Re: Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-15 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 12:47 PM 12/6/00 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: You're thinking of something else, but you're close enough. For instance, there are laws in most jurisdictions about requiring a social security number to open a bank account, for any of a number of reasons including credit checks, and checks on

Re: This is why a free society is evil. [Re: This is why HTMLemail is evil.]

2000-12-15 Thread Tim May
At 9:40 AM -0500 12/15/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim May wrote: In a free society, free economy, then employers and employees are much more flexible. A solid contributor would not be fired for something so trivial as having a porn picture embedded in some minor way. Hell, a solid

Re: Inquiry RE: audiobook reviewers

2000-12-15 Thread Me
- Original Message - From: "Dwayne Parsons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Found your request on Editor's Choice. I'm a professional writer, avid reader and believe in audiobooks. Spend a lot of time driving across rural Montana. What's your terms? Can you be more specific if your need still

Re: Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind...

2000-12-15 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 10:23 PM -0800 on 12/14/00, Tim May wrote: April 1st is many months off, so why this? :-). Let's see now, you're about the third or fourth person to note the same think (Stewart, Broiles, for example), on this very thread. The first being, of course, Perry... Yes, I'd heard about the

Re: Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind...

2000-12-15 Thread Tim May
At 11:13 PM -0800 12/14/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:23 PM -0800 on 12/14/00, Tim May wrote: April 1st is many months off, so why this? :-). Let's see now, you're about the third or fourth person to note the same think (Stewart, Broiles, for example), on this very thread. The first

Re: All these different addresses.

2000-12-15 Thread petro
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to be told "Check the Archives". How come this list has so many addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is any of these the *real* address, or it is a personal choice? --

Re: Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind...

2000-12-15 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 11:59 PM -0800 on 12/14/00, Tim May wrote: "Fuck off." There you go again. :-). Nonetheless, after 6 1/2 years, it does feel like it's time for me move on, and it seems quite appropriate for me to go out the same way I came in: with Tim yelling. ;-).

Re: Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind...

2000-12-14 Thread David Honig
At 03:50 AM 12/14/00 -0800, R. A. Hettinga wrote: FOR ALL TO SEE It's a spray which renders sealed envelopes transparent, making the letters inside as easy to read as postcards. "It leaves an odour for 10 to 15 minutes," says the spray's inventor, but, apart from that, "no evidence at all"

RE: Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind...

2000-12-14 Thread Carskadden, Rush
Title: RE: Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind... Doesn't appear to defeat security envelopes either, which have been around for quite some time. -Original Message- From: David Honig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 2:06 PM To: R. A. Hettinga; [EMAIL

Re: nambla

2000-12-14 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 12:03 PM -0800 on 12/14/00, gary seven wrote: PREPARE FOR YOUR DESTRUCTION Keewww. An *actual* *biblical* *curse*... Cheers, RAH (I mean, the boils and keloids are bad enough, but when it starts raining *toads*, it's just *simply* the last straw...) -- - R. A.

Re: Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind...

2000-12-14 Thread Tim May
At 3:50 AM -0800 12/14/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 11:35 PM -0600 on 12/13/00, by way of [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FOR ALL TO SEE It's a spray which renders sealed envelopes transparent, making the letters inside as easy to read as postcards. "It leaves an odour for 10 to 15 minutes,"

Re: Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind...

2000-12-14 Thread Greg Broiles
On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 03:50:55AM -0800, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Real-To: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:35 PM -0600 on 12/13/00, by way of [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FOR ALL TO SEE It's a spray which renders sealed envelopes transparent, making the letters inside as easy to

Re: U.S. Supreme Court vs. Voting Technology (fwd)

2000-12-14 Thread Gil Hamilton
Robert Guerra forwards: -- Forwarded Message -- From: Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: U.S. Supreme Court vs. Voting Technology [snip] Just an FYI. I was checking this out when I noticed via WHOIS that www.thebell.net www.safevote.com

Re: U.S. Supreme Court vs. Voting Technology (fwd)

2000-12-14 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gil Hamilton wrote: are all apparently self-promotional mouthpieces for this Gerck fellow (formerly of the "Meta-Certificate Group", another self-promotion vehicle) who has shown up on cypherpunks and other crypto/security lists from time to time, usually with somewhat

