Re: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
I have to agree for the most part with Steve. I really do not see this move by Adobe as a choice of weakness because they cannot compete in lateral markets.Whenever code is contributed to Mozilla, this usually indicates a community centric approach to get more involvement in the world community environments to develop more open source solutions to create better products. Since ActionScript offers a substantial library for Object Oriented programming for rich interfaces, I would foresee the increase in RIA applications.Microsoft has used Flash for their public facing pages in the past. The world's adoption of the Flash Player as the quickest adopted rich media solution shows the acceptance of ActionScript based tools. Myself and most developers that I know have Firefox installed on their system out of personal choice and acceptance of community supported browsers that have a better history of security and adoption of web standards. The move seems logical to give Flash to the world internet community as a demonstration of desire to push web interfaces.TeddyOn 11/8/06, Steven Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And som more links:http://www.betanews.com/article/Adobe_Donates_Flash_Code_to_Mozilla/1162924245 http://news.google.com/news?q=adobe+donates+flash+scripting+enginehl=enlr=client=safarirls=ensa=Xoi=newsct=titleOn 11/8/06, Steven Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions that aren't based on any substantiated facts. Here is an article concerning the move http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168153/adobe-donates-flash-code article content below -- Adobe has donated its ActionScript Virtual Machine code to the Mozilla Foundation, kicking off a new open source project dubbed Tamarin. Tamarin will be a component of SpiderMonkey, the core _javascript_ engine for Mozilla's Firefox browser. Adobe's ActionScript offers a scripting language for the company's Flash player. Flash technology is best known for its use by online video websites such as Youtube and Google Video. The language is similar to _javascript_ and Microsoft's JScript. Adobe and Mozilla expect that the donation will speed up the creation of a standards based scripting language, promote the creation of online applications and increase their performance on Firefox. Scripting languages are at the core of today's Web2.0 applications. The Ajax technology that forms the basis of Gmail and Flickr for instance is an acronym for Asynchronous _javascript_ and XML. The Adobe contribution is the largest code donation that Mozilla has received in its 3 year history. On 11/7/06, Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another company. But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based offerings.When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.And there just isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any significant way, so they give it up to the people and let them join in for free. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com- Original Message - From: Precia To: discussion@acfug.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla Adobe has donated the Flash scripting engine code to Mozilla. The announcement was made at the Web 2.0 conference. Would someone enlighten me on the big picture of this gesture. Precia- To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Steven Ross web application interface developer http://www.zerium.com [mobile] 404-488-4364 [fax] 928-484-4364--Steven Rossweb application interface developer http://www.zerium.com[mobile] 404-488-4364[fax]
Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions that aren't based on any substantiated facts. You don't really need (and will probably not have) any substantiated facts at hand when drawing conclusions about future actions a public company might take. All you have is instinct, an understanding of what truly drives public companies, market forces, technology innovations, etc, to guide you. Licking your finger and sticking it in the air to tell which way the wind blows helps, too. How are you ever going to have any substantiated facts that tell you in plain terms what a company definitely will do? The facts that are released to the public have been thoroughly sanitized and neutered by Public Relations andLegal, and the SEC only lets you say certain things (virtually nothing of importance) when mergers are about to happen. I wouldn't even call most of them facts, but rather diversions from the real facts being hidden. I mean, big business is often a poker game, yes? There are things that Chizen is dealing with right now that will determine how Adobe will "handle" its inheritance of the Macromedia product line, and they have absolutely nothing at all to do with any of us or how "cool" some people think ColdFusion is. And federal law dictates that Chizen, as the leader of a publicly traded company,*must* act with sole regard to the betterment of his stockholders' financial positions, as long as those actions do not violate any laws. So let's all stop being naive about ColdFusion's future having anything at all to do with current number of installations, how much you like it, how important it is to you, or anything else that a developer might see as important. It may be hard to swallow, but nothing about you or what you do is of any importance to them whatsoever. Respectfully, Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training inC# ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers atProductivityEnhancement.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
I would like to vote Sterling for ColdFusion evangelist.Also, I think it is poor tact to comment in a ColdFusion mailing list that ColdFusion is some sort of toy ball that is being passed around.Eeach company that has purchased ColdFusion has pushed the product further. Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe all value the product and that is why it still exists. Plus, why was ColdFusion even entered into the argument when the article was about ActionScript? There are projects to integrate Flex with PHP, CF and .Net. At Adobe MAX, there were .Net sessions on how to integrate with Adobe product lines. Adobe is not trying to seperate, there are trying to integrate. I know this for a fact. Teddy On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most ridiculous comment I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been drinking? If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby publicly pledge to buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive restaurant you can find in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we bet dinner that it doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 ColdFusion Enterprise is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not washed their hands of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, whether or not you accept the bet. Here's three points I'd like to make. 1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of ColdFusion.Do you think they are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as well? Do you know how much money they've been losing on the high-end, Java base LiveCycle product linesfor years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group to brand new, state of the art digs reinvesting even more into that effort. Acrobat itself was a money loser for half a decade before it became the most lucrative product line in Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and Photoshop. Adobe is used to making long-term investments, and the purchase of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp by them is one of the best things that could have happened for tech junkies like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed investment, which even surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe is doing that any doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be humorous. 2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core technology like ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from LiveMotion (an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for those of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not one made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as such, but it is a most absurd deduction. 3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that Microsoft's XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt most of your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of adopting standards in a way that consistently (and many believe, intentionally) breaks competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly done so with Flash, you can't easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using standard web service technologies (ever try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper community is a key target audience for Flex. In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes into the core _javascript_ standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to be the driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate one. Seriously, with no disrespect intended, Sterling Ledet From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adam ChurvisSent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively soon),Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying todump it on another company. But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric development model and toolscannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based offerings. When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an unwieldycobbled together tinkertoy. And there just isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any significant way, so they give it up to the people and let them join in for free. Respectfully, Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
Wow, Sterling -- I didn't mean to piss you off like that! Do you remember that ACFUG meeting after the merger was announced, where you were on the panel and everyone was trying to figure out "what next" with ColdFusion? I thought the arguments you were making about the importance of fringe things like CF's gateways and how the growth in cellular technology was going to make ColdFusion yada yada yada was, let's say, "not on point." It simply doesn't matter. It's like a bunch of little ants scurrying around in a lab beaker discussing the reasons why that big man in the lab coat is going to feed them soon, because it's only logical and yada yada yada. But they have no clue that the guy is there to test the effects of heat on ants. They can see him through the glass and they think they know what's important to him and how it will affect his actions, but they just don't realize that nothing they're thinking or doing or saying has any relevance to what that guy is going to have to do in order to get graded on his science project, which is the only thing of any real relevance because that guy is the one with the power to bring things into alignment with what the real Powers That Be demand of him. And past actions have little to do with future actions. Do you really think that stubborness to continue supporting stagnant products like LiveCycle will stand in the face of shareholder demands forprofitability? Decisions to "continue or can" products and even entire product lines are often made with what some might take as offhandedness by the leaders of publicly traded companies, but it's really just a realization of what finally needs to be done. You say that "Adobe does not kill products," and that may be true right now, but shareholder pressure has a way of changing such decisions. And actually, most of our peers agree with us about Microsoft technologies beating Adobe technologies hands down. I usually don't make absolute statements, but if I were to make one it would probably be that Flex will never ever ever in any way shape or form ever have a significant share of the web. And I'd even say that the current trend of companies migrating from ColdFusion to .NET will continue, which is another reason for my guess that Adobe will take the open source route with ColdFusion. These are just guesses, but I believe that my reasoning is more rooted in reality than yours. And I'll be happy to take you up on your bet. If by Christmas 2009 Adobe hasn't open sourced, outsourced, or sold ColdFusion (all of these courses are "washing their hands"), then I buy. The last time we had dinner together was 14 years ago at Nakato, and Lisa still hasn't gotten over the octopus tentacles draped over the side of her bowl, so this time I pick, regardless! :) Respectfully, Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training inC# ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers atProductivityEnhancement.com - Original Message - From: Sterling Ledet To: discussion@acfug.