[Felvtalk] (no subject)
I belong to a cat forum on-line. One of the members who is a well respected TNR person posted this the other day and I have not been able to stop thinking of this poor lady: There is a town south of tucson. Very poor and colorful characters live there. Its a dumping ground for people who abandon their companion cats and dogs. There is a woman who has worked with us to S/N the abandoned cats in her yard. She is devoted to these cats and feeds them and watches out for them. Last year her husband developed pancreatic cancer and died. We found out yesterday she is going to loose her house and has been using her food stamps to buy cat food for her companion indoor cats. her beloved dog is having serious health problems and she doesnt have money to take him to a vet. These animals have helped her get thru her hard times. Our group has been supplying her with food for the ferals but didnt know she didnt have money for her indoor animals. We are going to try to raise money to help her dog go to the vet and help her with food for her indoor cats. When I PM'd her asking how to help this poor woman this was her response: I work with Paws Patrol of Green Valley. We have a website with pay pal if that would be convenient to donate there. http://greenvalleypawspatrol.org/ Be sure and mention it is for Arlene. It made me sad all day thinking how awful it must be to face those things alone in your elderly years. I’m sure none of us picture our lives happening like that. Plus a lot of the older female generation are not self-sufficient women like we are today. I know my mom is always wanting a man to do chores and figure things out for her. (she is 84) when her daughters are perfectly capable of doing alot of the stuff! Its just plain wrong when the elderly fall on hard times like this with no recourse. Medical bills bankrupt so many families. Please keep this woman in your prayers and thoughts. We are going to have to try to move her colony of cats because once she is gone they dont have a prayer to be looked after in this community. Her name is Arlene. I am posting Arlenes story here with permission from the woman who posted it in our cat forum. Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flanagan Please add to the CLS
Hey Sherry, I'm sorry to hear about Flanagan and the rest of your rescue babies who have passed over the bridge. I hope this message finds you well. As always, you are an angel for what you do. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 7:45:39 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Flanagan Please add to the CLS Well we sadly lost another one of our Sids kids.Flanagan was quite the spunky boy.He was an orange tiger that LOVED to wash windows! He has had his ups and downs in the passed six months.And just recently got a bunch of his feisty silliness back,even just this Monday he helped me do the special feedings and kept me company.He passed away during the night last night and I feel for the volunteers that went in and found him this morning.I would have been devastated.We knew his time was getting shorter but he just made a major comeback.Maybe he was just giving us a last glimpse of the Flanny we have ALL came to love.We love you baby boy. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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thanks for posting this, sue, because the issue of folks unable to take care of their critters right now, elderly or not, is becoming huge. folks, check with your local shelters to see if any of them run a pet-food bank--a lot actually do. there are ani-meals programs in a number of places, that deliver food for animals to homes where the humans can't afford to get the food, or can't get to the store to pick it up. in some places, there are programs that are funded by the United Way--they just don't get much publicity. social-service agencies SHOULD know about clients who have companion animals in need, and SHOULD be working with animal-welfare groups to help, but it doesn't happen when case loads aren't overwhelming the system, so i'm sure it's not now. sometimes all it takes is stopping long enough to look around: if you have an elderly or disabled neighbor that you know has critters, or is feeding ferals, ask them what kind of food they use because you're into coupons, and you'll keep an eye out (that's not charity, you see)--etc etc etc. MC On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.comwrote: I belong to a cat forum on-line. One of the members who is a well respected TNR person posted this the other day and I have not been able to stop thinking of this poor lady: There is a town south of tucson. Very poor and colorful characters live there. Its a dumping ground for people who abandon their companion cats and dogs. There is a woman who has worked with us to S/N the abandoned cats in her yard. She is devoted to these cats and feeds them and watches out for them. Last year her husband developed pancreatic cancer and died. We found out yesterday she is going to loose her house and has been using her food stamps to buy cat food for her companion indoor cats. her beloved dog is having serious health problems and she doesnt have money to take him to a vet. These animals have helped her get thru her hard times. Our group has been supplying her with food for the ferals but didnt know she didnt have money for her indoor animals. We are going to try to raise money to help her dog go to the vet and help her with food for her indoor cats. When I PM'd her asking how to help this poor woman this was her response: I work with Paws Patrol of Green Valley. We have a website with pay pal if that would be convenient to donate there. http://greenvalleypawspatrol.org/ Be sure and mention it is for Arlene. It made me sad all day thinking how awful it must be to face those things alone in your elderly years. I’m sure none of us picture our lives happening like that. Plus a lot of the older female generation are not self-sufficient women like we are today. I know my mom is always wanting a man to do chores and figure things out for her. (she is 84) when her daughters are perfectly capable of doing alot of the stuff! Its just plain wrong when the elderly fall on hard times like this with no recourse. Medical bills bankrupt so many families. Please keep this woman in your prayers and thoughts. We are going to have to try to move her colony of cats because once she is gone they dont have a prayer to be looked after in this community. Her name is Arlene. I am posting Arlenes story here with permission from the woman who posted it in our cat forum. Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
