Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 04:27:03 Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: On 4 June 2011, at 02:33, Dale wrote: … What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up? My mail client here follows these conversations as threads. For some reason, recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one. I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes it difficult to follow the conversation. Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me? Blimey! I'm so glad you mentioned it. Having recently moved to a new mail client (major version) I assumed it was just me that was experiencing this problem. Stroller. Nope, it's not just you. I suspect it is some mobile phone or something that is doing it and that the user(s) don't even know it is happening. I just know it makes things hard to follow. Sort of like top posters. They can't change it but it is still annoying as heck. ;-) The thread Cleaning redundant configuration files is the worst. I just went back and looked. David W Noon is usually where it starts. David, what you got going on there my friend? You using a mobile device or something? ;-) Just curious. Now watch him not read this message. lol Dale :-) :-) Are you sure it is DW Noon? His mail client seems legit: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i686-pc-linux-gnu) PS. I haven't noticed the broken threads you mention here (using Kmail). Can you please point me to a thread/message where the break occurs? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
Am 04.06.2011 02:54, schrieb Stroller: On 3 June 2011, at 09:59, Pandu Poluan wrote: ... Oookay... something's wrong with the box itself... Even Apache TS failed for the pages where Squid failed o_O Time to rebuild the box, then . emerge -e everything! That doesn't help if some config file is bogus. However, before doing anything drastic, I'd boot a live-cd or a virtual machine and check if it works there. Maybe it is a network issue. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 01:49:22 +0100, Stroller wrote: So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise. I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, No, only the crap ones. -- Neil Bothwick Someone who thinks logically is a nice contrast to the real world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
On Friday 03 Jun 2011 21:10:29 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: When i start alsamixer and select with the soundcard-selector the audio device of my usb cam ... alsamixer crashes with: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument ...still no sound via usb cam and it seems no chance to use alsamixer with it...damn...this /had/ worked and I dont know what it kills... mylinux:/home/useraplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT2020 Digital [VT2020 Digital] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Your camera's sound card is not shown here (stating the obvious). Have you tried building it as a module and modprobe -v driver to see what messages you get? mylinux:/home/userarecord -l List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 1: CameraB404271 [USB Camera-B4.04.27.1], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 [snip...] !!Loaded ALSA modules !!--- I would suggest that you build alsa as modules at least for troubleshooting purposes. I had to do that in the past to get things working in a box, following the recommendation of the devs. HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
Apparently, though unproven, at 03:33 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 03:00:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote: On 3 June 2011, at 08:44, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise. I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, these days, and that we on this list had gone from being a bunch of intolerant geek assholes (genuinely not looking at anyone specific here) who could not accept top-posting under any circumstances to permitting it from those devices. Where's the fun in that? What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up? My mail client here follows these conversations as threads. For some reason, recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one. I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes it difficult to follow the conversation. Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me? No it's not just you. I'm seeing thread fragmentation too. I have threading set by headers and by subject line and it still happens. So someone is using a mail client that changes subject lines. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Apparently, though unproven, at 10:35 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Mick did opine thusly: On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 04:27:03 Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: On 4 June 2011, at 02:33, Dale wrote: … What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up? My mail client here follows these conversations as threads. For some reason, recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one. I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes it difficult to follow the conversation. Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me? Blimey! I'm so glad you mentioned it. Having recently moved to a new mail client (major version) I assumed it was just me that was experiencing this problem. Stroller. Nope, it's not just you. I suspect it is some mobile phone or something that is doing it and that the user(s) don't even know it is happening. I just know it makes things hard to follow. Sort of like top posters. They can't change it but it is still annoying as heck. ;-) The thread Cleaning redundant configuration files is the worst. I just went back and looked. David W Noon is usually where it starts. David, what you got going on there my friend? You using a mobile device or something? ;-) Just curious. Now watch him not read this message. lol Dale :-) :-) Are you sure it is DW Noon? His mail client seems legit: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i686-pc-linux-gnu) PS. I haven't noticed the broken threads you mention here (using Kmail). Can you please point me to a thread/message where the break occurs? Latest kmail seems to be trying to be clever with displaying mails. Try this: View - Message List - Aggregation and set it to Current Activity, Threaded most of the broken threads will seem to be broken by Indi. Now change it to Standard Mailing List and threading mostly goes back to being normal. I don't think the broken threads are anyone's mailer, I think it's kmail doing Aggregation based on today/not today first. Check the description notes in View - Message List - Aggregation - Configure... -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Am Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:35:32 +0100 schrieb Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 04:27:03 Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: On 4 June 2011, at 02:33, Dale wrote: … [...] Are you sure it is DW Noon? His mail client seems legit: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i686-pc-linux-gnu) PS. I haven't noticed the broken threads you mention here (using Kmail). Can you please point me to a thread/message where the break occurs? I noticed it with DW Noon, too, although it also happened with Indi. I'm using Claws-Mail myself. -- Marc Joliet -- People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:10:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote: Part of my post that you chose not to quote was I'd be the first to admit that Macs have flaws. All desktops / UIs / operating-systems are a compromise. I don't believe any of them are perfect. Last time I used Linux on the desktop (in ernest) I had some dreadful problems with KDE crashing or failing to open under certain circumstances, which I found frustrating and impossible to overcome. That was several years ago, and no-one on the mailing list or Usenet group I tried was able to help; I don't think I knew at the time to try the KDE mailing list. That's not a problem with Linux, it's a problem with kde. That's once of the reasons I strongly dislike kde4 BTW -- with kde3 most windows users were impressed and easily switched. As you found (and as we see daily on this list), kde4 has yet to achieve that level of carefree stability. People whose first experience with *nix involves kde4 are bound to come away relieved they have windows to go back to! Currently the biggest thing holding me back from giving Linux another good chance to prove itself to me is basically that Mac OS X is good enough for me. Low standards, or perhaps you just value other things? Does Apple Mail give you the option of wrapping text at a sensible number of characters? Perhaps it's just your settings... One concern about using Linux on the desktop is that I don't think the apps will be as good or as polished as the ones I use currently Never understood the obsession with polish. Either it works properly or it doesn't. The polishing Apple delivers always seems to end in me looking at a blnding box of light with the only recourse being to dim *everything*, invert colors on *everything*, or wear shades. Incredibly annoying, and not my idea of polished at all (then again, I genuinely don't see why anyone would buy 100 watt light bulbs other than for industrial use). Apparently Apple doesn't give a rat's behind about accessibility issues. Imperfect physical specimens need not apply is what Jobs would probably say if he were honest. Disability is *so* uncool... Another is that (I believe) gestures are not supported in present window managers - presently I can pinch outwards with two fingers to zoom in on an image, or I can swipe with 4 fingers to show an overview of my virtual desktops and open windows. Spreading all 5 fingers shows me the desktop. So I don't like mice, and I was getting pissed off with cleaning my trackball on a daily basis (the ball kinda gets all clogged and slow) … it's hard to find a device with as many buttons as I can make trackpad gestures. You have a keyboard, why the need to pinch something? :) Nevertheless, there are some things I agree are absolutely shit about OS X. Yes, like FINDER (actually makes windows explorer look almost reasonable), utter crap security, xnu, and Jobs' stupid obsession with microkernels. The Mac Defender fiasco is the beginning of the end. A similar thing happened with the original Mac OS, and within two years there were hundred of malware instances just like windows. Apple is more interested in design than in engineering, it's been their downfall before. You say OS X is good enough I say you've got some mighty low standards. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [11-06-04 12:12]: On Friday 03 Jun 2011 21:10:29 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: When i start alsamixer and select with the soundcard-selector the audio device of my usb cam ... alsamixer crashes with: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument ...still no sound via usb cam and it seems no chance to use alsamixer with it...damn...this /had/ worked and I dont know what it kills... mylinux:/home/useraplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT2020 Digital [VT2020 Digital] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Your camera's sound card is not shown here (stating the obvious). Have you tried building it as a module and modprobe -v driver to see what messages you get? mylinux:/home/userarecord -l List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 1: CameraB404271 [USB Camera-B4.04.27.1], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 [snip...] !!Loaded ALSA modules !!--- I would suggest that you build alsa as modules at least for troubleshooting purposes. I had to do that in the past to get things working in a box, following the recommendation of the devs. HTH. -- Regards, Mick I modularized alsa. Now I have back my distorted sound when using vlc for tv and mplayer does not find any audio device despite the fact that everything is in place...and gucview produces videos with an empty audio track (recorded sound of silence as it seems) as it has done already before. What next? I included the resulting alsa-info again at the end of this mail... Best regards and somehow frustrated mcc upload=truescript=truecardinfo= !! !!