[CTRL] 9-11 EVIDENCE KIT - The Truth About Sept 11--J2
-Caveat Lector- At 11:57 AM 6/14/03 -0400, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- 9-11 EVIDENCE KIT - The Truth About Sept 11 -Original Message- From: Gerard Holmgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 June 2003 13:12 To: Undisclosed Recipients Subject: evidence kit (The Web pages below have been backed up. If any links are dead, the backed up page can be mailed on request.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE TRUTH ABOUT SEPT 11 Last updated June 14 2003 --- Section 1: Airforce stand-down 1:1 It has become popular mythology in the media that fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the hijacked planes. This is completely untrue as the following research shows. Guilty For 9-11: Bush, Rumsfeld, Myers, by Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel, 14 Nov 2001 http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm 1:2 Mr. Cheney's Cover Story -- Section 2 of Guilty For 9-11, 20 Nov 2001 http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm 1:3 9-ll: Nothing Urgent, by George Szamuely, Research documentation by Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel, Jan 2002 http://emperor.vwh.net/indict/urgent.htm 1:4 Planes did scramble on 9/11, they just arrived late http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/faq.htm 1:5 Scrambled Messages, by George Szamuely, 12 Dec 2001 http://www.nypress.com/14/50/taki/bunker.cfm 1:6 Air National Guard Mission and Vision statements http://nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/ang-mission.htm 1:7 Russian Air Force chief says official 9/11 story impossible http://emperors-clothes.com/news/airf.htm Scrambling of fighter jets to intercept stray aircraft is a routine procedure. Here's an example of how routine it is. 6/16/03 Careful guys. Almost all of this stuff regarding the Air Force stand down IS WRONG! We have recently completed our research on 9/11 and these allegations are simply based on wrong information. There was almost certainly NO STAND DOWN. There were no fictitious hijackers. They were real. There was foreknowledge enough to speculate on. I interviewed people from Andrews AFB just after 9/11, and some months later. The reasons for not scrambling fighters is more mundane than stand down orders BUT MUCH MORE SERIOUS FOR US. We are producing a multimedia CD with the very best info to date and some real analysis rater than conspiratorial mumbo jumbo. The real answers will not come as a surprise to many of you, but the bullshit will be explained away. FTW is wrong about the stand down. Emporer's Clothes is wrong about the stand down. I warned each of them early on that they were jumping the gun but they committed to this theory. This has lost them credibility and sent them off on wild goose chases. This is not a put down of either of them. Their other work on 9/11 is valuable. But they should not have committed to speculation so early. Stay tuned. NUREV 1.13 Jet Sent to probe Fla. Gov. Plane. Netscape news. May 15 2003. http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story.jsp?floc=NW_2-Toldflok=FF-APO-11 10idq=/ff/story/0001/20030515/001648315.htmsc=1110floc=NW_2-T The procedures were already in place before Sept 11 2001. It happened 67 times in the 10 months between September 2000 and June 2001. 1.8 Use of military jets jumps since 9/11. Associated Press Aug 13 2002. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/2002/ap081302.html 1.9 CBS News. Scrambling to prevent another 9/11 Aug 14 2002 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/14/attack/main518632.shtml 1.10 Preventing another 9/11 Military.com http://www.military.com/NewsContent/1,13319,FL_jet_081502,00.html 1.11 ABC News Jets on high Alert. Aug 13 2002. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/homefront020813.html 1.12 Military now notified immediately of unusual air traffic events. Fox news Aug 12 2002 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60245,00.html#top So on Sept 11, 2001 - Why were no fighter jets scrambled, and why has a cover up story been concocted? In the unlikely event that the airforce failed through incompetence, ( not once but 4 times! ) where is the major inquiry? I have seen bigger inquiries into car crashes at race tracks. --- Section 2: Complicit behaviour of G.W.Bush It has become common mythology in the media that George W. Bush was at Booker Elementary School when he learned of the first WTC crash. This is a lie. Why is Bush lying about where he was, and what he knew? 2:1 Guilty for 9-11 Section 3: Bush in the open by Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel. http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-3.htm This is not the only lie Bush has told about his movements that morning. See how many times he has changed his story. 2:2 Sept 11 attacks- evidence of US collusion by Steve Grey. http://austin.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2342group=webcast (Read the section called A tangle of lies) 2.3 Bush gets tangled in his lies Part 1. A strange press conference. By Jared israel and Francisco Gil-White Sept 25 2002.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Shuttle Disaster: The Hand of God?
-Caveat Lector- At 09:25 PM 2/3/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/3/2003 8:23:51 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kudos to the fallen adventurers; and kudos to the remaining visionaries and pioneers in America and the world over who diligently work for the progress of humanity to deliver us from the primitive hate-pits of hairy simians like Hoffman. Screw you Dave. Bill. Poor Bill Shannon. No one likes or appreciates his misunderstood racist shmuck guru Hoffman. Because you are such an admirable fellow Bill, I want to let you know that I L_O_V_E Hoffman. You and Hoffman, and the other racist shitheads are the wind beneath our wings. It's guys like YOU who keep Israel alive and vital. Once again, thanks. Speaking for all the Jews in the world, and especially for the Elders of Zion who ( as you well know,) control it, we appreciate your hatred. Keep up the good work. Joshua2 [ Whose uncle Hymie sits on the Supreme Council to Encourage Christian Racists - E of Z.] A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jews Burning Israeli Flag...
-Caveat Lector- At 07:10 PM 2/4/03 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Looks like many Jews outside Israel are not too happy with Israeli Zionism Wrong. Don't make the mistake of taking anti-Zionist propaganda seriously. They would like to show that Israel is SO terrible that ii is even driving away Jews. This is bullshit. SOME Jews are not too happy, but they are not many. As a matter of fact, there has been a re-affirming of support for Israel among American Jews which has not been seen since the Six Day War. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls
-Caveat Lector- At 08:30 AM 1/29/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:10:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many Palestinians have said that they fear a worsening of the Middle East crisis during a second term in power for Mr Sharon. You have Sharon in a new government, a war against Iraq imminent, the disappearance of the peace process: all these factors, said Palestinian cabinet minister Saeb Erekat. Well not so much a worsening as an elimination. I foresee that since all Israeli have been vaccinated against smallpox (and not with that killer thing we're getting here; they've developed a decent vaccine for Israeli use), and as soon as the war with Iraq gets going, there will be a sudden bio attack of smallpox on Israel which will of course be blamed on Saddam. It will not sicken the Israeli, but the the unvaccinated Palestinians will die off, and Israel's major problem will be solved. I guess it's a modern enactment of that old saw, killing two birds with one stone. Ah well. Prudy Do you even realize what you just did you silly old cow? You just recreated the old blood libel of the Jews poisoning the well. The Jews causing the black plague. If you want to know why we support Israel, YOU and people like you are the reason. We know that not much really changes with you people. Fortunately, Israel can and will do whatever it needs to do to exist. If you don't like it, tough shit. Joshua2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls
-Caveat Lector- At 05:27 PM 1/29/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:55:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW anything that Jewwish citizens get in Israel, the Muslim citizens will also get Well they didn't get the gas masks, but maybe they are getting smallpox vaccinations. I heard the business of the vaccine on television. I wish I could remember just which. It might have been C-SPAN. I remember being quite envious that Israel had come up with a good vaccine that didn't have the side effects our does. If I can locate a reference somewhere, I'll put it on. Prudy Not surprisingly, you don't even know who the players are in this game. Israeli Arabs, AKA Palestinians who stayed and became citizens of Israel, did get gas masks. Palestinians, who are NOT Israeli citizens, and who cheered Sadam as he rained down Scuds on Israel, didn't get gas masks from the Israeli government nor should they have. They were not the targets. And if they wanted gas masks, they should have asked you to send them some. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Going Too Far:Israel Plans Killings on US Soil
-Caveat Lector- At 10:24 AM 1/24/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/24/2003 9:19:44 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is impossible to counter the barrage of disinformation you post here. There is no funding available to pay someone to do that kind of work. The disinformation dearest Zuukie comes from you and your ilk, not me. Now,now Shannon. We both know that you are full of shit. Would you like me to dig into Nurev's archives and post the reams of lies and foolishness you post? Eh Bubby? I've got REAMS of bukllshit with your name on it. Warmed over neo-Nazi shit from our pal Hoffman. Arab propaganda for the feeble minded. You know. J2 I present fact-based pieces which tend NOT to see the light of day in the controlled mainstream media. My only desire is to see America stay true to our founding principles and to expose the real conspiracy and conspirators. Bill. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FULL METAL JACKET
-Caveat Lector- Ya' Know..pork pecker, when we kikes take over the world a few weeks from now we will remember your kind words. Jesus the Jew said... Wash his filthy mouth out with soap. - Testacles, 6: 42. See you soon, Hymie At 09:17 PM 1/15/03 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Fuck you piece of KIKE SHIT. Ripping your throat out on a Vietnam Battlefield is the true joy of every red blooded yankeedoodler. Hee haw, all must remember the alamo!!! The POC'ster (LEZ) * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, james gale wrote: Pure filth from obviously a mentally deficient individual. Jim... - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: RE: [Politics] [CTRL] Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 1/15/2003 10:39:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do you feel about Americans killing Americans on foreign soil? It is truly a wondrous thing. Whatever it takes for a piece of Jew-Grovelling-Faggot-White-Shit like Junior to prove his texas-white-faggot supremacy and suck japhethite/and/or/edomite kike cock. FULL METAL JACKET POC (LEZ) === LIST INFO Questions or problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~To unsubscribe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~To subscribe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~Check out other Hot Topics lists at http://www.topica.com/hot A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations
-Caveat Lector- At 08:32 PM 1/15/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/2003 6:27:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International. Golly gee--anyone know the Hebrew version of mi casa su casa? Prudy I do. Kish meer in tuchas. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations
-Caveat Lector- At 09:58 PM 1/15/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- I call that a violation of international law. You're right. My point was that Israel is just following the U.S. lead. JR Not true JR. ALL countries do it. Israel began to do it out in the open after the 1972 Munich massacre of it's athletes at the olympics. If our delightful Palestininian friends kill people in foreign countries, the solution is simple. I love the outrage that Israel can do such a thing. My my. What kind of people are these? J2 - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/2003 8:28:58 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that two wrongs make a right but what do you call the killing in Yemen with a rocket from the CIA's unmanned Predator? It was several months ago that Bush gave the CIA carte blanche to kill the enemy anywhere in the world. I call that a violation of international law. Bill. Ooooh a violation of international law. Bad. Bad Israeli. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations
-Caveat Lector- At 10:07 PM 1/15/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/2003 9:01:16 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're right. My point was that Israel is just following the U.S. lead. With the annoying little difference that they're doing so on American soil. Both cases are wrong, but to allow a foriegn agency to break American laws on American soil is beyond the pale. Bill. You're a fucking hypocrite Shannon. No country asks other countries to change their laws before assassinating their enemies. The US does it all the time, and so does everyone else. Do you feel violated bubby? A. I guess Israel should just stop going after the THOUSANDS of Arab terrorists and their organizations in this country because it upsets you. I'll put in a good word for you. I know for a fact that Sharon is VERY concerned about Prudy's and your feelings. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations
-Caveat Lector- At 10:28 PM 1/15/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/2003 9:25:08 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is it worse breaking American law than the law of some other country? Because I am an American, that's why. Bill. ME TOO MUTHERFUCKER. AND I CONSIDER IT A FAVOR TO THE U.S.A. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CANNIBALISM: Pygmies Being Killed and Eaten in Congo
-Caveat Lector- At 09:38 AM 1/12/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- That was a Mossad false flag operation. The Israeli dressed up as black Africans and killed and ate the Italians because the Italians were pro-Palestinian. I can't believe you don't know this! You are usually so attuned to Israeli atrocities.Tsk, tsk. J2 Yes this is true. However you leave out the most important part of this scandal as reported in the Jerusalum Post - Israel's Chief Rabbi was paid thousands under the table to declare the meat Kosher. flw THIS IS A VICIOUS ANTI-SEMITIC LIE being perpetrated by vicious anti-semitic anti-semites!!! Pygmie was ALWAYS kosher if taken in small amounts. BASTARDS. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Burning whats?
-Caveat Lector- At 09:36 AM 1/12/03 -0600, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ramsey Clark is a damn perverted blood thirsty jew No Willey you crazy psychotic worm fucker. He's a Christian. J2 Euphorian wrote: -Caveat Lector- WAR CRIMES A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal by Ramsey Clark and Others A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto
-Caveat Lector- At 01:50 PM 1/10/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Pru while I think the Israelis are way overboard, and too far into this right hawkish bad dream right now they at least attempt have targeted attacks When you blow yourself up in a bus station that is indiscriminate killing. on 01/10/03 1:45 PM, Prudy L at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/2003 12:05:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because it kills people indiscriminately. Too bad it doesn't fit your stereotype eh? What's wrong with that? The Israeli kill Palestinians indiscriminately. Prudy Are you really this stupid? The Israeli military are the best in the world at discriminate urban warfare. The US and other countries send their military and police to LEARN HOW TO CONTROL A VIOLENT POPULATION AND KEEP CIVILIAN CASUALTIES LOW. The Israelis do it well. The Israelis could rid themselves of the entire Palestinian population anywhere on earth. But fortunately for the Palestinians, they are dealing with Jews and not Arabs or Europeans. Otherwise there would be NO Palestinian problem at all. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CANNIBALISM: Pygmies Being Killed and Eaten in Congo
-Caveat Lector- At 06:03 PM 1/10/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/2003 11:57:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The UN had sent six officials to investigate the accusation as well as other human rights abuses, he said. And they had better be careful. Remember the incident in which the fourteen Italians were found butchered and for sale in some local meat markets (also in the Congo I believe). That was a few years back and not widely broadcast, but it really happened. Prudy That was a Mossad false flag operation. The Israeli dressed up as black Africans and killed and ate the Italians because the Italians were pro-Palestinian. I can't believe you don't know this! You are usually so attuned to Israeli atrocities. Tsk, tsk. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto
-Caveat Lector- At 09:09 AM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/2003 8:42:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PLEASE stop whining. Just stop paying your taxes, and you will solve the problem. Oh no, I love contributing to your causes. Walls and razor wire--yum. Why no mine fields? Prudy Because it kills people indiscriminately. Too bad it doesn't fit your stereotype eh? J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto
-Caveat Lector- At 11:33 AM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/2003 10:09:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: donât love the fence idea, but it is not a prison fence - it is a border. If and when there is a Palestinian state, there will be a border between the countries, no? And it WILL be a heavily defended border - , wire and all, I am sure both sides will insist on that, no? There are already many, many borders that touch the lives of the Palestinians. Yeah life is tough. There will never be a Palestinian state, There is a Palestinian state. It's called Jordan. but if such a thing were to happen, I think the borders would be remarkably friendly. Prudy Could you possibly be MORE unrealistic? J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto
-Caveat Lector- At 12:26 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- on 01/08/03 11:33 AM, Prudy L at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will never be a Palestinian state, but if such a thing were to happen, I think the borders would be remarkably friendly. Eventually I agree economics will always win out If that were true, Oslo would have been successful. Obviously this is one of the rare places where economics is a secondary consideration. over ideology in the long run. This is NOT about ideology on either side. But initially there will be a great deal of distrust I fear There won't be a Palestinian state on the West Bank. J2 Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="" href="" eudora="autourl">www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="" of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="" To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto
-Caveat Lector- At 09:53 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The main point of the fence is not to protect 'Israel' but to expand and enhance the colonial Zionista settlement outposts. flw If that were true, the fence would be farther east. Don't you get tired of being wrong? J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israelis To Confine Arabs to Ghetto
-Caveat Lector- At 01:02 PM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/2002 9:41:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A light rain brings some of the farmers of Qalqiliya out to look at their fields, which should be busy with orange and lemon pickers. But the only sign of activity is a giant Israeli digger carving out a trench wide enough to drive a car along. The digger works amid a scene of devastation: an 80-yard-wide area stripped of its orchards and greenhouses that will shortly become the perimeter fence of what is effectively a big open-air prison enclosing a town of 40,000. I have always said that anti-Jew racism makes one stupid.. I would add that it is also proportional. The more anti Semitic one is, the stupider one becomes. To prove my point, one only has to wish to demonize the Israelis for building a barrier to protect themselves from their enemies. If they were Germans, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, Dutch, Belgians, or Americans they would have exterminated the Palestinians by now. But instead, they are building a fence. The fence is a single long fence extending from point A to point B. Now if you weren't such fucking racist jerks, looking to demonize the Jews, it would be obvious to you that the last paragraph is a piece of utterly stupid propaganda designed for morons like you. The digger works amid a scene of devastation: an 80-yard-wide area stripped of its orchards and greenhouses that will shortly become the perimeter fence of what is effectively a big open-air prison enclosing a town of 40,000. A border fence is a single fence. It is not one that surrounds the town of Qalqiliya. It separates Israel from the Arab occupied territories of the West Bank of the Jordan. A single fence ( as opposed to a four sided fence,) does NOT...a big open-air prison enclosing a town of 40,000. make. This is TYPICAL of inept Palestinians propaganda which is only effective on Arabs and people like you. Ah yes, the tranquil picture of Israeli democracy. Makes one yearn to send even more of our tax dollars to Israel. Prudy PLEASE stop whining. Just stop paying your taxes, and you will solve the problem. Joshua2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] There is No Evolution Here - 2
-Caveat Lector- Whacky Willie is back.. I thought we got rid of this asshole What's up Kris? Hey Willie I have some bad news for you. Evolution is not a theory any more. It's an observable fact. The Bible is mostly mythological fiction. Also the Jews will succeed in taking over the universe, and then YOU will be in deep shit. Have a nice day, Joshua2 At 02:51 AM 1/8/03 -0600, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- W.W. Prescott in his book, The Spade and the Bible says, Not a ruined city has been opened up that has given any comfort to unbelieving critics or evolutionists. Every find of archaeologists in the Bible lands has gone on to confirm and confound its enemies. Life centered around the temple. The temple towers of Babylonia were of the same design, a series of vast, almost square platforms, with stairways leading up. The shrine for the god was on the top. Th ziggurats at Ur had three to eight platforms. The shrine at the top was in blue glazed brick with a golden metal roof. The Babylonian word ziggarat means a pinnacle on top of a mountain. The theory is that the ancient conquerors of these plains, were mountaineers who, either from homesickness or from religious conservatism or both, wished to worship their god on the high places as they had always done. In Chaldea they had to make the high places with their own hands. The account of the building the tower of Babel is the record of such an event. In Genesis 11:2-3 we read; And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they said one to another, God to, let us make brick and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and asphalt had they for mortar. And they said, Go to, let us build a city and a tower whose top may reach into heaven. These temples were not only places of worship. Around their courts were store houses for the tithes and offerings brought in by the faithful worshipers, or paid as rent by tenants. There were living quarters for the priests and the temple servants. There were workshops and factories where the men and women, attached to the temple were employed, spinning and weaving into cloth the wool which the farmers brought. There was also casting and hammering into art objects the copper and silver paid as tithes by the merchants of the city. Exhaustive accounts were kept of what was received and what was disbursed. Immense cattle yards were kept where the live stock, given to the temple, were cared for. Contracts were found setting forth their responsibilities and regulating their profits, documents referring to granaries, freight boats, etc. The temple stood in relation to the people as the state does in modern times and the records here are of administration. The records show an efficient and well organized community. Each person had a cylinder seal, which was rolled over the wet clay and used in place of a signature. These seals are very small, some only 5/8ths of an inch long. It took great skill and very tiny tools to carve these. Various semi precious stones were used. One of gold was found in the tomb of a queen. About 3750 B.C., the art of the seal reached perhaps its highest expression. They carved figures whose physical characteristics were emphasized realistically. At the center of the composition there was a panel containing an inscription. One inscription shows a bearded hero watering buffalo from a vase out of which flowed two streams, then it shows water and a rock border at the bottom. The inscription names Ibnisharrum as the owner of the seal and dedicates it to Shargalisharri, king of Akkad. He was a grandson of Sargon, or Cain as we know him. This whole scene was on a cylinder seal less than an inch long and perhaps the size of ones little finger. No modern jewel engraver could do better. Because it is difficult to imagine life other than in terms of that which they knew, they assumed that man's occupations and needs hereafter would be similar to what they have been in the past, that the next world is a continuation of this world. Whatever a man used in this lifetime he will use after death. The woman took her spindle, needle, mirror and her cosmetics. The carpenter took his saw and chisels, the soldier his weapons of war. The king must be provided with a goodly sample of his pomp on earth. It is not surprising then that the archaeologists derives most of his material from the cemeteries of the old world. What he finds illustrates not only their beliefs and burial customs, but also their life style. From the royal tombs at Ur, dating about 3000 B.C., come some very beautiful things. The famous gold dagger of Ur, a weapon whose blade is gold, its hilt of lapis lazuli decorated with gold studs, and it sheath of gold filigree work. With it was another object scarcely less remarkable. It was a cone shaped container of gold, ornamented with a spiral pattern and containing a set of little toilet instruments, tweezers, lancet and pencil, also of gold. The royal graves all had a harp. The
