That's a Golden Orb spider. We had a whole crop hatch out this summer, and
now have one grand dame living on our back portal. We feed her moths.
--Doug
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Robert J.
What about the brown recluse, which the furnace man worried about today as
he disappeared into our crawl space. Oh, I guess it doesn't live here? See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_recluse_spider#Distribution
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of
All great suggestions and timely since my library book is due back
tomorrow. I'll add a couple of other suggestions:
The English Patient (Ondaatje)
Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance (Persig) (not sure if this
counts as fiction)
A Glass Darkly (Philip K Dick)
On the Road (Kerouac)
Most of you are PhDs and respond to inquiries from the
non-science type to aspects of your field(s). So how about asking
a college in the English Lit or World Lit department?
Robert, you mentioned you are going to improve your literary
education, so the works will generally be older because
Brown recluses thrive in Santa Fe.
On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:23 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
What about the brown recluse, which the furnace man worried about
today as he disappeared into our crawl space. Oh, I guess it
doesn’t live here?
What? Nobody mentioned Proust, James Joyce or Woolf? (I'm not going to.)
Grant
Grant Holland
VP, Product Development and Software Engineering
NuTech Solutions
404.427.4759
On 10/8/2010 11:54 PM, Alison Jones wrote:
After 10 years of lurking something I can finally comment on.
In no
Somebody did mention To the Lighthouse, and I'd agree. I mentioned
admiring, without particularly liking (except in parts) Ulysses. The
Scott-Moncrieff translation of Remembrance of Things Past is heavy
weather; a later translation (sorry; it's on a high shelf) lets
Proust's humor show
Grant,
James Joyce has been mentioned twice, Woolf once... and your top 10 are?
but you're right about Proust.
Thanks
Robert C
On 10/9/10 8:31 AM, Grant Holland wrote:
What? Nobody mentioned Proust, James Joyce or Woolf? (I'm not going to.)
Grant
Grant Holland
VP, Product Development and
The situation so far... in case you are not keeping count:
Given some restrictions, like only accepting the first 10 mentioned by
anyone ... so far we have 73 submissions, 4 have been recommended 3
times, 9 have been recommended twice and the rest once. And just to
confirm that my literary
I'd add to Jack's criteria: 9) deep exploration of a particular culture
at a moment in time. Jonathan Franzen's Freedom. Hate to say it
because it's been so over-hyped, but it's that good, right up there with
Huck Finn and Jay Gatsby. I think it will 10) stand the test of time.
Merle
Oops...
I'll mention two. Far from great literature, but I still enjoy reading
it is Journey to Ixtlan - Carlos Castaneda. (I know it is advertised
as Sociology, but I regard it as Fantasy.)
Another great Fantasy (although held by most as mathematical logic) is
Kurt Godel's 1931 paper On
Grant -
Thanks for the reminder, I haven't visited Castenada since I was in my
twenties... perhaps he deserves a revisit. At the time I slogged
through several of his works because everyone was raving so much about
them (not unlike the ravings about Cormac's work)... they just came off
as
Saul -
I love (most of) your list. Great Ante.
I think you might mean A Scanner Darkly by Dick, but there appear to
be as many as 5 novels by the Title Through a Glass Darkly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_a_Glass_Darkly and then there is
Sheridan le Fanu's 1872 collection of Gothic
Stephen -
Good points all. Most of us went off on a my favorite reads jag with
only a minor interest in whether it was Literature by any nominal or
not-so-nominal standard.
It doesn't surprise me that most of us have a collective
double-standard. In our own fields of study/expertise we
Thanks, Steve. I've noticed that the breadth of you reading is
exceptional.
Grant Holland
VP, Product Development and Software Engineering
NuTech Solutions
404.427.4759
On 10/9/2010 10:45 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
Grant -
Thanks for the reminder, I haven't visited Castenada since I was in my
I make no claims about being among the 10 Best but here are a few selections
not previously mentioned.
Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut
Candide - Voltaire
Perhaps something by John Steinbeck? I guess the obvious is The Grapes of
Wrath but I hated it for some reason (perhaps because I grew up in
All -
10??? Oh, well . . .