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.60 !! !!Script ran on: Sat Jun 4 11:38:36 UTC 2011 !!Linux Distribution !!-- Gentoo Base System release 2.0.2 !!DMI Information !!--- Manufacturer: System manufacturer Product Name: System Product Name Product Version: System Version !!Kernel Information !!-- Kernel release:2.6.39.1 Operating System: GNU/Linux Architecture: x86_64 Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor SMP Enabled: Yes !!ALSA Version !! Driver version: 1.0.24 Library version:1.0.24.1 Utilities version: 1.0.24.2 !!Loaded ALSA modules !!--- snd_usb_audio snd_hda_intel snd_hda_intel !!Sound Servers on this system !! Pulseaudio: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) Running - No ESound Daemon: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/esd) Running - No Jack: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/jackd) Running - No !!Soundcards recognised by ALSA !!- 0 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 !!PCI Soundcards installed in the system !!-- 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) 01:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) 01:06.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) 08:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Device 0bea (rev a1) !!Advanced information - PCI Vendor/Device/Subsystem ID's !! 00:14.2 0403: 1002:4383 (rev 40) Subsystem: 1043:8410 -- 08:00.1 0403: 10de:0bea (rev a1) Subsystem: 1462:2304 !!Loaded sound module options !!-- !!Module: snd_usb_audio async_unlink : Y device_setup : 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 enable : Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y id : (null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null) ignore_ctl_error : N index : -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 nrpacks : 8 pid : -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 vid : -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 !!Module: snd_hda_intel bdl_pos_adj : 32,32,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 beep_mode : 2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2 enable : Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y enable_msi : -1 id : (null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null) index : -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 model : (null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null)
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:30:01AM +0200, Mick wrote: On Friday 03 Jun 2011 21:10:29 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: When i start alsamixer and select with the soundcard-selector the audio device of my usb cam ... alsamixer crashes with: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument ...still no sound via usb cam and it seems no chance to use alsamixer with it...damn...this /had/ worked and I dont know what it kills... mylinux:/home/useraplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT2020 Digital [VT2020 Digital] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Your camera's sound card is not shown here (stating the obvious). Have you tried building it as a module and modprobe -v driver to see what messages you get? mylinux:/home/userarecord -l List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 1: CameraB404271 [USB Camera-B4.04.27.1], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 [snip...] !!Loaded ALSA modules !!--- I would suggest that you build alsa as modules at least for troubleshooting purposes. I had to do that in the past to get things working in a box, following the recommendation of the devs. I second that. For years I built the ALSA drivers into the kernel, but for some reason that started giving me trouble some months back and after switching to using modules instead it's back to being a carefree setup. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 01:10:01PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: most of the broken threads will seem to be broken by Indi. Now change it to Standard Mailing List and threading mostly goes back to being normal. I don't think the broken threads are anyone's mailer, I think it's kmail doing Aggregation based on today/not today first. Check the description notes in View - Message List - Aggregation - Configure... Could it have anything to do with the fact that I read this list from the usenet group, rather than the list itself? Could that cause an inconsistency in headers that might break threading, perhaps? I was assuming the usenet group would give equal functionality without having to receive all that mail, but if it breaks threading I'll switch back to mail. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Am 04.06.2011 12:37, schrieb Marc Joliet: I noticed it with DW Noon, too, although it also happened with Indi. I'm using Claws-Mail myself. I have Thunderbird and see this breakings too, it is really annoing. Greetings Sebastian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Am 04.06.2011 14:03, schrieb Indi: Could it have anything to do with the fact that I read this list from the usenet group, rather than the list itself? Could that cause an inconsistency in headers that might break threading, perhaps? Your References: Header looks very strange, I think the gateway changes it and so the mail clients get confused. Greetings Sebastian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 02:30:02PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 04.06.2011 14:03, schrieb Indi: Could it have anything to do with the fact that I read this list from the usenet group, rather than the list itself? Could that cause an inconsistency in headers that might break threading, perhaps? Your References: Header looks very strange, I think the gateway changes it and so the mail clients get confused. Thanks Sebastian, and Alan and everyone else for bringing it up. Guess the usenet group is intended as merely an archive, so I'll make the appropriate arrangments right now. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 04.06.2011 12:37, schrieb Marc Joliet: I noticed it with DW Noon, too, although it also happened with Indi. I'm using Claws-Mail myself. I have Thunderbird and see this breakings too, it is really annoing. Greetings Sebastian I'm using Seamonkey for my email. It does appear that it happens with Indi to tho. This thread is now broken up into a few discussions as well. No clue what order things are supposed to be in so just replying as I get to them. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4 device detection
On Sat, 28 May 2011 01:43:54 +0200, Nils Larsson wrote: lördagen den 28 maj 2011 00:54:42 skrev Neil Bothwick: That fails on the broken box with Failed to execute program /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Yepp, thats the error. I vaugly recall doing a emerge -1 dbus polkit consolekit udisks etc. Did anyone find a solution to this? Re-emerging the various packages mentioned made no difference, and it gives the same error run as root, so permissions aren't the issue. -- Neil Bothwick If I save time, when do I get it back? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:05:24AM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using Seamonkey for my email. It does appear that it happens with Indi to tho. This thread is now broken up into a few discussions as well. No clue what order things are supposed to be in so just replying as I get to them. lol Hopefully this one is better, as it's a reply to the email rather than to the mail2news gateway. Sorry for any inconvenience, and maybe that issue should be in a FAQ on the usenet group and mentioned in the list page now that we know? :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
[gentoo-user] sntp error in rc.log post OpenRC migration
Ok, finally took the plunge, and as everyone else said it was pretty much anti-climactic... However, I'm getting the following error when starting sntp that I wasn't before in rc.log: * Setting clock via the NTP client 'sntp' ... 4 Jun 09:34:15 sntp[1626]: Started sntp 4 Jun 09:34:15 sntp[1626]: kod_init_kod_db(): Cannot open KoD db file /var/db/ntp-kod 4 Jun 09:34:15 sntp[1626]: Error looking up (A) no: Name or service not known 4 Jun 09:34:15 sntp[1626]: Error looking up (A) -r: Name or service not known 2011-06-04 09:34:15.356315 (+0500) -0.010584 +/- 0.038147 secs 2011-06-04 09:34:15.403387 (+0500) -0.0013 +/- 0.000488 secs 2011-06-04 09:34:15.436536 (+0500) -0.006587 +/- 0.026062 secs [ ok ] Googling the first line of the error: kod_init_kod_db(): Cannot open KoD db file /var/db/ntp-kod did come up with this 6 month old bug: https://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1681 Is there something I need to do to fix this, or is this a cosmetic/logging bug that will iron itself out with a later update? Thanks guys (and gals)...
Re: [gentoo-user] sntp error in rc.log post OpenRC migration
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:47:20AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok, finally took the plunge, and as everyone else said it was pretty much anti-climactic... However, I'm getting the following error when starting sntp that I wasn't before in rc.log: * Setting clock via the NTP client 'sntp' ... 4 Jun 09:34:15 sntp[1626]: Started sntp 4 Jun 09:34:15 sntp[1626]: kod_init_kod_db(): Cannot open KoD db file /var/db/ntp-kod 4 Jun 09:34:15 sntp[1626]: Error looking up (A) no: Name or service not known 4 Jun 09:34:15 sntp[1626]: Error looking up (A) -r: Name or service not known 2011-06-04 09:34:15.356315 (+0500) -0.010584 +/- 0.038147 secs 2011-06-04 09:34:15.403387 (+0500) -0.0013 +/- 0.000488 secs 2011-06-04 09:34:15.436536 (+0500) -0.006587 +/- 0.026062 secs [ ok ] Googling the first line of the error: kod_init_kod_db(): Cannot open KoD db file /var/db/ntp-kod did come up with this 6 month old bug: https://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1681 Is there something I need to do to fix this, or is this a cosmetic/logging bug that will iron itself out with a later update? Thanks guys (and gals)... Using ntp-client here, works just fine. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:05:24AM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using Seamonkey for my email. It does appear that it happens with Indi to tho. This thread is now broken up into a few discussions as well. No clue what order things are supposed to be in so just replying as I get to them. lol Hopefully this one is better, as it's a reply to the email rather than to the mail2news gateway. Sorry for any inconvenience, and maybe that issue should be in a FAQ on the usenet group and mentioned in the list page now that we know? :) That one was inline with the rest. Yeppie !! :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:22:57AM -0500, Dale wrote: Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:05:24AM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using Seamonkey for my email. It does appear that it happens with Indi to tho. This thread is now broken up into a few discussions as well. No clue what order things are supposed to be in so just replying as I get to them. lol Hopefully this one is better, as it's a reply to the email rather than to the mail2news gateway. Sorry for any inconvenience, and maybe that issue should be in a FAQ on the usenet group and mentioned in the list page now that we know? :) That one was inline with the rest. Yeppie !! Thanks for the confirmation, and for mentioning it in the first place. I couldn't tell of course, because they all looked fine on usenet and there was no local email to compare the view. It's a bit embarrassing to be the threadbreaker, but at least it wasn't my fault. :P -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] sntp error in rc.log post OpenRC migration
On 2011-06-04 10:02 AM, Indi wrote: Using ntp-client here, works just fine. Hmmm... what runlevel do you have ntdp set to? Mine is 'default'...
