Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-26 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/25/2011 8:04 AM, Dale wrote: We restructured the dependency chain for fortran support, which includes a compile test now. The failure can be seen above. The Problem was in short, USE=fortran was enabled by default for linux arches, but people tend to disable it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-26 Thread Dale
William Kenworthy wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 14:45 -0500, Dale wrote: What I like is the speed it got corrected. People that don't sync often most likely didn't even know it ever changed. ... I got bit, on a 6 monthly major update across multiple systems - what were the odds of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-26 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 25 June 2011 20:12:00 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Try euse -I fortran. If anything besides gcc pops up, you should have one. Nope. -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-26 Thread Dale
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 14:58:56 schrieb Peter Humphrey: Whether many operations are written in Fortran is immaterial. What matters to me is whether any on my system are. If they aren't, I don't need a Fortran compiler and I'd rather not waste system

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011, 10:28:47 schrieb Dale: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 14:58:56 schrieb Peter Humphrey: Whether many operations are written in Fortran is immaterial. What matters to me is whether any on my system are. If they aren't, I don't need a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-26 Thread Dale
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011, 10:28:47 schrieb Dale: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 14:58:56 schrieb Peter Humphrey: Whether many operations are written in Fortran is immaterial. What matters to me is whether any on my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-26 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011, 15:01:19 schrieb Dale: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011, 10:28:47 schrieb Dale: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 14:58:56 schrieb Peter Humphrey: Whether many operations are written in Fortran is immaterial. What

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-26 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/26/2011 4:01 PM, Dale wrote: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011, 10:28:47 schrieb Dale: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Try euse -I fortran. If anything besides gcc pops up, you should have one. That doesn't appear to work like it should then. I get this:

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/24/2011 10:18 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:29:12 -0500, Dale wrote: I guess my first post was correct after all. Enable fortran USE flag and keep things as it was before it got changed. It was working fine. Isn't that flag enabled by default? All you have yo do is not disable it. You seem to have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:29:12 -0500, Dale wrote: I guess my first post was correct after all. Enable fortran USE flag and keep things as it was before it got changed. It was working fine. Isn't that flag enabled by default? All you have yo do is not disable

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread justin
justin That make sense? Dale :-) :-) Hi, as most of you do not like to have fortran enabled by default, we tried to find a way around. We created a virtual/fortran which should depend on a working fortran compiler so that only ebuilds which need fortran compiler will build

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 25 June 2011 13:46:35 justin wrote: I wasn't aware that there is no hierarchy in the dependencies in an ebuild and portage will choose a solution w/o a USE change first. That is the reason why many of you saw that ifc should be installed, instead of gcc with USE=fortran. That was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 25 June 2011 14:46:35 justin did opine thusly: justin That make sense? Dale :-) :-) Hi, as most of you do not like to have fortran enabled by default, we tried to find a way around. We created a virtual/fortran which should depend on a working fortran compiler

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 14:58:56 schrieb Peter Humphrey: Whether many operations are written in Fortran is immaterial. What matters to me is whether any on my system are. If they aren't, I don't need a Fortran compiler and I'd rather not waste system resources on building one. Try euse -I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Feedback from the consumer end of the producer-consumer link :-) The motivation is fine and well, it didn't quite work out, we call this a bug. The only real mistake was trying to slipstream it in without notification or warning. devs all agree we should never do this,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Mick
On Saturday 25 Jun 2011 20:45:58 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Feedback from the consumer end of the producer-consumer link :-) The motivation is fine and well, it didn't quite work out, we call this a bug. The only real mistake was trying to slipstream it in without

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/25/2011 8:04 AM, Dale wrote: We restructured the dependency chain for fortran support, which includes a compile test now. The failure can be seen above. The Problem was in short, USE=fortran was enabled by default for linux arches, but people tend to disable it. Depending on gcc[fortran]

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-25 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 14:45 -0500, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Feedback from the consumer end of the producer-consumer link :-) The motivation is fine and well, it didn't quite work out, we call this a bug. The only real mistake was trying to slipstream it in without