When my mom was in her seventies she got scammed by some guy selling securities -- he told her she wouldn't lose money, and she ended up losing like $5,000. She felt so foolish on top of losing the money, which on a fixed income was not going to replenish itself, and of course I felt bad that she felt bad, and so very angry at this young snake oil salesman who preyed on her and others her age. That made me hypersensitive to the plight of older people, how easy it can be to take advantage of them and how at a loss some of them are in a world where technology and change can overwhelm even those of us who can keep somewhere near the cutting edge. Arlene and others like her are in my thoughts daily. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) thanks for posting this, sue, because the issue of folks unable to take care of their critters right now, elderly or not, is becoming huge. folks, check with your local shelters to see if any of them run a pet-food bank--a lot actually do. there are ani-meals programs in a number of places, that deliver food for animals to homes where the humans can't afford to get the food, or can't get to the store to pick it up. in some places, there are programs that are funded by the United Way--they just don't get much publicity. social-service agencies SHOULD know about clients who have companion animals in need, and SHOULD be working with animal-welfare groups to help, but it doesn't happen when case loads aren't overwhelming the system, so i'm sure it's not now. sometimes all it takes is stopping long enough to look around: if you have an elderly or disabled neighbor that you know has critters, or is feeding ferals, ask them what kind of food they use because you're into coupons, and you'll keep an eye out (that's not charity, you see)--etc etc etc. MC On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.comwrote: I belong to a cat forum on-line. One of the members who is a well respected TNR person posted this the other day and I have not been able to stop thinking of this poor lady: There is a town south of tucson. Very poor and colorful characters live there. Its a dumping ground for people who abandon their companion cats and dogs. There is a woman who has worked with us to S/N the abandoned cats in her yard. She is devoted to these cats and feeds them and watches out for them. Last year her husband developed pancreatic cancer and died. We found out yesterday she is going to loose her house and has been using her food stamps to buy cat food for her companion indoor cats. her beloved dog is having serious health problems and she doesnt have money to take him to a vet. These animals have helped her get thru her hard times. Our group has been supplying her with food for the ferals but didnt know she didnt have money for her indoor animals. We are going to try to raise money to help her dog go to the vet and help her with food for her indoor cats. When I PM'd her asking how to help this poor woman this was her response: I work with Paws Patrol of Green Valley. We have a website with pay pal if that would be convenient to donate there. http://greenvalleypawspatrol.org/ Be sure and mention it is for Arlene. It made me sad all day thinking how awful it must be to face those things alone in your elderly years. I'm sure none of us picture our lives happening like that. Plus a lot of the older female generation are not self-sufficient women like we are today. I know my mom is always wanting a man to do chores and figure things out for her. (she is 84) when her daughters are perfectly capable of doing alot of the stuff! Its just plain wrong when the elderly fall on hard times like this with no recourse. Medical bills bankrupt so many families. Please keep this woman in your prayers and thoughts. We are going to have to try to move her colony of cats because once she is gone they dont have a prayer to be looked after in this community. Her name is Arlene. I am posting Arlenes story here with permission from the woman who posted it in our cat forum. Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be
Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] OT: new research on hemobartenella (including its new name!)
good to know, considering some of the problems that the FDA has had in the past. (was that diplomatic enough?) do you have references for that info, so we can add it to the basic info? thanks. MC On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:00 PM, randa harvin lilanimal...@yahoo.comwrote: Pradofloxacin was denied entry to Europe based on concerns about safety, might want to read up on it before making a decision. I personally would still use it but others may feel otherwise. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
For anyone living in Milwaukee, WI, the Wisconsin Humane Society has programs for spay/neuter, vaccinations, and food. It makes sense to have these programs rather than having people surrender their beloved companions - we especially need our babies when everything is going wrong, and it must be less expensive to have these programs than to have to find homes for all of the surrendered pets. Thanks for the reminder to be extra vigilant about our neighbors with the poor economy! Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Fri, 3/6/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:41 AM thanks for posting this, sue, because the issue of folks unable to take care of their critters right now, elderly or not, is becoming huge. folks, check with your local shelters to see if any of them run a pet-food bank--a lot actually do. there are ani-meals programs in a number of places, that deliver food for animals to homes where the humans can't afford to get the food, or can't get to the store to pick it up. in some places, there are programs that are funded by the United Way--they just don't get much publicity. social-service agencies SHOULD know about clients who have companion animals in need, and SHOULD be working with animal-welfare groups to help, but it doesn't happen when case loads aren't overwhelming the system, so i'm sure it's not now. sometimes all it takes is stopping long enough to look around: if you have an elderly or disabled neighbor that you know has critters, or is feeding ferals, ask them what kind of food they use because you're into coupons, and you'll keep an eye out (that's not charity, you see)--etc etc etc. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
james, if you're reading this, could we maybe have a links page for folks to put up info on the programs people know about? and sally, WI has EVERYTHING. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:47 PM, SALLY NORDSTROM ms...@sbcglobal.net wrote: For anyone living in Milwaukee, WI, the Wisconsin Humane Society has programs for spay/neuter, vaccinations, and food. It makes sense to have these programs rather than having people surrender their beloved companions - we especially need our babies when everything is going wrong, and it must be less expensive to have these programs than to have to find homes for all of the surrendered pets. Thanks for the reminder to be extra vigilant about our neighbors with the poor economy! Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Fri, 3/6/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:41 AM thanks for posting this, sue, because the issue of folks unable to take care of their critters right now, elderly or not, is becoming huge. folks, check with your local shelters to see if any of them run a pet-food bank--a lot actually do. there are ani-meals programs in a number of places, that deliver food for animals to homes where the humans can't afford to get the food, or can't get to the store to pick it up. in some places, there are programs that are funded by the United Way--they just don't get much publicity. social-service agencies SHOULD know about clients who have companion animals in need, and SHOULD be working with animal-welfare groups to help, but it doesn't happen when case loads aren't overwhelming the system, so i'm sure it's not now. sometimes all it takes is stopping long enough to look around: if you have an elderly or disabled neighbor that you know has critters, or is feeding ferals, ask them what kind of food they use because you're into coupons, and you'll keep an eye out (that's not charity, you see)--etc etc etc. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk] testing the list
