Hi Guys,
I know a lot of people think its still to early to start thinking about
changing the base OS...there are also a few of us that feel it needs to
be looked at quite quickly (have something getting up and running in
parallel). so if we all ever to get round to it *Smile* here is a
(apologies for top posting)
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the base we have at all. Remember
Linux is Linux forget the RedHat issues its a non starter - just think
like engineers.
For those that want to realise why this isnt a major issue let me explain.
Four years ago at VA Linux
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 06:25 am, Dick Morrell wrote:
(apologies for top posting)
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the base we have at all. Remember
Linux is Linux forget the RedHat issues its a non starter - just think
like engineers.
For those that want to realise why this isnt
Guys, I have seen enough of this to last a lifetime from this reflector.
Please refrain from putting others down. There is *NO* need to say things
like ...you havent the skills nor the time, nor the awareness of whats
needed... (sic) , even if you are convinced you are right. It is in
For the last few years I've used OpenH323 on VPN'd connections between
sites, with IP Phones and users with Gnomemeeting and OhPhone. I've always
set up gatekeepers up on internal machines with Procomm VoIP phones
looking to that as its gatekeeper.
I'd love to have OpenH323 as a core package
Jeff,
With regard to this item of your note...
3. A listserv has been setup (Thanks Shad!) to host devinfo and a few
other
lists. We have been able to migrate all of the devinfo history over and
are
waiting to coordinate with Mitel for the migration of the list.
We are ready to flip the
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 10:04:20AM -0500, Dan York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What we need to do then is have you send to this list subscription
info for the new list. Once people know that they can move their own
subscriptions over to the new list. We can then send a reminder
message or two
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:30:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 06:25 am, Dick Morrell wrote:
[...]
P.S. I am glad that it appears that Mitel is intending to follow through on
its' promises and releasing ALL the source for SME.
Nothing has changed. We have
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 09:59:23PM +, Dick Morrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is based on RH7.3 with proprietary and GPL Perl mods. I say proprietary
as there are more than a few GPL vagries.
Please provide specifics to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for any Mitel developed
packages. As far as we
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Dick Morrell wrote:
I'd love to have OpenH323 as a core package on GPL releases of SME. It's
not that hard to do but it can be unreliable sometimes. Has anyone else
ever played with this before ?
Brad Hards has:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL
Cheers Charlie I did use groups.google for 35 mins and came up with
absolutely nothing :)
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Charlie Brady wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Dick Morrell wrote:
I'd love to have OpenH323 as a core package on GPL releases of SME. It's
not that hard to do but it can be
Hey Brad,
Looking in your contribs directory I don't see this work. Since
ftp.e-smith.org isn't available anymore, do you want to put it up on
contribs?
-jeff
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To: Dick
Richard,
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 09:59:23PM +, Dick Morrell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is based on RH7.3 with proprietary and GPL Perl mods. I say
proprietary
as there are more than a few GPL vagries.
Please provide specifics to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for any Mitel developed
Dear All,
As a long time lurker on this list I've been used to plenty of friendly
banter going back and forth over the years. Think Darrell vs Charlie ;-)
etc...
Julian Luton
Boff Ltd
10 Frith Street - opposite the Dog and Duck
London
UK
+44 207 4343300
..computer people for creative
Dan stop taking the steroids
Since my first visit to e-smith.org, the lists or the forums, _this_ is
the most worst insult I ever saw comming from this community. I'm sorry
to see these kinds of posts... and feel sorry for the poster.
-HF
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Please mail
Dan stop taking the steroids
What's the point of this response?
Dick,
I agree with Dan/Gordon/Dan. You accused Mitel of breaking the GPL, yet
you offer no specific examples where they have done this.
If someone had accused my company of unethical/unlawful business
practices, I'd be on
Hello all and good day,
In regards to re-building anaconda (-7.3-7es115), I am looking for the
required newt-devel which will not conflict with the existing newt
package on a stock sme 6. Could someone point me to the newt-devel
package build which would work here?
