Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 07:45 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au [11-10-12 07:40]: I have been checking my system for some deep seated problems and in the process, ran across the fact that equery files sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 shows a file included called /usr/bin/[ - thats right, left square bracket! Is that a bug or if real, what would you use it for? It doesnt seem to be on the file system ... moriah ~ # /usr/bin/[ /usr/bin/[: missing `]' moriah ~ # doesnt show much! BillK Hi Wiiliam, this is a convenient 'abbreviation' or 'alias' for cobnstructs such this one if [ foo ] then bar fi in shell scripting. Most shells have implemented this as a builtin (and 'test' also) though. HTH! Best regards, mcc GAH! - now I remember ... goes back to my basic unix skills (or lack of :) - must be getting old ... Thanks all. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] SSDs, ext4, fstrim, discard ...
Am 2011-10-12 01:17, schrieb Alan McKinnon: You asked the drive firmware for a favour - to please check if anything can be discarded and if so to discard it. cue Mafia voice a la GodFather The firmware checked that it *could* discard X bytes and then figured well, maybe it will, maybe it won't, maybe it'll do it on it's own good time, but what the heck - tell the user anyway how many bytes X is. Maybe that'll make the user happy so he'll stfu and go away.. The command leads you to believe the discard was actually done, but that's not necessarily true :-) It's probably a case of the drive knows much better than you what it should do. Ah, ok, Mafia implemented now ... ;-) Thanks, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam
Am 12.10.2011 01:16, schrieb Matthew Finkel: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhrjonas.de.b...@gmx.netwrote: Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply). that was not my reason to assume it and i think i made that very clear.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Oct 11 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Weird; for me it works so much better than 3.0. Summary: gdm-3.2.0-r1 crashes and when I revert to the 3.0 gdm, I get to the login screen but then gnome-shell crashes. I tried to downgrade to gnome-shell-3.0.2-r1, but that needs libgnome-menu, which is not in portage/layman. The crash of gdm is described in bug #385525. The crash of gnome-shell is described in the following .xsession-errors file (tracker-miner-fs.log and tracker-store.log are empty). any help would be appreciated. allan Are you running the updated git of gnome-overlay? I had troubles with gnome-settings-daemon until a couple of days. I am running the gnome overlay. I didn't know it had git inside. I am running git 1.7.7. The only packages that won't compile for me (caught by revdep-rebuild are gpointing-device-settings-1.5.1-r2 and totem-plparser-2-32.6). I believe these bugs are not related to the above. Here is the patch to fix totem-pl-parser with the new quvi api https://386651.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=289447action=diffcollapsed=context=patchformat=rawheaders=1 HTH David
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
On 4 October 2011 13:21, Alex Sla 4k3...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Guys, i got a problem build gconf. The problem is somehow emake again o.O emake is merely a wrapper around make - that line means that there was a compile failure. Thanks for attaching your build log, but please try searching through it for Error, and find the actual build error. (hint: line 580 or so). Also: please take more care with Subject lines in emails to the list.
[gentoo-user] Why does procmail need to know what my mailer is?
I was emerging system and world on my laptop after a gcc upgrade. I windowshaded the xterm on my desktop that was ssh'd into the laptop. All that was visible was the bar at the top of the window, with the title indicating that emerge was working on procmail, item 85 of 95. I went away for a couple of hours, touched the shift key to wake up the screen, and saw that emerge was still on procmail... WTF!?!? I opened the xterm and saw that the procmail build had an interactive prompt, waiting for an answer from me... Could not find any mailer. It should be a mailer accepting at least one plain destination address as its only argument (any sendmail compatible mailer will do), and the mail-to-be-sent on stdin. What is your mailer called? (You can override this in config.h) I replied oogabooga and it went on its merry way. I use ssmtp, but I've made 1 tweak to my system. Note the following *DIRECTORIES*... [aa1][root][~] ll /usr/bin/sendmail total 28 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root72 Aug 12 19:07 