Re: [Emc-users] Slides, Endoders and Resulotion

2007-12-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 23:01 -0500, xtra209 wrote: I checked out some treadmill motors rescued from defunct treadmills and discovered they are really not reversible. Mine will run in both directions but one direction the armature arcs more than the other direction. A closer investigation of

Re: [Emc-users] Slides, Encoders, and Resolution

2007-12-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 12:09 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: (Dooh, fixed title spelling) On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 11:43 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: I got the first pass on my Bridgeport X axis working and I am having trouble with tuning. I am using a brushed DC motor with a 3:1 belt ratio between

Re: [Emc-users] Magnetic Geartooth Sensor for Spindle

2007-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 07 December 2007, Tony Bussan wrote: I cruised some of the Honeywell sensor pages and the Digikey catalog page with the 1GP4001 on it. I had studied the previous Digikey page because I was interested in the Honeywell 103SR13A-1 which are installed on my Hardinge lathe. I am guessing

Re: [Emc-users] Magnetic Geartooth Sensor for Spindle

2007-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 07 December 2007, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 07 December 2007, David Winter wrote: Dear All, By my calculations a 50 tooth gear at 3000 rpm gives a 2500 Hz signal, not 150 kHz. David Winter. Ahh, I think your

Re: [Emc-users] Magnetic Geartooth Sensor for Spindle

2007-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 07 December 2007, David Winter wrote: Dear All, By my calculations a 50 tooth gear at 3000 rpm gives a 2500 Hz signal, not 150 kHz. David Winter. Ahh, I think your calculator is broken David. According to kcalc,

[Emc-users] tool list/axis abstraction

2007-12-07 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, Given: 5 different machines with EMC controls - 3 each 5 axis and 2 each 3 axis 4 different machine configurations - each of the 5 axis mills are a different configuration the 2 three axis mills are

Re: [Emc-users] tool list/axis abstraction

2007-12-07 Thread John Kasunich
Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, Given: 5 different machines with EMC controls - 3 each 5 axis and 2 each 3 axis 4 different machine configurations - each of the 5 axis mills are a different configuration

Re: [Emc-users] Magnetic Geartooth Sensor for Spindle

2007-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 07 December 2007, John Kasunich wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: I possibly didn't word that as precisely as I could. But at zero speed, there truly is no signal to condition. Only if its moving can it generate a signal. Not true. Hall and MR sensors are DC sensitive devices. From 1984

Re: [Emc-users] Magnetic Geartooth Sensor for Spindle

2007-12-07 Thread David Winter
Dear All, By my calculations a 50 tooth gear at 3000 rpm gives a 2500 Hz signal, not 150 kHz. David Winter. - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out

Re: [Emc-users] Slides, Encoders, and Resolution

2007-12-07 Thread RogerN
I don't know if you're set up to do this but you could use your shaft encoder for feedback to a drive and your linear encoder for feedback to EMC. That's what my Anilam controls do (one has been replaced with EMC, works great) but they use tach feedback to the drives. The drives are tuned to

Re: [Emc-users] Magnetic Geartooth Sensor for Spindle

2007-12-07 Thread John Kasunich
Gene Heskett wrote: I possibly didn't word that as precisely as I could. But at zero speed, there truly is no signal to condition. Only if its moving can it generate a signal. Not true. Hall and MR sensors are DC sensitive devices. From 1984 to 1991 I worked at a company that makes MR

Re: [Emc-users] tool list/axis abstraction

2007-12-07 Thread Stuart Stevenson
The axis substitution hurts my head, and I'm not even going to think about it. Axis substitution is no more than mass substitution of the axis label to allow the control to use the program. The rotary axis values should be the same regardless of the machine configuration. It may be

Re: [Emc-users] Slides, Endoders and Resulotion

2007-12-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 14:08 -0800, Peter C. Wallace wrote: What is your deadzone? ... snip If you mean deadband, I have it set to 1e-05. I set it to 1e-04 and 1e-06 which had no effect. You need to set it to 3E-03 to get it above your stated backlash. (You can try

Re: [Emc-users] Magnetic Geartooth Sensor for Spindle

2007-12-07 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: I possibly didn't word that as precisely as I could. But at zero speed, there truly is no signal to condition. Only if its moving can it generate a signal. A Hall effect device is sensitive to a stationary magnetic field, unlike a coil of wire, which requires a moving

Re: [Emc-users] Slides, Encoders, and Resolution

2007-12-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I jury rigged an encoder to the motor and it tunes fairly well now, but now the travel end points are affected by the backlash. I am looking at getting the MicroKinetics ballscrew kit. http://www.microkinetics.com/convkit.htm (at the bottom of the page) which appears

Re: [Emc-users] Teach mode ?!