Re: nambla

2000-12-14 Thread Greg Broiles
On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 12:03:09PM -0800, gary seven wrote: You are under the Judgement of the LORD GOD OF HOST for the sin of the sea of babies, abortion and infant sacrifice to the devil. You will burn in the presence of the HOLY Angels. The seals are opened. PREPARE FOR YOUR DESTRUCTION

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-13 Thread Tom Vogt
Tim May wrote: Someone could make a little Perl or Python script to let the computers do all the work. or reorganize the stuff into a square for a quick round of "cyperpunks buzzword bingo". :)

Re: CDR:Re: The US mis-election - an oportunity for e-voting..

2000-12-13 Thread Declan McCullagh
Different standards aren't necessarily bad either. Local jurisdictions have a substantial amount of leeway in ballot design in Florida, which, Democratic partisan protests notwithstanding, is probably a reasonable thing. In other areas of the law, they have the opportunity to craft laws and

This has the w95.hybris.gen virus in it. ...Re: Snowhite and the SevenDwarfs - The REAL story!

2000-12-13 Thread roy
At 10:46 PM 12/13/2000 -0600, you wrote: Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven Dwarfs enter...

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring ing NJ Mob Case (was Re:

2000-12-12 Thread Anonymous Remailer
Ken Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In every office or factory I've ever been in, including government ones where we kept paper copies of tax returns (yes folks, I have worked for the Inland Revenue) there are cleaners. They seem to come in 3 kinds - middle-aged black women, African students

Re: FC: Yet Another Survey: Americans have become privacy pragmatists

2000-12-12 Thread Duncan Frissell
Business President Alan Westin says that more Americans now fall into the category of "privacy pragmatist" rather than "privacy fundamentalist." Ron Plesser of Piper Marbury Rudnick Wolf says that the Internet industry must determine how to properly use Social Security numbers. "Regulating

Re: Questions of size...

2000-12-12 Thread Ben Laurie
Tim May wrote: At 7:42 PM + 12/12/00, Ben Laurie wrote: Sampo A Syreeni wrote: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Ben Laurie wrote: Chambers defines geodesic as "the shortest line on a surface between two points on it" and that is precisely the meaning in general relativity. No

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
Here you go: http://www.mccullagh.org/cgi-bin/jargonizer.cgi -Declan At 10:08 12/12/2000 -0800, Tim May wrote: With all of the talk recently of recursively-settled agoric market spaces, multidimensional geodesic actor systems, and other jargon-heavy marketbuzz, I've made up a little table

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
I've got an idea! How about one that would make text look like it was spoken by a Canadian!?! -Declan At 16:25 12/12/2000 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 4:04 PM -0500 on 12/12/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: http://www.mccullagh.org/cgi-bin/jargonizer.cgi Great. Now all we need is one of

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-12 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 4:04 PM -0500 on 12/12/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: http://www.mccullagh.org/cgi-bin/jargonizer.cgi Great. Now all we need is one of those translators, like the one that turns text into something the Muppet's Swedish Chef would say... :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-12 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 4:29 PM -0500 on 12/12/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: I've got an idea! How about one that would make text look like it was spoken by a Canadian!?! :-). Ooo! Oooo! A canadian *cryptographer*!!! SouthPark-KylesMom Bomb Canada.../S-K (Yes, I get the joke, and consider myself properly

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-12 Thread Alan Olsen
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: I've got an idea! How about one that would make text look like it was spoken by a Canadian!?! Better yet -- John Young. ]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen| to my mail, just hit the ctrl,

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 14:02 12/12/2000 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote: Better yet -- John Young. ]: Modern computer science has not advanced sufficiently to accomplish such a feat. :) -Declan

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-12 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 4:43 PM -0500 on 12/12/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: (Yes, I get the joke, and consider myself properly spanked. I'll go see *myself* how the Swedish Chef thing works. It can't be that hard, right?) As Senior Wences(sp?) used to say, "Eeesy for jou to say, for me, ees deeficult!) Okay, so it

Re: Digital Economy Jargon Generator

2000-12-12 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
At 04:04 PM 12/12/00 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Here you go: http://www.mccullagh.org/cgi-bin/jargonizer.cgi Nifty hack, Declan!

