Haha, if GOTO is harmful, why, my own hardware is the most harmful device ever
imagined!
On Jul 17, 2011, at 2:46 PM, David Leibs wrote:
> I couldn't handle his condescending attitude towards goto statements.
> I might not use them very often but when you need one there is nothing better.
>
>
Smells like Kool-Aide. I smell bullshit. Dude is selling a book tour or
something. Let's just pick the POS we have now and run with it? Seriously? How
many times has that gone well?
Dude is on a book-tour or something. Let him have it.
On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:31 AM, karl ramberg wrote:
> Hi
>
d to impressionistic or abstract imagery). The
fascinating challenge of encapsulating maximal expressive power in terse
logical formalisms motivates our emphasis on procedural modelling."
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Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:49 PM
meshes to common 3D formats, which
is nice.
Does anyone here know of any open source software that does this stuff?
The author's dissertation is here:
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=193498
...and the book they wrote later can be purchased here:
http://www.amazon.com/Texturing-Mode
On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Wesley Smith wrote:
> The aspect of Bersgon that I was thinking about though was the concept
> of duration, particularly that of the cerebral interval (the time
> between a received movement and an executed movement), which generates
> perception. Yet perception is b
I can't help wondering whether or not it was any easier to keep a system
running when systems were big enough to climb inside of. When my tablet bricks
and refuses to take a flash, I can open the machine (I mean I can break it
open) but the part that computes and remembers is all one piece now.
ite FALSE, or 'FALSE', if I remember
right (BCC'd someone who was there, maybe his recollection about that is
better than mine.) They were sooo mad. Fortunately, I wasn't working on
the Perl parts much, because if I had been, I probably would have led the
revolt.
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nterwiki linking.
>
>
> added more content, doesn't seem like anyone else is adding content
> though...
>
> was sort of hoping interesting stuff would pop up, and partial uncertainty
> as to how objective some of the added content is, where my perspective is
> naturally limited to my own experiences.
>
>
> did describe my language some here:
> http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki/index.php/BGBScript
>
> however, this just describes the language, rather than the surrounding VM
> framework in general (may go do this next).
> it also does not describe the language in any comprehensive sense.
>
>
> or such...
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for now.
> The "Actor References" thread is probably a good place for that sort
> of thing.
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Casey Ransberger
> wrote:
> > No, not "linked list":)
> > Does goog groups give us a wiki? It occurs to me that my own
On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Ian Piumarta wrote:
>>> Invention receives no attention, and innovation (even when incorrectly
>>> understood) receives lip service in the press, but no current-day vehicle
>>> exists to to nurture it.
>
> +360
+360! I love this expression, it doesn't just say "I
o start a database of ideas and initiatives if there are at
> least a few in the fonc group that agree in principle.
>
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Below.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 2:16 PM, "C. Scott Ananian" wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:02 PM, BGB wrote:
>> Consider what it'd be like if we didn't represent code as text... and
>> represented it maybe as series of ideograms or icons (TileScript nod).
>> Syntax errors don't really crop up an
Inline and abridged.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 1:03 PM, "Jecel Assumpcao Jr." wrote:
>> Have you looked at the ALUs that kids have been making in Minecraft?
>> You can _walk around_ in there. Inside the simulated microprocessor,
>> and actually watch the "electrons" walk down the "Redstone wire." And
Comments below.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Dale Schumacher wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:50 AM, BGB wrote:
>>
>> however, unlike full image-based development, the app will generally
>> "forget" everything that was going on once it is exited and restarted.
>>
>
> I think this is one of
Amplification: if I wagered a guess, I'd go with "of human reach" or "of
potential leverage."
I also have one amp that goes up to 11, which is really nice because sometimes
I like a touch of extra kick for the solo.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Julian Leviston wrote:
>
> On 14/06/2011, at 1
Jecel, thanks for your reply. Inline.
On Jun 11, 2011, at 4:38 PM, "Jecel Assumpcao Jr." wrote:
> Casey,
>
>> Here's a fun thought: while staring at the Visual6502 visualization, it
>> occurred to
>> me that the likes of Verilog and VHDL probably represent a rather tall order
>> to
>> new fo
a good idea to try it now?
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Hahaha, this is it exactly!
Perpendicular, but a poignant friend/mentor of mine said "real software
engineering hasn't emerged because there aren't enough people dying yet."
He said that after I made my bid on what the difference is. My angle was: the
difference between software and engineerin
You know this isn't usable with the browser I have handy at the moment, but I
can already see it. Really interesting, I can imagine it would look more or
less like this. Thanks for putting me onto this, Ian.
On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Ian Piumarta wrote:
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 14:38
Frank,
Really good to hear that you've taken your first steps. You have great parents
and a promising future. Keep up the good work!
I was really impressed that you've already gotten into HyperCard; I must have
been fully 12 or 13 years old before I noticed it sitting on my own computer. I
tho
On Jun 9, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Josh Gargus wrote:
> Conceptually, yes. In practice, no, because the HTML/DOM render-target is
> also the lingua franca that makes the Web searchable and mashupable.
