Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kde 4.2.1 sill pulling in 3.5 packages
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 07:16:03 James wrote: Avoiding having kde-3.5 stuff installed is exactly the same as avoiding having firefox installed - don't emerge it. Yep, I get it, manual_labor. I was looking for a silver bullet, so I can just auto prevent installing anything that uses kde 3 * On this system, I install a lot of random software just to test it out. Sure I can manually check for any kde 3.5 dependancies, but it would just be easier to find a way to mask off all kde 3.5, methinks, and then deal with that exceptional piece of vintage software on a one off basis OK, I see where you are coming from. In that case, I would find a convenient package.keywords in a kde overlay and symlink to it from /etc/portage/package.mask/ Or, in the gentoo docs for split kde ebuilds there is a longish compound command to find all packages from a previous kde-3 slot and remove them. Adapt that for what you want and redirect the output to a file in package.mask Unfortunately, there is no support in portage that I know of to directly mask out a chunk of the tree. You have to fudge it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 03:40:51 Stroller wrote: Every time you bottom post with more than a page or screenful of quoting, a top-posting is justified. Every time you find you have a screenful of quoted text you should just trim out the extraneous crap and return the mail to sanity. As I have done here. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 24 March 2009 23:37:50 laurent wrote: Hi, I need to clean disfiles or move it to /home/var/ftp/disfiles. For first is there a tool to emerge that will manage the distfiles. eclean - part of app-portage/gentoolkit If not I was thinking copy to my home folder and symlink /var/ftp/distfiles to it. Is the second safe with just a symlink or should I change a PATH somewhere? Change DISTDIR in /etc/make.conf to point to the new location But this is not a good idea, as distfiles will be owned by root or portage and it's in your home directory owned by you. Rather leave distfiles where it is, and create a symlink in ~ that points to distfiles. I can't imagine how your scheme would benefit you in any way. I should do both solution. thank you Laurent I think he is running our of disk space and trying to move it to a partition that has more space. He didn't say that but I think that is the issue at hand. I do suspect that this could cause . . . . issues in the long run. Permissions is a good one to mention. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user]
Michael Sullivan schrieb: A week ago I got in a 1 TB external hard drive. I set it up for use with MythTV. It worked fine. So now I wanted to turn the old myth partition into my /home filesystem. I reformatted it (mke2fs -j /dev/sda6), I mounted it on /mnt/floppy and moved my directories in /home over to it, then unmounted it, mounted it on /home and logged in. Now almost every time I do anything I get a notice saying that gnome-settings-daemon has crashed. I don't even kwow if it will let me send this email, but I've attached the bug report. Please somebody help me! Pleas try an name your mails. This maes it a lot easyer to support you an to ind answers if somebody is searching for the same problem in the futur. Subect could be: /home - gnome-settings-daemon has crashed kh
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings daemon failed]
On Tuesday 24 March 2009 20:19:59 Michael Sullivan wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 14:33 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Michael Sullivan msulli1...@gmail.com wrote: A week ago I got in a 1 TB external hard drive. I set it up for use with MythTV. It worked fine. So now I wanted to turn the old myth partition into my /home filesystem. I reformatted it (mke2fs -j /dev/sda6), I mounted it on /mnt/floppy and moved my directories in /home over to it, then unmounted it, mounted it on /home and logged in. Now almost every time I do anything I get a notice saying that gnome-settings-daemon has crashed. I don't even kwow if it will let me send this email, but I've attached the bug report. Please somebody help me! Were you logged in as a user when you moved the /home directories? Maybe there were some open files that got messed up... I logged out of gnome, shut down xdm, and then logged in as root to move /home. Just to ask the obvious: you don't have both partitions mounted on /home do you? And you have changed /etc/fstab to suit the new layout? -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] rhythmbox is looking for an older shared object
Walter Dnes wrote: After a few more minutes of looking at the bug list, it appears that it's caused by the stable build being rusty. Given the references to lib64 in your output, I assume you're running on amd64. Is that correct? If so, a quick-n-dirty workaround might be to add the following line to your /etc/portage/package.keywords file... =media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.2-r1 ~amd64 If /etc/portage/package.keywords doesn't exist, create it. This may be beta-level, but it has a chance of working. The other option is =media-sound/rhythmbox-0.11.6-r1 ~amd64 ...same comments apply. Once a newer ebuild is marked stable, you can get rid of that keywords entry. The first one (0.11.2) didn't work, but the second one (0.11.6) did. Now revdep-rebuild completes and all is clean. Should this be posted on bugzilla as a temporary solution? Thanks, dave
[gentoo-user] A blog entry about gentoo
I wrote an entry in my blog about gentoo, and created a little script to make gentoo handling a bit easier, and whant to share it will all gentoo users to see if it could help them to understand gentoo better (specially for noob ones), and simplify its handling. I think it is not spam, since it could help others (I hope so). The link: http://stormbyte.blogspot.com/2009/03/gentoo-easy-handling.html David.