RE: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
-original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid? From: Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net Date: 2011-06-04 15:45 Am 04.06.2011 02:54, schrieb Stroller: On 3 June 2011, at 09:59, Pandu Poluan wrote: ... Oookay... something's wrong with the box itself... Even Apache TS failed for the pages where Squid failed o_O Time to rebuild the box, then . emerge -e everything! Far easier to install a box from scratch then swap the IP addresses :) That doesn't help if some config file is bogus. Well, my config file has passed the check by the Squid people, so it's certainly not that... However, before doing anything drastic, I'd boot a live-cd or a virtual machine and check if it works there. Maybe it is a network issue. Regards, Florian Philipp Well, wget works. So it's not *strictly* a network issue. Yet there might be light at the end of the tunnel... A guy in the Netfilter mailing list had indirectly given me a probable solution; he's been having trouble accessing www.apple.com through the proxy (and actually, www.apple.com is also one of the sites I can't access via my proxy box). He managed to make his proxy work by adding a rule to iptables to allow incoming access to port 80. Despite having no web server listening at that port. Doesn't really make sense, I know: why the heck does a target web server need access to *my* port 80, but it worked after all. So, come Monday, I'm going to change the policy for incoming port 80 from DROP to REJECT or ACCEPT, and we'll see if there's going to be joy in mudville :) Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Sent from Nokia E72-1
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:22:57AM -0500, Dale wrote: That one was inline with the rest. Yeppie !! Thanks for the confirmation, and for mentioning it in the first place. I couldn't tell of course, because they all looked fine on usenet and there was no local email to compare the view. It's a bit embarrassing to be the threadbreaker, but at least it wasn't my fault. :P I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. I just know this is going to happen again. One reason I mentioned it was because I had recompiled Seamonkey and it started about that time. I wanted to find out if it was a Seamonkey bug or what. Now we know. We are back to normal again. :-) Then again, I never was normal anyway. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4 device detection
On Saturday 04 June 2011 14:10:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 01:43:54 +0200, Nils Larsson wrote: lördagen den 28 maj 2011 00:54:42 skrev Neil Bothwick: That fails on the broken box with Failed to execute program /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Yepp, thats the error. I vaugly recall doing a emerge -1 dbus polkit consolekit udisks etc. Did anyone find a solution to this? Re-emerging the various packages mentioned made no difference, and it gives the same error run as root, so permissions aren't the issue. and sysfs events are propageted to udev? -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
On Saturday 04 June 2011 02:40:12 William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 14:57 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 03.06.2011 14:25, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 14:18 on Friday 03 June 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Friday 03 June 2011 13:37:54 Stéphane Guedon wrote: On Friday 03 June 2011 12:55:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:44 on Friday 03 June 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: [...] The point is that NFS was not designed with laptops and other devices that can be disconnected in mind. It was designed for secure LANs that do not change much, and laptops present issues that are not easy to solve. [...] Nfs hasn't been designed for laptop, it's ok. But, appart from coda (which has a file size limit of 1 giga, so, useless in home networking), I know nothing that is fit for network file-sharing for laptop (the laptop isn't the server of course). I search a solution for that since years ! samba? +1 Samba works nicely for ad-hoc connections, the kind of thing Windows clients would do. And it's a lot more tolerant of connections going away than NFS. I always was under the impression that NFS is more fault-tolerant on the network because of its usage of stateless UDP connections whereas CIFS usually freezes when the connection is lost. In the end, both issue an IO error, usually crashing an unprepared application. So, in which regard performs CIFS better with interrupted connections? That being said, I always use NFS over TCP because of performance issues with UDP and wireless LAN. Regards, Florian Philipp No, its ok in a fixed network but you get wierd issues like clients hanging on shutdown because the NFS server goes away first, and its an administrative pita when it stops working - could be firewall, something missed in a new kernel etc. Ive been using it for mythtv and diskless systems (NFS over TCP) for quite awhile and its a fight every few months to find out why host x syuddenly doesnt want to play. But otherwise works well use wise in a controlled environment. Laptops are a whole different matter though - you might be better off side stepping if its only looking at media by looking into streaming rather than storage mapping. Otherwise, Samba is probably the next best. BillK In home network, you share many types of files ! The first I think is DVD iso, which is huge (too large to go through coda) and not streamable... (but I admit it's not the best exemple !) You share also documents (tax papers scans, ilness and doctors certificates...). And I share first of all Portage tree and distfiles ! Medias can be streamed, but not that ! -- Stéphane Guedon page web : http://www.22decembre.eu/ carte de visite : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.vcf clé publique gpg : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
RE: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
-original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design From: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Date: 2011-06-04 21:54 Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:22:57AM -0500, Dale wrote: That one was inline with the rest. Yeppie !! Thanks for the confirmation, and for mentioning it in the first place. I couldn't tell of course, because they all looked fine on usenet and there was no local email to compare the view. It's a bit embarrassing to be the threadbreaker, but at least it wasn't my fault. :P Sometimes our hands are forced by situation beyond our control ;) I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. Now you're ribbing me :P That said, yeah Gmail's Java Mobile client sucks when it comes to top-posting: Click Reply (or, in my case, choose 'Reply' from the menu), and I'm given an *empty* textbox to write my reply, which *will* be top-posted. And I totally have no say in that. (And it sucks royally that midway through writing a reply, I'd forget what exactly was written in the email I'm replying through, necessitating a 'Save Draft', back to reading the email, then 'Resume Draft'). But now I've pulled my emails to my E72-1's native email client, and I can now properly bottom-post, with a caveat: I have to manually insert the '' to indicate the quoted original email. Oh well. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. I just know this is going to happen again. It depends on the mail-to-usenet gateway, methinks. We are back to normal again. :-) Then again, I never was normal anyway. ;-) We're using Gentoo, so we all can't be normal ;) Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Sent from Nokia E72-1
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference between usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It actually shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked around a couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the email like normal folks and be done fooling with it. :) I just know this is going to happen again. It always will, due to lack of completeness and/or accuracy in various MUAs' conformity to standards. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Am 04.06.2011 16:54, schrieb Dale: I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. I just know this is going to happen again. I don't think that there is something that can be done, because the server changes the headers of the mails. That is a example of Indi's headers when he was using usenet References: gzhrq-5lz...@gated-at.bofh.it gzhlc-5n...@gated-at.bofh.it gzj0b-84...@gated-at.bofh.it gzvl7-3y...@gated-at.bofh.it That is what his headers look now References: gziwt-5u...@gated-at.bofh.it 61a321c6-5d7c-49ce-b87b-3e4180958...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk 4de9a607.6070...@gmail.com 201106040935.43431.michaelkintz...@gmail.com 20110604123702.45f10...@marcec.huntemann.uni-oldenburg.de 4dea1f3d.3070...@darkmetatron.de 4dea2d94.4070...@gmail.com 20110604131539.ga11...@gaurahari.merseine.nu 4dea3fc1.3090...@gmail.com The References-header is what most readers use to sort mails into threads. Greetings Sebastian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: I don't think that there is something that can be done, because the server changes the headers of the mails. That is a example of Indi's headers when he was using usenet References: gzhrq-5lz...@gated-at.bofh.it gzhlc-5n...@gated-at.bofh.it gzj0b-84...@gated-at.bofh.it gzvl7-3y...@gated-at.bofh.it That is what his headers look now References: gziwt-5u...@gated-at.bofh.it 61a321c6-5d7c-49ce-b87b-3e4180958...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk 4de9a607.6070...@gmail.com 201106040935.43431.michaelkintz...@gmail.com 20110604123702.45f10...@marcec.huntemann.uni-oldenburg.de 4dea1f3d.3070...@darkmetatron.de 4dea2d94.4070...@gmail.com 20110604131539.ga11...@gaurahari.merseine.nu 4dea3fc1.3090...@gmail.com The References-header is what most readers use to sort mails into threads. Well I could be wrong but do believe the MUA wll write the Xref or References headers according to what the server has on the original message. If the original header info exists anywhere in the message sent by the mail2news gateway it should be possible to write a macro to make mutt retrieve that information and rewrite the headers to the proper default. I'm just a bit tired of fiddling with it right now, but maybe I'll look into it later... -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: That is a example of Indi's headers when he was using usenet References: gzhrq-5lz...@gated-at.bofh.it gzhlc-5n...@gated-at.bofh.it gzj0b-84...@gated-at.bofh.it gzvl7-3y...@gated-at.bofh.it Can't believe I never noticed that Bastard Operator From Hell reference in those headers, lol... -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:38:38AM -0400, Indi wrote: Well I could be wrong but do believe the MUA wll write the Xref or References headers according to what the server has on the original message. If the original header info exists anywhere in the message sent by the mail2news gateway it should be possible to write a macro to make mutt retrieve that information and rewrite the headers to the proper default. I'm just a bit tired of fiddling with it right now, but maybe I'll look into it later... Actually, now that I pay attention the workaround would be easy. The mail2news gateway rewrites the References header but it preserves the original in a X-Original-Message-ID header. So using the info from X-Original-Message-ID in the References field should make it work. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:50:03PM +0200, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:27:32PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: I don't think that there is something that can be done, because the server changes the headers of the mails. That is a example of Indi's headers when he was using usenet References: gzhrq-5lz...@gated-at.bofh.it gzhlc-5n...@gated-at.bofh.it gzj0b-84...@gated-at.bofh.it gzvl7-3y...@gated-at.bofh.it That is what his headers look now References: gziwt-5u...@gated-at.bofh.it 61a321c6-5d7c-49ce-b87b-3e4180958...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk 4de9a607.6070...@gmail.com 201106040935.43431.michaelkintz...@gmail.com 20110604123702.45f10...@marcec.huntemann.uni-oldenburg.de 4dea1f3d.3070...@darkmetatron.de 4dea2d94.4070...@gmail.com 20110604131539.ga11...@gaurahari.merseine.nu 4dea3fc1.3090...@gmail.com The References-header is what most readers use to sort mails into threads. Well I could be wrong but do believe the MUA wll write the Xref or References headers according to what the server has on the original message. If the original header info exists anywhere in the message sent by the mail2news gateway it should be possible to write a macro to make mutt retrieve that information and rewrite the headers to the proper default. I'm just a bit tired of fiddling with it right now, but maybe I'll look into it later... This is just a test to see if threading works with the mail2news gateway when the X-Original-Message-ID header data is used to replace the In-Reply-To header's data (as it comes up using the mail2news gateway, of course). -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:35 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You say OS X is good enough I say you've got some mighty low standards. My manager's predecessor's precedessor's precedessor had the same thing with SuSE and installed that goddamn piece of shit on 100+ boxes. Sure, it all looks neat after first install. Sybase ASE goes on and starts up real nice as do all sorts of other proprietary (and despoke) apps. Wait 6 months, try do a perfectly reasonable upgrade. Something easy like, say syslog-ng-1.6 to syslog-ng-3.x. Carnage. There's a certain mentality that goes with these New! Improved! Shiny! OSes and their magic sauce special apps. They only work if you use it exactly as the vendors thinks - which is necessarily an extremely narrow view. /etc ain't broke, I can't understand why SuSE insists on fixing it -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Reboot after kjournald starting