Re: [CTRL] Reinstate the Draft
-Caveat Lector- At 11:31 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The American people have to decide whether they want to have an Empire with a draft, police state, and a non productive economy run by a wealthy few OR a free productive country with no draft and general prosperity. It is not possible to have both. flw I'm glad we can agree on something here. Unfortunately, because we don't have democracy here, it's not up to us if we want or don't want Empire. Empire it is and empire it will be. Our job is to create wealth through labor for the the Rich to pay for mercenary armies to protect their investments and steal other people's natural resources. Then we can get old. Get sick. And die. Capirtalism is a beautiful thing. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] It's not the oil, stupid, it's the power
-Caveat Lector- At 11:22 AM 1/4/03 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- why don't you smoke a joint already Which is apropos of what? Instaed of being a smart ass ( except for the smart part ) why don't you just admit that you are shallow, ignorant and incapable of logical thought. THAT would be much more accurate than your stance on oil and power. It's obvious that you are incapable of thoughts deeper than the reach of your pecker. Leave it alone for a while and pay attention. 1) All nations seek power. The stronger a country is militarily, the more power it wants because it uses its power to steal other, weaker countiess' resources. In Central Asia it's oil. In Afghanistan it's a land bridge for a pipeline to move that oil. Now pay attention here sonny. IT'S ALL ABOUT OIL. We use power to control other people's resources because the Corporate /Military establishment makes money from it. MONEY = POWER more than OIL = POWER. OIL = MONEY = POWER. The power derived from oil is INDIRECT POWER. It is indirect because modern economies are fueled by oil and gas. The elites who control the _ price and production_ of oil and gas, have POWER over that economy if they choose to play that card. Access to Caspian oil, aside from being profitable for the oil corporations, reduces the need to be dependent on the Arabs who hate the West. This is why we are going to war with Iraq. To take the option away from the Saudis and OPEC. if oil didn't lead to power no one would seek it so strongly GENIUS! that means, by definition, it is the POWER STUPID No you moron. You still don't get it. Oil has its own intrinsic value. The power derived from controlling oil is OPTIONAL. The value of the oil is independent of the ability to use it as means to power. I'll bet your one of those idiots who think the statement Knowledge is power. has some real meaning. It doesn't because it's not true. There is a connection between knowledge and power, but having knowledge doesn't mean you have power, and having power doesn't mean you have knowledge. That is obvious if you take our fearless leader as an example. If you want to learn about power see if you can find Nurev's Understanding The New World Order by Joshua2. It's probably in CTRL's archives. J2 Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 10:31 AM 1/3/03 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Statecraft: It's NOT the oil, Stupid, it's the power Posted by: souljah on Jan 03, 2003 - 10:08 AM It IS the oil STUPID! It's all about oil because control of oil IS POWER! STUPID! ~~ A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] It's not the oil, stupid, it's the power
-Caveat Lector- At 10:31 AM 1/3/03 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Statecraft: It's NOT the oil, Stupid, it's the power Posted by: souljah on Jan 03, 2003 - 10:08 AM It IS the oil STUPID! It's all about oil because control of oil IS POWER! STUPID! Don't bet all your money on Emporer's Clothes. They made MANY mistakes about 911. Joshua2 According to the Petroleum Economist of February 11, 2002, it was the Taliban which tried to get a trans-Afghan pipeline, and it was the U.S. and Unocal which jinxed the project. http://makeashorterlink.com/?P216133F2 ~~ Weather Modification http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z201661F2 Transhumanism: The New Master Race? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R3E0231F2 Rocket Fuel Toxic Found in Lettuce http://makeashorterlink.com/?V195213F2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Liberating America From Israel
-Caveat Lector- At 04:49 PM 1/1/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/2003 3:32:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Jews will do what THEY deem necessary without advice from the likes of you. But with HER money... Not true. But even if it were, she AND YOU can stop paying taxes. I personally don't like MY tax money going to support Arab Dictatorships. Joshua2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] US Firms Sold ICBM Technology to China
-Caveat Lector- At 10:11 AM 1/1/03 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Who wants to bet this 'probe' will go nowhere? flw It has already gone nowhere. This story is the basis for the Lewinsky/Clinton scandal, and its aftermath, the attempt to remove Clinton from office. Ellements on the Right could not tolerate business as usual if it meant selling dangerous weapons to the Communists in China. The selling of weapons is better than OK usually, but these systems allowed China to reach US shores with missiles for the VERY FIRST TIME. These were in fact acts of treason perpetrated by the usual suspects... Capitalist Corporations, and their henchmen the bribed politicians. Today we are nuclear targets on the west coast. Joshua2 washingtonpost.com Firms Accused of Giving Space Technology to China State Department Charges That U.S. Companies Made Illegal Transfers By John Mintz Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, January 1, 2003; Page A07 The State Department has charged that two of the country's largest aerospace companies, Hughes Electronics Corp. and Boeing Satellite Systems Inc., illegally transferred sensitive U.S. space technology to China in the 1990s that could have helped Beijing's military develop intercontinental missiles. If a federal administrative judge and, later, a top State Department official agree with the allegations in a 32-page State Department charging letter filed without public notice last Thursday, the companies could be fined as much as $60 million and barred for three years from selling controlled technologies overseas, a penalty that could particularly hurt Boeing. The companies have strenuously denied wrongdoing in the case, which began with a series of failed space launches in China starting in 1995. Hughes officials are alleged to have given Chinese experts detailed information about rocketry to help China's space program figure out why its rockets were failing soon after launch. The Hughes Electronics space launch division, which committed the supposed improprieties, was purchased by Boeing in 2000 for $3.7 billion. The two corporate bodies charged by the State Department last week are the Hughes parent company and the division of Boeing that gobbled up the former Hughes space launch unit. This type of administrative charge is extraordinarily rare, U.S. officials said. The filing reflects officials' anger that the two firms have aggressively battled the charges and resisted admitting what they did in China was wrong, they added. We don't believe we've done anything wrong, said Hughes Electronics spokesman Robert Marsocci. We're in negotiations with the State Department, and we'll be reviewing our options. A Boeing spokesman, Dan Beck, said the company would not comment. The Justice Department spent years on a criminal investigation of those companies and a third, Loral Space Communications Ltd., involved in similar activity in China. But several months ago, federal prosecutors informed the firms that they would not file criminal charges. Last January, Loral agreed to pay a $14 million fine and to spend $6 million on internal reforms to stop overseas technology transfers. The government did not file the kind of administrative charges against Loral that it filed last week against Hughes and Boeing. The charging document, signed by William J. Lowell, director of the State Department's office of defense trade controls, said Hughes and Boeing committed 123 violations of the Arms Export Control Act and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations. Government officials praised Loral for facing up to its past improprieties and imposing corporate guidelines to prevent a recurrence. Officials offered no such praise for Boeing and Hughes. The department has had several rounds of discussion with Hughes and Boeing to explore a resolution similar to the one with Loral, said State Department spokesman Jay Greer. We can note that unlike Loral, Hughes and Boeing have both failed to recognize the seriousness of the violations and have been unprepared to take steps to resolve the matter, or to ensure no recurrence of violations in the future. Hughes and Boeing for years have insisted the State Department is wrong to declare it improper for them to have had discussions with Chinese officials about the space launch failures. The firms point out that during the mid-1990s, their operations in China were covered by Commerce Department regulations that were more lax and, the companies say, allowed for some give and take with Beijing officials. The State Department says that the more stringent export control laws still were in force, and that the companies broke them. After the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger in 1986, President Ronald Reagan decided in 1988 that U.S. space companies should be allowed to launch their satellites aboard China's Long March rockets to accommodate the fast-growing American telecommunications industry. But the U.S. firms were barred from giving the
Re: [CTRL] Liberating America From Israel
-Caveat Lector- At 07:17 PM 12/29/02 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/29/2002 3:15:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is Israel the only country ever asked to return land it wins? Many other countries have returned land they won. Some have even created new countries with the land they won but did not keep--Britain which took Kuwait from Iraq and then gave it independence with an appointed leadership. Yes, yes. Prudy. They created a puppet state instead of direct control. The United States took Okinawa during WWII, and even though Okinawa should have been given independence, gave it back to Japan which had conquered it previously. Yes, yes Prudy. They gave it back to Japan because they controlled Japan militarily. Israel could be magnanimous and give land to the Palestinians without breaking a planetary precedent, but I can assure you that Israel will never do that. I can assure you of that as well. But not because they are rapacious. It's a question of security. None of your idiotic examples are valid. None of the above had lands adjacent to their border. These were all far away. For Israel to intentionally create an enemy state on its border where it is only 9 miles wide is insane. I think the word rapacious describes Israel rather well. Prudy Let's see you start a movement to give back the Southwest America stole from Mexico thru war. Let's see you start a movement to return Hawaii to its natives who STILL WANT IT BACK, before you stick your hypocritical nose into other people's survival issues you goddamned phony hypocrite. Clean up your own backyard first. The Jews will do what THEY deem necessary without advice from the likes of you. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Soldier Gets 65 Days for Murdering 95 Yr Old Grandmother
-Caveat Lector- At 01:10 PM 12/27/02 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Not many points for that one. Now if she were an armed, one eyed, pregnant, dynamite toting, glorious freedom fighter, THAT would be points. One thing that gets me sick is someone who is a monovisualphobist profiler. flw I guess we don't see eye to eye on that one either eh? J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Soldier Gets 65 Days for Murdering 95 Yr Old Grandmother
-Caveat Lector- At 11:49 AM 12/26/02 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/25/2002 10:09:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An Israel Defense Forces soldier who killed a 95-year-old Palestinian woman earlier this month has been sentenced to 65 days in military prison. But does he get to keep the points? Prudy Not many points for that one. Now if she were an armed, one eyed, pregnant, dynamite toting, glorious freedom fighter, THAT would be points. J2 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Are We Going to War for Oil?
-Caveat Lector- At 10:19 AM 12/15/02 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- UM --- in central asia its more about natural gas than oil, no? It is NOT to be taken as a FACT that ... It's now been discovered that what was once thought to be an oil bonanza in Central Asiawith more oil than exists in the Middle Eastis actually a bust. This is really unclear, as is the notion that we have peaked with oil. It could be true but there are differing opinions about it. I would suggest keeping an open mind until more is known. on 12/15/02 2:23 AM, Steve Wingate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Are We Going to War for Oil? 11-Dec-2002 It's now been discovered that what was once thought to be an oil bonanza in Central Asiawith more oil than exists in the Middle Eastis actually a bust. And despite government support of hydrogen fuel cells, research indicates that these will not be a viable reality in the near future, meaning we'll continue to depend on Middle Eastern oil. At the same time, there's been a dramatic shift in U.S. foreign policy toward Iraq and Saudi Arabiaand these things may be connected. Estimates of oil reserves in the Caspian Sea have gone from 200 billion barrels to around 20 billion barrels. ExxonMobil is closing one of its Caspian offshore projects due to the poor results of exploratory drilling, and ChevronTexaco is withdrawing as well. Also, the Tengiz field in Central Asia is very expensive to pump and deliver to market and the oil has a high sulfur content (as much as 16 percent). Disposal of this waste sulfur will be a major problem. There has been very little talk lately about the trans- Afghanistan pipeline, probably due to continuing instability in the country. Correct. The war in Afghanistan has failed in every aspect but getting rid of the Taliban. Today, Afghanistan is back where it started under the control of brutal Warlords. One planned pipeline which is also being rethought is the 1,090-mile long Baku-Ceyhan pipeline, which will cost about $2.9 billion and will link an existing pipeline from Azerbaijan to the Turkish Mediterranean Port of Ceyhan, crossing high mountains and territory occupied by the Kurds, who may be aligned with Islamic terrorists. Critics question whether there are enough oil reserves in the Caspian Sea to support the pipeline, so U.S. interest in it may really be an effort to destabilize OPEC. De stabilizing OPEC appears to be on the agenda in the Gulf as well as in Venezuela and Africa. The U.S. recently published a document promoting hydrogen fuels, but critics feel this is mostly a public relations ploy, because there are serious problems to overcome before we can make the transition to hydrogen fuel cells. Because hydrogen is the simplest element, it will leak from any container, no mater how well insulated, so some of the hydrogen will always evaporate. Hydrogen gas is also very reactive, and when it comes into contact with metal surfaces it decomposes into hydrogen atoms, which are so small they can penetrate metal and make it brittle. But the biggest problem is the size of the fuel tanks that would be needed. 62,000 gallons of hydrogen gas is necessary to replace the energy capacity of 20 gallons of gasoline. So far, hydrogen-powered cars have run on compressed hydrogen, but a compressed hydrogen fuel tank can develop pressure leaks through accidents or normal wear, which could cause it to explode. If the hydrogen is liquefied, 4 four times the volume is needed to produce the energy of a gallon of gasoline, so a 60 gallon tank would be needed to replace a 15-gallon gas tank. Liquid hydrogen is also hard to store, because its cold enough to freeze air. In test vehicles, accidents have occurred from pressure build-ups in plugged valves. Beyond this, theres the high cost of liquefying the hydrogen and refrigerating it so that it remains in a liquid state. Hydrogen does not freely occur in nature in useful quantities, so it must be split from molecules of methane from either fossil fuels or water. The water process creates carbon monoxide as a byproduct, and the steam thats used is usually made from fossil fuels, so we cant escape the production of greenhouse gaseswe simply transfer this pollution to hydrogen production plants. The basic problem with hydrogen fuel cells is the second law of thermodynamics, meaning well always have to use more energy creating the hydrogen than well get from using that hydrogen. But a belief in hydrogen cell technology will help stock prices overcome the bad news about Caspian oil reserves. Also, the idea that we are working on a transition from fossil fuels may destabilize OPEC, making it easier to deal with Arab oil states. The government stresses the danger of Saddams nuclear and biological weapons, but does not acknowledge that part of our reason for invading Iraq is to protect our oil interests, since were still going to
Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ... -Caveat Lector- 11/26/02 10:58:51 AM, Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. Your delineation's are fuzzy here Prudy. You mixing apples and oranges. Jews/ Arabs are ETHNIC delineation's. Moslems are people who are followers of Islam. John Walker Lind is a Moslem. He and any Jew DO have a completely separate gene pool. How do you know this? Because the genetic studies were made across a wide spectrum of ethnicities. They discovered that even though Jews lived in Europe for over 2000 years, very little intermarriage went on between them and their neighbors. Since John is a European ethnically, the statement is valid. Taleban John is a poor choice to begin with because he acquired the religion. (Talk about mixing apples and artichokes!) I guess selective reading is like selective hearing eh? That's exactly what I said to correct Prudy's misstatement. How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. I took it to mean that the comparison was among those who ewere indigenous and therefore most likely to be related. That's right. But the point remains that unless every populations' pools are tested, there's no way for anyone to determine and ascertain this. Unless -- of course -- the information is channelled. No such thing as channeled. And yes, they did do a very broad spectrum of humanity. They migrated to the Turkish province which is now Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon, at the same time that the European Jews began their migrations from Europe. What? Does everyone need to rub their eyes here? Around the middle of the 19th century, the trend toward reestablishing a Zionist homeland came into vogue. It wasn't a vogue dude. It was a necessity. You see Jews have this strange thing about wanting to survive. The great thrust came with Tommy Herzl's That's Theodore or Teddy. little book and his expanded hobby known as Zionism that was based, of course, on his impressions that so long as some people can't seem to get along with the Europeans, they may as well go somewhere else. Yeah that must be it. Disapora for ever. I had as much trouble with that book as I did with *Mein Kampf* (which espoused the same aims, ridding Europe of some religious groups), neither of which I finished (so I can't decide which is the more vile). Who cares? Since you are not Jewish, your opinion about our thing is totally irrelevant. (Excuse me while I insert some data here.) http://www.cet.edu/earthinfo/meast/israel/IPtopic2.html The demographics of Palestine began to change dramatically in the 1920?s and 1930?s as there was increased immigration of European Jews into the mandate. This immigration was the result of several factors, most notably being the rise of Zionist ideology and the worsening political condition for Jews in such states as Germany. This is correct. Zionism (or Jewish nationalism) is a combination of religious faith and pragmatic politics. This is totally wrong. Zionism was primarily socialist, and there was also a right wing faction. But it had nothing to do with the religious motivation. The Jewish religion and culture are permeated with the symbols of the connection of the Jewish people to the land of Israel. The Jews consider themselves a displaced people living in exile after having been dispersed around the world. The concept of the right of return is central to the Jewish tradition. This is true. Politically, there was a fear that growing anti- Semitism in places such as Russia/Soviet Union and Nazi Germany made it impossible for Jews to assimilate into the political and economic structures of the Gentiles and therefore, there was a need to create a Jewish homeland. Actually it way predates the Nazis. Zionism grew exponentially with the advent of the Nazis in the thirties. But alas the allies of the Nazis, the Palestinian Arabs, got their Saudi Arab budies to pressure the Brits and Roosevelt to restrict Jewish immigration to British Palestine when they needed it most and when they wouldn't allow Jews to immigrate to England or the USA either. This is why Israel will remain a Jewish State. So that millions of Jews won't have to depend on people like you again. This had profound effects on local demographics. In the 1880's Jews accounted for about 6 percent of the population of Palestine, this number rising to about 8 percent in 1918, 18 percent in 1931 and 31 percent in 1939. Both populations fluctuated but the Brits restricted Jewish immigration to Palestine and did not restrict Arab immigration
Re: [CTRL] About the other 68%
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: [CTRL] About the other 68% Except for a few points, this is a pretty accurate history. Joshua2 -Caveat Lector- http://www.accessv.com/~yehuda/Essay1.html IB Diploma Requirement: Extended Essay - History Professor: David H. Layton,Myers Park High School, Charlotte North Carolina Due Date: 15 October 1997 The Palestinian Powder-Keg: The Negative Impact of Great Britain on Zionist Reform Movements in Palestine, 1917-1948 Since the beginning of the Common Era, the Jewish people have been without a peaceful national homeland. The Roman general Titus sacked the Temple of Jerusalem and conquered the state of Judea in 70 C.E.. As a result, the Jewish people were thrown into perpetual exile from their promised homeland during a period now known as the Diaspora. This period began to come to an end on 2 November 1917. A declaration contained in a letter by Britain's Minister of Foreign Affairs, A.J. Balfour, to the representative of Hibbat Tziyyon (Lovers of Zion), Baron Edmund de Rothschild, which officially committed the United Kingdom to the concept of a free Jewish state. It is a common misperception, however that the British 'provided', rather heroically, the Jewish state with their independence. On the contrary, British involvement tended to hinder Jewish independence movements. The initial intent of the British involvement was to secure a foothold in the Middle East that would be favorable to British concerns. This intervention contributed greatly to the already building resentment and distrust of Western civilization, and provided further inspiration for the growing movement of Pan-Arabism. The intervention of the United Kingdom has done little to benefit the creation of Israel, as the Jews were forced to accomplish this with support from the United States and the Soviet Union; rather it has fueled a contempt for all of Western civilization which is still at the root of the Israeli- Palestinian conflict today. The Zionist movement was relatively new to the Middle Eastern theatre. Although historically there has been an indigenous population of Jews in Palestine, Jewish immigration did not begin until the 1870s. At this time, many Jews from Eastern Europe and Russia journeyed to Palestine in order to create a new Jewish state on the foundations of the ancient one (Ben-Gurion 18). Jews continued to immigrate to Israel, but remained a relative minority. However, the Zionists were able to effectively rally behind the cause of the Jewish national homeland to create one voice; they maintained a great propaganda machine through the World press as well as in day- to-day information (Antonius 38). Through these means, the Zionists wished to create worldwide sympathy for their cause. Although there was a Jewish presence within Palestine, it was far from significant enough to cause any sort of revolution. Outside support, such as that from the Jews of other nations, would be necessary to bolster the Zionist's efforts. Before the establishment of Israel in 1948, the Jewish population in Palestine was a vast minority. In 1931, Jews made up only 14 % of the country's demographics; by 1948, Jews still could only claim 32% of the nation's population (Said 55). This discrepancy in the national population would contribute to the conflict between the two groups. Although far outnumbered, the United Kingdom stated their desire to create a homeland for the Jews. Britain had taken control over the area through an agreement with the French signed in February 1916. This agreement, known officially as the Asia Minor agreement but often referred to as the Sykes- Picot Agreement, divided up the territories of the soon-to-be fallen Ottoman Empire between the French and the British. Palestine began to take on a strategic importance from a military standpoint due to its proximity to the Suez Canal. Since Britain is an island nation, she relies heavily on her naval supremacy. This relies on control of a primary world waterway. Although the British have maintained a protectorate in Egypt since 1857, proximity in the north could only be viewed as positive in the case of an invasion. British Prime Minister David-Lloyd George intended on making sure Palestine remained in British hands (Metz 34). However, Zionist movements in Palestine were increasing their effect on Britain's foreign policy. Due to the ongoing World War, Lloyd George and Balfour feared that if Britain did not favor an independent Jewish state that Germany may, therefore influencing the support of Jews throughout Russia and the United States. These Jews had much clout, and it was the opinion of the Ministry of Foreign affairs that if they won Jewish support they could keep Russia in the war and further the plight for American intervention (Metz 34). Hence the
