluating the merits of a prosecution, Assistant United States Attorneys must consider more than the scale of the case but the likelihood that the prosecution may disrupt and dismantle terrorist networks. In the changed world in which we now live, a seemingly routine prosecution of an immigration violation may be much more important than a million-dollar fraud case, because the immigration prosecution or minor identity theft case may remove a terrorist operative from our community. It is critical that we begin to view our responsibilities as justice officials in the
[CTRL] Fwd: [BIOWAR] Harpers Weekly Report
---BeginMessage--- Full Weekly Report well worth the reading: BioWar list connection (mid-article): Osama bin Laden told a Pakistani newspaper that he didn't know anything about the anthrax attacks in the United States. Federal agents, who now believe the anthrax to be the work of a lone domestic terrorist, still have not gotten around to locating all the labs in the United States where the bacteria can be legally handled, though they were busy cracking down on medical marijuana in California and assisted suicide in Oregon. The first clinical trial of marijuana released preliminary findings suggesting that pot is a wonder drug for people suffering from osteoporosis, cancer, AIDS, arthritis, spinal injuries, and some forms of mental illness. and more at: http://www.harpers.org/weekly-review/ PREPost to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info: www.topica.com/lists/biowar /PRE PRE==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: A HREF= http://topica.com/u/?bz8Q0W.bAgsdR http://topica.com/u/?bz8Q0W.bAgsdR/A Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! A HREF= http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register/A ==^/PRE ---End Message---
[CTRL] When Mammon Comes Marching in
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.alastairmcintosh.com/articles/2000_quarrylaw.htm Click Here: A HREF=http://www.alastairmcintosh.com/articles/2000_quarrylaw.htm; Corporations in British US Constitutions/A - When Mammon Comes Marching in Challenging the Claim of Corporate Human Rights In the press earlier this month Alastair McIntosh from North Lochs described the Lafarge Redland Aggregates lawsuit as blasphemous and idolatrous. In this essay, he explains why. Published in The Stornoway Gazette, 28 September 2000, p. 4. Click here for George Monbiot's Guardian column based on this essay. Click here for main superquarry index on this website. Click here for Lord Hardie's Court of Session ruling, and discussion It was 1989 and I was visiting Bougainville Island in the Solomon Sea. Id gone there as a director of the Pacific Regional Sustainable Forestry Programme. This trained village business groups to manage their forests sustainably, running their own small-scale, locally manufactured, portable sawmills. My role had been to get funds for training from organisations like Christian Aid and the British governments Overseas Development Administration. The programme spanned three newly independent nations - Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands and Vanuatu. Under joint French-British colonial rule, Vanuatu had previously been called the New Hebrides. The sustainable forestry programme helped communities to mill timber for their own needs. It built schools, hospitals, churches and homes. The cash flow of these projects, once people had been trained, was so positive that young men no longer had to seek work in the cities away from home. Whats more, pioneering European companies like B Q, the DIY superstore, took a genuine interest. They developed the idea of marketing ecotimber. So, next time you go into B Q, remember that their environmental policy owes something to the Hebrides on both sides of the world! In the South Pacific local communities nearly always own the land. This, as it happens, contributed some of the inspiration that went into my own involvement with the Isle of Eigg land reform campaign back here. But community land ownership alone was not enough to prevent multinational corporations seeking ways to corrupt, or to exploit trust and manipulate ignorance. If they could once get in to a place, theyd clearfell forests like the warm-up for Armageddon. The twenty volume 1989 Barnett Report by Supreme Court Justice Tos Barnett found that all 18 of the logging multinationals operating in Papua New Guinea were corrupt. Indeed, corruption was funding the perversion of democracy all the way up to deputy prime-ministerial level. Little wonder Tos Barnett was stabbed in an assassination attempt probably linked to his report. By helping village communities to manage their own forest resources, our programme reduced the temptation to sell out to overseas companies. Thats how I came to be on Bougainville. The programme was particularly well developed there, with over 100 village sawmills operational and world-class expertise being developed in sustainable management techniques that took out the mature trees but took care of the young ones coming up, leaving the forest relatively undisturbed. But in the course of 1989, literally while I was visiting, I saw the Bougainville programme completely collapse. Why? Because a civil war had started after years of mounting tension. The cause was the islands Rio Tinto controlled copper mine the largest in the world. Problems ranging from pollution to prostitution had spilled out over a much larger area than the islanders had originally anticipated. And to this day, Bougainville remains in a state of turmoil. Indeed, the islanders most recent move has been to fight the corporation in the American courts using an obscure piece of anti-piracy legislation, the Alien Tort Claims Act of 1789. So, why had things gone so badly wrong? Well, the copper mine dominated the economy. The island had become a company town. Basil Peutalo, a leading churchman from Bougainville summed up the situation in the following words to a 1989 gathering of the Melanesian, Indonesian and Australian Council of Churches. He said: Here is a people who fear that they are no longer in control of their destiny and land. They are losing control of the patrimony of their children. For thousands of years, our ancestors lived out their interconnectedness with the natural world. However, this view of nature and the relationship of the human person with it is challenged today by a spirit of utility which views the earth as property to be used. The huge amount of money that goes with such destructive activities has become an attractive wrapping around the negotiations with local peoples. There are, of course, both similarities and differences between Bougainville and Lingerbay. Roadstone does not cause the same toxic pollution that copper tailings create.