Hi there! A mother board died, so I put the hard drives into an old spare PC, rebuilt the kernel via chroot in order to include some necessary drivers, and all was well. Until I plugged in the 2nd hard drive. Then, the thing reboots after these messages: [...] VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly on device 8:6 Freeing unused kernel memory: 304k freed kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Instead, I think init should start. When I unplug the drive, it boots fine. Both drives are partitioned this way: sda5: /boot ext2 sda6: / ext3 sda7-sda13: LVM GRML boots fine with both drives. Any ideas? Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 06:47:34PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:35 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You say OS X is good enough I say you've got some mighty low standards. My manager's predecessor's precedessor's precedessor had the same thing with SuSE and installed that goddamn piece of shit on 100+ boxes. Sure, it all looks neat after first install. Sybase ASE goes on and starts up real nice as do all sorts of other proprietary (and despoke) apps. Wait 6 months, try do a perfectly reasonable upgrade. Something easy like, say syslog-ng-1.6 to syslog-ng-3.x. Carnage. There's a certain mentality that goes with these New! Improved! Shiny! OSes and their magic sauce special apps. They only work if you use it exactly as the vendors thinks - which is necessarily an extremely narrow view. /etc ain't broke, I can't understand why SuSE insists on fixing it It's the desire to create something only you can fix, so you get users over a barrel. Windows mentality... -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
[gentoo-user] Fonts and KDE SC
Hi all. Okay, colour me so stupid, but I want to add some TrueType fonts to KDE and I can't figure out how to do it. In my previous KDE install, there used to be a menu item for adding fonts. I *have* googled for this, but haven't found anything relevant. Can someone please help? Regards, Colleen -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Fonts and KDE SC
On Saturday 04 June 2011 13:54:27 CJoeB wrote: Hi all. Okay, colour me so stupid, but I want to add some TrueType fonts to KDE and I can't figure out how to do it. In my previous KDE install, there used to be a menu item for adding fonts. I *have* googled for this, but haven't found anything relevant. Can someone please help? Regards, Colleen open the system center - or how it is called in english, scroll down and there is font installation (or managment or whatever that menu topic is called). Click on it and you are only two clicks from installing a font... -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference between usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It actually shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked around a couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the email like normal folks and be done fooling with it. :) FWIW, If I set kmail to display just routine ordinary threaded mail there's a lot less thread breakage. It's not all gone, but it is considerably less. Setting kmail to display threads based on activity - whatever the blazes that is - breaks things wholesale. I haven't managed to narrow it down at all so I have no idea what the algorithm is. Looks like there's more to this than just usernet-mail gateway brokenness -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Fonts and KDE SC
Apparently, though unproven, at 19:54 on Saturday 04 June 2011, CJoeB did opine thusly: Hi all. Okay, colour me so stupid, but I want to add some TrueType fonts to KDE and I can't figure out how to do it. In my previous KDE install, there used to be a menu item for adding fonts. I *have* googled for this, but haven't found anything relevant. Can someone please help? Many common fonts are available in ebuilds, so you could just emerge that. Otherwise System Settings - System Administration - Font Installer to do it manually -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Fonts and KDE SC
On 06/04/2011 08:54 PM, CJoeB wrote: Hi all. Okay, colour me so stupid, but I want to add some TrueType fonts to KDE and I can't figure out how to do it. In my previous KDE install, there used to be a menu item for adding fonts. I *have* googled for this, but haven't found anything relevant. Can someone please help? In System Settings, in the System Administration section, there is a Font Installer icon.
Re: [gentoo-user] Reboot after kjournald starting
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:57 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Alex Schuster did opine thusly: Hi there! A mother board died, so I put the hard drives into an old spare PC, rebuilt the kernel via chroot in order to include some necessary drivers, and all was well. Until I plugged in the 2nd hard drive. Then, the thing reboots after these messages: [...] VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly on device 8:6 Freeing unused kernel memory: 304k freed kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Instead, I think init should start. When I unplug the drive, it boots fine. Most obvious things first: What does the system present that BIOS as? Is it now trying to boot off the second drive? Both drives are partitioned this way: sda5: /boot ext2 sda6: / ext3 sda7-sda13: LVM GRML boots fine with both drives. Any ideas? Wonko -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fonts and KDE SC
On 06/04/11 14:17, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/04/2011 08:54 PM, CJoeB wrote: Hi all. Okay, colour me so stupid, but I want to add some TrueType fonts to KDE and I can't figure out how to do it. In my previous KDE install, there used to be a menu item for adding fonts. I *have* googled for this, but haven't found anything relevant. Can someone please help? In System Settings, in the System Administration section, there is a Font Installer icon. Okay, I AM stupid - not normally, but in this instance . YES! Would you believe that I looked in System Settings, but just did scroll down far enough to see the System Administration section. Thanks, guys, for your patience and not coming right out and calling me an idiot! That's one thing I love about this list - you're all so patient and even when you probably think someone is a total dolt, you're always so polite! :-) Regards, Colleen Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference between usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It actually shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked around a couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the email like normal folks and be done fooling with it. :) FWIW, If I set kmail to display just routine ordinary threaded mail there's a lot less thread breakage. It's not all gone, but it is considerably less. Setting kmail to display threads based on activity - whatever the blazes that is - breaks things wholesale. I haven't managed to narrow it down at all so I have no idea what the algorithm is. Looks like there's more to this than just usernet-mail gateway brokenness I'd switch if *mutt* was breaking threading for other people, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Now kmail and the other pointy-clicky-html-loving apps, *those* I don't trust... Tried 'em, found 'em wanting. ;) It would be good to hear from more people running different MUAs, but IMO mutt is the Gold Standard and is almost certaily doing what it's supposed to do. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fonts and KDE SC
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 02:37:32PM -0400, CJoeB wrote: On 06/04/11 14:17, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/04/2011 08:54 PM, CJoeB wrote: Hi all. Okay, colour me so stupid, but I want to add some TrueType fonts to KDE and I can't figure out how to do it. In my previous KDE install, there used to be a menu item for adding fonts. I *have* googled for this, but haven't found anything relevant. Can someone please help? In System Settings, in the System Administration section, there is a Font Installer icon. Okay, I AM stupid - not normally, but in this instance . YES! Would you believe that I looked in System Settings, but just did scroll down far enough to see the System Administration section. Thanks, guys, for your patience and not coming right out and calling me an idiot! That's one thing I love about this list - you're all so patient and even when you probably think someone is a total dolt, you're always so polite! :-) For me it's very challenging to find things in those menus or in the desktop thicket of icons everyone seems to be so fond of -- so much easier just to configure things by editing text files. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On 6/4/2011 11:43 AM, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference between usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It actually shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked around a couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the email like normal folks and be done fooling with it. :) FWIW, If I set kmail to display just routine ordinary threaded mail there's a lot less thread breakage. It's not all gone, but it is considerably less. Setting kmail to display threads based on activity - whatever the blazes that is - breaks things wholesale. I haven't managed to narrow it down at all so I have no idea what the algorithm is. Looks like there's more to this than just usernet-mail gateway brokenness I'd switch if *mutt* was breaking threading for other people, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Now kmail and the other pointy-clicky-html-loving apps, *those* I don't trust... Tried 'em, found 'em wanting. ;) It would be good to hear from more people running different MUAs, but IMO mutt is the Gold Standard and is almost certaily doing what it's supposed to do. Whatever you're using is breaking threading in Thunderbird and I can't think of anyone else lately I've had the problem with. Also mutt has broken threading in the past and even between different versions of itself... so calling it a gold standard may be an overstatement. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 12:42:07 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: I modularized alsa. Now I have back my distorted sound when using vlc for tv and mplayer does not find any audio device despite the fact that everything is in place...and gucview produces videos with an empty audio track (recorded sound of silence as it seems) as it has done already before. What next? [snip ...] !!USB Mixer information !!--- --startcollapse-- USB Mixer: usb_id=0x14152000, ctrlif=1, ctlerr=0 Card: OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high Unit: 3 Control: name=Mic Capture Volume, index=0 Hmmm .. shouldn't this line also have device=0 at the end? Info: id=3, control=2, cmask=0xf, channels=4, type=S16 Volume: min=0, max=1, dBmin=0, dBmax=0 --endcollapse-- [snip ...] !!---Mixer controls for card 0 [CameraB404271] amixer: Mixer load hw:0 error: Invalid argument Card hw:0 'CameraB404271'/'OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high' Mixer name : 'USB Mixer' Components : 'USB1415:2000' Controls : 1 amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument That dreaded error again ... What do you get when you run: alsamixer -D hw:0 Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Try muting this just in case it makes a difference (I seem to recall it used to cause problems many moons ago). !!Alsactl output !!- --startcollapse-- --endcollapse-- Hold on! Have you run alsactl at all? Can you please run: alsactl -d init to load the modules, probe the cards and reset all your devices. Then run alsamixer to adjust their settings accordingly. If all this does not help, then all I can think is that something in the sound drivers has changed for the worse (regression bug) and that's why you lost your sound. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:59:52AM -0700, kashani wrote: On 6/4/2011 11:43 AM, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference between usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It actually shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked around a couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the email like normal folks and be done fooling with it. :) FWIW, If I set kmail to display just routine ordinary threaded mail there's a lot less thread breakage. It's not all gone, but it is considerably less. Setting kmail to display threads based on activity - whatever the blazes that is - breaks things wholesale. I haven't managed to narrow it down at all so I have no idea what the algorithm is. Looks like there's more to this than just usernet-mail gateway brokenness I'd switch if *mutt* was breaking threading for other people, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Now kmail and the other pointy-clicky-html-loving apps, *those* I don't trust... Tried 'em, found 'em wanting. ;) It would be good to hear from more people running different MUAs, but IMO mutt is the Gold Standard and is almost certaily doing what it's supposed to do. Whatever you're using is breaking threading in Thunderbird and I can't think of anyone else lately I've had the problem with. Also mutt has broken threading in the past and even between different versions of itself... so calling it a gold standard may be an overstatement. Thanks for reporting on Thunderbird. When you say mutt has broken threading in the past, can you please be more specific? AFAIK there have been no problems like that in a couple of years. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 18:25:00 Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 06:47:34PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:35 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You say OS X is good enough I say you've got some mighty low standards. My manager's predecessor's precedessor's precedessor had the same thing with SuSE and installed that goddamn piece of shit on 100+ boxes. Sure, it all looks neat after first install. Sybase ASE goes on and starts up real nice as do all sorts of other proprietary (and despoke) apps. Wait 6 months, try do a perfectly reasonable upgrade. Something easy like, say syslog-ng-1.6 to syslog-ng-3.x. Carnage. There's a certain mentality that goes with these New! Improved! Shiny! OSes and their magic sauce special apps. They only work if you use it exactly as the vendors thinks - which is necessarily an extremely narrow view. /etc ain't broke, I can't understand why SuSE insists on fixing it It's the desire to create something only you can fix, so you get users over a barrel. Windows mentality... If it weren't for SUSE and Fedora I wouldn't be running Gentoo for all these years ... ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:40:01 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design: The thread Cleaning redundant configuration files is the worst. I just went back and looked. David W Noon is usually where it starts. David, what you got going on there my friend? You using a mobile device or something? ;-) Just curious. I am using Claws-Mail under Xfce on a desktop system. However, I am polling this mailing list as a newsgroup through the eternal-september NNTP server in Germany. This server sometimes modifies the Message-ID: line in the headers, so that the References: line in my follow-up has a different message id from the one that you are seeing in the messages to which I reply. This happens only sporadically, at least as I read the list -- but then it would, as the message id's I see are the ones eternal-september likes. Exactly why the eternal-september server changes the Message-ID: line is not immediately obvious. I suspect some mail and news readers generate Message-ID's that are not RFC-compliant and eternal-september corrects the problem, BICBW. Now watch him not read this message. lol I'm reading it a bit late because I was doing a full system backup of my own newsserver system (~40 gigs) with the cron jobs all stopped, including the one that pulls messages from news.eternal-september.org. So I was off the air for about 3½ hours today. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Saturday 04 June 2011 11:59:52 kashani wrote: On 6/4/2011 11:43 AM, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference between usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It actually shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked around a couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the email like normal folks and be done fooling with it. :) FWIW, If I set kmail to display just routine ordinary threaded mail there's a lot less thread breakage. It's not all gone, but it is considerably less. Setting kmail to display threads based on activity - whatever the blazes that is - breaks things wholesale. I haven't managed to narrow it down at all so I have no idea what the algorithm is. Looks like there's more to this than just usernet-mail gateway brokenness I'd switch if *mutt* was breaking threading for other people, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Now kmail and the other pointy-clicky-html-loving apps, *those* I don't trust... Tried 'em, found 'em wanting. ;) It would be good to hear from more people running different MUAs, but IMO mutt is the Gold Standard and is almost certaily doing what it's supposed to do. Whatever you're using is breaking threading in Thunderbird and I can't think of anyone else lately I've had the problem with. Also mutt has broken threading in the past and even between different versions of itself... so calling it a gold standard may be an overstatement. it is golden brown, runny and smelly. Some call it 'gold'. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:38:52PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2011 11:59:52 kashani wrote: On 6/4/2011 11:43 AM, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference between usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It actually shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked around a couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the email like normal folks and be done fooling with it. :) FWIW, If I set kmail to display just routine ordinary threaded mail there's a lot less thread breakage. It's not all gone, but it is considerably less. Setting kmail to display threads based on activity - whatever the blazes that is - breaks things wholesale. I haven't managed to narrow it down at all so I have no idea what the algorithm is. Looks like there's more to this than just usernet-mail gateway brokenness I'd switch if *mutt* was breaking threading for other people, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Now kmail and the other pointy-clicky-html-loving apps, *those* I don't trust... Tried 'em, found 'em wanting. ;) It would be good to hear from more people running different MUAs, but IMO mutt is the Gold Standard and is almost certaily doing what it's supposed to do. Whatever you're using is breaking threading in Thunderbird and I can't think of anyone else lately I've had the problem with. Also mutt has broken threading in the past and even between different versions of itself... so calling it a gold standard may be an overstatement. it is golden brown, runny and smelly. Some call it 'gold'. I hate the way you beat around the bush. Just tell us how you *really* feel, dammit! ;) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fonts and KDE SC
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 19:59:36 Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 02:37:32PM -0400, CJoeB wrote: On 06/04/11 14:17, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In System Settings, in the System Administration section, there is a Font Installer icon. Okay, I AM stupid - not normally, but in this instance . YES! Would you believe that I looked in System Settings, but just did scroll down far enough to see the System Administration section. Thanks, guys, for your patience and not coming right out and calling me an idiot! That's one thing I love about this list - you're all so patient and even when you probably think someone is a total dolt, you're always so polite! :-) For me it's very challenging to find things in those menus or in the desktop thicket of icons everyone seems to be so fond of -- so much easier just to configure things by editing text files. If you want to add them manually use the GUI advice already given, or save any desired font files in ~/.fonts However, I would probably emerge: media-fonts/corefonts media-fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera media-fonts/font-bh-ttf and perhaps: media-fonts/freefont-ttf media-fonts/libertine-ttf to have them system wide. eix -l ttf and eix -l fonts will show relevant files. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
David W Noon wrote: On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:40:01 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design: The thread Cleaning redundant configuration files is the worst. I just went back and looked. David W Noon is usually where it starts. David, what you got going on there my friend? You using a mobile device or something? ;-) Just curious. I am using Claws-Mail under Xfce on a desktop system. However, I am polling this mailing list as a newsgroup through the eternal-september NNTP server in Germany. This server sometimes modifies the Message-ID: line in the headers, so that the References: line in my follow-up has a different message id from the one that you are seeing in the messages to which I reply. This happens only sporadically, at least as I read the list -- but then it would, as the message id's I see are the ones eternal-september likes. Exactly why the eternal-september server changes the Message-ID: line is not immediately obvious. I suspect some mail and news readers generate Message-ID's that are not RFC-compliant and eternal-september corrects the problem, BICBW. Now watch him not read this message. lol I'm reading it a bit late because I was doing a full system backup of my own newsserver system (~40 gigs) with the cron jobs all stopped, including the one that pulls messages from news.eternal-september.org. So I was off the air for about 3½ hours today. Well, something works now. This is threaded as it should be. So, whatever you are doing, keep doing it that away. lol I don't want you to think I was upset or anything. I just went back and noticed you was one of the ones that it was breaking the threads on. I was sort of figuring you were using a mobile device or something that was breaking it and it was not you choosing to break it. Someone noticed it was also doing the same with someone else's replies as well. I figured it was something about the senders equipment or maybe it was just me. That's why I asked and was trying to figure out why this was happening. Better late than never. lol Glad you got you backups done, I hope you never need them. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4 device detection
On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 16:56:46 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Did anyone find a solution to this? Re-emerging the various packages mentioned made no difference, and it gives the same error run as root, so permissions aren't the issue. and sysfs events are propageted to udev? Yes, the devices appear in /dev and are mountable. -- Neil Bothwick It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Saturday 04 June 2011 15:46:49 Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:38:52PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2011 11:59:52 kashani wrote: On 6/4/2011 11:43 AM, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:11:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:20 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:54:11AM -0500, Dale wrote: I suspected it was whatever device was being used. Sort of like top posting. Some people have to top post because the device they are using won't let them reply any other way. I just wonder if there is some setting that could be changed somewhere to make it work correctly with usenet, or whatever you were using. As soon as Alan said it was me, I thought of the difference between usenet and email headers and that mail2news gateway. It actually shouldn't be hard to workaround, but having already worked around a couple of other issues with it I'm ready to just use the email like normal folks and be done fooling with it. :) FWIW, If I set kmail to display just routine ordinary threaded mail there's a lot less thread breakage. It's not all gone, but it is considerably less. Setting kmail to display threads based on activity - whatever the blazes that is - breaks things wholesale. I haven't managed to narrow it down at all so I have no idea what the algorithm is. Looks like there's more to this than just usernet-mail gateway brokenness I'd switch if *mutt* was breaking threading for other people, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Now kmail and the other pointy-clicky-html-loving apps, *those* I don't trust... Tried 'em, found 'em wanting. ;) It would be good to hear from more people running different MUAs, but IMO mutt is the Gold Standard and is almost certaily doing what it's supposed to do. Whatever you're using is breaking threading in Thunderbird and I can't think of anyone else lately I've had the problem with. Also mutt has broken threading in the past and even between different versions of itself... so calling it a gold standard may be an overstatement. it is golden brown, runny and smelly. Some call it 'gold'. I hate the way you beat around the bush. Just tell us how you *really* feel, dammit! ;) diplomatic mode I have a slightly adverse general opinion about the mail client called 'mutt'. I am not saying that this is the fault of its devs nor do I suggesst that there is anything wrong with its users. /diplomatic mode Pine is slightly less gruesome.. Old kmail rocked. It even did well with threads where the thread id was mangled - threading by subject was an option. Haven't looked into the options with the kmail beta I am using at the moment. I am glad that it is more or less stable. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [11-06-04 22:30]: On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 12:42:07 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: I modularized alsa. Now I have back my distorted sound when using vlc for tv and mplayer does not find any audio device despite the fact that everything is in place...and gucview produces videos with an empty audio track (recorded sound of silence as it seems) as it has done already before. What next? [snip ...] !!USB Mixer information !!--- --startcollapse-- USB Mixer: usb_id=0x14152000, ctrlif=1, ctlerr=0 Card: OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high Unit: 3 Control: name=Mic Capture Volume, index=0 Hmmm .. shouldn't this line also have device=0 at the end? Info: id=3, control=2, cmask=0xf, channels=4, type=S16 Volume: min=0, max=1, dBmin=0, dBmax=0 --endcollapse-- [snip ...] !!---Mixer controls for card 0 [CameraB404271] amixer: Mixer load hw:0 error: Invalid argument Card hw:0 'CameraB404271'/'OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high' Mixer name : 'USB Mixer' Components: 'USB1415:2000' Controls : 1 amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument That dreaded error again ... What do you get when you run: alsamixer -D hw:0 Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Try muting this just in case it makes a difference (I seem to recall it used to cause problems many moons ago). !!Alsactl output !!- --startcollapse-- --endcollapse-- Hold on! Have you run alsactl at all? Can you please run: alsactl -d init to load the modules, probe the cards and reset all your devices. Then run alsamixer to adjust their settings accordingly. If all this does not help, then all I can think is that something in the sound drivers has changed for the worse (regression bug) and that's why you lost your sound. -- Regards, Mick Hi Mick, thank you fpr your help !:) I reinitilized with alsactl (I think, the kernel does the same when booting...) and do a alsa-info again (dump at the end of this email). In the meantime I had resorted the snd-card numbering via alsa.conf and get mplayer and vlc working again. But still no sound via usb-audio/webcam. The ordering of the cards is this now: 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 1 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 alsamixer -D hw:0 works, alsamixer -D hw:1 produces: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument alsamixer -D hw:2 starts alsamixer and prints that this device does not have any controsl. So nothing has changed ... Damn... Best regards, mcc upload=truescript=truecardinfo= !! !!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.60 !! !!Script ran on: Sat Jun 4 20:41:11 UTC 2011 !!Linux Distribution !!-- Gentoo Base System release 2.0.2 !!DMI Information !!--- Manufacturer: System manufacturer Product Name: System Product Name Product Version: System Version !!Kernel Information !!-- Kernel release:2.6.39.1 Operating System: GNU/Linux Architecture: x86_64 Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor SMP Enabled: Yes !!ALSA Version !! Driver version: 1.0.24 Library version:1.0.24.1 Utilities version: 1.0.24.2 !!Loaded ALSA modules !!--- snd_hda_intel snd_usb_audio snd_hda_intel !!Sound Servers on this system !! Pulseaudio: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) Running - No ESound Daemon: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/esd) Running - No Jack: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/jackd) Running - No !!Soundcards recognised by ALSA !!- 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 1 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 !!PCI Soundcards installed in the system !!-- 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) 01:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) 01:06.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) 08:00.1 Audio device: nVidia
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
On 4 June 2011, at 09:45, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 01:49:22 +0100, Stroller wrote: So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise. I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, No, only the crap ones. I find K9-Mail otherwise really nice. What are you using? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Caching Proxy alternative to Squid?
On 4 June 2011, at 09:45, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 04.06.2011 02:54, schrieb Stroller: On 3 June 2011, at 09:59, Pandu Poluan wrote: ... Oookay... something's wrong with the box itself... Even Apache TS failed for the pages where Squid failed o_O Time to rebuild the box, then . emerge -e everything! That doesn't help if some config file is bogus. In which case there's no point in reinstalling, either. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 10:19:51PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: diplomatic mode I have a slightly adverse general opinion about the mail client called 'mutt'. I am not saying that this is the fault of its devs nor do I suggesst that there is anything wrong with its users. /diplomatic mode Pine is slightly less gruesome.. Old kmail rocked. It even did well with threads where the thread id was mangled - threading by subject was an option. Haven't looked into the options with the kmail beta I am using at the moment. I am glad that it is more or less stable. Pine is nowhere near being an acceptable mutt replacement, it just isn't powerful or versatile enough. It's been a few years, but I did test a *lot* of MUAs. What the mutt devs say is true: all MUAs suck, but mutt sucks the least. Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become unresponsive at times when dealing with IMAP. It happens in mutt as well, but pretty rarely and mutt can be killed and started fresh in an instant, unlike many others. My experiences with evolution, kmail, thunderbird, and opera were dreadful! Sylpheed (claws-mail, or whatever they call it now) was pretty acceptable, and I used that for quite awhile before switching to mutt. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] autofs
On 4 June 2011, at 16:10, Stéphane Guedon wrote: ... In home network, you share many types of files ! The first I think is DVD iso, which is huge (too large to go through coda) and not streamable... (but I admit it's not the best exemple !) I'm not sure what coda is, but I stream DVD .iso files over Samba to my set-top-box. [1] [2] DVD .iso files are no longer considered huge. There are now people who rip blu-rays to store them on the NAS - those are each c 50gb. Stroller. [1] http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/media-streamers/1281361/ac-ryan-playon-hd-mini [2] http://www.trustedreviews.com/A-C--Ryan-Playon-HD-Mini_Peripheral_review
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi: Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become unresponsive at times when dealing with IMAP. I use Thunderbird and IMAP for 3 years now and in all that time became TB never unresponsive. So this point seems to have improved since your testing. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:44:30PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi: Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become unresponsive at times when dealing with IMAP. I use Thunderbird and IMAP for 3 years now and in all that time became TB never unresponsive. So this point seems to have improved since your testing. That's good to know, thanks. I'm unlikely to switch from mutt (due in part to so many macros and customizations accumulated the last couple of years), but am always keeping an eye out for those I support. Maybe I'll put the next person who complains about evolution on thunderbird and see how they do with it... -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On 4 June 2011, at 12:35, Indi wrote: ... Last time I used Linux on the desktop (in ernest) I had some dreadful problems with KDE crashing or failing to open under certain circumstances, which I found frustrating and impossible to overcome. That was several years ago, and no-one on the mailing list or Usenet group I tried was able to help; I don't think I knew at the time to try the KDE mailing list. That's not a problem with Linux, it's a problem with kde. You're right. I should have said last time I used a Free Software desktop system in earnest. That's once of the reasons I strongly dislike kde4 BTW -- with kde3 most windows users were impressed and easily switched. As you found (and as we see daily on this list), kde4 has yet to achieve that level of carefree stability. I'm afraid I didn't find that at all, sir. This would have been KDE 2, I would guess from the date (c 2001, Mandrake, c v8). People whose first experience with *nix involves kde4 … And then I tried Irix for a while. Maybe a year or so. Currently the biggest thing holding me back from giving Linux another good chance to prove itself to me is basically that Mac OS X is good enough for me. Low standards, or perhaps you just value other things? I find something slightly insulting about your reference to my standards, and I'm having a little trouble articulating quite why. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm used to a person having low standards when his girlfriend is dumb, fat or ugly. That guy has some low standards, man, Did you see the face on her?, Blimey! What about her arse? And this is pretty ridiculous, because you obviously don't know what you're talking about. You clearly wouldn't tolerate using a Mac for even a few weeks - I doubt even a day - so how can you know what it's really like to work with? It's impossible for either of us to know which is the better operating system, without committing several weeks to the project. If you're prepared to do that, then maybe we can arrange a proper comparison. Let me know when your iMac arrives and tell me what window manager you suggest. Does Apple Mail give you the option of wrapping text at a sensible number of characters? Perhaps it's just your settings... My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length. http://linux.stroller.uk.eu.org/Email%20Line%20Wrapping.png One concern about using Linux on the desktop is that I don't think the apps will be as good or as polished as the ones I use currently Never understood the obsession with polish. Either it works properly or it doesn't. There's a difference between functional and working well. To me, this is all about getting things done. Quickly and efficiently. Apparently Apple doesn't give a rat's behind about accessibility issues. Sorry, I don't know anything about accessibility. Another is that (I believe) gestures are not supported in present window managers - presently I can pinch outwards with two fingers to zoom in on an image, or I can swipe with 4 fingers to show an overview of my virtual desktops and open windows. Spreading all 5 fingers shows me the desktop. So I don't like mice, and I was getting pissed off with cleaning my trackball on a daily basis (the ball kinda gets all clogged and slow) … it's hard to find a device with as many buttons as I can make trackpad gestures. You have a keyboard, why the need to pinch something? :) Seriously? You don't have a mouse? Because there are a lot of other people here you could be discussing this with before starting on one of my comments and making this about operating-systems and window managers. We have keyboard shortcuts because sometimes it's quicker not to have to reach for the mouse. Likewise mice have, in recent years, sprouted additional buttons because sometimes it's easier to use one of those than to reach for the keyboard. In some ways multitouch trackpad gestures are simply a whole load more buttons than you have room for on a single mouse. But they are also one of those things that once you get them, you'll never go back. A bit like `screen` (or `tmux`) or using the command-line in general (or digital communication or lots of other great examples that sprung to mind easily before I got distracted, and which I can now no longer recollect). I can't blame you at all for being sceptical, because they definitely don't click immediately, but stick with them a few frustrating days (I did only because my 5 year old desktop died and I was forced to rely on my laptop for a while), and pretty soon you'll be asking yourself how did I live without this? (and perhaps more to the point: how would I live without this?). Nevertheless, there are some things I agree are absolutely shit about OS X. Yes, like FINDER (actually makes windows explorer look almost reasonable), You know, Finder is not as bad as you would imagine. As Alan says - it works exactly how Steve thinks