been a while since i logged in, but best way for more people to be educated is to tell everyone about this site. i talked to someone in Canada a week or so ago and got her hooked on it. dorlis nancy denison nancydeni...@fpunet.com wrote: Taz and I are still here. I look forward to this talk. I'm glad there is so much good input and caring from people for the positives. I wish more would be educated. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list
never know when a felv baby will find you. you will be ready for them. dorlis Kat kathryn.mund...@baesystems.com wrote: Hi James, I'm still here too - even though I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore. So I just lurk for the most part these days. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, James G Wilson wrote: Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:48:30 -0600 From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] testing the list Hey all, Just testing the list since there's been no activity since Saturday. Here's hoping that everyone is doing well. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list
Here. Grateful to all for responses to my question about co-mingling and to the survey respondents. Laurie (on behalf of Bella) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Kat Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list never know when a felv baby will find you. you will be ready for them. dorlis Kat kathryn.mund...@baesystems.com wrote: Hi James, I'm still here too - even though I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore. So I just lurk for the most part these days. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, James G Wilson wrote: Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:48:30 -0600 From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] testing the list Hey all, Just testing the list since there's been no activity since Saturday. Here's hoping that everyone is doing well. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list
here. i could have sworn i've been writing to and getting things from the list, tho. tells you how firm a grip i have on reality, eh? MC On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:48 PM, James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote: Hey all, Just testing the list since there's been no activity since Saturday. Here's hoping that everyone is doing well. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
sorry to be late with this, been a while since i logged in. my Annie was diagnosed felv + at age 4 when i got her. her owner was dying with liver cancer and could not keep her. if the right home could not be found, she wanted put to sleep. she spent 21 days locked in her owners trailer alone with only contact when owner's sister came to feed her and clean box. when i got her, she was pretty stressed out and since she had never been around other cats, not happy with 2 i already had being there. she seems to be an alpha female and bullied my other female Homey who was a stray. she had been spayed by previous owner who used same vet i use. since then, i have taken in 3 more babies, 2 whom no one wanted because they were 10 years old and 1, a stray whom a lady had been feeding. he had been hit by a car and needed 2 pins in his leg. she could not afford it so opted to put to sleep. he was so sweet, vet opted to fix his leg and find a home for him. this is same vet who found me for Annie. he knows a soft touch when he sees one. with each new cat, Annie has been agressive, but met her match with Casey who is also alpha female. still have a problem with Lil Bit and Annie. she is reclusive, 10 years old and when she does come into the room with others, she hisses and screams just like Annie. Lil Bit is also very skittish, the least sound or motion and she runs out of the room. i am going to test Annie again, since she had never been positive before all the upheavel in her life and we are thinking maybe she was exposed as a baby, developed and immunity and was okayuntil all the trauma. she is better than she was with the others and has settled down some so now we think would be a good time to retest. Annie, Casey, Homey and Bob all are in/out cats depending on the weather. i live in the middle of the woods so it is fairly safe and they usually spend most of their time on the deck and about half way down the bluff. have very little contact with wild animals. seem to sense it is smarter to sty away from them than try to fight them. all the others have been vaccinated for felv along with rabies and the other shots. since they do have a chance of contacting rabies carrying animals, fell shots are necessary. i do nt try to seperate Annie from others, seems cruel to do so, plus she can open doors. so far, she has shown no signs of illness, is fat and sassy, eats good, drinks plenty of waterand is in general a healthy cat. keep my fingers crossed. of course at first sign of a problem, will rush her to vet. dorlis amanda white-dai...@lapis.plala.or.jp wrote: Hi all, I want to ask you all some questions about your present and or past FeLV kitties, this is a personal survey to better understand the illness and how everything effects it, I would be really grateful if you all could participate! AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? So sorry, but your time in answering would be really appreciated! thanks so much! hugs and good health to you and your fur babies, Amanda, Tora and Angel Silver chan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
missed one of your questions - i feed Hills science diet, a mix of adult hairball and the new one feeline natural best ocean fish. is use revolution for fleas and ticks because it also takes out heartworm which is a growing problem around here, probably because we have had a flood here at least once a year. dorlis amanda white-dai...@lapis.plala.or.jp wrote: Hi all, I want to ask you all some questions about your present and or past FeLV kitties, this is a personal survey to better understand the illness and how everything effects it, I would be really grateful if you all could participate! AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? So sorry, but your time in answering would be really appreciated! thanks so much! hugs and good health to you and your fur babies, Amanda, Tora and Angel Silver chan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Juno Please add to the CLS :(
