Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Al Lorona
You are right about all of that, but the original post (and the original QST letter to which it referred) appeared to be talking about copying a single signal, rather than the complex process of discriminating between two signals close to each other, and it implied some near-universal

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Walter Underwood
I prefer the Golden Ratio for my solder, but 63/37 is often the best I can find. Sadly. wunder K6WRU On Oct 19, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Al Lorona wrote: You are right about all of that, but the original post (and the original QST letter to which it referred) appeared to be talking about copying

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Barry
I don't have perfect pitch, but I have pretty good pitch. For example, I can tune in a RTTY signal without any tuning aids. As a high speed CW guy, I once experimented with various base frequencies to see if it affected my upper speed limit. My hypothesis was since square waves are odd harmonic

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread drewko
Unless you're using APF, in which case a few Hz might make a difference. Like others, I don't buy the musical CW pitch theory either. However, the pitch of a CW note IS important, and there may be different optimum pitches for various different reception conditions (assuming your hearing response

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
There is a study from 1992 that tested recognition rate vs pitch frequency. Unfortunately only a few tones were tested, but at least one can infer that a low tone is preferrable. This is in Montnemery, Peter, Bengt Almqvist, and Sten Harris. Recognition of telegraphy signs at different listening

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Are you saying they don't? On 10/19/2013 11:22 PM, Al Lorona wrote: The next thing you know, someone somewhere is going to claim that Elecraft radios soldered with 63/37 solder sound superior to those soldered with a different blend. Al W6LX [who listens at about a D-flat]

[Elecraft] Proset-K2 For Sale

2013-10-20 Thread John Scott
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Rich
I think I'll replace all my K3 wiring with Monster Cable and replace the speaker with a Bose Wave system Shouldn't be needed, however.. *G..r..i..n.. * Rich NU6T On 10/19/2013 11:22 PM, Al Lorona wrote: You are right about all of that, but the original post (and the original QST

[Elecraft] Proset-K2 For Sale

2013-10-20 Thread John Scott
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Oliver Johns
Hi Jim, My only gripe is that the K3 choice range doesn't go down to 400 Hz. I'd like to use 440, a pure standard A. 73, Oliver W6ODJ On 19 Jan. 2013, at 22:30 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 10/19/2013 2:36 PM, Al Lorona wrote: When I was a kid 750 Hz was the most

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Stephen Prior
Oliver, My K3 goes down to 300Hz! 73 Stephen G4SJP On 20 October 2013 18:43, Oliver Johns ojo...@metacosmos.org wrote: Hi Jim, My only gripe is that the K3 choice range doesn't go down to 400 Hz. I'd like to use 440, a pure standard A. 73, Oliver W6ODJ On 19 Jan. 2013, at 22:30

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
My only gripe is that the K3 choice range doesn't go down to 400 Hz. It certainly does - it goes down to 300 Hz. However, I find A4 a bit low for my taste - I'm satisfied with a 3.88 Hz error on B4 or 3.25 Hz error on C5. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/20/2013 1:43 PM, Oliver Johns wrote: Hi

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread donhall161
Oliver, I've used my K3 on 440 for several years. 73 Don K5AQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list

[Elecraft] RFTB Tonight!

2013-10-20 Thread Larry Makoski
Tonight is the October 2013 edition of the Run For The Bacon. That friendly lil' ol' QRP Sprint sponsored by your friends at the Flying Pigs QRP Amateur Radio Club International. Join us for a spell to have some fun and to say Hi to friends, old and new. The time is the same as always: East

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I'm using 1.69 beta firmware that stops at 400 Hz. I'm just happy that the 1 kHz sidetone that was almost standard for many years is no longer popular. All of my radio licensing CW tests at the FCC offices used 1 kHz. That made my brain ache, not to mention the tendency for it to echo when using

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
What 1.69 beta firmware? Current/Latest Production release is 4.67 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/20/2013 3:22 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I'm using 1.69 beta firmware that stops at 400 Hz. I'm just happy that the 1 kHz sidetone that was almost standard for many years is no longer popular.