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:10:02 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design: [snip] Well, something works now. This is threaded as it should be. So, whatever you are doing, keep doing it that away. lol I don't want you to think I was upset or anything. I just went back and noticed you was one of the ones that it was breaking the threads on. Not a problem. In fact, it is not I (or Indi) who is causing the breakage. A little further investigation has shown that the Message-ID: line of all message posted through the Gentoo list server is rewritten, regardless of its initial value. This is why correctly posted messages have the Bastard Operator From Hell designation: the domain name of Gentoo's list server is bofh.it. This also means that those who read this list's messages via email will always see a valid Message-ID: line. Now, one other possible cause of message id mismatch is people posting directly to Usenet as well as through the list server. All NNTP servers should have the newsgroup that is a reflection of this mailing list marked as no posting allowed; certainly news.eternal-september.org is configured that way. However, if a misposted message gets through from another Usenet-registered NNTP server, I will see it with the alternate Message-ID: line, not the one generated by the Gentoo list server. It is messages such as this that cause the breakage in threads when somebody (anybody) reading through an NNTP server posts a follow-up to such a message. So, when you see a breakage in a message thread, it is the message that is the tail-end of the original thread that is causing the breakage, not the message that apparently starts the new thread. I hope all is clear now. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 21:56:52 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Mick, thank you fpr your help !:) You're welcome, although it hasn't done much good I'm afraid. :( I reinitilized with alsactl (I think, the kernel does the same when booting...) and do a alsa-info again (dump at the end of this email). In the meantime I had resorted the snd-card numbering via alsa.conf and get mplayer and vlc working again. But still no sound via usb-audio/webcam. The ordering of the cards is this now: 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 1 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 alsamixer -D hw:0 works, alsamixer -D hw:1 produces: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument alsamixer -D hw:2 starts alsamixer and prints that this device does not have any controsl. So nothing has changed ... Damn... Damn and thrice damn! I am thinking that this Invalid argument is a driver problem. It could be that passing some parameter when loading the module could fix this, but I would not know what that would be. You can run: modinfo snd_usb_audio and see what options are offered there. !!USB Mixer information !!--- --startcollapse-- USB Mixer: usb_id=0x14152000, ctrlif=1, ctlerr=0 Card: OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high Unit: 3 Control: name=Mic Capture Volume, index=0 Info: id=3, control=2, cmask=0xf, channels=4, type=S16 Volume: min=0, max=1, dBmin=0, dBmax=0 --endcollapse-- !!ALSA Device nodes !!- crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 0 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/controlC0 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 32 Jun 4 22:30 /dev/snd/controlC1 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 64 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/controlC2 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 4 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC0D0 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 68 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC2D0 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 69 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC2D1 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 70 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC2D2 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 71 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC2D3 Hmm ... what happened to /dev/snd/hwC1D0, hdC1D1? Should't these be created when udev registers the USB camera? crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 24 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 16 Jun 4 19:41 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 17 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 56 Jun 4 22:30 /dev/snd/pcmC1D0c crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 1 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/seq crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 33 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/timer /dev/snd/by-id: total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Jun 4 22:30 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 360 Jun 4 22:30 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 4 22:30 usb-OmniVision_Technologies__Inc._USB_Camera-B4.04.27.1-01 - ../controlC1 /dev/snd/by-path: total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 100 Jun 4 22:30 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 360 Jun 4 22:30 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 4 22:30 pci-:00:12.2-usb-0:3:1.1 - ../controlC1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 4 15:07 pci-:00:14.2 - ../controlC0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 4 15:07 pci-:08:00.1 - ../controlC2 !!Aplay/Arecord output !! APLAY List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT2020 Digital [VT2020 Digital] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Card 1 absent. ARECORD List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 1: CameraB404271 [USB Camera-B4.04.27.1], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 !!Amixer output !!- [snip ...] !!---Mixer controls for card 1 [CameraB404271] amixer: Mixer load hw:1 error: Invalid argument Card hw:1 'CameraB404271'/'OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high' Mixer name : 'USB Mixer' Components : 'USB1415:2000' Controls : 1 amixer: Mixer hw:1 load error: Invalid argument It refuses to load - this is what I think could be a driver error problem. !!Alsactl output !!- --startcollapse-- --endcollapse-- This should be showing alsactl output and it's not, probably because probing your device fails. Sorry I can't really help to solve this. All I can suggest is contacting alsa M/L and IRC to find out what could be causing it. Good luck. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 21:57:45 +0100, Stroller wrote: I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, No, only the crap ones. I find K9-Mail otherwise really nice. What are you using? K9, it defaults to top-posting, but you can change it. However, you can't edit the text you are quoting, so it is still rather top-posting-centric. -- Neil Bothwick Beware! The end is... aaarrgh! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:09:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length. http://linux.stroller.uk.eu.org/Email%20Line%20Wrapping.png It's not always a readable length. Long lines are much harder to read, that's why newspapers use columns. The accepted width was generally considered to be 2.5 to 3.5 alphabets (not characters because of proportional type) which matches up rather nicely with the 70-odd character generally recommended for mail. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 003: Dynamic linking error - Your mistake is now in every file signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 22:59:32 Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:44:30PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi: Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become unresponsive at times when dealing with IMAP. I use Thunderbird and IMAP for 3 years now and in all that time became TB never unresponsive. So this point seems to have improved since your testing. That's good to know, thanks. I'm unlikely to switch from mutt (due in part to so many macros and customizations accumulated the last couple of years), but am always keeping an eye out for those I support. Maybe I'll put the next person who complains about evolution on thunderbird and see how they do with it... When KDE4 came out I seriously thought of ditching KDE apps and Kmail is the one I use on a daily basis. I looked at other alternatives for a while and ended up coming back to Kmail, despite the need to install KDE4. Kmail version 1.13.7 is very stable for me and does more than what I need from a mail client. More importantly, it does things the way I expect them to do it. ;-) I have looked at mutt some time ago, but then I would also need to install fetchmail and smtp and what not, instead of a single desktop application. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design
Original-Nachricht Von: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk K9, it defaults to top-posting, but you can change it. K9 is the best mobil mailclient. However, you can't edit the text you are quoting, so it is still rather top-posting-centric. Sure you can as you see AT this Mail! -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
[gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design
David W Noon wrote: On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:10:02 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design: [snip] Well, something works now. This is threaded as it should be. So, whatever you are doing, keep doing it that away. lol I don't want you to think I was upset or anything. I just went back and noticed you was one of the ones that it was breaking the threads on. Not a problem. In fact, it is not I (or Indi) who is causing the breakage. A little further investigation has shown that the Message-ID: line of all message posted through the Gentoo list server is rewritten, regardless of its initial value. This is why correctly posted messages have the Bastard Operator From Hell designation: the domain name of Gentoo's list server is bofh.it. This also means that those who read this list's messages via email will always see a valid Message-ID: line. Now, one other possible cause of message id mismatch is people posting directly to Usenet as well as through the list server. All NNTP servers should have the newsgroup that is a reflection of this mailing list marked as no posting allowed; certainly news.eternal-september.org is configured that way. However, if a misposted message gets through from another Usenet-registered NNTP server, I will see it with the alternate Message-ID: line, not the one generated by the Gentoo list server. It is messages such as this that cause the breakage in threads when somebody (anybody) reading through an NNTP server posts a follow-up to such a message. So, when you see a breakage in a message thread, it is the message that is the tail-end of the original thread that is causing the breakage, not the message that apparently starts the new thread. I hope all is clear now. ... as mud! This reply of yours (unlike your previous) is shown as a new thread in Knode, not as a threaded reply to Dale's message. :@ PS. I'm responding using Knode and news.gmane.org as an NNTP server, to see what difference this may make. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Stroller wrote: You know, Finder is not as bad as you would imagine. I don't have to imagine. Bought my first Mac (an SE) in 1987, and my last in 2009. The '87 SE still works, the 2009 mini no longer does and was a buggy piece o' crap all its life. Unusual, yes. I was unlucky. I still use a G4 eMac running Tiger for some audio work, you can't beat macs for that -- but I can't stand to use one as an all-purpose computer. If you have to move large amounts of data around Finder is horrible. Of course it's fine for lite duty use like moving data to your usb stick. And Apple Mail will screw you over, refusing to wrap properly or suddenly composing in html without telling you and after it's already been told text only, etc etc. I've had plenty enough experience using a Mac to give an informed opinion and submit rational observations, thank you. :) Of course, there are *many* conflicting informed opinions, it depends on what you do and how you prefer to do it. For some people OS X is the bee's knees. As for the low standards crack, I apologize if you were offended, it wasn't meant to be serious. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