So I'd like to first point out that you're making a great point here, so I hope
it isn't too o
Inline
On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
> It was ... and is mostly associated with what came to be called Algol 58, but
> not Algol 60.
>
> Another way to look at it is that "almost all systems are difficult to
> maintain down the line" -- partly because they were not designed wit
I've heard of an IDE called VisualAge (I think?) that was written in Smalltalk
but could parse and to a degree reason about other languages, but I've never
seen it.
Have you looked for that thing, or was it just not so great?
On Jun 5, 2011, at 11:55 PM, BGB wrote:
> On 6/5/2011 11:03 PM, C.
Below:)
On Jun 5, 2011, at 11:19 PM, "C. Scott Ananian" wrote:
> I explored this idea a bit once upon a time in the context of Java:
> http://cscott.net/Publications/design.pdf
> The bibliography cites most of the related work I know about.
> --scott
Reading it now -- thanks for sharing this.
Ooooh, this looks shiny. I must admit having a taste for the stochastic.
Reading. Thank you!
Nope... drat. Clicking to request access to the document instead.
On Jun 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Max OrHai wrote:
> You might get a kick out of this toy model I made to demonstrate how a mesh
> (or "clo
I'm actually not talking about the potty mouths:)
APL is up there on my list now, but it hasn't knocked Prolog out of the top
slot.
I've done a bunch of test automation. I really enjoy testing because on a good
day it can approach something reminiscent of science, but OTOH the test code I
end
Thank you for your reply, comments inline.
On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Dale Schumacher wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Casey Ransberger
> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone taken the actor model down to the metal?
>
> If someone has, I would sure like to hear about it!
Looks write-only to me, but I haven't learned it. I've also heard that if you
really just want to get some math done, APL is as efficient keyboard-wise in
that domain as Perl is in the domains where Perl excels (like extracting
information from log files.) Perl is also regularly harangued for be
So I'm stumbling along happily playing with various ideas to do with minimal
microprocessor design (thanks for all of the wonderful pointers everyone) and
invariably my mind wanders from time to time to what I'd need to do to make it
fast.
I could try representing netlists as s-exprs and letti
,
which I thought I'd share in case anyone hadn't seen it. It's called the
"Wireworld Computer":
http://www.quinapalus.com/wi-index.html
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chips.com). I really wish more people designed whole
> systems, both hardware and software, these days.
>
> -- Max
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Casey Ransberger
> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've found myself with the first sizable chunk of free time I
Hello all,
I've found myself with the first sizable chunk of free time I've had in years.
I've been having so much fun! But I must admit, after a bunch of
hustle-your-butt software work, the software part isn't completely satisfying
me.
I miss taking apart computers. It's wonderful that they
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you have to "automate
the Pleistocene" in order to sell an album, does having the ability to sneak
a protest song through behind the pop single often justify the effort of the
dodge?
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proposed
> as an appropriate solution for recursive-descent parsers like PEGs.
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Oh cool! I've been meaning to check Slate out. I looked over the home page
once, but that's as far as I went. I'll have to install it and have a look
before I see you. I also really want to look at Marvin and NewSpeak.
I'm really pleased with the response I'm seeing. Thanks everyone! This is goi
over chai or beer
when my workaday is done, so come on out and shout.
The site is here:
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I'm not sure I grok what we mean by inter-module negotiation. Can anyone give
me some pointers to prior work? I will look at the paper that Mr. Zabroski
suggested.
On Apr 12, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
> Not a real theory yet but ..
>
> If both sides of the negotiation implemented ve
So if I wanted to translate a Java application to C# (which ought to be pretty
trivial, given the similarity,) what would I do about the libraries? Or the
native interfaces?
It seems like a lot of the semantics of modern (read: industrial 60s/70s tech)
programs really live in libraries written
hould look at beyond
the first couple pages of google results?
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Hope this isn't too far off topic.
It's Guitar Hero with real guitars.
Guitar Hero and its ilk always bugged me because people would really want me
play, but I would just want to say "can I just play an actual guitar instead?"
Not to mention that play-guitar is actually harder for me than (al
This video is fantastic! I'm going to take this with me to work:)
On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:39 AM, BGB wrote:
>
>
> Original Message
> Subject: Re: [fonc] Software and Motivation
> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:01:22 -0700
> From: BGB
> To: Fundamentals of New Computing
> C
I've been thinking a lot about why I like to code, and how that relates to the
fact that I will program for money. The programming for money part isn't nearly
as satisfying to me for some reason as some of the stuff I've been doing for
free.
I did the groundwork for a themes engine which went
Thanks for the clarification! I had a feeling you might comment on this one:)
On Jan 7, 1979, at 3:34 PM, "Jecel Assumpcao Jr." wrote:
> Casey Ransberger wrote:
>> Also inaccurate: in their slide deck, they call out that what they've
>> done is "more like a
Haha while we're sharing, I missed the interactivity of a Basic I used as a kid
(the REPL was also the editor,) which led me from Java to Obj-C (more dynamic,
but memory management sucked to worry about) to Perl and Ruby (dynamism with
UNIX integration, got my garbage collector back) then Lisp
s bad for being slightly off-topic! Though I've always thought of
emulation as a category of simulation: perhaps my thinking here is borked. self
break.
