Re: [gentoo-user] thin-provisioning-tools - but I don't provision anything!!!!!

lready established lvm2 uses it, you can consult its documentation (usually found from HOMEPAGE) and get an idea for what it is. Some terminology is understood differently in specialized scenarios, so the only way to learn it is to read it. A Web search for 'lvm thin provisioning' turned up results

Re: [gentoo-user] remove gnome/systemd

doesn't mean INSTALL_MASK is always a bad idea; it's simply meant to be used by people who are fully aware of its effects. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer, Trustee, Treasurer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

is for support *and* general talk. https://gentoo.org/get-involved/mailing-lists/ -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer, Trustee, Treasurer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

ecause "this is better for you". Based on what I've read so far, Moonchild is up front about any breakage, and warns about unsupported compilers or settings. One of our regulars (Walter Dnes) helps maintain PM for us, too, so that's even better. :) But to be fair, I'll try it out

Re: [gentoo-user] systemD?

ferred init, and systemd will be removed on the next depclean (if present and not in a set somewhere like @world). [1]: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd [2]: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Zlg/Drafts/Gentoo_without_systemd -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer, Trustee,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: maim screenshooting

On 08/01/2017 10:00 AM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-08-01 03:00, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> # Add '-s' to interactively set the window to be captured. >> screenie() { >> local curdir=$(pwd) >> local shotname=$(date +%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M).png >> ec

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: maim screenshooting

-q 70 "$shotname" ${@} echo "Screen taken! Find it under ~/img/screens/comp." cd $curdir } (now that I'm looking at it, it could use a spruce up to use pushd/popd instead of storing the starting dir in a variable...) -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP

Re: [gentoo-user] To install a testing version of a package on a stable OS installation.

un `quickpkg` on the packages that you care about not breaking, especially anything close to the toolchain. Be sure to read the manual first, as usual. :P * Double-check to make sure the binary packages are available. They'll be in $PKGDIR, defined in /etc/portage/make.conf. * Run your eme

Re: [gentoo-user] Restricting git downloading the whole server farm and yet some

e is all you'll need. Check /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords and its manpage for more info. If you need the live ebuild, Rasmus's suggestion will work fine. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Wow, the GTK3 file browser is awful!

to make that happen. It's also stupid simple to put a "gopher hole" together, since it's just basic I/O. Even servers can be put together in ~100 lines of bash. It's a breath of fresh air compared to working with the Web, imo. (usual disclaimer that my views don't represent Gentoo'

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How do I turn off text console screen in software?

probe the environment the script is running in so that only the relevant command gets run; unless of course you really do want everything off at once regardless of whether X is running.. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: htop wants cgroups

with my CPU. Someone with an Intel CPU might really want that warning message, though. I've not dabbled in cgroups but they seem very useful to those who need to manage processes in ways the kernel itself can enforce. Cgroups merely help htop do its job. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] How do you manage manually compiled software?

> +1 for this. Even if it's a somewhat amateur ebuild, at least Portage can manage it. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Difficulty setting up apache, php and joomla

://getpelican.com [2]: http://php-fig.org -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6

Re: [gentoo-user] invitation to gentobb project

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 08:56:00PM +, Ural wrote: > Hello guys. I am sorry about a bit of offtopic, but if everyone is > interested, I am inviting anyone into > https://github.com/edannenberg/gentoo-bb project discussion thread here: > https://github.com/edannenberg/gentoo-bb/issues/102, where

Re: [gentoo-user] The final of free software

tanota.com > Damn what drugs are you on man. > I have no clue but I kinda want some now. This could be a good (read: so bad it's good) movie. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] New box

, the 'slit' USE flag will allow for a sort of "dock" you can put programs into 'dockapp' mode. I believe gkrellm can be made to fit into the slit, which you can configure in a number of ways. If gkrellm can send its own hints to the WM, that's probably better though. -- Daniel Campbell -

Re: [gentoo-user] multiple monitor video resolution problem

luxbox needs it to handle multi-monitor. That might be the missing piece of the puzzle. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Pale Moon Air-Gapped portage EAPI 6 Install WAS: [Logging] SSL with PM

only the > last one (palemoon-27.0.3-r6.ebuild) worked, and I actually started this > email with how that ebuild installed palemoon in my Air-Gapped machine. > > If I show to have forgot any details (which I tried not to), I'll post them in > another reply to this thread. > > ( Ah, the

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 07:56:29PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 21.12.2016 um 14:03 schrieb Rich Freeman: > > I don't agree that you are "forced" > > to use systemd. Maybe you might be forced to use a different browser > > or fork your browser or patch it or stick with an old version and > >

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 07:53:51AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Daniel Campbell <z...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > On 12/20/2016 06:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> We don't have some > >> committee on high pick a winner and tell all t