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 28240 Oct 12 06:36 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug 12 19:07 .keep [aa1][root][~] ll /usr/sbin/sendmail total 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 72 Aug 12 19:08 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 2416 Oct 12 02:23 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 Aug 12 19:08 .keep [aa1][root][~] ll /usr/lib64/sendmail total 27 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root72 Aug 12 19:08 . drwxr-xr-x 46 root root 27464 Oct 12 02:26 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug 12 19:08 .keep [aa1][root][~] My most embarressing incident involving linux was one day when I added a cron job, and it started sending log messages to root. Back then, I didn't know that ssmtp made a sendmail link, let alone 3 of them. ssmtp did its thing, and pushed the messages for root to my ISP's MTA, which forwarded them to my ISP's root inbox. They were not amused. After a few attempts, I finished the game of whack-a-mole and killed all the symlinks, and made sure that it would never happen again. I addition to configuring ssmtp.conf to send root messages to myself, I also made the above directories to prevent symlinks being constructed. Who knows what other programs send mail on a whim. This is the first time I've had this interactive prompt happen with procmail. What gives? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Tue, Oct 11 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Weird; for me it works so much better than 3.0. Summary: gdm-3.2.0-r1 crashes and when I revert to the 3.0 gdm, I get to the login screen but then gnome-shell crashes. I tried to downgrade to gnome-shell-3.0.2-r1, but that needs libgnome-menu, which is not in portage/layman. The crash of gdm is described in bug #385525. The crash of gnome-shell is described in the following .xsession-errors file (tracker-miner-fs.log and tracker-store.log are empty). any help would be appreciated. allan Are you running the updated git of gnome-overlay? I had troubles with gnome-settings-daemon until a couple of days. I believe I have been running the latest overlay. I do an eix-sync every morning and /etc/eix-sync.conf contains -C --ignore-default-opts -C --quiet gnome However, I will run layman --sync-all Can you try to start GNOME with a clean config (no ~/.config, no ~/.local, no ~/.gconf, no ~/.gnome*). I tried that this morning; no improvement Also, in my case, having gnome-shell extensions installed caused me problems when upgrading. I do not have the extensions installed. From the gentoo bug #385525 there is a report that disabling the gnome-shell USE flag for gdm, permits gdm-3.2.0-r1 to run, but does not solve the problem with gnome-shell crashing. I can confirm this behavior and am now running gdm-3.2.0-r1 with gnome-shell disabled. I just now did layman --sync-all emerge --newuse --update --with-bdeps=y world Only libraw and (of course) portage were merged. emerge --depclean found nothing redundant revdep-rebuild still wants to reinstall totem-pl-parser and gpointing-device-settings. Both fail with bugs that (I believe) are unrelated. In a fit of paranoia, I did another reboot at this point. The results were the same: gdm does NOT crash, but gnome-shell DOES Perhaps I have bad USE flags (-gnome-shell is a new change the others are as they have been for quite a while)? oldlap ~ # eix -e gdm; eix -e gnome-shell [I] gnome-base/gdm Available versions: 2.20.11 (~)2.20.11-r1 [M](~)2.32.1 [M](~)2.32.1-r1 {M}(~)3.0.4-r2[1] {M}(~)3.2.0-r1[1] {accessibility afs branding +consolekit debug dmx elibc_glibc fprint gnome-keyring +gnome-shell +introspection ipv6 pam remote selinux smartcard tcpd test xinerama +xklavier} Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](10:55:08 AM 10/12/2011)(accessibility consolekit elibc_glibc introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -debug -fprint -gnome-keyring -gnome-shell -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) Homepage:http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/ Description: GNOME Display Manager [1] gnome /var/lib/layman/gnome [I] gnome-base/gnome-shell Available versions: {M}(~)3.0.2-r1 {M}(~)3.1.4[1] {M}(~)3.2.0-r1[1] {M}**[1] {+nm-applet} Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](10:41:40 PM 10/01/2011) Homepage:http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell Description: Provides core UI functions for the GNOME 3 desktop [1] gnome /var/lib/layman/gnome oldlap ~ # Thanks for you help and patience, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tabbed x11-terms/rxvt-unicode