2007-12-07 Thread Patrick Ferrick
Hi all, I'm surprised that saving a series of manual moves (for later playback) is apparently not very high on anybody else's wish list of EMC2 additions...Anyway, it's something I would like to be able to do. For what its worth! (I'm running 2.0.5, by the way. I thought that hilighting and

Re: [Emc-users] Remote GUI

2007-12-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
Does the remote need a complete EMC install? I copied just the bin, opps, I guess its a python file, axis to my Fedora PC and it complained about not finding a Tkinter module. I can setup another EMC machine but I thought it might be easy to only set up AXIS on an existing PC. On Fri, 2007-12-07

Re: [Emc-users] Remote GUI

2007-12-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
This is what came to mind first, but I wonder if some processes could be off-loaded to free up resources for control type stuff? VNC and remote X sessions burn up allot of processing and network bandwidth don't they? On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 15:20 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to

Re: [Emc-users] tool list/axis abstraction

2007-12-07 Thread Javid Butler
Stuart- I think what we will eventually arrive at is a Description Language for tools. The type of DL that most people on this list will probably be familiar with is an HDL-hardware description language-used to describe programmable logic. DDL was developed to address similar needs in the

[Emc-users] Remote GUI

2007-12-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
I would like to run AXIS remotely. I wrote some notes: http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/remote_notes.html to help me keep things sorted out. I am going to give it a try, but if anyone has comments or corrections, please let me know. Thanks. -- Kirk Wallace (California, USA

Re: [Emc-users] Slides, Encoders, and Resolution

2007-12-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 12:46 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Kirk Wallace wrote: I jury rigged an encoder to the motor and it tunes fairly well now, but now the travel end points are affected by the backlash. I am looking at getting the MicroKinetics ballscrew kit.

Re: [Emc-users] Remote GUI

2007-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 07 December 2007, Alex Joni wrote: Hi Kirk, it looks pretty ok from a first glimpse. Some outdated stuff in there, but you'll be able to sort it out. There are 2 nml's included with emc2 which help you set up remote GUI functionality. There is one issue I want to raise here: opening

Re: [Emc-users] tool list/axis abstraction

2007-12-07 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, I have not thought this through to be able to spec exactly what I want. I have never worked in a shop with a master tool list. I used to do some contract NC programming for shops with a master tool list. The contract programmer is not given the 'easy' parts to do, (ie: the parts the

Re: [Emc-users] Remote GUI

2007-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 07 December 2007, Kirk Wallace wrote: Does the remote need a complete EMC install? I copied just the bin, opps, I guess its a python file, axis to my Fedora PC and it complained about not finding a Tkinter module. I can setup another EMC machine but I thought it might be easy to only set

Re: [Emc-users] Remote GUI

2007-12-07 Thread Andrew Ayre
I don't know. I think that the protocol used across the network is fairly lightweight. I would think that you would have to re-do the realtime latency test while using the remote desktop to find out for sure. Andy Kirk Wallace wrote: This is what came to mind first, but I wonder if some

Re: [Emc-users] Remote GUI

2007-12-07 Thread Alex Joni
Hi Kirk, it looks pretty ok from a first glimpse. Some outdated stuff in there, but you'll be able to sort it out. There are 2 nml's included with emc2 which help you set up remote GUI functionality. There is one issue I want to raise here: opening ngc files. For this to work both the GUI and

Re: [Emc-users] Remote GUI

2007-12-07 Thread Andrew Ayre
Wouldn't it be easier to use remote desktop type functionality? For example VNC? If the PC that connects to the CNC machine is headless I think there is vnc4server, which only runs a desktop when you connect via VNC. Not 100% sure and I haven't tried it. Andy Kirk Wallace wrote: I would like

Re: [Emc-users] Teach mode ?!

2007-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 07 December 2007, Patrick Ferrick wrote: Hi all, I'm surprised that saving a series of manual moves (for later playback) is apparently not very high on anybody else's wish list of EMC2 additions...Anyway, it's something I would like to be able to do. For what its worth! (I'm running

Re: [Emc-users] Teach mode ?!

2007-12-07 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 01:55:22PM -0500, Patrick Ferrick wrote: Hi all, I'm surprised that saving a series of manual moves (for later playback) is apparently not very high on anybody else's wish list of EMC2 additions...Anyway, it's something I would like to be able to do. For what its