Re: [gentoo-user] The Root Block Device is unspecified or not detected - PCMCIA card CD Boot on Sony Vaio
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 02:36 +, Stroller wrote: On Oct 29, 2005, at 10:52 pm, A. Khattri wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Richard Watson wrote: Hi - I have an old Sony Vaio I thought to run Gentoo on with X. The CD drive is attached to a PCMCIA card. When the LiveCD boots it seems to go OK up until mounting root at which point I get the error The Root Block Device is unspecified or not detected and then I'm offerred to either shell or specify a /dev. I've tried gentoo-nofb dopcmcia ide=nodma but no luck. I'm a bit stuck at this point does anyone have any suggestions how I could make the install CD boot? Thanks, Richard What sort of PCMCIA card? SCSI? I have this idea it's not SCSI. Sony sold this CD-ROM-on-a-string for their sub-notebook Viaos of the PII - PIII era. I think the PMCIA card optical driver were both hardwired to the cable and it was certainly never implied that the PCMCIA card might be used with any other kind of drive. Google finds a photo at http://www.allnotebooks.ru/img/compl/51.gif I installed Gentoo on a Pentium II 400 Vaio Picturebook, the Sony with a 6 widescreen (1024 x 480??) but never had one of these CD-Roms available, only the floppy drive. In fact I cheated resorted to removing the hard-drive installing Gentoo on it using a desktop PC before returning the drive to the laptop. I think it might be possible to avoid this by installing from stage 3 - that mostly just needs to be unpacked onto a Linux-formatted partition, doesn't it? There are surely Linux distros that'll boot on this device so a pre-compiled kernel could be copied across from another machine and then only grub needs to be run, I think. Richard: does Knoppix boot from this CD-Rom drive? An Ubuntu LiveCD? Perhaps it might be worth trying an older (2003, 2004) Gentoo install CD. A Google for parallel port cd-rom linux returns, amongst others, this page http://cyberelk.net/tim/parport/paride.html so I reckon your drive is probably supported by the kernel. Stroller. Hey Stroller ... You got the model in 1 ...! I think you're correct. I'm going to try and use partition magic under Windows 2000 which is the OS it came with to create my partitions and install a stage 3. I'll let you know how I go. Hopefully having an EXT2 partition will help Knoppix start properly. Thanks, Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video iPod
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:12:07 + Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the reply!!! Do you know how to physically transfer the video to the iPod? I cant seem to figure out how... I dont think I saw it on the thread... Thanks again!! ~Ian AFAIK you mount the ipod like any other USB disk device and cp or mv the file to the appropriate directory. Or use gtkpod or the like to transfer it. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Trying to install a cable modem connection.
I figured out what the problem was. I hadn't changed the interfaces file in shorewall to point to eth1 instead of ppp0 (the old adsl connection). Shorewall was blocking the connection. Once I corrected this, I was up and running Thanks On 2005-10-29 20:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Here's where I get a little stuck. My internet programs are not recognising this eth1 connection. What step do I need to perform in order to get the internet connection working? A good starting point may be taking a look at the kernel IP routing table -- that's what route is for. You probably want to use its -n switch to disable host name lookups. You want a route with destination 0.0.0.0, genmask 0.0.0.0 (means CIDR network 0/0, or default upstream) and gateway somewhere in the range 24.88.247.x (24.88.247/24), going through (iface) eth1. Without it, your system will not be able to talk to anything outside of your little corner of Road Runner's network. If you have such a route, then running traceroute (also with -n) towards a known valid IP address should give you some clue as to where the problem is. You may also want to look at any iptables rule sets you may have; that's iptables -L -n (list, numerical). If you can connect to an IP address but not using a DNS name, that leaves just name resolution (/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf under hosts:, as I recall).
Re: [gentoo-user] arts crasheing: FIXED!
Hi again, I figured out that artsd was crashing because I was trying to play a .ogg without having emerged kdemultimedia with the vorbis USE flag set. I added the USE flag, reemerged kdemultimedia (which wasn't autoemerge when I did emerge -ND world??) and artsd stopped crashing. So I guess, the more USE flags, the marrier. HOnestly though, is there some kind of standard set of flags one should have enabled? Also, maybe there could be a standard way of telling the user that the feature is disabled because of a USE flag instead of just crashing. Cheers, Ben PS. The things you learn after hours and hours of messing with the system... Not sure if it's worth it... --- Schleimer, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm using kde-base/arts-3.4.1-r2 as my kde sound server. Unfortunately, it keeps crashing whenever i enable it. I've attached the backtrace it gave me but I can't make any sense of it. Is there a way to emerge arts as a debug executable? Thanks, Ben Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. - Brian W. Kernighan Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. - Brian W. Kernighan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Is that better? And while we are on the matter what is top posting? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
My reply being on top of what you wrote. Some people like it on the bottom. I guess someone will be upset no matter which way you do it. I just like the top so that I don't have to scroll down. My mouse wheel leaves a little to be desired. Dale Ryan Viljoen wrote: Is that better? And while we are on the matter what is top posting? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Ok if he is getting anal about whether I reply on the top or on the bottom then tough luck. It makes more sense to me that it is on the top since: a) you dont need to scroll b) if you have been following the thread then you know whats been said already and if you cant remember you can scroll down to read the message. c) the only time i will do it in reverse is when quoting what has been said. END! On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My reply being on top of what you wrote. Some people like it on the bottom. I guess someone will be upset no matter which way you do it. I just like the top so that I don't have to scroll down. My mouse wheel leaves a little to be desired. Dale Ryan Viljoen wrote: Is that better? And while we are on the matter what is top posting? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- When you say I wrote a program that crashed Windows, people just stare at you blankly and say Hey, I got those with the system, for free. - Linus Torvalds, 1995 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] LTSP vs. Diskless Nodes
On 30 October 2005 00:58, Ryan Viljoen wrote: Thank you both Bob and Uwe that gives me something to think about. Uve I am from South Africa. Summer is going to be a scortcher I am fearing December January. It's already bloody hot here. Back on topic, I am helping out my old High School and they are wanting to setup thin clients in all the class rooms for the teachers. There is an existing thin client setup there now but the clients tend to hang on a regular basis. I suspect it is due to NFS because at times you get the connection error message until it resumes the connection. Either way they have tasked me to replace it or fix it, personally I would prefer to replace it such that I can standardise it with the other linux machines. I'd suggest you go with OpenLab (http://www.getopenlab.com). Everything is already set up for thin clients. Plus, they have a shitload of educational content. Uwe -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] giflib vs. libungif
On 30 October 2005 00:53, Peter Ruskin wrote: Correct, it was dirty. I've since found out that libungif can coexist with giflib if you have -gif in your USE flags. I finally settled with gif USE flag and: But that's dirty, too. Now you are telling all packages that might use gif not to. Uwe -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
On 30 October 2005 06:05, Glenn Enright wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:42, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: app-misc/secure-delete Description: Secure file/disk/swap/memory erasure utilities Just out of interest, I understand ext3 is pretty good at eliminating old data during delete, because the data structure is so abstract? So in this case a simple rm and poof files gone? Or are forensics beyond this now? With the right hardware, forensics are *far* beyond this. Uwe -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
I agree with your reasons but some of the others have reasons too. I do like my reason better though. LOL I put LOL for those who read text only and not HTML. LOL, again. I don't think anybody is getting anal about it. I always look at it this way, if someone doesn't want to help me with something, I don't want their help anyway. I help because I like it not because someone has a gun to my head, or top posts. If someone bottom posts, I'll scroll down and see if I can help. I do wish someone would pick a way and let it be the only way though. It gets confusing when some top post and some bottom post. That really wears out my mouse wheel. Go down, read a bit, then go up and read a bit, then back down again, repeat, repeat. That is when it gets confusing. Dale :-) Ryan Viljoen wrote: Ok if he is getting anal about whether I reply on the top or on the bottom then tough luck. It makes more sense to me that it is on the top since: a) you dont need to scroll b) if you have been following the thread then you know whats been said already and if you cant remember you can scroll down to read the message. c) the only time i will do it in reverse is when quoting what has been said. END! On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My reply being on top of what you wrote. Some people like it on the bottom. I guess someone will be upset no matter which way you do it. I just like the top so that I don't have to scroll down. My mouse wheel leaves a little to be desired. Dale Ryan Viljoen wrote: Is that better? And while we are on the matter what is top posting? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- "When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for free". - Linus Torvalds, 1995
[gentoo-user] xfce and qt-themes
Hello, How can i easly manage qt-themes on xfce? qtconfig is not so nice ;] It will be the best if qt apps would have the same theme as i use in xfce. -- Best Regards, Peper -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
I post mine on top so I assume that is top posting. Correct? Now you will see what I mean by mixing the two. LOL Dale Ted Kaczmarek wrote: On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 03:31 -0600, Dale wrote: I agree with your reasons but some of the others have reasons too. I do like my reason better though. LOL I put LOL for those who read text only and not HTML. LOL, again. I don't think anybody is getting anal about it. I always look at it this way, if someone doesn't want to help me with something, I don't want their help anyway. I help because I like it not because someone has a gun to my head, or top posts. If someone bottom posts, I'll scroll down and see if I can help. I do wish someone would pick a way and let it be the only way though. It gets confusing when some top post and some bottom post. That really wears out my mouse wheel. Go down, read a bit, then go up and read a bit, then back down again, repeat, repeat. That is when it gets confusing. Dale :-) Than why did you top post? Ted
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module
On Thursday 27 October 2005 22:12, Qian Qiao wrote: On 10/27/05, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Qian Qiao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:20 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module I doubt it's kernel related, I'm on a amd64 with 2.6.13-r3 here. And nvidia-kernel 6626-r4 runs fine. Seems it is: Thread from another user who experienced the problem: http://www.usenetlinux.com/archive/topic.php/t-495527.html The bug on it posted in Gentoo bugzilla: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104369 Regards, Bob Young Indeed, the comments in the bug report from b.g.o could've explained it. I had RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=yes. And from the comments, a few ways to possibly fix the problem: a) set RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=yes, then run /sbin/NVmakedevices.sh once. or b) add code if [ ! -e /dev/nvidia0 ]; then /sbin/NVmakedevices.sh fi /code to your /etc/conf.d/local.start -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... yes this was the very problem with me too. trying other versions of the driver didn't work, but running /sbin/NVmakedevices.sh solved the problem, and having added if [ ! -e /dev/nvidia0 ]; then /sbin/NVmakedevices.sh fi to my local.start now all is working fine. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 10 help
On Sunday 30 October 2005 05:42, Qiangning Hong wrote: Did you use mdadm to make the arrays? No, I create /etc/raidtab by hand and run mkraid for each md device, following the steps of http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_Install_on_Software_RAID You can ignore any howto that tells you to use raidtab, it's almost completely unnecessary. Use mdadm to create a RAID10 array, not a RAID0 of 2 RAID1s. If you have the drivers all compiled in, and give the partitions the correct partition type (fd, linux raid autodetect), they'll get built by the kernel on startup. -- Mike Williams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Ok, i top post, just for you, :)Imagine someone who wasn't following the thread need to do to pick up this thread:1. Scroll all the way to the bottom, read Ted's message.2. Scroll a bit upwards, to read you message 3. Then scroll all the way to the top, to read mine.I can hardly say it is *logical* to read a thread backwards. Another example: try to name one forum/BBS system that displays the newest reply on the top when viewing a thread. BTW,how did you likemy HTML? I bet you enjoyed it. You just don't understand that most people dislike top-posting and HTML messages for a reason. You've got every right to use whatever you wish in your personal mails, but this is a public list, try to be considerate mate. -- JoeOn 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I post mine on top so I assume that is top posting.Correct?Now you will see what I mean by mixing the two. LOL Dale Ted Kaczmarek wrote: On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 03:31 -0600, Dale wrote: I agree with your reasons but some of the others have reasons too. Ido like my reason better though. LOL I put LOL for those who readtext only and not HTML. LOL, again.I don't think anybody is getting anal about it. I always look at itthis way, if someone doesn't want to help me with something, I don'twant their help anyway. I help because I like it not because someonehas a gun to my head, or top posts. If someone bottom posts, I'llscroll down and see if I can help.I do wish someone would pick a way and let it be the only way though.It gets confusing when some top post and some bottom post. Thatreally wears out my mouse wheel. Go down, read a bit, then go up andread a bit, then back down again, repeat, repeat. That is when itgets confusing.Dale:-) Than why did you top post?Ted -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world:Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything.Sometimes money can't even buy a gun...