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:49:57 -0500, Dale wrote: I don't mind top posting in private emails but not on the list. Who is it with that signature with the backward questions about top posting? This one? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? or this one? Q: Why is top-posting evil? A: backwards read don't humans because Both have been in my tagfile for years. -- Neil Bothwick The best things in life are free, but the expensive ones are still worth a look. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] A blog entry about gentoo
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:38:53 +0100, David wrote: The link: http://stormbyte.blogspot.com/2009/03/gentoo-easy-handling.html Gentoo works with two kinds of software trees: the stable tree, and the unstable one; Not true, the two trees are stable and testing. Unstable software is generally hard-masked. Stable in this context means relatively unchanging, it does not refer to the propensity, or otherwise, of the software to fall over. Unstable means that the package is not tested enough and may harm your system (other packages depending of it don't work anymore, etc), and it is not advised to install. FUD! Testing packages are packages where the EBUILD needs further testing, How will that happen if no one installs it? If you want to manage keywords (and USE flags) for packages, you could try app-portage/flagedit. -- Neil Bothwick The word 'Windows' is a word out of an old dialect of the Apaches. It means: 'White man staring through glass-screen onto an hourglass...') signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user]
On Wednesday 25 March 2009, KH wrote: Michael Sullivan schrieb: A week ago I got in a 1 TB external hard drive. I set it up for use with MythTV. It worked fine. So now I wanted to turn the old myth partition into my /home filesystem. I reformatted it (mke2fs -j /dev/sda6), I mounted it on /mnt/floppy and moved my directories in /home over to it, then unmounted it, mounted it on /home and logged in. Now almost every time I do anything I get a notice saying that gnome-settings-daemon has crashed. I don't even kwow if it will let me send this email, but I've attached the bug report. Please somebody help me! Pleas try an name your mails. This maes it a lot easyer to support you an to ind answers if somebody is searching for the same problem in the futur. Subect could be: /home - gnome-settings-daemon has crashed kh and he resend the mail with a subject. He just hit sent to early. Just a normal mistake. You could have sent your mail privately. That would have been a lot better, you know?
