On 3 Jul 2014, at 5:09 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
A brain simply hosts a self, best generalised as a mind. This might be the
same as soul, but I'm not really into the supernatural, only a vastly
expanded reality.
Based on assertions about your feelings?
Brent
Yes.
On 3 Jul 2014, at 9:09 am, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote:
Yes, primary belief, though necessarily incorrigible in the first
instance, is nonetheless vulnerable in the second instance to
correction or reinterpretation. Just as well, really.
But is it? If primary belief (your belief
On 4 Jul 2014, at 11:31 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Another bloviating blustering belligerent bellicose bunch of bollocks from Mr
Clark follows:
For the moment forget what your third grade English teacher may have said
and answer the following question:
For the moment maybe switch
On 3 Jul 2014, at 10:49 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
So I think having convenient shorthands for various stances on these matters
is a handy convention, which I would hope everyone who contributes to the
forum recognises. (Although personally I'm still not sure who Plotinus was or
versa.
Consciousness is therefore more than the contents of consciousness. Where does
this magical ability of matter to organise its own self-organising information
system come from? How does the machine construct its own operating system?
Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL
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On 20 Jul 2014, at 10:21 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God
hallucination, there are technic for that (fasting, sleep deprivation,
magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near
On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of):
1. I know
2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering that you
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Subject: Re: It Knows That It Knows
On 7/19/2014 9:25 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of):
1
On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:57 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/19/2014 10:38 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:11 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything
On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:51 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
It could be that language constructs the self (or perhaps more precisely that
using language allowed us to create the concept of a self as one amongst many
linguistic concepts).
I don't grok this thing of the self 'evolving' like
On 20 Jul 2014, at 5:22 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
Are you suggesting that language, or our superb mastery of tool-making had
little or no effect on how our own human “self” evolved?
Chris
Not on how it evolved after it
ideas
are a terrific stimulus to thinking about both the function and the origin of
consciousness (in the 3p sense). By the way, I once used TOOCITBOTBM in a
game of charades. They got it!
David
On 20 Jul 2014 13:46, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/19/2014 11:37 PM, Kim Jones
On 22 Jul 2014, at 2:55 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
What part of your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that allows you
to say I know?
I'm just guessing but maybe the Neocortex because it's the biggest anatomical
difference between a cat's brain and mine. But I
On 20 Jul 2014, at 10:54 pm, Kim Jones, then Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
I don't think, along with Russell Standish, that ants are conscious, for
example - but individuals may share in a group 'self'. Selfhood is
independent of minds or of contents of minds or the precision
On 23 Jul 2014, at 4:38 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Is the following true:
Self-awareness = self-consciousness (?)
OK. Both involves the 1p. But the []p gives a notion of 3p self-awareness,
plausibly not conscious, like a machine which can assert simple (correct)
On 23 Jul 2014, at 9:19 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Ant Hillary is (at least in DRH's fable) roughly comparable to a human brain.
Clearly the level of integration is (almost certainly) looser - our neurons
don't wander around, but maintain (more or less) fixed relationships to
On 23 Jul 2014, at 4:33 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
To be unconscious is not merely to lose the faculties which make our quality
of life human, but to lose all faculties.
Perhaps, but I doubt that you lose your 'self'. A self is immortal. Just like
you wake up from the
So do we recognise this thing called a self or a subject or a person or a
soul or an I or a whatever as something that is TOTALLY independent of the
hosting apparatus?
Why should I put up with the ridiculous notion that my brain secretes my mind
which somehow projects my person? I don't
On 28 Jul 2014, at 8:14 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 July 2014 22:07, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
So do we recognise this thing called a self or a subject or a person
or a soul or an I or a whatever as something that is TOTALLY independent
of the hosting
On 30 Jul 2014, at 7:51 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't comment on that, comp means whatever Bruno wants it to mean, and
that changes from day to day.
Here I respectfully disagree, he seems more or less consistent to me, give or
take the odd ambiguity due to English not being
On 31 Jul 2014, at 8:47 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
CTM = Comp (to use with moderation when tired of the sound of comp).