i am sorry to hear about Juno, it is so hard to loose one you have grown to love. it only takes a day or two to loose your heart to them. however long she had with you, her life was better for having you. dorlis Sue Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Sherry, I am so sorry to hear about your Juno. Gentle Bridge vibes to her. You do so much for these kittys, I know they appreciate you. I just adopted a little 3 year old girl, also named Juno, two weeks ago. Perhaps a little part of your Junos spirit will live on in my little Juno. Sue Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: What can I say about our Juno? Well she came to Sids sanctuary along with her two boys Jupiter and Pluto the fall of 2005 just before I started volunteering there.I never had the pleasure of meeting Jupiter but I adored our Juno (Juny butts).And just love my Pluto( Pooty Poots)he is one of my many boyfriends there. :) Juno will be greatly missed.I will always look at her favorite spot and think of her . Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
don't be sorry, you are caring for her and she knows that and the vet and techs care for her. she may not like to be seperated from you, but she is still better off than she would be otherwise. dorlis nancy denison nancydeni...@fpunet.com wrote: I have seven cats, the youngest being Taz was diagnosed with FeLv when she started getting sick after about 1 month with my other negative kitties all of which are vacinated. I took Taz in to get her looked at and to get her shots. That's when they tested her for FeLv and she came back positive. I feed her stinky salmon and white tuna, some Fancy Feast kitten food and some baby food, whatever I can get her to eat. She hates the Science Diet the vet recommended. I'va also boiled chicken for her for the broth and meat. I've had her on Imulan and have seen some mixed results but she is gaining weight, happy and bouncy so I'm continuing with the expensive treatments. She also get Pet Tinic everyday and DMG. I've seperated her from my other cats, which I hate because she was buddies with my three legged tuxedo kitty, but this was recommended by the vet. She said that vacinations are not a guarantee against the disease if the cats are exposed to it enough. All of my kitties are indoor kitties except one does get outdoor roaming priviledges because it gives him a better attitude. The rest of the cats get there outdoor stuff on a large screened in porch basically built just for them. It's hard having a FeLv kitty because I travel so much for work which means I board her at the vets while I'm gone which of course stresses her some. The people love her at the vet but I think it directly affects her wellness with regard to the blood work-up and down. Sorry for the long diatribe. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
last time, promise. have you tried mackeral, all of my cats past and present love it. it is stinkier than salmon. we like stinky food. dorlis nancy denison nancydeni...@fpunet.com wrote: I have seven cats, the youngest being Taz was diagnosed with FeLv when she started getting sick after about 1 month with my other negative kitties all of which are vacinated. I took Taz in to get her looked at and to get her shots. That's when they tested her for FeLv and she came back positive. I feed her stinky salmon and white tuna, some Fancy Feast kitten food and some baby food, whatever I can get her to eat. She hates the Science Diet the vet recommended. I'va also boiled chicken for her for the broth and meat. I've had her on Imulan and have seen some mixed results but she is gaining weight, happy and bouncy so I'm continuing with the expensive treatments. She also get Pet Tinic everyday and DMG. I've seperated her from my other cats, which I hate because she was buddies with my three legged tuxedo kitty, but this was recommended by the vet. She said that vacinations are not a guarantee against the disease if the cats are exposed to it enough. All of my kitties are indoor kitties except one does get outdoor roaming priviledges because it gives him a better attitude. The rest of the cats get there outdoor stuff on a large screened in porch basically built just for them. It's hard having a FeLv kitty because I travel so much for work which means I board her at the vets while I'm gone which of course stresses her some. The people love her at the vet but I think it directly affects her wellness with regard to the blood work-up and down. Sorry for the long diatribe. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
Hi, have you tried mackeral? it is so smelly that you might fool him. General like my Bob, never met a person he did not like. likes to sleep draped over my neck. dorlis souther...@aol.com wrote: AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? My big boy, General Sterling Price, came to me. I have never owned a cat in my life. I was working in my flowers in April 2007 when this big black tuxedo cat came and CLIMBED ON MY BACK. I was not happy. I tried to shoo him away. He was having none of it. He was like a bag of bones. And he cried so pitifully that I went and got him a bowl of milk (I didn't know cats weren't supposed to have milk any more than dogs are!) He drank it down so I got him another, which he drank down. The next day he was still out there. So I brought him dog food out (it's all I had) and he ate the entire bowl. So the next day, when he was still there, I bought him a sack of some sort of cat food at the grocery. He ate it of course. After 3 weeks of doing this I decided that if he was gonna hang around, then he was gonna be neutered. So I took him to the vet. He did the required blood tests and said this cat is FeLV+. You might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. By then I had developed an attachment to him, so I changed vets. (I now take him to the Nashville Cat Clinic) This boy went from living outside to living in the garage to now living in the house and sleeping in the bed with the Mini Schnauzer who hates him and my husband and me. He has some really strange eating habits these days. He won't eat any one food for long. My vet wants him on grain free canned but he's not willing to eat that right now. He is now eating Evo dry and Halo dry. He'll eat one for 2-3 days and then he won't eat it and I'll change. The only problem I have is that I can no longer get him to take his supplements. He's on an immune system supplement that is a tablet I used to mix with the wet food. Now he won't eat it if I do. I've tried even mixing it in tuna and he won't eat it. So I'm in a little bit of a state over this. he is also on interferon 7 days on and 7 days off. I've also had some problems with this lately as he seems to throw up on the days that I give him interferon. He's had a kidney infection he's overcome. he has had pancreatitis that he's overcome, and he's had some fairly chronic upper respiratory infections. We think he's probably about 4-7 years old. He came to me when he was between 2-5 we think. I think he was dumped because he has such a love of humans. He's a big (15 lbs now) lapcat. He loves to be petted. He loves to be around people. He follows me every step I take, if the dog will let him. His only stress is the Mini Schnauzer who is 12 and has epilepsy :-) She hates him. He just tries to stay out of her way. (She sleeps on the bed at the foot and he sleeps up at the head, by my head!) Every time he sneezes I worry. But he's hanging in there so far, and as far as I can tell he is prospering. He has had rabies vaccine and calici virus in the past but I don't know if we'll do rabies this year since he isn't outside now. I'll have to talk to my vet about that and the calici too. Sidney and the General -Original Message- From: amanda white-dai...@lapis.plala.or.jp To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 6:01 am Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. Hi all, I want to ask you all some questions about your present and or past FeLV kitties, this is a personal survey to better understand the illness and how everything effects it, I would be really grateful if you all could participate! AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? So sorry, but your time in answering would be really appreciated! thanks so much! hugs and good health to you and your fur babies, Amanda, Tora and Angel Silver chan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
