Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Setup Advice

2011-02-27 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 2/26/2011 4:27 PM, Mark Preston wrote: Thanks very much for this. I have the downloaded set-up files now and will think hard on whether to install it or not - it has to depend on how heavily we need the system working over the next weeks. If this remains an issue, I can see it being a major

Re: [tdf-discuss] Setup Advice

2011-02-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 2/21/2011 4:16 PM, Mark Preston wrote: I'm about ready to load up LibreOffice and start running it for work but have really one simple question before I do. Background is I will be running it on Windows Vista, currently run OpenOffice and will be using it near daily including with MS Office

Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...

2011-01-15 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/15/2011 8:30 AM, Francesc Mediterranean wrote: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Loss of formula in open document spreadsheet via excel

2011-01-11 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/11/2011 3:10 PM, e-letter wrote: Readers, Admittedly not using LO but the predecessor calc, recently realised that if a spreadsheet is created using calc and saved in native ods format, upon open using m$excel the formulas of a cell disappear to leave only the total value? Yet if calc is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/2/2011 6:34 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/3/11 1:12 AM, Barbara Duprey wrote: I was under the impression that the vanilla versions of Office since 2007 SP2 could read and write ODF formats, with no need to install any plugins (but with their own special twist on ODF). From what you say

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/3/2011 4:55 AM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: snip It may be that without explicity aiming to remove users from our sister, OOo, aiming to take the other 20% who do not use MSO 07 (plus those who do!) may be a more effective way to spread the file format. If we can get ODT used enough -

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/3/2011 3:06 AM, Davide Dozza wrote: Il 02/01/2011 20:41, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: [...] inconsistencies. However, it's fortunately or unfortunately, should not be a problem: OOo LibO implement the existing and used version of MS *proprietary formats* used in MS Office 2007 and 2010

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/3/2011 10:26 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/3/11 3:40 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: Unfortunately, this means that most user-created documents going to those with more recent versions of Office will be handled by the MS ODF, which is especially unfortunate for spreadsheets. If we get

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/3/2011 11:19 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Barbara, Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:55:21 -0600, Barbara Dupreyb...@onr.com a écrit : On 1/3/2011 3:06 AM, Davide Dozza wrote: Il 02/01/2011 20:41, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: [...] inconsistencies. However, it's fortunately or unfortunately,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-02 Thread Barbara Duprey
why I think it's a good move to read them. The issue is about writing the Transitional formats. Do you think we have to do that to claim the moral high ground? On 01/01/2011 03:29 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: On 1/1/2011 11:07 AM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Hi Sveinn, Sure, but how about

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-02 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/1/2011 7:53 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 01/01/2011 11:29 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: Several of the comments here suggest a middle road, allowing the save but with a message clarifying the limitations of the format (and perhaps recommending use of the XP formats if interoperating with an MS

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-02 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/2/2011 12:01 PM, Craig A. Eddy wrote: On 01/02/2011 10:46 AM, Lee Hyde wrote: SNIP My understanding is that Microsoft intends to implement strict OOXML gradually, with each successive release of Microsoft Office using an increasingly 'strict' form of transitional OOXML. Assuming

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-02 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/2/2011 12:47 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/2/11 7:15 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: No, that was not the point. Italo Vignoli wrote: LibreOffice writes OOXML and will write OOXML, and this is not under discussion. That is the point I objected to. I might have been too harsh, but I reiterate

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-02 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/2/2011 2:29 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/2/11 8:15 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: Italo, one of the things that would make me (and maybe others here) feel better about OOXML support is if writing to the XP formats causes LibO to make compromises that do not have to be made going to OOXML

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-02 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/2/2011 4:56 PM, Bruno Girin wrote: On 2 January 2011 17:19, Barbara Dupreyb...@onr.com wrote: On 1/2/2011 2:29 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/2/11 8:15 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: [snip] It would be good to know which works better for interoperability when sent to an MS-only shop -- ODF