When I was a kid, my parents installed this in the living room (you can still
sometimes find it in used book stores -- saw one a few years ago for $150,
missing Marx and Freud !). I learned a lot :-):
Here's some in random order.
The Age of Reason, Jean Paul Sartre
The Tale of Genji, Lady Murasaki
For Whom the Bell Tolls, Ernest Hemingway
The Beautiful and Damned, F. Scott Fitzgerald
Pride and Prejudice, Jane Austen
Cervantes, Don Quixote
The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Victor Hugo
Labyrinths,
On 10/9/10 11:10 AM, Grant Holland wrote:
Thanks, Steve. I've noticed that the breadth of you reading is
exceptional.
And that is just the stuff I'm willing to admit to on-list I'll save
the really juicy stuff for another forum.
Most places I'm askeered to admit to reading Russel and
Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Thank you for mentioning Richard Powers. And don't forget Powers' The
Time of Our Singing, an extraordinary imaginative leap into the
complexities of racial identity.
Tom Carter wrote:
All -
10??? Oh, well . . .
When I was a kid, my parents installed this in
Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Have I missed something? I don't recall having seen anything by Philip
Roth on anyone's list. And now that I think about it, I've been musing
for some time about the dearth of neurotic Jewish intellectuals in
Friam--especially noteworthy given our Complexity
and even us lurkers
(10 !? can't even begin to get it down to ten, thus the absence of
presence)
are getting a kick
and
learning a lot
from this all...
Tory
On Oct 9, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
On 10/9/10 11:10 AM, Grant Holland wrote:
Thanks, Steve. I've noticed that the
Well, Merle: I'm a neurotic Jewish Intellectual: I just don't happen to be
Jewish.
Nick
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Of Merle Lefkoff
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:29 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Have I missed something? I don't recall having seen anything by
Philip Roth on anyone's list. And now that I think about it, I've
been musing for some time about the dearth of neurotic Jewish
intellectuals in
When I hear someone say I never read fiction, I'm a little saddened.
It comes to my ears like I never look at art. When one starts
getting all hairy-chested about the greater value of non-fiction over
make-believe, please be reminded of the books you pull off your shelf
to make room for
Tom,
You wrote
This semester, in a class I am teaching, we're reading (among other
things, including Pandora's Hope by Bruno Latour).
Can you say a bit more about the context in which you are reading these
things?
Nick
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com
Hi, I get to claim both lurkership and newbie-ship here, and have enjoyed this
thread.
This is an interesting idea, Pamela, that literature has endured, more than
non-fiction. It feels intuitively true as we look back on various canon(s).
It does all sorts of
I come from the opposite
Steve:
There are so many good suggestions I despair of finding the
Classic Comics version of all these books - that's the only way
I will get through them all. (An HS teacher said when you get to college,
read the first and last 2 chapters then read the classic comic for the
middle
- its
Thanks for the Yeats, Robert. He's one of my favorites, and was even
before I knew there was a tenuous family connection.
P.
On Oct 9, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Stephen Thompson wrote:
Steve:
There are so many good suggestions I despair of finding the
Classic Comics version of all these books -
Nick -
I teach a Junior level course for our Honors Program. Our program is open to
students from all majors, so my audience in the class comes from everywhere
-- majors of students in the class this Fall range across Art, English,
History, Math, Biology, Business, Teacher Prep, Psychology,
Pamela, thank you for the inquiry into fiction. How does it work? Why does it
move us? Ahhh...the liberation conferred by the art of the storyteller and
imagination!An additional offering to enhance the joy of reading: Ayn Rand's
colorful lectures The Art of Fiction.Julia
From:
On 10/9/10 1:27 PM, Victoria Hughes wrote:
and even us lurkers
(10 !? can't even begin to get it down to ten, thus the absence of
presence)
are getting a kick
and
learning a lot
from this all...
And no fair submitting 10 (only 10?) Terry Pratchett Novels... though I
think I have a couple of
Robert,
I hope you are going to compile the list when this is all over.
