--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well for both Muktananda and Swami Rama, I see it as their willful
ignorance of western mores or outright superiority complexes in
regards to how others live. They most likely DID get away with their
exploits in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 3:27 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Opening chakras in another person does not
require touching them. It doesn't even
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Opening chakras in another person does not
require touching them.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ispiritkin wrote:
But, for God's sake, he put his penis inside your vagina.
What the hell did you think was going on?
Well, duhh, loving me, guiding me, helping me along my path
because
On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Most westerners have little understanding or appreciation of
Paganism, period. Simon Magus and all that. Let's face it,
if you're in the US you're in Jesusland.
Worse, you're in Paul-land. Or in Luther-land
or Calvin-land. Way different set of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:22 AM, radha30327 wrote:
Georg(yes it is Georg no e) Feuerstein,Ph.D is a yoga researcher,
he compiles for all of us. .
Holds degrees i n Indology and the history of Religion. Author of
30
Michael wrote:
He was, he isn't anymore. I didn't follow up
on the whole discussion here, but if its
about his book on crazy wisdom, at that time
it was written as sort of a defense of Adi Da.
He once wrote a beautiful experience report
on his visit to Mother Meera in WIE, but you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ispiritkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ispiritkin wrote:
But, for God's sake, he put his penis inside your vagina.
What the hell did you think was going
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is *by definition* a touchy subject. It
brings up all of the programming that each of
us got growing up snip
Me, I just find it fascinating that many of the
Maharishi defenders who have no problem with him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
This is *by definition* a touchy subject. It
brings up all of the programming that each of
us got growing up snip
. . .
Me, I just find it
On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:12 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
I've been at a safe distance for many years
now, so little of it affects me personally. But
IMO one of the biggest instances of bad behavior
was the Recert thang.
That's a way of saying to the people who paid your
bills for many years, We don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:12 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
I've been at a safe distance for many years
now, so little of it affects me personally. But
IMO one of the biggest instances of bad behavior
was the Recert thang.
On Apr 24, 2008, at 3:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
That's true. Look, I don't want to get into
a long, Judy-like defense of things here. All
I'm sayin' is that my experience has led me to
believe that there are two basic approaches
to the performances of and the teaching of
siddhis and other
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk wrote:
I understand that you don't want to get into more detail about the
incident but, really, it's all to vague to comment further.
You're right, I don't want to get into details, so for my issue, yes, I
agree it's too vague to comment. No
TurquoiseB wrote:
You're preachin' to the choir here, girlfriend.
I bailed in 1977. :-)
Maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt.
Maybe, is that why you paid over $5,000 to
learn the TM-Sidhi program just before you
bailed in 1977? I'd say that bucks flew out
of your butt, not monkeys.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Allen deSomer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:
Why are we assuming she is still a victim and unable,
therefore, to hear the truth?
How can we assume she is not? To do so is to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Allen deSomer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:
Why not? Healing would, sooner or later, involve that
recognition.
That is for the victim to decide.
Do you find my POV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Allen deSomer wrote:
I believe that enlightened people know when it is time
to chuckle and when it is time to shed a tear.
-Allen
This topic can be very sensitive, Allen, and I appreciate your concern
to have an appropriate touch. Maybe you and Angela
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ispiritkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Allen deSomer wrote:
I believe that enlightened people know when it is time
to chuckle and when it is time to shed a tear.
This topic can be very sensitive, Allen, and I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allen deSomer wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
Speaking of common sense, since this thread was started
by someone who writes about being a victim of sexual abuse,
I strongly
People do odd stuff when under the sway of a
guru. That's a factor to be reckoned with here.
They are parts of social organizations to which
they have dedicated their lives, and without
which they would feel empty and purposeless.
And so when they are told to do things that
cut against the grain,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, radha30327 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People do odd stuff when under the sway of a
guru. That's a factor to be reckoned with here.