Re: [CTRL] History of Palestine - Wikipedia -j2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:08 AM Subject: [CTRL] History of Palestine - Wikipedia Quite a good history. Pretty darn accurate. Some minor issues. Calling the place Palestine is a problem. First and most important, is that there is no such place. Period. That land in that region was called Palestine for relatively brief periods in history. It's like calling a woman who was married several times by the name of her first husband even though she had remarried. It's simply a political act in favor of the Arab point of view to call Israel, the West Bank, or Jordan, Palestine. The title of the piece History of Palestine is unhistorical for the same reason. This is borne out by the very history it contains. Calling the land Palestine BEFORE THE ROMAN DEFEAT OF JUDEA, is like calling this land mass the United States of America before 1776. It simply was something else and demonstrates a false chauvinism. Joshua2 -Caveat Lector- http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine Many hot linques at site History of Palestine From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. See Also: Palestine, History of Levant, History of ancient Israel and Judah, History of Israel Historical overview The term Palestine originates with the Philistines, who inhabited the southern coast of the region in biblical times. It went into disuse with the disappearance of the Philistines c.1000 B.C., but was reintroduced by the Romans following the Second Jewish Revolt (Great Revolt) of Bar Kochba of 132-135 A.D in the province of Judea. Historically, there was a clear distinction between Philistine and Judean territories, however, the Romans adopted the name for the province in an effort to erase any memories of the Judean rebels they defeated: similarly, Jerusalem, Palestine's historic capital, was renamed Aelia Capitolina. For nineteen hundred years since that time, the region was subject to successive waves of invaders, each of which left some mark on its people and landscape. This can be attributed to Palestine's strategic location at the crossroads of Asia, Africa, and Europe, and its unique religious status as a Holy Land to the three great monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. In 1917, the British captured the region from the Ottoman Empire and called it Palestine, after the longstanding Roman name for the area. This came at a time of renewed interest in the country among the European powers, Arab nationalists, and Jewish Zionists, who sought to reestablish their ancient homeland there. Competition between the latter two groups came to a head immediately after World War II, when Zionist claims gained greater urgency after the murder of almost six million Jews in the Holocaust. The Zionists demanded an independent homeland to absorb the Jewish refugees from Europe; the local Arab population, by now called Palestinians, argued that they played no role in the Holocaust, so the refugee problem should not be resolved at their expense. On November 29, 1947, the United Nations voted to partition what remained of the British Mandate of Palestine into two states: one Jewish, and one Arab. The proposal was rejected by the Palestinian Arabs and the surrounding Arab states but accepted by the Jews. Less than five months later, the Jewish population declared its independence as the state of Israel, and the first of a series of wars rocked the region. Large numbers of Palestinian Arabs fled, while others were expelled from their homes during the fighting in what is called in Arabic the Naqba, or Tragedy. Israel managed to maintain its independence and even expand its borders, but a new refugee problem, this one of Palestinian Arabs, was created. What remained of the territories allotted to the Arab state in Palestine was occupied by Jordan (the West Bank) and Egypt (the Gaza Strip) from 1948 to 1967, Not occupied. Annexed. when Israel occupied those areas in the Six Day War. This view is an example of Arab propaganda. Israel didn't just occupy the West Bank of Jordan, It was attacked by Jordan and several other Arab armies. It successfully defended itself, and defeated Jordan's military forces and drove them back over the Jordan River. This left the West Bank under the control of Israel. ISRAEL DIDN'T WANT IT!!! Israel offered it back to King Hussein who didn't want it either anymore because he didn't want to deal with the Palestinian problem as it played out in his country. This left Israel in the position of administering a conquered territory with an ENEMY POPULATION. Every other country in the world which won land in a war, had the victor's option of keeping it or not. The UN decided that the Israelis did not have that same option. This was a political decision played out by the Arabs, the Americans, and Soviet influenced countries. It would have been VERY
Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/26/2002 8:18:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems. Most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi (Khazar) and have nothing in common with the Arabs. The Sephardics do and are treated like 2nd class citizens. Bill. Most Israelis are Ashkenazis which has nothing to do with Khazars as Shanon the lying racist prick well knows. There are several well known studies which demonstrate quite ironically that ALL Jews from different parts of the world, including the Black Jews of Zimbabwe, are strongly related to the Arabs who have lived in and around what is now Israel. The Israeli/Arab conflict is not about race. It's about religion and land. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Prudy L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/25/2002 1:43:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude. How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. Your delineations are fuzzy here Prudy. You mixing apples and oranges. Jews/ Arabs are ETHNIC delineations. Moslems are people who are followers of Islam. John Walker Lind is a Moslem. He and any Jew DO have a completely separate gene pool. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems. This is what is known in scientific terminology as bubba meises. Mythology. It might be based on truth, but likely is not since the Bible was written about fifteen hundred years after Abraham, and the Koran, much later than that. The Koran is OVERTLY unhistorical. More so than the Christian Bible which was at least based on real historical characters. If Jews and Palestinians have no genetic connection, then the entire rationale of the Old Testament is false, You're a littele confused ol' girl. The above statement is a non-sequiter. The relationship between Jews and Palestinians has no bearing on the veracity of the Bible. The Bible could be entirely made up drivel and that would not prove anything as far as genetic makeup is concerned. The Jews and Arabs (NOT Palestinians) have lived in close proximity for so long that it would be remarkable if all through history they did not conquer each other at various times and intermarry. THIS is what's certain. Not the various legends. The Palestinians are a recently made up phenomenon. They are not a real ethnic group. They are Arabs. That's all. They are no more distinctive than the Arabs from Syria. They migrated to the Turkish provence which is now Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon, at the same time that the European Jews began their migrations from Europe. The Palesdtinians are as new immigrants as are the Ashkenazis. That's not to say that there weren't people living there already. There were. They were Arab landless peasants mostly working for absentee Turkish and Arab landlords. There were many small indiginous groups in villages. Most, but not all were Arabs. AND, there was a continuous Jewish population who lived there in an unbroken line for 3000 years. This population's size varied. The new bullshit being pushed by the Palestinians is that they are decendants of the Cananites. Thereby creating an historical line that goes further back than the Jews. The only problem with that is that the Cananites were NOT ARABS. The Cananites were Phoenecians who were Europeans. There is no genetic connection between Cananites, Jews, and especially Arabs who didn't really live in that part of the world. They lived mostly in the Arabian interior. Then they pushed out with the military expansion of Islam. [ ALL THE PLACES THE ARABS CLAIM OUTSIDE OF THE MECA/MEDINA REGION WERE STOLEN FROM INDIGINOUS POPULATIONS BY FORCE AND THREAT OF DEATH. THAT INCLUDES ISRAEL AND IT'S SURROUNDING AREAS. ] There is an excellent site about Phoenecians on the web. Check it out and get a clue. and all Israeli claim to the holy land is false as well, because the very story that gives them claim would be compromised. When will you people ever get it right? It's not the STORY in the book that gives Jews the claim. It's the HISTORY that gives Jews the claim. The connection does NOT depend on the legends in the Bible. I realize that most folks do not consider the Bible to represent scientific fact, but since the Bible and science appear to agree with regard to this matter, what's the issue here? Prudy The issue is racism and Jew hatred. You should know that by now. In any case consider this. Posession is 9/10ths of the law. It's not Bibles and legends, and idiotic claims by lying Arabs and racists like Hoffman and Shannon. These are all irrelevant in the end. It's about possession AND THE STRENGTH TO KEEP YOUR POSSESSION. The lawyers and theologians can beat their gums about the rest. That's all folks, Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
Re: [CTRL] Cashill: Iraq downed TWA Flight 800
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Cashill: Iraq downed TWA Flight 800 -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/19/2002 12:00:37 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The jury is in on TWA Flight 800, and the verdict is clear: There is absolutely no evidence of either a mechanical failure, or of a bomb planted in the fuselage. Indeed, all available evidence suggests the explosive event that destroyed the ill-fated airliner in 1996 was caused by a terrorist group called the Islamic Change Movement. Oh bullshit. Give me a break. Bill. Can't fool you eh genius? You are way too smart to believe that Arab/ muslims terrorists would EVER do anything bad with airplanes. Gee, I wish I was as sharp a tool as you. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ark of Covenant
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: [CTRL] Ark of Covenant -Caveat Lector- http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20021029-11-6334r Ark of Covenant reported to be in Ethiopia By Beth Potter From the Life Mind Desk Published 10/29/2002 10:31 AM ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia, Oct. 29 (UPI) -- Remember Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark? It turns out the movie was probably wrong about where to search for the religious artifact. The real Ark of the Covenant is actually believed to be in Axum, a small town in Ethiopia. Actually believed to be. Is not the same as - exists in Axum. This story is drivel if it suggests that this is the real Ark. J2 Written texts have it that the ark, the repository of the Ten Commandments tablets that God gave to Moses, was taken to Ethiopia by Menelik, son of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba around 1000 B.C., says Richard Pankhurst, a British scholar who has lived in Ethiopia more than half of his 60-odd years. It's guarded by an ecclesiastic in a rude wooden building in little Axum, a 3-day drive from the capital on bad roads. But inside the building are sumptuous curtains and paintings depicting stories in the Old Testament. Nobody sees it -- you have to take it on faith that it's the ark, Pankhurst says. It's a question of veneration. Even asking the man who is second in command to the patriarch of the conservative Ethiopian Orthodox church brings a stern rebuke. There is in our country the Ark of the Covenant, says Archbishop Gerima, who sits in the patriarchate in the capital city. You can ask his holiness about it, but I am not going to discuss it. It's impossible to see it. The patriarch is out or in a meeting in subsequent queries. In every town across the country, a replica of the ark is kept in an Ethiopian Orthodox church. Only ordained priests are allowed to see even the replicas, Pankhurst says. Once a year, for the festival of Timket, on Jan. 19, Epiphany on the Ethiopian Orthodox Christian calendar, the replicas are taken from behind curtains, draped with beautiful material and paraded around. The faithful renew their vows. Ethiopia, better known for famines and wars, is mostly Christian, though Muslims are estimated to make up between one-third and one-half of the country's population, estimated at 67 million. Demelash Nega, who comes from the Axum region, laughs when asked if the ark could possibly be the real thing. Of course it's real, just like Jesus Christ is real, Nega says. How else could it survive for so many years? Menelik was said to have gone to Jerusalem to see his father. Legend has it that his followers said they would not return home without the ark. The followers spirited it away from Jerusalem in the middle of the night -- continuing their travels until they reached Ethiopia. Menelik became the first of a new line of kings in the northern Africa region. It's intimately related to Christian history, Pankhurst says solemnly of the religious object said to be the ark. Everyone should know that it is here. Copyright © 2002 United Press International A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread
Re: [CTRL] Sniper: 'Your Children Are Not Safe' (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Jei [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: [CTRL] Sniper: 'Your Children Are Not Safe' (fwd) -Caveat Lector- To me, this guy sounds more and more like something Mossad would have set up to help get Americans to support Israel. You are an insane racist prick. J2 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/national/main524252.shtml Sniper: 'Your Children Are Not Safe' ASPEN HILL, Md., Oct. 22, 2002 (CBS) Police investigating the Washington-area sniper shootings said Tuesday afternoon they had received a message warning, Your children are not safe anywhere at any time. The chilling warning apparently was discovered by police Saturday night at the scene of a shooting outside a Virginia steakhouse. Police said it came in the form of a postscript. Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose also said police will be responding soon to the latest message and did not take any questions from the media. Early Tuesday, a bus driver was shot and killed in the latest attack that bore the hallmarks of the serial sniper who has slain nine other people this month. A widespread dragnet was launched immediately after the shooting, clogging traffic on Connecticut Ave., one of the main arteries into Washington, D.C. just as the morning commute began. Conrad Johnson, a 35-year-old father of two, was shot as he stood at the top of the steps of the bus shortly before 6 a.m., Montgomery County police said. Johnson was a 10-year county employee. We don't know if this is related but we're treating this as if it is, said Montgomery County Police Capt. Nancy Demme. The shooting happened near an apartment building and wooded area along Connecticut Avenue. The bus was parked at a staging area where drivers get ready for their morning runs, state police spokesman Cpl. Rob Moroney said. He didn't know if anyone else was on the bus. Within minutes, police closed many roads around the shooting scene and set up roadblocks at points along the Capital Beltway. Teams of officers and FBI agents with automatic rifles slung over their shoulders, were checking all cars driven by men on the main roads leading out of Montgomery County, reports CBS News Correspondent Dan Raviv. By late morning, the roadblocks were largely being lifted, police said. CBS News Correspondent Barry Bagnato reports police and federal agents were focusing not on an apartment complex across the street from the bus but on a small neighborhood park next to the bus stop, as police helicopters hovered over the scene. Bagnato reports that although there's no panic in the voices of the people who live across the street from the shooting, many resident speculate the serial killer is from the area. Dogs were being used to comb a wooded patch where presumably the shooter hid, aiming across a basketball court into the bus, where the driver was struck. The location is near the sites of the first six sniper attacks, all on Oct. 2 and 3. In all, 12 people have been shot in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C.; three were critically wounded. We remain concerned about the safety of all the people in our region, Moose said Tuesday. We realize that the person or the people involved in this have shown a clear willingness and ability to kill people of all ages, all races, all genders, all professions, different times, different days and different locations. I was getting ready to leave for work this morning. I heard a loud bang, said Kim Roberts, a carpenter who lives nearby. It wasn't a pop like a handgun. If it was a gun, it was a high-powered weapon. He said he knew about the sound of weapons from his military service. CBS Radio Affiliate WTOP reports another eyewitness said he heard three shots, which is unusual since the sniper has been known for firing once. The most recent shooting blamed on the sniper critically wounded a 37-year-old man Saturday night outside a steakhouse in Ashland, Virginia. On Monday, police said they received a call about the attack, hinting it was from the sniper, but that the call was muddled. The person you called could not hear everything you said. The audio was unclear and we want to get it right. Call us back so that we can clearly understand, said Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose, who has been leading the hunt. Moose did not disclose who received the muddled phone call, when it was made or other details. But investigators believe the call may have come from the sniper and that the caller was the person who left a note and phone number at the scene of Saturday night's shooting, a law enforcement source told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. A senior law enforcement official speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity said Tuesday the letter found near the scene of Saturday night's sniper shooting in Virginia
Re: [CTRL] Re2 : CNN Involved in Jesus Box Hoax
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: magnetic field [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: [CTRL] Re2 : CNN Involved in Jesus Box Hoax -Caveat Lector- In the latin languages Jesus is pronounced like HEY Zeus (in case you didn't know) ### - Original Message - From: magnetic field To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Cc: Joseph Gemmato ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: Re: CNN Involved in Jesus Box Hoax I was raised in a Roman Catholic Orphanage. Now I worship God as I please (I am a very open minded christian and don't follow any one denomination). Friends have asked me why the Roman Catholic crucifix has the sign nailed above the head of Jesus that says INRI. What it means is Ieshua Nazarene Rex Israel (translated Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews). The reason I believe this discovery is a hoax is that His name was not Jesus. It is a bad translation of His name. The name was Yeshua (a form of the name Joshua) in Aramaic and Ieshua (to the Greco- Roman world). === The name on the box is written in Aramaic and is pronounced Yhshu(a). The real name of Jesus. All the names are correct. If the box is a fraud, it's not for this reason. J2 === The name Jesus is a corruption by people who were hard-pressed to pronounce His name. (Personally I believe that the name Jesus was a blending of the God symbols Jesus and Zeus (many pagan gods had changed over the years when incorporated into other cultures for instances comparing Greek and Roman gods of mythology). Also the name Joseph (Joses in Aramaic). His name would have been Yeshua bar Joses (Yeshua son of Joses). Naturally this would have been very confusing at a time in history of no surnames (what we call last names). These were very common names at the time. His mother's name Mary (Miriam in Aramaic) was common also. The King James Bible names four brothers and un-named sisters. The Romam Catholic Church teaches that these had to be children of a previous marriage of Joses. The Bible does say that after the birth of (Yeshua) His mother (Miriam) was a wife to (Joses) implying all the legal and social expectations of a loving marriage up to and assuming the possible presence of other siblings. This would not bother my faith at all if (Yeshua) had other brothers and sisters instead of being the only son of (Miriam) and (Joses). Instead we have this notion of (Yeshua) being the only begotten son of God. But even the New Testament traces His Family tree through (Joses) being of the Line of David which makes no sense at all if (Joses) was not His legal or biological father. Can someone comment of this subject??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] # A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let
Re: [CTRL] CNN Involved in Jesus Box Hoax
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: [CTRL] CNN Involved in Jesus Box Hoax -Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.voxnyc.com/archives/0037.htm;http://www.voxnyc.com/arc hives/0037.htm/A CNN Involved in Jesus Box Hoax News service is major pipeline for Illuminati propaganda by voxfux Now, when these Illuminati, New World Order, types want to inject a lie directly into the brains of billions of people simultaneously - CNN is one stop shopping. The indicators which are surfacing, point to only one conclusion - That indeed the CIA has full and total control of CNN news operations and has transformed the news organization into an instrument of the righ religous orders and billionaires they currently answer to. A few months back, this religous order needed to build a stronger case against Osama Bin Laden, (to temporarily prop up their flagging puppet Bush, so what did they do? Through CNN they Discovered us' some juicy dog gassing murder tapes just in time to distract us from what a dismal world it has become since this agent for the illuminati religous order, George Bush, siezed the reigns of power. Now it's the Jesus Box! We at voxnyc like Jesus. But we don't like lies, especially one's so obvious as like this one is. Nowhere in the article does it mention that although the box may indeed be 2000 years old, the name jesus, scratched into it could have been done a couple weeks ago. NOT ONE MENTION. And isn't it funny how all this evidence can never be traced to where it was originated from. The Jesus box was allegedly purchaced from a (now defunct) antique dealer 15 years ago. Like the Osama evidence, Just found, in a house in Afghanistan. CNN must be dismantled any way possible. It refines reality down to the purest form of lie. It is an instrument of the dark force. Here's the lie directly from the religous order, through their agents at CNN: We at voxnyc like Jesus. But we don't like lies, especially one's so obvious as like this one is. No where in the article does it mention that although the box may indeed be 2000 years old the name jesus, scratched into it could have been done a couple weeks ago. NOT ONE MENTION. And isn't it funny how all this evidence can never be traced to where it was originated from. The Jesus box was allegedly purchaced from a (now defunct) antique dealer 15 years ago. CNN must be dismantled any way possible. It refine reality down to the purest form of lie. It is an instrument of the dark force. = HA HA HA HA YHA HA HA HA HA HA. Good thinking dude. The Dark Force is out to get your myth. I love to watch you superstitionists squirm. J2 Here's the hoax as issued by the religous order, through their agent at CNN: A HREF=http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/21/jesus.box/index.html;http: //www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/21/jesus.box/index.html/A See if you can see through the lies. voxfux A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIANS FORCED INTO ISLAMIC SCHOOLS