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:49:57 -0500, Dale wrote: I don't mind top posting in private emails but not on the list. Who is it with that signature with the backward questions about top posting? This one? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? or this one? Q: Why is top-posting evil? A: backwards read don't humans because Both have been in my tagfile for years. The top one is the one I was thinking about. Funny thing is, it took me a couple reads the first time to figure out it was backwards. It really didn't make much sense. I do like the last one tho. That was cute. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It does make it hard to follow a thread, but email's are time-stamped. On 3/25/09, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:49:57 -0500, Dale wrote: I don't mind top posting in private emails but not on the list. Who is it with that signature with the backward questions about top posting? This one? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? or this one? Q: Why is top-posting evil? A: backwards read don't humans because Both have been in my tagfile for years. The top one is the one I was thinking about. Funny thing is, it took me a couple reads the first time to figure out it was backwards. It really didn't make much sense. I do like the last one tho. That was cute. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- Sent from my mobile device James Skinner james.skin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] A blog entry about gentoo
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 12:38:53 David wrote: I wrote an entry in my blog about gentoo, and created a little script to make gentoo handling a bit easier, and whant to share it will all gentoo users to see if it could help them to understand gentoo better (specially for noob ones), and simplify its handling. I think it is not spam, since it could help others (I hope so). The link: http://stormbyte.blogspot.com/2009/03/gentoo-easy-handling.html David. It's far too simplistic. It doesn't take account of dependencies that must also be masked/unmasked/whatever and will cause obscure error messages that will confuse the user more than simply using portage. A noob user will realistically expect that if he gives kde as a parameter to your script, then all of kde will immediately be installable. This will actually not happen though, he will have to read up on dependencies and more, and unmask those too. By which time he is in a position to not need your script anymore. So, as a teaching aid to get people to understand why they must use portage as designed, it works well. As a script for actual use, it falls short. You also don't account for the case of /etc/portage/package.mask/file_name To fix that the user will have to read man 5 portage or read the Gentoo docs, in which case your script again becomes redundant. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings daemon failed]
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Tuesday 24 March 2009 20:19:59 Michael Sullivan wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 14:33 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Michael Sullivan msulli1...@gmail.com wrote: A week ago I got in a 1 TB external hard drive. I set it up for use with MythTV. It worked fine. So now I wanted to turn the old myth partition into my /home filesystem. I reformatted it (mke2fs -j /dev/sda6), I mounted it on /mnt/floppy and moved my directories in /home over to it, then unmounted it, mounted it on /home and logged in. Now almost every time I do anything I get a notice saying that gnome-settings-daemon has crashed. I don't even kwow if it will let me send this email, but I've attached the bug report. Please somebody help me! Were you logged in as a user when you moved the /home directories? Maybe there were some open files that got messed up... I logged out of gnome, shut down xdm, and then logged in as root to move /home. Just to ask the obvious: you don't have both partitions mounted on /home do you? And you have changed /etc/fstab to suit the new layout? -- Rgds Peter In the forums I found some posts on this subject which lead to looking at Bugzilla reports. On my wife's machine I tried downgrading libxklavier to version 3.6. It fixed the problem on her machine. There were also reports of someone doing some changes using gnome's config editor and fixing it that way. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
Dale a écrit : Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 24 March 2009 23:37:50 laurent wrote: Hi, I need to clean disfiles or move it to /home/var/ftp/disfiles. For first is there a tool to emerge that will manage the distfiles. eclean - part of app-portage/gentoolkit If not I was thinking copy to my home folder and symlink /var/ftp/distfiles to it. Is the second safe with just a symlink or should I change a PATH somewhere? Change DISTDIR in /etc/make.conf to point to the new location But this is not a good idea, as distfiles will be owned by root or portage and it's in your home directory owned by you. Rather leave distfiles where it is, and create a symlink in ~ that points to distfiles. I can't imagine how your scheme would benefit you in any way. I should do both solution. thank you Laurent I think he is running our of disk space and trying to move it to a partition that has more space. He didn't say that but I think that is the issue at hand. I do suspect that this could cause . . . . issues in the long run. Permissions is a good one to mention. Dale :-) :-) yes it's exactly that, I did not choose the install partitionning. So I moved portage, www and now disfiles from /var to /home/var. For the other ones I did add a symlink also. Should I do that for disfiles? What do you mean by permissions issues ?? Another question about emerge -v world, I go a empty manifest on layman. What should I do to fix that ? Thanks! Laurent
