It ia time this buckoff gives up his ownership platitudes and steps down
as listowner.
He is genuine antiflux.
From: allen bukoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: (II) a few thoughts (addendum)
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Dear Bertrand,
I have never attacked Ken Friedman's person on this list or off the
list.
Only explained how he was seen by Fluxus artists.
Eric
Bertrand Clavez wrote:
Shit happens sometimes.
But this one seems quite private, and I don't see why it has to happen here.
Further, since Ken
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From: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph McElroy
Dear Bertrand,
I have never attacked Ken Friedman's person on this list or off the
list.
Only explained how he was seen
Dear Carol,
Well, not that sleepy - visiting other spaces. But thanks for attention. I
can recommend a visit to the MAC in Marseille.
Bests,
Eric
Carol Starr wrote:
ahh, the sleeping dragon has awakened
bests, carol
Eric Andersen wrote:
Never mind Tamas.
This Sol Nte
bests, carol
Eric Andersen wrote:
Never mind Tamas.
This Sol Nte is always completely out of touch with this Fluxus topic.
A real farce.
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, mentioned in Emmett's book, everybody was
extremely amused, - even Maciunas in the end Everybody was expelled and invited
again and again Funny enough Sol found this event Excellent not so long time
ago
Sol Nte wrote:
Eric Andersen may be an important artist but from my experience his
personality
That's why nobody from the founding group ever address
themselves to the list A part from me, who sometimes are quite amused by
phoniness
address is present tense
In general the artists who participated in the first festivals are considered to
form the founding group
It is interesting to
The amount of ignorance on This Phoney Flux List is amazing.
A person I don't know, Allen Bukoff, - I guess from the mid-West, -
published the 24th of Feb.on the list an article in where he connects me
to Ken Friedman in at least 2 ways. Since this is absolutely not true, I
responded to the list
There is no definition and there is no rigid frame. But not everything is
Fluxus. Ignorance certainly not.
For people who are interested in genuine information about Fluxus, I can
recommend the newly published catalogue from Museo Villa Croce in Genova.
The name of the catalogue is The Fluxus
Because something is not included it is not necessarily excluded. There
are many more positions. I will suggest that you read the sources I have
referred to.
Dan Holmes wrote:
Both points are well represented here. Thank
you for the objective point of view.
I concede that Eric Andersen
That's exactly what I meant with The Silly Boys.
I am not sure I fully understand why Ken Friedman has to be mentioned again.
As far as I remember, I have never attacked him. I have corrected a number of
mistakes he has made and offered some information to the list.
Also as far as I remember, I
and West US confuse you. They
have noting to do with Fluxus. They are entirely phony.
Just read the title: Director, Fluxus West. Utterly ridiculous.
What you saw in Genova was the real thing.
Keep in touch,
Eric Andersen
Don Boyd wrote:
Dear Grasil, I don't know of any upcoming Fluxus events
Co-ordinator of performance activities: Caterina
Gualco
Catalogue (Neos Editions) edited by Sandra
Solimano. Texts by Eric Andersen, Philip Corner, Gino Di Maggio,
Hannah Higgins, Linda
Kaiser, Henry Martin, Enrico Pedrini, Sandro
Ricaldone, Sandra Solimano, Ben Vautier.
The exhibition will occupy
. Committee co-ordinators: Sandra
Solimano,
Caterina Gualco
Co-ordinator of performance activities: Caterina
Gualco
Catalogue (Neos Editions) edited by Sandra
Solimano. Texts by Eric Andersen, Philip Corner, Gino Di Maggio, Hannah
Higgins, Linda
Kaiser, Henry Martin, Enrico Pedrini, Sandro
Ricaldone
Seven of the founders of Fluxus will perform at 3 evenings in Odense
shortly.
www.odense-performance-festival.dk.
t;the most radical and
experimental art movement of the 1960s." As a laboratory of
experimental art, Fluxus was the first locus of intermedia, concept
art, events, and video, and a central influence on performance art,
arte povera, and mail art.
De: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Well, some people working within the network had some of these attitudes.
Some not. None of them had all of them. Many people working outside the
network had many of them. Some all.