Re: US: Democracy or Republic?

2000-12-11 Thread Tim May
At 1:32 AM -0500 12/11/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 05:12:23PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: Quite. And the specter of the Florida legislature selecting a new set of electors are providing one of the best civics educations citizens young and old have had this century.

Re: Signatures and MIME Attachments Getting Out of Hand

2000-12-11 Thread Riad S. Wahby
"Sean R. Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ummm, Mutt *does* sent the message body as text/plain, and the content-type of the entire message is multipart/signed. Not sure what you're talking about here. The content-type of the signature is application/pgp-signature, which should just be

Re: Questions of size...

2000-12-11 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 9:48 PM + on 12/11/00, Ben Laurie wrote: Chambers defines geodesic as "the shortest line on a surface between two points on it" Thank you. It works in all dimensions, and, thus it's topological, right? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The

Re: Questions of size...

2000-12-11 Thread Tim May
At 5:56 PM -0500 12/11/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 9:48 PM + on 12/11/00, Ben Laurie wrote: Chambers defines geodesic as "the shortest line on a surface between two points on it" Thank you. It works in all dimensions, and, thus it's topological, right? Topology is typically not

Re: US: Democracy or Republic?

2000-12-10 Thread petro
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: From: "Kent Snyder-The Liberty Committee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. IT IS A REPUBLIC. THE ELECTORAL A republic is a form of democracy, a representative one. No, it isn't. -- A quote from Petro's

Re: Re: Data Logs

2000-12-10 Thread petro
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Russ K wrote: Maybe not, but the tools used to remove the barrel/s can be traced by teeth marks and other metal to metal contact. So the moral of the story is... If you want to destroy the potential barrel you'll need to: - Have replacement barrels purchased in a

Re: The US mis-election - an oportunity for e-voting..

2000-12-10 Thread Declan McCullagh
Robert, With respect, you're joking, right? The current system is flawed, true, but an Internet voting system would likely suffer from far more serious security, authentication, and fraud problems. This is a recurring topic of discussion in cryptographic and computer-risks circles. Do some web

Re: The US mis-election - an oportunity for e-voting..

2000-12-10 Thread Robert Guerra
Declan: I completely agree with you that internet voting isn't quite ready fom prime-time just yet. But given the current snafu I highly suspect that there will be a lot of interest in the field. Certainly, I hope one of the few things the new congress will be able to do is set-up a

Re: Questions of size...

2000-12-10 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Ray Dillinger wrote: (RAH might have called it a geodesic political culture if he hadn't got this strange Marxist idea that politics is just an emergent property of economics :-) Just by the way, how widespread is this use of the word 'geodesic'? Not very, I think. It seems

Re: Fractal geodesic networks

2000-12-10 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Carol A Braddock wrote: So say you -could- estimate a fractal dimension for the internet. What would the number be good for? If it could be shown that a consistent estimate exists and it was calculated, it would probably affect the scaling properties of the Net - after all,

Re: The US mis-election - an oportunity for e-voting..

2000-12-10 Thread Me
- Original Message - From: "Robert Guerra" [EMAIL PROTECTED] personally, if I had a say I'd say they should adopt the same system Canada uses. They use a 100 year old system, had few if any recounts, and managed to count all thier manual ballots in less than 72 hours. is there any

Re: Gates to Privacy Rescue? Riiight!

2000-12-10 Thread Tim May
At 2:27 PM -0800 12/10/00, petro wrote: Mr. May: The author also mentions that consumers dislike (so?) tracking of their purchases...and then in the next paragraphs cites the Firestone tire recall as an example of better policy than most Web sites have (or something like this...I re-read his

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:

2000-12-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 2:06 PM -0800 on 12/10/00, petro wrote: RAH whinged ...and in error. My apologies. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may

Re: Sunders point on copyright infringement HTML

2000-12-10 Thread Tim May
At 5:24 PM -0600 12/10/00, Allen Ethridge wrote: On 11/30/00 at 1:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim May) wrote: So, you might say, "it works." Nope. Problems: 1. I ain't gonna read messages that require me to launch my word processor. Mail shouldn't need external word processors or text

Re: A piece of advice??