They are parts of social organizations to which
they have dedicated their lives, and without
which they would feel empty
On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
The sexual urge is a very
primal animalistic drive to reproduce that all creatures have.
The sex drive has nothing at all to do with reproducing, Bhair, it
has to do with having sex. There is no reproducing drive
or baby drive that *anyone* feels
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, radha30327 radha30327@
wrote:
People do odd stuff when under the sway of a
guru. That's a factor to be reckoned with here.
They are parts of social organizations to which
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, radha30327 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
People do odd stuff when under the sway of a
guru. That's a factor to be reckoned with here.
They are parts of social organizations to which
they have dedicated their lives, and without
which they would feel empty
Really? Maybe men don't have a baby drive, but I know
lots of women who want to get pregnant so bad they can
taste it. Me included when I was getting into my late
twenties.
And for men, don't you think the sex drive was
engineered by mother nature to get ladies pregnant?
--- Sal Sunshine
If you read my story, and if you might take the time to read Sex in the
forbidden Zone
you might begin to understand and yes have some compassion for what went on and
goes
on for hundreds and thousands of women still to this day. I had never been
someone to
give into sexual come ons. I was
radha30327 wrote:
People do odd stuff when under the sway of a
guru. That's a factor to be reckoned with here.
They are parts of social organizations to which
they have dedicated their lives, and without
which they would feel empty and purposeless.
And so when they are told to do things that
TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allen deSomer wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
Speaking of common sense, since this thread was started
by someone who writes about being a victim of
Sal Sunshine wrote:
On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
The sexual urge is a very
primal animalistic drive to reproduce that all creatures have.
The sex drive has nothing at all to do with reproducing, Bhair, it
has to do with having sex. There is no reproducing drive
or baby
On Apr 23, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
Really? Maybe men don't have a baby drive, but I know
lots of women who want to get pregnant so bad they can
taste it. Me included when I was getting into my late
twenties.
Social conditioning, Ang. Why do you think in every single
On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
The sex drive has nothing at all to do with reproducing, Bhair, it
has to do with having sex. There is no reproducing drive
or baby drive that *anyone* feels because of hormones. If
they do, it's primarily because of social conditioning.
Not
Georg(yes it is Georg no e) Feuerstein,Ph.D is a yoga researcher, he compiles
for all of us. .
Holds degrees i n Indology and the history of Religion. Author of 30 books on
yoga.
Director of the Yoga research Center.
Rad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:22 AM, radha30327 wrote:
Georg(yes it is Georg no e) Feuerstein,Ph.D is a yoga researcher,
he compiles for all of us. .
Holds degrees i n Indology and the history of Religion. Author of
30 books on yoga.
Director of the Yoga research Center.
Isn't he a follower of
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
The sex drive is, yeah. The baby drive is a product
of wishful thinking, a lot of it men's wishful thinking
that all women do is sit around and think about having
babies. Better think again.
Dunno 'bout that. I know quite a few women who
shempmcgurk wrote:
Here's what I have a problem with:
You were in his ashram for 8 years during which time, if I've
understood correctly from what you've written here and in other
posts, the abuse happened to you and others time and time and time
again.
It then took almost another 15
I don't know who he follows, the work is a compilation of ancient texts.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:22 AM, radha30327 wrote:
Georg(yes it is Georg no e) Feuerstein,Ph.D is a yoga researcher,
he compiles for all of us. .
On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Vaj wrote:
Dunno 'bout that. I know quite a few women who when they fall in
love they want to have their man's baby as if it's some obsession--
in some cases multiple babies to multiple men over time. Some I
also know hoard food instinctively when going thru
Good points, Shemp and exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately they
only half read what I wrote and misconstrued things. I even asked my
guru yesterday if Muktananda was a monk and he said probably not. If
so he was not bound by any vows of celibacy.
Muk was a monk from the Sawaswati order,
On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Vaj wrote:
Haven't you ever heard the female saying I want to have your baby?