[CTRL] Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Glander, 337 U.S. 562 (1949)
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://lawbooksusa.com/cconlaw/wheelingsteelcorpvglander.htm;Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Glander RACE/A - Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Glander, 337 U.S. 562 (1949) Mr. Justice Douglas, dissenting. It has been implicit in all of our decisions since 1886 that a corporation is a person within the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Santa Clara County v. Southern Pac. R. Co., 118 U.S. 394, so held. The Court was cryptic in its decision. It was so sure of its ground that it wrote no opinion on the point, Chief Justice Waite announcing from the bench: The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of opinion that it does. There was no history, logic, or reason given to support that view. Nor was the result so obvious that exposition was unnecessary. The Fourteenth Amendment became a part of the Constitution in 1868. In 1871 a corporation claimed that Louisiana had imposed on it a tax that violated the Equal Protection Clause of the new Amendment. Mr. Justice Woods (then Circuit Judge) held that person as there used did not include a corporation and added, This construction of the section is strengthened by the history of the submission by congress, and the adoption by the states of the 14th amendment, so fresh in all minds as to need no rehearsal. Insurance Co. v. New Orleans, 1 Woods 85. What was obvious to Mr. Justice Woods in 1871 was still plain to the Court in 1873. Mr. Justice Miller in the Slaughter-House Cases, 16 Wall. 36, adverted to events almost too recent to be called history to show that the purpose of the Amendment was to protect human rights--primarily the rights of a race which had just won its freedom. And as respects the Equal Protection Clause he stated, The existence of laws in the States where the newly emancipated negroes resided, which discriminated with gross injustice and hardship against them as a class, was the evil to be remedied by this clause, and by it such laws are forbidden. Moreover what was clear to these earlier judges was apparently plain to the people who voted to make the Fourteenth Amendment a part of our Constitution. For as MR. JUSTICE BLACK pointed out in his dissent in Connecticut General Co. v. Johnson, the submission of the Amendment to the people was on the basis that it protected human beings. There was no suggestion in its submission that it was designed to put negroes and corporations into one class and so dilute the police power of the States over corporate affairs. Arthur Twining Hadley once wrote that The Fourteenth Amendment was framed to protect the negroes from oppression by the whites, not to protect corporations from oppression by the legislature. It is doubtful whether a single one of the members of Congress who voted for it had any idea that it would touch the question of corporate regulation at all.'' Both Mr. Justice Woods in Insurance Co. v. New Orleans, supra, and MR. JUSTICE BLACK in his dissent in Connecticut General Co. v. Johnson, supra, have shown how strained a construction it is of the Fourteenth Amendment so to hold. Section 1 of the Amendment provides: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. [Italics added.] Persons in the first sentence plainly includes only human beings, for corporations are not born or naturalized. Corporations are not citizens with the meaning of the first clause of the second sentence. Western Turf Assn. v. Creenberg, 204 U.S. 359, 363; SeIover, Bates Co. v. Walsh, 226 U.S. 102, 126. It has never been held that they are persons whom a State may not deprive of life within the meaning of the second clause of the second sentence. Liberty in that clause is the liberty of natural, not artificial, per- sons. Western Turf Assn. v. Greenberg, supra. But property as used in that clause has been held to include that of a corporation since 1889 when Minneapolis St. L. R. Co. v. Beekwith, 129 U.S. 26, was decided. It requires distortion to read person as meaning one thing, then another within the same clause and from clause to clause. It means, in my opinion, a substantial revision of the Fourteenth Amendment. As to the matter of construction, tile sense seems to me to be with Mr. Justice Woods in Insurance Co. v. New Orleans, supra, where he said, The plain and evident meaning of the section is, that the
[CTRL] The Rights of Living Persons
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Korten/Rights_Living_Persons_TPCW.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Korten/Rights_Living_Persons_TPCW.html The Rights of Living Persons excerpted from the /A - The Rights of Living Persons excerpted from the book The Post-Corporate World Life After Capitalism by David Korten Kumarian Press, 1999, paper p183 Thurman Arnold The idea that a corporation is endowed with the rights and prerogatives of a free individual is as essential to the acceptance of corporate rule in temporal affairs as was the ideal of the divine right of kings in an earlier day. Human rights secure our freedom to live fully and responsibly within life's community. We are finding, however, that as corporations have become increasingly successful in claiming these same rights for themselves, they have become increasingly assertive in denying them to living people. For example ... they use property rights as an instrument to deny the economically weak the most fundamental of all human rights-the right to live-by denying them the right of access to a means of living. The conflict between the person's right to a means of living and the presumed right of the corporation to the security of its property and profit is perhaps the ultimate confrontation between the natural rights of living people and the rights that the institutions of capitalism have presumed for themselves, but it is only one of many. Supported by legions of corporate lawyers and sympathetic judges, corporations have worked through the courts to acquire ever more of the rights and freedoms that living persons gained only through long and difficult political struggle. They have in turn used the rights so acquired to extend their control over the institutions of democracy and the material, communications, and knowledge resources on which people depend to secure their living. Now, in a further move to consolidate their power, the institutions of money are well on their way to declaring themselves owners of the whole of life through the systematic effort to expand the private patenting of genetic materials. There seems to be an ironclad relationship. The stronger the rights of corporations, the weaker the rights of persons to live fully and well with freedom, responsibility, and dignity. Thus, to restore human rights and dignity we must establish clearly the principle that human rights reside solely in living persons. From Property Rights to the Rights of Property In the American colonies the vote was reserved for the owners of real property-a mechanism widely favored by the landed aristocracy in the early days of democracy to confine political control to the presumably more diligent landed classes. In effect, that law connected political rights to property rather than to the person, an idea that to this day carries the seed of democracy's undoing. When a person's rights are recognized only in proportion to his or her property, it is as though rights reside in the property rather than in the person. We have since vested the vote in personhood rather than propertyhood and assumed that all is right with democracy. Meantime, in other spheres of political and economic life, the rights of property and the propertied have steadily expanded at the expense of the rights of the person. Of special significance was a decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to name the corporation, which is created by government and claimed by its shareholders as property, an honorary person entitled to the rights thereof. In the United States the natural rights of persons are enshrined in the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights. Indeed, the individual states approved the Constitution only once assurances were given that a Bill of Rights would be added through amendment. Each provision was thoroughly contested, publicly debated, and subject to ratification by all of the state legislatures. Since the time of ratification all other U.S. laws have been subject to the test of consistency with these constitutionally guaranteed human rights. The U.S. Constitution, however, does not use the term human rights. It speaks rather of the rights of persons, which most people would take to be the same thing. In 1886, however, in the case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that a private corporation is a person and entitled to the legal rights and protections the Constitution affords to any person. Because the Constitution makes no mention of corporations, it is a fairly clear case of the Court's taking it upon itself to rewrite the Constitution. Far more remarkable, however, is that the doctrine of corporate personhood, which subsequently became a cornerstone of corporate law, was introduced in this 1886 decision without argument. According to the official case record, Supreme Court Justice Morrison Remick Waite simply
[CTRL] A NEW NARRATIVE FOR CORPORATE LAW