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
Alan McKinnon a écrit : On Tuesday 24 March 2009 23:37:50 laurent wrote: Hi, I need to clean disfiles or move it to /home/var/ftp/disfiles. For first is there a tool to emerge that will manage the distfiles. eclean - part of app-portage/gentoolkit If not I was thinking copy to my home folder and symlink /var/ftp/distfiles to it. Is the second safe with just a symlink or should I change a PATH somewhere? Change DISTDIR in /etc/make.conf to point to the new location But this is not a good idea, as distfiles will be owned by root or portage and it's in your home directory owned by you. drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 mar 24 20:19 home looks owned by root. Rather leave distfiles where it is, and create a symlink in ~ that points to distfiles. I can't imagine how your scheme would benefit you in any way. I should do both solution. thank you Laurent
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:00:15 +0100, laurent wrote: yes it's exactly that, I did not choose the install partitionning. So I moved portage, www and now disfiles from /var to /home/var. For the other ones I did add a symlink also. Should I do that for disfiles? What do you mean by permissions issues ?? So you're putting it on the /home partition but not in your home directory? In that case, permissions are not a problem as the directory will only be used by portage, just set DISTDIR=/home/distfiles in make.conf, no need to mess around with symlinks. -- Neil Bothwick Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you wont either. - signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:27:09 -0400, James Skinner wrote: Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It does make it hard to follow a thread, but email's are time-stamped. It doesn't mater what device is used to send the email, it is the recipient that is affected by the readability of the mail. -- Neil Bothwick If it doesn't fit, you're not using a big enough hammer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 14:03:34 laurent wrote: But this is not a good idea, as distfiles will be owned by root or portage and it's in your home directory owned by you. drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 mar 24 20:19 home looks owned by root. /home is not your home directory. Out of the box emerge runs as the portage user, which will not have write permission to your home directory unless you modify the ownership/permissions. But your real problem is a stupid original disk layout. Why don;t you decide to fix that instead of getting into cute tricks with symlinks? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
Alan McKinnon a écrit : On Wednesday 25 March 2009 14:03:34 laurent wrote: But this is not a good idea, as distfiles will be owned by root or portage and it's in your home directory owned by you. drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 mar 24 20:19 home looks owned by root. /home is not your home directory. Out of the box emerge runs as the portage user, which will not have write permission to your home directory unless you modify the ownership/permissions. But your real problem is a stupid original disk layout. Why don;t you decide to fix that instead of getting into cute tricks with symlinks? Because I let my server host install it with their default disk layout. When I realise it looks pretty un-servish I had already installed http server with client website on it. The simplest for me was to move folders because I did not find any 'how to' that say it would be simple de repartition with keeping your data on. Laurent
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 11:08 +0100, KH wrote: Michael Sullivan schrieb: A week ago I got in a 1 TB external hard drive. I set it up for use with MythTV. It worked fine. So now I wanted to turn the old myth partition into my /home filesystem. I reformatted it (mke2fs -j /dev/sda6), I mounted it on /mnt/floppy and moved my directories in /home over to it, then unmounted it, mounted it on /home and logged in. Now almost every time I do anything I get a notice saying that gnome-settings-daemon has crashed. I don't even kwow if it will let me send this email, but I've attached the bug report. Please somebody help me! Pleas try an name your mails. This maes it a lot easyer to support you an to ind answers if somebody is searching for the same problem in the futur. Subect could be: /home - gnome-settings-daemon has crashed kh I did originally, but as I had to send it three different times and my message body wouldn't copy and paste correctly, I guess one went through that didn't have a subject line. It would help if gmail would show me the mails that I send in to mailing lists...
