Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
If someone (Frank?) is up to helping me a bit this weekend, how about putting our beta 5 this weekend. The reason is selfish: we (Teachscape) are gonna do a big release this weekend, I just fixed an issue I need, and I also would like to use the memory improvements, but I don't want to fix

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
i think there are no really major showstoppers at the moment. (as far as i know) And whats the difference for you if you just take beta5 now and use that in your production or if we already called that final? It will be the same kind of code. There isn't anything different then the label we give

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 10/22/07, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think there are no really major showstoppers at the moment. (as far as i know) And whats the difference for you if you just take beta5 now and use that in your production or if we already called that final? It will be the same kind of

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
But api breaking or not that still doesn't mean anything because if they use the label beta5 now and they use that now in production and it works perfect for them then that label doesnt say anything. But i agree if they need a fix then the drop in beta6 or RC or final could maybe not work. but i

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Frank Bille
Sorry for joining in so late. I don't have any time this weekend to do a release. I have time next weekend (3-4. nov.) Frank On 10/20/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, If someone (Frank?) is up to helping me a bit this weekend, how about putting our beta 5 this weekend

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Philip A. Chapman
On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 11:13 +0200, Johan Compagner wrote: but i am already in a none api break mode at this time I still hope that all the refactoring we have done in 1.3 will result in a much stabler api from now on For example i don't see the major interfaces like all the model

AW: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Stefan Lindner
: Re: beta 5 this weekend? On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 11:13 +0200, Johan Compagner wrote: but i am already in a none api break mode at this time I still hope that all the refactoring we have done in 1.3 will result in a much stabler api from now on For example i don't see the major interfaces like

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Martijn Dashorst
I suspect that he meant to say: the API is stable for 1.3. We still stick to supplying JDK 1.5 model implementations that sport generics. I haven't heard anything to the contrary. Generics support should become available on trunk after 1.3.1/1.3.2. Usually we create a separate branch for a stable

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
for me generics is not an api change. do you think that there was an api change in the jdk collection classes when they applied generices? the old code will still compile fine with the new generified api johan On 10/22/07, Philip A. Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-22 at

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
no i meant what i did say, i think the api change for 1.4 will not be that much changed as 1.2 - 1.3 (converters,validators,models all those are changed, i don't think that will happen any time soon again) and as i said generifying api is not an api change. johan On 10/22/07, Martijn Dashorst

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Igor Vaynberg
correct me if im wrong, but the plan was (and still is?) for 1.4 to ONLY have the generics applied... -igor On 10/22/07, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no i meant what i did say, i think the api change for 1.4 will not be that much changed as 1.2 - 1.3 (converters,validators,models

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Watter
that documentation myself, but unfortunately, I don't. Even Matej's workaround that I linked to above doesn't make complete sense to me. I think I understand the general goal, but not technically how to achieve it. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/beta-5-this-weekend--tf4657032

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 10/22/07, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: correct me if im wrong, but the plan was (and still is?) for 1.4 to ONLY have the generics applied... Yes. 1.4 is for the last missing JDK 5 related features of 2.0. Eelco

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Igor Vaynberg
well, the idea is that we dont release it until after 1.3.2 by which time there shouldnt be very many bugs left in 1.3 -igor On 10/22/07, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah right. so if i do that in 1 weekend then we release 1.4? i don't think so. i am not going to maintain then

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
to achieve it. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/beta-5-this-weekend--tf4657032.html#a13349276 Sent from the Wicket - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
i only see 1 problem arise if we quickly release the 1.4 version then we have this: people still on 1.2.x (there are still bug reports coming in) people on 1.3 people on 1.4 and we have then branch for 2.0? and i have to see if we can finalize 1.3 with one (or 2) release(s) Of course just

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
through wicket? and replace the ids at that time? What do you mean by parsing the Javascript through Wicket? Perhaps it's that step that I'm missing and why Matej's explanation went a bit over my head. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/beta-5-this-weekend--tf4657032