On 10/11/11 13:58, Francesco Talamona wrote: On Sunday 09 October 2011, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/09/11 13:53, Alan McKinnon wrote: For rxvt, a suitable flag name would be plugins Or if there were some package-specific documentation that said, perl: enable the following plugins (written in perl): tabs, transparency, etc. In fact, that would be my favorite solution. How would you call the flag in this case? If there's documentation telling you what the flag does, you can call it Nancy for all I care. It's the combination I have a problem with: a) ambiguous flag name b) no documentation c) the flag enables basic functionality (tabs, in this case)
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Oct 11 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: For me, gnome 3.2 has been quite a regression over 3.0. Weird; for me it works so much better than 3.0. Summary: gdm-3.2.0-r1 crashes and when I revert to the 3.0 gdm, I get to the login screen but then gnome-shell crashes. I tried to downgrade to gnome-shell-3.0.2-r1, but that needs libgnome-menu, which is not in portage/layman. The crash of gdm is described in bug #385525. The crash of gnome-shell is described in the following .xsession-errors file (tracker-miner-fs.log and tracker-store.log are empty). any help would be appreciated. allan Are you running the updated git of gnome-overlay? I had troubles with gnome-settings-daemon until a couple of days. I believe I have been running the latest overlay. I do an eix-sync every morning and /etc/eix-sync.conf contains -C --ignore-default-opts -C --quiet gnome However, I will run layman --sync-all Can you try to start GNOME with a clean config (no ~/.config, no ~/.local, no ~/.gconf, no ~/.gnome*). I tried that this morning; no improvement Also, in my case, having gnome-shell extensions installed caused me problems when upgrading. I do not have the extensions installed. From the gentoo bug #385525 there is a report that disabling the gnome-shell USE flag for gdm, permits gdm-3.2.0-r1 to run, but does not solve the problem with gnome-shell crashing. I can confirm this behavior and am now running gdm-3.2.0-r1 with gnome-shell disabled. I just now did layman --sync-all emerge --newuse --update --with-bdeps=y world Only libraw and (of course) portage were merged. When you do layman --sync-all, sometimes the ebuilds are updated, but with the same version. Try to recompile every ebuild in the overlay that you have installed in your system. At least, try to recompile gdm, gnome-shell, and all of its direct dependencies, the packages in COMMON_DEPEND, RDEPEND and DEPEND) in the gnome-shell-3.2.0-r1 ebuild. Minus the use enabled where you don't set the use flag, of course. Also: modify /etc/gdm/custom.conf and in the [debug] key set Enable=true. And modify /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop and replace Exec=gnome-session with Exec=gnome-session --debug. Then a lot more info will be available in ~/.xsession-errors, and we will know more. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/bin/[ and coreutils
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:42:00 -0700 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:35 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have been checking my system for some deep seated problems and in the process, ran across the fact that equery files sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 shows a file included called /usr/bin/[ - thats right, left square bracket! Is that a bug or if real, what would you use it for? It doesnt seem to be on the file system ... moriah ~ # /usr/bin/[ /usr/bin/[: missing `]' moriah ~ # doesnt show much! Relax. It's an alias for test technically it's not an alias, but different binaries % ls -l /usr/bin/\[ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 35096 Jan 20 2011 /usr/bin/[ % ls -l /usr/bin/test -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 31000 Jan 20 2011 /usr/bin/test built from the same source file coreutils/src/test.c with a #define LBRACKET that mainly changes the behavior of the argument parser in case it is built as [. , so instead of using if test blah; then ... fi in bash, you can use if [ blah ]; then ... fi Just do /usr/bin/[ --help to get an idea. It has been there since I started using Linux, if I remember correctly, many years ago. Regards.
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, David Abbott wrote: Here is the patch to fix totem-pl-parser with the new quvi api https://386651.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=289447action=diffcollapsed=context=patchformat=rawheaders=1 HTH David Thank you. I follow that bug and know about the patch. Since I don't need totem on that machine, at least for now, I am waiting for this or another patch to make it into the official tree. thanks again, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Why does procmail need to know what my mailer is?