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most ridiculous comment I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been drinking? If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby publicly pledge to buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive restaurant you can find in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we bet dinner that it doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 ColdFusion Enterprise is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not washed their hands of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, whether or not you accept the bet. Here's three points I'd like to make. 1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of ColdFusion.Do you think they are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as well? Do you know how much money they've been losing on the high-end, Java base LiveCycle product linesfor years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group to brand new, state of the art digs reinvesting even more into that effort. Acrobat itself was a money loser for half a decade before it became the most lucrative product line in Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and Photoshop. Adobe is used to making long-term investments, and the purchase of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp by them is one of the best things that could have happened for tech junkies like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed investment, which even surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe is doing that any doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be humorous. 2) Adobe does not kill products, especially no
Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
Ben Forta keeps a list of who uses CF:http://www.forta.com/cf/using/TeddyOn 11/8/06, Steven Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From Ben Forta: http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=C7F3A45C-3048-80A9-EF3C7DA746A45DCEOn 11/8/06, Ajas Mohammed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone,I think Adam's comment is not correctIf Adobe wanted to wash off there hands, then that would have happened long time back... Looking at the pace CF is going, I think it will be pretty much liked among the CF community. Plus not to forget the new version code named Scorpio which is due to be released next year. I dont think that CF will end up at hands of Open Source anytime. One of the biggest users of CF is Bank of America, the number 1 bank here There would be many more top companies that would be using CF today.. if anyone knows any big companies using CF, plz mention it here Ajas Mohammed. On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most ridiculous comment I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been drinking? If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby publicly pledge to buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive restaurant you can find in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we bet dinner that it doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 ColdFusion Enterprise is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not washed their hands of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, whether or not you accept the bet. Here's three points I'd like to make. 1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of ColdFusion. Do you think they are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as well? Do you know how much money they've been losing on the high-end, Java base LiveCycle product lines for years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group to brand new, state of the art digs reinvesting even more into that effort. Acrobat itself was a money loser for half a decade before it became the most lucrative product line in Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and Photoshop. Adobe is used to making long-term investments, and the purchase of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp by them is one of the best things that could have happened for tech junkies like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed investment, which even surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe is doing that any doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be humorous. 2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core technology like ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from LiveMotion (an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for those of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not one made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as such, but it is a most absurd deduction. 3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that Microsoft's XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt most of your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of adopting standards in a way that consistently (and many believe, intentionally) breaks competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly done so with Flash, you can't easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using standard web service technologies (ever try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper community is a key target audience for Flex. In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes into the core _javascript_ standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to be the driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate one. Seriously, with no disrespect intended, Sterling Ledet From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adam Churvis Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another company. But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based offerings.When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy.And there just isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any significant way, so they give it up to the people and let them join in for free. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
I wasn't in the least upset, Adam. I just thought the posting merited a rather strong response since I so vociferously disagree. In the panel discussion you mentioned, I tried to clearly explain that my read was that Adobe would continue to push ColdFusion technology as a major part ofwhat at that time was called their "network publishing" initiativeand integrate it fully with LiveCycle since it was such a natural fit. The mobile pieces in ColdFusionhad already begun prior to the merger, and while Adobe continues to be a driving force in that area and is clearly not abandoning it, that industry is filled with it's own ecosystem challenges. History has made it clear that the conjectures I made at that panel have proven largely accurate. LiveCycle is about as stagnant as IRS tax forms and FDA drug submittals. If the IRS never changes another tax form, the FDA never changes a drug submittal procedure, ACORD insurance forms never change again, and the hundreds of major enterprises that have adopted LiveCycle technology decide to rip and replace their solutions with purely Microsoft code, then perhaps it's fair to call LiveCycle stagnant. In my opinion, that's just another trolling attempt. I know LiveCycle has never been more exciting. I'm glad I spent as much time with it as I did, and even well-respected ColdFusion tech shops like FigLeaf are clearly committing serious