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/lsf/nesteruk23.htm;NEW NARRATIVE FOR CORPORATE LAW/A - Legal Studies Forum Volume 23, Number 3 (1999) reprinted by permission Legal Studies Forum A NEW NARRATIVE FOR CORPORATE LAW JEFFREY NESTERUK* INTRODUCTION There is something intriguing about the way sciencewith its hegemonic claims to truthhas inspired such a rich genre of fiction. Intriguing because this fictive genre reminds us of the embedded character1 of sciences empirical claims. The facts of science only fully reveal themselves in the stories we tell about them. Science fictionfar from being the antithesis of science factcan, at its best, disclose what is most meaningful for us about scientific truths. Something analogous occurs within the law. The truth of a judicial opinion is indeterminate at the time of its writing, because it too has an embedded character. It is situated in a common law tradition with settled precedents and future interpretive possibilities. The meaning of a judicial opinion depends on the future stories lawyers and judges choose to tell about it as they interweave precedent and possibility. In both science and law, stories provide moral frameworks for the truths they reveal. It is from the is, from the story told a certain way, writes James Boyd White, that we get our most important oughts: our sense that a particular story is incomplete without a certain ending, which we can supply. 2 In this essay, I wish to explore a particular intermingling of a story of science and a story of law. I am aiming for what White would describe as an integrationa kind of composition, and that in a literal and literary sense: a putting together of two things to make out of them a third, a new whole, with a meaning of its own.3 Integrations of this kind are, to my mind, fundamental to the value of this special issue exploring Law, Literature, and Science Fiction. Bringing together law, literature, and science fiction should allow us to perceive both [281] an as yet unseen whole with new meanings in each of the wholes constitutive parts.4 The integration I have in mind will focus on the moral frameworks of two stories, and focus on them in a particular way: my interest is in how one story can reveal to us what the other story leaves out. All stories have this exclusionary feature (all languages are limited5) that gives rise to the most profound obligation of each of us in using his or her language...to try and recognize what it leaves out, to point to the silence that surrounds it.6 By looking at one story to see what another story leaves out, I hope to show how the moral framework of the former can be used to reframe the latter, exposing new normative possibilities. As a former corporate law attorney, I have an interest in what corporate law leaves out, in the silence that surrounds it. Such silence may be broken by bringing together the laws story of corporate personhood with its science fictional counterpart:7 the story of the android, Lieutenant Commander Data, from Star Trek: The Next Generation. Both the modern corporation and Data are cases of artifactual agencyactors created by artificial means. As such, their claims to personhoodthat is, to being moral agents with the same rights and duties as their human counterpartsare problematic. But the story science fiction tells of Datas claim to personhood is markedly different from the story the law tells about the corporation. Datas story reveals the silences in the narrative of corporate law, replacing them with dialogue. In revealing such silences, Datas story brings into view an alternative moral framework for the laws struggles with corporate personhood, a new ending, which we can supply. [282] THE NARRATIVE OF CORPORATE PERSONHOOD The narrative of corporate personhood springs, I have argued elsewhere, from the dichotomous character of the legal universe the corporation inhabits. 8 It is rooted in the basic opposition within our legal system between person and property. Elaborating on the dichotomous character of this context, I argue that: The distinction, roughly put, is one between that which acts and that which is acted upon. The essentially active nature of the person is evident from the laws conception of the person as the subject of rights and duties. Rights and duties, after all, imply an active subject, one who may exercise privileges and fulfill obligations. Similarly, the notion of property as an entity acted upon or essentially passive is also readily apparent. Central to the laws definition of property is its susceptibility to ownership. The traditional notion of ownership entails control. As a controlled entity,
[CTRL] Resolution to End Corporate Personhood
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.iiipublishing.com/afd/pa-resol.htm - Resolution to End Corporate Personhood in the City of Point Arena Today corporations have undue influence and power in the world and in our communities. Few people know that a key to this power is the corporate claim to personhood. To understand personhood we need to look at the history of the 14th Amendment. The one pervading purpose [of the 14th Amendment] was the freedom of the slave race, the security and firm establishment of that freedom, and the protection of the newly-made freeman and citizen from the oppression of those who had formerly exercised unlimited dominion over him. That is exactly what Justice Miller said in 1873 in one of the first Supreme Court opinions to rule on the 14th Amendment. How strange it is then that in 1886 a Supreme Court opinion would establish the principle that the 14th Amendment makes Corporations persons for purposes of Constitutional interpretation. The opinion gives no guidance to the reason for this principle. The question was not even argued since Chief Justice Waite announced at oral argument that The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does. This opinion has outraged some of the finest legal minds to serve on the Supreme Court. Later Justices Hugo Black and William O. Douglas both wrote opinions saying that this interpretation of corporations as persons should be reversed. I do not believe that the word 'person' in the Fourteenth Amendment includes corporations. -- Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black (1938) There was no history, logic, or reason given to support that view nor was the result so obvious that exposition was unnecessary. --William O. Douglas (1949) Not only is it ridiculous to consider corporations to be people, but it is wreaking havoc with our democratic process. A corporation is not a person. It is an artificial entity created by We the People and given our recognition through our duly elected State governments. We the People wrote the Constitution and declared in it people's natural rights. Corporations are given no rights under the U.S. Constitution and clearly the founding fathers did not intend for corporations to be considered people. Corporate control and tyranny were some of the complaints that sparked the revolution. Most of our original states started out as colonies ruled by corporations chartered by the English king. Not only did our early rebels understand that corporate rule amounted to martial law, they understood that corporations served to protect only an elite of propertied individuals. The struggle in the Colonies against corporate rule lasted over 100 years, up to the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Having declared that corporations possess the civil and political rights of persons, Supreme Court justices have bestowed free speech for lobbying and propaganda. And since these justices have declared money a form of speech [another questionable court decision] corporations can buy our elections and prevent the people from defining our elections. If we, the real people, deny them a permit to pollute, corporations have the authority to use our courts to reverse those decisions. In the early 1800s corporations were required to serve the public good. It was illegal for their object to be merely private or selfish. For-profit corporations now have the legal obligation to maximize profits for their shareholders and managers. Even if the individual directors or stockholders wanted to serve the public good, they could not. Our revolutionary ancestors issued corporate charters for a limited number of years, spelled out rules the corporations had to follow, and held business owners liable for harms and injuries. Corporations are now immortal and can grow forever virtually unchecked. They possess limited liability which enables the people who make and profit from decisions to avoid responsibility for their actions. Corporations also lobbied for and received tax benefits to lighten their social burden. Today, corporations enjoy privileges that real people do not. Corporations have become super people. Corporations have effectively become our governors. Today workers must check their personhood and natural rights at the gate as they enter corporate property. But the corporation remains a person and asserts its power wherever it goes. Corporate values have gradually replaced community values. As corporations strive for faster growth, more consumption, and greater efficiency, We the People lose the things we value: a clean environment, sustainable growth under local control, opportunities to build democracy and the family values of a living wage, universal health care and a good education for all.