2000-12-10 Thread Tim May
At 6:18 PM +0200 12/10/00, FRANKY wrote: Hello to everyone. I'm Alexis and as I'm new to cryptography I would appreciate a piece of advice. I've read the book "Applied Cryptography" by Bruce Schneier and I also have the "ICSA Guide to cryptography". However I would like to know where

Re: A piece of advice??

2000-12-10 Thread dmolnar
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, FRANKY wrote: to cryptography". However I would like to know where could I find more books related to cryptography. amazon.com is one place. see also http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/ for an online copy of the Handbook of Applied Cryptography. secure one system

Re: US: Democracy or Republic?

2000-12-10 Thread Steve Schear
At 03:26 AM 12/10/00 -0800, petro wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: From: "Kent Snyder-The Liberty Committee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. IT IS A REPUBLIC. THE ELECTORAL A republic is a form of democracy, a representative one. No,

Re: Gates to Privacy Rescue? Riiight!

2000-12-10 Thread petro
At 2:27 PM -0800 12/10/00, petro wrote: Mr. May: The author also mentions that consumers dislike (so?) tracking of their purchases...and then in the next paragraphs cites the Firestone tire recall as an example of better policy than most Web sites have (or something like this...I re-read his

Re: Sunders point on copyright infringement HTML

2000-12-10 Thread Anonymous
On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 04:46:05PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Fact is, PGP and SMIME went the _wrong_ direction when message signings started to require RTF, MIME, HTML, etc. (I realize these are not all the same thing. The real issue is "non-ASCII.") Apparently, Eudora didn't manage to

Re: Sunders point on copyright infringement HTML

2000-12-10 Thread Tim May
At 2:19 AM + 12/11/00, Anonymous wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 04:46:05PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Fact is, PGP and SMIME went the _wrong_ direction when message signings started to require RTF, MIME, HTML, etc. (I realize these are not all the same thing. The real issue is

Re: CDR:Re: The US mis-election - an oportunity for e-voting..

2000-12-10 Thread Robert Guerra
In article 001c01c062e0$5db95fc0$0100a8c0@golem, "Me" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any benefit to the 'canadian system' above it's lack of lawyers? Having a plethora of different standards sure doesn't help.. In Canada, and other countries there is a uniform ballot across the

Re: Sunders point on copyright infringement HTML

2000-12-10 Thread Sean R. Lynch
Sorry, that last one from me was out of line. I'm just tired of being accused of sending my messages as attachments by people with broken MUAs, and then their claiming that their MUA must handle MIME fine because they can click on the pretty little icon and have attachments magically open for

Re: fingerprint mouse.

2000-12-09 Thread Tim May
At 12:30 AM -0800 12/9/00, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Anonymous wrote: update HONG KONG--Siemens has a solution for people who constantly forget computer passwords: a mouse that recognizes fingerprints. By lightly tapping the fingertip sensor located at the top of the mouse,

Re: Mask Laws: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-09 Thread Bill Stewart
"Trei, Peter" wrote: Unless there is a specific loophole for Muslim women's veils, I suppose they are technically in violation, but as I said, these laws are hardly ever invoked. If say, there were a rash of terrorist attacks involving veiled persons occured, there'd be crackdown. One of the

Re: ip: Chaos Theory

2000-12-09 Thread auto110413
So this is interesting, but you do understand that from a strictly logical perspective it's completely inconsistent and makes no sense whatsoever?? Mr. Murphy complains that Gaza does not meet this "requirements" for being an anarchy - I would then respectully ask "what does???".. If Gaza is

Re:

2000-12-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 03:00:47AM -0800, Jonathan Wienke wrote: Hasn't any seen the movie 6th Day? Who needs a password when you can borrow the necessary biometric token from its owner if you have a hatchet or decent knife? I taped a CSPAN show about two years ago before a bunch of high

Re: Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]

2000-12-09 Thread Anonymous
Ond 12/09/2000, Ray Dillinger wrote: It is illegal in Georgia, and a number of other Southern states of the US, to appear in public wearing a mask. Not that it's usually enforced on anybody but the Ku Klux Klan. Dunno about other countries and other states. In "Church of the American

Re: Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]