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 17:23:44 Mark Knecht wrote: When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose) the KDE profile has included it as a default. So it seems. I've just tried

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Indi
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 22:47:54 Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:54:03 Alan McKinnon wrote: I was seriously considering importing a single seater heli kit, they are classed

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a thing. Watch the elog messages. It will tell you at

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:18:23 +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?: Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Dale
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a thing. Watch the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 15:00:32 schrieb Dale: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Dale
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: cantor uses R as default backend. R uses fortran. And yes, that's because of its speed, when it comes to mathematics and numerics. Michael I put it back like it was. Heck, if I don't, something else will need it later on and portage will puke on my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:52:44 -0500, Dale wrote: I guess my first post was correct after all. Enable fortran USE flag and keep things as it was before it got changed. It was working fine. Isn't that flag enabled by default? All you have yo do is not disable it. -- Neil Bothwick

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-24 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:52:44 -0500, Dale wrote: I guess my first post was correct after all. Enable fortran USE flag and keep things as it was before it got changed. It was working fine. Isn't that flag enabled by default? All you have yo do is not disable it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:03:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So why are you installing it, and all its dependencies, on the one hand, and complaining about bloat on the other? Surely installing stuff you don't need is the very definition of bloat. But it installed stuff either way. Instread of ABD, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:03:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So why are you installing it, and all its dependencies, on the one hand, and complaining about bloat on the other? Surely installing stuff you don't need is the very definition of bloat. But it installed

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:49:45 -0500, Dale wrote: My question was why are you installing cantor if you don't need it? Oh, I see. It was pulled in by kde-meta. I know I can have KDE other ways but it is much easier to emerge kde-meta than to emerge some huge amount of packages . If you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Todd Goodman
* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [110622 17:40]: Todd Goodman wrote: * Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com [110622 14:45]: When I did that, it complained that cantor was built with no backend. Did you get the same thing? It said this here: WARN (postinst) You have decided to build cantor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Todd Goodman
* Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [110622 18:59]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that if they see me on a plane, close the lid on my coffin. That's the only way I would get on a plane. You haven't lived

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Todd Goodman
* Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [110622 20:37]: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:55:10 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Helicopters are reserved for those with a death wish Unless the helicopter is an air ambulance, not that what I was doing to require an air ambulance in the first place was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Indi
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:06:09AM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote: * Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [110622 18:59]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that if they see me on a plane, close the lid on my coffin. That's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Todd Goodman wrote: * Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk [110622 20:37]: It seemed ironic that a recent training helicopter crash near here resulted in the survivor being taken off in an air ambulance helicopter. Though most of those I know of are twin engine turbines so chances are good

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:49:45 -0500, Dale wrote: My question was why are you installing cantor if you don't need it? Oh, I see. It was pulled in by kde-meta. I know I can have KDE other ways but it is much easier to emerge kde-meta than to emerge some

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Indi
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 02:10:34PM -0500, Dale wrote: I saw a guy on a TV interview once. He said the only way a helicopter can fly is by brute force. A airplane wants to fly but a helicopter just wants to crash. He said that can be proven by taking your hands off the controls. Down

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 13:09:53 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:49:45 -0500, Dale wrote: My question was why are you installing cantor if you don't need it? Oh, I see. It was pulled in by kde-meta. I know I can have KDE other ways but it is much easier to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 09:09:17 Indi did opine thusly: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:06:09AM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote: * Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [110622 18:59]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 01:12:55 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:55:10 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Helicopters are reserved for those with a death wish Unless the helicopter is an air ambulance, not that what I was doing to require an air ambulance in the first place

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:45:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you consider spending a couple of days farting around with fortran to be much easier... :P I use sets for this. I want KDE but not all of it, so I have a set with just the -meta packages I want: I do similar, except I'm even