[CTRL] [1] THE DEVELOPMENT OF A GENERAL RULE OF REASON TO DETERMINE THE VALIDITY OF LEGISLATIVE ACTS
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.constitution.org/haines/haines_007.htm Click Here: A HREF=http://www.constitution.org/haines/haines_007.htm; Haines: Revival of Natural Law Concepts: Chapte /A - CHAPTER VII THE DEVELOPMENT OF A GENERAL RULE OF REASON TO DETERMINE THE VALIDITY OF LEGISLATIVE ACTS TO GIVE due process of law a more effective scope as a criterion to measure the validity of new legislative projects, the justices who were exponents of conservative principles and laissez faire policies adopted the dicta of a few authorities on Magna Carta and of several state justices that this phrase was designed to prevent all governmental acts arbitrary in their nature and to preserve the fundamental principles of a free republican government. The application of a rule of reason or a rule of expediency as a primary standard to evaluate the propriety of legislation was accomplished by making due process of law an inhibition against arbitrary legislative or administrative acts, against any interference with the fundamental rights of the individual, and against social and economic legislation which was regarded unreasonable or discriminatory. 1. Arbitrary Legislative and Administrative Acts are Void. Locke is credited with suggesting the idea that exercising governmental powers in an arbitrary manner is unconstitutional.[1] The suggestion of this idea, however, may be traced to opinions rather common in ancient and mediaeval times. The claims that certain clauses of Magna Carta were intended to check all forms of arbitrary political authority,[2] had few supporters in England, as we have seen, but was repudiated by all parties prior to the time that the American colonies set up new governments. Early in the nineteenth century the belief had been expressed in the United States that the law of the land provision was intended to remove arbitrary power from every branch of the government.[3] One justice declared that the framers of the constitution never dreamed of permitting the exercise of arbitrary power in any department of government.[4] The suggestion that due process of law was intended to secure the individual from the arbitrary exercise of the powers of government[5] and that the security of a citizen against arbitrary legislation rested upon the broader and more solid ground of natural rights, and was not wholly dependent on those negatives upon the legislative power contained in the constitution,[6] gave an indication of possible future interpretations of due process of law. But there were few occasions to consider these comments or to apply them concretely[7] until a similar doctrine was adopted by the Supreme Court of the United States, and made a part of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Justices Bradley and Field were among the first to suggest the notion that the Fourteenth Amendment was intended to be an inhibition against arbitrary legislative and administrative acts.[8] They pleaded for an extensive application of the requirement of due process of law to all state acts, and suggested that if such acts were arbitrary, oppressive, and unjust, they might be declared not to be in accord with due process of law.[9] When judges insisted that under our institutions, arbitrary power over another's lawful pursuits is not vested in any man nor in any tribunal,[10] due process of law, applied in England only as a guard against executive usurpation, was destined to become in the United States a bulwark against arbitrary legislation.[11] This new standard for legislative acts was applied when it was determined that the validity of statutes was not to be tested in the federal courts unless they are clearly inconsistent with some power granted to the general government or with some right secured by that instrument or unless they are purely arbitrary in their nature.[12] The phrase equal protection of the laws, though not in the Fifth Amendment of the federal Constitution, and not, as a rule, in the state constitutions, had been interpreted as a requirement for legislative and executive acts by certain justices in state and federal courts prior to 1879.[13] It was used without any clear indication as to the purpose of the phrase in the draft of the Fourteenth Amendment which was finally adopted, and the courts were loath to apply its vague content to concrete cases until there was a determined effort on the part of certain justices to incorporate the natural rights philosophy and the doctrine of equality of the Declaration of Independence into the Fourteenth Amendment, in order to condemn acts which the judges regarded as arbitrary or unreasonable.[14] The movement to declare void acts judicially construed as arbitrary[15] found the equal protection clause a supplement to what would otherwise have been construed as a requirement of due process of law. That due process would ultimately have been interpreted as involving the equal protection principle is shown by the fact that statutes
[CTRL] [2] THE DEVELOPMENT OF A GENERAL RULE OF REASON TO DETERMINE THE VALIDITY OF LEGISLATIVE ACTS
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.constitution.org/haines/haines_007.htm; Haines: Revival of Natural Law Concepts: Chapte /A - 1. See F. W. Maitland, An Historical Sketch of Liberty and Equality in Collected Papers (ed. by H. A. L. Fisher, Cambridge, 1911), I, 80, 83. 2. Cf. Mott, Due Process of Law, chaps. 3 and 4. 3. For use of the terms arbitrary or unreasonable in passing on the validity of legislative acts in the United States, consult Robert P. Reeder, Is Unreasonable Legislation Unconstitutional; University of Pennsylvania Law Review, LXII (January, 1914), 191. 4. See comments of Attorney General Haywood in State v. 29, 30 (N. C., 1794) and of Justice Peck in State v. Cooper, 2 Yerg. (Tenn., 1831) 599, 611. The law of the land provision, Justice Nott thought, was intended in some way or other, to operate as a check upon the exercise of arbitrary power. Dunn v. City Council of Charleston, Harper's Law Reports. 189, 199 (1824). Chief Justice Gibson in Norman v. Heist, 5 W. S. (Pa., 1843) 171, 173 claimed that the design of the convention which framed the state constitution was to exclude arbitrary power from every branch of the government. The exercise of a governmental power which is arbitrary is void, according to Justice Campbell, dissenting in Sears v. Cottrell, 5 Mich. 251, 281 (1858). 5. Justice Johnson in Bank of Columbia v. Okely, 4 Wheat. 234, 244 (1819). This dictum of Justice Johnson was cited and approved by Justice Gray in Scott v. McNeal in denying to a state court the right to sell property for the payment of debts without notice to a party absent from the state for seven years. 154 U. S. 34, 45 (1893). 6. Justice Mason in White v. White, 5 Barb. 474, 484 (1849). 7. See, however, Chief Justice Hines in Barbour v. Louisville Board of Trade, 82 Ky. 645, 648 (1885). 8. The principal, if not the sole, purpose of its [the Fourteenth Amendment] prohibitions is to prevent any arbitrary invasion by state authority of the rights of persons and property. Justice Field, dissenting in Butchers' Union v. Crescent City Co., 111 U. S. 746, 759 (1883). 9. Justice Bradley, concurring in Davidson v. New Orleans, 96 U. S. 97, 107 (1877). 10. Justice Field in ex parte Wall., 107 U. S. 265, 303 (1882). And again, he asserted, the Fourteenth Amendment undoubtedly intended that there should be no arbitrary deprivation of life or liberty, or arbitrary spoliation of property, and that equal protection and security should be given to all under like circumstances in the enjoyment of their personal and civil rights. Barbier v. Connolly, 113 U. S. 27, 31 (1885). Cf. also Stuart v. Palmer, 74 N. Y. 183, 190 (1878), in which a New York justice regarded the due process clause as a limitation upon the arbitrary exercise of legislative powers. The legislature may not, under the guise of protecting the public interests, arbitrarily interfere with private business, or impose unusual and unnecessary restrictions upon lawful occupations. Justice Brown in Lawton v. Steele, 152 U. S. 133, 137 (1894). 11. Hurtado v. California, 110 U. S. 516, 532 (1884). Beginning with Davidson v. New Orleans, 96 U. S. 97 (1878), Mr. Willis asserts, Coke's doctrine of a fundamental law superior to all legislation was made a part of due process of law. Hugh Evander Willis, Due Process of Law under the United States Constitution, Univ. of Pa. Law Rev., LXXIV (February, 1926), 331, 335. For applications of the new interpretation see Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Ry. Co. v. Minnesota, 134 U. S. 418 (1890); Allgeyer v. Louisiana, 165 U. S. 578 (1897); and Lochner v. New York, 198 U. S. 45 (1905). 