Perhaps you could gin up a reading group for the City University of Santa Fe
Spring Coffee House Seminars. Do we know anybody with a PhD in English who
would lead us?
Nick
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From:
Pamela -
When I hear someone say I never read fiction, I'm a little saddened.
It comes to my ears like I never look at art. When one starts
getting all hairy-chested about the greater value of non-fiction over
make-believe, please be reminded of the books you pull off your shelf
to make room
Steph T.
For scifi, my Fahrenheit451 book is Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny
I'll see your Lord and raise you a Jack (of Shadows)... Zelazny (our
own hometown boy) was awesome... I miss him. And his works.
FRIAM Applied
On 9 Oct 2010 at 16:04, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Perhaps you could gin up a reading group for the City University of Santa Fe
Spring Coffee House Seminars. Do we know anybody with a PhD in English who
would lead us?
I know that, being unacquainted as I am with the CVs
of the Friends and
Lee -
/Why would you want to ask a PhD in English to lead
you? Ph.D.s in English are to the joy of reading
fiction or poetry as firefighters are to fires./
I think I understand Nick's need for a PhD-person... (something about
establishing credibility in the whole City College
And I (also) say Why English, why not World Literature or something
more expansive... and for the benefit of the women on this list... why
do we (mostly) read the words of dead white men? Really? Without
going all feminist, I'd really like to have more submissions here of
women
Pamela Steve:
Winging their way to me via the magic of the Internet
and Amazon Books are three books: two recommended here:
1. James Woods How Fiction Works
2. Zelazny's Jack of Shadows
and one recommended by a reviewer of Wood's book (not a happy review)
Percy Lubbock's The Craft of
On Oct 9, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
Pamela -
When I hear someone say I never read fiction, I'm a little
saddened. It comes to my ears like I never look at art. When one
starts getting all hairy-chested about the greater value of non-
fiction over make-believe, please be
I read Lubbock many years ago, and he's got much good to say, as does
E. M. Forster on the novel, and even, if I recall right, Henry James.
But I prefer Wood. Your mileage may vary.
Menand's The Metaphysical Club is good stuff too, but dense, I agree.
P.
On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:29 PM,
Pamela -
Great reference... thanks! A couple of Trollopes! I'll mention it to
my wife, she probably has a copy somewhere or will find one within a
week (really, she is *that good*) ...
Sigh. Not much of an option in Manhattan. You've gotta discard.
Especially when you calculate what
On Oct 9, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Leigh Fanning wrote:
And I (also) say Why English, why not World Literature or something
more expansive... and for the benefit of the women on this list...
why
do we (mostly) read the words of dead white men? Really? Without
going all feminist, I'd really like
Greetings, all --
Great to see all the suggestions and conversations around them. One author with
a Santa Fe (and perhaps an SFI) connection not yet mentioned, I believe, is
Douglas Noel Adams (DNA). I'd recommend the Adams translation of The
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
As to creating a
1. A Course in Miracles, J. Christ, 1975 -- JC through Helen Schucman,
Columbia University Medical Center research psychologist, in 1965-1972, the
foundation for post-Christian Christianity -- as a willing victim of this
relentless subversion of all concepts since August, 1977, I never tire of
Steve Smith and Lee Rudolph, and everybody,
Why would I want a PhD to lead a discussion on Literature?
Because, even though I was a participant in the Berkeley dustup of the
sixties, I still think that expertise has its place in the world. As those
of you who have participated in one of
Don't forget Sound and Sense by Laurence Perrine.
Grant Holland
VP, Product Development and Software Engineering
NuTech Solutions
404.427.4759
On 10/9/2010 6:29 PM, Stephen Thompson wrote:
Pamela Steve:
Winging their way to me via the magic of the Internet
and Amazon Books are three
Clairborne,
I absolutely agree with the restraint shown by tutors at St. Johns in
leading discussions, but almost every tutor at St Johns has a phd in
something and, in addition, has spent more or less of a professional life
time reading and discussing Those Books.
The effect of a few
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