http://www.forta.com/cf/using/
Teddy
On 11/8/06, Steven Ross
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From Ben Forta:
http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=C7F3A45C-3048-80A9-EF3C7DA746A45DCE
On 11/8/06, Ajas Mohammed < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I think Adam's comment is not correct....If Adobe
> wanted to wash off there hands, then that would have happened long time
> back... Looking at the pace CF is going, I think it will be pretty much
> liked among the CF community. Plus not to forget the new version code named
> Scorpio which is due to be released next year. I dont think that CF will end
> up at hands of Open Source anytime. One of the biggest users of CF is Bank
> of America, the number 1 bank here.... There would be many more top
> companies that would be using CF today.. if anyone knows any big companies
> using CF, plz mention it here
>
> Ajas Mohammed.
>
>
> On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most ridiculous comment
> I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been drinking?
> >
> > If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby publicly pledge to
> buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive restaurant you can find
> in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we bet dinner that it
> doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 ColdFusion Enterprise
> is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not washed their hands
> of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, whether or not
> you accept the bet.
> >
> > Here's three points I'd like to make.
> >
> > 1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of ColdFusion. Do you think they
> are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as well? Do you know how much money
> they've been losing on the high-end, Java base LiveCycle product lines for
> years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group to brand new, state of the art
> digs reinvesting even more into that effort. Acrobat itself was a money
> loser for half a decade before it became the most lucrative product line in
> Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and Photoshop. Adobe is used to
> making long-term investments, and the purchase of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp
> by them is one of the best things that could have happened for tech junkies
> like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed investment, which even
> surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe is doing that any
> doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be humorous.
> >
> > 2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core technology like
> ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from LiveMotion
> (an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for those
> of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe
> plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not
> one made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as
> such, but it is a most absurd deduction.
> >
> > 3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that Microsoft's
> XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt most of
> your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together
> tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of
> adopting standards in a way that consistently (and many believe,
> intentionally) breaks competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly
> done so with Flash, you can't easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using
> standard web service technologies (ever try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to
> MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper community is a key target audience
> for Flex.
> >
> > In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes into the core
> _javascript_ standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to be the
> driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex
> easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate one.
> >
> > Seriously, with no disrespect intended,
> >
> > Sterling Ledet
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adam Churvis
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 PM
> > To: discussion@acfug.org
> > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to
> Mozilla
> >
> >
> >
> > Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively
> soon), Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the
> open source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another
> company.
> >
> > But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric
> development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based
> offerings. When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an
> unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy. And there just isn't enough Adobe
> funding available to change that in any significant way, so they "give it up
> to the people" and let them join in for free.
> >
> >
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Adam Phillip Churvis
> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> > BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
> >
> >
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