12. Justice Harlan in Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Ry. Co. v. Chicago, 166 U. S. 226, 234 (1896), and Chicago, Rock Island Pac. Ry. Co. v. Arkansas, 219 U. S. 453, 465 (1910). 13. Cf. Holden v. James, 11 Mass. 396, 405 (1814) and supra, p. 111. 14. Opinions of Justices Field in Barbier v. Connolly, 113 U. S. 27, 32 (1885), and Matthews in Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U. S. 356, 369, 370 (1886). Said Justice Matthews: When we consider the nature and the theory of our institutions of government, the principles upon which they are supposed to rest, and review the history of their development, we are constrained to conclude that they do not mean to leave room for the play and action of purely personal and arbitrary power. Chief Justice Fuller confirmed the rights of the states to deal with criminals within their borders provided no person or class of persons was denied equal and impartial justice and provided state procedure did not subject the individual to the arbitrary exercise of the powers of government unrestrained by the established principles of private right and distributive justice. Leeper v. Texas, 139 U. S. 462, 468 (1890). 15. The term arbitrary is vague enough in its connotations to give the widest latitude for a judicial censorship. It may mean acts not governed by any fixed rules, or which are capricious, unfair, absolute,
[CTRL] After the Sept. 11 Attacks
-Caveat Lector- Well sure, since it's after the Sept. 11 attacks ...shouldn't we all get one? They are so convenient. Can you think of any reasons NOT to get one? Nakano after the Sept. 11 attacks, smart cards are the ideal platform for a national ID card system. Sure, you've got a passport, a driver's license, and a pile of credit cards. But now, since the Sept. 11 attacks, corporate and government interests are pushing for everyone to carry a national ID smart card equipped with embedded digital chips. Americans already stuff their wallets with credit cards, driver's licenses, employee ID cards, and much more, so why not add a national identification card to the stack? Proponents, notably Sun CEO Scott McNealy, argue that after the Sept. 11 attacks, smart cards are the ideal platform for a national ID card system. Terror Attack Brings Renewed Emphasis On Security http://update.techweb.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eE5H0BhGS10H30TBi0AC The U.S. military's action could open up a new growth market as the world becomes obsessed with security after last month's hijack attacks. The U.S. military is spearheading a switch to smart identity cards. Reuters The Technology is Already Here: The technology and equipment are available today to produce a multi-layered, with imbedded chip(s), holograms of facial/eye/fingerprint features making the social security card a national ID card. This work was completed several years ago by a Virginia based company. GETTING 'SMART' ABOUT ID CARDS http://update.techweb.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eE5H0BhGS10H30Zym0AH Army Kicks Off New Secure Smart Card Era http://update.techweb.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eE5H0BhGS10H30ZMS0A6 Sun CEO Sees More Support For National ID http://update.techweb.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eE5H0BhGS10H30THc0AC Homeland Security Czar Sees IT As Key Enabler http://update.techweb.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eE5H0BhGS10H30S7X0Ah __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Think Twice ...
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: fair enough though as you know I'm not one who looks to some deity for the source of morals - but as the son of holocaust camp survivors, I do see that some wars are worth fighting - perhaps moral wasn't exactly the right word to use... but I can't quite come up with a better one at the moment Don't let the world get you down at this particular moment. It's still a barbaric place and there's nothing that people seem to like doing more than kicking a dog when it's down. Kelly A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kabul Falls
Kabul FallsFront Page Magazine As the run rose over the Hindu Kush mountains, Kabul residents could be heard shouting out congratulations, honking car horns and ringing bicycle bells. "We have taken Kabul!" cried a jubilant Northern Alliance fighter. Taliban forces fled Afghanistans capital city of Kabul last night. Having severely underestimated U.S. firepower and the determination of the Northern Alliance, Taliban forces suffered an appalling rout, with fleeing Taliban troops being cut down without mercy. DiVERSiONZ News, View, Issues AmusementsTo Hop On The Bushttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiversionzWeb Presence (Recent Highlights)http://www.geocities.com/peatluke/Diversionz.html
[CTRL] Spray-Painted Man Dies; Ruled Homicide
Spray-Painted Man Dies; Ruled HomicideTerry Pease, 45, was apparently disrobed and then spray-painted with orange, 'Halloween-type' washable hair coloring before collapsing dead.KnoxNews.com DiVERSiONZ News, View, Issues AmusementsTo Hop On The Bushttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiversionzWeb Presence (Recent Highlights)http://www.geocities.com/peatluke/Diversionz.html
[CTRL] Artist smashes pea record
Artist smashes pea recordThe peas must be eaten using a cocktail stickA Nottingham performance artist has broken the world record for eating peas in three minutes with a cocktail stick.http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1644000/1644410.stm DiVERSiONZ News, View, Issues AmusementsTo Hop On The Bushttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiversionzWeb Presence (Recent Highlights)http://www.geocities.com/peatluke/Diversionz.html
[CTRL] MIlking and bilking the people over 9-11
MIlking and bilking the people over 9-11 by Cal Thomas (11/13) Many are properly outraged that families of the victims of Sept. 11 are not getting the bulk of the money collected for them by the American Red Cross. DiVERSiONZ News, View, Issues AmusementsTo Hop On The Bushttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiversionzWeb Presence (Recent Highlights)http://www.geocities.com/peatluke/Diversionz.html
[CTRL] List Help, confirmation please of [Fwd: Vote No on 2020!]
Would someone please confirm the status of Senate Amendment 2020 to H.R. 3061? Thank You, Piper Creations http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/ ---BeginMessage--- Your Help is Still Needed Urgently! ALERT CONGRESS TO VOTE NO ON AMENDMENT 2020 Very well done to all of you who have been helping on the campaign to vote down mental health parity. Please continue! You can email on this issue every day, telling members to vote no on parity. I will have an update on the status of the amendment for you on Monday evening or Tuesday morning. Please write to members of Congress listed below, telling them to vote no on Senate Amendment 2020 to H.R. 3061 (this is the Senates amendment to House Resolution # 3061). Get others to do the same. This is amendment, if passed, would make it mandatory to cover psychiatric services on an equal basis as medical services in any health insurance policy. The members listed below are the leadership and committee members that will be voting on the amendment. Further data: On October 30, 2001 the U. S. Senate passed a parity amendment (No. 2020) by adding it to the spending bill for Labor, Human Services and Education. The legislation is virtually identical to S. 543 The Mental Health Equitable Treatment Act. It forces businesses that offer mental health insurance coverage to cover mental health equally in all ways with ordinary medical coverage. There is no limit on rising insurance premiums in this amendment, so no matter how much the mental health coverage increased costs, businesses could not refuse to pay it. This parity amendment forces coverage forall the "disorders" listed in The American Psychiatric Associations Diagnostic And Statistical Manual For Mental Disorders. The mental health parity amendment is Senate Amendment 2020 to H.R. 3061 - the House Labor, Health and Human Services and Eucation Appropriations bill. It passed the House, went to the Senate where it was amended