Well, it's actuallyC omputationalist Theory (of) M ind.
Cheers,
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On 4 Aug 2014, at 4:50 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Bruno seems to have a theory, based on his salvia experience, that a person
can exist independently of any memories. That's why he says things like,
We're all the same person. I find this theory contrary to experience.
On 4 Aug 2014, at 5:46 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
What about multiple personality disorder ? Are they the same person? (I'd
guess not)
Why? There is a weaker, culturally acceptable version of this in the concept of
the parallel lives we all lead. Now don't tell me you are all just
On 4 Aug 2014, at 10:12 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Sure, maybe they were perfectly aware of the world around them and knew who
they were with and and where they were and it was just chance cosmic rays
interrupting their motor neurons that caused them to refer people long
On 4 Aug 2014, at 10:09 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/3/2014 4:27 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 4 Aug 2014, at 5:46 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
What about multiple personality disorder ? Are they the same person? (I'd
guess not)
Why? There is a weaker, culturally
On 4 Aug 2014, at 4:06 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
So whatever we can see and discuss and draw inferences from is merely 3p
and of no consequence.
Well in this context, that's right. The context where the thing observed is a
1p experience happening to someone else. Of no
On 6 Aug 2014, at 5:19 am, Gabriel Bodeen gabebod...@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't it interesting that in these stories, like past-life regressions, it's
always better
in some other life?
Brent
Gabe: Nah, the reason for it is too obvious to be interesting. Stories of
the faraway lands
On 6 Aug 2014, at 9:18 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/5/2014 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On the other hand, you talk about usefulness in a very narrow sense. What
makes life bearable in this weird reality we find ourselves in is very
personal. We all have our
On 7 Aug 2014, at 7:58 am, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course because she is progressive, she don´t talk about the promotion of
abortion and gay marriage agenda, which is part of the same antihuman box.
Gay marriage is anti-human?
K
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this idea off as New Age ditzy
nonsense? What if life really was like that ancient Microsoft slogan where do
you want to go today? Helps maybe to have lots of selves all going in
different directions. Each one comes up with a piece of the big picture.
Kim
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On 8 Aug 2014, at 4:26 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/7/2014 11:16 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
The trouble with such a theory is that it applies as well to those
apoplectic with rage or sobbing in sorrow - maybe they're really happy,
we just can't know.
But in this case
On 9 Aug 2014, at 4:34 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Are you OK with Liz?
The event eavesdropping and be split, in the non-destructive case, are
independent, so the probabilities are multiplied 1/4 * 1/2 = 1/8.
Any question PGC, people, John C, John M., anyone?
Bruno
On 18 Aug 2014, at 8:16 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 August 2014 06:41, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/16/2014 11:02 PM, LizR wrote:
Indeed. This is generally my objection to theories that require conscious
observers (and also my objection to people who say 1+1=2
On 18 Aug 2014, at 5:33 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Is there a kind of soul that is independent of memory but is a person?
Well, you'd want to hope so by now, surely. After all, if there isn't, then
What's It All (been) About, Alfie?
No cul-de-sacs. Consciousness sails on
On 26 Aug 2014, at 6:48 pm, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
After some time going trough these topics one reach the conclusion that these
explanations are nothing more than computer fashion applied to the wrong
kind of problem.
One reaches this conclusion. That one is
On 29 Aug 2014, at 2:01 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
I just learned that Hal Finney has died. Hal was active on this list in
its early days. For the last few years he has suffered from
www.wired.com/2014/08/this-elderly-gentleman-was-born-with-his-brain-hemispheres-disconnected-how-did-it-affect-him-barely-at-all?mbid=social_twitter
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On 31 Aug 2014, at 9:04 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
To be absolutely clear - the Artificial in AI refers to the machine which
hosts the intelligence, not to the intelligence itself.
How can anything be artificial???
