Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
If someone (Frank?) is up to helping me a bit this weekend, how about putting our beta 5 this weekend. The reason is selfish: we (Teachscape) are gonna do a big release this weekend, I just fixed an issue I need, and I also would like to use the memory improvements, but I don't want to fix on

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
i think there are no really major showstoppers at the moment. (as far as i know) And whats the difference for you if you just take beta5 now and use that in your production or if we already called that final? It will be the same kind of code. There isn't anything different then the label we give

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 10/22/07, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think there are no really major showstoppers at the moment. (as far as i know) And whats the difference for you if you just take beta5 now and use that in your production or if we already called that final? It will be the same kind of

Re: Vote: Remove FilePageStore

2007-10-22 Thread Matej Knopp
We already have such thing. It's called SimpleSynchronousPageStore and it uses one file per page all in request thread. So it's not optimized at all, but it can be good for development. -Matej On 10/22/07, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: remove the current implementation the thing

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
But api breaking or not that still doesn't mean anything because if they use the label beta5 now and they use that now in production and it works perfect for them then that label doesnt say anything. But i agree if they need a fix then the drop in beta6 or RC or final could maybe not work. but i

Re: Vote: Remove FilePageStore

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
ok didn't know that, then it can be removed. On 10/22/07, Matej Knopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We already have such thing. It's called SimpleSynchronousPageStore and it uses one file per page all in request thread. So it's not optimized at all, but it can be good for development. -Matej

Announcement document for 1.3 final

2007-10-22 Thread Martijn Dashorst
All, Since talk has started on the final release of 1.3, we should start writing an announcement document that provides more insight into the new features of 1.3. The primary goal of this document is to post it on TSS, infoq, etc. The full list of jira issues would be overkill :-) Where shall we

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Frank Bille
Sorry for joining in so late. I don't have any time this weekend to do a release. I have time next weekend (3-4. nov.) Frank On 10/20/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, If someone (Frank?) is up to helping me a bit this weekend, how about putting our beta 5 this weekend. The

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Philip A. Chapman
On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 11:13 +0200, Johan Compagner wrote: but i am already in a none api break mode at this time I still hope that all the refactoring we have done in 1.3 will result in a much stabler api from now on For example i don't see the major interfaces like all the model

AW: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Stefan Lindner
You are asking the same question as I do for myself. How and when can we wicket 2.0 users can continue to use current wicket versions. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Philip A. Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 22. Oktober 2007 17:32 An: dev@wicket.apache.org Betreff:

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Martijn Dashorst
I suspect that he meant to say: the API is stable for 1.3. We still stick to supplying JDK 1.5 model implementations that sport generics. I haven't heard anything to the contrary. Generics support should become available on trunk after 1.3.1/1.3.2. Usually we create a separate branch for a stable

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
for me generics is not an api change. do you think that there was an api change in the jdk collection classes when they applied generices? the old code will still compile fine with the new generified api johan On 10/22/07, Philip A. Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-22 at

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
no i meant what i did say, i think the api change for 1.4 will not be that much changed as 1.2 - 1.3 (converters,validators,models all those are changed, i don't think that will happen any time soon again) and as i said generifying api is not an api change. johan On 10/22/07, Martijn Dashorst

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Igor Vaynberg
correct me if im wrong, but the plan was (and still is?) for 1.4 to ONLY have the generics applied... -igor On 10/22/07, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no i meant what i did say, i think the api change for 1.4 will not be that much changed as 1.2 - 1.3 (converters,validators,models

Re: Announcement document for 1.3 final

2007-10-22 Thread Sean Sullivan
Wiki +1 On 10/22/07, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since talk has started on the final release of 1.3, we should start writing an announcement document that provides more insight into the new features of 1.3. The primary goal of this document is to post it on TSS, infoq, etc. The

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Watter
igor.vaynberg wrote: i am not aware of any show-stopping bugs, so i am ok if the next release is an RC1. I'll pipe in as a user here. We have struggled with the markup ID issues discussed here:

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 10/22/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: correct me if im wrong, but the plan was (and still is?) for 1.4 to ONLY have the generics applied... Yes. 1.4 is for the last missing JDK 5 related features of 2.0. Eelco

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Igor Vaynberg
well, the idea is that we dont release it until after 1.3.2 by which time there shouldnt be very many bugs left in 1.3 -igor On 10/22/07, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah right. so if i do that in 1 weekend then we release 1.4? i don't think so. i am not going to maintain then

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
i think matej explained it very well in the link you gave in your mail. The markup id of a component is only know when the component is rendered in wicket we have 2 phases: 1 request phase (listener phase/component construction phase) 2 response phase (the render phase) so if you want a markupid

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
i only see 1 problem arise if we quickly release the 1.4 version then we have this: people still on 1.2.x (there are still bug reports coming in) people on 1.3 people on 1.4 and we have then branch for 2.0? and i have to see if we can finalize 1.3 with one (or 2) release(s) Of course just

Re: Announcement document for 1.3 final

2007-10-22 Thread Gerolf Seitz
+1 for Wiki too. i think it's the most visible media compared to google-docs and svn. On 10/22/07, Sean Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wiki +1 On 10/22/07, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since talk has started on the final release of 1.3, we should start writing an

Re: Announcement document for 1.3 final

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
can't it be appended to the wike site that we already have for explaining the api breaks? Thats already pretty explained there. johan On 10/22/07, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Since talk has started on the final release of 1.3, we should start writing an announcement

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
look at the TextTemplateHeaderContributor.forJavaScript() you can then substitute javascript id's with the generated onces. johan On 10/22/07, Watter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johan Compagner wrote: The only problem is custom javascript. But can't you also parse that javascript also

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Philip A. Chapman
On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 18:27 +0200, Johan Compagner wrote: for me generics is not an api change. do you think that there was an api change in the jdk collection classes when they applied generices? I've always thought of adding generics as an api change. Sure, it's one that doesn't break

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread John Patterson
On 22 Oct 2007, at 15:16, Philip A. Chapman wrote I've always thought of adding generics as an api change. Sure, it's one that doesn't break backward compatibility, but it's a change non the MetaDataKey(Class) - MetaDataKeyT would count as an API change? Because the keys are always

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
yes thats the exception. But still T is not really a substitute for the Class object Because if you just ignore generics then you can do what ever you want and currently you will get an exception.. But i guess it cleans up the api so that will be a break if nobody objects., johan On 10/22/07,

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread John Patterson
On 22 Oct 2007, at 15:55, Johan Compagner wrote: yes thats the exception. But still T is not really a substitute for the Class object Because if you just ignore generics then you can do what ever you want and currently you will get an exception.. But i guess it cleans up the api so that

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
but then you choose for it (you really have to make a choice what kind of object you put in it) thats not the case if it wasn't there. Also we could make it so that it was really 1 way of doing so object.getClass() == getClass() then even that wouldn't work. But that just annoys i guess. johan

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread John Patterson
On 22 Oct 2007, at 16:18, Johan Compagner wrote: but then you choose for it (you really have to make a choice what kind of object you put in it) thats not the case if it wasn't there. Also we could make it so that it was really 1 way of doing so object.getClass() == getClass() then even

Re: [jira] Created: (WICKET-1095) invisible TransparentResolver skips markup of visible children and thus resulting in an exception in Page#checkRendering (component not found in markup)

2007-10-22 Thread Gerolf Seitz
anybody with more insight into transparentResolvers (matej, igor?): what is the desired behavior for invisible transparentResolvers? it's really undefined right now, as the resolver is not rendered, but the children _are_ (though without markup). if children of an invisible transparentResolver