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Prudy L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIANS FORCED INTO ISLAMIC SCHOOLS -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/22/2002 5:26:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have personally seen videos of children in kindergarten being taught to kill Jews. That is what the children of Christians will learn if forced to attend the schools run by Yasser Arafat. This is really strange considering how well the Christians are treated in Turkey. I have seen children of primary school age who thought killing Jews was a great idea and said they would do it if it became possible, but they were the children of some strange Christian sect in the United States. I think this was on a Donahue program (one of the old ones), and I recall his expression--an odd mixture of disbelief and horror. I don't recall the name of the Christian group any longer. Prudy Are you getting senile Prudy? It's not that they are Muslim like the Turks. It's that they are Arabs/Palestinians. Buy the way. Are you aware that the Turks really hate Arabs? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sollog: Maryland Shootings a SATANIC SACRIFICE!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sollog: Maryland Shootings a SATANIC SACRIFICE! -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/14/02 7:17:31 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is total and complete bullshit! Utterly bullshit. Idiotic psychoreligious paranoia. Typical of screwed up brains like Shannon's. You sure are hostile!! Take a handful of Seconal and wash it down with a bottle of Manichevitz why don't ya? Bill. Sorry. That's not how we deal with stuff. However I do understand why you would suggest it. Ya know I remeber a time when you were failry bright. What happened to you? Not that I care. Just curious. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sollog: Maryland Shootings a SATANIC SACRIFICE!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: [CTRL] Sollog: Maryland Shootings a SATANIC SACRIFICE! This is total and complete bullshit! Utterly bullshit. Idiotic psychoreligious paranoia. Typical of screwed up brains like Shannon's. Joshua2 -Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html;http://www.davidicke.com/i cke/index1c.html/A Maryland Shootings a SATANIC SACRIFICE! Map of Shootings shows CROSS OF SATAN Written By D.E. Alexander A HREF=http://www.247news.net/;24 7 News Net /A24 7 News Net - The Alternative News Wire Join our emailing list A HREF=http://www.247news.net/freeupdates.shtml;http://www.247news.net/freeu pdates.shtml/A 24 7 News Net - The Alternative News Wire October 4th, 2002 Update October 9th, 2002 (Psychic Sollog names next locations of Sniper! Click Here for Article on A HREF=http://www.247news.net/2002/sniper.shtml;Sollog's Future Sniper Location Warning/A Update October 11th, 2002 (Sniper Strikes where famous Psychic WARNED!) Click Here for Article on A HREF=http://www.247news.net/2002/sniper.shtml;Sollog's Accurate Warning/A I was doing an interview today with the world famous mystic known as A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A who I have written a couple of books about. A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A is an expert on occult matters and symbols. The reason I was interviewing A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A once again, was that he put the details of yesterday's devastating hurricane into a public court statement SEVEN YEARS AGO TODAY! His statement of October 4th 1995 warned that LOUISIANA would be hit by a major hurricane near New Orleans. Yesterday Lili fulfilled his warning LITERALLY! Close to 2 Billion in damages occurred within 100 miles of New Orleans in Louisiana. Now my interview with A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A about Hurricane Lili is featured in another story on this site. However, this story about the Maryland Shootings is needed since my interview today took an unexpected direction when I asked him about the 5 DEADLY SHOOTINGS in Maryland. A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A said matter-of-factly, The shootings were a SATANIC SACRIFICE performed by a special ops soldier of the US Government who works for a demonic part of the US Government that wishes to take away guns from US Citizens. This same part of the US Government is controlled by a SECRET SATANIC SOCIETY similar to SKULL AND BONES, the SATANIC SOCIETY that George W. Bush and his father belongs to! These SECRET SATANIC SOCIETIES are out to create their NEW WORLD ORDER that is based upon worship of SATAN and THE RAMS HEAD! Taking guns from US Citizens is a necessary part of their SATANIC PLAN to control the world! If you map out the locations of the FIVE SHOOTINGS the locations form THE CROSS OF ST. PETER or the UPSIDE DOWN CROSS that Satanic cults use in their rituals! The number five represents the points of a PENTAGRAM, the sign of a SATANIC SACRIFICE! Two of the victims were CHOSEN since they have RAMS in their names. RAMOS and MARTIN are two of the victims. These names fit the same pattern of the rash of US Kidnappings that all had RAMS or MARS in their names! (See our articles on how the recent US Kidnappings are connected) RAMS are the sacrificial sign of SATAN and MARS is the planetary sign these SATANIC CULTS use in these sacrifices! A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A later sent me a map of the Shootings to verify his claims. Sure enough the map of the area near Washington DC shows an UPSIDE DOWN CROSS in the locations of the shootings! So there you have it, a RASH OF SATANIC SHOOTINGS by an expert marksman who used only one bullet in each SACRIFICE. Didn't Ari Fleischer just mention ONE BULLET the other day? How brazen the SATANISTS like Bush are to have warned of this event to the press the other day! You can interpret the Ari Fleischer comment now as, ONE BULLET SACRIFICES ARE COMING right near DC. I wonder how m any congressmen and senators are now SO SCARED that they will vote to take away GUNS from the citizens of the USA and leave them only in the hands of the Satanists running DC? As I mentioned above, I've written a couple of books about A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A they are below as well as links to his web site A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;http://www.Sollog.com/A A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A was heavily investigated by the FBI for his accurate 911 warning. The book I wrote about the Sollog 911 Warning is at A HREF=http://www.1ebooks.com/911; http://www.1ebooks.com/911/A The book I wrote about The Prophecies of A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A is at A HREF=http://www.1ebooks.com/prophecies;http://www.1ebooks.com/prophecies/ A A book about The Prophecies of A HREF=http://www.sollog.com/;Sollog/A written by A
Re: [CTRL] SNIPER j2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] SNIPER -Caveat Lector- The really odd thing about this is the refusal of the media and officials to call the sniper(s) terrorists. That's RIGHT! I live right smack in the middle of the killings. This place is terrorized, and people are seriously altering their normal lives. To date, only Cliff Van Zandt the ex-FBI profiler has stated publically on TV that this is terrorism. Nevertheless, every person I speak with considers it a possibility. I think I know why they are not using the T word. I'll give you a hint. It's the same reason that the Mayor of the town in Jaws didn't use the S word. J2 The very definition of a terrorist is one who intentionally creates terror. When it involves killings (assassinations) there are two kinds of terrorism differing in intent and the targets chosen. The clue to the intent may be in the targets chosen. One kind of terrorism is by the government itself. The intent is to persuade the populace that opposition is dangerous and futile. In these cases the targets chosen would be those known to be in opposition to the government or not actively supporting it. This is the kind of terror Lenin unleashed in the Soviet Union after the Bolshevik hijacking of the Russian revolution. The second brand of terrorism is aimed at toppling the existing government. The killings are necessarily random and have two hoped for effects. The first is to force the government to institute increasingly repressive measures in an attempt to provide security to the populace. The second is to alienate the population from its government because of the repression and the perception that the current government is not capabale of protecting them. Eventually this leads to the overthrow of the existing government by the (clandestine) terrorists who promise security without the repression. Of course there is a gray area between the two kinds of terrorism. The government could be sponsoring the terrorism to justify more repressive measures which consolidate its control. In this case the terrorism would be random but would cease at some point before the resentment reached critical mass. No doubt the current terrorism will be used to push for disarmament of the civilian population. That is a necessity for complete government control and to make a mis-judgment by the government of the point of critical mass less likely to result in a successful revolution. It is not yet clear where the current killings by the sniper(s) fit into the spectrum of terrorism. JR - Original Message - From: Mermaid To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:48 AM Subject: [CTRL] SNIPER -Caveat Lector- Dont you get this feeling that this sniper attacking Maryland and surrounding areas is a little surreal. We havent had a lot of news on it here but from what I gather the reason they say they have not captured this man is because he uses a high velocity long range gun. Surely this is a nonsense! These sort of guns hav been used before in assasinations and mass shootings and they have always caught the perpertrator even though we know the person captured is either mind controlled or innocent. Why is this so different? We were treated to a duo report today one on what is happening out there and i could feel the fear of the people,and two a piece on sniper clubs and their popularity out there. Which leads us to question is this a test in fear and reaction of the public to such a crime thereby whipping up an anti gun feeling so as to stop this popular sniper club following? When We had this shooting in dunblaine in Scotland there was no discussion with gun clubs they just went ahead and banned handguns which further fuelled the black market for more business.If someone wants a gun badly enough they will find it in my opinion and this knee jerk reaction of the british government has to be seen as an outright intimidation of people rights. An unarmed public is a public at the mercy of the power brokers.We cannot defend ourselves in a crisis and that I believe is the key to this. The British people put up and shut up but the american citizens who have held guns for years to protect themselves may not give in so easily. So is this sniper situation being theatrically staged to bring fear to America and a way of forcing the people to vote guns out. After all what are a few dead people in comparison to 9/11! If they can do this to thousands of their own people in 9/11 then this is just fun in a candy shop! The Mermaid England x A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths,
Re: [CTRL] Sniper not a terrorist?.... and nothing to do with oil ? j2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tony Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:42 PM Subject: [CTRL] Sniper not a terrorist? and nothing to do with oil ? -Caveat Lector- I notice that a third of these 'sniper' killings targeted someone at a place where oil is purchased. Coincidence ? T It's a stretch, but possible I guess. They happen at gas stations because the target is standing immobile while pumping gas, AND gas stations are usually well lited. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] well I never did!!!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Mermaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: [CTRL] well I never did!!! -Caveat Lector- http://www.rense.com/general30/iug.htm This article is FAKE! Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Zionism, Anti Semitism and American Democracy
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Mermaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Zionism, Anti Semitism and American Democracy -Caveat Lector- Re: [CTRL] Zionism, Anti Semitism and American DemocracyThew you are partly right in your assesment of christianity being opposed to the thought that christ was jewish. What you have to understand is that Christ wasnt Jewish and he wasnt christian these are just labels.People make their Hero their own denomination === This applies to Christians. Not Jews. Jesus was totally and completely Jewish and nothing else. He was born Jewish. His Parents were Jewish. He lived in a Jewish country. His friends were Jewish. HE CLAIMED TO BE JEWISH. His brothers died defending Jewish Jreusalem from the Romans. AND, he was executed for being a Jewish freedom fighter against Rome. The Romans said he was the King of the Jews. Not the King of the Bhudists. You know NOTHING about this subject. Try something else. Joshua2 = if Christ existed at all it was in the wrong vein. He was an essene a teacher like Buddah. But the Powers in Rome turned it around they needed a way out. I have no doubt he did exist but not in the context we have been led to believe. What about quetzacotl ? The Bible is a hodge Podge of mindcontrolled and carefully disected words and passages. see Nag hammedi scrolls) Look at it this way if you wanted to control christianity and keep the people from asking questions what would you do. It is a well known fact that in england in the middle ages they used christianity to control people to take their money and keep them from asking questions about their true origins. I could go on forever on this subject but it really comes down to the fact that you have to understand that religion is a controlling factor for the powers to control the people Ask yourself this question thew if There was no proof that Jesus existed other than the bible then would there be this trouble in the middle east at the moment and would there have been the wars that have happened related to religion and its manmade divisions? There is no division it is only in the minds of the people who seek to control us. Who gave us the names of Jew Gentile catholic Mormon Jehovahs witness Christian. Its all a control device to get us warring against each other. If god exists if Christ existed then we should all be of one mind not brainwashed into thinking he is this he is that. this is my land promised by god etc., What do you think of reincarnation and the soul and freewill ask yourself these questions and suddenly the field becomes bigger. The Mermaid x - Original Message - From: thew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Zionism, Anti Semitism and American Democracy -Caveat Lector- And on this belief rests 2000 years of anti-Semitism and murder. Poor Christianity can never sit comfortably as long as there are Jews. Every Jews who did not accept Christ as Jewish Messiah is a slap in the face of the Christian worldview on 9/24/02 7:26 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that Judaism made a mistake when it rejected Christ's gospel of Love. -- To be nobody but yourself, in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle that any human being can fight--and never stop fighting. - e.e. cummings NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A
Re: [CTRL] Zionism, Anti Semitism and American Democracy
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Zionism, Anti Semitism and American Democracy -Caveat Lector- And on this belief rests 2000 years of anti-Semitism and murder. Poor Christianity can never sit comfortably as long as there are Jews. Every Jews who did not accept Christ as Jewish Messiah is a slap in the face of the Christian worldview on 9/24/02 7:26 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that Judaism made a mistake when it rejected Christ's gospel of Love. And what? Produce loving dipshits like you? I don't think so. It appears that Christianity made a mistake when it dumped the real Jewish Jesus and replaced him with a Pagan family, and took on the pseudo-canabilistic rituals that were the earmark of the gentile Pagans of the Roman Empire. The result is the loving history of the West/European culture. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/02 8:27:04 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think the US has agents in Israel? Does Israel give us 6 billion bucks a year and protect us from all the people in the world who hate us? Ignorant racist fool. The answer is YES. Joshua2 Bill. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/02 10:27:50 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, Thatâs what we give them - they give us a place to test illegal weapons, and have guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world. Who has guaranteed access to the oil producing regions of the world? Israel? So anyway WE give Israel at least $6,000,000,000 a year and they spy on us and you have the stones to ask if we spy on them? Talk about gall! Bill. Of course we spy on them. What do you think the Liberty was doing when they shot it up? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/02 10:52:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wake up Everyone spies on everyone Not people who owe their very survival on those they're spying on...that show a deeply flawed character. Bill. Fuck you Shannon. Talk about a deeply flawed character. Racist, paranoid, LaRouchie. Did you READ the LaRouche article you posted you dumb schmuck? a 1996 Israeli government policy that is being foisted on the President by a nest of Israeli agents inside the U.S. government. This Israeli spy network inside the United States was unable achieve their objective until President Bush was entrapped by the events of Sept. 11, 2001 and the falsified accounts of those events provided by this foreign intelligence apparatus, and lured over to their policies. Gee. EVERYBODY in the intelligence services are so gullible. Only those really clever Jews could manage to fool evrybody but the even more clever Lyndon LaRouche. On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle, now the Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, an advisory group that reports to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, presented a written document to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, spelling out a new Israeli foreign policy, Now let's analyse this. Israeli spies in the US gov don't present Israeli Prime ministers with a new foreign policy. Israeli Prime Ministers don't make such decisions alone. They work it through their parliaments and must get their backing. This story is ridiculous on its face. If he is not an Israeli spy. Why is an American oficial presenting a foreign SOVEREIGN country's Prime Minister with new foreign policy directives? Who's zooming who? calling for a repudiation of the Oslo Accords and the underlying concept of land for peace; for the permanent annexation of the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip; and for the elimination of the Saddam Hussein regime in Baghdad, as a first step towards overthrowing or destabilizing the governments of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Iran. The document was prepared for the Jerusalem and Washington, DC-based Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS), a think tank financed by Richard Mellon-Scaife. You mean the Zionist Richard Mellon-Scaife? Or the Ultra-conservative Richard Mellon-Scaife. There IS NO Zionist Richard Mellon-Scaife. The report, A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, was co-authored by Perle; Douglas Feith, currently the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy; David Wurmser, currently special assistant to State Department chief arms control negotiator John Bolton; and Meyrav Wurmser, now Director of Mideast Policy at the Hudson Institute. All these clowns are the super-hawks of the Reagan era. Some of them are Jews. But the point is that they are different from the Liberal Globalists who have historically been pro-Arab. The guys in the Clinton administration. The land for peace guys. The Oslo guys. Two days after he received the foreign policy blueprint from Perle, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu delivered a speech before a joint session of the U.S. Congress, which strongly echoed the IASPS outline. The same day, the Wall Street Journal published excerpts from the IASPS document, and the next day, July 11, 1996, the Journal editorially endorsed the Perle document. Beginning in February 1998, the British government of Prime Minister Tony Blair launched a concerted effort, in league with the Netanyahu government in Israel, and the Perle Israeli agent-of-influence networks inside the United States, to induce President William Clinton to launch a war against Iraq, under precisely the terms spelled out for Netanyahu in the Clean Break paper. The war was to be launched, ostensibly, over Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction. United Nations weapons inspectors were, at this time, still on the ground inside Iraq. And it all went away untill September 11 2001, when Arab terrorists attacked the USA and killed 3000 Americans. In addition to that the Oslo Peace process totally backfired into violent terrorist, and counter terrorist conflict. Everything that the NWO elites tried with the Arabs was falling apart. And that pretty much ended 55 years of ALWAYS pro-Saudi, and SOMETIMES pro-Israel policies. The Arabs couldn't get their shit together. They were violent, corrupt and stupid. They hated the USA in a way which couldn't be covered up anymore. And so it was time to take the bull by the balls and get rid of these useless proxies and take over the region by force. With out anyone to stop it, the US has a rare window of opportunity to do anything it wants to. It want's to remove control of the Gulf's oil from their flaky,
Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NEST OF ISRAELI AGENTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT --j2 -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/02 6:14:00 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course we spy on them. What do you think the Liberty was doing when they shot it up? Are you suggesting that what was done to the Liberty is ok? Why not make that suggestion to the survivors and the families of the victims? I'd love to see that! Bill. Don't play games jerkoff. The question was do WE spy on Israel. My answer was yes. The Liberty being that example. Nowhere in my response above do I say it was ok. But if that was indeed the case, then ANY country has the right to protect itself. As for telling the the relatives and survivors, they all knew the risks of being in the military on a spy ship. And the other question is what made it OK for the individuals on the Liberty to spy on an ally and pass the information to Israel's enemies WHILE THEY WERE FIGHTING A WAR? Is that ok Shannon? Who is screwing who here? I don't see them or you or ANYBODY else for that matter make a big deal out of an identical situation where our ally Sadam shot up a US spyship in the Gulf while it was spying on him and Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. Sadam said it was an accident, and we dropped the issue. This is what we do when we get caught. The point here is that the US spies on its friends and allies when it wants to. All countries spy on all other countries. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Only 5 ? - J2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Only 5 ? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/02 4:15:06 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone check this out please...surely this cant be correct..only 5 israelis killed? There must have been more than this.Someone has made a mistake here. The Mermaid The five Israeli victims of September 11 A HREF=http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=206420cont rassID=3subContrassID=0sbSubContrassID=0Alona Avraham/A A HREF=http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=206428cont rassID=3subContrassID=0sbSubContrassID=0Leon Lebor/A A HREF=http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=206429cont rassID=3subContrassID=0sbSubContrassID=0Shay Levinhar/A A HREF=http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=206427cont rassID=3subContrassID=0sbSubContrassID=0Daniel Lewin/A A HREF=http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=206430cont rassID=3subContrassID=0sbSubContrassID=0Haggai Sheffi/A Clearly this isn't counting dual-citizens! Bill. What do you mean clearly? There is no clearly. And, it doesn't matter either. If there were dual citizen victims, then it was still an American killed by your boys. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Zionists
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Mermaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: [CTRL] Zionists -Caveat Lector- I have just finished reading Joe Vials Americans Must Stop Whining About 9/11 And now it is all very clear that the Zionist faction of the american government blew up the twin Towers I looked up the 23 protocols and other stuff relating to this and now I am more aware of what we are up against. == Oh Jeez! What is it about this list that draws from an endless source of psycho/morons? Is there nothing you people won't believe? No matter how stupid? = We have a question bugging us on my list at the moment IF there was no flight 77 which went into the pentagon where are the passengers?. == Why, they are floating around up there in the Rapture of course. There WAS a fl77. It did crash into the Pentagon. There is no doubt about it what so ever. Saying otherwise is lying bullshit. Get a grip on reality here Mermaid. J2 === I know you only have 5 chances to post but if you could email me privately with your thoughts on this i would really appreciate it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thankyou. The Mermaid PS I made a typing error on my epistle I dont believe in God it should have read Is it better to beleive in a god you cannot see or the truth you can see sorry (someone just pointed it out to me. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Zionists
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Zionists -Caveat Lector- 9/12/02 11:29:04 AM, Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a grip on reality here Mermaid. Reality is an increasingly subjective term. Like Mel Gibson done did say, most of them might be wrong but at least one of 'em has to be right. Yeah well. Mel Gibson is a moron too. And the worst overpaid actor in Hollywood. Really now. Quoting Mel Gibson. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conservatism is Pretend Salt!