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:06:00PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 21/12/2016 21:51, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:20 PM, wrote: > >> > >>> The following USE changes are

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 02:04:05PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:44 PM, wrote: > > Corbin Bird [16-12-21 17:12]: > > The first run of emerge tells me to add the systemd USE flag to dbus. > > I did that and ran into to

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

es making decisions on packaging guidelines. That's not the same as choosing a single package and telling every one to scram, but we're not hands-off, either. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/18/2016 07:16 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:23 AM, Daniel Campbell <z...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> >> Thankfully the kernel seems to have sane management; as long as Linus is >> around, anyway. Just recently AMD had some of their code rejected, s

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

On 12/17/2016 11:45 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Daniel Campbell <z...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> On 12/17/2016 12:53 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: >>>> >>>> Aga

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

ix for this is to get to a post-industrial and post-labor world, where people aren't forced to work to survive. There's no telling how long that will take, however, as those with money naturally want to maintain their powerful position in society. That change won't come peacefully, and unfortunately

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On December 17, 2016 11:10:04 AM PST, Walter Dnes wrote: > A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're >working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly >to ffmpeg and libav.

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

because you wanted to improve or correct it (Linus and BitKeeper, for the uninitiated))) Just consider the source of all the 'innovations' coming down the pike, and ask yourself why they wrote that software. I think that's solid advice no matter what your opinion of corporations is. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Pulseaudio now needs USE="gnome"?

run as a user and keep track of file/sound settings. The KDE team can likely explain *why* this change happened, though you might want to check the homepage for plasma-pa first. The KDE team can be reached via the mail alias (kde@g.o) or on Freenode via #gentoo-kde. I hope this helps clear things up for you. ~zlg -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 49.0 & Youtube....Video: Yes - Audio: No...

rote: >> Hi Daniel! >> > ... >> On 161120-00:10-0800, Daniel Campbell wrote: >>> On 11/19/2016 01:59 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >>>> On 161119-10:22+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ... > > It took me such long time, well, yes, because ALSA had advance

Re: [gentoo-user] QEMU virtio_gpu

> > > > 'bindist' is short for "binary distribution"; some code (mostly microcode, firmware, GPU drivers, multimedia codecs) is copyright- or patent-encumbered, meaning that you can't legally distribute some pieces of software in binary (compiled) form. The 'bindist' USE fl

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: elog default lifespan

etc/logrotate.d/elog-save-summary, so if you find a file like that, it's a good place to start. Without logrotate handling it, I see no reason to believe Portage will nix elog output after 7 days. In case I've missed something, could you link to the page that mentions 7 days? I searched throug

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 49.0 & Youtube....Video: Yes - Audio: No...

On 11/19/2016 01:59 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 161119-10:22+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >> On 161119-00:33-0800, Daniel Campbell wrote: > ... >>>> And there is a question/query/my-asking-for-advice further below. > ... >>>>>> If jackd is to

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 49.0 & Youtube....Video: Yes - Audio: No...

defaults.ctl.card x; defaults.pcm.card x; Replace 'x' with the numeric index of your card (which you can view in alsamixer using F6). If the order of your cards changes on boot, you'll need to tell the module controlling your sound (snd_hda_intel is common) to set its index in a file like /etc/mod

Re: [gentoo-user] showing files in numerical order

> > -- Emanuele Rusconi > I second the vidir recommendation. I can't tell you how many times it's made batch renaming easy, powerful, and intuitive for me. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1E

Re: [gentoo-user] Possible heads up: Digest verification failed

On 10/29/2016 03:11 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 5:42 AM, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 23:53:03 -0700, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> >>>> Anyone seeing this again? I've just sync'd to two servers in >&

Re: [gentoo-user] Possible heads up: Digest verification failed

k about it? I'm not involved with our mirrors, and I sync directly from git, so I can't really help on that front, but it seems to me that it's a simple oversight that is sure to be fixed once someone knows about it. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg

[gentoo-user] Small computing recommendations?

dless and I just use SSH or an Adafruit LCD. Any opinions or use cases and stories would be much appreciated. I would prefer running Gentoo on it, but Debian, Mint, or Slackware would be tolerable. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064

Re: [gentoo-user] Skype users

ifferences. Does MS have plans to force classic Skype to be obsolete? I hope not... -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Infrastructure?

bugs. You might want to check out a few pages on the wiki regarding how we handle contributions, or pop in #gentoo-proxy-maint on Freenode. [1] https://gentoo.org/get-started/philosophy/social-contract.html -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03

Re: [gentoo-user] removal of bopm before hopm is in tree

n that replacement packages get added to the tree before > their obsolete predecessors get pmasked for booting out. > > And if that's not the case, should it be? That's a good question, best answered by the developer who chose to have the package removed. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Develo