2000-12-09 Thread Greg Broiles
On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 10:06:03PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: I was unable to locate any other states with statutes addressing "mask wearing" in public (without intent to commit burglary). No doubt the rest of the offending rules are ordinances instead. Also see 18 USC 242 and 42 USC 1985

Re: Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]

2000-12-09 Thread Peter Capelli
PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention] On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 10:06:03PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: I was unable to locate any other states with statutes addressing "mask wearing" in public (with

Re: Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]

2000-12-09 Thread Anonymous
Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oklahoma has a state statute prohibiting mask wearing (note the exceptions): ยง 1301. Masks and hoods--Unlawful to wear--Exceptions It shall be unlawful for any person in this state to wear a mask, hood or covering, which conceals the identity of the

Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-08 Thread Tom Vogt
Nomen Nescio wrote: I guess an equivalent ID will do. in germany, you need your ID card to open a bank account (um, for those not in the know: we have state-issue ID cards in addition to passports. the passport is a travel document, used to visit non-EU countries. the ID card is used

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:

2000-12-08 Thread Ken Brown
Petro wrote: R. A. Hettinga wrote: [...] As I've written, the FBI should run quality house cleaning services in large cities. How do you know they don't? In every office or factory I've ever been in, including government ones where we kept paper copies of tax returns (yes folks,

Gates to Privacy Rescue? Riiight! (was Re: BNA's Internet LawNews (ILN) - 12/8/00)

2000-12-08 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:30 AM -0500 on 12/8/00, BNA Highlights wrote: THOUGH TECHNOLOGY MIGHT HELP PRIVACY A meeting of business leaders in Redmond, Washington led to a frank debate over the insufficiency of North American action on consumer privacy and the potential for technology to play a key role in

Re: Questions of size...

2000-12-08 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, petro wrote: Mr. Brown (in the library with a candlestick) said: (RAH might have called it a geodesic political culture if he hadn't got this strange Marxist idea that politics is just an emergent property of economics :-) Just by the way, how widespread is this use of

Re: Questions of size...

2000-12-08 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 8:46 AM -0800 on 12/8/00, Ray Dillinger wrote: Just by the way, how widespread is this use of the word 'geodesic'? Not especially. :-). Offhand, I'd refer to many of the things I've seen it used for here as 'distributed' or 'fractal'. Is 'geodesic'

Re: Gates to Privacy Rescue? Riiight! (was Re: BNA's Internet Law News (ILN) - 12/8/00)

2000-12-08 Thread Adam Shostack
On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:07:38AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: | | At 8:30 AM -0500 on 12/8/00, BNA Highlights wrote: | | | THOUGH TECHNOLOGY MIGHT HELP PRIVACY | A meeting of business leaders in Redmond, Washington led to | a frank debate over the insufficiency of North American | action

Re: Gates to Privacy Rescue? Riiight!

2000-12-08 Thread Tim May
than most Web sites have (or something like this...I re-read his analogy several times and still wasn't sure what his claim was). But the irony of juxtaposing Firestone and "customers dislike tracking" is delicious indeed! It is the existence of customer records--generally voluntaril

Re: Questions of size...

2000-12-08 Thread Bill Stewart
At 08:46 AM 12/8/00 -0800, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, petro wrote: Mr. Brown (in the library with a candlestick) said: (RAH might have called it a geodesic political culture if he hadn't got this strange Marxist idea that politics is just an emergent property of economics :-)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fractal geodesic networks

2000-12-08 Thread Tim May
At 3:57 PM -0800 12/8/00, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Jim Choate wrote: Fractal simply means non-integer dimension. Yeah, that's where it started. But I'm using it more in the sense of meaning the properties that fractal structures have; self-similarity across scales, for one,

Re: Re: Fractal geodesic networks

2000-12-08 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 5:49 PM -0800 on 12/8/00, Bill Stewart wrote: At 02:47 PM 12/8/00 -0600, Jim Choate emetted: 'fractal geodesic network' is spin doctor bullshit. Well, buzzword bingo output anyway. :-). "Neological" is so much more... euphemisitic... And the Internet is most certainly NOT(!) geodesic