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Philip A. Chapman
On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 18:27 +0200, Johan Compagner wrote: for me generics is not an api change. do you think that there was an api change in the jdk collection classes when they applied generices? I've always thought of adding generics as an api change. Sure, it's one that doesn't break

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread John Patterson
On 22 Oct 2007, at 15:16, Philip A. Chapman wrote I've always thought of adding generics as an api change. Sure, it's one that doesn't break backward compatibility, but it's a change non the MetaDataKey(Class) - MetaDataKeyT would count as an API change? Because the keys are always

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
yes thats the exception. But still T is not really a substitute for the Class object Because if you just ignore generics then you can do what ever you want and currently you will get an exception.. But i guess it cleans up the api so that will be a break if nobody objects., johan On 10/22/07,

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread John Patterson
On 22 Oct 2007, at 15:55, Johan Compagner wrote: yes thats the exception. But still T is not really a substitute for the Class object Because if you just ignore generics then you can do what ever you want and currently you will get an exception.. But i guess it cleans up the api so that

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread Johan Compagner
but then you choose for it (you really have to make a choice what kind of object you put in it) thats not the case if it wasn't there. Also we could make it so that it was really 1 way of doing so object.getClass() == getClass() then even that wouldn't work. But that just annoys i guess. johan

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-22 Thread John Patterson
On 22 Oct 2007, at 16:18, Johan Compagner wrote: but then you choose for it (you really have to make a choice what kind of object you put in it) thats not the case if it wasn't there. Also we could make it so that it was really 1 way of doing so object.getClass() == getClass() then even

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Igor Vaynberg
fine by me. i dont mind a release every one or two weeks. -igor On 10/19/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, If someone (Frank?) is up to helping me a bit this weekend, how about putting our beta 5 this weekend. The reason is selfish: we (Teachscape) are gonna do a big

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Gerolf Seitz
about putting our beta 5 this weekend. The reason is selfish: we (Teachscape) are gonna do a big release this weekend, I just fixed an issue I need, and I also would like to use the memory improvements, but I don't want to fix on a SNAPSHOT. But it's also a practice round to see whether we can

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Johan Compagner
+1 if frank or martijn can spend the time on this please release. On 10/20/07, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, If someone (Frank?) is up to helping me a bit this weekend, how about putting our beta 5 this weekend. The reason is selfish: we (Teachscape) are gonna do a big

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Johan Compagner
?) is up to helping me a bit this weekend, how about putting our beta 5 this weekend. The reason is selfish: we (Teachscape) are gonna do a big release this weekend, I just fixed an issue I need, and I also would like to use the memory improvements, but I don't want to fix on a SNAPSHOT

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Gerolf Seitz
On 10/20/07, dtoffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not about specific bugs, it's this little beta4 that my boss don't like. Stable as in no new features or breaking changes is enough, and as some less important bugs are found, some bugfix could be released as 1.3.01 for example. thank

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Johan Compagner
i am already in ff mode. except optimalisations like we did this few days. optimisations should always be right after major changes and freezzz On 10/20/07, Gerolf Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/20/07, dtoffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not about specific bugs, it's this little

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Gerolf Seitz
alright, then we should somehow make it official. also to communicate to potential users that the final release is getting closer. anyway, what do the others think? (weekends are a bad time to have a lively discussion ;) ) Gerolf On 10/20/07, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Igor Vaynberg
i am not aware of any show-stopping bugs, so i am ok if the next release is an RC1. -igor On 10/20/07, Gerolf Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alright, then we should somehow make it official. also to communicate to potential users that the final release is getting closer. anyway, what do

Re: beta 5 this weekend?

2007-10-20 Thread Evan Chooly
FWIW, i'd love to start seeing RCs. We're shooting for a late november release and I'd *really* like to see something final soon. It makes me a little nervous to be still in beta at this point in our release cycle. I'm not complaining, really. I know you guys are busy and are working on this