Re: [gentoo-user] Keep alive within SSH session

ully the >> learning curve won't be too steep. ;-) > > You may also wanna try the ServerAliveInterval option in your client's > ssh config. It sends some keepalive data to the server every X seconds, > sounds like what you need. > Please let me know if you have any issue

Re: [gentoo-user] Call for opinions and/or use cases regarding games.eclass

On 07/01/2016 12:34 PM, Terry Z. wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Daniel Campbell <z...@gentoo.org > <mailto:z...@gentoo.org>> wrote: > > Most of us know about the games.eclass history. Let's put that aside; > I'm looking for user consensus on packag

[gentoo-user] Call for opinions and/or use cases regarding games.eclass

decisions without concrete evidence, so please answer and speak for your use case. This will serve as a public record of interest, and might even inspire a few people. :) Thanks for your time, ~zlg -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/21/2014 07:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF, however, he worked for Novell, another for-profit Linux company. Good god, is that the best you can do? What is your

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/21/2014 07:43 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-02-21 8:34 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 02/21/2014 07:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF, however, he worked

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote: On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: The social tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish methodology. I certainly share

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote: On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: The social tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat projects

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/20/2014 08:53 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote: On 02

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/19/2014 03:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:04:14 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: Or to create a non-systemd profile :) For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen as the default. Quite

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/19/2014 04:50 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:34:35 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: How is putting systemd setting in a profile that a user has to consciously choose to use forcing anything on anyone? Profiles

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask to respect mine as well. That's why

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/17/2014 06:17 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Thanks to all who chimed in... On 2014-02-16 3:27 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] You may have lost it in the link that Volker posted (thanks Volker), but

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/15/2014 11:32 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Feb 15, 2014 11:02 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2014-02-15 10:16 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Hi all, Not to revive a flame-fest

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

On 02/15/2014 02:32 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 15 Feb 2014 17:32:44 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Feb 15, 2014 11:02 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2014-02-15 10:16 AM, Tanstaafl

Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev

On 02/04/2014 01:58 PM, Joseph wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Flash+nspluginwrapper versus Gnash comparisons?

On 10/31/2013 10:15 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm getting rather annoyed with Firefox. I don't want to get into that flamewar right now. I'm trying to migrate to UZBL. The latest git version is a lot better than the stale stable version. The uzbl- ebuild is broken (yes, I've filed a

Re: [gentoo-user] re: resolving blocked packages [media-video/ffmpeg-1.2:0]

On 10/27/2013 12:08 PM, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: As I ran 'emerge --ask --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --newuse world', I got the message below. These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] dev-scheme/guile-1.8.8-r1

Re: [gentoo-user] re: resolving blocked packages [media-video/ffmpeg-1.2:0]

On 11/02/2013 06:07 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 02/11/2013 12:49, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/27/2013 12:08 PM, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: As I ran 'emerge --ask --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --newuse world', I got the message below. These are the packages that would be merged, in order

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/02/2013 07:04 AM, hasufell wrote: Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? * do you really have a problem with running revdep-rebuild/haskell-updater/perl-cleaner etc

Re: [gentoo-user] re: resolving blocked packages [media-video/ffmpeg-1.2:0]

On 11/02/2013 02:06 PM, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On 11/02/2013 05:29 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 11/02/2013 06:07 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 02/11/2013 12:49, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/27/2013 12:08 PM, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: As I ran 'emerge --ask --update --deep --with-bdeps=y

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/23/2013 05:51 PM, Steven J. Long wrote: Daniel Campbell wrote: Do you know the design consequences of opt-in versus opt-out? I'll keep this short: When evolving a codebase, new behavior for core parts of the system should not be pushed or forced on users. If you must, keep the old

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/21/2013 03:33 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 13:18, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 06:02 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel-cgroups-redesign Not sure if I read that just right

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/20/2013 02:37 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 09:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/20/2013 04:55 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 12:24, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/20/2013 02:37 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 20/10/13 09:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 10/19/2013 06:35 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 19.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/17/2013

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell: hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux kernel, userland, graphics... if you 'don't trust them' you are pretty much 20 years too late. Investing money does not make

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/20/2013 06:02 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell: On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell: hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux kernel, userland, graphics

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/20/2013 09:34 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 05:03:51PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote That's a bridge we will cross when there is a bridge to be crossed, but from top of my head: We will maintain a minimal patchset that reverts the offending code. As in, that's nothing

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel-cgroups-redesign Not sure if I read that just right... but since nobody is doing cgroup management besides systemd, in practice the cgroups

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 10/11/2013 09:21 PM, walt wrote: On 10/11/2013 01:42 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: I don't like systemd, Sorry if my memory is failing (it surely is) but I don't recall any explanation from you describing your dissatisfaction with systemd. The three happiest months of my life were spent

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 09/30/2013 04:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/09/2013 01:31, Daniel Campbell wrote: Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate /usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat interesting to me. /usr stores some pretty important data

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/28/2013 09:04 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 28/09/2013 13:32, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: No really,*why exactly*? Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 09/28/2013 12:31 PM, Dale wrote: William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 07:32:20PM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:57:06PM -0500, Dale wrote: Bruce Hill wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm hoping that since I use eudev, I don't have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On 09/29/2013 01:55 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:55:49PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-09-28 6:36 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: So this brings us back to the essential technical problem that still needs to be solved on your machines: /usr needs to

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/29/2013 02:52 PM, William Hubbs wrote: All, I can clarify one part of the systemd issue, because I have been involved in this part of the issue for months. Again, I am not trying to start a dispute here, just providing a clarification.

