To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure I should duck for cover.
I've been playing with Sibelius, and its MIDI implementation is brilliant.
It's more than just the mixer window (which is entertaining for about 2
minutes). Unlike Finale, in Sibelius I've been able to customize default
patches for
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Or you could just buy a copy of Sibelius, which has a handy mixer window
to
control the MIDI volume setting.
Ducking for cover,
And so you should! :)
Seriously though, the MIDI options in Finale while fairly flexible are not
nearly as clearly laid as they
Richard Walker writes:
I just load my orchestra into GigaStudio, open a new document,
choose my weapons, and away I go twiddle-free to create
music and listen to a decent approximation of
it, using the samples I like.
Which is exactly what I can do in Finale as well (appart from the
Steven D Sandiford writes:
I've just (!) upgraded to Finale 2002. When I leave the Speedy Entry frame,
the screen flickers (re-draws) and then does it again (re-draws a second
time). Why?
FWIW, the Windows version of Fin2002 doesn't seem to have this
problem. For the Mac version, check if
Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded S word, has anybody heard
about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any version of Finale or Encore
to Sibelius for $179... pretty keen deal. My dealer told me about this yesterday.
I've not upgraded to Finale 2003 yet, and
Anybody else want to deal with their piracy-prevention scheme? Not me!
No matter what the price!
William Roberts wrote:
Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded S word, has anybody
heard about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any version of Finale or
In a message dated 7/9/2002 10:04:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
PS: Tammy, can you please turn off the extremely annoying HTML? And,
while you're at it, tell your ISP that you've gotten tons of mail from
people who can't read your messages.
Huh? I'm sending regular
On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, William Roberts wrote:
Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded S word, has
anybody heard about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any
version of Finale or Encore to Sibelius for $179... pretty keen deal.
I received an e-mail advertisement
On 09.07.2002 20:54 Uhr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
In a message dated 7/9/2002 10:04:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
PS: Tammy, can you please turn off the extremely annoying HTML? And,
while you're at it, tell your ISP that you've gotten tons of mail from
people
On 09.07.2002 22:02 Uhr, Weldon Whipple wrote
On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, William Roberts wrote:
Apropos of the discussion earlier today about the dreaded S word, has
anybody heard about their new cross-grade offer? Cross-grade from any
version of Finale or Encore to Sibelius for $179... pretty
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to present the appearance of a particular
key in Finale?
I am working with some midi files imported into Finale, and they have
anomalous accidentals. For example, in a piece that is clearly in A minor,
there are g sharps, which are quite logical, but also g
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 04:50 AM, Richard Walker wrote:
(Just curious: did anyone ever figure out that drawing thing?)
Yes (1991).
Finale has its good points, but flexible MIDI implementation is
not among them.
It's reasonably flexible, just not user friendly compared to the
Yeah it's automatic music spacing that does it a 2nd time.
I still despise the automatic move speedy makes when you click off
on the half
exposed side
measures.
Please, please let's all get this to be optional.
And did you notice that, while Finale 2000 had *finally* gotten rid
of all the
At 01:44 PM 7/9/02 -0400, David H. Bailey wrote:
Anybody else want to deal with their piracy-prevention scheme? Not me!
No matter what the price!
Absolutely never.
Dennis
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Andrew Stiller wrote
IMO Finale has gained very little since Fin2K (if you factor in these
losses)
The new system margin options and the engraver slurs are enough for me between
these two versions, although I also don't like the things you mentioned.
and I plan to skip 2K3
I agree 2K3
On 9 Jul 2002, at 13:08, Philip Aker wrote:
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 04:50 AM, Richard Walker wrote:
... I can switch between pizzicato, mute, solo, tutti, and
arco/nat samples just by typing the words above the staff (no
fussy expression dialogs)...
is a great request and I
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to present the appearance of a particular
key in Finale?
I am working with some midi files imported into Finale, and they have
anomalous accidentals. For example, in a piece that is clearly in A minor,
there are g sharps, which are quite logical, but also g
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 04:50 AM, Richard Walker wrote:
... I can switch between pizzicato, mute, solo, tutti, and
arco/nat samples just by typing the words above the staff (no
fussy expression dialogs)...
Without commenting on the main MIDI playback issue, which is one I care
On 09.07.2002 22:14 Uhr, Andrew Stiller wrote
And did you notice that, while Finale 2000 had *finally* gotten rid
of all the unnecessary prompts to save that always plagued the
program, subsequent versions have reintroduced them! This is not
progress. Also, we've lost the ability to nix a
You're right that was the main point, but being able to type them directly
into the score rather than going through all that bothersome tool-switching
and dialog-navigating is also a boon.
The really neat thing, however, is that the same pizz entry selects the
proper samples for the 1st violins
On 9 Jul 2002, at 13:56, Robert Patterson wrote:
Eventually the Finale user figures out that s/he can assign metatools to the
most common expressions. Metatools are far more efficient than typing in (or
pointing and clicking). Thus while Finale clearly (in this intance) takes longer
to learn
Somehow I go the impression that Finale 2003 included a new feature that
prevented the collision of the multimeasure rest graphic with
clefs at the
end of a multimeasure rest. I dreamed that, didn't I? It appears that
Fin2k3 operates the same as Fin2k2 in this regard.
Not really a
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Haven't you missed Richard's point?
The point was automatic interpretation of those expressions, so that the
strings switch to Pizzicato and back to Arco, just because the
expressions are there.