What in fact does this word mean? The loose way in which we use
On 31 Aug 2014, at 10:51 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 August 2014 12:29, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
On 31 Aug 2014, at 9:04 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
To be absolutely clear - the Artificial in AI refers to the machine
which hosts the intelligence
'Means' indicates something happened and you noticed it. You then either
recognise this thing or mistake it for something else. Everything means
something, but what it means and the fact that it does mean something comes
from you, not the thing apprehended.
http://youtu.be/zTLkiJUX05A
Kim
On 6 Sep 2014, at 10:03 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
PS why is a laser like a goldfish?
Because neither can whistle
K
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On 8 Sep 2014, at 2:07 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ...
I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility -
that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something
like that) which
On 13 Sep 2014, at 4:57 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Zero, even though they were all superstars and doing quite well for
themselves. Sure, there are examples
On 14 Sep 2014, at 8:33 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
I am going to have a go at establishing a forum for the first act of science
self-governance in the modern era.
Nothing governs itself. Everything is in the clutches of some agenda or other
for better or worse -
this as being identical to being conscious. How could it be
otherwise? Breathing oxygen, or metabolising carbohydrates is not
relevant to being.
Consciousness is all or nothing. It is supported by computation (or it isn't.)
Kim
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/Galilean headspace
when he did that. He found a much larger reality must exist than is more real
than he could perceive. He may not have formalised it but he could not ignore
it. Plato didn't so much discover QM as fall headlong into it.
K
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On 20 Sep 2014, at 11:08 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 9/19/2014 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think that the cerebral stem + the cortex plays a key role, from the
reading of Hobson theory of mind. I say more on this in conscience et
mécanisme, where I explained also why
On 22 Sep 2014, at 3:21 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
That's why he can say consciousness is all-or-nothing (potentialities are
all-or-nothing). That's why he thinks an infant is more conscious than an
adult - it has more potential (but less realization). That's why he thinks
Dust, damned dust. Told yer.
K
On 22 Sep 2014, at 10:58 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
So cosmic inflation is apparently even less confirmed.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1409.5738
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On 20 Sep 2014, at 6:22 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Does this mean evolution is intelligent but (probably) not conscious?
The Blind Watchmaker
K
On 20 September 2014 03:01, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com
wrote:
Dear Bruno,
I agree, this introduces the
On 23 Sep 2014, at 10:00 am, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 05:07:07PM +1000, Kim Jones wrote:
Are we not conflating slightly (to be) conscious - the fact of being aware
and sensate; experiencing being as it were.with consciousness
On 27 Sep 2014, at 4:29 pm, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
So I don't see: robust universe = all integers exist
Nor do I. But then that is the exact inverse of what I stated: the
arithmetic reality assumption in COMP entails a robust reality (one in
which the UD runs to
said this type of non-genetic inheritance had not been observed in
other species, but there were clues from rodent studies that the phenomenon may
be more widespread.
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, as it pretty much contradicts our theoretical
understanding of embryogenesis.
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 11:53:29AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote:
Fly offspring can resemble their mothers' previous partner.
Just rarely, a newspaper throws up something gobsmacking. From today's
Sydney Morning
On 26 Oct 2014, at 1:28 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
If you say so, but I don't care if COMP is dealt a serious blow or not.
John K Clark
You must care you bloody blowhard because you daily go to considerable lengths
to show just how important it is to you.
It’s
On 27 Oct 2014, at 9:30 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
This one's UK specific (though I signed from NZ). The USA could do with one
too IMHO.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/70539
It asks for your street address. NEVER sign anything over the Net that asks for
your
others to lick your ego because of your deep faith
in what you alone consider your superior reasoning ability. Licking egos is an
equivalent operation to licking arses. I don’t see anything particularly tasty
about either in your case.
Kim
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On 31 Oct 2014, at 11:31 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Beware of replies that start But... - these appear to often be agreement
cunningly disguised to look like argumentation.
Excellent point. In fact there is no real need for anyone to play the
clever-clever yes, but card wherever
On 31 Oct 2014, at 4:47 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Agreement and disagreement are not aspects of real thinking.