Thank you,
Craig Jensen
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Dan stop taking the steroids
This is getting ridiculous!
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Craig Jensen wrote:
In regards to re-building anaconda (-7.3-7es115), I am looking for the
required newt-devel which will not conflict with the existing newt
package on a stock sme 6. Could someone point me to the newt-devel
package build which would work here?
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:
contribs.org is looking in to the most suiteable update mechachinsm.
Shouldn't that be a public discussion?
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Phone: +1 (613) 592 5660 or
Maybe, maybe not.
contribs.org is simply providing a central place with information about
the (future) development. All this information is for 'free' and
everybody can contribute and share this information.
Choosing any internal mechanisme is just another way of organising this
information.
I apologised to Dan offlist. I had a polite PRIVATE discussion with Greg,
and Dan chose to post back to the list. I dislike being slapped down to
size as I don't need it. I have apologised off list to Dan and I am
following that through here.
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:
Dan
Up to now contribs.org has chosen to provide ways of communication that
can be archived and organised in different ways and fully searchable. A
IRC channel is hard to archive and search in such a way (It can be done,
I know). With the contribs.org forums and lists we think there are
sufficient
Jason Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] nous a bargouiné:
Just so everyone knows, there in now a channel setup on the IRC network
freenode.net called #contribs.org
And since at least 18 month, there is an active francophone IRC channel :
#sme-fr on IRCNET (for exemple server irc.nerim.fr)
but, as
Thank you. We agree. The entire reason contribs.org exists is because
there was no centralized resource. There is now and we should utilize it as
best we can.
-jeff
In my opinion, all international ressources and means of
communication MUST be concentrated on contribs.org
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Franck
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Jeff Coleman wrote:
Thank you. We agree. The entire reason contribs.org exists is because
there was no centralized resource.
Water under the bridge now, but there was a centralised resource -
e-smith.org, which was (is) mirrored around the world.
An open invitation to
Personally I found e-smith.org easier and faster to use. It did need
maintenance and updates on contribs and how-to, but it was much faster...
Just my feeling...
One thing using this mailing list... whi isn't the reply-to header changed
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on e-mails... It's a pain to always
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Jeff Coleman wrote:
Sorry Charlie,
No offense intended.
No offense taken. I just wanted to set the record straight.
I agree that there was fragmentation of relevant information but that's
because people chose not to take up our offer. We were not in a position
to
Hi Jason,
To clarify, my only intention with creating the channel was to have a
place to casually chat with other users of the E-Smith/SME distro. If it
is wanted I can just let the channel lapse.
Your initiative is appreciated. I just tryed to explain why contribs.org
has not claimed it
Hi Andre,
Personally I found e-smith.org easier and faster to use. It did need
maintenance and updates on contribs and how-to, but it was much faster...
Just my feeling...
You're absolutely correct. The current contribs.org is a bit slow. But
as said earlier on the list, we'll try to make it a
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 03:16:12PM -0600, Jason Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To clarify, my only intention with creating the channel was to have a
place to casually chat with other users of the E-Smith/SME distro. If it
is wanted I can just let the channel lapse.
I think it sounds like a
Gang,
I've put together a quick HowTo for installing rdiff-backup
http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/examples.html on SME 5.X. It should work on
6.0 as well, but I don't have a test box handy right now so I can't confirm
that. Can anyone else?
What is rdiff-backup? From the website...
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 08:33 am, Dick Morrell wrote:
Guys, I have seen enough of this to last a lifetime from this reflector.
Please refrain from putting others down. There is *NO* need to say things
like ...you havent the skills nor the time, nor the awareness of whats
needed...
On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 16:39, Rich Lafferty wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 03:16:12PM -0600, Jason Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To clarify, my only intention with creating the channel was to have a
place to casually chat with other users of the E-Smith/SME distro. If it
is wanted I can
Hi Noah,
Your how-to states that 'This work' is being released under the
following license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0/
Is this a valid license? for almost everything is GPL, except for the
how-to itself.