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On 09/29/2013 08:17 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On 09/29/2013 08:40 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On 09/29/2013 08:51 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: It's fairly obvious (to me, anyway) that anything mounting a filesystem and making it available is system-critical. I run samba and don't need it for boot, but like you

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On 09/29/2013 09:05 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: Anyway, I'm not in favor of FHS _per se_, but it sounds pretty reasonable to have some semblance of order among where different parts of a system go. Shoving everything

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

On 09/29/2013 09:03 PM, Greg Woodbury wrote: One of the most obvious things that broke booting with a seperate /usr is not GNOMEs fault, but GRUB 2's fault. the move of /bin to /usr/bin (for things like cp,mv,ln,ls) came after the breakage of /usr, but is symptomatic of some distros cavalier

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

On 09/29/2013 09:25 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 09/29/2013 08:51 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: It's fairly obvious (to me, anyway

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/29/2013 10:13 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 09:21:01PM -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote: /usr/lib/udev. /usr/lib/systemd. were both placed in /usr despite objections from a number of folks. So claims that udev

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

On 08/19/2013 12:52 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:54 AM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2013-08-18 23:08, Mick wrote: I honestly cannot understand why we/Gentoo are allowing the RHL monolithic development philosophy to break what we have. Is Poettering the only

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

On 08/18/2013 03:53 AM, Alessio Ababilov wrote: 2013/8/18 Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us mailto:li...@sporkbox.us On 08/17/2013 02:26 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Andreas Eder andreas_e...@gmx.net mailto:andreas_e...@gmx.net wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

On 08/18/2013 09:39 PM, microcai wrote: 在 2013-8-19 上午5:55，pk pete...@coolmail.se mailto:pete...@coolmail.se写道： On 2013-08-18 23:08, Mick wrote: I honestly cannot understand why we/Gentoo are allowing the RHL monolithic development philosophy to break what we have. Is Poettering the

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

, it doesn't introduce any _obvious_ problems to Gentoo. 2013/8/16 Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us mailto:li...@sporkbox.us Red Hat is only upstream for GNOME and systemd. What they choose to do with their distro should not affect the choices of any other distro. I see no reason

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

On 08/17/2013 02:26 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Andreas Eder andreas_e...@gmx.net wrote: On 17 Aug 2013, the guard wrote: But requiring people to have an initramfs to boot a system that doesn't legitimately require it is silly. I don't even have /usr mounted

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

On 08/13/2013 01:08 PM, Alessio Ababilov wrote: 2013/8/13 the the.gu...@mail.ru mailto:the.gu...@mail.ru The site doesn't describe any real problems. Well, it is a question to discuss. I am not going to begin a holy war, I would like just to provide a possibility to perform a

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

On 08/05/2013 05:12 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: On 08/04/2013 11:56 AM, Dale wrote: Anthony G. Basile wrote: I have refrained from flamewars, but I want to reassure people, eudev will not be dropped. I noticed the other day, posted on this thread by the way, that it left beta too. I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

On 07/31/2013 02:05 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 1/08/2013 04:34, Michael Orlitzky wrote: It seems a little rude to pop in, address them personally, and ask them each if they'd devote months of their time towards mentoring me. (Doing so can pressure someone into agreeing to something he

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

On 07/30/2013 05:40 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his co-maintainer added a systemd unit to the package: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/85792

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is so AWESOME

On 07/30/2013 01:16 PM, hasufell wrote: And we need MOAR devs http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=2 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs so awesome! srsly! What many people don't seem to get is: you don't need to be a commit

Re: [gentoo-user] java vs icedtea6

On 01/15/2013 11:32 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Wednesday 16 January 2013 10:32:11 AM IST, Kevin Brandstatter wrote: I'm curious as well about the potential exploitability of icedtea. I would think that since the icedtea vm is not the same as the sun/oracle one and so I don't think the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev-197 moves from /usr/lib to /lib

On 01/11/2013 09:14 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 11/01/13 16:04, walt wrote: This seems to me like very happy news indeed, but I'm interested in contrary opinions. There's a recent thread discussing how udev-197 breaks lvm2, but that's a trivial fix once you know about it. The problem