Reed Altemus wrote:
Well, like the attitude that once you have
an approach to a problem, you then thinkof
I don't care what you find interesting or not. I just explained a few things
as a response to Sol's wish to ban 2 more persons from the list.
Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
Eric Andersen
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey Eric,
members
that none of the original artists from
Dear Heiko,
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
what did you or do you think of Dick Higgins ?
Dick was one of my best friends. A great artist and scholar.
Al Hanson ? Was he an artist ?
Which works would you say are art ? (I liked the early theoretical things
on Happenings most.
And his sentence:
This is plain silly. Of course I can unsubscribe. Of course I can start
my own list. However, I can also express my opinion about this list.
Listowners, who try to solve disputes by banning people should meet no
respect.
Listowners not respected should step down.
Eric Andersen
George
What do you mean by attitude? Which attitude?
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey, you're the one who brought up the "definition"
problem, not me! Thought you weregonna slip that past me eh? No, of course
no one defined Fluxus, from what I understandthe less defined it was the
harder it was for anyone to
Sol brought Ken Friedman's name up. I didn't
alan bowman wrote:
why does eric constantly have to refer to ken friedman, why does he bring up
ken's name?
was ken involved in the G2000 thing, or tamas' tests?
let's vote
hands up who give a
ahem!
it.
Eric Andersen.
I entirely agree to it all / Eric
narvis ...pez wrote:
yeah!!
vote for g-2000!
he promised a fluxus-fluxlist-fluxsit-fluxist-flixits
god-good comeback
(without video copyrights)
...p
De: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul
Probably not / Eric
Deborah wrote:
At 01:01 AM 7/14/01 +0200, you wrote:
As always, ex-listowner Sol doesn't get it.
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Best wishes to all and especially to the ones who get it.
Eric Andersen.
yawn
Is this going to be over soon
It is really quite
simple. It is completely silly to block G e n i u s 2 0 0 0.
Lift the ban. This Genius didn't spam the list more than others. In the
future let the list members vote on any bans.
And rotate list owners.
For the next 6 months let's appoint brad brace. Bukoff and the rest to
Doesn't seem to be possible. Have tried quite a number of times to re-post
the original reference to the list.
It seems to be censored and blocked by somebody.
Don Boyd wrote:
Eric and Tamas: Unfortunately I dfid not see your original message so was
not able to fall silent. Could you
Roger Stevens wrote:
Was there ever such a referance?
Yes.
Dear Owen,
To answer your question I have tried quite a number of times to mail the
original reference to the list.
It seems to be censored and blocked by somebody.
Bests
Eric
Owen Smith wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Tamas,
Great tests and proposal for maillist. Finally some
Dear Heiko,
I want lots of things but not anything in particular with regard to this
matter.
Just made the observation that whenever Tamas address himself to the list the
number of messages immediately decreases drastically and nobody seems to be
willing to respond. I find it interesting,
Dear Tamas,
Great tests and proposal for maillist. Finally some spirit on the list.
It is interesting to see how silent everybody becomes, when your voice
is heard.
You seem to scare the mice.
All the bests,
Eric
The beauty of (art)history is that it is constantly being rewritten.
If pez wants his own myths, it is OK with me. Why not?
Eric
narvis ...pez wrote:
for instance, fluxus is alive
with beuys myth included
ok, why not ?
pez
No, it wasn't just the artmarket. In the 70's the perfect, political
radical, correct cocktail consisted of wholoism, theosophy, ecology and
a little touch of exotic mythology. To many people Joseph offered such a
perfect cocktail. Also many of his students at that time became real
disciples and
narvis ...pez wrote:
what's supposed "new" for you today?
Fluxus wasn't new in the first place. It was merely an accumulation of a lot of
intermedial research that had been done in many places of the world for 4-6
years. Innovation in this InterMedia space has gone on ever since. However not
women in the
street, I mean.
Badger (goddamnit I'm serious about everything!) Girl
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From: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: To Name
Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000, 5:08 PM
In the '60s Fluxus was really hated by everybody. The art world
It is not so strange. Maciunas was a wonderful person and a very energetic
organizer. In the early '60s he lived like a monk and his whole world was
centered around festivals and publishing. The differences between us was very
clear and nobody tried to hide them. Maciunas urged us to sign a
narvis ...pez wrote:
what about the recents fluxlist box, the fluxstamp project
( roger steven's cageanian poetrybook) these are not
a "fluxumm aesthetic sharing" or do we don't move in an strategy
to go on a new "flux the way" of process art?