On Wednesday 12 Oct 2011 16:06:03 Walter Dnes wrote: My most embarressing incident involving linux was one day when I added a cron job, and it started sending log messages to root. Back then, I didn't know that ssmtp made a sendmail link, let alone 3 of them. ssmtp did its thing, and pushed the messages for root to my ISP's MTA, which forwarded them to my ISP's root inbox. They were not amused. I have 3 boxen which would not send anything via ssmtp with default settings. All they did was to fill in a /root/dead.letter file with relevant messages instead. After a few attempts, I finished the game of whack-a-mole and killed all the symlinks, and made sure that it would never happen again. I addition to configuring ssmtp.conf to send root messages to myself, I also made the above directories to prevent symlinks being constructed. Who knows what other programs send mail on a whim. Many. Some you have to set up to do so, others when run via cron will email the results (e.g. rkhunter, logrotate, et al). In any case, I had to set up ssmtp to use my gmail account to relay messages before it emailed anything at all. This is the first time I've had this interactive prompt happen with procmail. What gives? Not sure, some one who has procmail set up ought to be able to help here I hope. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: When you do layman --sync-all, sometimes the ebuilds are updated, but with the same version. Try to recompile every ebuild in the overlay that you have installed in your system. At least, try to recompile gdm, gnome-shell, and all of its direct dependencies, the packages in COMMON_DEPEND, RDEPEND and DEPEND) in the gnome-shell-3.2.0-r1 ebuild. Minus the use enabled where you don't set the use flag, of course. Recompiles done. No change 1. If gdm maintains its gnome-shell use flag, it crashes 2. If gdm has -gnome-shell in package.use, it runs but gnome-shell (or something else invoked on login with an empty user) crashes Also: modify /etc/gdm/custom.conf and in the [debug] key set Enable=true. And modify /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop and replace Exec=gnome-session with Exec=gnome-session --debug. Then a lot more info will be available in ~/.xsession-errors, and we will know more. Done. Output below (naturally this is with the gnome-shell use flag disabled. I notice that I have the default accessibility use flag on. I am tempted to turn it off to reduce the number of packages involved. Any downside? Not that I know of. Can you please backup /var/lib/gdm, and clean the directory completely? Don't erase the directory, just its contents (including *ALL* the hidden files); gdm needs this directory to start, and it's gid gdm and uid gdm. After you have cleaned it, recompile gdm with the gnome-shell and try again. I still don't see why gnome-shell is not starting, but gdm may have problems with its user config (which is stored in /var/lib/gdm), and *maybe* gnome-shell cannot start correctly if gdm is not built with the gnome-shell use flag. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 16:58:37 Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: When you do layman --sync-all, sometimes the ebuilds are updated, but with the same version. Try to recompile every ebuild in the overlay that you have installed in your system. At least, try to recompile gdm, gnome-shell, and all of its direct dependencies, the packages in COMMON_DEPEND, RDEPEND and DEPEND) in the gnome-shell-3.2.0-r1 ebuild. Minus the use enabled where you don't set the use flag, of course. Recompiles done. No change 1. If gdm maintains its gnome-shell use flag, it crashes 2. If gdm has -gnome-shell in package.use, it runs but gnome-shell (or something else invoked on login with an empty user) crashes Also: modify /etc/gdm/custom.conf and in the [debug] key set Enable=true. And modify /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop and replace Exec=gnome-session with Exec=gnome-session --debug. Then a lot more info will be available in ~/.xsession-errors, and we will know more. Done. Output below (naturally this is with the gnome-shell use flag disabled. gnome-shell segfaults. I remember some problems with gnome-shell and GL from the dri-devel-ML. What video-card are you using? Drivers/version? Is there any other WM you can start, execute gnome-shell --replace in a console and dump the output here? Could you try running gnome in fallback-mode? Afaik you can enable this with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback thanks again, allan Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I notice that I have the default accessibility use flag on. I am tempted to turn it off to reduce the number of packages involved. Any downside? Not that I know of. Can you please backup /var/lib/gdm, and clean the directory completely? Don't erase the directory, just its contents (including *ALL* the hidden files); gdm needs this directory to start, and it's gid gdm and uid gdm. I cleaned it. Then built gdm with the gnome-shell flag. This slightly repopulated the directory (see ls -lAR below). After you have cleaned it, recompile gdm with the gnome-shell and try again. I still don't see why gnome-shell is not starting, but gdm may have problems with its user config (which is stored in /var/lib/gdm), and *maybe* gnome-shell cannot start correctly if gdm is not built with the gnome-shell use flag. Regards. gdm again failed (oh no, something has gone wrong) upon restart. To be certain, I did a reboot, gdm failed again, and then *really* cleaned the directory (including the files put there by the emerge) It again failed. I tried an emerge --newuse --update --with-bdeps=y world, this complained because qt-gui didn't have the accessibility flag. So I put back accessibility and redid the update world. As expected only gdm was rebuilt. I restarted gdm (via xdm as usual) and the same failure occurred. I can't get gdm to run with the gnome-shell use flag. What use flags do you have for gdm? Here is mine Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](05:47:00 PM 10/12/2011)(accessibility consolekit elibc_glibc gnome-shell introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -debug -fprint -gnome-keyring -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) thanks for all your efforts, allan oldlap ~ # cd /var/lib/gdm oldlap gdm # ls -lRA .: total 16 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:26 .config drwxr-x--T 2 root gdm 4096 Oct 12 17:26 .gconf.mandatory -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 365 Oct 12 17:26 .gconf.path drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:26 .local ./.config: total 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 gdm gdm 4096 Oct 12 17:26 dconf ./.config/dconf: total 0 ./.gconf.mandatory: total 20 -rw-rT 1 root gdm 16968 Oct 12 17:26 %gconf-tree.xml ./.local: total 4 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:26 share ./.local/share: total 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 gdm gdm 4096 Oct 12 17:26 applications ./.local/share/applications: total 0 oldlap gdm #