on the L-Lysine, my vet ordered an oral paste for me. no one is sick right now, but i give it as a preventative. name is Enisyl-F, made by Vetoquinol in Canada. each ml contains 250mgof L Lysine HCL in a bse of purified water, sorbitol, cod liver oil, zanthan gum, tuna flavor, soy lecithin, silica aerogel, carmel color, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate. they reccomend 1 - 2 ml a day for adults and 1ml for kittens. anyone heard of this before? got any comments? dorlis Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: Hi Sidney The General sounds like a fabulous cat. It is great that he persisted. Are you using l-lycine as a supplement? I was able to get rid of a really bad upper respiratory with it. I buy it in capsule form and mix the powder into cats food and my cat, who could be a forensic pathologist when it comes to detecting supplements, does not know it is there. I make sure she gets 500mg daily and although it takes time, it usually works. I also use interferon, but give it on and off each day, rather than weeks. I wonder if that would make a difference. There is a study underway (Dr. Jean Dodds ..Rabies Challenge) to prove that we over vaccinate our animals and that one rabies shot should protect an animal for its lifetime. You can Google the 'rabies challenge' and read about the study and the vets who are involved. A rabies shot can be stressful for a healthy animal. I would think twice about vaccinating an Felv kittie. Hope your General continues to thrive. Jane On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:17 AM, souther...@aol.com wrote: AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? My big boy, General Sterling Price, came to me. I have never owned a cat in my life. I was working in my flowers in April 2007 when this big black tuxedo cat came and CLIMBED ON MY BACK. I was not happy. I tried to shoo him away. He was having none of it. He was like a bag of bones. And he cried so pitifully that I went and got him a bowl of milk (I didn't know cats weren't supposed to have milk any more than dogs are!) He drank it down so I got him another, which he drank down. The next day he was still out there. So I brought him dog food out (it's all I had) and he ate the entire bowl. So the next day, when he was still there, I bought him a sack of some sort of cat food at the grocery. He ate it of course. After 3 weeks of doing this I decided that if he was gonna hang around, then he was gonna be neutered. So I took him to the vet. He did the required blood tests and said this cat is FeLV +. You might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. By then I had developed an attachment to him, so I changed vets. (I now take him to the Nashville Cat Clinic) This boy went from living outside to living in the garage to now living in the house and sleeping in the bed with the Mini Schnauzer who hates him and my husband and me. He has some really strange eating habits these days. He won't eat any one food for long. My vet wants him on grain free canned but he's not willing to eat that right now. He is now eating Evo dry and Halo dry. He'll eat one for 2-3 days and then he won't eat it and I'll change. The only problem I have is that I can no longer get him to take his supplements. He's on an immune system supplement that is a tablet I used to mix with the wet food. Now he won't eat it if I do. I've tried even mixing it in tuna and he won't eat it. So I'm in a little bit of a state over this. he is also on interferon 7 days on and 7 days off. I've also had some problems with this lately as he seems to throw up on the days that I give him interferon. He's had a kidney infection he's overcome. he has had pancreatitis that he's overcome, and he's had some fairly chronic upper respiratory infections. We think he's probably about 4-7 years old. He came to me when he was between 2-5 we think. I think he was dumped because he has such a love of humans. He's a big (15 lbs now) lapcat. He loves to be petted. He loves to be around people. He follows me every step I take, if the dog will let him. His only stress is the Mini Schnauzer who is 12 and has epilepsy :-) She hates him. He just tries to stay out of her way. (She sleeps on the bed at the foot and he sleeps up at the head, by my head!) Every time he sneezes I worry. But he's hanging in there so far, and as far as I can tell he is prospering. He has had rabies vaccine
[Felvtalk] forms of lysine
this is an exceptionally expensive way to give a cat its lysine. the usually recommended dosage is between 250 and 1000 mg/day; there is currently ongoing research being done to come up with the absolutely accurate dosage in cats. but you can just go on-line, or to your nearest health food store, and buy the pure, unadulterated, unflavored l-lysine powder by the pound. NOW brand is a well-known, good one, tho i'm sure there are others. buying it this way, or in capsules just validates a packaging-mad wasteful, oh, never mind. save your money and spend in on something the cats really will appreciate--like high-quality treats. MC On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: on the L-Lysine, my vet ordered an oral paste for me. no one is sick right now, -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] forms of lysine
The one I use is a powder, bought from my vet, that I sprinkle on food. Sidney and the General ** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesamp; ncid=emlcntusyelp0005) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
Heard of it, and it is WAAAY too expensive. You can buy a pound of powder lysine for about $15, it is made by NOW and sold in many online places.. That would give you about 1644 250mg doses. It has no taste and mixed with wet food just about any cat will just eat it. It is really sort of granulated and some of mine don't like the feel so I dissolve it in a tiny bit of water. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Jane Lyons Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. on the L-Lysine, my vet ordered an oral paste for me. no one is sick right now, but i give it as a preventative. name is Enisyl-F, made by Vetoquinol in Canada. each ml contains 250mgof L Lysine HCL in a bse of purified water, sorbitol, cod liver oil, zanthan gum, tuna flavor, soy lecithin, silica aerogel, carmel color, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate. they reccomend 1 - 2 ml a day for adults and 1ml for kittens. anyone heard of this before? got any comments? dorlis Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: Hi Sidney The General sounds like a fabulous cat. It is great that he persisted. Are you using l-lycine as a supplement? I was able to get rid of a really bad upper respiratory with it. I buy it in capsule form and mix the powder into cats food and my cat, who could be a forensic pathologist when it comes to detecting supplements, does not know it is there. I make sure she gets 500mg daily and although it takes time, it usually works. I also use interferon, but give it on and off each day, rather than weeks. I wonder if that would make a difference. There is a study underway (Dr. Jean Dodds ..Rabies Challenge) to prove that we over vaccinate our animals and that one rabies shot should protect an animal for its lifetime. You can Google the 'rabies challenge' and read about the study and the vets who are involved. A rabies shot can be stressful for a healthy animal. I would think twice about vaccinating an Felv kittie. Hope your General continues to thrive. Jane On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:17 AM, souther...@aol.com wrote: AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? My big boy, General Sterling Price, came to me. I have never owned a cat in my life. I was working in my flowers in April 2007 when this big black tuxedo cat came and CLIMBED ON MY BACK. I was not happy. I tried to shoo him away. He was having none of it. He was like a bag of bones. And he cried so pitifully that I went and got him a bowl of milk (I didn't know cats weren't supposed to have milk any more than dogs are!) He drank it down so I got him another, which he drank down. The next day he was still out there. So I brought him dog food out (it's all I had) and he ate the entire bowl. So the next day, when he was still there, I bought him a sack of some sort of cat food at the grocery. He ate it of course. After 3 weeks of doing this I decided that if he was gonna hang around, then he was gonna be neutered. So I took him to the vet. He did the required blood tests and said this cat is FeLV +. You might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. By then I had developed an attachment to him, so I changed vets. (I now take him to the Nashville Cat Clinic) This boy went from living outside to living in the garage to now living in the house and sleeping in the bed with the Mini Schnauzer who hates him and my husband and me. He has some really strange eating habits these days. He won't eat any one food for long. My vet wants him on grain free canned but he's not willing to eat that right now. He is now eating Evo dry and Halo dry. He'll eat one for 2-3 days and then he won't eat it and I'll change. The only problem I have is that I can no longer get him to take his supplements. He's on an immune system supplement that is a tablet I used to mix with the wet food. Now he won't eat it if I do. I've tried even mixing it in tuna and he won't eat it. So I'm in a little bit of a state over this. he is also on interferon 7 days on and 7 days off. I've also had some problems with this lately as he seems to throw up on the days that I give him interferon. He's had a kidney infection he's overcome. he has had pancreatitis that he's overcome, and he's had some fairly chronic
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i agree with the others, sounds like thyroid. my Shalimar had hyper thyroid and she did the same thing. she also had a habit o spitting out the pills for it . had to give them, did radio active iodine which makes it necessary to supplement the thyroid. got so i had to hold her and rub down on her throat until she swallowed pill. dorlis Pebble pebble...@yahoo.it wrote: Please, can anyone help me? My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't know what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse. Stefania Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Survey Answers and a question
Dorlis, this was a male cat who was an only cat. He has been dead for over 20 years now. L -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Laurieskatz Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Survey Answers and a question laurie, maybe she is an alpha and you are not doing what she wants so she teaches you a lesson? sometimes, Annie will act like this. wish i could get inside their heads and then i could solve the problem. we need a Caesar for cats i think. dorlis Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Susan, good info on the internet about human directed aggression. Yes, I suspect she was removed from her littermates too soon. We had a cat like this once...he'd had distemper as a kitten and we thought he was a little brain damaged. I wonder, if the suggestions under human directed cat aggression don't work, about trying some kitty Prozac. Laurie Our biggest issue with Autumn is that she wants constant people interaction and if you don't entertain her she will go into a rage and bite and scratch. Rage is the only way to describe it. She will sit and stare at you meow and sometimes I can't figure out what she wants. At that point it is only a countdown to her attacking me. I end up with bloody bites, bruises and scratches. We have tried very hard to break her of this.You have to do something because if you ignore her it only escalates. We have tried the squirt bottle on the vet's recommendation and she will simply sneak up behind me and bite the back of my arm and run away. She bites hard and leaves terrible bruises and puncture wounds. The best thing is Time Out which removes all the stimulation. It's the only thing that seems to calm her, but if you let her out too early she will stalk back over to you and attack. My best guess is that she didn't have siblings or anyone to play with and teach her that biting hurts. We love her, she can be very sweet, but I wish I could break her of these attacks. I don't know if she's frustrated or bored? She has a ton of toys and some are free-standing and she can and does play with them by herself. I just don't know. Has anyone else had this problem? ~Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Survey Answers and a question
Ps checkout Pam Johnson Bennett (Think Like a Cat and other great books). She is the cat guru in my opinion! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Laurieskatz Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Survey Answers and a question laurie, maybe she is an alpha and you are not doing what she wants so she teaches you a lesson? sometimes, Annie will act like this. wish i could get inside their heads and then i could solve the problem. we need a Caesar for cats i think. dorlis Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Susan, good info on the internet about human directed aggression. Yes, I suspect she was removed from her littermates too soon. We had a cat like this once...he'd had distemper as a kitten and we thought he was a little brain damaged. I wonder, if the suggestions under human directed cat aggression don't work, about trying some kitty Prozac. Laurie Our biggest issue with Autumn is that she wants constant people interaction and if you don't entertain her she will go into a rage and bite and scratch. Rage is the only way to describe it. She will sit and stare at you meow and sometimes I can't figure out what she wants. At that point it is only a countdown to her attacking me. I end up with bloody bites, bruises and scratches. We have tried very hard to break her of this.You have to do something because if you ignore her it only escalates. We have tried the squirt bottle on the vet's recommendation and she will simply sneak up behind me and bite the back of my arm and run away. She bites hard and leaves terrible bruises and puncture wounds. The best thing is Time Out which removes all the stimulation. It's the only thing that seems to calm her, but if you let her out too early she will stalk back over to you and attack. My best guess is that she didn't have siblings or anyone to play with and teach her that biting hurts. We love her, she can be very sweet, but I wish I could break her of these attacks. I don't know if she's frustrated or bored? She has a ton of toys and some are free-standing and she can and does play with them by herself. I just don't know. Has anyone else had this problem? ~Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