Re: [gentoo-user] The Root Block Device is unspecified or not detected - PCMCIA card CD Boot on Sony Vaio
Hi, On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:57:28 +1000 Richard Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Gentoo on a Pentium II 400 Vaio Picturebook, the Sony with a 6 widescreen (1024 x 480??) but never had one of these CD-Roms available, only the floppy drive. In fact I cheated resorted to removing the hard-drive installing Gentoo on it using a desktop PC before returning the drive to the laptop. I think it might be possible to avoid this by installing from stage 3 - that mostly just needs to be unpacked onto a Linux-formatted partition, doesn't it? There are surely Linux distros that'll boot on this device so a pre-compiled kernel could be copied across from another machine and then only grub needs to be run, I think. [...] Hey Stroller ... You got the model in 1 ...! I think you're correct. I'm going to try and use partition magic under Windows 2000 which is the OS it came with to create my partitions and install a stage 3. I'll let you know how I go. Hopefully having an EXT2 partition will help Knoppix start properly. Thanks, Richard I'm running Gentoo on my picturebook happily since about 2 or 3 years now. Just ask if there are more problems. I can give you a kernel patch for the neomagic frame buffer driver to have it support the 480px display height... BTW, @Stroller: it's a 10 widescreen, 6 would be a little too small... I did use a one-floppy distro that time to do the initial fdisk and mke2fs, copying over and unpacking the stage-File. I just forget which floppy distro I used, but it supported my PCMCIA-CDROM (not sony, so I hadn't even the choice to try booting from it) and my network adapter. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, i top post, just for you, :) You can post how you like. Please dont change your ways on my accord. Imagine someone who wasn't following the thread need to do to pick up this thread: 1. Scroll all the way to the bottom, read Ted's message. 2. Scroll a bit upwards, to read you message 3. Then scroll all the way to the top, to read mine. I can hardly say it is *logical* to read a thread backwards. Another example: try to name one forum/BBS system that displays the newest reply on the top when viewing a thread. BTW, how did you like my HTML? I bet you enjoyed it. Um did you not read my previous message? Obviously not, mate... I agree with you on the HTML, gmail enabled it by default. I disabled it after you pointed it out, so thank you. You just don't understand that most people dislike top-posting and HTML messages for a reason. You've got every right to use whatever you wish in your personal mails, but this is a public list, try to be considerate mate. Quite honestly top, middle or bottom posting all seems indifferent to me. Correct me if I am wrong here but I thought the information was the important part of the message not whether it is located at the top or at the bottom? Hmmm guess I was wrong, I now be more considerate and concern myself with the layout of my messages rather then helping people. In the interests of keeping you happy and god forbid all other people who are more concerned with layout happy I will cease my evil ways of top posting. Rav -- When you say I wrote a program that crashed Windows, people just stare at you blankly and say Hey, I got those with the system, for free. - Linus Torvalds, 1995 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Qian Qiao wrote: Ok, i top post, just for you, :) Imagine someone who wasn't following the thread need to do to pick up this thread: 1. Scroll all the way to the bottom, read Ted's message. 2. Scroll a bit upwards, to read you message 3. Then scroll all the way to the top, to read mine. I can hardly say it is *logical* to read a thread backwards. Another example: try to name one forum/BBS system that displays the newest reply on the top when viewing a thread. BTW, how did you like my HTML? I bet you enjoyed it. You just don't understand that most people dislike top-posting and HTML messages for a reason. You've got every right to use whatever you wish in your personal mails, but this is a public list, try to be considerate mate. -- Joe On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I post mine on top so I assume that is top posting. Correct? Now you will see what I mean by mixing the two. LOL Dale Ted Kaczmarek wrote: On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 03:31 -0600, Dale wrote: I agree with your reasons but some of the others have reasons too. I do like my reason better though. LOL I put LOL for those who read text only and not HTML. LOL, again. I don't think anybody is getting anal about it. I always look at it this way, if someone doesn't want to help me with something, I don't want their help anyway. I help because I like it not because someone has a gun to my head, or top posts. If someone bottom posts, I'll scroll down and see if I can help. I do wish someone would pick a way and let it be the only way though. It gets confusing when some top post and some bottom post. That really wears out my mouse wheel. Go down, read a bit, then go up and read a bit, then back down again, repeat, repeat. That is when it gets confusing. Dale :-) Than why did you top post? Ted -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... I did see a forum once that lets you put the posts in reverse order, most recent at the top. I would sort of like that. I'm on a very slow dial-up and I can likely read the new post before the rest of the page can even load up. I'm not a rocket scientist but I can usually remember what's going on in a thread or list like this one. If I don't remember it, then I wasn't following it anyway. How you like this on the bottom? LOL Dale
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Personally, If I think I'm helping someone, I don't care if they top or bottom post or post like you did below, middle posting I guess. I certainly won't care if someone is helping me. The one thing that confuses me is keeping up with who is who. I'm awful at names. I have to work at it to get my girlfriends name right. I actually have it plastered on my monitor to remind me. Just to be safe, I call her Sweety. Don't get me wrong though, I love her dearly but I suck at names. I'm good at remembering faces though. I may not know their name but I know I know them. Confusing huh? If someone wants me to reply on the bottom, say so, I'll scroll down and type away. I'm not sweating this at all. I find it sort of funny really. All this over where to type. LOL, for those text users. :-D for those HTML users. Dale ROTFLMAO!!! Ryan Viljoen wrote: On 10/30/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, i top post, just for you, :) You can post how you like. Please dont change your ways on my accord. Imagine someone who wasn't following the thread need to do to pick up this thread: 1. Scroll all the way to the bottom, read Ted's message. 2. Scroll a bit upwards, to read you message 3. Then scroll all the way to the top, to read mine. I can hardly say it is *logical* to read a thread backwards. Another example: try to name one forum/BBS system that displays the newest reply on the top when viewing a thread. BTW, how did you like my HTML? I bet you enjoyed it. Um did you not read my previous message? Obviously not, mate... I agree with you on the HTML, gmail enabled it by default. I disabled it after you pointed it out, so thank you. You just don't understand that most people dislike top-posting and HTML messages for a reason. You've got every right to use whatever you wish in your personal mails, but this is a public list, try to be considerate mate. Quite honestly top, middle or bottom posting all seems indifferent to me. Correct me if I am wrong here but I thought the information was the important part of the message not whether it is located at the top or at the bottom? Hmmm guess I was wrong, I now be more considerate and concern myself with the layout of my messages rather then helping people. In the interests of keeping you happy and god forbid all other people who are more concerned with layout happy I will cease my evil ways of top posting. Rav -- "When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for free". - Linus Torvalds, 1995
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/30/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can post how you like. Please dont change your ways on my accord. I was replying Dale's message, :) Um did you not read my previous message? Obviously not, mate... I agree with you on the HTML, gmail enabled it by default. I disabled it after you pointed it out, so thank you. I did, and as said before, I was replying Dale's message. Quite honestly top, middle or bottom posting all seems indifferent to me. Correct me if I am wrong here but I thought the information was the important part of the message not whether it is located at the top or at the bottom? Hmmm guess I was wrong, I now be more considerate and concern myself with the layout of my messages rather then helping people. In the interests of keeping you happy and god forbid all other people who are more concerned with layout happy I will cease my evil ways of top posting. You see, you've just shown an example of the problem top posting could've caused, you weren't even aware that I was replying Dale's message. Let me put things this way: 1. Starting a flame wasn't what was intended, I was merely trying to tell you that it is considered by most people, not just me, that HTML and top-posting should be avoided. 2. I do help people if I can, whether they top-post and HTML or not. 3. The information is important, so don't let how it's presentated ruin it. As I've said earlier, many people still use command line for their emails, when you ask for help or propose a wonderful idea through a HTML message, it just make us feel isolated, :P, simply because our client can't parse HTML. Furthermore, HTML messages could cause security issuses. Personally, i think it is natural, for others who want to know a thread is about to starting from the OP, then go down to see the replies, isn't it? And top-posting will force them to start from the bottom. Eeew, bottom, :P I don't know where you get the idea that being considerate in a list will stop you from helping people or getting helps. :) It does just the opposite. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did see a forum once that lets you put the posts in reverse order, most recent at the top. I would sort of like that. I'm on a very slow dial-up and I can likely read the new post before the rest of the page can even load up. That wasn't the default setting, was it? :) It's for people with special needs. Another thing, plain text message might save you precious bandwidth, :) especially for dial-up users. I'm not a rocket scientist but I can usually remember what's going on in a thread or list like this one. If I don't remember it, then I wasn't following it anyway. So you don't pick up threads half way? Nor do you search list archives? Hmmm How you like this on the bottom? LOL Progress, :) Trimming will make it even clearer, and reader friendly. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
Rob schrieb: Is there a gentoo port that does this kind of stuff? dd if=/dev/zero of=file rm file Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
Dale schrieb: Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get it back even after you have wrote alternating 1's and 0's to the drive a dozen times. Where have you heard that? I don't think they can do that. I wonder how they do that? Me too. Dale P.S. I like to top post, does this tick anybody? Yes, it does. VERY MUCH SO. I also prefer top posters since my email opens at the top instead of the bottom anyway. Bullocks. You scroll down while reading and at the interesting parts, you insert your comment. Just like I did now with those two sentences. Saves me from having to scroll down. Hard do see, to which part you're refering in a quote. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, If I think I'm helping someone, I don't care if they top or bottom post or post like you did below, middle posting I guess. I certainly won't care if someone is helping me. If you were asking for help, you might as well ask for it nicely. :) The one thing that confuses me is keeping up with who is who. I'm awful at names. I have to work at it to get my girlfriends name right. I actually have it plastered on my monitor to remind me. Just to be safe, I call her Sweety. Don't get me wrong though, I love her dearly but I suck at names. I'm good at remembering faces though. I may not know their name but I know I know them. Confusing huh? Bottom posting will help. :) As least it will help keeping everything in context, you'll know exactly which paragraph I am answering. If someone wants me to reply on the bottom, say so, I'll scroll down and type away. I'm not sweating this at all. I find it sort of funny really. All this over where to type. LOL, for those text users. :-D for those HTML users. Yeah, mankind also had talks on where to pee, where to smoke, where to have sex and stuff. Keep laughing mate. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Dale schrieb: My reply being on top of what you wrote. Yep. Some people like it on the bottom. Not really. Full quotes are - at least on mailinglist - very bad. It's easy to go back to the original post to see what's been written there. I guess someone will be upset no matter which way you do it. I just like the top so that I don't have to scroll down. You don't have to scroll. My mouse wheel leaves a little to be desired. What wheel? Is that better? And while we are on the matter what is top posting? Why did you quote that in full? Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Quoting Styles (was: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging)
Ryan Viljoen schrieb: Ok if he is getting anal about whether I reply on the top or on the bottom then tough luck. It makes more sense to me that it is on the top since: a) you dont need to scroll You don't need to anyway. And if you're full quoting, you can as well quote NOTHING at all. Makes just as much sense and shows how wrong that quoting style is... b) if you have been following the thread then you know whats been said already Yep. But with normal quoting style (ie. what I'm doing here), there's less need for reudundancy. c) the only time i will do it in reverse is when quoting what has been said. Exactly. And since you should (close to) never do full quotes, you'll never do full quotes. END! On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My reply being on top of what you wrote. Some people like it on the bottom. I guess someone will be upset no matter which way you do it. I just like the top so that I don't have to scroll down. My mouse wheel leaves a little to be desired. Dale Ryan Viljoen wrote: Is that better? And while we are on the matter what is top posting? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Don't quote signatures, please. -- When you say I wrote a program that crashed Windows, people just stare at you blankly and say Hey, I got those with the system, for free. - Linus Torvalds, 1995 Wrong signature delimiter. It is -- \n, and nothing else. -- Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob schrieb: Is there a gentoo port that does this kind of stuff? dd if=/dev/zero of=file rm file I'm a noob on journaling file systems, won't the file be recovered if the journal is re-played? When we erase a file like that, don't we have to figure out a way to erase the journal entry too? Or does the journaling work differently? -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Quoting styles (was: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging)