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: gnome-shell segfaults. I remember some problems with gnome-shell and GL from the dri-devel-ML. What video-card are you using? Drivers/version? Is there any other WM you can start, execute gnome-shell --replace in a console and dump the output here? Could you try running gnome in fallback-mode? Afaik you can enable this with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback Actually the gnome-shell segfault is the 2nd problem. gdm crashes with Oh no, a problem has occurred unless its gnome-shell use flag is disabled, which could possibly be the cause of gnome-shell failing. Canek has suggested we attack the gdm problem (see other msgs in this thread) and that is the current plan. Unfortunately we are still not there. In bug 385525, those who needed -gnome-shell for gdm could then not get gnome-shell to run (i.e., just like me). It does seem that many are successfully running gdm so I must have something wrong in my setup. What use flags did you build gdm with. Here is mine Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](05:47:00 PM 10/12/2011)(accessibility consolekit elibc_glibc gnome-shell introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -debug -fprint -gnome-keyring -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) thanks for the help, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I notice that I have the default accessibility use flag on. I am tempted to turn it off to reduce the number of packages involved. Any downside? Not that I know of. Can you please backup /var/lib/gdm, and clean the directory completely? Don't erase the directory, just its contents (including *ALL* the hidden files); gdm needs this directory to start, and it's gid gdm and uid gdm. I cleaned it. Then built gdm with the gnome-shell flag. This slightly repopulated the directory (see ls -lAR below). After you have cleaned it, recompile gdm with the gnome-shell and try again. I still don't see why gnome-shell is not starting, but gdm may have problems with its user config (which is stored in /var/lib/gdm), and *maybe* gnome-shell cannot start correctly if gdm is not built with the gnome-shell use flag. Regards. gdm again failed (oh no, something has gone wrong) upon restart. To be certain, I did a reboot, gdm failed again, and then *really* cleaned the directory (including the files put there by the emerge) It again failed. The files would reappear everytime you run gdm; they are its configuration files. I tried an emerge --newuse --update --with-bdeps=y world, this complained because qt-gui didn't have the accessibility flag. So I put back accessibility and redid the update world. As expected only gdm was rebuilt. I restarted gdm (via xdm as usual) and the same failure occurred. I can't get gdm to run with the gnome-shell use flag. What use flags do you have for gdm? Here is mine Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](05:47:00 PM 10/12/2011)(accessibility consolekit elibc_glibc gnome-shell introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -debug -fprint -gnome-keyring -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) thanks for all your efforts, It's really weird; can I see /var/log/messages (or whatever logger file you have)? With Enable=true in the [debug] key on /etc/gdm/custom.conf, we should be able to see why gdm is dying. My flags are: Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](05:20:40 PM 10/11/2011)(consolekit elibc_glibc gnome-keyring gnome-shell introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -accessibility -debug -fprint -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) Mmmh. I didn't even know you could remove gnome-keyring from gdm. If you are using GNOME, I don't see no reason to disable it. Maybe try it? Anyhow, the logs from gdm failing should tell us something. I don't think is the video, like Michael suggested; supposedly gnome-shell would detect that. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 18:02:16 Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: gnome-shell segfaults. I remember some problems with gnome-shell and GL from the dri-devel-ML. What video-card are you using? Drivers/version? Is there any other WM you can start, execute gnome-shell --replace in a console and dump the output here? Could you try running gnome in fallback-mode? Afaik you can enable this with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback Actually the gnome-shell segfault is the 2nd problem. gdm crashes with Oh no, a problem has occurred unless its gnome-shell use flag is disabled, which could possibly be the cause of gnome-shell failing. Couldn't it be the other way round? gdm crashes with gnome-shell use-flag set, because gnome-shell segfaults? It runs without the flag, because in this case there's no dep to the shell. Canek has suggested we attack the gdm problem (see other msgs in this thread) and that is the current plan. Unfortunately we are still not there. Imo both problems are related (see above). In bug 385525, those who needed -gnome-shell for gdm could then not get gnome-shell to run (i.e., just like me). It does seem that many are successfully running gdm so I must have something wrong in my setup. What use flags did you build gdm with. Here is mine Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](05:47:00 PM 10/12/2011)(accessibility consolekit elibc_glibc gnome-shell introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -debug -fprint -gnome-keyring -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) Well, I do not use gnome :) But I am quite good in reading logs, coredumps and things like that :) thanks for the help, allan Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 15:08:18 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Anyhow, the logs from gdm failing should tell us something. I don't think is the video, like Michael suggested; supposedly gnome-shell would detect that. Well Canek, you are wrong about that. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6833430.html Boot with fallback works for him, also using nouveau instead nvidia-blobs. Regards. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 15:08:18 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Anyhow, the logs from gdm failing should tell us something. I don't think is the video, like Michael suggested; supposedly gnome-shell would detect that. Well Canek, you are wrong about that. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6833430.html Boot with fallback works for him, also using nouveau instead nvidia-blobs. Look at that. Then it's possible that gnome-shell is failing with some drivers/cards. The logs from gdm should give us more information. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: It's really weird; can I see /var/log/messages (or whatever logger file you have)? With Enable=true in the [debug] key on /etc/gdm/custom.conf, we should be able to see why gdm is dying. The output is below My flags are: Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](05:20:40 PM 10/11/2011)(consolekit elibc_glibc gnome-keyring gnome-shell introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -accessibility -debug -fprint -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) Mmmh. I didn't even know you could remove gnome-keyring from gdm. If you are using GNOME, I don't see no reason to disable it. Maybe try it? OK I will add it to my use flags. That machine has profile linux/x86/10.0. My real machine has profile linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/gnome. Clearly the x86 vs amd64 is right, but I could(?) change my profile to desktop/gnome. But that sounds like a big change that could open a can of worms. My main machine (running gnome 2 not 3) has the gnome-keyring use flag for gdm) Anyhow, the logs from gdm failing should tell us something. I don't think is the video, like Michael suggested; supposedly gnome-shell would detect that. I should have said that the video is working. The blue drapery appears for a second before we get the black screen with the oh no msg. Here are the logs (update word with gnome-keyring is running now). thanks, allan Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GdmSignalHandler: handling signal 15 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GdmSignalHandler: Found 1 callbacks Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GdmSignalHandler: running 15 handler: 0x8061f11 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): Got callback for signal 15 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: Logout called Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmShell: Not connected to the shell Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: requesting logout Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: ending phase RUNNING Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: starting phase QUERY_END_SESSION Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: Client /org/gnome/SessionManager/Client1 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: sending query-end-session to clients (logout mode: forceful) Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmDBusClient: sending QueryEndSession signal to :1.2 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: adding client to query clients: /org/gnome/SessionManager/Client1 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): Caught signal 15, shutting down normally. Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GdmSignalHandler: Done handling signals Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmDBusClient: obj_path=/org/gnome/SessionManager/Client1 interface=org.gnome.SessionManager.ClientPrivate method=EndSessionResponse Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmDBusClient: got EndSessionResponse is-ok:1 reason= Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: Response from end session request: is-ok=1 do-last=0 cancel=0 reason= Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: query end session complete Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmShell: Not connected to the shell Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: ending phase QUERY_END_SESSION Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: starting phase END_SESSION Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: adding client to end-session clients: /org/gnome/SessionManager/Client1 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmDBusClient: obj_path=/org/gnome/SessionManager/Client1 interface=org.gnome.SessionManager.ClientPrivate method=EndSessionResponse Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmDBusClient: got EndSessionResponse is-ok:1 reason= Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: Response from end session request: is-ok=1 do-last=0 cancel=0 reason= Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: ending phase END_SESSION Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: starting phase EXIT Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: stopped client: /org/gnome/SessionManager/Client1 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: disconnect client: /org/gnome/SessionManager/Client1 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmManager: in shutdown, not restarting application Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmStore: Unreffing object: 0x80ae508 Oct 12 17:47:42 oldlap gnome-session[3822]: DEBUG(+): GsmClient:
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 18:02:16 Allan Gottlieb wrote: Actually the gnome-shell segfault is the 2nd problem. gdm crashes with Oh no, a problem has occurred unless its gnome-shell use flag is disabled, which could possibly be the cause of gnome-shell failing. Couldn't it be the other way round? gdm crashes with gnome-shell use-flag set, because gnome-shell segfaults? It runs without the flag, because in this case there's no dep to the shell. Does gnome-shell run before a user logs in? Well, I do not use gnome :) But I am quite good in reading logs, coredumps and things like that :) Indeed you are. thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Allan Gottlieb wrote: Here are the logs (update word with gnome-keyring is running now). The update world (sorry for the typo above) with gnome-keyring finished and again gdm flashes the blue curtain of life before having its oh, no death. The video card is intel, build into X11 no external blob. allan
[gentoo-user] Which sound codecs do I need?