-Caveat Lector- This is stupid superstitious drivel. Keep it in Church dude. And the best salt is on pretzels. J2 - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:53 AM Subject: [CTRL] Conservatism is Pretend Salt! -Caveat Lector- Conservatism is Pretend Salt! By Flip Benham Updated June 10, 2002 As Christians we are called to be salt and light in a world that is rotting on the inside from the consequences of sin, and attacked on the outside by an enemy (the devil) who has come to rob, kill, and destroy. The world, in all of its wisdom, is in utterly helpless and without hope in this battle - no answers, no solutions, no way! One need only listen to the talking heads and politicians of our day to realize they are clueless. The catastrophic events in the Mid-East, 9-11, bloodshed coursing down the corridors of our streets, workplaces, and schools - oh, what to do! Violence is filling our land! It is into this hopeless, decaying world that the Church of Jesus Christ is called to bring salt and light. We do battle with the sin that destroys from within and the enemy who destroys from without. We are called to take captive our thoughts and make them obedient unto Christ (2 Cor. 10:5). Then we are called to crush the head of the enemy robbing, killing, and destroying (Gen. 3:15, Rom. 16:20). The Church of Jesus Christ is the only institution ordained by God to fight this battle against the sin raging from within, and the devil raging from without. It is the only true salt and our only hope for victory. Unfortunately, the salt has abdicated its responsibility to be salt in the earth and light in the world. It has become good for nothing except to be, trampled under the feet of men (Matt. 5:13). Not only are we being trampled under the feet of sworn enemies of our Lord who support abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, ad nauseum, we are also being trampled under the feet of another so-called friend - CONSERVATISM! As our nation attempts to defeat the spirit of murder presently savaging our land, the Church of Jesus Christ has delegated the job to one who cannot win the battle. Enter modern day conservatism! Conservatism looks like salt, talks like salt, acts like salt, seeks the vote and friendship of salt, yet, when the test of taste comes, it is revealed for what it really is - a tasteless enabler of perdition! That's right! Conservatism enables true salt to remain in the shaker while it attempts pragmatic deal making with an enemy bent on destroying God's children. Conservatism will work hard on bills like partial birth abortion, parental notification, etc., but will never stand firm for all children whether they are six months old in the womb or two seconds old. Conservatism is a pathetic substitute for the vibrant salt of real Christianity. Conservatism poses no threat to the enemy from within (sin) or the enemy from without (the devil). Rush Limbaugh, the penultimate conservative, has no problem supporting conservatives like Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison, even though he knows her to be pro-abortion, because she is a fiscal conservative. Rush believes that conservatism is the answer to America's woes. Rush will sacrifice Christian principle to elect conservatives Right to Life organizations in the state of Texas worked hard a couple of years ago getting the parental notification bill passed and signed into law by then Governor George W. Bush. It was hailed as a great victory for the pro-life movement. Florence Shapiro, however, the state senator who authored the bill, was Republican, conservative, and pro-abortion! Yet she is now considered a friend to the pro-life community. Conservatism thrives in this muddying of the waters. Conservatism will confront the enemy with the evil he promotes but, on the day of battle, will always retreat. Conservatism always tries to reason and compromise with the enemy seeking some common ground or reaching across the aisle. Conservatism is politics' answer to Christianity. Its modus operandi is pragmatism. Principle is abandoned and obtaining and maintaining political office is its summum bonum. In order to become more appealing these days it calls itself Compassionate Conservatism. If you have been watching our President and his administration lately you will note the waffling, pandering, compromising, ad nauseam of Christian principles to the god of conservatism. If conservatism is the hired gun of the Church to take on her political enemies, it is a pitiful squirt gun. How the devil must laugh! Just watch him laugh through Yasser Arafat, Ted Kennedy, the abortion industry, the radical homosexual agenda, Tom Daschel. They serve their god with absolute allegiance. They know that they can count on conservatism to sell her god' for thirty pieces of silver and political office. The result of the Church of Jesus Christ allowing conservatism to fight the battle savaging
Re: [CTRL] Conservatism is Pretend Salt!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Conservatism is Pretend Salt! -Caveat Lector- At 10:46 PM 9/1/02 , you wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is stupid superstitious drivel. Keep it in Church dude. And the best salt is on pretzels. J2 Another outstanding critique, joshie troll too. Keep your thoughts at home dudie. Your intelligent commentary, critical thinking, intricate debating skills, and ability to dissect integrate concepts are only surpassed by your PC dullness. Why thank you. Thank you ver' much. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Doctor arrested in Florida is a 'terrorist,' too
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: [CTRL] Doctor arrested in Florida is a 'terrorist,' too -Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/outlook/1552559;http: //www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/outlook/1552559/A Aug. 28, 2002, 6:52PM Doctor arrested in Florida is a 'terrorist,' too By ARSALAN TARIQ IFTIKHAR ACCORDING to the FBI, a Florida doctor arrested after police found more than 15 homemade explosive devices in his home allegedly drafted a detailed plan to blow up an Islamic educational center. The search of Robert J. Goldstein's residence also turned up a list of about 50 Islamic worship centers in the Tampa-St. Petersburg area and other locations in Florida. Attached to the criminal complaint against Goldstein was a three-page mission template for an attack on an unidentified Islam education center, which included a map of the center showing where bombs would be placed. Referring to Webster's Dictionary, terrorism is defined as the unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. According to the damning evidence against the Florida podiatrist, there should be absolutely no hesitation in classifying Goldstein as a terrorist. I agree. If his intent was to harm Muslims, he IS a terrorist and should be charged as one. J2 Yet, in news coverage from The Associated Press to CNN, there was not one mention of the word terrorist. However, if we change one facet of this scenario, we would have a completely different ballgame. Instead of Goldstein, let's say his name was Dr. Muhammad. Assume the same bomb materials were found in the same Florida home. Instead of blueprints of Islamic centers and mosques, his house was littered with floor plans of more than 50 synagogues and Jewish day schools. In addition to the blueprints and the arsenal, there were scattered pages of his manifesto that claimed to eliminate all traces of Judaism from America. Surely, one would be hard pressed to find one person alive who would not consider the hypothetical man above a terrorist. So why the double standard? There was not one mention of Goldstein's religion or political affiliation in any of the media outlets. It would follow a simple logical progression that his fiery hatred of Muslims was either fueled by a dogmatic or political doctrine. Was Goldstein a Jewish extremist who wanted to rid this country of all rags? Was he a member of a militia group aimed at targeting those affiliated with the terrorists of last September? We don't know, because no one made his political or religious affiliation an issue. On the contrary, the media wasted no time in classifying as a possible terrorist Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, the man responsible for the shooting at the El Al counter at Los Angeles International Airport in July. Is it even POSSIBLE for an Arab/Muslim reporter to NOT LIE. Even when he has a good case? Hadayet was NOT charged as a terrorist or even called one. As a matter of fact, it was downplayed by the authorities. It was the backlash by Jews and Israelis which made it an issue at all. J2 Hadayet, a disgruntled limousine driver from Egypt, was automatically categorized as a possible terrorist because he was an Egyptian Muslim. In a rare flash of brilliance, the FBI cautioned the media against the classifcation. All evidence points to the fact that he was just a discontented limo driver who unjustly took his frustration out on innocent civilians. There were no AK-47s found in his home, no treatise on his hatred of a religious or ethnic group. Yet, Hadayet was vilified as a possible terrorist, while the extent of Goldstein's vilification was that he was a podiatrist from Tampa. Not all terrorists are Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorists. I know it's hard to believe, but mass violence in the advancement of a personal, religious or political agenda is not something exclusive to the Islamic paradigm. Before Osama bin Laden became the most infamous terrorist known to America, Timothy McVeigh used his perverted political agenda to slaughter 168 innocents, including many children, who were playing at the day-care center in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on that fateful day in 1995. Last year, Irv Rubin, chairman of the Jewish Defense League, plotted to blow up a Los Angeles mosque and the office of a U.S. congressman. If these dastardly men are not guilty of terrorism, then no one can be honestly deemed a terrorist. The incarceration of Goldstein shows quite vividly that terrorism knows no color or religion. If we want to be consistent with the Justice Department's current trend in the war on terrorism, we
Re: [CTRL] The JESUIT Protocols
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:57 AM Subject: [CTRL] The JESUIT Protocols -Caveat Lector- PROTOCOLS of the LEARNED ELDERS of ZION The Zionists-the Jesuits are the Great Zionists. They control all of the historical High Zionists-Theodor Herzl, David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir. Zionism is a Masonic term, coined by the Jesuits. They are the rulers; they are the Protocols. The Jesuits are the Learned Elders of Zion. So the Zionists are, indeed, evil and wicked; but they are controlled by Rome. The Jews are not all Zionists. http://www.geocities.com/lord_visionary/illuminatiprotocols.htm see also: http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/Protocol.htm The Jesuit Oath is similar to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols because they have carried out every protocol in that little handbook. They have carried everything out. Indeed there are different Protocols, there may be as many as 20 or 30 Protocols. That is not so important as it is to understand that ALWAYS the Protocols further the agenda of the Jesuit Order. == This is TOTALLY IDIOTIC bullshit. You don't have the slightest clue about Jesuits or Zionism or anything for that matter. You are one DUMB racist muther! DUMB!!! J2 It was the huge gulag system, the huge concentration camp system, that gave the Jesuits practice to do this in Europe, and the plan is to do it SOON in America. The big thing was, that using the Protocols, the Jesuits were able to blame it all on the Jews. A demonic masterpiece. -- -iNFoWaRZ The mice in the maze are very happy. They are pleased with the freedom they have as they travel through the many corridors of their maze. And sufficient food is always found at various locations within the maze. And they give not a thought about the hands that put them in the maze or that feeds them. None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. History is the lie commonly agreed upon, -Voltaire A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The JESUIT Protocols
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Kalivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The JESUIT Protocols -Caveat Lector- OK, where do they come from? Who cares. They are a silly fabrication. It doesn't matter if the Evil Controllers are Jews, or Jesuits, or Reptiles. This particular crap appears to be by antiCatholics. J2 This is TOTALLY IDIOTIC bullshit. You don't have the slightest clue about Jesuits or Zionism or anything for that matter. You are one DUMB racist muther! DUMB!!! J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Feds Require ID for Transit Workers -j2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Feds Require ID for Transit Workers -Caveat Lector- Well J2, I would expect this out of you. I may be an idiot, but you a Communist. You're sure right about the first half of your sentence, but not the second half. Unlike you, idiot, I have experienced communism and rejected it. Just so you know. Only a pathetic moron would put their freedom and safety in the hands of the people of Boston. Slave talk: theoretical concepts of ' freedom'. You're not free you dumbbell. You never were. You just have some ideological notion, and think IT is more important than life itself. You are worse than an idiot. You are a delusional idiot. With a computer. By the way, the articles I post are for people that care about freedom, not for those that have already given theirs up. What the hell are you talking about? You don't know me or how I live. Enjoy your National ID that's coming, Slave. -iNFoWaRZ National ID's don't bother me. Idiots with computers bother me. J2 == 8At 01:21 PM 8/24/02 , you wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 11:16 AM Subject: [CTRL] Feds Require ID for Transit Workers -Caveat Lector- Another stepping stone to a National ID. Federal Government is Branding the Slaves. All to protect you from those mean bad boogiemen like Osama and Saddam, both of which are on the CIA payroll. But don't worry, Government will protect you, just give up all your freedom. You are an idiot. --- Feds Require ID for Transit Workers By Associated Press August 24, 2002, 6:19 AM EDT BOSTON -- The Transportation Security Administration is developing a mandatory identification card for every transit worker with access to secure areas of the nation's transportation system. This is a GOOD thing idiot. At least for the people of Boston. Or should they risk THEIR lives for your theoretical concepts of ' freedom'. J2 The TSA, created after the Sept. 11 attacks, is developing cards for every trucker, dock worker, airport employee and mass transit employee with access to secure areas, The Boston Globe reported in Saturday's editions. This is our top issue, and we are going to be making serious progress on it soon, said Elaine Charney, branch chief of transportation infrastructure for the agency's maritime and land security division. The cards would likely use a form of biometric identification, gleaned from the user's eyes, voice, palms or fingerprints. The American Civil Liberties Union, which opposed national identification and driver's license proposals, would likely support the transit identification cards, said Barry Steinhardt, director of the group's technology and liberty program. If the agency chooses a proven biometric technology, the card would create a positive good with few, if any, civil liberties downsides, he said. Charney said it currently it appears that higher-risk transportation workers, such as those in secure zones at airports and those handling hazardous cargo, would be required to get the cards. We just have to iron out some details, Charney said. We are certain it's coming. The number of truck drivers alone who could be required to carry the card could easily rise to the hundreds of thousands, said Dave Osiecki, vice president for safety and operations for the American Trucking Association. According to federal statistics there are 3.1 million truckers in the country. Osiecki said members of the trucking association largely support the idea. The devil is in the details, but we are interested in knowing who we hire, who we have picking up the product and who delivers it. This is a significant security concern, Osiecki said. On the net: http://www.tsa.gov Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press -end article- - -iNFoWaRZ Now who is more of a threat to your freedom? a. Bin Laden b. Saddam c. Bush and Homeland Security Dump the USA/Patriot Act Sign the Petition: Immediate and Total Repeal of the USA/Patriot ACT Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/sabene/petition.html Fight the New World Order and do your part to take back our country! Join the InfoWars Network at http://infowars.net A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different
Re: [CTRL] Selective Memri
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Prudy L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: [CTRL] Selective Memri -Caveat Lector- Selective Memri And your point is.? Memri has never been less than totally accurate in its translations. It doesn't make up lies like the Arab press does. It doesn't alter in any way what the Arab press writes. They are smart enough to know that the best propaganda is truth. Joshua2 Brian Whitaker investigates whether the 'independent' media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems Monday August 12, 2002 The Guardian Quote: For some time now, I have been receiving small gifts from a generous institute in the United States. The gifts are high-quality translations of articles from Arabic newspapers which the institute sends to me by email every few days, entirely free-of-charge. The organisation that makes these translations and sends them out is the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri), based in Washington but with recently-opened offices in London, Berlin and Jerusalem. Its work is subsidised by US taxpayers because as an independent, non-partisan, non- profit organisation, it has tax-deductible status under American law. Memri's purpose, according to its website, is to bridge the language gap between the west - where few speak Arabic - and the Middle East, by providing timely translations of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew media. Despite these high-minded statements, several things make me uneasy whenever I'm asked to look at a story circulated by Memri. First of all, it's a rather mysterious organisation. Its website does not give the names of any people to contact, not even an office address. The reason for this secrecy, according to a former employee, is that they don't want suicide bombers walking through the door on Monday morning (Washington Times, June 20). This strikes me as a somewhat over-the-top precaution for an institute that simply wants to break down east- west language barriers. The second thing that makes me uneasy is that the stories selected by Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel. I am not alone in this unease. Unquote. Apparently it is not only Greeks bearing gifts that we need to beware of. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] SNET: Deconstructing Hispanic Anti-Semitism j2
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] SNET: Deconstructing Hispanic Anti-Semitism -Caveat Lector- Maybe it has to do with Hispanics holding pro-Christian beliefs while Semites hold anti-Christian beliefs. Easy to understand, eh? As easy to understand as the proverbial taco in front of the face. POC Is that you brainfarting here Poley? Are you STILL ALIVE? Why? Don't you have something better to do? With just the tiniest application of suicide, YOU COULD MEET JESUS! Now isn't that more appealing than arguing with Jews about religion? Really Poley. I only have your best interest at heart. Your pal, Chuck U. Farley (J2) On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Archibald Bard wrote: - SNETNEWS Mailing List Deconstructing Hispanic Anti-Semitism Posted 7/24/2002 By Daniel Santacruz A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New documentary evidence points to an Israeli connection to 9/11
-Caveat Lector- Hey Shannon. I was REALLY sorry to hear that your mentor Bill Pierce died. What will you do now? I know original thinking is out of the question. I see this as a sign from god that you should convert and move to Israel. Then you can finally be on the side THAT WILL RULE THE WORLD!! AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Sorry, got carried away there. Joshua2 = - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] New documentary evidence points to an Israeli connection to 9/11 -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/26/02 10:22:12 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: t be an ass â the post did not defend Sharon (despite your oh so clever edit ), and the target, as you well know, has the death of children on his hands as well. So the TARGET has nine deaths on his hands when it's a Palestinian who's the target?? I see how this game is played...um hum, all so very clear now! It's a classic double standard! Bill. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] *Nation* Watering their booze
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] *Nation* Watering their booze -Caveat Lector- I don¹t see how ramming a plane into the WTC would stop the building of a pipeline in Afghanistan. Assuming everything in the book was true, I don¹t see how anyone could expect that particular action would lead to the result they wanted. It doesn¹t add up. I think that the idea was to start a war between the Islamic world and the West where the West would not be successful in establishing itself in the region. Don't forget that the key was getting Pakistan on our side when it had always been the main supporter of Al-Quieda and the Talliban. The US gambled that there would be no Clash of Civilizations at that time. They were right. But it aint over yet. Joshua2 on 7/24/02 3:51 AM, Alamaine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0230/cotts.php Press Clips by Cynthia Cotts Laundering the 'Truth' 'The Nation' Defuses a French Bombshell July 24 - 30, 2002 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Socialism at work: ...3,2,1,0 - The self destruction of the NWO.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: M.A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Socialism at work: ...3,2,1,0 - The self destruction of the NWO. -Caveat Lector- MJ The NWO has NOTHING to do with capitalism. Your an idiot. Jim When using the word capitalism it should be modified by an adjective. There are several kinds of capitalism which is merely the accumulation of capital. MJ Nope. Capitalism is an economic system void of government intervention. On which planet? Jim There is state capitalism, e.g. socialism where the state accumulates and owns the capital. MJ This is correctly, as you cite, a version of socialism. Jim There is monopoly capitalism where private individuals with the connivance of government amass huge amounts of capital. MJ This too is a variety of socialism. But NOT a variety of Capitalism? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Jim Finally there is free enterprise capitalism where capital is accumulated based on the entrepeneurship and effort of individuals. ...who steal the benefits of other people's labor. Where this is not the case, there is nothing wrong with it. The minute you profit from someone else's work, you are a thief and a parasite. THIS is the basis of all Capitalism. MJ Capitalism. Regard$, --MJ There is simply no other choice than this: either abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government. Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way. -- Ludwig von Mises This is totally stupid and absurdly, obviously wrong. Everywhere in the world, this is not the case. Ludwig is still dead isn't he MJ? Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LAX Shooting: Daniel Pipes: A 'work dispute' at LAX?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] LAX Shooting: Daniel Pipes: A 'work dispute' at LAX? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/9/02 7:10:19 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By Daniel Pipes Daniel Pipes...what a buffoon. Bill. YOU should have half the brains this buffoon has. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE MEANING OF JENIN
-Caveat Lector- Israel will do just fine. That's because they are the Chosenites and god likes them better. Always has. Quite simple really. Just watch. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Joshua2 - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:33 PM Subject: [CTRL] THE MEANING OF JENIN A HREF=http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html;http://www.antiwar.com/j ustin/justincol.html/A April 22, 2002 THE MEANING OF JENIN Is Israel still part of the West? Jenin â A HREF=http://www.un.org/unrwa/refugees/wb/jenin.html;the name/A is now a A HREF=http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_194/1940 913.stmsynonym/A for the A HREF=http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=286934 brutality of the Israeli war machine/A, and for A HREF=http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:nlJu_1huWWIC:www.msnbc.com/news/7 38491.asp+jenin+masadahl=enthe heroism of the Palestinian people/A as they seek to defend themselves against a merciless assault. The Israelis and their amen corner aren't going to spin their way out of this one, and they know it. A HREF=http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,251-268735,00.html;Here's Janine di Giovanni in the London Times/A: The refugees I had interviewed in recent days while trying to enter the camp were not lying. If anything, they underestimated the the carnage and the horror. Rarely, in more than a decade of war reporting from Bosnia, Chechnya, Sierra Leone, Kosovo, have I seen such deliberate destruction, such disrespect for human life. Using civilians as human shields, the Israelis went on a rampage of vengeance and bloodlust that only ran its course when the streets of Jenin were running with blood â not only the gore of fighters, as the Israelis are now claiming, but that of innocent civilians wantonly murdered. Here's Marie Colvin, of the Times, A HREF=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670151/posts;tracking down the horrific truth/A. Apparently, she had only to â literally â follow her nose: The first medical teams allowed into the Jenin refugee camp last week followed the chickens. Human senses were overwhelmed by the devastation and the stench of death, but the birds were not distracted. They were hungry. Two rusty-colored fowl pecking away at a bundle in the street drew a Red Cross team to the remains of Jamal Sabagh. He wasn't really recognizable to an untrained eye. His body had been lying there for more than a week. The Israeli army had banned ambulances from the camp for 11 days, and neighbors were too terrified to go to him. Tank tracks led to his body, over it and onwards through the mud. What had once been a young man was rotting flesh mingled with shredded clothing, mashed into the earth. One foot was all that looked human. THE HOMICIDE OFFENSIVE Oh, can't you just hear Bill Bennett and his fellow Israel Firsters trying to justify this atrocity? After all, Sabagh was a terrorist, a potential suicide bomber, a fanatic bent on the destruction of Israel, and was killed in the course of what the IDF calls a battle. Except that Sabagh wasn't a fighter. A diabetic too ill to flee, he was also fearful that he might be mistaken for a fighter if he left his house. So he stayed â definitely a mistake: Two days later, he left his house when the Israelis yelled over megaphones that they were going to blow it up. He walked, directed by soldiers in armoured personnel carriers, with other men to Seha Street at the centre of the camp, carrying his bag of medicines. He joined the crowd. Soldiers yelled at him to take off his shirt, then his trousers. He clung to his bag of medicine as he tried to unbuckle his belt, and he was slow. The soldiers shot him, friends say. The editorially pro-Israel Telegraph was A HREF=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F04%2F1 1%2Fwmid111.xmlequally damning/A, with one story headlined A HREF=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F04%2F1 5%2Fwmid115.xmlHorror Stories from the Siege of Jenin/A. Summary executions, including the murder of young children, vicious beatings of women, and a complete disregard for the elementary rules of war, marks the Israelis' Operation Defensive Shield â what a name! â as the devilish work of homicidal maniacs. Why else would the IDF have bulldozed houses, without warning, while whole families were still in them? This was the Homicide Offensive, meant to deliver a death blow to the Palestinian nation. But swiftly burying the bodies under tons of rubble wasn't deep enough: as Nahum Barnea, whom the Telegraph describes as Israel's leading newspaper commentator, put it: If Israel does not find some way to give them a dignified burial, the bodies will bury Israel. A HREF=http://sudeten.bizland.com/Sudetenland1a.htm;SUDETEN/A PALESTINE Barnea recognizes that the main front in the war for a Greater Israel is not on the West Bank, but in the
Re: [CTRL] Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America. In a message dated 4/14/02 1:49:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who the fuck is Benjamin Freedman? Figures that you wouldn't know. I have a copy of his famous letter to Dr. David Goldstein, LL.D. in m possession dated 10/10/54. It's really quite enlightening. You ought to find a copy. Bill. I know exactly who he is. So I say again-Who the fuck is Benjamin Freedman? Just cause you find some convert anti-Jew Jew, doesn't mean that what he says is true. What it does usually mean is that racist schmucks like you latch onto them like like a Lampray on a fish anus. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America.