Ted Kaczmarek schrieb: Than why did you top post? More importantly: Why do you full quote? Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Quoting styles (was: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging)
Dale schrieb: I agree with your reasons I don't. Totally wrong. In every aspect. but some of the others have reasons too. I do like my reason better though. LOL I put LOL for those who read text only and not HTML. LOL, again. Don't send out HTML, please. Especially, if you don't make use of HTML features, as it then only wastes bandwidth with nothing useful being added. I do wish someone would pick a way and let it be the only way though. Yep. And it should NOT be your way. Full quotes don't make sense. It gets confusing when some top post and some bottom post. Yep. Then don't do it. That really wears out my mouse wheel. Go down, read a bit, then go up and read a bit, then back down again, repeat, repeat. That is when it gets confusing. Yep. That's why bullshit like this shouldn't be done. Quotes should be done in the way I do it. Not because I do it (that's no reason), but because that's the way it's been done for a long time and (more) importantly, because it's been proven to be good. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Scroll to the bottom OK. LOL Qian Qiao wrote: On 10/30/05, Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/30/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can post how you like. Please dont change your ways on my accord. I was replying Dale's message, :) Um did you not read my previous message? Obviously not, mate... I agree with you on the HTML, gmail enabled it by default. I disabled it after you pointed it out, so thank you. I did, and as said before, I was replying Dale's message. Quite honestly top, middle or bottom posting all seems indifferent to me. Correct me if I am wrong here but I thought the information was the important part of the message not whether it is located at the top or at the bottom? Hmmm guess I was wrong, I now be more considerate and concern myself with the layout of my messages rather then helping people. In the interests of keeping you happy and god forbid all other people who are more concerned with layout happy I will cease my evil ways of top posting. You see, you've just shown an example of the problem top posting could've caused, you weren't even aware that I was replying Dale's message. Let me put things this way: 1. Starting a flame wasn't what was intended, I was merely trying to tell you that it is considered by most people, not just me, that HTML and top-posting should be avoided. 2. I do help people if I can, whether they top-post and HTML or not. 3. The information is important, so don't let how it's presentated ruin it. As I've said earlier, many people still use command line for their emails, when you ask for help or propose a wonderful idea through a HTML message, it just make us feel isolated, :P, simply because our client can't parse HTML. Furthermore, HTML messages could cause security issuses. Personally, i think it is natural, for others who want to know a thread is about to starting from the OP, then go down to see the replies, isn't it? And top-posting will force them to start from the bottom. Eeew, bottom, :P I don't know where you get the idea that being considerate in a list will stop you from helping people or getting helps. :) It does just the opposite. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... It was there but I get so much mail that it is hard to keep up with, plus I'm doing several other things too. I'm not just talking about spam either. I'm on about 20 forums, several lists etc etc etc. Add in that my Mozilla is doing some strange stuff with the order in my box. I'm not sure what is going on. Sometimes I get mail that is old compared to what I already have. Maybe it's my ISP's mailserver or something. shrugs You have a point but I'm not the only one that top posts. Like I said earlier we need one way that everybody has to use so everybody knows what to expect. Imagine getting in a car and having the brake and gas pedal switched. I can get used to either way myself. We are NOT flaming. I find it funny in a way. Others may flame, I'm not. I state my views and carry on. My girlfriend likes that too. She knows she can tell me anything and I'm OK as long as she is not hurt or threatened, then someone else has a problem, about 160 lbs of kick butt I might add. I'm super protective when it comes to her. She only weighs about 95 lbs. O_O She's eats good though. Her daughter is slender too. Hope you don't think I'm mad. I'm to busy laughing. LOL Hope you aren't either. Dale
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Qian Qiao wrote: On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did see a forum once that lets you put the posts in reverse order, most recent at the top. I would sort of like that. I'm on a very slow dial-up and I can likely read the new post before the rest of the page can even load up. That wasn't the default setting, was it? :) It's for people with special needs. Another thing, plain text message might save you precious bandwidth, :) especially for dial-up users. I'm not a rocket scientist but I can usually remember what's going on in a thread or list like this one. If I don't remember it, then I wasn't following it anyway. So you don't pick up threads half way? Nor do you search list archives? Hmmm How you like this on the bottom? LOL Progress, :) Trimming will make it even clearer, and reader friendly. What is trimming? Now I am middle posting. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... My reply is up a little bit below your Progress meter. LOL Crap I need broadband. :( Dale
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
On Sunday 30 October 2005 04:17, Dale wrote: Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get it back even after you have wrote alternating 1's and 0's to the drive a dozen times. I wonder how they do that? Magnetic remnants. I don't imagine there would be a whole lot left after bit flipping a dozen times, nor do I understand the process, but if you're determined enough and have the time/funds/skill who knows. Smash the drive with a sledge hammer, and you can still retrieve lots. -- Mike Williams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
On Sunday 30 October 2005 09:08, Uwe Thiem wrote: With the right hardware, forensics are *far* beyond this. The NSA *crush* old hardware. You ever seen a car crushed? Complete car, engine, drive train, interior, wheels, everything, crushed into a cube less than a meter cubed. I'd use one of them, and crush lots in one go. Or melt it down. -- Mike Williams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel updates
* On 27.10.2005 Qian Qiao wrote: P.S. is there an easy way to confirm which kernel source (gentoo/vanilla) was originally installed? # cat /var/lib/portage/world grep sys-kernel UUOC The above command should give you the kernel(s) you've emerged. Normally the above command should do the trick. But there's a special case where it doesn't work, though. If you installed with the portage option '--oneshot' the package isn't recorded to the world file. Then you're still be able to confirm the package, though, if we're imagin that /var/log/emerge.log hasn't been touched (read: hasn't been rotated or such): % grep sys-kernel /var/log/emerge.log should do the trick then So long, tkr -- ... at least I thought I was dancing, 'til somebody stepped on my hand. -- J. B. White signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Alexander Skwar wrote: Dale schrieb: I agree with your reasons I don't. Totally wrong. In every aspect. but some of the others have reasons too. I do like my reason better though. LOL I put LOL for those who read text only and not HTML. LOL, again. Don't send out HTML, please. Especially, if you don't make use of HTML features, as it then only wastes bandwidth with nothing useful being added. I do wish someone would pick a way and let it be the only way though. Yep. And it should NOT be your way. Full quotes don't make sense. It gets confusing when some top post and some bottom post. Yep. Then don't do it. That really wears out my mouse wheel. Go down, read a bit, then go up and read a bit, then back down again, repeat, repeat. That is when it gets confusing. Yep. That's why bullshit like this shouldn't be done. Quotes should be done in the way I do it. Not because I do it (that's no reason), but because that's the way it's been done for a long time and (more) importantly, because it's been proven to be good. Alexander Skwar Well, I'm trying to find out where to change it in Mozilla. I'm not having any luck either. I know I saw it once but I left it like it was. I don't change to many settings unless they are just something I see here, desktop settings or something. I just joined this thing so I have no idea how it has been done in the past, I just got here. Dale
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is trimming? Now I am middle posting. Deleting the bits that are out of context, to keep the message relatively smaller in size. Dial-up users benefit from trimming and not using HTML, :) When we trim, especially on mailing lists, we trim other's signatures, just to keep things neat. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Dale wrote: Well, I'm trying to find out where to change it in Mozilla. I'm not having any luck either. I know I saw it once but I left it like it was. I don't change to many settings unless they are just something I see here, desktop settings or something. I just joined this thing so I have no idea how it has been done in the past, I just got here. Dale I found it. Is this better? I'm a bottom feeder, um poster. LOL I even took out some of the clutter above. Who cares anyway. Dale -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel updates
On 10/30/05, Tim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * On 27.10.2005 Qian Qiao wrote: # cat /var/lib/portage/world grep sys-kernel UUOC I stand corrected. grep sys-kernel /var/lib/portage/world is a neater way. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dale wrote: I found it. Is this better? I'm a bottom feeder, um poster. LOL I even took out some of the clutter above. Well done, :) Trimming could be extremely useful, when you see a thread with over 30 replies. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Qian Qiao wrote: Well done, :) Trimming could be extremely useful, when you see a thread with over 30 replies. -- Joe Honestly, I like it all together in one place. That way you don't have to dig for it. I delete emails that are more than a week or so old. I do save the ones that have passwords to sites I have joined or something but the rest are generally gone. I do see your point. It makes it easier on the server and on us poor dial-up users. I duno. Makes me no difference. The setting is under mail and server settings by the way. Your sig confuses me. Three kinds of people but it only lists two. Where's the third? Is this where spammers get my email address? I notice it puts it in this thing. I'm going to take a bath and soak a while. I have a skin disease and cool/cold weather makes it mad. :( Later Dale -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: Honestly, I like it all together in one place. That way you don't have to dig for it. I delete emails that are more than a week or so old. I do save the ones that have passwords to sites I have joined or something but the rest are generally gone. I do see your point. It makes it easier on the server and on us poor dial-up users. I duno. Makes me no difference. You don't have to keep the messages, archive of this list can be found on the net. The setting is under mail and server settings by the way. Your sig confuses me. Three kinds of people but it only lists two. Where's the third? Think harder, :P That's where your sense of humour come in. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem emerging realplayer-10.0.6
Hi, Download the file directly with the browser and put it in /usr/portage/distfiles Catalin Schleimer, Ben wrote: Hi, I'm trying to emerge realplayer-10.0.6 and it's not behaving properly: Emerge media-video/realplayer-10.0.6 started... Started emerge on: Oct 29, 2005 22:15:41 emerge --nospinner =media-video/realplayer-10.0.6 emerge (1 of 1) media-video/realplayer-10.0.6 to / (1 of 1) Cleaning (media-video/realplayer-10.0.6::/usr/portage/media-video/realplayer/realplayer-10.0.6.ebuild) (1 of 1) Compiling/Merging (media-video/realplayer-10.0.6::/usr/portage/media-video/realplayer/realplayer-10.0.6.ebuild) Downloading https://helixcommunity.org/download.php/1589/RealPlayer-10.0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm --22:15:42-- https://helixcommunity.org/download.php/1589/RealPlayer-10.0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm = `/usr/portage/distfiles/RealPlayer-10.0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm'' 207.188.25.135 Connecting to helixcommunity.org|207.188.25.135|:443... connected. ERROR: Certificate verification error for helixcommunity.org: unable to get local issuer certificate To connect to helixcommunity.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate''. Unable to establish SSL connection. !!! Couldn''t download RealPlayer-10.0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm. Aborting. ...done! emerge (1 of 1) media-video/realplayer-10.0.6 to / terminating. Is there a way to work around this?? Thanks for the help, Ben "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel updates
* On 30.10.2005 Qian Qiao wrote: # cat /var/lib/portage/world grep sys-kernel I have corrupted your command, but realized it too late, sorry. You originally have written: # cat /var/lib/portage/world | grep sys-kernel UUOC I stand corrected. grep sys-kernel /var/lib/portage/world is a neater way. You don't need the less-than here. grep can work directly on the file. % grep sys-kernel /var/lib/portage/world So long, tkr -- You know you're using the computer too much when: You try and use wget to pick up that pizza. -- snakattak3 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel updates
On 10/30/05, Tim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't need the less-than here. grep can work directly on the file. % grep sys-kernel /var/lib/portage/world doh, :) So long, tkr -- You know you're using the computer too much when: You try and use wget to pick up that pizza. -- snakattak3 -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Qian Qiao wrote: On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't have to keep the messages, archive of this list can be found on the net. It can? Oh. I didn't know that. The setting is under mail and server settings by the way. Your sig confuses me. Three kinds of people but it only lists two. Where's the third? Think harder, :P That's where your sense of humour come in. Are you accusing me of having a sense of humor? LOL Maybe I'm the third kind. scratches head -- Joe I'm about to ask for some help here. Get ready for a new thingy. Dale
[gentoo-user] ERROR: app-text/xmlto-0.0.18 failed.