On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
> Inaccuracy: not X-rays. They decapitated the chip with hot sulfuric acid and
&g
Inaccuracy: not X-rays. They decapitated the chip with hot sulfuric acid and
took the photos using a couple of Nikon microscopes.
On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
> This is kind of cool. They took a 6502, X-rayed it, vectorized the
> photographs, and then used p
This is kind of cool. They took a 6502, X-rayed it, vectorized the photographs,
and then used polygon intersection to implement an emulator in JavaScript. I
haven't hears of anyone doing anything like that before. Made me think of the
FONC TCP/IP bootstrap in it's surprising straightforwardness
D'oh, I love touch screens. What I tried to say was that OF is mostly just
Forth, and I think that was what made it so lovely to work with.
It was nice to be able, for example, to interactively troubleshoot PPC based
Mac hardware using Open Firmware. I seem to be having some trouble articulatin
I think the secret sauce with OpenFirmware lies in
On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Andrew Gaylard wrote:
> John,
>
> [ warning: somewhat off-topic ]
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:19 PM, John Zabroski wrote:
>> Kind of a tangent, but something that has bugged me about the Alto and
>> pretty much e
They're bootstrapping a whole platform. It's an experimental platform. This
stuff takes time and sometimes there can get to be too many cooks in the
kitchen if you aren't careful. I didn't mean to start up a gimme-the-bits
thread: mea culpa. self break.
_
I finally got around to checking the writings page again. I know October was
a bit ago, but I just saw the STEPS report. Looks like there's been a lot of
progress! Any chance we'll see Frank walking around? Or maybe on YouTube? I
have extra torches if anyone needs them:)
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So I was in a heated debate with a good friend about Ometa. He pointed out,
inadvertently, that matters of syntax and grammar are only the easy part of the
problem.
Ometa, I think, is the most elegant language we've seen for binding
syntactic/grammatical constructs to semantics implemented in
Yes, WANT! :)
On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Max OrHai wrote:
> Would he be kind enough to post it somewhere the rest of us can use it?
>
> -- Max
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Sachin Desai wrote:
> Thanks Dan,
>
> Ted Kaehler was kind enough to send me a plugin which works with the ima
So if behavioral tests were a part of the fitness function in a genetic
programming environment, we could probably find a whole new *dimension* of test
methodology if we started with "mutation testing."
If you aren't familiar with mutation testing, I recommend googling on it; it's
the best thi
Thanks for your reply! Some comments below.
On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:50 PM, John Zabroski wrote:
> Casey,
>
> Let's cut this email you wrote into two ideas.
>
> it makes me wish I had some time to study prolog.
>
> Why don't you have time to study prolog? What does the word "study" even
> mea
The previous thread about testing got me thinking about this again. One of the
biggest problems I have in the large with getting developers to write tests is
the burden of maintaining the tests when the code changes.
I have this wacky idea that we need the tests more than the dev code; it makes
I think "type" is a foundationaly bad idea. What matters is that the object in
question can respond intelligently to the message you're passing it. Or at
least, that's what I think right now, anyway. It seems like type specification
(and as such, early binding) have a very limited real use in th
Whoa, okay. Have to ask. GCC has an intermediate representation that's
intentionally hard to work with, and you're saying that Stallman did this as a
"political blockade?"
I was under the impression that Clang got started up because some folks found
GCC to be too crufty, not too political. This
First, I'd like to apologize for my last message to this list. I had intended
to send it directly as a reply to Jecel's comments, but replied to the whole
list by accident. I wouldn't ordinarily waste bandwidth on idle griping like
that: mea culpa.
On to the topic of the subject line...
I've
On Jun 19, 2010, at 6:28 PM, "Jecel Assumpcao Jr." wrote:
> I had no idea that HyperCard ever ran on machines other than the classic
> Mac.
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Apple_II/
HyperCard and the operating system are still free
Apologies for the off-topic question, but does anyone know if the actual bits
for Sketchpad are still extant somewhere? Is there any documentation that
anyone has for the Lincoln TX-2? It'd sure be neat to emulate it.
Someone was asking me about object oriented programming with a head full of
J
tography". Despite the name it actually is
> helpful for abstracting the design of cryptographic algorithms.
>
> http://www.links.org/?p=864
>
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&g
Burning the disk packs with the midnight oil? Sounds like so much fun:)
On May 8, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
> Glad you are interested, but don't hold your breath. We've got quite a bit
> more to do this year.
>
> It's not an incremental project like many open source people are used
Interesting. I think of a system as something that's alive, whereas an
artifact sounds like something one digs up from the dirt, which was left
behind by some system, like a piece of pottery, or (in the context of
computing) a Smalltalk image file.
Am I far off?
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