Who the fuck is Benjamin Freedman? Joshua2 === - Original Message - From: Staffan Enbom To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: [CTRL] Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America. Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America. By Benjamin H. Freedman (1961) Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us - his warning to the West - is more urgent than ever before. - K.A.S. In 1946 he founded the League for Peace and Justice in Palestine. Arnold Forster, a high official of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith or ADL, in his 1988 autobiography Square One, called Benjamin Freedman an affluent, apostate, self-hating Jew. The magazine Commentary (published by the American Jewish Committee) for February, 1955, referred to him as Jewish anti-Semite Benjamin Freedman. Freedman himself stated in 1954: "The word anti-Semitism is another word which should be eliminated from the English language. [The word] anti-Semitism serves only one purpose today. It is used as a smear word. When so-called or self-styled Jews feel that anyone opposes any of their objectives they discredit their victims by applying the word anti-Semite or anti-Semitic through all the channels they have at their command and under their control. I can speak with great authority on that subject. Because so-called or self-styled Jews were unable to disprove my public statements in 1946 with regard to the situation in Palestine, they spent millions of dollars to smear me as an anti-Semite hoping thereby to discredit me in the eyes of the public who were very much interested in what I had to say. Until 1946 I was a little saint to all so-called or self-styled Jews. When I disagreed with them publicly on the Zionist intentions in Palestine I became suddenly Anti-Semite No. 1." Benjamin H. Freedman was in truth a defector from the forces which have been working to destroy our civilization. Contents. Zionists Rule the US The First World War Stalemate in 1916. Zionist Offer to get USA into the War USA Railroaded into World War I after Balfour Declaration Versailles Effect on Germans when they understood Jewish Activity Freedman says World War I was started against Germany German Camps in 1933 Germans fought Jewish Control 1933: Jews Declare Sacred War (and Trade War) on Germany Reichskristallnacht and Rearmament 1961: Nuclear War? For Israel ? Secrecy (e.g. 1916 Zionist deal with USA) can happen again History of 'Jews' Kol Nidre: Evidence of Disloyalty George Washington's Vision Zionists Rule the US Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep. [Back to start] [ Back to Table of Contents] The First World War. What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey. Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean. Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, with one week's food supply
Re: [CTRL] Israel repeating mistakes of apartheid rulers
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israel repeating mistakes of apartheid rulers -Caveat Lector- The Jews built a prosperous, first-world democracy in the desert, which bloomed and was fruitful. The Arabs did what Arabs everywhere have done and set up a kleptocracy with fabulous wealth for a privileged few and squalor or the vast majority. Israel was founded as a European imposed artificial colony that enjoys 'prosperityonly because of massive (100's of BBBillions) in US taxpayer subsidies and armament. Over half that money is a transfer from US tax money to US arms manufacturers. Secondly, Israel's econiomy is about 70 billion $, and it receives 3 bil from the US. They don't need US money. It's a wealth transfer scheme for US corporations done by the State Dept. Israel is only one of MANY countries where this is played out. Especially the combined ARAB world who get more arms than the Israelis do. The Israeli problem would have been solved if we had just divided up the BBBillions among all the European - Israelis and made them all millionaires. They could have retired to Florida leaving the land to the original owners. And who might that be genius??? Surely you don't think it's the Palestinians' do you? And what was once a wealthy First-World country has descended into chaos and poverty, now the murder and rapine capital of the world, soon to be depopulated by AIDS. South Africa was a 'first world country' only for the white minority. For the black majority it was always a third world poverty stricken place with most of the people living in tin shacks. The only 'cure' for AIDs in South Africa (and most poor countries) is protected sex. South Africa has never had a sufficient medical care infrastructure that could provide complicated medical treatment to most of its citizens. If Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, Jim Baker and the Supreme Court hadn't tampered with the results, Al Gore would be president, George Bush would be back in Austin and John Ashcroft would be home reading Southern Partisan magazine. Terry McAuliffe, Democratic National Chairman Anyone that thinks this is important has no rational opinion to offer. Bush, Clinton, Gore - what the hell is the difference??? flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The camp that became a slaughterhouse
-Caveat Lector- Yup. Life is sure tough when you support the longest running terrorist regime ( after the IRA ) in the world, and your glorious leader is the grand daddy of all terrorists Old Uncle Yassir. And you brainwash your kids to become mass murderers. And you set up your bomb factories and arms caches and training areas IN MIDDLE OF YOU MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREAS Sure is tough. Joshua2 == - Original Message - From: Jei [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 7:23 AM Subject: [CTRL] The camp that became a slaughterhouse -Caveat Lector- http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=284823 The camp that became a slaughterhouse By Justin Huggler 14 April 2002 A woman with her leg all but ripped off by a helicopter rocket, the mangled remains hanging on by a thread of skin as she slowly bleeds to death. A 10-year-old boy lying dead in the street, his arm blown off and a great hole in his side. A mother shot dead when she ran into the street to scream for help for her dying son. The wounded left to die slowly, in horrible agony, because the ambulances were not allowed in to treat them. A terrible crime has been committed by Israel in Jenin refugee camp, and the world is turning a blind eye. Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, visited the scene of a suicide bombing that murdered six Israelis in Jerusalem, but he did not visit Jenin, where the Israelis admit they killed at least 100 Palestinians. The Israel army claims all of the dead were armed men, that it took special care to avoid civilian casualties. But we saw the helicopter rockets rain down on desperately crowded areas: civilian casualties could not have been prevented. The Israeli army sealed off the entire area around Jenin yesterday, arresting journalists who ventured into it. That is because they have something to hide in Jenin: the bodies. The Israeli army has told the Israeli courts that it will not start burying the bodies until Sunday. But there are abundant eyewitnesses who say they have already seen the soldiers piling the bodies in mass graves. Hiding the bodies is what Slobodan Milosevic did in Kosovo. Either way, the Palestinians are not allowed to bury their own dead, because Israel does not want the world to see what happened inside Jenin refugee camp. The grieving have no way of knowing where to find the bodies of those they have lost. For nine days, Jenin camp became a slaughterhouse. Fifteen thousand Palestinians lived in a square kilometre in the camp, a packed warren of narrow lanes. Thousands of terrified civilians, women and children, cowered inside their homes while the Israeli helicopters rained down rockets on them and tanks fired shells into the camp. The wounded were left to die. The Israeli army refused to allow ambulances in to treat them, which is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions. The Red Cross has publicly said people have died because Israel blocked the ambulances. Slobodan Milosevic is on trial in the Hague for breaking the Geneva Conventions, while Ariel Sharon shakes Colin Powell's hand for the television cameras. The Geneva Conventions are in tatters in Israel. The Israeli authorities may be able to hide the evidence, but they cannot silence the stories that have been pouring out of those who managed to escape the carnage in the camp. These stories cannot be verified yet, but there are scores of them, and many agree in details. Fikri abu al-Heija was one of those who came out of the carnage in the camp. At the beginning the soldiers came and surrounded the camp with tanks, he says. There were two Apache helicopters. A rocket hit our house ? they were concentrating the rockets on the houses. All the windows were broken by the explosions. All you could hear was explosions. When the rocket hit the house, everybody gathered together on the lower floors. A woman was with us from the second floor who had had her leg almost cut off by the rocket. It was just hanging on by a little piece of skin. We saw the ambulance coming for her but the soldiers stopped it. Six days after the attack, Mr abu al-Heija was captured by the soldiers. They made us take off our clothes and tied us in groups of five with metal wire. As we were walking through the camp we saw demolished houses, burning houses, bodies in the street. Every 10 or 20 metres there was a body. I recognised some. One was a cousin of mine. His name was Ashraf abu al-Heija. The Palestinians have been writing all the accounts like Mr abu al-Heija's down: they are not going to allow what happened at Jenin to be covered up. The Independent on Sunday has seen these meticulous handwritten notes, of which several copies have been made. There are records of everybody who used to live in the camp, and it will be possible to match the missing with the accounts
Re: [CTRL] FW:I am Proud of my Jewish Heritage
-Caveat Lector- This crap below is not written by a Jew. It looks like a sophomoric attempt to piss of Xtians. I've seen it before. It's probably put out by some Arab outfit or neo-nazis. It's really obvious and targeted at their constituency who is terminally dumb. Joshua2 === - Original Message - From: Staffan Enbom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: [CTRL] FW:I am Proud of my Jewish Heritage -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Leah Feinstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 4:28 AM Subject: I am Proud of my Jewish Heritage A friend of mine wrote me and said that there are Christians on this website, http://www.blessedcause.org/ - who do not like Jews and are writing bad things about Jews. Well I just had to come here and respond. First of all let me say that Jews are wonderful people. In my opinion, Jews make America a better place in a 1000 different ways. My friend told me that Jews have been attacked in this forum by a Christian Right-winger and he is wrong, wrong, wrong. Jews are not the CANCER OF AMERICA. It is Christians who are the CANCER OF AMERICA. CHRISTIANS ARE THE REAL NAZI'S IN MODERN AMERICA. For example, look at how much Christians hate *homosexuals. * http://100777.com/homosexuality.htm But Jews show love towards homosexuals, not mean spirited hate like Christians. Jews want homosexuals to have all the civil rights that are afforded to heterosexuals, including the right to marry and adopt children and share health insurance through one spouses job. Jews know that Adolf Hitler was a Christian and we look at what he did. Don't say that he was a *Catholic and therefore he was not a Christian, we have heard that one too many times. The truth is that we need to have more Jews in America and less Christians. The truth is that Hollywood, the ACLU and the Jewish Left have made America a better place by fighting the evil Christian Right. * http://100777.com/pope00.htm For instance, if it were not for Jews and Jewish influence in politics, there would be almost no gun laws on the books. Can you imagine America with no gun control laws? The Jewish Left has proudly fought to get reasonable gun control laws passed and I am sure that most good Christians support gun control laws, don't you? If you are Jewish I know you agree with me that Jews have made America a better place. And if you are a REAL Christian who is tolerant towards homosexuals and people of other religions, I know you also agree with me that the Jewish Left has helped America to become the great nation she is today. Did you know that Adolph Hitler was a Christian? My Rabbi proved it with quotes right from the mouth of Hitler himself. That is why Jews are 100% dedicated to trying to destroy Christianity in America. We look at the destruction of Christianity as the salvation and safety of Jews in America. If you want to see the Adolph Hitler Christian quotes, I will search for them on the Internet and post them. But make no mistake, Christians have tried for 2000 years to destroy the Jews. They have try to convert us by persuasion and by force. They have tortured us and subjected us to Inquisitions and chased us out of nation after nation, century after century. This is a war and we Jews are going to win because the Christian Right does not even know that we are at war with them. This truly is a war and we Jews are going to win because the head in the sand escapist Christian Right is stupid when compared to the brilliant long term strategists who are leading the organizations in the Jewish Left. This is a real war and we Jews are going to win because we are coming in under the radar using stealth technologies of *mind control via the media and the popular culture. Just try to tell the average guy on the street anything that I am telling you and he will laugh in your face because we have him in the palm of our hand and he does not even realize that he is a mind-numbed robot incapable of independent thought. We are almost in total control. It won't be long now. At this point in time our power and control is so strong that we no longer have to hide what we are doing because the soporific masses have been lulled to sleep by their TV's and they will never wake up in time to stop us. We are out in the open now, confident that we cannot be stopped. * http://100777.com/brainwashing.htm My Dad was Jewish and my mom was Catholic, so technically I am not a Jew, but I identify with the Jewish side of my family. I attend synagogue weekly and I plan to dedicate my life to helping Hollywood and the ACLU to destroy Christianity. Right now I am employed in a low-level job in Hollywood, but I have friends who are friends with some of the most important directors and producers in the film industry. Trust
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism / Christian theology
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism / Christian theology -Caveat Lector- Please explain to us how it is that you, as an atheistic jew have a right of return to Ancient Israel, under the Law of Return. POC Because we have modern Israel on the same spot, and we initiated the law of return for Jews. Not complicated is it? If you can wrest away that piece of real estate and hold it, then YOU can initiate a law of return for phony Identity wananbees. Thats how it goes see. J2 On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote: - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism / Christian theology How much Antichristism is rooted in YOUR theology? POC = I dont have a theology. I'm an atheist. J2 == On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote: Melanie Phillips says the Archbishop of Wales is among Churchmen worried that opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism rooted deep in Christian theology The Spectator (UK) 23 March 2002 http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=oldsection=currentissue=2002 -03-23id=1580searchText It was one of those sickening moments when an illusion is shattered and an ominous reality laid bare. I was among a group of Jews and Christians who met recently to discuss the Churches' increasing public hostility to Israel. The Jews were braced for a difficult encounter. After all, many British Jews (of whom I am one) are themselves appalled by the destruction of Palestinian villages, targeted assassinations and other apparent Israeli overreactions to the Middle East conflict. But this debate never took place. For the Christians said that the Churches' hostility had nothing to do with Israel's behaviour towards the Palestinians. This was merely an excuse. The real reason for the growing antipathy, according to the Christians at that meeting, was the ancient hatred of Jews rooted deep in Christian theology and now on widespread display once again. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] America and Israel: You and Me against the World
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] America and Israel: You and Me against the World -Caveat Lector- America and Israel: You and Me against the World by Mohamed Khodr You and Me Against the World is the title of a wonderful romantic song by Gladys Knight and the Pips AHEM it was Helen Reddy who performed this song. Don't bother. This is how the Arab Press works. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] This This Guy is Really a Moslem???