I'm installing Gentoo on an older Intel Core2 Duo machine from Dell for some testing. Checking with lspci -v from the install CD shows... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Dell Inspiron 530 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 43 Memory at fdff4000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Capabilities: [130] Root Complex Link Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel In make menuconfig I get a whole slew of codecs, i.e... CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_REALTEK CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_ANALOG CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_SIGMATEL CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_VIA CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_HDMI CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_CIRRUS CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_CONEXANT CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_CA0110 CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_CMEDIA CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_SI3054 The only one I'm confident eliminating is CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_HDMI due to the help saying Say Y here to include HDMI and DisplayPort HD-audio codec. This is an older machine, and doesn't have a card or chip with HDMI and/or DisplayPort. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: It's really weird; can I see /var/log/messages (or whatever logger file you have)? With Enable=true in the [debug] key on /etc/gdm/custom.conf, we should be able to see why gdm is dying. The output is below My flags are: Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](05:20:40 PM 10/11/2011)(consolekit elibc_glibc gnome-keyring gnome-shell introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -accessibility -debug -fprint -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) Mmmh. I didn't even know you could remove gnome-keyring from gdm. If you are using GNOME, I don't see no reason to disable it. Maybe try it? OK I will add it to my use flags. That machine has profile linux/x86/10.0. My real machine has profile linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/gnome. Clearly the x86 vs amd64 is right, but I could(?) change my profile to desktop/gnome. But that sounds like a big change that could open a can of worms. My main machine (running gnome 2 not 3) has the gnome-keyring use flag for gdm) Anyhow, the logs from gdm failing should tell us something. I don't think is the video, like Michael suggested; supposedly gnome-shell would detect that. I should have said that the video is working. The blue drapery appears for a second before we get the black screen with the oh no msg. Yeah, but Michael suggested that gnome-shell is crashing with your particular combination of card/drivers. It is possible, for the quick search I did for this problem. What it is true is that gnome-shell is dying when gdm calls it: Oct 12 17:47:48 oldlap gnome-session[15888]: DEBUG(+): GsmXSMPClient: IceProcessMessagesIOError on '0x80aa870 [gnome-shell 106560af3f298b1c44131845606491723015888]' If it is related to the video card/driver that you use, try reemerging cogl and clutter; it doesn't matter that a world upgrade don't want to reemerge it, sometimes the ebuilds change without changing versions. My versions and useflags of cogl and clutter are: # emerge -1pv clutter cogl These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ~] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 USE=doc examples introspection pango -debug -test 0 kB [1] [ebuild R ~] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=doc introspection -debug 0 kB [1] Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 18:02:16 Allan Gottlieb wrote: Actually the gnome-shell segfault is the 2nd problem. gdm crashes with Oh no, a problem has occurred unless its gnome-shell use flag is disabled, which could possibly be the cause of gnome-shell failing. Couldn't it be the other way round? gdm crashes with gnome-shell use-flag set, because gnome-shell segfaults? It runs without the flag, because in this case there's no dep to the shell. Does gnome-shell run before a user logs in? Yes: that's the reason it dies on you with the +gnome-shell use flag. Well, I do not use gnome :) But I am quite good in reading logs, coredumps and things like that :) Indeed you are. thanks, allan -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Allan Gottlieb wrote: Here are the logs (update word with gnome-keyring is running now). The update world (sorry for the typo above) with gnome-keyring finished and again gdm flashes the blue curtain of life before having its oh, no death. The video card is intel, build into X11 no external blob. OK, *that* is weird. What's your card? Mine is: # lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) driver: # eix x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel [I] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel Available versions: 2.8.1 2.9.1 ~2.10.0-r1 ~2.11.0 2.13.0 2.14.0 2.15.0-r1 ~2.16.0 {debug dri sna} Installed versions: 2.15.0-r1(01:11:05 PM 09/05/2011)(dri) Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ Description: X.Org driver for Intel cards Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If it is related to the video card/driver that you use, try reemerging cogl and clutter; it doesn't matter that a world upgrade don't want to reemerge it, sometimes the ebuilds change without changing versions. My versions and useflags of cogl and clutter are: # emerge -1pv clutter cogl These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ~] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 USE=doc examples introspection pango -debug -test 0 kB [1] [ebuild R ~] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=doc introspection -debug 0 kB [1] I had remerged clutter earlier today and just did cogl. Mu use flags are basically the same as yours Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=introspection -debug -doc 0 kB [1] [ebuild R] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 USE=introspection pango -debug -doc -examples -test 0 kB [1] I am using the same driver as you but a different version (mine is one newer) and I don't have the sna use flag. I might not have access to the machine an longer today, but will try. thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If it is related to the video card/driver that you use, try reemerging cogl and clutter; it doesn't matter that a world upgrade don't want to reemerge it, sometimes the ebuilds change without changing versions. My versions and useflags of cogl and clutter are: # emerge -1pv clutter cogl These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ~] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 USE=doc examples introspection pango -debug -test 0 kB [1] [ebuild R ~] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=doc introspection -debug 0 kB [1] I had remerged clutter earlier today and just did cogl. Mu use flags are basically the same as yours Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=introspection -debug -doc 0 kB [1] [ebuild R] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 USE=introspection pango -debug -doc -examples -test 0 kB [1] I am using the same driver as you but a different version (mine is one newer) and I don't have the sna use flag. I might not have access to the machine an longer today, but will try. thanks, allan I forgot to say that with the remerged clutter and cogl, gdm still crashes. I just rebuilt the driver downgraded to 2.15.0-r1. I specified sna in package.use but still it was merged without it. This configuration still has gdm crashing [U] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel Available versions: 2.8.1 2.9.1 (~)2.10.0-r1 (~)2.11.0 2.13.0 2.14.0 2.15.0-r1 (~)2.16.0 {debug dri sna} Installed versions: 2.15.0-r1(09:27:44 PM 10/12/2011)(dri) Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ allan
[gentoo-user] zram / compcache, anyone?
Just stumbled upon this blog: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html anyone got any experience with zram/compcache on Gentoo? Rgds,
[gentoo-user] Re: Which sound codecs do I need?
On 10/13/2011 02:35 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm installing Gentoo on an older Intel Core2 Duo machine from Dell for some testing. Checking with lspci -v from the install CD shows... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Dell Inspiron 530 Well, since you're too busy to use Google, let me do that for you ;-) http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/inspd530/en/OM/HTML/appendix.htm The sound chip is a Realtek ALC888. I'm sure this is all the info needed to select the correct driver.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Which sound codecs do I need?
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 10/13/2011 02:35 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm installing Gentoo on an older Intel Core2 Duo machine from Dell for some testing. Checking with lspci -v from the install CD shows... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Dell Inspiron 530 Well, since you're too busy to use Google, let me do that for you ;-) http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/inspd530/en/OM/HTML/appendix.htm The sound chip is a Realtek ALC888. I'm sure this is all the info needed to select the correct driver. Or lspci -k would tell what driver the CD was using, if sound worked which I bet it did. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If it is related to the video card/driver that you use, try reemerging cogl and clutter; it doesn't matter that a world upgrade don't want to reemerge it, sometimes the ebuilds change without changing versions. My versions and useflags of cogl and clutter are: # emerge -1pv clutter cogl These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies ... done! [ebuild R ~] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 USE=doc examples introspection pango -debug -test 0 kB [1] [ebuild R ~] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=doc introspection -debug 0 kB [1] I had remerged clutter earlier today and just did cogl. Mu use flags are basically the same as yours Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=introspection -debug -doc 0 kB [1] [ebuild R ] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 USE=introspection pango -debug -doc -examples -test 0 kB [1] I am using the same driver as you but a different version (mine is one newer) and I don't have the sna use flag. I might not have access to the machine an longer today, but will try. thanks, allan I forgot to say that with the remerged clutter and cogl, gdm still crashes. I just rebuilt the driver downgraded to 2.15.0-r1. I specified sna in package.use but still it was merged without it. This configuration still has gdm crashing [U] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel Available versions: 2.8.1 2.9.1 (~)2.10.0-r1 (~)2.11.0 2.13.0 2.14.0 2.15.0-r1 (~)2.16.0 {debug dri sna} Installed versions: 2.15.0-r1(09:27:44 PM 10/12/2011)(dri) Homepage: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ What's the output of lspci | grep VGA? And just to cover all the bases: what versions do you have of: xorg-server xorg-drivers mesa If you are using a newer version of xf86-video-intel, then you are (probably) using unstable X.org. I am not; GNOME 3.2 I had it unmasked, X.org I got it stable. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México