resources to it. LiveCycle is far from stagnant. LiveCycle 8 new features were shown at Max, and stagnant products don't receive millions in RD investment from publicly traded companies. Have you even purchased Acrobat 8 yet? What's more, it's clear to me that the release of the XPAAJ.jar file (which previously was only available with a $50K and up LiveCycle server licensing fee, prior to the merger)and the ease of integration with ColdFusion, as well as the free license to deploy apps based on it on the Internet (if you own ColdFusion) make ColdFusion based PDF forms processing and workflowapplications one of the best areas for ColdFusion developers to focus on. Whether you want to call it LiveCycle or just the evolution of PDF-based workflow applications makes no difference, but it's totallyinaccurate to call LiveCycle stagnant. Livecycle and ColdFusion are both vibrant, highly relevant technologies and it's never, ever, been a better time to be a developer for either one of these two closely related technologies. I wonder just how many actual users of InfoPath Microsoft has. I'd be willing to bet it's not even 1% of the users of Adobe Reader. I wouldn't venture to call InfoPath stagnant or irrelevant, it's just clear to me that Adobe PDF remains the de facto standard for unified document distribution and publishing both in professional prepress (the world where I come from) and on the web. LiveCycle server side technology, as well as ColdFusion, are clearly a very strong part of that business solution platform.. While you are right that occasionally publicly traded companies get some pressure from stockholders to show quarterly results, Adobe has never been a company to be overly concerned about such short term metrics, and it's stock is dong quite well. Bruce has more than enough control within that organization to see his strategicinitiatives through to completion without having to worry about some sort of imaginary shareholder revolt. As an Adobe shareholder myself, I'm delighted with the company's performance and I would venture to guess that most other shareholders are quite satisfied with it's approximately 400% increase in value since the dot come meltdown. It's also worth mentioning that for some reason, my MSFT shares haven't gained much value at all over that sametime period. Some might even use the word "stagnant" to describe the long term performance of MSFT graphically displayed using Flex technology by somelittle company, I forgot, (oh yeah, I think they arecalled Yahoo!, but we all know a company like that would never adopt some clearly inferior technology like Flex, so I must be wrong on that one as well), at http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=adbe;range=5y;compare=msft;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source= - Sterling P.S. I still love octopus! When well done it's one of my favorite types of sushi. We shouldn't wait 3 years for another dinner! But I like all kinds of food, so I'm cool with wherever you pick if you want to get together again before another 3 years pass. In any case, I'll be looking forward to January 2010. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam ChurvisSent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:51 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla Wow, Sterling -- I didn't mean to piss you off like that! Do you remember that ACFUG meeting after the merger was annou
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively soon),Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying todump it on another company. But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric development model and toolscannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based offerings. When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an unwieldycobbled together tinkertoy. And there just isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any significant way, so they "give it up to the people" and let them join in for free. Respectfully, Adam Phillip ChurvisCertified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 DeveloperBlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training inC# ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers atProductivityEnhancement.com - Original Message - From: Precia To: discussion@acfug.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla Adobe has donated the Flash scripting engine code to Mozilla. Theannouncement was made at the Web 2.0 conference.Would someone enlighten me on the big picture of this gesture.Precia-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla
I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions that aren't based on any substantiated facts. Here is an article concerning the move http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168153/adobe-donates-flash-code article content below -- Adobe has donated its ActionScript Virtual Machine code to the Mozilla Foundation, kicking off a new open source project dubbed Tamarin. Tamarin will be a component of SpiderMonkey, the core JavaScript engine for Mozilla's Firefox browser. Adobe's ActionScript offers a scripting language for the company's Flash player. Flash technology is best known for its use by online video websites such as Youtube and Google Video. The language is similar to JavaScript and Microsoft's JScript. Adobe and Mozilla expect that the donation will speed up the creation of a standards based scripting language, promote the creation of online applications and increase their performance on Firefox. Scripting languages are at the core of today's Web2.0 applications. The Ajax technology that forms the basis of Gmail and Flickr for instance is an acronym for Asynchronous JavaScript and XML. The Adobe contribution is the largest code donation that Mozilla has received in its 3 year history. On 11/7/06, Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another company. But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based offerings. When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy. And there just isn't enough Adobe funding available to change that in any significant way, so they give it up to the people and let them join in for free. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com - Original Message - From: Precia To: discussion@acfug.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to Mozilla Adobe has donated the Flash scripting engine code to Mozilla. The announcement was made at the Web 2.0 conference. Would someone enlighten me on the big picture of this gesture. Precia - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Steven Ross web application interface developer http://www.zerium.com [mobile] 404-488-4364 [fax] 928-484-4364 - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