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 21:35:21 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:45:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you consider spending a couple of days farting around with fortran to be much easier... :P I use sets for this. I want KDE but not all of it, so I have a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 18:46:55 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:54:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Use a directory for package.use, it makes it far easier to manage. All of /etc/portage/package.* are directories here. I have done that for package.keywords and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 17:23:44 Mark Knecht wrote: When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose) the KDE profile has included it as a default. So it seems. I've just tried USE=-fortran emerge -upDvN world and the only thing that would be remerged because of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/23/2011 1:04 AM, Dale wrote: Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/22/2011 2:35 PM, Dale wrote: You have decided to build cantor with no backend. To have this application functional, please do one of below: # emerge -va1 '='kde-base/cantor-4.6.4 with 'R' USE flag enabled # emerge -vaDu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:54:03 Alan McKinnon wrote: I was seriously considering importing a single seater heli kit, they are classed as ultralights and do not need a pilot's license. But there's an obscure clause in the rules that states ultralights cannot be flown within 50m of a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:06:28 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I do similar, except I'm even more of a control freak than you, so my kde4 set contains onl;y a couple of meta-packages, the rest it individual packages. % wc -l /etc/portage/sets/kde4 83 /etc/portage/sets/kde4 Sad, I know

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:27:53 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: So is giving the files sensible names :) That was what I liked about autounmask, the tree version not the portage one. It gave them some names at least. Still felt like looking for a needle in a haystack sometimes tho.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 23:34:17 Mike Edenfield wrote: Odds are one of your 1.5quadrillion USE flags is pulling in FORTRAN when you don't even need it. It may not be. I have only four USE flags in make.conf, and still I have the same fortran requirement as Dale. -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 17:23:44 Mark Knecht wrote: When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose) the KDE profile has included it as a default. So it seems. I've just tried USE=-fortran emerge -upDvN world and the only thing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 14:25:21 Indi wrote: IMO the USE line in make.conf really should only contain the universal stuff you can't live without, specifying everything else on a per package basis is what makes it possible to run a system which is at once full-featured and lean. My method

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/23/2011 1:04 AM, Dale wrote: Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/22/2011 2:35 PM, Dale wrote: You have decided to build cantor with no backend. To have this application functional, please do one of below: # emerge -va1 '='kde-base/cantor-4.6.4

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 22:47:54 Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:54:03 Alan McKinnon wrote: I was seriously considering importing a single seater heli kit, they are classed as ultralights and do not need a pilot's license. But there's an obscure clause in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 23 June 2011 22:57:16 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:27:53 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: So is giving the files sensible names :) That was what I liked about autounmask, the tree version not the portage one. It gave them some names at least. Still felt like

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 23 June 2011 23:41:04 Alan McKinnon wrote: I could just two birds one stone: http://www.hover-bike.com/ Hmm. I'd like to see one more figure: dBA! -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 07:13:46AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.keywords. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.mask. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.unmask.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:01:30 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: 1) what's the difference between package.keywords and package.accept_keywords? The latter is the new name for the former. -- Neil Bothwick Last words of a Windows user: = Why does that work now? signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 01:15:04PM -0500, Dale wrote Todd Goodman wrote: My solution is to force -R in make.conf Let me make a note of that, in make.conf of course. ;-) Years ago, I changed to starting my USE line with -* and adding what I needed, either in /etc/make.conf or in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:18:48 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: My method is to put a USE flag into make.conf if it's described in use.desc; otherwise it goes into package.use if it's in use.local.desc. I use that as a general rule too, although there is the situation where a flag moves from local

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 17:23:44 Mark Knecht wrote: When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose) the KDE profile has included it as a default. So it seems. I've just tried USE=-fortran emerge -upDvN

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/22/2011 06:55 AM, Dale wrote: I just did my updates and ran into this: * Maintainer: s...@gentoo.org * USE: amd64 consolekit elibc_glibc kernel_linux multilib policykit userland_GNU * FEATURES: preserve-libs sandbox * Please install currently selected gcc version with USE=fortran. * If