OK. I run into this a lot. I have had it. I'm about to try unmergeing this puppy and seeing what breaks. This is what I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge xmlto Calculating dependencies ...done! emerge (1 of 1) app-text/xmlto-0.0.18 to / md5 files ;-) xmlto-0.0.17.ebuild md5 files ;-) xmlto-0.0.18.ebuild md5 files ;-) files/xmlto-head-fix.patch md5 files ;-) files/digest-xmlto-0.0.17 md5 files ;-) files/digest-xmlto-0.0.18 md5 src_uri ;-) xmlto-0.0.18.tar.bz2 Unpacking source... Unpacking xmlto-0.0.18.tar.bz2 to /var/tmp/portage/xmlto-0.0.18/work Source unpacked. ./configure --prefix=/usr --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --datadir=/usr/share --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var/lib --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for a BSD-compatible install... /bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc... i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc accepts -g... yes checking for i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc... gcc3 checking whether i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc and cc understand -c and -o together... yes checking for flex... flex checking for yywrap in -lfl... yes checking lex output file root... lex.yy checking whether yytext is a pointer... yes checking for mktemp program... mktemp checking for GNU find program... find checking for bash... bash checking for getopt program... getopt checking whether getopt handles long options... yes configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating xmlto config.status: creating xmlto.spec config.status: creating config.h config.status: executing depfiles commands make all-am make[1]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/xmlto-0.0.18/work/xmlto-0.0.18' if i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -march=athlon-xp -O3 -MT xmlif/xmlif.o -MD -MP -MF "xmlif/.deps/xmlif.Tpo" -c -o xmlif/xmlif.o `test -f 'xmlif/xmlif.c' || echo './'`xmlif/xmlif.c; \ then mv -f "xmlif/.deps/xmlif.Tpo" "xmlif/.deps/xmlif.Po"; else rm -f "xmlif/.deps/xmlif.Tpo"; exit 1; fi i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -march=athlon-xp -O3 -Wl,-z,now -o xmlif/xmlif xmlif/xmlif.o for xml in xmlif.xml xmlto.xml; do \ FORMAT_DIR=./format XSL_DIR=./xsl \ bash ./xmlto -o man/man1 man ./doc/$xml ; \ done || ( RC=$?; cat ./FAQ; exit $RC ) warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl" compilation error: file /var/tmp/portage/xmlto-0.0.18/temp/xmlto-xsl.yEIJEw line 4 element import xsl:import : unable to load http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl" compilation error: file /var/tmp/portage/xmlto-0.0.18/temp/xmlto-xsl.aU9hdU line 4 element import xsl:import : unable to load http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/manpages/docbook.xsl Q: I'm trying to build xmlto on my Debian box, but it doesn't work. A: If you get `Attempt to load network entity' errors when building xmlto, your system does not have the required support for XML Catalogs (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/entity/spec-2001-08-06.html). In particular, Debian has no support for these. Try the Fedora Project http://fedora.redhat.com. make[1]: *** [man/man1/xmlto.1] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/xmlto-0.0.18/work/xmlto-0.0.18' make: *** [all] Error 2 !!! ERROR: app-text/xmlto-0.0.18 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 27, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status message. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I put in the whole thing just in case. I started a thread a long time ago on the Gentoo forums and it is yet to be fixed, that I can see anyway. Is there a trick to this thing or can I remove it? I did a emerge -ev system and it still does it. This is my USE line in make.conf: USE="acl acpi alsa amd arts artsd artswrappersuid cdr chroot clanJavaScript dbus doc ethereal f-prot fdftk gaim gcj gimpprint gkrellm gphoto2 gtk gtkhtml hbci hpijs innodb java _javascript_ jbig justify kde mmx mozdomi mozilla mysql ofx offensive openoffice -oss parse-clocks ppds pysol scanner scribus tcltk tiff tkinter truetype tuxracer udev usb X xml xprint yahoo 3dnow " If you need more info, let me know. I'll go fetch it. Commands might be nice though. I'll be a bottom poster for you too. LOL Thanks Dale
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: It can? Oh. I didn't know that. www.gmane.org Are you accusing me of having a sense of humor? LOL Maybe I'm the third kind. scratches head Here's the answer: cos I can't count, :P -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
LOOK I'M TOP POSTING IN ALL CAPS, OMG YOU MIGHT DIE I don't know why ppl just want to bitch about top posting and HTML? Sure back when we were all on an old external hays 9600 it was irritating to download all that extra crap. But adding a few extra kb doesnt mean much now, get over yourself, and just FYI I rarely ever top post, and I never use HTML e-mail. I did this in hopes that you would have a coronary and die. Youre just one of those people that do nothing all day, but find fault with everything. How bout for once you actually help somebody, instead of feeding your own superiority complex. Look at me Im perfect, I type plaintext, I dont top post AND I know how to use a console to read my e-mail! I am so much better than you. Yield to my superiority!! You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. Now you want to know a waste of bandwidth, look you quoted this whole e-mail just to say stop wasting a few kb. Oh and by the way most console based e-mail clients can parse HTML, learn to configure your client instead of making everyone comply with your every whim. Thats all I wanted to say as for the Eterm problem, looks like imlib should be re-emerged, then Eterm should link fine. Have a nice day. Could you try not to send HTML messages to the list? A big portion of us read our emails under command line, and people like me don't have a brain that can parse the HTML and make sense of it before my finger hits the delete button. Also please try to avoid top posting. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Owned, lmao. On 10/30/05, Nicholas Hockey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOOK I'M TOP POSTING IN ALL CAPS, OMG YOU MIGHT DIE I don't know why ppl just want to bitch about top posting and HTML? Sure back when we were all on an old external hays 9600 it was irritating to download all that extra crap. But adding a few extra kb doesn't mean much now, get over yourself, and just FYI I rarely ever top post, and I never use HTML e-mail. I did this in hopes that you would have a coronary and die. You're just one of those people that do nothing all day, but find fault with everything. How 'bout for once you actually help somebody, instead of feeding your own superiority complex. Look at me I'm perfect, I type plaintext, I don't top post AND I know how to use a console to read my e-mail! I am so much better than you. Yield to my superiority!! You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. Now you want to know a waste of bandwidth, look you quoted this whole e-mail just to say stop wasting a few kb. Oh and by the way most console based e-mail clients can parse HTML, learn to configure your client instead of making everyone comply with your every whim. That's all I wanted to say… as for the Eterm problem, looks like imlib should be re-emerged, then Eterm should link fine. Have a nice day. -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Well, I'm on 26K dial-up which ain't a whole lot better. You should see me downloading Open Office. It takes three nights to get it all. Oh, we don't have anything else where I live. There is no cable modem or DSL here and likely won't be for a long time either I'm sorry to say. I top posted for you though. LOL I'm going to bed. It's after 9:00AM and I've been up all night. Later Dale Qian Qiao wrote: Owned, lmao. On 10/30/05, Nicholas Hockey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOOK I'M TOP POSTING IN ALL CAPS, OMG YOU MIGHT DIE I don't know why ppl just want to bitch about top posting and HTML? Sure back when we were all on an old external hays 9600 it was irritating to download all that extra crap. But adding a few extra kb doesn't mean much now, get over yourself, and just FYI I rarely ever top post, and I never use HTML e-mail. I did this in hopes that you would have a coronary and die. You're just one of those people that do nothing all day, but find fault with everything. How 'bout for once you actually help somebody, instead of feeding your own superiority complex. "Look at me I'm perfect, I type plaintext, I don't top post AND I know how to use a console to read my e-mail! I am so much better than you. Yield to my superiority!!" You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. Now you want to know a waste of bandwidth, look you quoted this whole e-mail just to say stop wasting a few kb. Oh and by the way most console based e-mail clients can parse HTML, learn to configure your client instead of making everyone comply with your every whim. That's all I wanted to say… as for the Eterm problem, looks like imlib should be re-emerged, then Eterm should link fine. Have a nice day. -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] arts crasheing: FIXED!