and now the differences must be reconciled in the upcoming conference committee. We need to ensure that this parity amendment is voted out of the 2002 Labor, Human Services and Education spending bill while it is in the Conference Committee. A decision could be made on this at any time. So, send out your e-mails and make your calls right away and continue these daily until you know that the bill has been rejected. The following messages are recommended, (to be put in your own words): I am strongly opposed to any increase in mental health parity because: a) I dont want any increased costs for our businesses or employees because of mental health. I dont want to pay for more mental health coverage, mine or anyone elses. b) The government cant afford to pay for this amendment and yet they are trying to force businesses to cover it with 23 billion dollars in the next 5 years. In the wake of the terrorist attacks and continuing threats, businesses are wrestling with a slowing economy, falling stock markets and a soaring number of layoffs, this is not the time to be burdening businesses with increased mental health insurance costs. c)Some of us cant afford to pay for health insurance now; this amendment will only create more uninsured. d) I dont want to give the mental health industry a blank check to cover their so-called disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual like Caffeine Related Disorder, Mathematics Disorder and Disorder of Written Expression. There is no science or medical parity with these disorders. This will make premiums go up, as it has in the past, and health insurance is already too expensive. Call or email the Senators and Representatives listed below. Tell them to vote no on Amendment 2020 (mental health parity) List of House and Senate leadership to email or call: *House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert - [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Illinois - 603-406-1114 Fax (630) 406-1808 House Majority Leader Dick Armey - [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Texas 972-556-2500 Tom Delay - [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Texas 281-240-3700 Fax 281-240-2959 Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott - [EMAIL PROTECTED] in DC 202-224-6253 Appropriations Committee members and Sub-Committee members who also need to get your email: Senate: *Robert Byrd (D-WV), Chairman ofSenate Appropriations, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arlen Specter (R-PA) Ranking member, 202-224-4254 in Pennsylvania at 215-597-7200 Tom Harkin, (D-IA) Sub-Committee Chairman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thad Cochran (R-MS) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Larry Craig (R-ID) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] MikeDeWine (R-OH) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judd Gregg (R-NH) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ernest Hollings (D-SC) - 202-225-6121 or in south Carolina at 803-765-5731 KayBailey Hutchison (R-TX) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel Inouye (D-HI) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Herb Kohl (D-WI) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Landrieu (D-LA) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patty Murray (D-WA) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harry Reid (D-NV)
[CTRL] Gold in Kabul
-Caveat Lector- No mention of this since Kabul was taken ... - jt === http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_442323.html Fears over 2,100-year-old Kabul treasure Art experts fear a sealed vault will not save a 2,100-year-old hoard of gold which is buried underneath a Kabul palace. As the US continues its bombardment of Afghanistan, experts fear the treasures will be destroyed or melted down by the Taliban. They want the UN to rescue the gold antiquities before it is too late. Christian Manhart, a specialist in Asian cultural heritage at Unesco, said: We are very concerned the Taliban will get in. They have tried to break through the enforced concrete walls, so far without success. Known as the Treasure of Bactria, the hoard contains over 20,000 gold statues, necklaces and ornaments set with precious stones, reports The Times. Mr Manhart says the treasure was last seen by a group of international archaeologists in 1993 when the safe was opened to dispel rumours that the Afghans had sold it. It was excavated in 1978, when the county's former Communist ruler President Najibullah sealed it in seven trunks and hid it in a vault carved out of rock, protected by a steel door, bolted shut by seven locks with keys held by seven different people. Story filed: 08:56 Tuesday 6th November 2001 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Afghanicide
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14 November 2001 05:55 GMT
Independent
No surprise at rumours of new atrocities by our 'foot-soldiers'
War on terrorism
By Robert Fisk
13 November 2001
The Northern Alliance's sudden victories in Afghanistan may be good
news for the West but the bad news is not far behind. The Uzbek,
Tadjik and Hazara gunmen who make up this rag-tag army have a bloody
reputation for torturing and executing prisoners which if resumed
in the coming days will plunge America and Britain into a moral
abyss.
Chilling stories of more than 100 pro-Taliban Pakistani fighters shot
dead after their surrender in Mazar-i-Sharif and of Alliance gunmen
roaming the streets'' of the abandoned city will not come as a
surprise to those who are aware of the atrocities committed by
America's new allies during the 1992-96 fighting in Kabul.
For the Americans and for the minuscule British component of the
West's military forces inside Afghanistan the behaviour of the
Northern Alliance presents a grave problem. As our foot-soldiers
are in Afghanistan, we
cannot disclaim responsibility for human rights abuses by the Alliance's gunmen; yet
neither the Americans nor the British appear to have tried to control the army they
are now helping. Indeed, it seems they may not even
be able to prevent the Alliance from entering Kabul.
The massacres committed by malicious fighting in the name of outside powers have
regularly brought shame upon their more powerful allies. The Contras in Nicaragua and
the Phalangist militiamen in Lebanon contaminated thei
r respective American and Israeli masters the latter in the notorious Palestinian
camp massacres of Sabra and Chatila in 1982. A glance at the Alliance's track record
of rape, pillage and street executions in Kabul betw
een 1992 and 1996 suggests that the so-called Allies America, Britain and just about
anyone else who wants to join in have good reason to exert their influence over the
newly victorious militiamen from the north of Af
ghanistan.
In Mazar-i-Sharif and Herat there are comparatively few Pashtun communities, which
traditionally favour the Taliban.
A bit further south the Alliance will find itself among its ethnic enemies. In 1997,
Mazar's Hazara defenders killed more than 600 Taliban militiamen who had taken over
the city and then massacred dozens of Pakistani stud
ents who had accompanied the Taliban into the region. In later bloodbaths, thousands
of Taliban prisoners were shot into mass graves, with dozens more Pakistanis. A
Northern Alliance turncoat, General Pahlawan Malik, subs
equently executed 2,000 Taliban prisoners of war who had been tortured and starved
before being put to death.
Many were drowned in wells. Others met a more carefully planned
death. One of General Malik's generals recalled: At night when it
was quiet and dark we took about 150 Taliban prisoners, blindfolded
them, tied their hands behind their backs and drove them in truck
containers out to the desert. We lined them up 10 at a time, in front
of holes in the ground, and opened fire. It took about six nights.''
On other occasions Taliban prisoners were locked inside containers in
mid-summer; 1,250 were deliberately asphyxiated in this way, their
corpses dragged from the containers, blackened by the heat.
Could it happen again? There is no reason to believe the Alliance has
been taking lessons in human rights. It has been receiving ammunition
from Russia and logistics from the United States. Photographs in
yesterday's Pakistani papers showed Alliance gunmen leading a small
party of Western troops through the terrain of northern Afghan-istan.
But our soldiers are highly unlikely to have been distributing copies
of the Geneva Convention to their new friends.