you used my favorite word, ammeliorating. first job i had as secretary, my boss dictated a letter and he held the mic so close to his mustache, that i wasn't sure where to look in the dictionary to find it. i have never forgotten this word. dorlis patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
seems odd that it should be so widely used in veterinary medicine if there is only one study published. anyone on the fanciers health list? i know it's been spoken of often there, and i know that a number of years back, one of the california vet assns recommended that ALL cats, symptomatic or not, be given lysine as a supplement. and i think that everyone on this list knows not to take everything a vet says, no matter how well-meaning they may, as the final word. or most of us would have killed our FeLVs upon the first ELISSA result. just talked with someone last weekend who was worried about her FIP-exposed cats in a sanctuary setting, where we tried many many supplements and alternative treatments, as well as standard ones, the one that was ABSOLUTELY EFFECTIVE was the addition of lysine. anecdotal? of course. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L-Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
You can also buy in pill form and crush it yourself. This is the least expensive way. Mine also like Viralys which is a flavored powder and about 3 times as expensive as the pills. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. Heard of it, and it is WAAAY too expensive. You can buy a pound of powder lysine for about $15, it is made by NOW and sold in many online places.. That would give you about 1644 250mg doses. It has no taste and mixed with wet food just about any cat will just eat it. It is really sort of granulated and some of mine don't like the feel so I dissolve it in a tiny bit of water. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Jane Lyons Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. on the L-Lysine, my vet ordered an oral paste for me. no one is sick right now, but i give it as a preventative. name is Enisyl-F, made by Vetoquinol in Canada. each ml contains 250mgof L Lysine HCL in a bse of purified water, sorbitol, cod liver oil, zanthan gum, tuna flavor, soy lecithin, silica aerogel, carmel color, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate. they reccomend 1 - 2 ml a day for adults and 1ml for kittens. anyone heard of this before? got any comments? dorlis Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: Hi Sidney The General sounds like a fabulous cat. It is great that he persisted. Are you using l-lycine as a supplement? I was able to get rid of a really bad upper respiratory with it. I buy it in capsule form and mix the powder into cats food and my cat, who could be a forensic pathologist when it comes to detecting supplements, does not know it is there. I make sure she gets 500mg daily and although it takes time, it usually works. I also use interferon, but give it on and off each day, rather than weeks. I wonder if that would make a difference. There is a study underway (Dr. Jean Dodds ..Rabies Challenge) to prove that we over vaccinate our animals and that one rabies shot should protect an animal for its lifetime. You can Google the 'rabies challenge' and read about the study and the vets who are involved. A rabies shot can be stressful for a healthy animal. I would think twice about vaccinating an Felv kittie. Hope your General continues to thrive. Jane On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:17 AM, souther...@aol.com wrote: AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? My big boy, General Sterling Price, came to me. I have never owned a cat in my life. I was working in my flowers in April 2007 when this big black tuxedo cat came and CLIMBED ON MY BACK. I was not happy. I tried to shoo him away. He was having none of it. He was like a bag of bones. And he cried so pitifully that I went and got him a bowl of milk (I didn't know cats weren't supposed to have milk any more than dogs are!) He drank it down so I got him another, which he drank down. The next day he was still out there. So I brought him dog food out (it's all I had) and he ate the entire bowl. So the next day, when he was still there, I bought him a sack of some sort of cat food at the grocery. He ate it of course. After 3 weeks of doing this I decided that if he was gonna hang around, then he was gonna be neutered. So I took him to the vet. He did the required blood tests and said this cat is FeLV +. You might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. By then I had developed an attachment to him, so I changed vets. (I now take him to the Nashville Cat Clinic) This boy went from living outside to living in the garage to now living in the house and sleeping in the bed with the Mini Schnauzer who hates him and my husband and me. He has some really strange eating habits these days. He won't eat any one food for long. My vet wants him on grain free canned but he's not willing to eat that right now. He is now eating Evo dry and Halo dry. He'll eat one for 2-3 days and then he won't eat it and I'll change. The only problem I have is that I can no longer get him to take his supplements. He's on an immune system supplement
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
i think you owe it to others who adopt from this shelter and the shelter itself to tell them about this. maybe they don't realize that they should test all cat coming to them and maybe they are staffed by volunteers and don't have enough people to get everything done. hopefully, when you tell them they will change their ways. dorlis Stefania pebble...