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings daemon failed]
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 10:17 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 24 March 2009 20:19:59 Michael Sullivan wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 14:33 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Michael Sullivan msulli1...@gmail.com wrote: A week ago I got in a 1 TB external hard drive. I set it up for use with MythTV. It worked fine. So now I wanted to turn the old myth partition into my /home filesystem. I reformatted it (mke2fs -j /dev/sda6), I mounted it on /mnt/floppy and moved my directories in /home over to it, then unmounted it, mounted it on /home and logged in. Now almost every time I do anything I get a notice saying that gnome-settings-daemon has crashed. I don't even kwow if it will let me send this email, but I've attached the bug report. Please somebody help me! Were you logged in as a user when you moved the /home directories? Maybe there were some open files that got messed up... I logged out of gnome, shut down xdm, and then logged in as root to move /home. Just to ask the obvious: you don't have both partitions mounted on /home do you? And you have changed /etc/fstab to suit the new layout? camille ~ # grep home /etc/fstab /dev/sda7 /home ext3 noatime 0 1 baby:/home/michael/camera /mnt/Pictures nfs bg,hard 0 0 baby:/home/michael/BizarreBits /home/michael/BizarreBits/ nfs bg,hard 0 0 My original /home directory was on /dev/sda6, which is my /
[gentoo-user] Manifest is empty
Hi, Verifying ebuild manifests !!! Manifest is empty: '/home/portage/local/layman/ovh-overlay/app-admin/rtm/Manifest' I tried ebuild layman.ebuild manifest Appending / to PORTDIR_OVERLAY... '/root/layman.ebuild' does not exist. What should I do ? It's blocking my emarge world grrr thanks Laurent
Re: [gentoo-user] Manifest is empty
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 15:22:39 laurent wrote: Hi, Verifying ebuild manifests !!! Manifest is empty: '/home/portage/local/layman/ovh-overlay/app-admin/rtm/Manifest' I tried ebuild layman.ebuild manifest Appending / to PORTDIR_OVERLAY... '/root/layman.ebuild' does not exist. What should I do ? It's blocking my emarge world grrr thanks Laurent If you read the error messages, you will see that you are trying to manifest a file called layman.ebuild and there is no such file. You want to manifest an actual ebuild file in /home/portage/local/layman/ovh- overlay/app-admin/rtm/ It's all in the man page -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Manifest is empty
Alan McKinnon a écrit : On Wednesday 25 March 2009 15:22:39 laurent wrote: Hi, Verifying ebuild manifests !!! Manifest is empty: '/home/portage/local/layman/ovh-overlay/app-admin/rtm/Manifest' I tried ebuild layman.ebuild manifest Appending / to PORTDIR_OVERLAY... '/root/layman.ebuild' does not exist. What should I do ? It's blocking my emarge world grrr thanks Laurent If you read the error messages, you will see that you are trying to manifest a file called layman.ebuild and there is no such file. You want to manifest an actual ebuild file in /home/portage/local/layman/ovh- overlay/app-admin/rtm/ It's all in the man page yes! Got it working now. Thank you L
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:14:14PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:27:09 -0400, James Skinner wrote: Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It does make it hard to follow a thread, but email's are time-stamped. It doesn't mater what device is used to send the email, it is the recipient that is affected by the readability of the mail. Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys forgive me for the few times I answer on this list using my mobile device. --- TopperH http://topperh.blogspot.com pgpa0JkJPcJTP.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
I have discovered that the symbol font does not render reliably in browsers. Only one of my audience (of about a dozen people) could see the font properly, in a variety of browsers. The one who could is using Firefox, and I have not been able to determine what makes this one special -- I do not have access to that machine to check out configurations. I have a very simple HTML example at http://www.kosmanor.com/~kevin/symbol.html. By rights it should show The quick brown fox transliterated into greek letters. On most browsers set up for English, it seems to come out in latin letters, but there are no latin letter in that font, although these same browsers honor requests for a variety of other fonts. This is true even on some machines that definitely have the symbol font, and it's usable in word processing documents. Of course, that sample page is ancient HTML, but the problem first surfaced in HTML email being received on a much more sophisticated page by Yahoo Mail. There's a lot I don't know about character encodings, i18n and the rest, but this still seems discrimination against the symbol font. Any clues out there? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
... not sure what this really has to do with Gentoo specifically, but... Anyway I don't have a font called Symbol or any font alias called Symbol. I do, however, have a font called Wingdings, for example.