Schleimer, Ben schreef: Hi again, I figured out that artsd was crashing because I was trying to play a .ogg without having emerged kdemultimedia with the vorbis USE flag set. Well, that makes sense. Congratulations! I added the USE flag, reemerged kdemultimedia (which wasn't autoemerge when I did emerge -ND world??) If kdemultimedia wasn't emerged by itself, but rather as a direct dependency-- of amarok, for example-- you would need -u (--update) to catch it. Emerge world itself handles items directly in the world file (in this example amarok) and --deep handles deep dependencies (such as kcontrols, which is a direct dependency of konqueror, which is a direct dependency of amarok, which makes kcontrols a deep/indirect dependency of amarok, since kcontrols is required for one of amarok's direct dependencies to run). --update catches the direct dependencies of the program in your world file, and in fact it's not too wise to update --deep without -u as well, since that kinda reinforces the very crown of the pyramid (the packages directly in your world file), and the very foundation (indirect/deep dependencies of the packages in your world file), without reinforcing the middle(direct dependencies of the packages in your world file), which can lead to errors of ommision (a library gets updated without the package that depends on that library being updated, and so the package that depends on the library crashes the application that depends on the package that depends on the library, because only the new version of the middle package works with the updated library, when the version that you have installed and did not update does not). In terms of problems potentially caused by doing an emerge -D world without -u, you got off fairly easy. snip HOnestly though, is there some kind of standard set of flags one should have enabled? Well, there are the default USE flags, of course, but...should have? Under Gentoo? Um, no, she said mildly, stifling snickers, since that would be unkind. The entire design of Gentoo revolves around choice. Your choice. Under Gentoo, your system is quite definitively yours, your creation, your responsibility. Which is, imo, as it should be-- only you know what your system needs to run the way you want it to. But you do have to know what you want your system to do, and you have to pay attention to the infrastructure (USE flags and the like) to see if the current setup is going to follow your useage pattern, and change it if not. If I don't have any *.ogg files on my system, I don't need or care about the +vorbis or +ogg files being set. But you do, and it's up to you to know that and to use the available tools (like emerge --verbose) to see what packages use these flags and make sure that they are set before emerging those packages. Cost of doing business, as they say. Also, maybe there could be a standard way of telling the user that the feature is disabled because of a USE flag instead of just crashing. Cute idea, but really, how would that work? Since it would have to be encoded in the program, and that's obviously out of our control. Some programs do say I don't have support for this feature, but most of the time-- especially with multimedia programs, ime-- they just crash. But then again, only source-based distros allow you to pick and choose your feature-set before compiling the app; binary distros just choose all features and enable them, for the most part. Since any given program is ultimately expected to work under both sets of conditions, I can see how the designers would not be eager to prioritize their development time to design in a feature for what is ultimately a minority need (thus-and-so feature is not enabled), since the majority of 'users' (meaning distributions repackaging the application for... distribution) are not going to need this functionality (since all features are by default enabled), and those who do are expected/hoped to be experienced enough to know that they need to verify the feature-set beforehand. The fact that you fall outside both these categories (not using a binary distribution, yet did not verify your feature set before compiling) is, sadly, not likely to engender a great deal of sympathy. We're a hard crew, we Linux users (or maybe it's just me). But you could well post an enhancement bug somewhere (you could try b.g.o and see if they'll bump it upstream, or a bug on the individual application's site if it has one, or with KDE, if the individual application doesn't have its own bug reporting structure), and see what the response is. You never know. PS. The things you learn after hours and hours of messing with the system... Not sure if it's worth it... That's your decision and your choice, too. There's SuSE, there's Debian ($DEITY knows, there's good and plenty of Debian), there's Mandriva, there's Windows. It's your brainpower, it's your time, it's your computer. Do as you will. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get debug information if system crashs randomly?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:48:08 +0800 Qiangning Hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | My CPU temperatur (reported | by /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature, I have no luck with | lmsensor setup) says 57C when idle, and can boost up to around 68C | when emerging big packages. Is it normal? There should be a cutoff or trip_points file in there too... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpuo8TLQHUDP.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
Hi all, I am new to Gentoo, but having made a test install on one of my machines, so far I am impressed. The main reason for my interest in Gentoo was to replace Suse on my server, since it looked promising in the control I have over the installation. My question is this: I want to replace Suse on the server with the minimal amount of server downtime (I won't have time to do a complete installation in one sitting - the Gentoo install I expect to take a number of weeks to set up before it will have the necessary software installed to replace Suse). I also want to ditch one of the drives in that box (I have a 120GB drive which I want to keep, and a 6GB drive which I want to remove). The 6GB drive currently has the Suse installation on it. Here is the current setup: hda - 6GB. hda1 - /boot hda2 - swap hda3 - / hdb1 - /srv hdb2 - /home And my current plan: 1) Repartition hdb to add root, swap and boot partition of about 10GB for root (what tools can I use in order to keep the data intact on hdb whilst partitioning?) 2) Install Gentoo on the new partition with grub set up to boot from hda and hdb. This way I can run Suse whilst not actively installing Gentoo. 3) Once Gentoo is running the necessary software (the minimum is probably ssh, an FTP server, Subversion and apache with mod_python). So far so good. But what is necessary to remove the old drive? The plan is to move the 120GB drive into the hda position. Clearly I will have to edit grub.conf, and fstab, but are there any other things I will need to think about. Cheers, -- Anthony Roy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Dale schreef: Alexander Skwar wrote: Don't send out HTML, please. Especially, if you don't make use of HTML features, as it then only wastes bandwidth with nothing useful being added. Well, I'm trying to find out where to change it in Mozilla. Speaking of settings, mail can be set to be sent as plain text by default in Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail as follows (the settings given are for Thunderbird, but the Mozmail settings are very nearby in terms of finding them, if not exactly the same): To set all outgoing mail to be composed as plain-text: Acount Preferences=Composition and Addressing under the relevant account=uncheck Compose messages using HTML format Right underneath that, there is a checkbox dealing with quoting: If When I respond, quote the original mail in my reply is checked, use the drop-down menu below it to change Start my reply above the quoted text (which is default only because the word above comes alphabetically before the word below, it's not a judgement of preference or usefulness) to either Start my reply below the quoted text, or Select the quoted text (if you want to trim first). Or uncheck the box entirely and quote nothing (though that's not a good idea on this list, really). To set mail to this list only as plain-text, while leaving all others as whatever you want: Preferences (not Account Oppions, regular Preferences)= Composition; under HTML and Send Options; Text Composition behaviour (not exact; I'm translating from Dutch, as that's what my desktop is in, and my Dutch is not perfect, which is why my desktop is in it :-) ), click the Advanced button and go to the Plain Text domains tab. On this tab, click the Add button, then in the field that comes up, enter lists.gentoo.org and hit OK. This marks all mail going to this domain (which covers all our mailing lists) as only being able to receive plain-text mail. So no matter what you compose it in, Mozilla Mail/Thunderbired will convert it to plain text when sending (because you told it that that's the only format the domain will accept , which is kinda true-- most mailing lists will reject HTML mail outright, this one won't, but this ridiculously long argument should be proof enough that the list doesn't like it). You can, of course, add any domains of other mailing lists you might be on as well. Hope this is helpful to at least some of those floundering through this thread; learn to use your programs, people, is all I can say. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
On 10/30/05, Anthony Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Repartition hdb to add root, swap and boot partition of about 10GB for root (what tools can I use in order to keep the data intact on hdb whilst partitioning?) Some softwares like partition magic can do that, but they run under doze. I'd prefer making a backup, and a fresh repartition tbh. 2) Install Gentoo on the new partition with grub set up to boot from hda and hdb. This way I can run Suse whilst not actively installing Gentoo. You can boot from the suse, repartition the hdb, then chroot, and do your gentoo installation. 3) Once Gentoo is running the necessary software (the minimum is probably ssh, an FTP server, Subversion and apache with mod_python). So far so good. But what is necessary to remove the old drive? The plan is to move the 120GB drive into the hda position. Clearly I will have to edit grub.conf, and fstab, but are there any other things I will need to think about. Not that I can think of, except you will probably need to reinstall your grub. And if you've done a backup when doing step one, you shouldn't suffer any data loses. Just my .02USD. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
Dale schrieb: Scroll down, I'm bottom feeding now. LOL What's so funny about you being unable to properly quote? Is it funny, because you make it hard to read what you wrote on purpose? I saw that on one of those forensic shows. Those on TV? Those commercials turned into a report? They recovered some data and convicted the guy to boot. I have no clue but it was a real story not make believe. Everything on TV is make believe. I heard on the Screensavers ages ago that NSA can get almost anything back unless it is physically destroyed (sp?). They even showed the guy shreading some platters from a hard drive. Oh, no doubt that they can recover from burned platters. But have you ever seen, that they can recover overwritten data? I've only heard the opposite - that they CANNOT do that. It sounded unbelievable but they did it. Let's have a vote on who wants me to bottom post and change it in Mozilla. LOL Don't bottom post. Quote properly. Oh, I HATE to scroll. Me too. That's why I hate full quotes, which is what you've done. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 16:06 +, Anthony Roy wrote: Hi all, I am new to Gentoo, but having made a test install on one of my machines, so far I am impressed. The main reason for my interest in Gentoo was to replace Suse on my server, since it looked promising in the control I have over the installation. My question is this: I want to replace Suse on the server with the minimal amount of server downtime (I won't have time to do a complete installation in one sitting - the Gentoo install I expect to take a number of weeks to set up before it will have the necessary software installed to replace Suse). I also want to ditch one of the drives in that box (I have a 120GB drive which I want to keep, and a 6GB drive which I want to remove). The 6GB drive currently has the Suse installation on it. Here's my suggestion: Boot up your 6GB Suse installation (it probably is, isn't it?) Then install Gentoo on the 120GB hard drive. If you're going to eventually take out the 6GB drive then put boot, swap, and root partions on the 120GB. After you get everything set up how you want it (to the best of your knowledge) reboot into your new Gentoo installation. Keep the 6GB Suse installation in there until you're sure everything works. When you install grub, be sure to list your Suse installation in the grub.conf file in case something goes wrong with Gentoo. When you're satisified with the way Gentoo is working, make your changes to /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/grub.conf in anticipation of hdb becoming hda, shut down the machine, take your 6GB out, move your 120GB to its new place, and reboot. Keep your rescue disk handy as there's bound to be something I haven't thought of, having never actually done this myself... -Michael Sullivan- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Dale schrieb: Well, I'm trying to find out where to change it in Mozilla. Change what in Mozilla? There's nothing that you can change. You just read and insert your comments where appropriate and delete what's no longer relevant. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Dale schrieb: I found it. Found what? Is this better? Better than what? Your previous way of top posting? No, it's not better. It's as bad. I'm a bottom feeder, um poster. Bad. LOL I even took out some of the clutter above. THIS is good. But you should take out even more. Who cares anyway. Basically everybody, I guess. Your quoting style makes it unnecessarily hard to follow what you mean. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Dale schrieb: Qian Qiao wrote: Well done, :) Trimming could be extremely useful, when you see a thread with over 30 replies. Honestly, I like it all together in one place. Me too. It's all in a folder containing all the mails. Further, there are archives on the web. That way you don't have to dig for it. Yep. I delete emails that are more than a week or so old. I don't. Because of your quoting style, everybody has to store loads of unnecessary cruft. It makes it easier on the server and on us poor dial-up users. Yep. And makes it easier to read. I duno. Makes me no difference. Fine. The setting is under mail and server settings by the way. Your sig confuses me. Me too. Badly translated joke. It should read: There are 10 kinds of people. Then it is funny. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Nicholas Hockey schrieb: LOOK I'M TOP POSTING IN ALL CAPS, OMG YOU MIGHT DIE I don't know why ppl just want to bitch about top posting and HTML? Sure back when we were all on an old external hays 9600 it was irritating to download all that extra crap. So it is nowadays. Where's the GAIN in using HTML? If people use HTML to do some (senseful) markup, I wouldn't object. But have a look at Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:19:54 -0600 From: Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] The text/plain part is only about 600 bytes. The text/html part is about 1500 bytes. 1500 bytes for nothing at all. So the mail was 2100 bytes in size, while 600 would have been sufficient. That's just EXTREMELY bad behaviour. But adding a few extra kb doesn’t mean much now, That's not the point. It adds few extra kb for nothing at all. Could you try not to send HTML messages to the list? A big portion of us read our emails under command line, and people like me don't have a brain that can parse the HTML and make sense of it before my finger hits the delete button. Also please try to avoid top posting. What's that? Why are you writing this? This contradicts all you've written at the top that mail. Strange. But here you're completely right in those last few lines. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Dale schrieb: Qian Qiao wrote: Progress, :) Trimming will make it even clearer, and reader friendly. What is trimming? Get out a word book. You'll find the definition there. Now I am middle posting. Bad as well. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Alexander Skwar schreef: Dale schrieb: Well, I'm trying to find out where to change it in Mozilla. Change what in Mozilla? There's nothing that you can change. Oh for Pete's sake, Alexander. You can so change stuff in Mozilla-- it's a *software suite*, containing a web browser/irc client, a mail client and a web composition utility. I presume Dale was referring to the Mozilla mail component, which can be configured just like any other program. In fact, my previous mail says how to do this, where Dale just said it could be done. You just read and insert your comments where appropriate and delete what's no longer relevant. Consider a nice walk, a beer, or other relaxing activity. Please. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
You can boot from the suse, repartition the hdb, then chroot, and do your gentoo installation. Excellent - so really I won't even need to have server downtime while installing? I'll definitely look into this approach. Cheers, -- Ant... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
I'm going to take a bath and soak a while. I have a skin disease and cool/cold weather makes it mad. :( Come and live in Bordeaux then! It was 24°C today... I knew there was a reason we moved here :-) Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses apps garbled in text console
On October 29, 2005 06:31 pm Rodney Gordon II was like: For some reason my /etc/env.d/02locale was missing. Creating a new one solved the problem. Out of curiosity, how did you create one? I have the same issue, mine is missing for some reason.. Nothing fancy, Im afraid. I just did nano -w /etc/env.d/02locale Mine reads: LC_ALL=en_CA.UTF-8 LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 Theres a page on gentoo.org with instructions. There's another line you need if you live in Euroland. Robert -- Robert Persson Don't use nuclear weapons to troubleshoot faults. (US Air Force Instruction 91-111, 1 Oct 1997) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
Qian Qiao schrieb: On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dd if=/dev/zero of=file rm file I'm a noob on journaling file systems, won't the file be recovered if the journal is re-played? When we erase a file like that, don't we have to figure out a way to erase the journal entry too? No, the file won't be recovered. If it could be recovered, the journal would have to be at least the size of the real data, wouldn't it? Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Holly Bostick schrieb: Alexander Skwar schreef: Dale schrieb: Well, I'm trying to find out where to change it in Mozilla. Change what in Mozilla? There's nothing that you can change. Oh for Pete's sake, Alexander. You can so change stuff in Mozilla-- it's a *software suite*, containing a web browser/irc client, a mail client and a web composition utility. Well, sure you can change stuff in Mozilla. No doubt :) But there's nothing in Mozilla (or any programm) that you can change, so that proper quotation is used. That's just not possible, as it involves selectively deleting unrequired parts and inserting the quote at the right spot. A program just cannot do this. I presume Dale was referring to the Mozilla mail component, Yes, that's what I presume as well. You just read and insert your comments where appropriate and delete what's no longer relevant. Consider a nice walk, a beer, or other relaxing activity. Please. How does that fit to what I wrote? What I wrote is just a short summary about how proper quotation should be done. Is it factual wrong what I wrote? Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
On 10/30/05, Anthony Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can boot from the suse, repartition the hdb, then chroot, and do your gentoo installation. Excellent - so really I won't even need to have server downtime while installing? I'll definitely look into this approach. You shouldn't have any downtime during the bootstrap/compilation (depends on which stage you choose). If things go well, the only downtime expected is when you need to physically remove the smaller harddrive, and rewire stuff. Take a look at this guide here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml, the Installing Gentoo from an existing Linux distribution section could be helpful. HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Advansys SCSI Support in 2.6.13-r5 Kernel?