@yahoo.it wrote: I am certainly not diagnosing your cat. In humans a smooth tongue is a symptom of anemia. Anemia is common in FELV cats. Are her gums pale? I had severe anemia and my tongue was very sore as well. Could be why she is not grooming it hurts. Thank-you Sally and all! I don't think she has anemia, because her blood test gave good results: she only has a higher level of cholesterol, but the other things are ok. Today I will go to another vet at 11.00 and I will explain everything to her in order to understand what is happening. Yesterday I had another shock: my other cat (I have 4 cats) who comes from a shelter and was before a stray cat, is positive both with FIV and FeLV. When I took him from the shelter they did not have him tested and did not say anything. He has a chronic rhinitis because he was ill as a kitten, but he copes well, eats, etc... I did not test him when I took him because I was ignorant and I thought that FeLV could be transmitted with prolonged contact or fight and sexual intercourse. Since he was neutered and was a quiet cat, I wasn't worried. Now, with my older cat being diagnosed wiht FeLV, I'm proceeding to test all other cats, and this is the surprise: HE is ill, so the most probable thing is that this cat came to my house and brought FeLV with him, because my older cat has always lived with me and been strong and in excellent health and have never had contacts with other cats because of her very strange behaviour (a sort of Mr. Monk!). The shelter is responsible for this, and now I'm very worried for the other two cats. Even though they are vaccinated against FeLV, I know that the vaccine cannot guarantee 100% coverage (is coverage the right word?) against the virus. If my older cat, who is always by herself and does not even go where the other cats go, has been infected, I cannot imagine what happened with the other two, who are close friends with this poor cat and are always together grooming theirselves and playing. I'm really sad and disillusioned. I learned, however, that cats can live many years even if they're positive, so ... let's hope. Thank you all, I will write the news later. This list is a blessing. Stefania Passa a Yahoo! Mail. La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
my Lil Bit came from a rescue shelter. she is not pos, but she did have a persistant upper respiratory infection. when first antibiotic did not work i asked the vet to do a culture (saw that on elvtalk) and then she found out exactly which antibiotic Lil Bit needed . gave it to her and it cleared up right away. pays to ask questions. ddorlis Stefania pebble...@yahoo.it wrote: Hi, Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. Yes, I already use good food of quality and in fact I have this infected cat since 2007 and he's living very well. I hope my older too will regain energy and be well again, even if I know that their destiny will be to develop something serious. I do not blame my shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death My shelter claims to give away only tested cats, but this was not the case and now... they're even blaming me for causing a possible infection to the last kitten I've adopted!!! This is a pain, because it was their fault and now they're attacking me. I'm really sad for this, because I never complained with them about giving care to the cats they gave me in a poor health condition. I have 4 cats and two of them are mine: the older one (Trudi) comes from a friend of mine who had a queen with kitten, the other one (Ginny) was found by me on the road, and kept. These two are healthy and have never been to the vet, except for the vaccination. The other two (Miro and Babette) come from the same shelter and both developed rhinitis and had problems with their eyes etc. In these two months, since I took the 4th cat, I've been almost 20 times to the vet!!! And it's going on... But I think we will survive, eventually! :-) Stef Passa a Yahoo! Mail. La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
re: vets. how true. i feel i am lucky that my vet has an open mind and if i tell him about something i have read about, he asks for a copy if it is something he is unaware of. i also put him onto this site and he is now a fan. great to have a vet who admits he doesn't know everything and is willing to learn more. dorlis Rosenfeldt wrote: Stef -- Sorry you're having all this trouble and worry right now. About FIV, you are right and your vet is wrong. It is VERY hard to transmit other than through fighting (deep bites) and sex. It's much less contagious than FeLV, and even FeLV appears to be not as contagious as originally thought. I'm on a feral cat list where there has been some discussion of FeLV, and people have said they've seen cat colonies where they know that some cats are FeLV+, and if it's as transmissible as we're supposed to believe, the whole colonies should have gotten sick and died, and they just haven't. The trouble is that for some reason some vets don't keep up with new research as much as they should, and keep giving wrong information, and more importantly, don't know the right things to do to keep the cats as healthy as possible or to treat them properly when they do get sick. Your cats are very cute! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stefania Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability Hi Chris, thank-you very much for sharing your story. The problem here is that in these days I read very much on FeLV and FIV and I agree with you. My cats have always been together (except for Trudi, who is a lone wolf), they play, groom each other and they eat together even if they have one bowl each :-) They go out and I live in the country, so there are surely many stray cats and many owners who don't bother to test their cats! What am I supposed to do? I don't want to keep them inside because it's like a prison for them. On friday I will test the last two of them and I strongly hope they're negative, so I will continue to vaccine them and hope. My vet scared me a lot saying that FIV is very transmissible and the virus is strong and cats can catch it by grooming each other. Since I knew that it's not so, I tried to ask once again to this vet, but she keeps on saying that FIV spreads very well. I'm really surprised to hear so... I so decided to take Trudi to another vet and she immediately recognized stomatitis in her mouth (which the first one denied) and nose. She simply gave me a gel for her mouth. About the dermatitis: it can be for amoxicillin but we don't know. We decided to use, first, something against fleas and then wait and see. If the situation does not change, we will try with a local gel. Has anyone had experience with dermatitis? For Trudi it's the first time, and that's why I think it was the amoxicillin. If you want to see picture of my 4 babies, I have a blog. It's written in cattish so you cannot understand, but you can see pictures. It's www.trumiro.com Hi all! Stef Passa a Yahoo! Mail. La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
retest her. my vet and i agree that since Annie has a secure home now and is over the trauma of loosing her person that she might not be pos after all. since she was not pos before all this, it could just be that the trauma lowered her defences temporarily and now she is in a stable atmosphere, she is okay now. that is what we hope. otherwise we can't figure how she became pos. she was always an indoor only cat. dorlis Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have a FELV+ kitty, Maddie 3 yrs old who came as a stray to us in October 2008, she is strictly indoors now, she is on interferon, and she is eating well, gaining weight, playing, lovable, etc. She has not been spayed, My vet who wanted to put her to sleep in October just because she was positive, which of course I did not do, told me not to have her spayed it could stress her and she would die, another vet told me to have her spayed. I don't know what to do, looking at her you would never even know that she was sick. Any advice? I love her so much and I don't want to do anything that may harm her. _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