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Re: [CTRL] fwd: ALERT - JOHN QUINN HAS DISAPPEARED
-Caveat Lector- Subj:[the_octopus] ALERT - JOHN QUINN HAS DISAPPEARED - missing 36 hours Date: 11/13/01 6:47:31 PM Central Standard Time Bob Anderson is John's writing partner at Newshawk Forwarded From: R Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** TOP_VIEW ** The Big Picture - from NewsHawk Inc. Forward as far and wide as possible 11.13.01 ALERT - JOHN QUINN DISSAPPEARED John Quinn has been missing for over 36 hours. There are reports that local residents and neighbors had been questioned about Quinn by federal marshals who said they were working for the Northwest regional Homeland Security outfit. We are concerned about Quinn's whereabouts and well-being and there are disturbing thoughts that he's been illegally detained or worse by Gestapo thugs of Homeland Security. TOP_VIEW has NEVER endorsed violence or terrorism of ANY kind and NEVER will. If Feds have taken action against Quinn, they will go down to a MASSIVE legal defeat for their efforts. As of now, we have no information from Quinn since Sunday evening and concerns are growing. HomeLand Security is definitely a suspect. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] fwd: TOP_VIEW strongly urged to back off by ally
-Caveat Lector- Subj:[the_octopus] TOP_VIEW strongly urged to back off by ally Date: 11/13/01 7:14:03 PM Central Standard Time I hope he tells us if John Quinn is OK. N Forwarded From: R Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** TOP_VIEW ** The Big Picture - from NewsHawk Inc. Forward as far and wide as possible 11.13.01 TOP_VIEW strongly urged to back off by ally ** NY crash definitely genuine foreign sabotage/terrorism: thus officially denied as no agendas furthered We've been notified by a close, friendly associate that it's in our best interests in personal terms to back way off on our efforts to shed light on the truth underlying such events as the current war in Afghanistan and the bombing of the World Trade Center. This advice was relayed in person and was meant only in a benevolent way. We were also advised, for those who even care, that the American Airlines crash in Queens (mere blocks from where I [Bob Anderson] grew up -- [HEY! Maybe Feds were trying to nail me... sorry guys, I've moved...]) was DEFINITELY an act of genuine sabotage/terrorism: by which he meant that it was NOT any kind of staged, contrived, scripted event; set in motion by global governance forces such as the BushMobsters, as the events of September 11 clearly were. Because of this AND for other more benign reasons, the FedGov is spinning the latest New York air disaster as a mechanical failure, as it was NOT an incident of staged terrorism, carried out by New World Order agents of some kind to further certain specific agendas. ALSO, they do NOT wish the public to be further spooked about air travel OR about ongoing terrorist attacks. The funny thing is, though, that the Feds just spent the past two weeks WARNING that another terrorist attack of some kind WAS imminent, and New York City was CLEARLY mentioned as a target area in information TOP_VIEW and many others were made aware of. Other unofficial sources had predicted an attack of some kind on November 11. They were only one day off. So... Regardless of all this, for personal reasons and on good advice, TOP_VIEW is temporarily going off the air, as the U.S. buckles down under martial law at home and another murderous imperialist war abroad. One last note: on the same day Bill Cooper was shot dead, Michigan Militia leaders were arrested, along with alternative radio bigwig Tom Valentine. Furthermore, Art Bell, who's publicly voiced some suspicions about 9.11, was beaten so badly recently he's in a wheelchair. We're outa here. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Accidents Don't Happen
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/nov/13/aras111301.htm }}}Begin American Airlines Flight 587's Crash was NOT an Accident. Angel Shamaya 11.13.01 With all the mediawhores and government mouths telling us that American Airlines flight 587's crash (November 12, 2001) was an accident, one need only look at the known facts -- overlaid with the Law of Probability -- to know that they are lying. Consider the following known facts: 1) The airplane that went down was an American Airlines jet. American Airlines was used against America on 9/11. It bears the name of our nation, making it, once again, a juicy target for those who hate our country. (The airlines used on 9/11 were American and United -- the latter likely chosen to prove that were are not united.) 2) The airplane went down on Veteran's Day, a slap in the face of all Vets -- including those who are painting the Afghanistan desert floor with Taliban blood. 3) The airplane went down during the UN General Assembly meetings between a host of international dignitaries, in the same city where the meetings were taking place, as meetings were underway, in the same city where the largest attacks of 9/11 took place. The likely message received by the leaders of countless nations of the world: America is losing it. 4) The engine separated from the plane, as did at least one major section of the airfoil structures (tail fin, shown recovered from the waters off of New York, CNN, not long after the crash). Reports from multiple pilots -- including one who witnessed the crash and the engine's separation from the plane -- say they have NEVER known of mere engine failure to make engines and tail fins fly off of airplanes -- in this or any other modern aircraft of its type. 5) The federal government is on record as saying the crash was an accident -- some sort of engine failure -- long before they had the voice recorder or the flight data recorder (black box, which as of this writing they claim not to have yet recovered) in their possession -- curious and suspicious to a very high degree as it's highly unscientific and unprofessional. This even though they have shown no records of previous airplane crashes showing such unusual separation of parts prior to accidental (mechanical failure) crashes of the same or similar planes as was seen in this accident. Instead, they specifically, clearly and IMMEDIATELY released statements that break with investigatory patterns involving conclusive statements pointing to causes of crashes. QUESTION: What are the chances of all of the above known factors coming into play at the same time? ANSWER: So remote as to reside -- on the Scale of Probabilities -- somewhere between: A) gross statistical impossibility B) utterly impossible and pointing to a clear, unmistakable cover- up. Pick one. I say it's B, for the following primary reasons: 1) The government and the airlines industry was, even as the flames were still burning after the crash of AA597, urging the American people to book flights for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Their fears of travel downturns are being realized, and the economic impact of said downturn is being felt painfully throughout the industry and thus the nation. Another terrorist attack just prior to one of the two largest travel weeks in the year could literally put a couple of the airlines out of business for good and have untold negative economic consequences, none of which looks good for our depressed economy. They want you to keep propping up the American Empire with your federal reserve notes -- backed ONLY by your belief in them -- before they are no longer worth anything. 2) The federal government has been exhibiting -- forever -- a lack of trust and faith in the ability of the American people to handle the truth. They don't think you are mature enough to handle the truth. Your great- and great-great- and great-great-great-grandparents couldn't handle the truth about massacres of native American indians, so they painted the genocides as righteous events. Et cetera, throughout our history, right up to Waco where We The People couldn't handle the truth that a host of FBI and BATF agents were cold blooded murderers of innocent American women and children, so anything but the truth was made known even though what we were told was way beyond preposterous. Your government doesn't trust you, believe in you, have faith in you, respect you or your judgement and certainly doesn't believe you can deal with the fact that the latest flying bomb was downed intentionally. But they want you to keep your head in the sand and fly another potential flying bomb in hopes you get to and from your holiday destinations alive. Those who don't, mark my words, will be declared the victims of another accident. Either that or a Thanksgiving Airline Disaster would be used to justify giving some federal agency another $40 billion to protect you. Or both. If your government doesn't trust you, isn't honest with you,
[CTRL] Operation Eternal Vigilance