-Caveat Lector- It's been a long time, but you always inspire me Saba. You're such a fucking moron. You get dumber and dumber every month. Joshua2 - Original Message - From: Mermaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] This This Guy is Really a Moslem??? -Caveat Lector- Can you post a photo of this guy please? The Mermaid xxx - Original Message - From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: [CTRL] This This Guy is Really a Moslem??? Think this guy is really a Moslem and oh so many names. Now for whom, does this creep work? Why is he so afraid to be shipped off to America? He maintains he will return the same way he would be sent here - sounds familiar, right? This guy is no Muslim - this guy is just a hired killer like the others. Now who kills in such a manner and who executes judgment in such a manner. Somehow I imagine Johnny Rosselli found in an oil drum off the coast of Florida, legs chopped off he was custom fit to the barrel. He was to testify before the Assassination committee - now Hoffa's body never was found, but Rosselli' surfaced. But this man is AFRAID to come to America. Why? He has a big mouth but even these poor programmed suicide bombes do not scream and yell - for you see this man, this guy who used code name Rubaiya (righth out of Rubaiyat) will be exposed for what he is. But then it seems, have we as of late known anything good to come out of England or Israel? These two deserve each other - we do not. And as for the TwinTowers? Well Danny Pearl was the sacrificial lamb.ritual murder Hollywood style..strange not one person not one Jew came forward and offered to pay his ransom. Not one. The so powerful Wall Street Journal and Dow - not one dimefor nobody bought Danny Pearl. Osama bin Laden pulled off the Twin Tower's Job? Just ask - cui bono, cui bono, cui bono? This man whom they call the mastermaind looks like a fag or cross dresser when you take good look at him but note ohis photographs have been touoched upon and we are not permitted to see his face.and then we have John Walker Lindh with his phoney french accent and of course this Reid - what the hell he is is something straight out of the nut house...saba note) OSaba Country Sites|Professional Products|About Reuters HOMENEWSMARKETSQUOTES SEARCH SymbolCompanyKeyword Top NewsWorldBusinessInternetTechnologyScienceSportsEntertainmentOddly EnoughPoliticsHealth Pearl Kidnap Suspect Remanded, Threatens U.S. March 12, 2002 07:34 AM ET Email this articlePrinter friendly version Reuters PhotoBy Aamir Ashraf KARACHI, Pakistan (Reuters) - The suspected mastermind of the kidnapping of American reporter Daniel Pearl threatened on Tuesday to make the United States pay dearly if he was extradited from Pakistan to face charges. British-born militant Ahmed Saeed Omar Sheikh, commonly known as Sheikh Omar, had to be gagged by police as he emerged from a Pakistan remand court shouting Allahu Akbar and Down with America. (What a bunch of crap here - whoever is picking up this guy's tab should come up with something that is not so obviously overdone.seems like he takes the fall but will he lay himself doon and dee for his henchmen? saba note) Omar is accused by Pakistani authorities of organizing the kidnapping of Pearl in January while The World Street Journal reporter was researching a story on Islamic militants. Although his body has never been found, his kidnappers released a graphic video showing Pearl being murdered. Washington wants Omar extradited to face charges in the U.S., but Islamabad has said it will only consider the move once any Pakistan trial was complete. A defiant Omar threatened to make the United States pay if that happened. Omar told the judge that if he is sent to the U.S., then he will return back in the same way as he was returned from India, Raja Qureshi, advocate-general for Sindh province, told reporters in the provincial capital Karachi. (Note the double talk here - the guy is sending message - saba note) He told the judge that America would suffer if he is extradited. Sheikh Omar was freed from an Indian prison in 1999 along with two other Islamic militants in exchange for the passengers of an Indian airliner hijacked to the southern Afghan city of Kandahar. Tuesday, the Karachi court remanded Sheikh Omar and another suspect, Sheikh Adil, in police custody for a further 10 days. The two men are among four suspects being held in connection with the case. The judge had granted further remand until March 22 and told the prosecutors that it is the last remand he will grant, Khawaja Naveed, the defense lawyer said. As he left the court under heavy security, Sheikh Omar shouted Allahu Akbar (God is Greatest) and Down with America.
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers -Caveat Lector- On 5 Mar 2002 at 11:11, thew wrote: War films always do well when the right is in power. Welcome to the zeitgeist. Like *Saving Pvt Ryan*? More like - Saving Pvt Enterprise. J2 AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers -Caveat Lector- Why did they do this? Randall (Pearl Harbor) Wallace--producer, director and screen writer--could have easily ended the movie as he began it. The movie began with a short segment of a deadly ambush on a French column in the same valley ten years earlier; it should have ended with at least a passing reference to the dying that happened after Mel Gibson's character left the battlefield. The audience would have perhaps left the theater with a much different taste in their mouths, and a much more accurate understanding of the historical truth. However, apparently Mr. Wallace was more interested in a little flag waving, and wanted to send the audience home with a patriotic buzz. Doesn't anyone else find the timing of the release of all of these jingoistic flag-wavers a tad suspicious, considering that it takes at least 3 years to produce a movie? One wonders how/why Hollywood decided back in 1997/98 that 'patriotic' movies would suddenly become money-makers starting in late 2001... Jun It sure seems that way. But they have always done this. It may take a year to write a script, but they have vaults full of all types of scripts. It probably doesn't take much for a movie factory to swing into action producing crappy jingoistic war movies to empty the pockets of brainless robots who respond to patriotism the way that Pavlov's dogs responded to the dinner bell. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Global Warming: Socialisms Trojan Horse
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: John Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Global Warming: Socialisms Trojan Horse -Caveat Lector- So true. Greens are like watermelons -- green on the outside and red on the inside. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's so funny! Try this one genius. What's you on the outside, and dead on the inside? Green is not socialism moron. Green is EVERYTHING. Fortunately most people in the world have enough brains to understand that their very existance depends on the good functioning of the natural environment. And yes... environmentalism in some form WILL be the idea and primary cause of the extinction of Capitalism. But that's because capitalism is THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE TO THE ENVIRONMENT in the world at this time, and more folks come to understand this every day. Since most people are poor and don't have ANY vested interest in a system which only serves the rich and the greedy who desperately want to be rich, it's obvious that Capitalism is on the way out. You and Johnson should submit your names to the Darwin's list for consideration. Enjoy it while you can, Joshua2 --- M. A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ~~for educational purposes only~~ [Title 17 U.S.C. section 107] Global Warming: Socialism's Trojan Horse by Eric Englund On February 14, 2002, President Bush provided details for his plan to combat global warming. The cornerstone of his plan is to promote voluntary reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. Naturally, environmentalists were outraged that President Bush refused to adhere to the Kyoto Treaty. It is President Bush's contention that the Kyoto protocol would cost nearly 5,000,000 jobs in the U.S. alone. Of course, environmentalists claimed that there is a bigger picture here. All people, especially those living in industrialized countries such as the U.S., must sacrifice in order to win the universal struggle against global warming. As we have seen over the past three decades, environmentalists have succeeded in eroding property rights in the United States in order to protect Mother Earth as they see fit (i.e. through the Clean Water Act, through the Endangered Species Act, through ridiculous wetlands legislation, through air quality laws, etc). Whether or not President Bush understands this, the real struggle is between liberty and totalitarianism. For if environmentalists succeed in gradually taking away our private property rights, then a free market and liberty cannot exist. Thus, it is my contention that the struggle against environmentalism is actually a struggle for liberty (using the classical liberal definition). Undoubtedly, environmentalists will take exception to being called illiberal socialists (but I repeat myself). Perhaps there are those of you who are alarmed about global warming and sympathize with the environmental/green movement. My response is for you to be careful with whom you associate; which leads me to provide the following quote from Dr. George Reisman's magnum opus Capitalism: ... it should not be surprising to see hordes of former Reds, or of those who otherwise would have become Reds, turning from Marxism and becoming the Greens of the ecology movement. It is the same fundamental philosophy in a different guise, ready as ever to wage war on the freedom and well-being of the individual. So who are these former Reds who have converted to Green Socialism? One excellent example is Mikhail Gorbachev. Mr. Gorbachev is now the president of Green Cross International (a non-governmental environmental organization). Among the many issues with which Green Cross International has become involved, global warming is right at the top of its list. Gosh, when Mikhail Gorbachev, Ronald Reagan, and Margaret Thatcher became so chummy in the mid-1980s, I never once heard the Soviet dictator express concern about the environment. Clearly, Mr. Gorbachev has identified environmentalism as a Trojan horse capable of resurrecting socialism on a global scale. How can I say that about Mikhail Gorbachev? Didn't he bring glasnost (freedom of speech) and perestroika (economic and political reforms) to the Soviet Union? Indeed he did. Yet, these were means to his end of trying to save Soviet Communism and, therefore, to save his absolute and unspeakable power (that brought human misery to millions). Perhaps I am being too harsh on Mr. Gorbachev? To this I simply respond, read Requiem for Marx (edited by Yuri N. Maltsev). Dr. Maltsev was a reformist member of the Institute of Economics of the Soviet Academy of Sciences until he defected in 1989 (he now is an Associate Professor of economics
Re: [CTRL] Netanyahu Says Arafat Must Go
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Netanyahu Says Arafat Must Go -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/19/02 8:00:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Netanyahu, 52, has been speaking throughout the United States and Israel, and has criticized Sharon for stopping short of what Netanyahu believes is the only way to end terror attacks against Israelis â the removal of Arafat. Wasn't that over his having stolen a lot of official gifts? The guy is a sleaze. Prudy Hew really is a sleaze Prudy. You finally got one right. He's just like Clinton. Keep up the good work. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Terror war shifts to Lebanon, Iran
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/02 3:55:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abu Zubeidah, one of bin Laden's five top lieutenants and a leading candidate to be his successor, has been pinpointed hiding in Lebanon by Israeli military intelligence, according to DEBKA sources. Where would we be without Israeli military intelligence? Prudy What you mean we Kemosabe? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- Party of Citizens wrote: -Caveat Lector- Maybe this dude from oz is right. Unless the Kosherites can come up with the Deed to the Holy Land and proof that they are the beneficiaries, this return to the Holy Land thing must be bogus, ie a conspiracy. Or could 5,000,000 people migrate into that region displacing millions of Palestinians and chalk it up to ignorance? POC Are you an Indian Poley? If you're not, then pack the fuck up and go back to where YOUR ancestors hatched from. Nobody needs needs your approval for anything. The Jews have Israel because won it and can defend it. That's about the bottom line. Much as you don't like it, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. And that's the way it will stay. No one needs the bible as a deed. You white Christian devils didn't need the bible to steal 3/4 of the world. Since god likes us better than you, he let us take the land against overwhelming odds. So take it up with him if he'll talk to you. I know for a fact that he thinks you're a demented asshole. Who am I to argue??? Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mirror mirror on the wall, who was the poorest sleazy scumbag of them all?
-Caveat Lector- O'Neill, Sen. Byrd in Fiery Exchange Thu Feb 7, 6:22 PM ET By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer A budget hearing exploded into a battle over humble beginnings between a lecturing senator and a treasury secretary whose eyes flashed mdash; and grew moist mdash; with raw emotion. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said later those weren't tears in his eyes, but fire. During the Senate Budget Committee hearing Thursday, an angry Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., and O'Neill engaged in a remarkably bitter exchange for nearly 15 minutes. At several points, Byrd waved President Bush's new budget, which used a picture of Gulliver tied down by Lilliputians to criticize congressional constraints on decision-making by federal agencies. I just want to remind you, Mr. Secretary, that a lot of us were here before you came, said Byrd, 84. And with all due respect to you, you're not Alexander Hamilton, the nation's first treasury secretary. O'Neill, 66, paused to gather himself at the witness table, then answered in a voice quivering with indignation. I've dedicated my life to doing what I can to get rid of rules that limit human potential, he said. And I'm not going to stop. Byrd repeatedly said that he, and not O'Neill, a former chairman of Alcoa, had been elected by voters. They're not CEOs of multibillion-dollar corporations, Byrd said of the voters. They can't just pick up the phone and call a Cabinet secretary. In time of need, they come to us, the people come to us. O'Neill, who grew up poor in St. Louis, Mo., snapped back: I started my life in a house without water or electricity. So I don't cede to you the high moral ground of not knowing what life is like in a ditch. Well, Mr. Secretary, Byrd responded, I lived in a house without electricity, too, no running water, no telephone, a little wooden outhouse. He was raised by his aunt and uncle in West Virginia's coal country. O'Neill appeared teary at several points. On the subject of regulations tying down government, he pointedly cited the unjustness of rules that said, 'Coloreds cannot enter here.' Although O'Neill did not mention it, a younger Byrd once belonged to the Ku Klux Klan, which he later renounced. The blunt and sometimes impolitic treasury secretary has had other confrontations with members of Congress, although none as passionate as Thursday's. He once characterized a Republican economic stimulus package as show business, prompting one GOP congressman to call for his resignation. Bush stood by him. Byrd took umbrage at O'Neill's earlier complaints to a business group, when he said some rules were like the Lilliputians tying us to the ground. Byrd said he believed those remarks were aimed at a Senate rule that bears his name. The Byrd rule limits items that can be put on a tax bill. O'Neill stood by his comments but said he was complaining more broadly about rules that inhibit progress. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LOOKIN' FOR LOVE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES
William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 2/7/02 9:04:05 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's so beautiful that you feel compelled and comfortable enough with your listmates to share the depth and breadth of all your wonderful emotions. We all, and especially I, just can't tell you enough, how your feelings are so meaningful, profound, and thought provoking. Well well, look who's talking. Isn't this the fellow who is king of the snippy and profane retort? The guy who calls "listmates" Nazis, assholes, and whatever else comes to his mind? The one who piles on Saba, a woman, and calls her nasty names? Yeah, I thought that was you. Bill. Saba is a WOMAN?
Re: [CTRL] LOOKIN' FOR LOVE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES
-Caveat Lector- Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yes, Saba is a woman and I once saw a picture of Bill Shannon and his beautiful blonde wife - he is very handsome and she is very elegant. Now Joshua2 I can imagine - little chub cheeked fatso sitting on his little behind on a comuter monitoring the militias..you should be so handsome as Bill Shannon. OSaba And Irish too. And how do you know that genius? Did you ever see me? Did you ever see a picture of me? Do you even know anyone who knows me? Or do you come these conclusions the same way you do about everything else you bable about? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] U.S. goal: Keep arms from Palestinians
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/5/02 2:40:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U.S. goal: Keep arms from Palestinians Plans to cut off Arafat from fresh weapons provided by 'axis of evil' Gee, shades of Bosnia. This will solve the problem. If they can't shoot back, the Israeli can celebrate every occasion with a turkey shoot. Prudy Ignorance is bliss huh Prudy? I guess you don't know that Israel armed Arafat's 40,000 forces as part of the Oslo agreement. The other part of that agreement was that they would not buy military weapons. That was the deal see. They broke that deal immediatly as they did every other part of Oslo. Now they will pay. The more they arm, the more will die. Is that what you want? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LOOKIN' FOR LOVE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES
William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 2/7/02 1:23:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOOKIN' FOR LOVE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES I hate country "music" but always liked that song...the Johnny Lee version...oh, and Ann Coulter is a psycho-twit. Bill. It's so beautiful that you feel compelled and comfortable enough with your listmates to share the depth and breadth of all your wonderful emotions. We all, and especially I, just can't tell you enough, how your feelings are so meaningful, profound, and thought provoking. Oh yes. The Johnny Lee version of Looking for Love really sucks. The best version was done by Buckwheat. Joshua2
Re: [CTRL] Please, please begin a campaign
-Caveat Lector- Man on the Run wrote: -Caveat Lector- BFSir, have you not heard of the Azidi? (I believe I spelled their name correctly) They are Satan worshippers in the Muslim world. They are acknowledged as such by Muslims, though do not seem to be as much opposed as their fellow monotheists in Israel. They are acknowledged as Satan worshippers, and are not understood as such in a Christian context. Thus my argument that we can discuss these things without recourse to that is a Christian idea. So what if it is a predominantly Christian idea? Does that make it factually incorrect? Probably so. As far as what Jews do or do not talk about, I find that a rather specious way to shut down debate. We do not talk about this has been used to silence criticism of sexual abuse, slavery, torture, racism, and other evils. Don't get carried away. No one is shutting anything down. I love talking religion. It's usually the religionist who punks out because outside of personal belief, there's no rational or even sensible defense of supernatural mumbo-jumbo. I am talking about it and that makes for one person at least. So it is not discussed in some circles? That is a social fact. Call it a minchag, believing that it is simply giving evil more power. That is an argument made, one that cannot be dismissed lightly, but it is not universally agreed to. Rabbis have disagreed on many things. Judaism does not speak with one voice on every issue. Bates Judaism is also based on superstitious non-sense. And discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or the origins of Satan or when the sun stopped in the heavens so Joshua could defeat his enemy, are all equally ridiculous. There is no real argument about Satan. There is no Satan, and you can't produce him to demonstrate otherwise. Joshua2 thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- there was a Persian demon named shaitan. there was an angelic presence by that name in the story of job, but in neither case was Satan THE great adversary of god, the number one host of evil, an all powerful anti-god. to equate them because they are etymologically related is to paint with a brush too broad to give meaning. Jews do not talk about Satanists. it makes no sense in the Jewish mythological world view. the Persians likewise have no shaitan worship that is analogous to what Christians mean when they say Satan worship Satanists, in this context, is a Christian concept. -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Man on the Run [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:20:39 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Please, please begin a campaign -Caveat Lector- BFWith due respect, Christians did not invent Satan. Pre-Christian Israelite texts, both Mesoretic and those not included in the Hebrew Bible, have mentioned the concept of the Satan. Islam has also invoked the concept. This concept also exists in other religions than those of the Abrahamic faith. You are free to disagree with me, but please be accurate. Bates thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- just the concept satanic is a Christian concept. To think someone might be a Satanist, you must first accept the belief system that Satan exists in. Satanism is a Christian sect ,perhaps a very fringe one, but a Christian sect none the less. If I don't believe in Satan, calling me a Satanist doesn't have much meaning. -- - --- -- --- -- Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. George Washington NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:55:22 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Please, please begin a campaign The inverted pentagram is an agreed upon Satanic symbol used by Satanists as such. satanists... hmm... anyone that doesn't belief that your christ chap is the son of god? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups
Re: [CTRL] Please, please begin a campaign
-Caveat Lector- Andrew Hennessey wrote: -Caveat Lector- does the Jewish historian Josephus Josephus was a ROMAN historian who USED to be Jewish. Everything he wrote is questionable. I don't think anyone considers him an authority on religion though. J2 mention Sataniel in his section on angels in the History of the Jews ?? andrew - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Please, please begin a campaign -Caveat Lector- Man on the Run wrote: -Caveat Lector- BFWith due respect, Christians did not invent Satan. Pre-Christian Israelite texts, both Mesoretic and those not included in the Hebrew Bible, have mentioned the concept of the Satan. Islam has also invoked the concept. This concept also exists in other religions than those of the Abrahamic faith. You are free to disagree with me, but please be accurate. Bates Satan is Christian. It is not Jewish at all though there may be discussions of such a concept. In those days before science and rationalism, almost everyone's world view was superstitious nonsense. Satan is the other major component of Christian Dualism which is based in GREEK, not Judaic culture. Jesus is the all good god of goodness, and Satan is the all bad god of evil. Y'know... good cop, bad cop. Thew is right to say that in order to take Satanism seriously, you must come from a Christian superstitious mindset. Islam incorporated many ideas from both Judaism and Christianity. That's why that have a Shaytan. Dualism is the simplest form of complexity. Philosophy light ( as in not heavy ). Read Dualism for Dummies by Abbot and Costello. It's only two pages. Joshua2 thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- just the concept satanic is a Christian concept. To think someone might be a Satanist, you must first accept the belief system that Satan exists in. Satanism is a Christian sect ,perhaps a very fringe one, but a Christian sect none the less. If I don't believe in Satan, calling me a Satanist doesn't have much meaning. -- - --- -- - -- -- Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. George Washington NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:55:22 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Please, please begin a campaign The inverted pentagram is an agreed upon Satanic symbol used by Satanists as such. satanists... hmm... anyone that doesn't belief that your christ chap is the son of god? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement
[CTRL] What? No drug war? Columbia, Afghanistan, Iraq. How many will die for oil profits?
