Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-23 Thread Bob Nielsen
Even Jasik, ed., "Antenna Engineering Handbook" mentions the balun. My first ham antenna (1952) was a 40 meter dipole fed with 72-ohm twinlead and a B 1:1 air-core balun and I once worked on an airborn military system which used a balun. The term "unun" has a much more dubious justification,

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-23 Thread Mel Farrer via Elecraft
BTW, don't look at the BL2 to help with any CMI, it doesn't do a very good job. Mel, K6KBE From: Clay Autery <caut...@montac.com> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage You missed my point...  I'm gon

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-23 Thread Clay Autery
You missed my point... I'm gonna let it go, because it's just not that important to argue the point here. 73, __ Clay Autery, KY5G On 5/23/2017 11:45 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Terminology does count, especially in technical areas, like radio. > > If you ask to

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-23 Thread Wes Stewart
Since a truck can be defined as a wheeled vehicle for moving (heavy) loads, many variations exist. Likewise, a balun can be defined as a device for converting from a single-ended to a balanced source/load and many variations exist. The fact that both terms are all-inclusive doesn't negate

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-23 Thread Bill Leonard N0CU
I was going to respond to Jim’s comments about terminology, but Wes presented my thoughts better than I could have. I would like to address two of the comments that were made in the responses. First, EZNEC is powerful tool that can help understand theoretical behavior of ideal antenna systems.

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-23 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Terminology does count, especially in technical areas, like radio. If you ask to borrow my truck, and I say "yes" and hand you my hand-truck (two-wheeled dolly) it's probably not what you were thinking. On 5/22/2017 10:19 PM, Clay Autery wrote: How about not worrying what to call it, period?

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-22 Thread Clay Autery
How about not worrying what to call it, period? Just realize that the entire assembly from the antenna connector on the transceiver to the connector on the driven element is simply an Impedance Matching Network (or Assembly if you prefer or even Impedance Matching Device, because all of

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-22 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon,5/22/2017 10:07 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: PLEASE ignore all of Jim's pontification. Then YOU take responsibility for teaching everyone how they work. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-22 Thread Wes Stewart
That is one, but far from the only form of a balun. A single-ended input, differential output amplifier is a balun for example. Wes N7WS On 5/22/2017 2:42 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: It is useful to remember that a so-called "balun" is nothing more than a length of transmission line - most

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-22 Thread Wes Stewart
PLEASE ignore all of Jim's pontification. I find it curious that Terman ("Radio Engineering"), Kraus ("Antennas"), Johnson ("Transmission Lines and Networks") all use the "meaningless" word "balun" in their books. Clearly, these guys should have consulted with Jim before doing so, because

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-22 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Leonard N0CU Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:42 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage I am no expert when it comes to baluns, but here are several comments that are based upon som

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-22 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon,5/22/2017 12:42 PM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote: I am no expert when it comes to baluns You're not the only one. :) Some important comments. First, PLEASE strike the word "balun" from your vocabulary. It is a meaningless word that tells us NOTHING about the device or circuit element it

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-22 Thread Bill Leonard N0CU
I am no expert when it comes to baluns, but here are several comments that are based upon some research that I have recently done on the subject: 1) Now, unlike in the past, the most commonly used balun is the current balun. Most current baluns use some type of transmission line (if they do, they

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-21 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Balun ratings are for a 1:1 SWR. My experience has been that when the impedance gets very reactive, baluns heat up more. I had a 5 kW DXE balun get too hot to touch with around 1 kW in such a situation. Canceling the reactance on the open-wire line side of the balun made it run cool.

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-21 Thread Phil Hystad
> Quoted from Fred (“Skip”) K6DGW… > (1) The MFJ-259x series of antenna/feedline analyzers havean N coax > connector. Using the BL2, you can connect it to the balanced ladder line. How > were you planning to connect it without the balun? As you state it, it does > not sound like a reasonable

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-21 Thread Ignacy
Just to add to one extra reply. Z readings from 259B or VA1 are inaccurate. SWR measurement is pretty good, though. BL2 balun is very good in transforming 200 to 50 or 50 to 50. It is hard to figure out exactly what is does outside the range. When BL2 is not hot, it is good enough. Whether it

Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

2017-05-21 Thread Fred Jensen
Hi Phil, (1) The MFJ-259x series of antenna/feedline analyzers havean N coax connector. Using the BL2, you can connect it to the balanced ladder line. How were you planning to connect it without the balun? As you state it, it does not sound like a reasonable experiment design. (2) The