I am trying to upgrade from a 2.6.11 genkernel to 2.6.13-r5 genkernel. However when booting, I get a message about root not being a valid root device and then a prompt to enter the correct one. I'm a noob at this so don't assume I've done the obvious. :) I've searched Google and it appears likely that my problem is that Advansys SCSI support is either not built into my kernel or is built as a module? In any event, I ran genkernel with the --menuconfig option to check it out. But I could not find Advansys support in the SCSI Low Level Drivers section. Searching on 'advansys' revealed this: Symbol: SCSI_ADVANSYS [=n] Prompt: AdvanSys SCSI support Defined at drivers/scsi/Kconfig:401 Depends on: (ISA || EISA || PCI) SCSI BROKEN Location: - Device Drivers - SCSI device support - SCSI device support (SCSI [=y]) - SCSI low-level drivers So why does this not show up in menuconfig and is there some way to turn this on? Thanks, Drew -- Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse Magic Tricks, DVDs, Videos, Books, More! http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao schrieb: On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dd if=/dev/zero of=file rm file I'm a noob on journaling file systems, won't the file be recovered if the journal is re-played? When we erase a file like that, don't we have to figure out a way to erase the journal entry too? No, the file won't be recovered. If it could be recovered, the journal would have to be at least the size of the real data, wouldn't it? Ah, I see. I was thinking that the journal is working in a similar fashion as the transaction logs in DBMS, seems I'm quite wrong. :) -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
Qian Qiao schrieb: Ah, I see. I was thinking that the journal is working in a similar fashion as the transaction logs in DBMS, seems I'm quite wrong. :) Well, but how does it work in a DBMS? Does a transaction log there save you from a 'DELETE FROM table; COMMIT;'? I mean, I suppose you could see - thanks to the transaction log - that a 'DELETE FROM table;' was done, who did it and when it was done. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Advansys SCSI Support in 2.6.13-r5 Kernel?
Drew Tomlinson schreef: I am trying to upgrade from a 2.6.11 genkernel to 2.6.13-r5 genkernel. However when booting, I get a message about root not being a valid root device and then a prompt to enter the correct one. snip it appears likely that my problem is that Advansys SCSI support is either not built into my kernel or is built as a module? In any event, I ran genkernel with the --menuconfig option to check it out. But I could not find Advansys support in the SCSI Low Level Drivers section. Searching on 'advansys' revealed this: Symbol: SCSI_ADVANSYS [=n] Well, this means that the ADVANSYS support is not built at all (if it was set to be built as a loadable module, it would say =m, and if it was statically built into the kernel, it would say =y). Prompt: AdvanSys SCSI support Defined at drivers/scsi/Kconfig:401 Depends on: (ISA || EISA || PCI) SCSI BROKEN Location: - Device Drivers - SCSI device support - SCSI device support (SCSI [=y]) - SCSI low-level drivers So why does this not show up in menuconfig and is there some way to turn this on? The Depends on section tells you what is required for the option to appear. In the Device Drivers section, under SCSI device support, SCSI device support must be set to yes, and then SCSI low-level drivers must be enabled/selected for this and other sub-options to appear. So I would suggest heading back to menuconfig and enabling what needs to be enabled, and then the option itself when it appears, naturally. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Advansys SCSI Support in 2.6.13-r5 Kernel?
On 10/30/2005 9:33 AM Holly Bostick wrote: Drew Tomlinson schreef: I am trying to upgrade from a 2.6.11 genkernel to 2.6.13-r5 genkernel. However when booting, I get a message about root not being a valid root device and then a prompt to enter the correct one. snip it appears likely that my problem is that Advansys SCSI support is either not built into my kernel or is built as a module? In any event, I ran genkernel with the --menuconfig option to check it out. But I could not find Advansys support in the SCSI Low Level Drivers section. Searching on 'advansys' revealed this: Symbol: SCSI_ADVANSYS [=n] Well, this means that the ADVANSYS support is not built at all (if it was set to be built as a loadable module, it would say =m, and if it was statically built into the kernel, it would say =y). Prompt: AdvanSys SCSI support Defined at drivers/scsi/Kconfig:401 Depends on: (ISA || EISA || PCI) SCSI BROKEN Location: - Device Drivers - SCSI device support - SCSI device support (SCSI [=y]) - SCSI low-level drivers So why does this not show up in menuconfig and is there some way to turn this on? The Depends on section tells you what is required for the option to appear. In the Device Drivers section, under SCSI device support, SCSI device support must be set to yes, and then SCSI low-level drivers must be enabled/selected for this and other sub-options to appear. So I would suggest heading back to menuconfig and enabling what needs to be enabled, and then the option itself when it appears, naturally. Thank you for your reply. I think I have all the stuff enabled as I see plenty of other SCSI adapters like Adaptec, QLogic, and others. What does the BROKEN mean? Is it broken and that's why I don't see it? Thanks, Drew -- Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse Magic Tricks, DVDs, Videos, Books, More! http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] The Root Block Device is unspecified or not detected - PCMCIA card CD Boot on Sony Vaio
On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:18 am, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: I'm running Gentoo on my picturebook happily since about 2 or 3 years now. Just ask if there are more problems. I can give you a kernel patch for the neomagic frame buffer driver to have it support the 480px display height... I really loved getting the widescreen framebuffer working - it was such a buzz, so cool. That made for the ultimate in notebook usability and portability. BTW, @Stroller: it's a 10 widescreen, 6 would be a little too small... That's really 10 not 6'??? How come I don't have a girlfriend?? ;P Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
On Sunday 30 October 2005 17:26, Alexander Skwar wrote: Oh, no doubt that they can recover from burned platters. But have you ever seen, that they can recover overwritten data? not seen, but read about it. They can recover overwritten data. I've only heard the opposite - that they CANNOT do that. maybe you should ask one of the forensic/data saving companies that do this all day. Recovering overwritten data is as easy as recovering from damaged drives. Basically, you need a very, very sensitive magnetic coil ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] updates
I'm trying to get a definitive answer to this - when I want to install a new kernel, I know that there are certain packages that will not come back, and need to be re-emerged on the new kernel. Is there a way to setup a list of these based on what I have installed on my current Gentoo kernel to make emerge world easier? Thanks for the input. JD -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] updates
Holly~ Thanks for the reply. I found the package on portage, but couldn't locate any docs for how to use it... I'm googling for it atm, but if you can point me towards any docs on this I'd really appreciate it. I've been waiting for something like this for a while. Regards, JD -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:52 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] updates John Dangler schreef: I'm trying to get a definitive answer to this - when I want to install a new kernel, I know that there are certain packages that will not come back, and need to be re-emerged on the new kernel. Is there a way to setup a list of these based on what I have installed on my current Gentoo kernel to make emerge world easier? Thanks for the input. JD There is, in fact, now a tool to do this; eix module-rebuild * sys-kernel/module-rebuild Available versions: 0.1 0.5 Installed: 0.5 Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org/ Description: A utility to rebuild any kernel modules which you have installed. Found 1 matches HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] updates
John Dangler schreef: John Dangler schreef: Holly Bostick schreef: I'm trying to get a definitive answer to this - when I want to install a new kernel, I know that there are certain packages that will not come back, Is there a way to setup a list of these based on what I have installed on my current Gentoo kernel to make emerge world easier? There is, in fact, now a tool to do this; eix module-rebuild * sys-kernel/module-rebuild Available versions: 0.1 0.5 Installed: 0.5 Homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/ Description: A utility to rebuild any kernel modules which you have installed. Thanks for the reply. I found the package on portage, but couldn't locate any docs for how to use it... I'm googling for it atm, but if you can point me towards any docs on this I'd really appreciate it. I've been waiting for something like this for a while. module-rebuild --help /usr/sbin/module-rebuild: illegal option -- - Oh, apparently --help is not enabled; but if you run it either with no options or an 'illegal' option, you get the 'proper usage help', as is standard for most Linux command-line probrams. module-rebuild [options] action [category/package] Version: 0.5 Where options are: -X - Emerge based on package names, not exact versions. -C - Disable all coloured output. Where action is one of: add - Add package to moduledb. del - Delete a package from moduledb. toggle - Toggle auto-rebuild of Package. list - List packages to auto-rebuild. rebuild - Rebuild packages. populate - Populate the database with any packages which currently install drivers into the running kernel. Do you need more than that? It's a pretty simple module atm. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] updates
Holly~ Thanks for the reply. It seems fairly straightforward. From reading this, I would think that running module-rebuild populate would be the first task. Add/Del package would be for building discriminate versions of a kernel (presumably for locating problems or just testing out a kernel revision), list is simply a list of what's been 'populate'd, toggle would have similar usage as Add/Del, except that it would allow/disallow a package which has been 'populate'd, and rebuild would be the heart of the reason for this utility, to rebuild a set of modules into a new kernel. Assuming I'm at least somewhat correct in this, my only point of confusion is whether I compile the new kernel first, then run module-rebuild? Or does running module-rebuild 'rebuild' allow me to compile the new kernel, link it, and reboot into it? Regards, JD -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:35 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] updates John Dangler schreef: John Dangler schreef: Holly Bostick schreef: I'm trying to get a definitive answer to this - when I want to install a new kernel, I know that there are certain packages that will not come back, Is there a way to setup a list of these based on what I have installed on my current Gentoo kernel to make emerge world easier? There is, in fact, now a tool to do this; eix module-rebuild * sys-kernel/module-rebuild Available versions: 0.1 0.5 Installed: 0.5 Homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/ Description: A utility to rebuild any kernel modules which you have installed. Thanks for the reply. I found the package on portage, but couldn't locate any docs for how to use it... I'm googling for it atm, but if you can point me towards any docs on this I'd really appreciate it. I've been waiting for something like this for a while. module-rebuild --help /usr/sbin/module-rebuild: illegal option -- - Oh, apparently --help is not enabled; but if you run it either with no options or an 'illegal' option, you get the 'proper usage help', as is standard for most Linux command-line probrams. module-rebuild [options] action [category/package] Version: 0.5 Where options are: -X - Emerge based on package names, not exact versions. -C - Disable all coloured output. Where action is one of: add - Add package to moduledb. del - Delete a package from moduledb. toggle - Toggle auto-rebuild of Package. list - List packages to auto-rebuild. rebuild - Rebuild packages. populate - Populate the database with any packages which currently install drivers into the running kernel. Do you need more than that? It's a pretty simple module atm. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