Re: Fractal geodesic networks

2000-12-08 Thread Carol A Braddock
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Fractal geodesic networks On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Bill Stewart wrote: more like a geodesic dome filled with boiled spaghetti... If you think about it this is actually one way to view the Internet. Consider the highest l

RE: Signatures and MIME Attachments Getting Out of Hand

2000-12-08 Thread Tim May
At 10:14 AM -0500 12/8/00, Trei, Peter wrote: File: SMIME.txt Sean writes: ASCII plain text *is* The Way. But guess what, PGP/MIME *is* plain text. You can even parse it with your eyeballs. Sean: Guess what: Your message comes as an attachment, which I have to open seperately. Peter

Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-08 Thread Ken Brown
"R. A. Hettinga" wrote: [...] I am not, of course, a banking lawyer, but I certainly hang out with enough of those folks these days, I've certainly had enough of this stuff shoved into my head over the years, and, I expect that to get a bank account without a Social Security number in

Re: Sex abuse Denver Need Help

2000-12-07 Thread Islam M. Guemey
Sounds like Stephen King's 'The Plant" All right. Question: What has this got to do with a hacking mailing list? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 6:29 AM Subject: Sex abuse Denver Need Help Ritual Satanic Ritual

Tim is innocent was Re: hi

2000-12-07 Thread Steve Mynott
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:02:17PM -0800, Tim May wrote: At 7:48 PM -0500 12/6/00, Trei, Peter wrote: [ .. ] Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? I have suspected this in the past over

RE: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread Trei, Peter
R. A. Hettinga[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote You're thinking of something else, but you're close enough. For instance, there are laws in most jurisdictions about requiring a social security number to open a bank account Are you saying that a visiting foreigner can't open a bank account

RE: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 10:20 AM -0500 on 12/7/00, Trei, Peter wrote: Are you saying that a visiting foreigner can't open a bank account in the US? I'd be quite suprised if this is the case. I would be surprised if you didn't need at least a tax ID number, myself. I'm not sure, because I don't have one, but I

RE: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread Trei, Peter
Green carders, yes. Visiting foreigners who are not working, not neccesarily. Tourists certainly not. How about if James Higginsbottom opens an account in the London branch of Citibank? Does he need a US SSN to do so? (I don't think so). Can he use the account in the US (I suspect he can).

RE: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 10:29 AM -0500 on 12/7/00, Trei, Peter wrote: Green carders, yes. Visiting foreigners who are not working, not neccesarily. Tourists certainly not. How about if James Higginsbottom opens an account in the London branch of Citibank? Does he need a US SSN to do so? (I don't think so).

Re: Bill Clinton belatedly decides that pot smoking should not be criminal

2000-12-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- At 05:39 AM 12/7/2000 -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote: The US Corrections System currently has 458,000 Drug War Prisoners. This figure may be a substantial under estimate, for it is fairly common practice in some courts, when someone is charged with a serious victimless illegal act, to

RE: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- At 10:20 AM -0500 on 12/7/00, Trei, Peter wrote: Are you saying that a visiting foreigner can't open a bank account in the US? I'd be quite suprised if this is the case. At 10:25 AM 12/7/2000 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: I would be surprised if you didn't need at least a

Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread Tom Vogt
"Trei, Peter" wrote: R. A. Hettinga[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote You're thinking of something else, but you're close enough. For instance, there are laws in most jurisdictions about requiring a social security number to open a bank account Are you saying that a visiting foreigner

Re: Tim is innocent was Re: hi

2000-12-07 Thread Tim May
At 10:27 AM + 12/7/00, Steve Mynott wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:02:17PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Rasha sounds like the typical illiterate student who has to take remedial English upon her arrival at Beaver College. I had a roommate in college who was one of these types, having to

Re: nambla

2000-12-07 Thread Tim May
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RE: My plan to deal with subpoenas to testify

2000-12-07 Thread Carskadden, Rush
Title: RE: My plan to deal with subpoenas to testify Yes, if you receive a subpoena, there will be information with the document that instructs you on how to contact a clerk that will make travel arrangements for you if necessary. The rule here is that they will compensate you, or outright

RE: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:59 AM -0800 on 12/7/00, James A. Donald wrote: Many years ago Ah. :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve