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:14:14PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:27:09 -0400, James Skinner wrote: Top-posting is totally fine when emailing from a mobile device. It does make it hard to follow a thread, but email's are time-stamped. It doesn't mater what device is used to send the email, it is the recipient that is affected by the readability of the mail. Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys forgive me for the few times I answer on this list using my mobile device. What? There's no down arrow on a BlackBerry? I don't have one of those devices, and fully intend to never have one, so if there's a stupid implementation of the reply function, I'd never know it. But just asking, that's all. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: kde 4.2.1 sill pulling in 3.5 packages
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: I was looking for a silver bullet, so I can just auto prevent installing anything that uses kde 3 * In that case, I would find a convenient package.keywords in a kde overlay and symlink to it from /etc/portage/package.mask/ Interesting approach. Or, in the gentoo docs for split kde ebuilds there is a longish compound command to find all packages from a previous kde-3 slot and remove them. Adapt that for what you want and redirect the output to a file in package.mask H, I'll look at this, cause once I get this system happy and everything critical supported, I've got more than a dozen workstations to permanently move to kde 4. I have some time before I do this so more research is warranted. Unfortunately, there is no support in portage that I know of to directly mask out a chunk of the tree. You have to fudge it. I like 'sliver bullets'. As a kid growing up in rural Florida, I have lots of success putting meat on the table with a 30-30 and silver bullets One shot and dinner was on the table. That mentality has never disappeared. For now I settled for masking off kdelibs in package.mask. With some fortuitous guidance and research, I probably can cobble together a list of 5 or 6 key kde 3.5 packages to mask off and that'll cover 98% of kde 3.5. Simple, easy and DONE. Any other ideas or thoughts are welcome. Once I cut a machine over to kde 4.x I want to be done with kde 3.5* on that machine. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: I have discovered that the symbol font does not render reliably in browsers. Only one of my audience (of about a dozen people) could see the font properly, in a variety of browsers. The one who could is using Firefox, and I have not been able to determine what makes this one special -- I do not have access to that machine to check out configurations. I have a very simple HTML example at http://www.kosmanor.com/~kevin/symbol.html. By rights it should show The quick brown fox transliterated into greek letters. On most browsers set up for English, it seems to come out in latin letters, but there are no latin letter in that font, although these same browsers honor requests for a variety of other fonts. This is true even on some machines that definitely have the symbol font, and it's usable in word processing documents. Of course, that sample page is ancient HTML, but the problem first surfaced in HTML email being received on a much more sophisticated page by Yahoo Mail. There's a lot I don't know about character encodings, i18n and the rest, but this still seems discrimination against the symbol font. Any clues out there? 1. Symbol is not a defined CSS font family. Your choices are: serif, sans-serif, cursive, fantasy, monospace. 2. Character encodings are easy: use Unicode. :) http://www.unicode.org/charts/symbols.html 3. Because neither your HTML nor your HTTP headers declare which character encoding the page uses, it is left up to the browser to make that decision (which obviously causes unpredictable results). You should really define this. 4. Similarly, check the character encoding setting on the browser to make sure it's not forcing it to be wrong. Firefox also has options to allow or disallow the page from using its own fonts, etc. 5. Make sure the requisite fonts exist on the viewer's computer and is properly installed.