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-01 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/1/2011 11:07 AM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Hi Sveinn, Sure, but how about conservation and readability by future generations (when there's no more Microsoft knowledge around and nobody knows anymore how to decrypt all the nuances of.doc + .docx files) ? Fair point. But: most users do

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-01 Thread Barbara Duprey
OOo and LibO already do read those formats -- it's only the capability to write them that's an issue. The Go-OO version and its derivatives, and as a consequence now LibO, write them, and objecting to that is what started this whole (enormous) thread. The standard as written already deprecates

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-01 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/1/2011 5:01 PM, James Wilde wrote: On Dec 30, 2010, at 18:27 , Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 12/30/2010 4:14 PM, BRM wrote: - Original Message snip We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is quickly becoming the world standard at least at the government level - which means in a few years most organizations that support governments will need to

Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL]Fontwork tool

2010-12-29 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 12/29/2010 6:55 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi, Tom Hamsher schrieb: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:05 PM, RGB ESrgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: No, not the fontwork gallery but this tool: http://s2.subirimagenes.com/imagen/5721292fontwork.png With this very useful tool you can have text following a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 12/20/2010 6:13 AM, Michael Wheatland wrote: On 20/12/2010 7:03 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodts.mehrbr...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it's good to change the names of the Applications so that they describe what each application does. LibreOffice is the brand which will be known and names of the

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Change executable names] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 127 (3742-3762)

2010-12-18 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 12/18/2010 7:52 AM, Carlo Strata wrote: Il 18/12/2010 14:21, MiguelAngel ha scritto: What is critical and impossible? The associations are with a executable file in a specific path. No problem for two files with same name in different paths. No problem to change the association to an

Re: [tdf-discuss] Community Management

2010-12-16 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 12/16/2010 3:45 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: Benjamin Horst wrote (14-12-10 16:21) I agree with you about the possible negative connotations of the term manager, but I think it's just a terminology problem. You could think of the role as Community Facilitator or even host if you prefer. The actual

Re: [tdf-discuss] Community Management

2010-12-16 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 12/16/2010 2:40 PM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote: Hello, On 12/16/2010 3:45 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: Benjamin Horst wrote (14-12-10 16:21) I agree with you about the possible negative connotations of the term manager, but I think it's just a terminology problem. You could think of the role as

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] Community Management

2010-12-16 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 12/16/2010 3:18 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Johannes, Barbara, Did you have a look at our community bylaws? Most of your points are addressed there. Best, Charles. snip Sorry, no -- guess I'd better shut up until I have! :-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mailing List Languages [was Re: Request: Installation Instructions]

2010-11-26 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/26/2010 12:51 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: I am not trying to hijack this list, but wouldn't it be better to have a list for each language that we support, if we have users of particular languages they can use that list and not have to struggle to use English to get help? (Sorry, but

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe

2010-11-26 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/26/2010 6:42 PM, Scott Furry wrote: Try sending a message to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org. You should very soon get a confirmation message; replying to that should complete the unsubscribe and you'll get a Goodbye message. If that doesn't work,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/24/2010 12:27 PM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:27, Carl Symonscarlsym...@gmail.com wrote: I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an office productivity solution I'd prefer personal productivity software or personal productivity package... 0.2 cents. David Nelson

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/23/2010 8:07 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Robert et al: Here is the information from Jean Hollis Weber from the documentation team. Jean is one of the senior leads on the documentation team. == Marc, thanks for passing this on. Some factual info regarding the OOo user

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/24/2010 7:00 AM, Michael Wheatland wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: Does Drupal Forums allow one to 'subscribe' (get email notifications) to both Main Topics/Sections as well as individual threads? The Drupal messaging/notification

Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion

2010-11-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/20/2010 7:39 PM, drew wrote: On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 16:55 -0500, Lyle Cochran wrote: From a promotional perspective, I'd use terminology like Migrating from Microsoft Office. This provides implicit reinforcement that migrating to LibO from MSO is such a common occurrence that we need a

Re: [tdf-discuss] New support list suggestion

2010-11-19 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/19/2010 7:16 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Charles, * Charles Marcus schrieb: I'd really like to see an email support list dedicated solely to questions in the nature of I know how to do this in Excel/Word/Powerpoint, but how do I do it on Calc/Writer/Impress?... I'd rather like to