Re: RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-07 Thread Me
- Original Message - From: "Tom Vogt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] [re: Muslim women in vail, uncovering] that would be interesting to watch. for those people, the "masquerade" is NON optional, and - as I understand it - they simply can't give in. contrary to all the interne

Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread Nomen Nescio
Tom Vogt wrote: I guess an equivalent ID will do. in germany, you need your ID card to open a bank account (um, for those not in the know: we have state-issue ID cards in addition to passports. the passport is a travel document, used to visit non-EU countries. the ID card is used inside the

RE: Knowing your customer

2000-12-07 Thread Nomen Nescio
R. A. Hettinga wrote: Duncan Frissell popped up here on cypherpunks with pointers to the odd bank in South Dakota or somewhere, 4 or 5 years ago, where you could get a bank account without a SSN. It was exceptional in its example, and I would doubt it possible even now. ... Has anyone

Re: Signatures and MIME Attachments Getting Out of Hand

2000-12-07 Thread Sean R. Lynch
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 05:39:29PM -0800, petro wrote: Mr. May said: At 2:27 PM -0500 12/3/00, Adam Langley wrote: Attachment converted: G4 Tower HD:UK Govt seeks to capture and st (MiME/CSOm) (F86A) This is really getting out of hand! Attempting to open this message, by clicking

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:

2000-12-07 Thread petro
At 05:31 PM 12/5/00 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: An instructive case. Apparently they used the keystroke monitoring to obtain the pgp passphrase, which was then used to decrypt the files. A PDA would have been harder to hack, one imagines. Are there padlockable metal cases for PDAs? As I've

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re: BNA'sInternet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00)

2000-12-07 Thread petro
Mr. May: Frankly, the PGP community veered off the track toward crapola about standards, escrow, etc., instead of concentrating on the core issues. PGP as text is a solved problem. The rest of the story is to ensure that pass phrases and keys are not black-bagged. Forget fancy GUIs, forget

Re: nambla

2000-12-07 Thread Joe Baptista
What I find most annoying about police entrapment is the damage to children these police offers are responsible for. Bob Matthews who heads up the anti child porn squad in ontario spends most of his days raiding the homes of potential child molesters who turn out to be kids. Alot of kids

Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net

2000-12-06 Thread Tom Vogt
fogstorm wrote: So if an Australian puts it on his web site can the German government sue for copyright infringement? Can they prosecute for violation of their anti Nazi laws? If a German citizen views it in Amsterdam can his government prosecute when he returns home? they'll most likely try

Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:BNA'sInternet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00)

2000-12-06 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 9:56 PM -0800 on 12/5/00, Greg Broiles wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:16:03PM -0800, Tim May wrote: The legal fight over whether the monitor was legal and whether the information so obtained are in fact records of criminal activity is a side-show. It remains practical evidence of how

Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-06 Thread Declan McCullagh
A minor clarification: The formal proposal known as "Know Your Customer" was withdrawn (see my back articles on that topic). But other regulations in the same vein require banks to require ID. -Declan On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:18:53AM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at

Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-06 Thread Greg Broiles
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:07:57PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: A minor clarification: The formal proposal known as "Know Your Customer" was withdrawn (see my back articles on that topic). But other regulations in the same vein require banks to require ID. I'm not a banking law geek, but

Re: Re: About 5yr. log retention

2000-12-06 Thread John Young
Jim Choate blindly wrote: What law? The law was quoted just below the citation we provided: 18 USC 2703(f). The news report quotation exactly matches what the law says about preservation. Not that you'll read it but here it is again: Here's the source for news story report about data

RE: iPaq

2000-12-06 Thread Trei, Peter
There's also a Linux port, if you want to kid yourself that you're going to check the OS security yourself. Peter Trei -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-06 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 9:04 AM -0800 on 12/6/00, Greg Broiles wrote: Or am I thinking of something else? You're thinking of something else, but you're close enough. For instance, there are laws in most jurisdictions about requiring a social security number to open a bank account, for any of a number of reasons

Re: Knowing your customer

2000-12-06 Thread Declan McCullagh
Oh, and the proposed KYC rules would have required banks to go further than requiring ID (other current rules, as you say, require that) and try to determine source of funds, etc. -Declan You're thinking of something slightly different. The Fed-Treasury-FDIC action that caused so much fuss

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