Much as I have to coment on regarding MIDI in Finale, I like the
Lee Actor writes:
I always start a new piece by altering an old one. Is there any to get the
new setting into an old file, even by manually editing the data file if
necessary?
You have the default Multimeasure Rest definitions in the
Options/Document Options... dialog (select the
OK, I have tried to work this out on my own. . .
This is for a large orchestra piece.
I have a passage in 12/4 - and I want 3 staves to go into 4/4 at the same
time (bar=bar) - when I do this either the 4/4 bars get cramped, or the 12/4
bars do. Any help? PLEASE! (This is driving me a
At 06:30 AM 7/10/02 +0900, Richard Walker wrote:
What's the big deal? You go to their web page, input your information and
get the magic number that opens up the program. It's not that onerous, and
it's not nearly as ugly, say, as the dongle that Logic makes you attach
before it will work.
In
on 02.7.9 10:15 PM, Jari Williamsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Richard Walker writes:
I just load my orchestra into GigaStudio, open a new document,
choose my weapons, and away I go
Which is exactly what I can do in Finale as well
Although you can't. Yet...
Well, I'm sure you'll
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 01:36 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
... I can switch between pizzicato, mute, solo, tutti, and
arco/nat samples just by typing the words above the staff (no
fussy expression dialogs)...
is a great request and I think you should send it over to
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At 4:10 PM -0700 7/9/02, Lee Actor wrote:
I always start a new piece by altering an old one. Is there
any to get the
new setting into an old file, even by manually editing the data file if
necessary?
You have the default Multimeasure Rest definitions in the
Options/Document
At 08:07 AM 7/10/02 +0900, you wrote:
My impression is that they are very easy
to work with.
And when they are out of business? They will be, of course. Then where will
your years of work be? And, as I said, what about your archivists,
correspondents, or clients?
You're a composer; I'm a
I've been reading this discussion, and a few things struck me. Finale,
it seems to me, is a tool for the serious engraver, and for the
composer/arranger who's interested in producing music on paper for
performers to read and play.
Sibelius, on the other hand, is for the composer/arranger who
On 9 Jul 2002, at 14:55, Robert Patterson wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote
But who would waste a metatool on pizzicato/arco, when you'd need 1 pizz
and an arco for each of the string patches you had in use (assuming they
aren't all orchestral)?
Me, for one. As I said, I don't worry too
At 08:12 PM 7/9/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
In any event, quadrupling the number of metatool keys isn't exactly user-
friendly, since how in the world could one keep track of so many
different shortcuts?
My own solution is to use only the tools I need for a given score. The ones
that are
On 9 Jul 2002, at 16:30, Philip Aker wrote:
I didn't mention that I agree that Finale's implementation of
these features could be made more user friendly (no fussy
expression dialogs) because I'm already adept at using them the
way they are and I'd rather Coda's development time be spent
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 10:52 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
And when your computer crashes and you haven't removed the enabling
code, do they simply give you an additional code to activate it on your
new machine, no questions asked? And how about using it on a notebook
AND a desktop,
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 08:41 PM, Horace Brock wrote:
It would seem, also, that Sibelius has a greater capacity for
playback, for the perswon who is interested in direct recording
or computer playback (MIDI, etc.). Its greater flexibility in
articulation styles (pizz. and so on)
Concerning pizz and arco David Fenton writes:
There simply aren't enough numbers on the keyboard to make metatools work
for this kind of thing.
Now that it's possible to assign metatools to just about all the keys
on the qwerty keyboard, I've used p to enter pizz and a to enter
arco for some
Horace Brock wrote:
Sibelius, on the other hand, is for the composer/arranger who needs
fast results
It all depends on your definition of fast. I now get *incredibly* fast
and higly polished results. So fast that I would rather spend my time
doing other things than looking for an alternative.
David W. Fenton wrote:
quadrupling the number of metatool keys
Gracious. I just can't let this go by. Occasionally I have gone back to
Fin97 to avoid re-editing an old doc. It is the SLAG MINES! (Single
undo, lotsa bugs that have since been fixed, no staff styles.) And only
9 metatools.
on 02.7.10 10:20 AM, Philip Aker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 08:41 PM, Horace Brock wrote:
It would seem, also, that Sibelius has a greater capacity for
playback, for the perswon who is interested in direct recording
or computer playback (MIDI, etc.). Its
Harold Owen wrote:
I think the perfect application would give you the easy way to
standard needs while giving you complete control over details, should
you need alternate solutions.
Indeed it would perfect. Have you never wondered why few if any such
apps exists?
Personally, I would like to
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 05:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I didn't mention that I agree that Finale's implementation of
these features could be made more user friendly (no fussy
expression dialogs) because I'm already adept at using them
the way they are and I'd rather Coda's
I am not replying directly to the list member who wrote the 5-minute
crescendo comment because I deleted the message, and then thought to
respond.
A crescendo in Finale: select MIDI tool (a keystroke); select region;
apply scale of key velocities or volume controller. Done in 10
seconds.
At 10:58 AM +0900 7/10/02, Richard Walker wrote:
on 02.7.10 10:20 AM, Philip Aker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 08:41 PM, Horace Brock wrote:
So how's about
you come up with a description of a Sib
articulation/expression/playback effect that I can't reproduce
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 06:58 PM, Richard Walker wrote:
It would seem, also, that Sibelius has a greater capacity for
playback, for the perswon who is interested in direct
recording or computer playback (MIDI, etc.). Its greater
flexibility in articulation styles (pizz. and so on)
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