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 06:55 AM, Dale wrote: I just did my updates and ran into this: * Maintainer: s...@gentoo.org * USE: amd64 consolekit elibc_glibc kernel_linux multilib policykit userland_GNU * FEATURES: preserve-libs sandbox * Please install currently selected gcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:18:49 -0500, Dale wrote: To think people wonder why my USE line is so big. I keep having to add stuff when portage pukes but portage never tells me when one has fell off the reservation and needs to be removed. sighs Over the years, it adds up. That's because

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/22/2011 02:18 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 06:55 AM, Dale wrote: I just did my updates and ran into this: * Maintainer: s...@gentoo.org * USE: amd64 consolekit elibc_glibc kernel_linux multilib policykit userland_GNU * FEATURES: preserve-libs sandbox * Please

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Indi
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:18:49AM -0500, Dale wrote: To think people wonder why my USE line is so big. I keep having to add stuff when portage pukes but portage never tells me when one has fell off the reservation and needs to be removed. sighs Over the years, it adds up. I'm a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:18:49 -0500, Dale wrote: To think people wonder why my USE line is so big. I keep having to add stuff when portage pukes but portage never tells me when one has fell off the reservation and needs to be removed. sighs Over the years, it adds

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 02:18 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 06:55 AM, Dale wrote: I just did my updates and ran into this: * Maintainer: s...@gentoo.org * USE: amd64 consolekit elibc_glibc kernel_linux multilib policykit userland_GNU * FEATURES:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:18:49 -0500, Dale wrote: To think people wonder why my USE line is so big.  I keep having to add stuff when portage pukes but portage never tells me when one has fell off the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Well, it appeared to only affect gcc here. As it should? c2stable ~ # equery hasuse fortran * Searching for USE flag fortran ... [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.5:4.4 c2stable ~ #

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/22/2011 04:33 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 02:18 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 06:55 AM, Dale wrote: I just did my updates and ran into this: [...] * Please install currently selected gcc version with USE=fortran. * If you intend to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:27:11 -0500, Dale wrote: That's because those are global flags. If you set package-specific flags in /etc/portage/package.use, eix-test-obsolete will tell you when entries can be removed. But when something new comes out, I usually want to add it for all the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: If eix-test-obsolete is outputting wy too much there there's an opportunity there for you to clean things up, if not today then over time. Once you get it right it outputs almost nothing. Note that I run stable and then use ~amd64 in package.keywords rather liberally

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I suppose you got the idea by now ;-) Do you need dev-lang/R? If not, then emerge -pv --depclean dev-lang/R. Do you need the package(s) that this brings up? If not, continue --depclean those until you reach something that has no other dependencies; meaning you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:27:11 -0500, Dale wrote: That's because those are global flags. If you set package-specific flags in /etc/portage/package.use, eix-test-obsolete will tell you when entries can be removed. But when something new comes out, I usually

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 10:40:40 Dale did opine thusly: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:27:11 -0500, Dale wrote: That's because those are global flags. If you set package-specific flags in /etc/portage/package.use, eix-test-obsolete will tell you when entries can be

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/22/2011 06:35 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I suppose you got the idea by now ;-) Do you need dev-lang/R? If not, then emerge -pv --depclean dev-lang/R. Do you need the package(s) that this brings up? If not, continue --depclean those until you reach something that has no

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:54:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Use a directory for package.use, it makes it far easier to manage. All of /etc/portage/package.* are directories here. I have done that for package.keywords and unmask. In ways it is easier but in ways, it is a nightmare.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: I'm on KDE too, and it doesn't need it.  Probably because my make.conf explicitly says -fortran in it. That's actually the correct statement. When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread pk
On 2011-06-22 17:35, Dale wrote: Well, that leads back to KDE. So, looks like it stays. R is a mathematical language similar to Matlab/Octave... only specialized for statistical computing. I assume if something in KDE is using that it must be optional; check your USE flags. HTH Best regards

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 06:35 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I suppose you got the idea by now ;-) Do you need dev-lang/R? If not, then emerge -pv --depclean dev-lang/R. Do you need the package(s) that this brings up? If not, continue --depclean those until you reach