Sure, but what they're really saying is, I want *you* to stick
around, and if having your baby will get you to, then that's
what I'll do, by golly. Manipulation, IOW.
Sal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hanging out at spiritual events one will notice very often that
western women will proudly have relationships Swamis who are not
from renunciate traditions. Of course when things go awry or the
Swami tires of them
In my case, the social conditioning was against having
a baby. I notice, too, among some animals that the
females will fight against having sex, but they sure
like having babies and will grieve if they can't have
them.
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Sal
What's not to love about a baby? Who can resist them? Who can keep
themselves from kissing the tops of their heads a zillion billion
times? The allure of their innocence is probably one of the most
powerful spells that can be cast upon an adult mind.
A whole nation will stop until a single
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Vaj wrote:
Dunno 'bout that. I know quite a few women who when they fall in
love they want to have their man's baby as if it's some obsession--
in some cases multiple babies to multiple men over time. Some I
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Good points, Shemp and exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately
they
only half read what I wrote and misconstrued things. I even asked my
guru yesterday if Muktananda was a monk and he said probably not. If
so he was not bound by any vows
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:55 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shadow of the Guru
In the case of Muktananda, when the NY state officials investigated his
death
On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
In the case of Muktananda, when the NY state officials investigated
his death they found the gynecological stirrups Mukti used for
women. From the accounts I've read it does appear, if I'm
objective, that he was practicing a form of tantra
The actual yogas to do so are quite strenuous and not necessarily the same as
reproductive or recreational sex. And just because the practices involve sex
does not make
them 'black magic'. Puritanical westerners have a real hard time getting this,
but at the
same time, such practices are also
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:47 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shadow of the Guru
So do you think any of this may legitimize what MMY allegedly was doing?
Not from what
On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:20 PM, radha30327 wrote:
The actual yogas to do so are quite strenuous and not necessarily
the same as
reproductive or recreational sex. And just because the practices
involve sex does not make
them 'black magic'. Puritanical westerners have a real hard time
getting
Sal Sunshine wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
The sex drive has nothing at all to do with reproducing, Bhair, it
has to do with having sex. There is no reproducing drive
or baby drive that *anyone* feels because of hormones. If
they do, it's primarily because of social
And (as I knew already) a spectator. Tantra is not a spectator sport.
I have read some of his books and he is a bit of a blind man describing
an elephant.
radha30327 wrote:
Georg(yes it is Georg no e) Feuerstein,Ph.D is a yoga researcher, he compiles
for all of us. .
Holds degrees i n
TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hanging out at spiritual events one will notice very often that
western women will proudly have relationships Swamis who are not
from renunciate traditions. Of course when things go awry or the
radha30327 wrote:
Good points, Shemp and exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately they
only half read what I wrote and misconstrued things. I even asked my
guru yesterday if Muktananda was a monk and he said probably not. If
so he was not bound by any vows of celibacy.
Muk was a monk from
TurquoiseB wrote:
Bullshit. History proves you wrong.
The enlightened have no more clue than you
or I do.
Uh that's my experience, Turq. You're mileage may vary which is too
bad. There is a stark contrast between the way I experience the world
now and 10 years ago. I'm sure there
radha30327 wrote:
The actual yogas to do so are quite strenuous and not necessarily the same
as
reproductive or recreational sex. And just because the practices involve sex
does not make
them 'black magic'. Puritanical westerners have a real hard time getting
this, but at the
same
--
Unequal partner,means power over another, of courseI nor any of the young
girls knew
anything about what he was doing. BTW MUk had Diabetes,flacid due to sickness
not
mastery.
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:20 PM, radha30327
He is listing the great texts on the subject word for word.. why don't you
read it before
you make such blanket statements
Rad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And (as I knew already) a spectator. Tantra is not a spectator sport.