Qian Qiao schrieb: On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, but how does it work in a DBMS? Does a transaction log there save you from a 'DELETE FROM table; COMMIT;'? I mean, I suppose you could see - thanks to the transaction log - that a 'DELETE FROM table;' was done, who did it and when it was done. It does, technically. Does it? How? So the log contains what rows are in the table? How large is the log? If I have a look at the archived redo logs of some Oracle DBs, I see that they tend to be gigantic - if you also count what's been written away and archived on backup tapes. But those logs are a bit different than FS journals. The DBMS logs contain everything that's been done. Every row that's added (INSERT) or every change (UPDATE). The way DBMS maintains table consistancy opon failure is to re-play transactions logged. Yes. This would mean, that the system would notice that DELETE FROM table; has not yet been (successfully/completely) run, wouldn't it? These logs are not the logs that appear in /var/log, they are maintained internally by the DBMS. Sure. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] updates
John Dangler wrote: Holly~ Thanks for the reply. It seems fairly straightforward. From reading this, I would think that running module-rebuild populate would be the first task. Add/Del package would be for building discriminate versions of a kernel (presumably for locating problems or just testing out a kernel revision), list is simply a list of what's been 'populate'd, toggle would have similar usage as Add/Del, except that it would allow/disallow a package which has been 'populate'd, and rebuild would be the heart of the reason for this utility, to rebuild a set of modules into a new kernel. Assuming I'm at least somewhat correct in this, my only point of confusion is whether I compile the new kernel first, then run module-rebuild? Or does running module-rebuild 'rebuild' allow me to compile the new kernel, link it, and reboot into it? Regards, JD http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20051024-newsletter.xml Under Tips and tricks. Basically just: # module-rebuild list # module-rebuild rebuild I noticed that if you do another list after the rebuild, the same modules show as needing rebuild. Then after a reboot the list shows clean. So I'm assuming the list is against your running kernel. HTH, Roy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
Thanks for the prompt advice guys. I'll be taking it slowly - I aim to get the main installation and changeover done over Christmas when I have a little more time, and the preparation done prior to that so that I have the partitions ready to go. I'll let you know how it all went (probably be asking more questions between now and then anyway!) Cheers, -- Ant... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get debug information if system crashs randomly?
Another source of random freezes can be the power supply. It happened with my Gentoo box about two months ago. It started to randomly freeze, then to suddenly shut down without notice every 3-6 hours. memtest86 was fine. A new power supply solved all issues. Check it if all other alternatives have been discarded. m.
RE: [gentoo-user] updates
hrmm... I recompile the new kernel, before rebooting, I run module-rebuild list... and get one entry - =media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629-r4 So, I reboot the new kernel, and get no Ethernet, no wireless, no sound, nonvidia, and the vga mode is wrong. (the grub entry is an exact copy of the previous kernel). After the reboot, I run module-rebuild list, thinking that I would see all of those packages... nope. Only nvidia kernel. I'm missing something, here. Any input is appreciated. JD -Original Message- From: Roy Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:12 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] updates John Dangler wrote: Holly~ Thanks for the reply. It seems fairly straightforward. From reading this, I would think that running module-rebuild populate would be the first task. Add/Del package would be for building discriminate versions of a kernel (presumably for locating problems or just testing out a kernel revision), list is simply a list of what's been 'populate'd, toggle would have similar usage as Add/Del, except that it would allow/disallow a package which has been 'populate'd, and rebuild would be the heart of the reason for this utility, to rebuild a set of modules into a new kernel. Assuming I'm at least somewhat correct in this, my only point of confusion is whether I compile the new kernel first, then run module-rebuild? Or does running module-rebuild 'rebuild' allow me to compile the new kernel, link it, and reboot into it? Regards, JD http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20051024-newsletter.xml Under Tips and tricks. Basically just: # module-rebuild list # module-rebuild rebuild I noticed that if you do another list after the rebuild, the same modules show as needing rebuild. Then after a reboot the list shows clean. So I'm assuming the list is against your running kernel. HTH, Roy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Kernel error messages: gentoo-sources 2.6.13-r5
When I boot I get several kinds of error messages. My system runs okay, but I'd like confirmation or information that I do/don't need to fix something. 1) My 2-channel SCSI card (39160): should I worry about unable to reserve or already in use? PCI: Enabling device :03:01.0 (0116 - 0117) PCI: Unable to reserve mem region #2:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for device :03:01.0 aic7xxx: Adaptec AIC-7899 Ultra 160/m SCSI host adapter at PCI 3/1/0 aic7xxx: I/O ports already in use, ignoring. PCI: Enabling device :03:01.1 (0116 - 0117) PCI: Unable to reserve mem region #2:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for device :03:01.1 aic7xxx: Adaptec AIC-7899 Ultra 160/m SCSI host adapter at PCI 3/1/1 aic7xxx: I/O ports already in use, ignoring. 2) The init scripts complain that the system doesn't support DEVFS or UDEV, but a) I thought I *did* have UDEV; I remember a big deal about converting to it. b) at the moment, I can't remember how I got it, and don't see an option for it in the kernel config. Where is it, or where else would it be? This message comes out during init scripts, but before logging starts, so I don't have the exact text. 3) Sound: I get this message, but sound works okay. Is it a problem? Can I or should I make the message go away? I have run alsamixer, and set all sliders in the green. Oct 30 13:14:23 treat rc-scripts: Could not detect custom ALSA settings. Loading all detected alsa drivers. Please advise. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
[gentoo-user] BUG in glibc????
Hi all,
I am writing some program... simple program and I've got some code:
j=strcmp( log, *(lines+i) );
printf( ble\n );
if( strcmp( log, *(lines+i) ) == 0 )
{
printf( ble2\n );
it is in for loop. ble and ble2 are some texts for debuging purposes :)
So... when I run my program I can see three times ble and only two
times ble2...
after last ble there is:
*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0804c208 ***
Przerwane
is it a bug in glibc or in my code?
I added file with that loop.
Przerwane means interrupted/broken/stopped, it is polish locale (LC=pl_PL)
#include stdio.h
#include string.h
#include config.h
int config_parse() {
int i,j;
char** lines = NULL;
char *eqch,*tmp;
unsigned int linesc = 0;
if( ( config_content == NULL ) || ( config_content==0 ) )
{
fprintf( logi, = Nie moge przetwarzaæ nie istniej±cej tre¶ci pliku konfiguracyjnego\n );
return 0;
}
lines = (char**) malloc( sizeof( char* ) );
if( lines == NULL )
{
fprintf( logi, = B³±d alokacji pamiêci na vector linii\n );
return 0;
}
*(lines) = config_content;
for( i = 0; i config_contentl; i++ )
{
if( *(config_content+i) == '\n' )
{
lines = (char**) realloc( lines, sizeof( char** )*(linesc+1) );
if( lines == NULL )
{
fprintf( logi, = B³±d alokacji\n );
return 0;
}
linesc++;
*(lines+linesc) = (config_content+i+1);
*(config_content+i) = '\0';
printf( - linesc++\n );
}
}
fprintf( stdout, - linesc = %u\n, linesc );
for( i = 0; i linesc; i++ )
{
if( *(*(lines+i)) == '#' )
{
continue;
}
/*
j = strlen( *(lines+i) );
if( (i != linesc-1) (*(lines+i+1) != *(lines+i) +j +1) )
{
fprintf( logi, = Znak 0 wykryty w pliku konfiguracyjnym\n );
fprintf( logi,w miejscu numer %i\n,i );
free( lines );
return 0;
}
*/
eqch = strchr( *(lines+i), '=' );
if( eqch == NULL )
{
fprintf( logi, = Brak znaku = w linni %i\n,i );
free( lines );
return 0;
}
*eqch = '\0';
tmp = strtok( *(lines+i), \t );
if( ( tmp == NULL ) ( eqch == *(lines+i) ) )
{
fprintf( logi, = B³êdna opcja w pliku konfiguracyjnym w linni %i\n,i );
free(lines);
return 0;
}
j=strcmp( log, *(lines+i) );
printf( ble\n );
if( strcmp( log, *(lines+i) ) == 0 )
{
config_configpathl = strlen( eqch+1 );
config_configpath = (char*) malloc( config_configpathl );
if( config_configpath == NULL )
{
fprintf( logi, = B³±d alokacji pamiêci na nazwe pliku loga dla linii %i\n,i );
free( lines );
return 0;
}
strcpy( config_configpath, eqch+1 );
fprintf( stdout, - log = `%s'\n, eqch+1 );
continue;
}
if( strcmp( sysctl, *(lines+i) ) == 0 )
{
if( ! config_addsysctl( eqch+1 ) )
{
fprintf( logi,B³±d dodawania opcji sysctl do listy w linni %i\n,i );
free( lines );
return 0;
}
fprintf( stdout, - sysctl = `%s'\n, eqch+1 );
continue;
}
if( strcmp( ip, *(lines+i) ) == 0 )
{
if( ! config_addip( eqch+1 ) )
{
fprintf( logi,B³±d dodawania opcji ip do listy w linni %i\n,i );
free( lines );
return 0;
}
fprintf( stdout, - ip = `%s'\n, eqch+1 );
continue;
}
fprintf( logi, = Nieznana opcja w pliku konfiguracyjnym w linni %i\n,i );
return 0;
}
}
Re: [gentoo-user] updates
John Dangler wrote: hrmm... I recompile the new kernel, before rebooting, I run module-rebuild list... and get one entry - =media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629-r4 So, I reboot the new kernel, and get no Ethernet, no wireless, no sound, nonvidia, and the vga mode is wrong. (the grub entry is an exact copy of the previous kernel). After the reboot, I run module-rebuild list, thinking that I would see all of those packages... nope. Only nvidia kernel. I'm missing something, here. Any input is appreciated. JD When you rebuilt your kernel, did you: # make menuconfig # make make modules_install make install The make modules_install should bring your network and other modules online... The make install will copy the kernel to your boot partition. HTH, Roy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Alexander Skwar wrote: Yep. That's why bullshit like this shouldn't be done. Quotes should be done in the way I do it. Not because I do it (that's no reason), but because that's the way it's been done for a long time and (more) importantly, because it's been proven to be good. And the proof is documented: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt, section 3.1.1 But since top-posters are too lazy to scroll to the end of a message, or trim the original before replying, I'm guessing they will be too lazy to follow the link and read the RFC. So I'll quote the relevant section here: If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! In otherwords...don't top post and trim your replies. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel error messages: gentoo-sources 2.6.13-r5
Kevin O'Gorman wrote: 2) The init scripts complain that the system doesn't support DEVFS or UDEV, but a) I thought I *did* have UDEV; I remember a big deal about converting to it. b) at the moment, I can't remember how I got it, and don't see an option for it in the kernel config. Where is it, or where else would it be? This message comes out during init scripts, but before logging starts, so I don't have the exact text. There is no kernel option for udev. Make sure that the file /dev/.devfsd does not exist. If this file exists, /sbin/rc will disable udev. 3) Sound: I get this message, but sound works okay. Is it a problem? Can I or should I make the message go away? I have run alsamixer, and set all sliders in the green. Oct 30 13:14:23 treat rc-scripts: Could not detect custom ALSA settings. Loading all detected alsa drivers. Run alsaconf and save the results when prompted. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] MySQL Upgrade