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/22/2011 07:58 PM, Dale wrote: [...] Mine never had fortran in it at all. I still don't really know what fortran is. It's a programming language. You know, C, C++, stuff like that. Except that it's a zombie-relict from the 1950's that refuses to die because people still programming in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:54:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Use a directory for package.use, it makes it far easier to manage. All of /etc/portage/package.* are directories here. I have done that for package.keywords and unmask. In ways it is easier but in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Todd Goodman
* Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de [110622 11:53]: On 06/22/2011 06:35 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I suppose you got the idea by now ;-) Do you need dev-lang/R? If not, then emerge -pv --depclean dev-lang/R. Do you need the package(s) that this brings up? If not, continue

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 07:58 PM, Dale wrote: [...] Mine never had fortran in it at all. I still don't really know what fortran is. It's a programming language. You know, C, C++, stuff like that. Except that it's a zombie-relict from the 1950's that refuses to die because

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Todd Goodman wrote: Well, I don't have fortran use enabled mail-proxy ~ # euse -i fortran global use flags (searching: fortran) [- ] fortran - Adds support for fortran (formerly f77) local use flags (searching: fortran)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Todd Goodman wrote: Well, I don't have fortran use enabled mail-proxy ~ # euse -i fortran global use flags (searching: fortran) [- ] fortran - Adds support for fortran (formerly f77) local use flags (searching:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 13:13:03 Dale did opine thusly: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 07:58 PM, Dale wrote: [...] Mine never had fortran in it at all. I still don't really know what fortran is. It's a programming language. You know, C, C++, stuff like that. Except that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Todd Goodman
* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [110622 14:45]: Dale wrote: Todd Goodman wrote: Well, I don't have fortran use enabled mail-proxy ~ # euse -i fortran global use flags (searching: fortran) [- ] fortran - Adds support for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: SNIP I'm on KDE too, and it doesn't need it.  Probably because my make.conf explicitly says -fortran in it. For kicks I decided to give -fortran a try. I find it interesting that with Fortran installed using either

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 13:13:03 Dale did opine thusly: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 07:58 PM, Dale wrote: [...] Mine never had fortran in it at all. I still don't really know what fortran is. It's a programming language. You

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Todd Goodman wrote: * Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com [110622 14:45]: When I did that, it complained that cantor was built with no backend. Did you get the same thing? It said this here: WARN (postinst) You have decided to build cantor with no backend. To have this application functional,

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread walt
On 06/22/2011 12:13 AM, justin wrote: I found the culprit. It should be fixed now, so please resync later today and everything is normal again. justin Hi justin. Just want to say thanks for being a gentoo dev, and even bigger thanks for taking time to check in with us here in the gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: For kicks I decided to give -fortran a try. I find it interesting that with Fortran installed using either the fortran flag in package.use, or just not setting the flag at all, I apparently do not need the c++ libraries that I do need when I choose -fortran. However it seems

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/22/2011 9:33 AM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/22/2011 02:18 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Uninstall sci-libs/blas-reference I guess. And probably whatever depends on it. Please do an emerge -pv --depclean blas-reference and post the output so we can see what's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Dale
walt wrote: On 06/22/2011 12:13 AM, justin wrote: I found the culprit. It should be fixed now, so please resync later today and everything is normal again. justin Hi justin. Just want to say thanks for being a gentoo dev, and even bigger thanks for taking time to check in with us

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/22/2011 11:35 AM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I suppose you got the idea by now ;-) Do you need dev-lang/R? If not, then emerge -pv --depclean dev-lang/R. Do you need the package(s) that this brings up? If not, continue --depclean those until you reach something that has no

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/22/2011 2:35 PM, Dale wrote: When I did that, it complained that cantor was built with no backend. Did you get the same thing? It said this here: WARN (postinst) You have decided to build cantor with no backend. To have this application functional, please do one of below: #

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Indi
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that if they see me on a plane, close the lid on my coffin. That's the only way I would get on a plane. You haven't lived until you've been up in a small, underpowered ultralight or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 18:44:00 Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that if they see me on a plane, close the lid on my coffin. That's the only way I would get on a plane. You haven't lived

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