Just curious since this was discussed on the list today.
Nice work
Is this a valid license? for almost everything is GPL, except for the
how-to itself.
I'm not sure I have the legal knowledge to answer that question, but I'm sure
someone else on the list will. ;-) Usually, any public domain writing I do
(i.e. websites, blogs, etc...) I release under the CC
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Hsing-Foo Wang said the following on 12/16/2003 2:18 PM:
| contribs.org is simply providing a central place with information about
| the (future) development. All this information is for 'free' and
| everybody can contribute and share this
Then why has the discussion been taken private? It hardly seems to be a
good way to start off, particularly when you'll want the support of the
people being excluded. Does this show what we can expect in the future?
George,
It was necessary to take organizational conversations private as
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 11:11 am, Gordon Rowell wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:30:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It has been a long wait for some packages, and it is nice to see.
Please provide specifics - you presumably have
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Greg Zartman wrote:
getting done. Please be assured that 95% of what's being discussed
off-list at this time is organizational in nature (e.g., how are we
going to move the lists, what bug tracking are we going to use, what's
our next move, how are we going to
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Charlie Brady wrote:
Indeed. FTR, I use yum version 1.0.3-1_73 (from dulug, IIRC), and my
/etc/yum.conf contains:
Well, it does, but that config doesn't work yet.
You'll need to comment out this section for the next little while, as the
above version of yum doesn't
Frankly, I wonder as well...
I agree. Closed lists are bad. I don't like them either. However, as
previously indicated, it was necessary to get certain things done. A
group started with a simply CC list in email messages. This proved to
be a real pain in the butt, so a list was put
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Rich Lafferty wrote:
I manage all my home Fedora boxes with yum, and before that used yup
heavily with Yellow Dog Linux. It *is* a good packaging solution; I'd
go so far as to say that the real benefit would be if it was used for
both updates and for RPM-based contribs
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Greg Zartman said the following on 12/16/2003 7:28 PM:
| It was necessary to take organizational conversations private as
| everyone was running around talking about wild ideas and nothing was
| getting done. Please be assured that 95% of what's
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 07:37 pm, Charlie Brady wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 11:11 am, Gordon Rowell wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:30:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It has been a long wait for some packages, and it is nice
Hi Craig,
We can only get where we want to go as long as 'we' are together in the
process :-)
And contribs.org is just doing that for the benefit of the _whole_
community. Basically, If you don't like what you see, you're free to go
your own way. We're talking Open Source here, so you have as
Dick,
I havn't played with OpenH323 but over the last month have been playing
about with SIP VOIP gateways on SME V6.
I have setup Asterisk ( a full blown pabx) and SER (SIP Express Router).
Asterisk worked well as a SIP gateway but is a nightmare to provision
services. This would be good stand
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:09 pm, Charlie Brady wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 07:37 pm, Charlie Brady wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 11:11 am, Gordon Rowell wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16,
Hsing-Foo Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please feel free to share your thoughts and contributions on this
matter. contribs.org is merely trying to create a starting point. If
something better is requiered by the community I assume contribs.org
will comply and do what it has always have been
Sorry that this may be off the topic of development but there has been a lot
of conversation on this list lately about the future of the distro.
There have been many questions concerning the direction of the GPL SME
Server. I certainly can't speak for the community, but I can speak for
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:52 pm, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
On 16/12/03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] did say:
So what constitutes a working SME system is not ALL going to be released
into open-source AND you are considering parts of SME and/or Red Hat as
LGPL in some cases to make this
Charlie,
Are the sources Mitel are releasing sufficient to build the unsupported
developer release 6.0 ISO when compiled with other open, readily available
sources ?.
If there are Mitel proprietary sources involved, are these being released in
some (binary) form that will allow the ISO to be
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