So if I assume you do real thinking then I must conclude that you don't agree
On 1 Nov 2014, at 1:22 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreement and disagreement are not aspects of real thinking.
So if I assume you do real thinking then I must conclude that you don't
agree with what you wrote above.
you seek to find a logical contradiction as a
.
Question: in evolutionary terms, what is a system-cheat? Shouldn't we be
studying this more? There is a clear advantage in being one...
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On 17 Nov 2014, at 4:53 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 16 Nov 2014, at 03:31, Kim Jones wrote:
I wonder if by now it's worth considering in information-theoretic terms how
the evolution of academe tends to result in universes in which most and
possibly all information
On 17 Nov 2014, at 11:02 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 16 Nov 2014, at 23:06, Kim Jones wrote:
On 17 Nov 2014, at 4:53 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 16 Nov 2014, at 03:31, Kim Jones wrote:
I wonder if by now it's worth considering
On 22 Nov 2014, at 4:59 am, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:06:47 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote:
On 17 Nov 2014, at 4:53 am, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 16 Nov 2014, at 03:31, Kim Jones wrote:
I wonder if by now it's worth considering
On 27 Nov 2014, at 7:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Sometimes intelligence itself can be an handicap for getting the competence.
A stupid student can study the course better than a clever student, because
the clever student want to understand the details, and get stuck on
On 27 Nov 2014, at 7:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Sometimes intelligence itself can be an handicap for getting the competence.
A stupid student can study the course better than a clever student, because
the clever student want to understand the details, and get stuck on
On 28 Nov 2014, at 6:59 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 7:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Sometimes intelligence itself can be an handicap for getting the competence.
A stupid student can study the course better than a clever student
) that the Intelligence Trap
is alive and kicking.
Kim
On 28 Nov 2014, at 7:35 am, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:15:59 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote:
On 28 Nov 2014, at 6:59 am, Kim Jones kimj...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 7:28 pm
On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:35 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need intelligence to
develop competence.
IN my humble opinion you don't need consciousness to develop
On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:41 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:35 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need intelligence
On 28 Nov 2014, at 9:01 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 November 2014 at 10:56, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:41 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:35 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 November 2014 at 22:52
On 28 Nov 2014, at 1:43 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution producing
intelligence without consciousness.
John K Clark
iPhones. Smart fridges. Self-driving cars. Computers. Space probes etc. etc.
Evolution has
On 29 Nov 2014, at 2:42 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Kim Jones:
Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution producing
intelligence without consciousness.
iPhones. Smart fridges. Self-driving cars. Computers. Space probes etc.
etc.
If you
On 29 Nov 2014, at 1:37 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Brent
I seem to remember saying that I thought perhaps consciousness is something
like awareness of yourself and your environment and asking if you had a
better definition a couple of days ago. Did you reply? I don't
On 29 Nov 2014, at 10:08 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
It may just be herding instinct or projection on my part,
but it seems that my chickens are more intelligent
as a group than individually.
I attribute that to a group mind due to entanglement
in a mind/matter
On 29 Nov 2014, at 6:27 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
If nature came up with feeling first and high level intelligence only much
much later, I don't see why the opposite would be true for our computers.
So this is the the meat in your sandwich. It is so revealing. It requires
What about a prophecy? Does that exist? Should I take the red pill or the blue
pill?
Kim
On 15 Dec 2014, at 4:56 pm, 'Roger' via Everything List
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Peter,
Hi. I've read parts of a few of your blog posts and found them very
interesting and
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I'm not saying there aren't a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a
lot of them are in government - Russell
to the idea that their biggest flaw is the design-deficient nature
of human thinking. Technology, science and art are the only games humans play
well. All of ther games played by humans end in tragedy and bloodshed.
Kim Jones
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lot of them are in government - Russell Brand
On 20 Dec 2014, at 2:31 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
No. I would call the police, not the army. (And the chances are fairly good
that whoever broke in wouldn't have a gun either.)