I don't know. I haven't seen any of them.
In the '60s Fluxus was really hated by everybody. The art world, the music
scene, the woman in the street, the cab driver. We were all considered lunatics.
If you really wanted to complicate your cultural and otherwise political life,
you just had to tell people that you were one of them who had
Don,
This is a misunderstanding. I have never said that I didn't approve of Beuys.
And I would never say such a thing. What I did was to correct a number of Heiner
Stachelhaus unbelievable mistakes.
Eric
Heiner Stachelhaus
Don Boyd wrote:
Thanks, Patricia and others for the information on
impression of the early years.
Eric Andersen
Dear Heiko,
Yes, it is my favorite Beuys piece. An exalted short circuit.
Eric
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
Think he did that himself with his stamp "Fluxus Zone West".
Duesseldorf...life style..
H.
ristiansen also in Germany is considered associated with the
Flux network. He never was.
Eric
tartarugo wrote:
Eric Andersen wrote:
It is amazing how especially German art history has manipulated lots
of people
to believe that Joseph Beuys was a central figure in the Flux
networ
and
metaphysics are really quite opposite worlds to intermedia.
Eric Andersen
Dear Dave,
Yes, festival Odense, Denmark, September, 10th until September, 14th
2001.
Mieko Shiomi, Alison Knowles, Ben Patterson, Ben Vautier, Larry Miller,
Philip Corner, Eric Andersen a.o.
Eric
ddyment wrote:
hello, a friend is looking to get grant funding to attend conferences
as real open and nobody called themselves "real Fluxus".
Co-founders of the network such as Emmett Williams, Robert Filliou, Tomas
Schmit, Ben Patterson, Arthur Køpcke, Ben Vautier, Willem de Ridder, Wolf
Vostell and I, - etc. never attended any Cage-classes.
Eric Andersen.
Dear Heiko,
I wasn't concerned about naming things. And didn't deal with what could
be called Fluxus or not. I objected to your statement that Fluxus
started in Cage classes. It certainly did not. And it certainly did not
originate in New York.
About Al. Millions of stories can be told.
It is amazing how Sol and others thought they could rely on and base a
Fluxlist on Ken Friedman, who is considered to be a complete farce by most
artists ever associated with Fluxus.
As Ben Patterson often puts is: If Ken Friedman didn't exist we would have
to invent him.
My advice for the list
I find very little quarrels on the list after Ken Friedman left.
Howver, since it is called a Fluxlist, it should be important for the
members to know how most Fluxus artists value Ken Friedman.
Personally I have nothing against him.
If Sol or others enjoy communicating with a dishonsest
Can you explain this a little bit more, how did this topic came on, what
was done, how did it go away ?
H.
For a start I can refer you to the book "foewombwhnw" by Dick Higgins.
published by Something Else Press in 1969 - L.C. Catalog Card No.: 78-84054
- p. 95 - Boredom and Danger.
Eric
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
Eric:
truly at times one hand does not know what the other is doing
you are sending publicly a letter that purports to be private
commenting on ken's doing the same
i realize "all's fair in love (or hate) and war"
but
Dear Alan,
Happy that you agree with me that Ken is wasting everybodies time. Making a
fool
of himself.
I would cetainly never have published any correspondance with him.
But I don't understand why you don't like me to answer mail addressed to
me.
I think it is pathetic.
About boredom: It was
Dear Marc,
I agree entirely. I think Ken is wasting everybodies time and making a fool
of himself by publishing his correspondance with IPUT and me on the list.
It is pathetic.
Ciao
Eric
Concerning Ken's short note of today.
I wrote: "Some day the entire correspondance will end up on the Fluxlist."
I was quite right.
Concerning the other matters: Just ask people who was present, when and if
you see them
Finally for them who want to know: I'm not obsessed with Ken, only
Dear Tim,
I predicted that the correspondance between Ken, IPUT and me would end up
on the list, but I certainly didn't take any steps in that direction.
Ciao
Eric
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