I have read some
Vaj wrote:
Not from what we know. It's my understanding, rather than having any
sort of yogic control over his body, he was a 'Johnny cum quickly'
kinda guy (at least that's what I remember hearing). However in
Mahesh's favor is the fact that most practicing tantrics, at that
level, will
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Opening chakras in another person does not
require touching them. It doesn't even require
being within twenty feet of them. Those who
claim that they need to touch the person to
open their
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Bullshit. History proves you wrong.
The enlightened have no more clue than you
or I do.
Uh that's my experience, Turq. You're mileage may vary
which is too bad. There is a stark contrast
Oh but he does but when I asked he deducted it from the fact that
Muktananda had sex and why he said probably not. That's why I think
he may have gone nuts (which is what your group seems to think).
Not clear what you mean, but I have had many very old timers, around Muk much
longer
than
You can't learn tantra from a book, Rad. I already said I've read some
of his works. We can quote tantric texts around here until the cows
come home and you won't learn tantra. BTW, do you read Devanagari?
A good example is my guru recommended L. W. Chawdhri's Practicals of
Mantra and
TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Opening chakras in another person does not
require touching them. It doesn't even require
being within twenty feet of them. Those who
claim that they need to touch the
On Apr 23, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Not from what we know. It's my understanding, rather than having any
sort of yogic control over his body, he was a 'Johnny cum quickly'
kinda guy (at least that's what I remember hearing). However in
Mahesh's favor is the fact that most
On Apr 23, 2008, at 3:27 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Opening chakras in another person does not
require touching them. It doesn't even require
being within twenty feet of them. Those who
claim that they
On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Opening chakras in another person does not
require touching them. It doesn't even require
being within twenty feet of them. Those who
TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Opening chakras in another person does not
require touching
Vaj wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote:
Opening chakras in another person does not
require touching them. It doesn't even require
being within twenty feet of
-I know you can't learn tantra from a book. Books are just someones minds, but
the
ancients texts make sense out of direct experince. As you just said about the
book you
recommneded below I also practice Tantra. I have had a great teacher,but I am
clear I
don't need a guru'. I have had
Hi Shemp ~ I know you weren't writing to me in this post, but all of
your same questions could just as well apply to stuff I've gone
through. So for you and Bhairitu, I'll give a shot at explaining
this from an angle besides Radha's.
By the way, Radha, you have my sympathy, plus kudos for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote:
On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Vaj wrote:
Haven't you ever heard the female saying I want to have
your baby?
Sure, but what they're really saying is, I want *you*
to stick around, and if having your baby will get you to,
then
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ispiritkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi Shemp ~ I know you weren't writing to me in this post, but all
of
your same questions could just as well apply to stuff I've gone
through. So for you and Bhairitu, I'll give a shot at explaining
this from an
For everyone's information, Radha is the person who posted here
several years ago telling us about her experience with Muktananda.
You can read more about it here:
http://www.leavingsiddhayoga.net/Radha_story.htm
And if Radha is reading this: most of the links you posted below
don't work.
I am trying again,here is the link again for Vimeo. I don't know why they
aren't coming
throuhg correctly sorry:)
Radha
http://www.vimeo.com/926483
Here is the youtube link as well: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=U9GeHa- qkYc
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL
It's working now.
Question to Radha: are you one of the women speaking in the trailer
and, if so, which one?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, radha30327 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am trying again,here is the link again for Vimeo. I don't know
why they aren't coming
throuhg
I am the first woman on camera.
Glad it is working:)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's working now.
Question to Radha: are you one of the women speaking in the trailer
and, if so, which one?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, radha30327 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am the first woman on camera.
Glad it is working:)
It's nice to have a face connected to an internet moniker!