David W Noon wrote: Not a problem. In fact, it is not I (or Indi) who is causing the breakage. A little further investigation has shown that the Message-ID: line of all message posted through the Gentoo list server is rewritten, regardless of its initial value. This is why correctly posted messages have the Bastard Operator From Hell designation: the domain name of Gentoo's list server is bofh.it. This also means that those who read this list's messages via email will always see a valid Message-ID: line. Now, one other possible cause of message id mismatch is people posting directly to Usenet as well as through the list server. All NNTP servers should have the newsgroup that is a reflection of this mailing list marked as no posting allowed; certainly news.eternal-september.org is configured that way. However, if a misposted message gets through from another Usenet-registered NNTP server, I will see it with the alternate Message-ID: line, not the one generated by the Gentoo list server. It is messages such as this that cause the breakage in threads when somebody (anybody) reading through an NNTP server posts a follow-up to such a message. So, when you see a breakage in a message thread, it is the message that is the tail-end of the original thread that is causing the breakage, not the message that apparently starts the new thread. I hope all is clear now. Oh, so when it gets broken, I need to find the message before that to see where it got messed up. Sorry to use the technical term messed up but it fits rather well. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 23:38:09 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:09:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length. http://linux.stroller.uk.eu.org/Email%20Line%20Wrapping.png It's not always a readable length. Long lines are much harder to read, that's why newspapers use columns. The accepted width was generally considered to be 2.5 to 3.5 alphabets (not characters because of proportional type) which matches up rather nicely with the 70-odd character generally recommended for mail. Strange, on Kmail Indi's text does not wrap as shown in Stroller's screenshot, but extends to the end of the message window just as Stroller's text does. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Mick wrote: ... as mud! This reply of yours (unlike your previous) is shown as a new thread in Knode, not as a threaded reply to Dale's message. :@ PS. I'm responding using Knode and news.gmane.org as an NNTP server, to see what difference this may make. Interesting. Here the thread goes like this: Starts with Indi, then David W Moon and both of us replying to David. Sort of like this in case that doesn't make sense: Indi David reply to Indi Mick reply to David Dale reply to David So what messed up this time? Again, I'm using Seamonkey and I use the defaults on threads, not sure there is anything else either. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:57:44PM -0500, Dale wrote: David W Noon wrote: Not a problem. In fact, it is not I (or Indi) who is causing the breakage. A little further investigation has shown that the Message-ID: line of all message posted through the Gentoo list server is rewritten, regardless of its initial value. This is why correctly posted messages have the Bastard Operator From Hell designation: the domain name of Gentoo's list server is bofh.it. This also means that those who read this list's messages via email will always see a valid Message-ID: line. Now, one other possible cause of message id mismatch is people posting directly to Usenet as well as through the list server. All NNTP servers should have the newsgroup that is a reflection of this mailing list marked as no posting allowed; certainly news.eternal-september.org is configured that way. However, if a misposted message gets through from another Usenet-registered NNTP server, I will see it with the alternate Message-ID: line, not the one generated by the Gentoo list server. It is messages such as this that cause the breakage in threads when somebody (anybody) reading through an NNTP server posts a follow-up to such a message. So, when you see a breakage in a message thread, it is the message that is the tail-end of the original thread that is causing the breakage, not the message that apparently starts the new thread. I hope all is clear now. Oh, so when it gets broken, I need to find the message before that to see where it got messed up. Sorry to use the technical term messed up but it fits rather well. lol I don't think that's quite accurate, but the problem is the MID on usenet does not match the MID used for the mailing list. So if you blame the MID then you could say it was the message I replied to giving my MUA bad information that broke the thread. I tend to see it as I inadvertantly broke the thread due to the mail2news gateway breaking with email conventions -- no actually, due to my inattention (because the workaround is trivial, it just never occurred to me that I needed to watch for that). -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:42:40PM +0100, Mick wrote: I have looked at mutt some time ago, but then I would also need to install fetchmail and smtp and what not, instead of a single desktop application. Actually you can build mutt with the smtp, imap, and pop flags and use mutt's built-in support. It's been working fine for ages, though some purists sneer at breaking the do one thing only and do it well paradigm. I say unless they're running plan9 they've no right to sneer. ;) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: mylinux:/home/useraplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT2020 Digital [VT2020 Digital] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Your camera's sound card is not shown here (stating the obvious). That is for playback devices, which the camera does not contain, so that seems normal. In his arecord -l output it does show the camera as audio capture device.
[gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On 06/04/2011 02:59 PM, Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:44:30PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi: Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become unresponsive at times when dealing with IMAP. I use Thunderbird and IMAP for 3 years now and in all that time became TB never unresponsive. So this point seems to have improved since your testing. That's good to know, thanks. I'm unlikely to switch from mutt (due in part to so many macros and customizations accumulated the last couple of years), but am always keeping an eye out for those I support. Maybe I'll put the next person who complains about evolution on thunderbird and see how they do with it... I've found evolution to be a perfectly fine email client -- but a disaster as an nntp client. Evolution insists on sending outgoing mail and fetching incoming mail *and* fetching all the headers from every newsgroup I read, all at the same time. Fetching the news headers takes for fscking *ever* (not unlike alpine) so I just stopped using evolution and alpine for news. Thunderbird is my every-day news and email client and I don't switch because it just works for me. BTW, evolution claims to be a substitute for the MS Office Outlook suite, so I'm assuming that whatever frustrations I have with evolution probably originate with Outlook. (But I can't support this claim with real evidence.)
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
Mick wrote: On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 23:38:09 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:09:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length. http://linux.stroller.uk.eu.org/Email%20Line%20Wrapping.png It's not always a readable length. Long lines are much harder to read, that's why newspapers use columns. The accepted width was generally considered to be 2.5 to 3.5 alphabets (not characters because of proportional type) which matches up rather nicely with the 70-odd character generally recommended for mail. Strange, on Kmail Indi's text does not wrap as shown in Stroller's screenshot, but extends to the end of the message window just as Stroller's text does. It was here too. I have one more question. What the heck is going on with our email stuff? First broken threads, now word wrapping not working correctly. Did someone break a mirror? O_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 06:37:31PM -0500, Dale wrote: Mick wrote: On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 23:38:09 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:09:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length. http://linux.stroller.uk.eu.org/Email%20Line%20Wrapping.png It's not always a readable length. Long lines are much harder to read, that's why newspapers use columns. The accepted width was generally considered to be 2.5 to 3.5 alphabets (not characters because of proportional type) which matches up rather nicely with the 70-odd character generally recommended for mail. Strange, on Kmail Indi's text does not wrap as shown in Stroller's screenshot, but extends to the end of the message window just as Stroller's text does. It was here too. I have one more question. What the heck is going on with our email stuff? First broken threads, now word wrapping not working correctly. Did someone break a mirror? O_O All mail here is edited in vim, so I know I'm wrapping my text. The quoted text left in in my replies usually appears as is deliberately, as a courtesy. It's always good to verify what one's mail looks like in another MUA. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Saturday 04 June 2011 23:53:50 Mick wrote: ... as mud! This reply of yours (unlike your previous) is shown as a new thread in Knode, not as a threaded reply to Dale's message. :@ PS. I'm responding using Knode and news.gmane.org as an NNTP server, to see what difference this may make. you just started a new thread. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 01:58:12AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2011 23:53:50 Mick wrote: ... as mud! This reply of yours (unlike your previous) is shown as a new thread in Knode, not as a threaded reply to Dale's message. :@ PS. I'm responding using Knode and news.gmane.org as an NNTP server, to see what difference this may make. you just started a new thread. Sorry, I missed that before. I thought you couldn't post from usenet to this group -- news.idividual.net won't let you, I know that. If you *could* get away somehow with posting to this list via usenet that would defintely break the thread, unless you copy the old MID from the X-Original_Message-ID (or whatever it's called) and use that for the In-Reply-To header. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Still haveing problems with audio and guvcview
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [11-06-05 03:02]: On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 21:56:52 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Mick, thank you fpr your help !:) You're welcome, although it hasn't done much good I'm afraid. :( I reinitilized with alsactl (I think, the kernel does the same when booting...) and do a alsa-info again (dump at the end of this email). In the meantime I had resorted the snd-card numbering via alsa.conf and get mplayer and vlc working again. But still no sound via usb-audio/webcam. The ordering of the cards is this now: 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 1 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 alsamixer -D hw:0 works, alsamixer -D hw:1 produces: cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument alsamixer -D hw:2 starts alsamixer and prints that this device does not have any controsl. So nothing has changed ... Damn... Damn and thrice damn! I am thinking that this Invalid argument is a driver problem. It could be that passing some parameter when loading the module could fix this, but I would not know what that would be. You can run: modinfo snd_usb_audio and see what options are offered there. !!USB Mixer information !!--- --startcollapse-- USB Mixer: usb_id=0x14152000, ctrlif=1, ctlerr=0 Card: OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high Unit: 3 Control: name=Mic Capture Volume, index=0 Info: id=3, control=2, cmask=0xf, channels=4, type=S16 Volume: min=0, max=1, dBmin=0, dBmax=0 --endcollapse-- !!ALSA Device nodes !!- crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 0 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/controlC0 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 32 Jun 4 22:30 /dev/snd/controlC1 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 64 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/controlC2 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 4 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC0D0 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 68 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC2D0 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 69 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC2D1 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 70 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC2D2 crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 71 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/hwC2D3 Hmm ... what happened to /dev/snd/hwC1D0, hdC1D1? Should't these be created when udev registers the USB camera? crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 24 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 16 Jun 4 19:41 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 17 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 56 Jun 4 22:30 /dev/snd/pcmC1D0c crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 1 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/seq crw-rw 1 root audio 116, 33 Jun 4 15:07 /dev/snd/timer /dev/snd/by-id: total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Jun 4 22:30 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 360 Jun 4 22:30 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 4 22:30 usb-OmniVision_Technologies__Inc._USB_Camera-B4.04.27.1-01 - ../controlC1 /dev/snd/by-path: total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 100 Jun 4 22:30 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 360 Jun 4 22:30 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 4 22:30 pci-:00:12.2-usb-0:3:1.1 - ../controlC1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 4 15:07 pci-:00:14.2 - ../controlC0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 4 15:07 pci-:08:00.1 - ../controlC2 !!Aplay/Arecord output !! APLAY List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT2020 Digital [VT2020 Digital] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Card 1 absent. ARECORD List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 1: CameraB404271 [USB Camera-B4.04.27.1], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 !!Amixer output !!- [snip ...] !!---Mixer controls for card 1 [CameraB404271] amixer: Mixer load hw:1 error: Invalid argument Card hw:1 'CameraB404271'/'OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high' Mixer name : 'USB Mixer' Components: 'USB1415:2000' Controls : 1 amixer: Mixer hw:1 load error: Invalid argument It refuses to load - this is what I think could be a driver error problem. !!Alsactl output !!- --startcollapse-- --endcollapse-- This should be showing alsactl output and it's not, probably because probing your