Hi all, I just upgraded MySQL using the instructions on the Gentoo website. For the most part, everything went fine and now everything works, but I had to make a couple of adjustments. My question now is if there is a proper way to do what I did as a workaround. In September, when I wiped Fedora Core off my main system and installed Gentoo, I had a MySQL database that I used for one reason and one reason only. To get my database files from the FC4 system to Gentoo, I just copied them to a ZIP drive. When I installed MySQL, in /var/lib/mysql/ I created a directory with the name of my database and copied my database related files into that directory. Then I set up the users allowed to access to the database. This worked fine and is the workaround that I had to do today after upgrading MySQL. The instructions on the Gentoo website for upgrading gave a step by step to create a backup of my database. However, when I went to restore the database after the upgrade, the restore didn't work. I'm thinking that it was because of the way I got my database files into MySQL when I initially installed MySQL under Gentoo. Is there a way to rectify this so that the backup will work for future upgrades? Regards, Colleen -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
Stroller wrote: I've just tried `shred` on a file in a ResierFS partition and it certainly appears to work. $ man shred file $ ls -l file -rw-r--r-- 1 ben users 3685 Oct 31 00:11 file $ shred file $ ls -l file -rw-r--r-- 1 ben users 131072 Oct 31 00:11 file Hmm, would that mean that the block size on this reiserfs filesystem is 128K? Taken from 'man shred': CAUTION: Note that shred relies on a very important assumption: that the file system overwrites data in place. This is the traditional way to do things, but many modern file system designs do not satisfy this assumption. The following are examples of file systems on which shred is not effective: * log-structured or journaled file systems, such as those supplied with AIX and Solaris (and JFS, ReiserFS, XFS, Ext3, etc.) Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Serious pcmcia network issues
Hola, I've got this old laptop that I'm bringing back from the dead (attic) for a special project. It needs sound and network capability. As it's a 300MHz PII, and I'm running gentoo on the 3GHz home server, I thought the optimizations of gentoo might pay off. First, I did a stage 3 install. Everything went fine until I lost the network connection. Nothing I did could bring it back. However, it always worked with the Universal 2005.0/1 disks, so there was nothing wrong with the hardware. I went with a stage 1 install, This worked for a couple weeks, while I spent time getting all the tweaks done. Then I popped in a Cisco Aironet 350, thinking I could make the laptop mobile. All networking died. Rebooting, no help. Rebuilding kernel with no Aironet support, no help. Loading an older kernel with networking yes, sound no, still broke. The network card I've used is a 3Com 3c589D. Upon boot with the 2.6.13-gentoo-r3 kernel, it was detected and assign it's correct static IP. Further inspection indicated that it had no route, and I could not add the route. Apparently, there might be an issue with the yenta_socket module and ACPI. At least, that's what the Google searches indicate. So, after a full day and a half of banging my head against the wall, I tried using 2.6.12-gentoo-r10 sources. I make menuconfig, make make modules_install and the damn thing works upon reboot. Again, this is a software issue only. Using the Universal install CD, or even Fedora, everything works fine. So here's the hardware IBM Thinkpad 770X (8MB Video Ram) 256MB RAM 3Com 3c589D pcmcia network card -- Modules for pcmcia card 3c589_cs pcmcia yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic pcmcia_core Kernel 2.6.13-gentoo-r3 worked for a long time. Once it stopped working, it stopped working forever (or until I figure it out). Problem seems to be with IRQ issues, as this is what I saw in /var/log/messages Oct 30 14:57:46 tux Yenta TI: socket :00:02.0 no PCI interrupts. Fish. Please report. Oct 30 14:57:46 tux Yenta: no PCI IRQ, CardBus support disabled for this socket. Oct 30 14:57:46 tux Yenta: check your BIOS CardBus, BIOS IRQ or ACPI settings. Oct 30 14:57:46 tux Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0498, PCI irq 0 --- and other like this Oct 30 11:46:04 tux cardmgr[15669]: socket 1: 3Com 589 Ethernet Oct 30 11:46:04 tux eth0: 3Com 3c589, io 0x300, irq 3, hw_addr 00:60:08:25:40:E0 Oct 30 11:46:04 tux 8K FIFO split 5:3 Rx:Tx, auto xcvr Oct 30 11:46:25 tux eth0: flipped to 10baseT Oct 30 11:46:37 tux eth0: interrupt(s) dropped! Any help will be greatly appreciated. Peter -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
On 10/30/05, Anthony Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the prompt advice guys. I'll be taking it slowly - I aim to get the main installation and changeover done over Christmas when I have a little more time, and the preparation done prior to that so that I have the partitions ready to go. I'll let you know how it all went (probably be asking more questions between now and then anyway!) Good luck with it, if you have more time before the migration, try play around with gentoo a bit more, just to familiarize yourself with the distribution. :) -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] MySQL Upgrade
On 10/30/05, C. Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded MySQL using the instructions on the Gentoo website. For the most part, everything went fine and now everything works, but I had to make a couple of adjustments. My question now is if there is a proper way to do what I did as a workaround. In September, when I wiped Fedora Core off my main system and installed Gentoo, I had a MySQL database that I used for one reason and one reason only. To get my database files from the FC4 system to Gentoo, I just copied them to a ZIP drive. When I installed MySQL, in /var/lib/mysql/ I created a directory with the name of my database and copied my database related files into that directory. Then I set up the users allowed to access to the database. This worked fine and is the workaround that I had to do today after upgrading MySQL. The instructions on the Gentoo website for upgrading gave a step by step to create a backup of my database. However, when I went to restore the database after the upgrade, the restore didn't work. I'm thinking that it was because of the way I got my database files into MySQL when I initially installed MySQL under Gentoo. Is there a way to rectify this so that the backup will work for future upgrades? What was the error message, if it was about the key length exceeding 1000, then you hit a known bug. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On Sunday 30 October 2005 16:30, Richard Fish wrote: But since top-posters are too lazy to scroll to the end of a message, or trim the original before replying, I'm guessing they will be too lazy to follow the link and read the RFC. So I'll quote the relevant section here: Personally, I prefer to top-post, but refrain in this context out of respect for my fellow admins. However, I don't appreciate being called lazy. If you lok up the word lazy, you will see connotations having to do with preferring to do less work. You admit, then that top posting involves less work? is easier? If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! and this has what to do with email? I'm sure in the dark ages of the internet when mail was, indeed proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another that was a good point. is it still? I've got an idea, let's use the bandwidth of the list to help one another, not be miss manners. In otherwords...don't top post and trim your replies. -Richard -- John Jolet Your On-Demand IT Department 512-762-0729 www.jolet.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] BUG in glibc???? [WAY OT]
capsel wrote:
Hi all,
is it a bug in glibc or in my code?
This is so far off topic, it isn't even funny. But, I see a couple bugs
in your code. I will cover them inline:
if( ( config_content == NULL ) || ( config_content==0 ) )
Not really a bug here, but since NULL and 0 are the same value, you only
need one side of the comparison.
*(lines) = config_content;
for( i = 0; i config_contentl; i++ )
{
if( *(config_content+i) == '\n' )
{
lines = (char**) realloc( lines, sizeof( char**
)*(linesc+1) );
if( lines == NULL )
{
fprintf( logi, = B³±d alokacji\n );
return 0;
}
linesc++;
*(lines+linesc) = (config_content+i+1);
*(config_content+i) = '\0';
printf( - linesc++\n );
}
}
There is a possible off-by-one error for linesc if config_content does
not end with a newline. For example, consider a config file with a
single line that does not end with a newline. In that case, linesc will
be 0 in your code, and you will not process anything.
I suggest setting linesc = 1 before the loop, and then adjust the
internals appropriately.
fprintf( stdout, - linesc = %u\n, linesc );
for( i = 0; i linesc; i++ )
{
if( *(*(lines+i)) == '#' )
{
continue;
}
Again, not a bug, but a readability recommendation. Use a temporary
variable inside your loop for the current line:
char* line = lines[i];
Then replace all *(lines+i) with line.
if( strcmp( log, *(lines+i) ) == 0 )
{
config_configpathl = strlen( eqch+1 );
config_configpath = (char*) malloc( config_configpathl
);
if( config_configpath == NULL )
{
fprintf( logi, = B³±d alokacji pamiêci na nazwe
pliku loga dla linii %i\n,i );
free( lines );
return 0;
}
strcpy( config_configpath, eqch+1 );
fprintf( stdout, - log = `%s'\n, eqch+1 );
continue;
}
This is your major bug, a memory overflow. You are only allocated
enough memory for the characters of the string, not including the
terminating null character. Strcpy copies the characters of the string,
_plus_ the terminating null, which is where you get a memory overflow.
Get rid of config_configpathl and the strlen line, and replace the
malloc and strcpy with strdup().
-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
Holly Bostick wrote: Dale schreef: Speaking of settings, mail can be set to be sent as plain text by default in Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail as follows (the settings given are for Thunderbird, but the Mozmail settings are very nearby in terms of finding them, if not exactly the same): To set all outgoing mail to be composed as plain-text: Acount Preferences=Composition and Addressing under the relevant account=uncheck Compose messages using HTML format Right underneath that, there is a checkbox dealing with quoting: If When I respond, quote the original mail in my reply is checked, use the drop-down menu below it to change Start my reply above the quoted text (which is default only because the word above comes alphabetically before the word below, it's not a judgement of preference or usefulness) to either Start my reply below the quoted text, or Select the quoted text (if you want to trim first). Or uncheck the box entirely and quote nothing (though that's not a good idea on this list, really). To set mail to this list only as plain-text, while leaving all others as whatever you want: Preferences (not Account Oppions, regular Preferences)= Composition; under HTML and Send Options; Text Composition behaviour (not exact; I'm translating from Dutch, as that's what my desktop is in, and my Dutch is not perfect, which is why my desktop is in it :-) ), click the Advanced button and go to the Plain Text domains tab. On this tab, click the Add button, then in the field that comes up, enter lists.gentoo.org and hit OK. This marks all mail going to this domain (which covers all our mailing lists) as only being able to receive plain-text mail. So no matter what you compose it in, Mozilla Mail/Thunderbired will convert it to plain text when sending (because you told it that that's the only format the domain will accept , which is kinda true-- most mailing lists will reject HTML mail outright, this one won't, but this ridiculously long argument should be proof enough that the list doesn't like it). You can, of course, add any domains of other mailing lists you might be on as well. Hope this is helpful to at least some of those floundering through this thread; learn to use your programs, people, is all I can say. Holly Well I have to have HTML because I use email for a LOT more than just this list. I can't change the whole world just for one list. Sorry. I do have it set up to send both though so it should be compatable with either. Later Dale I'm awake now, for a bit anyway. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