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: REUTERS: U.S. Seeks to Help Colombian Troops Defend Pipeline Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:50:52 -0600 (CST) From: Colombian Labor Monitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; C O L O M B I A L A B O R M O N I T O R http://www.prairienet.org/clm For updates throughout the day visit the most thorough and complete Colombian news service http://www.prairienet.org/clm [NOTE: Long gone are the days when U.S. military intervention in Colombia was packaged as counter-narcotics aid. In the post-September 11 militaristic climate, the petroleum cartel that runs the White House has little problem re-packaging U.S. intervention as counter-terrorist aid, and showing the true beneficiaries of Washington's munificence: the oil companies. But, then, we knew this all along, didn't we? -DG] REUTERS Tuesday, 5 February 2002 U.S. Seeks to Help Colombian Troops Defend Pipeline By Jason Webb BOGOTA - The United States wants to train and equip Colombian troops to defend a key oil pipeline, a senior U.S. official said on Tuesday, unveiling plans to turn U.S. aid more directly against rebels fighting a 38-year-old war. Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Marc Grossman said the Bush administration would ask Congress for $98 million to strengthen a Colombian army brigade to guard the 490-mile Cano Limon pipeline, whose oil field is operated by U.S. firm Occidental Petroleum Corp. The aid, which would likely include helicopters, comes on top of already massive U.S. assistance limited to wiping out cocaine and heroin production in the Andean nation. Grossman said helping protect the Cano Limon -- a favorite target of leftist rebels -- was part of Washington's commitment to help Colombians create a terror-free democracy. The war on terrorism will require every bit of state policy and every tool available to the state, Grossman told a news conference in Bogota as he wrapped up a three-day visit by a top-level U.S. delegation. The Bush administration sent to Congress on Monday a fiscal year 2003 budget that included funds for training a second anti-drug brigade as part of a 14 percent increase in anti-narcotics spending in the Andean region. Of the $731 million proposed for the regional effort, $439 million was for Colombia. Wary of getting dragged into a conflict that has claimed 40,000 lives in the past decade, the United States has not granted President Andres Pastrana's request for authorization to use U.S. anti-narcotics aid against guerrillas and far-right paramilitaries in non-drug operations. On Tuesday, Grossman said the new aid will be modeled on training provided for a Colombian army anti-narcotics brigade, whose progress has pleased Washington. RIGHTS GROUPS CALL FOR END TO U.S. AID Washington-based Human Rights Watch called on Tuesday for the United States to end military aid to Colombia because its armed forces have not cut links with paramilitary outlaws. Grossman said the U.S. government will study the report. Keeping Cano Limon running will help Bogota fight the rebels at a critical time for struggling 3-year-old peace talks and provide money for funding its own war effort. Each day the country's second-largest oil pipeline is out of action, the Colombian government loses $2.3 million from oil sales alone. The 120,000-barrel-a-day duct, which is currently not in operation due to repairs, was bombed 170 times last year and has already been bombed at least 13 times in 2002. It is targeted by both the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia -- known by the Spanish initials FARC -- and the smaller National Liberation Army, or ELN, as part of extortion campaigns. The two rebel groups are dubbed terrorist organizations by the United States. The United States also wants to ensure oil supplies in the Andean region -- its second largest source of oil imports outside the volatile Middle East, officials said. Copyright 2002 Reuters * CLM-NEWS is brought to you by the COLOMBIAN LABOR MONITOR at * *http://www.prairienet.org/clm * * and the CHICAGO COLOMBIA COMMITTEE * *Email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * To unsubscribe send request to Dennis Grammenos at * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * A
Re: [CTRL] Please, please begin a campaign
-Caveat Lector- Man on the Run wrote: -Caveat Lector- BFWith due respect, Christians did not invent Satan. Pre-Christian Israelite texts, both Mesoretic and those not included in the Hebrew Bible, have mentioned the concept of the Satan. Islam has also invoked the concept. This concept also exists in other religions than those of the Abrahamic faith. You are free to disagree with me, but please be accurate. Bates Satan is Christian. It is not Jewish at all though there may be discussions of such a concept. In those days before science and rationalism, almost everyone's world view was superstitious nonsense. Satan is the other major component of Christian Dualism which is based in GREEK, not Judaic culture. Jesus is the all good god of goodness, and Satan is the all bad god of evil. Y'know... good cop, bad cop. Thew is right to say that in order to take Satanism seriously, you must come from a Christian superstitious mindset. Islam incorporated many ideas from both Judaism and Christianity. That's why that have a Shaytan. Dualism is the simplest form of complexity. Philosophy light ( as in not heavy ). Read Dualism for Dummies by Abbot and Costello. It's only two pages. Joshua2 thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- just the concept satanic is a Christian concept. To think someone might be a Satanist, you must first accept the belief system that Satan exists in. Satanism is a Christian sect ,perhaps a very fringe one, but a Christian sect none the less. If I don't believe in Satan, calling me a Satanist doesn't have much meaning. -- - --- -- --- -- Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. George Washington NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:55:22 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Please, please begin a campaign The inverted pentagram is an agreed upon Satanic symbol used by Satanists as such. satanists... hmm... anyone that doesn't belief that your christ chap is the son of god? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL
[CTRL] PEACE PROJECT JANUARY 2002 SURVEY
-Caveat Lector- PEACE PROJECT JANUARY 2002 SURVEY The Peace Index Project is conducted by the Tami Steinmetz Center for Peace Research at Tel Aviv University, headed by Prof. Ephraim Yaar and Dr. Tamar Hermann and executed by the Tel Aviv University's B. I. Cohen Institute. Results are shown for 28-30 January 2002. The survey details below covers the representative sub-sample of adult Jewish Israelis 1. Do you believe or not believe that in the coming years there will be peace between Israel and the Arabs? Certain there will be peace 4.4% Think there will be peace 14.3% In the middle 9.9% Think there will not be peace 28.8% Certain there will not be peace 39.5% Do not know/no opinion 3.2% 2. In general, do you consider yourself a supporter or opponent of the peace process between Israel and the Arabs? Greatly opposed 7.9% Considerably opposed 6.5% In the middle 10.3% Considerably supportive 30.8% Greatly supportive 43.1% Do not know/no opinion 1.4% 3. What is your opinion on the agreement that was signed in Oslo between Israel and the PLO (Agreement of Principles)? Heavily in favor 10.7% Considerably in favor 15.3% In the middle 20.0% Considerably opposed 14.1% Heavily opposed 32.3% Do not know/no opinion 7.5% 4. Do you believe or not believe that the Oslo Agreement between Israel and the PLO will bring about peace between Israel and the Palestinians in the coming years? Greatly believe 3.8% Considerably believe 7.5 Middle 11.5% Considerably do not believe 20.6% Completely do not believe 50.0% Do not know/no opinion 6.5% 5. What is your position regarding negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority? Heavily in favor 27.0% Considerably in favor 32.1% Considerably opposed 17.1% Heavily opposed 21.2% Do not know/no opinion 2.6% 6. Do you believe or do not believe that negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority will lead in the coming years to peace between Israel and the Palestinians? Greatly believe 8.3% Considerably believe 24.4% Considerably do not believe 26.8% Completely do not believe 37.9% Do not know 2.6 7. Do you believe or not believe that in the coming years there will be peace between Israel and Syria? Certain there will be peace 2.4% Think there will be peace 19.2% In the middle 20.6% Think there will not be peace 28.2% Certain there will not be peace 23.4% Don't know/have no opinion 6.2% 6. What is your position regarding support for a full peace treaty between Israel and Syria in exchange for full withdrawal from the Golan Heights? Greatly in favor 12.5% Considerably in favor 14.1% In the middle 13.1% Considerably opposed 15.5% Greatly opposed 40.3% Do not know/have no opinion 4.6% For all practical purposes, Israel has placed Arafat's headquarters in Ramallah under siege and he cannot move freely in the territories of the Palestinian Authority or go overseas. In your opinion, what is the main purpose of this move? 47.1% To pressure Arafat so that he will carry out real measures to end the terror 33.1% To undermine his authority as head of the Palestinian Authority 13.4 Both to the same extent 06.4% Do not know In your opinion can the siege bring about the realization of one or either of these goal? 15.1% End terror 15.5% Break Arafat's authority 21.2% Both 39.7% Neither 08.5% Do not know How would undermining the authority of Arafat as head of the Palestinian Authority impact terror activity against Israel? Increase 34.8% Decrease 17.5% No charge 39.0% Do not know 8.7% How would undermining Arafat's authority as head of the Palestinian Authority impact the chances of reaching a peace arrangement with between Israel and the Palestinians? Increase 22.3% Decrease 24.1% No change 44.5% Don't know 9.1% Do you support or oppose continuing the policy of taking out [wanted terrorists] by Israeli security forces? Support a lot 44.9% Considerably support 28.1% Considerably oppose 12.0% Oppose a lot 9.8% Don't know 5.2% In terms of Israel's interests, do you support or oppose killing Arafat? Support a lot 11.0% Considerably support 10.4% Considerably oppose 31.1% Oppose a lot 41.2% Don't know 6.4% Do you support or oppose that along with the pressure applied to Arafat and the Palestinian Authority that Israel make efforts, to the extent possible, to make the daily lives of the Palestinian population in the territories easier? Support a lot 33.9% Considerably support 31.1% Considerably oppose 16.1% Oppose a lot 13.9% Don't know 5.0% The papers report from time to time about demeaning attitudes of soldiers and Israeli security people towards Palestinian civilian in the territories, for example intentionally delaying them at checkpoints. In your opinion, do such incidents occur frequently or infrequently? Very frequently 14.4% Considerably frequently 29.7% Considerably infrequently 26.1% Very infrequently 16.8% Don't know 13.0% If and when such incidents occur, in your opinion should the security system treat them with complete seriousness as if they
[CTRL] Nobel Peace Prize - wadda joke.
-Caveat Lector- THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE IS A DISGRACEFUL JOKE! Henry Kissinger (extended the Vietnam war 3 years. Chile.) Yasser Arafat ( need one say more?) Kim Dae Jung ( Corporate Dictator of S Korea) Frederik Willem de Klerk ( racist ) United Nations Peace-keeping Forces ( Ha, ha, ha, ha. ) Mohamed Anwar al-Sadat, Menachem Begin (A dictator and a fascist ) George Catlett Marshall ( American archetecht of WWII ) Thomas Woodrow Wilson ( Racist warmonger ) Theodore Roosevelt ( Racist warmonger ) and now these clowns... Bush, Blair nominated for Nobel Peace Prize By DOUG MELLGREN Associated Press OSLO, Norway (February 4, 2002 12:45 p.m. EST) - Praised for fighting terrorism and securing world peace, President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair have been nominated for the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, a Norwegian lawmaker announced Monday. Harald Tom Nesvik, a member of parliament from the right-wing Party of Progress, said he has nominated the two leaders who have been at the forefront of the war in Afghanistan. The background for my nomination is their decisive action against terrorism, something I believe in the future will be the greatest threat to peace, Nesvik said. Unfortunately, sometimes ... you have to use force to secure peace. Nesvik has nomination rights as a member of a national legislature. The Oslo-based awards committee accepts nominations postmarked by Feb. 1, so proposals continue to arrive and a final number is not expected until late in the month. Last year, 136 individuals and groups were nominated. The $943,000 prize was shared by the United Nations and its secretary-general, Kofi Annan. The committee keeps the names of nominees secret for 50 years. However, those making nominations often reveal their choice. The Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States and the aftermath were expected to influence this year's nominations, because those events were too late to be considered in last year's award. Other Sept. 11-related nominations mentioned, but not confirmed, include former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Guy Tozzoli, an engineer who helped design the World Trade Center. Also Monday, two Christian Democratic members of Norway's parliament announced their nomination of the Salvation Army, adding to a list that includes Rome-based Catholic group Church of Sant'Egidio for peace and humanitarian efforts and the Mission of Mercy humanitarian group for work in Latin America. The Nobel Prize winners are named in mid-October and the awards are always presented on Dec. 10, the day their founder, Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel, died in 1896. The peace prize is awarded in Oslo, and the others in Stockholm, Sweden. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Axis of Just as Evil
-Caveat Lector- In Speech, Bush Calls Iraq, Iran and North Korea 'Axis of Evil -- N.Y. Times, 1/30/02 ANGERED BY SNUBBING, LIBYA, CHINA SYRIA FORM AXIS OF JUST AS EVIL Cuba, Sudan, Serbia Form Axis of Somewhat Evil; Other Nations Start Own Clubs Beijing (SatireWire.com) Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the Axis of Evil, Libya, China, and Syria today announced they had formed the Axis of Just as Evil, which they said would be way eviler than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of his State of the Union address. Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. Right. They are Just as Evil... in their dreams! declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. Everybody knows we're the best evils... best at being evil... we're the best. Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil. They told us it was full, said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. An Axis can't have more than three countries, explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil Axis. So you can only have three. And a secret handshake. Ours is wicked cool. THE AXIS PANDEMIC International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed the Axis of Somewhat Evil, forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the Axis of Occasionally Evil, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the Axis of Not So Much Evil Really As Just Generally Disagreeable. With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics; Canada, Mexico, and Australia formed the Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About America, while Spain, Scotland, and New Zealand established the Axis of Countries That Be Allowed to Ask Sheep to Wear Lipstick. That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do, said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell. While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axes, although he rejected the establishment of the Axis of Countries Whose Names End in Guay, accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges. Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately, world leaders said that's only because no one asked them. Copyright © 2002, SatireWire. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Colleen's Inane Bible Code (was; The New World OrderinBibleprop...
William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 2/1/02 9:29:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She's a liar and a whack job. What's the point? Since you're SO opposed to the idea I'm willing to give it a second look...it can't be all bad. Bill. (Who'd buy a used car from Saba before a used CD from Zev/Josh/Billy Schwartz) A nazi and a nutsie. You guys are quite a pair. J2
Re: [CTRL] Antisemitic vs. Prosemitic means ?
-Caveat Lector- Party of Citizens wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Nurev Ind wrote: Party of Citizens wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, inri wrote: Correction-that's how could ANY follower of Christ not be antisemite? christ was semitic. how do you reconcile this? I know what you are saying but that is not how the Real Semites like J2 define the word. To them, even that Palestinian Imam with the shnozola which would be the envy of Klinger on Mash is an antisemite. Thus these Real Semites have coined the word to mean, Those who are against us. What means us? Us means the Cult of Herod. Herod built Masada into a magnificent and powerful palatial centre and a last fortified retreat in case of all-out attack. That is exactly how his Edomite Nation used it when the Romans invaded. Much earlier the Romans had forced a merger of the Israelites and Edomites. Today the Edomite Army of Israel takes its oath of office at Masada under the new Herod, Sharon. The Real Israelites of 2,000 years ago took on the name Christians even though at first there were those like Saul/Paul who retained the identity as Jews and Israelites (in Paul's case the Tribe of Benjamin). Since Vatican has rejected Christ as the foundation of its faith, they have decreed that antisemitism is a grave sin. All it means is standing up for the True Israelite faith which is what Christ carried forward (eg in saying I came only to find the lost sheep of Israel) and being anti- those who are against Christ and His teachings as are the people of the Cult of Herod. I can hear J2 gnashing his teeth all the way from here. The saga of bile and bullshit continues. POC'ster (Learned Elder of Zion) Saga of bile and bullshit is right Dr. Poley. Not even ONE point in the bullshit above is either true or historical. Not even one. You can dazzle some of these clowns with your dizzying diatribes of demented dumbness, but Poley you are a joke. There is not even ONE point which is correct. You write more convincingly than Colleen, but she has an excuse. She's a moron. You are just an inept propagandist. Dear FUC: Razzle, dazzle us with some of your cogent rebuttals. Just take it a point at a time instead of trying such a moronic, broad-brush put-down. POC (Learned Elders of Zion) No thanks. We've been through this little game already. I'm not interested in going through it again. Chuck U. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Antisemitic vs. Prosemitic means ?
-Caveat Lector- Party of Citizens wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, inri wrote: Correction-that's how could ANY follower of Christ not be antisemite? christ was semitic. how do you reconcile this? I know what you are saying but that is not how the Real Semites like J2 define the word. To them, even that Palestinian Imam with the shnozola which would be the envy of Klinger on Mash is an antisemite. Thus these Real Semites have coined the word to mean, Those who are against us. What means us? Us means the Cult of Herod. Herod built Masada into a magnificent and powerful palatial centre and a last fortified retreat in case of all-out attack. That is exactly how his Edomite Nation used it when the Romans invaded. Much earlier the Romans had forced a merger of the Israelites and Edomites. Today the Edomite Army of Israel takes its oath of office at Masada under the new Herod, Sharon. The Real Israelites of 2,000 years ago took on the name Christians even though at first there were those like Saul/Paul who retained the identity as Jews and Israelites (in Paul's case the Tribe of Benjamin). Since Vatican has rejected Christ as the foundation of its faith, they have decreed that antisemitism is a grave sin. All it means is standing up for the True Israelite faith which is what Christ carried forward (eg in saying I came only to find the lost sheep of Israel) and being anti- those who are against Christ and His teachings as are the people of the Cult of Herod. I can hear J2 gnashing his teeth all the way from here. The saga of bile and bullshit continues. POC'ster (Learned Elder of Zion) Saga of bile and bullshit is right Dr. Poley. Not even ONE point in the bullshit above is either true or historical. Not even one. You can dazzle some of these clowns with your dizzying diatribes of demented dumbness, but Poley you are a joke. There is not even ONE point which is correct. You write more convincingly than Colleen, but she has an excuse. She's a moron. You are just an inept propagandist. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Colleen's Inane Bible Code (was; The New World Order inBibleprophecy)
-Caveat Lector- RevCOAL wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] So all these secret societies have it seems one common denominator - they use the Bible as their Master Plan and many have a bible calendar, but THE Calendar, the Master Plan, is the one I hae which was in a Gideon Bible dated 1954..keyed from JFK murder right down to the Twin Towers. For a date and appointed time certain. She's a liar and a whack job. What's the point? J2 Gee, Colleen, for at least the past two years some of us have demanded that you PROVE the efficacy of your so-called Bible calendar code by providing just ONE prediction BEFORE THE FACT... Now you claim that it predicted the destruction of the WTC towers on 9/11, yet not once did you even HINT of this BEFORE it happened... I could just as easily claim that the patterns caused by my car's oil leaks predicted the destruction of the WTC towers on 9/11, or that my collection of Dorothy Sayers' Lord Peter Whimsey mysteries contain a hidden code that predicted the JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinations...but unless I'm able to provide a prediction BEFORE an event against which the accuracy of my claimed source of prophecy can be judged, such claims would be just so much hogwash... ...as are YOUR claims regarding your so-called Bible Code You had a perfect opportunity to display its supposed power by warning us BEFORE 9/11 of the events that were due to happen on that date; so why didn't you, Colleen? June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How it works: Economics 2002
-Caveat Lector- Feudalism: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk, and screws your pretty daughter. Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, sells you the milk, kills the cows and sells the meat to a fast food corporation.. Communism: You don't have two cows. You must take care of the government's cows. The government gives you milk powder. Capitalism: You have two cows which you bought from a farmer who was driven off his land by competition with government subsidized corporate farms. You hire the desperate farmer for peanuts to work with the cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell the herd to McDonald's, fire the farmer, and retire on the income. Everyone thinks you're great. The farmer kills himself. Corporate Capitalism: You have two cows. You bought them with a government loan to study bovine flatulence as an advanced energy source. You borrow 80% of the forward value of the two cows from your bank, then buy another cow with 5% down and the rest financed by the seller on a note callable if your market cap goes below $20B at a rate 2 times prime. You now sell three cows to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at a 2nd bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more and this transaction process is upheld by your independent auditor and no Balance Sheet provided with the press release that announces that Enron as a major owner of cows will begin trading cows via the Internet site COW (cows on web). Furthermore, you have cornered the market on cow flatulence which you have agreed to sell to the Governor of California at premium prices. Then you sell your stock to the dumb greedy middle class and take the money and run. The rich think you're great. The lawyers think you're great. Wall Street puts up your picture in it's Secret Hall of Fame. I am sure you now fully understand how it works. == Economic analysis by Chuck U. Farley [Economic systems are ALWAYS established to benefit elites.] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Antisemitic vs. Prosemitic means ?
-Caveat Lector- Party of Citizens wrote: -Caveat Lector- If chosen ones can coin the neologism, antisemitic can I not coin prosemitic? I want to be as approved of by the chosenites as possible. Tell me what a good prosemite would be like? POC Michael Hoffman, Bill Shannon, and YOU. Of course. Prosemites are racists who hate Jews ( anti-semites ) and pretend that they like Arabs, when all they really want is a venue to hate Jews. How's that Doc ? Chuck U. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