Re: [tdf-discuss] again: link to netiquette or libo page for listmail footer Posting guidelines

2010-11-08 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/8/2010 1:57 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hello all, I'm starting to change the listmail footers of the other mailinglists according to the on appending this mail. Does anyone know a good link to mailinglist netiquette or is there already setup a project related wiki page which can be

Re: [tdf-discuss] Changed footer of listmails

2010-10-26 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/26/2010 1:31 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi TDF enthusiasts, I changed the footer for mails of this list. As requested by several people I added a link to http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html leading to proven advice how to write mails that will reach a high chance to be read

Re: [tdf-discuss] Changed footer of listmails

2010-10-26 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/26/2010 4:18 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Barbara, *, Barbara Duprey schrieb: On 10/26/2010 1:31 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi TDF enthusiasts, I changed the footer for mails of this list. [..] I'd prefer having a wiki page containing a short 3 step guide summarizing

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-22 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/22/2010 11:25 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-22 11:38 AM, Barbara Duprey wrote: OK, then I'm back to my initial position -- since informative responses can easily come deeper in the thread, this technique (even if it were supported by the list manager capabilities) would lead

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/21/2010 9:52 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 8:55 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: In that regard, the modification of the Reply-To is, I think, more likely to give a false sense of security than to fix the problem of people not getting responses they would benefit from. I totally

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/21/2010 12:02 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: If we had a similar page for OOo, it would make an enormous difference there, as well. Why not - http://oucv.org/oooext.html I did not setup that nabble archive, and can't change settings - if you back up there to the openoffice level you are

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:55 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: Howdy Barbara I don't have anything against forums (though I hope we can avoid having two top-level ones, as for OOo, and careful planning is needed in determining the subforums). The main

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-20 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/19/2010 1:16 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 19, 2010, at 00:27 , Barbara Duprey wrote: Does this mean you're a (the?) moderator for this list? Not having that Delivered-To header definitely does complicate things! I'm amazed that anybody is posting here unsubscribed at this point, I'd

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-19 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/18/2010 11:38 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:09 +1300, Paul A Norman wrote: Yep I've had two confirmtatoin that I have left the list and still the emails come rolling Does this constitute nuisnace email now? Paul Sure - you click on reply to the confirmation emails -

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-18 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/18/2010 1:24 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 17, 2010, at 19:54 , Charles Marcus wrote: ... I do know that the users/discuss lists volume is way too heavy for an 'average user' to get any benefit from. For example, since checking my email last on Friday evening, there have been 150+ new

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-18 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/18/2010 1:16 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 16, 2010, at 00:50 , Barbara Duprey wrote: ... It is often not clear whether or not the OP is subscribed -- many can't/won't look at the full headers or filter on them, and sometimes they join the discussion later, when the header

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-17 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/17/2010 3:52 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Barbara, Barbara Duprey wrote on 2010-10-17 03.13: Are you saying that letting unsubscribed users post to a mailing list breaks rules? (That may be, but the issue has been discussed to exhaustion many times and still looks like Lilliput's

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-17 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/17/2010 10:28 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Barbara Duprey wrote on 2010-10-17 17.25: I understand, and you have my sympathy :-) -- but don't a lot of those requests come from people who *subscribed* but still don't understand how lists work, what they do, what they are for? I see

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-16 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/15/2010 7:11 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Barbara, Barbara Duprey schrieb: [...] [Bernhard, I'm not sure you actually saw my post == it's all snipped here. But I think it's pertinent to some of your points.] I did - but as I only replied to the main point (in my eyes), I removed

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-16 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/16/2010 11:56 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Barbara, Barbara Duprey wrote on 2010-10-16 01.15: I think if there were a Reply capability in the LibO archive, we could accomplish most of the task even without automatic support. Either those of us who already pay attention to whether

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/15/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-15 9:58 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 15, 2010, at 13:43 , Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-15 2:18 AM, James Wilde wrote: Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as