Radha, I don't know if you remember me; when you brought this subject
up before on this forum several
-Thanks so much, yes in this film we will explain why men of power like
Muktananda, are
ruled not by divinity but by their individual selves. I have always said the
truth is the truth
no matter who said it. Men like MUk are not beyond the ego, yet were able to
channel the
truth, while they
Radha:
Are you familiar with or have you ever read Sarah Caldwell's scolarly
piece called: The Heart of the Secret: A Personal and Scholarly
Encounter with Shakta Tantrism in Siddha Yoga? It is referenced in
the footnotes of Muktananda's Wikipedia reference. It is found here:
radha30327 wrote:
-Thanks so much, yes in this film we will explain why men of power like
Muktananda, are
ruled not by divinity but by their individual selves. I have always said the
truth is the truth
no matter who said it. Men like MUk are not beyond the ego, yet were able to
channel
Yes, I read Sarah's article when it came out. We also spoke by phone several
times. She
doesn't feel he is excused from his behavior. She was trying to make some sense
out of
why he thought it was ok. She seem to have many conflicted feelings. If you
think about it
the guru referred to that
Hello,
I was involved in SY for 26 years. I met many fine people myself. Your inner
experience is
your experience. But Muk was a hypocrite that preached celibacy while engaging
in sexual
practices. If you read my story and the whole leavingsiddhayoga.net website you
will see a
lot of fine
Was Muktananda actually a monk? Though there are renunciate tantrics in
general it is a householder tradition and celibacy is not part of it
(especially if you're going to practice the later stage rituals in a
cremation ground). My teacher is a householder and doesn't preach
celibacy. He is
Was Muktananda actually a monk?
There is some doubt about this; his guru
Nityananda was apparently a monk, but did
Nityananda give the Mukta the permission to
teach in his name? That's the question.
Though there are renunciate tantrics in
general it is a householder tradition and
celibacy
Richard J. Williams wrote:
Actually there at least three major tantric
centers in your neighborhood. One of the most
popular tantric sects in India is the Sri Vidya,
a tradition that is very widespread in parts
of Kerala and Karnataka - also in Bengal and
in Kashmere. But since these
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard J. Williams wrote:
Radha doesn't seem to be chukling; she seems
pretty serious that there was a sexual offense
committed.
BTW, I'm not saying because they're head games or
illusion one shouldn't
Why not? Healing would, sooner or later, involve that
recognition.
--- Allen deSomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard J. Williams wrote:
Radha doesn't seem to be chukling; she seems
pretty serious that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not? Healing would, sooner or later, involve that
recognition.
That is for the victim to decide.
Do you find my POV too PC?
-Allen
--- Allen deSomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of
Allen deSomer wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard J. Williams wrote:
Radha doesn't seem to be chukling; she seems
pretty serious that there was a sexual offense
committed.
BTW, I'm not saying because they're head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
The sexual urge is a very
primal animalistic drive to reproduce that all creatures
have. Enlightened people will recognize it as such and
have a great chuckle as they will not be as swayed by it
as the typical
Why are we assuming she is still a victim and unable,
therefore, to hear the truth?
--- Allen deSomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not? Healing would, sooner or later, involve
that
recognition.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why are we assuming she is still a victim and unable,
therefore, to hear the truth?
How can we assume she is not? To do so is to
violate my view of common sense. Victims deserve
the benefit of the doubt.
-Allen
Allen deSomer wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
The sexual urge is a very
primal animalistic drive to reproduce that all creatures
have. Enlightened people will recognize it as such and
have a great chuckle as they will not be as
Well, we differ. I am a veteran of two abusive
marriages and I was raped by my uncle when I was
young. Currently, I'm taking care of a neighbor who's
just moved out of the women's shelter. So I am no
stranger to victimhood. When all is said and done,
getting over it means seeing the truth.
Richard J. Williams wrote:
Actually there at least three major
tantric centers in your neighborhood.
One of the most popular tantric sects
in India is the Sri Vidya, a tradition
that is very widespread in parts of
Kerala and Karnataka - also in Bengal
and in Kashmere. But since
Don't worry about me I have been on these boards(mostly ex siddha) for 6 years
taking
hits,my skin is thick LOL.But compassion is the name of the game.
It is not illusion or head games if it is your daughter, sister, mother or
girlfriend that has
been an abuse recipient of a 74 year old man.
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