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman102.html }}}Begin Eternal Vigilance and The Duty to Dissent by David Dieteman More than a few conservative commentators have called for dissenting voices to be silenced in the wake of September 11. Although commentators pretend to be interested in finding out the reasons for the attacks, they are only interested in the kind of answers they want to hear, i.e., that Muslims and Arabs are evil and must be killed, and that the United States government has never, and can never ever, do any wrong. In the face of explicit calls for dissenters to be silenced, it is manifestly clear that the dissenters must not be silenced. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. If a mere rational disagreement can no longer be tolerated by the ruling classes, then American freedom is truly dead and buried. In The Politics of War, Walter Karp describes the oppression which comes with war. Karp, however, describes events of oppression which are unknown to many Americans, specifically, the oppression engineered by Woodrow Wilson, the allegedly great leader, during World War One, you know, the Great War. As Karp writes, Nothing was to be said or read in America that Wilson himself might find disagreeable...Americans rotted in prison for advocating heavier taxation rather than the issuance of war bonds, for stating that conscription was unconstitutional, for saying that sinking armed merchantmen had not been illegal, for criticizing the Red Cross and the YMCA. (pp 325; 326) Now there's a role model for today's neo-conservatives: the arch-fiend, er, progressive, Woodrow Wilson. How dare anyone have a different opinion. And you dare to complain about how the Red Cross board wishes to spend the money donated to the victims of September 11. Best watch yourself, you may be heading for the slammer if the neo- cons get their way. Karp adds that a woman who wrote to the newspaper that I am for the people and the government is for the profiteers received a 10-year prison sentence. (p 326) Federal agents went so far as to seize a motion picture, The Spirit of 76, because the portrayal of the American Revolution had cast British redcoats in an unfavorable light. (p 327). Like the woman who wrote to the newspaper, the film producer received 10 years in prison. Mel Gibson may face life in prison for The Patriot, if the Thought Police have their way. Without a doubt, the pandering neo-con sycophants for the total state share the same goals of Wilson: total and permanent victory in the war of ideas. Karp again: Wilson and the war party were determined to corrupt the entire body of the American people, to root out the old habits of freedom and to teach it new habits of obedience. (p 329) Wilson's party line is the same line we hear today: Dissent is disloyalty, disloyalty a crime; loyalty is servility, and servility is true patriotism. The effects on American political life were devastating, if one cares at all for liberty. The official repression drove millions of independent-minded Americans deep into private life and political solitude. Isolated, they nursed in private their bitterness and contempt. (Karp, p 329) As a matter of human nature, it was the path of least resistance to give in to the state and to turn against former friends. And yet Americans wonder how it is that Hitler and the Nazis came to dominate politics in Germany. And so, dear conformist neo-cons, I have a message for you: free Americans have no obligation to conform themselves to your opinions. As Karp notes, the logic of Wilson and the neo-cons is the perennial logic of every tyranny that ever was. Not on my watch. Don't tell me they left this out of your history books in grade school, high school and college? America good, everywhere and always? I am sorry genuinely sorry to report that such is not the case. Better to know the truth than to believe in myths. Such horrors, of course, do not need to continue in power for another 83 years. It is high time for Wilson's undeserved reputation to be stripped from him. Similarly, it is high time for Americans to cease living in fear, as they did under Wilson (who, by the way, fired all blacks in federal employment shortly after taking office; you hadn't heard that either? It's as if history is censored, isn't it?). Let me put it this way: Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, and George Washington would not have tolerated this nonsense. Americans should not tolerate calls to silence. The days of political isolation need not outlive the Internet. If you are against the war, and against the imprudent and unconstitutional expansion of government power at home, speak out. Dont be afraid to tell your neighbors, your family, or your friends. Write to you jelly-spined representatives and let them know as well. But most importantly most
[CTRL] War is a godsend for oil interests.....
-Caveat Lector- http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_01/droke111401.html It's all about the oil The so-called War on Terrorism has so far none nothing to alleviate the constant threat of international and domestic terrorism, but has always been about the geo-politics and logistics of the oil economy. At the forefront of this oil-base war against Afghanistan are the major international petroleum companies, most notably ExxonMobil and Unocal, and the Commander-in-Chief himself, Mr. George W. Bush. Recent documents unearthed by our research staff provide irrefutable proof that the war against Afghanistan had been planned as early as three years ago and that even without the World Trade Center/Pentagon bombings the attack would have been carried out anyway. It is abundantly clear that Afghanistan is to be a central route through which Central Asian oil is to be pumped to Asian markets by U.S. oil interests. Ever since the fall of the former Soviet Union ten years ago, ExxonMobil, Chevron, Unocal and the other big oil monopolies have been scheming to get their hands on the vast oil and gas wealth around the Caspian Sea, just north of Afghanistan. This region's oil reserves may reach more than 60 billion barrels - enough to service Europe's oil needs for 11 years. Some estimates are as high as 200 billion barrels. The Caspian Sea reserves are 10 percent of the world's known supply - worth about $5 trillion at today's prices. Having a government in Afghanistan that is beholden to U.S. interests, along with stationing U.S. troops in the former Soviet Republics of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan, would secure the region and allow this project to proceed. And just in time, as far as the U.S. oil companies are concerned, because there is international competition for the Caspian Sea oil resources. In his testimony before the U.S. House Committee on International Relations on Feb. 12, 1998, John J. Maresca, vice president, international relations of Unocal Corp., emphasized the need that Unocal and other oil concerns have for multiple pipeline routes for Central Asian oil and gas. He also expressed the need for U.S. support for international and regional efforts to achieve balanced and lasting political settlements within Russia, other newly independent states and in Afghanistan, as well as the need for structured assistance to encourage economic reforms and the development of appropriate investment climates in the region. By appropriate investment climates, he means putting the existing political infrastructure in Afghanistan in its place through brute force of U.S. military might - so that oil will be able to flow freely through the region. Mr. Maresca pointed out that the Taliban and other governmental structures in the region make the Unocal's dream of building a central pipeline through Afghanistan virtually impossible. He strongly hints that Congress should authorize the U.S. military to do something about this problem. Keep in mind that his testimony was made when Bill Clinton was in office. Clinton was embroiled in his own share of political and personal scandals at the time and the last thing his administration needed was yet another black eye in the form of a phony war against Afghanistan. This is why an obscure governor from Texas named George W. Bush, whose family are billionaires in the oil business, was tabbed to be the next U.S. president. It is also why a Mr. Dick Cheny was singled out for the post of vice president since he has vast experience as an engineer working with international oil development. To achieve the coveted access to these oil-thirsty Asian markets, Mr. Maresca proposes building a Silk Road through Afghanistan through the force of military arms while acknowledging that such a task is far from simple. The risks are high, but so are the rewards, he states. Indeed. Tellingly, Mr. Maresca told Congress in his 1998 address, One obvious potential route south would be across Iran. However, this option is foreclosed for American companies because of U.S. sanctions legislation. The only other possible route option is across Afghanistan, which has its own unique challenges. The country has been involved in bitter warfare for almost two decades. The territory across which the pipeline would extend is controlled by the Taliban, an Islamic movement that is not recognized as a government by most other nations. From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of our proposed pipeline cannot begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders and our company. In spite of this, a route through Afghanistan appears to be the best option with the fewest technical obstacles. It is the shortest route to the sea and has relatively favorable terrain for a pipeline. The route through Afghanistan is the one that would bring Central Asian oil closest to Asian markets and thus would be the cheapest in terms of transporting the oil. He