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Bruce Beford
I assume you are talking about the KX3 beta firmware. This discussion has been about the K3 sidetone pitch. Production firmware level for the K3 is 4.67. Bruce N1RX I'm using 1.69 beta firmware that stops at 400 Hz. __ Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Tony Estep
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Oliver Johns ojo...@metacosmos.orgwrote: ...440, a pure standard A... Gee, maybe it's a good thing radio wasn't invented back in the days when A was 415. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread mcduffie
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:36:00 -0700 (PDT), Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: Based on this result, it would be interesting to zoom in on the frequencies between 250 and 500 Hz for further testing, also higher speeds would be interesting to test as 40 and 80 is the same as 8 and 16 wpm. Peter

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/20/2013 1:46 PM, mcduf...@ag0n.net wrote: All this said, remember if you are detecting tones ELECTRONICALLY (not by ear/brain cooperation), higher frequencies work better. The reason is the same as what makes VHF PL tones work better when they are in the higher end of the chart. There

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Bad assumption. Without a model mentioned I was thinking about the KX3, not the K3. 300 Hz is correct for the K3. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Sunday, October 20,

Re: [Elecraft] CW Pitch Resolution

2013-10-20 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
To sum up the interesting studies from the early 90's on Morse code recognition and the effects of pitch frequency, signal to noise ratio and code speed I posted the abstracts of some of the Montnemery papers on my blog as well as some key illustrations. See

[Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

2013-10-20 Thread Joel Black
I wonder if it would be too difficult to emulate a bug with the KX3 keyer. Something similar to what K1EL does with his K14 keyers (and possibly the WinKeyer). That way, those of us who are SKCC members can take our paddles and use them to emulate a bug when out in the field without having

[Elecraft] KPA100 problem with SWR bridge - High SWR

2013-10-20 Thread Stan AE7UT
I'm building a KPA100 and am having trouble with the SWR bridge adjustment. I'm getting high swr on the lower bands and can't get 1:1 on even the upper bands. 160 9.9:1 809.9:1 409.9:1 309.5:1 206.7:1 175.0:1 154.5:1 124.0:2 103.7:1 (I know 9.9 is the highest it

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

2013-10-20 Thread EricJ
Wouldn't that sort of defeat the idea of a straight key club which is to encourage using a straight key not pretending to use one? Eric KE6US SKCC 86 On 10/20/2013 4:56 PM, Joel Black wrote: I wonder if it would be too difficult to emulate a bug with the KX3 keyer. Something similar to what

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

2013-10-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Good point, but I have found that a lot of SKCC members enjoy using their bugs *instead* of a 'straight key', so I can understand the interest. SKCC might better be called the MKCC for Manual Key Century Club. I have run into a lot of bugs on Straight Key Night sponsored by the ARRL too. 73

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

2013-10-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
I have never found electronic bug modes to be satisfactory for me. With a mechanical bug, there is positive feedback to the keying that is important to me - that is entirely missing from an electronic keyer set to bug mode. It may be my shortcoming, but I just cannot get the hang of it.

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

2013-10-20 Thread Fred Jensen
On 10/20/2013 8:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I have never found electronic bug modes to be satisfactory for me. With a mechanical bug, there is positive feedback to the keying that is important to me - that is entirely missing from an electronic keyer set to bug mode. It may be my shortcoming, but

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

2013-10-20 Thread EricJ
But he wouldn't be using a bug. He'd be using the electronic keyer in the KX3. Dots would be electronically generated even if dashes weren't. Straight keys, bugs and cooties (I use all three) explicitly meet the SKCC rules because they are mechanical keys. An electronic keyer probably isn't

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

2013-10-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I agree with you and Don. My previous interest in a bug mode was that when I'm not in a position to use my real bug, I'd like to have a keyer that did not make automatic dashes just so I don't lose my bug rhythm. After a few decades of using an Iambic keyer before returning to my old mechanical

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

2013-10-20 Thread Frank Precissi
My IC746PRO has a Bug Mode where it would emulate a bug using physical paddles. Its sorta neat to play with, but as others have said, using paddles to emulate a bug makes my brain wonky since I go by feel (even at my 10wpm). An option would be nice for both the K3 and KX3 since it makes the rig