A..New Zealand. How are house prices around the Tao area, Liz? I
might shoot over from
On 20 Dec 2014, at 2:54 pm, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
A..New Zealand. How are house prices around the Tao area, Liz? I
might shoot over from Sydney for a lookette. Aotearoa. Safest place on Oith.
Kim
Oops. Taupo
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On 20 December 2014 at 16:56, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Oops. Taupo
Damn, for a moment I thought that Raymond Smullyan had moved here and started
his own town (not difficult in NZ)
Yes the Tao is very silent
On 22 Dec 2014, at 9:33 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:51 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
Right. I've been looking into that and decided around 150ly would be about
right for the effects he wants.
WR-104 is 2 Wolf Rayet stars in a very tight
Haven't read it yet but just wanted to say that I have never had trouble wih
his idea
On 25 Dec 2014, at 8:17 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
In paper
Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human long term memory: is the
cupboard bare? Journal of Theoretical Biology
Good one. Haven't read it yet but just wanted to say that I have never had
trouble with this idea - clearly Platonic in nature but beyond that, possibly
the most clearly intuitive and ancient notion known to Man. Bruno's idea still
strikes me as the best formulation of it, but most are yet to
On 26 Dec 2014, at 1:43 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/25/2014 1:17 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
In paper
Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human long term memory: is the
cupboard bare? Journal of Theoretical Biology 258(1), 156-164. (see
On 23 Dec 2014, at 5:46 pm, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Stathis:
Perhaps, but some may prefer Hell to oblivion, while others try to
kill themselves after a minor setback. It depends on the person.
Bruce: An odd notion, that: some people might prefer Hell to Oblivion.
On 27 Dec 2014, at 12:05 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
I recently became aware of a book written by William Stanley Jevons that may
strike a responsive cord with some members of this list, here are some quotes:
Are we wise in allowing the commerce of this country to rise
Democracy is a concept. It can be implemented in various ways. I like Liz's
conceptualisation of it as communist-style sharing of astcronomical wealth and
resources among the elites with cockroaches and urine for breakfast for the
rest of us (that's what prisoners in North Korea get given for
On 27 Dec 2014, at 1:34 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Clearly the guy was right.
Yes long-continued progress in such a manner is altogether impossible, and
that is why the standard of living and total
On 27 Dec 2014, at 11:44 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 27 Dec 2014, at 03:11, Kim Jones wrote:
Democracy is a concept. It can be implemented in various ways. I like Liz's
conceptualisation of it as communist-style sharing of astcronomical wealth
and resources among
. Whenever the majority legislate against the anthropological, economical
or physical reality. (There have been democratic decrees to render flu
illegal)
2014-12-27 3:11 GMT+01:00 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au:
Democracy is a concept. It can be implemented in various ways. I like Liz's
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Tee hee. So you are saying - are you not - that it never makes sense to
worry in any naked sense about our tendency to gobble everything up like
bacteria in a petri dish
The bacteria shouldn't worry
On 28 Dec 2014, at 1:07 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/27/2014 5:42 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
Had we not dropped the bomb on Japan we would certainly be in a different
universe now. Probably one in which I as a citizen of an extended Japanese
empire in the Pacific would
Yes, I think we are all sufficiently aware of how bereft of the ravages of
imagination you are. Take a bow. You need the adulation, clearly.
Kim Jones
On 1 Jan 2015, at 3:42 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one
It's not about thinking. It's about perception. Savants and animals have a
perception of reality that others may have lost, yes. As always, you need to be
clear about what is perception (pattern recognition) and what is thinking
(designing some form of action in the future). All living things
On 31 Dec 2014, at 6:17 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Then, when the science theology has been recuperated by politics, and when
religion get institutionalized, the term God has become the name of some
hero in some fairy tale,
Like Zeus and Poseid0n and Hermes and Jupiter.
On 31 Dec 2014, at 6:17 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Eventually I conclude that atheism is *really* the religious mirror of
christianity. They have the same notion of God (even if it is used only to
be denied) and they have the same notion of primary matter (modulo some
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