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote: Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys forgive me for the few times I answer on this list using my mobile device. What? There's no down arrow on a BlackBerry? I don't have one of those devices, and fully intend to never have one, so if there's a stupid implementation of the reply function, I'd never know it. But just asking, that's all. There are many devices and webmail services that do quoting in the Microsoft Outlook style -- putting a one-line divider between the reply and the original message. No indentation or nesting of replies. This makes it harder to reply to specific parts of e-mails, but does show you the entire conversation unaltered (when everyone uses Outlook, anyway) -- and some companies actually /require/ that style of quoting, believe it or not. Replying to specific parts of an e-mail in Outlook (etc) is usually a joke. People resort to strange combinations of colorizing, changing fonts, emboldening, italicizing, etc. All of it is hideous and was solved 30 years ago by simple indentation and nesting of quotes... Thanks a lot, Microsoft. I use gmail for this and other mailing lists; it collapses quoted text and shows e-mails in a conversational view. It really does a good job of it and the top-posting and quoting-of-entire-emails really becomes a non-issue. It's the next best thing to having everyone quote properly.
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote: Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys forgive me for the few times I answer on this list using my mobile device. What? There's no down arrow on a BlackBerry? I don't have one of those devices, and fully intend to never have one, so if there's a stupid implementation of the reply function, I'd never know it. But just asking, that's all. There are many devices and webmail services that do quoting in the Microsoft Outlook style -- putting a one-line divider between the reply and the original message. No indentation or nesting of replies. This makes it harder to reply to specific parts of e-mails, but does show you the entire conversation unaltered (when everyone uses Outlook, anyway) -- and some companies actually /require/ that style of quoting, believe it or not. I will add that e-mail clients that are geared toward HTML e-mail tend to go the top-posting route, too, because doing the traditional quoting of HTML e-mails is nearly impossible.
[gentoo-user] WARNING - sunstudioexpress-2009.03 crashes my system
Hi a warning to you all. Trying to emerge dev-lang/sunstudioexpress-2009.03 spawns infinitely many bach process until the system is dead! Has anybody else made this experience, as well? Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] WARNING - sunstudioexpress-2009.03 crashes my system
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi a warning to you all. Trying to emerge dev-lang/sunstudioexpress-2009.03 spawns infinitely many bach process until the system is dead! Has anybody else made this experience, as well? This sounds like a challenge :) I'll try it now and watch closely.
Re: [gentoo-user] WARNING - sunstudioexpress-2009.03 crashes my system
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Helmut Jarausch escreveu: Hi a warning to you all. Trying to emerge dev-lang/sunstudioexpress-2009.03 spawns infinitely many bach process until the system is dead! Has anybody else made this experience, as well? Helmut. I've already installed this dev-lang/sunstudioexpress-2009.03 in monday and no problem with emerge. Inside my amd64 box. att. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknKUUwACgkQ35zeJy7JhCh+mQCfZLxUF6AO2azYOkyi7FrYOUCI 43UAoJjJXIcilZKBjTCDdXFOW3CW3bRc =Yjwz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] WARNING - sunstudioexpress-2009.03 crashes my system
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi a warning to you all. Trying to emerge dev-lang/sunstudioexpress-2009.03 spawns infinitely many bach process until the system is dead! Has anybody else made this experience, as well? This sounds like a challenge :) I'll try it now and watch closely. Success. Everything was normal. Wed Mar 25 10:50:28 2009 dev-lang/sunstudioexpress-2009.03 merge time: 3 minutes. I'm using ~amd64
Re: [gentoo-user] Floorplan software for Linux?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: Is there any usable 2D floorplan software for Linux? I'm not aware of anything specifically for floorplans. I think you might be able to get by with something like Kivio or other Visio clones.
Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: ... not sure what this really has to do with Gentoo specifically, but... Anyway I don't have a font called Symbol or any font alias called Symbol. I do, however, have a font called Wingdings, for example. The situation is the same on systems that DO have a Symbol font, including my Windows Vista. I changed the page to use font-family and included my Gentoo box's OpenSymbol. No joy. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: I have discovered that the symbol font does not render reliably in browsers. Only one of my audience (of about a dozen people) could see the font properly, in a variety of browsers. The one who could is using Firefox, and I have not been able to determine what makes this one special -- I do not have access to that machine to check out configurations. I have a very simple HTML example at http://www.kosmanor.com/~kevin/symbol.html. By rights it should show The quick brown fox transliterated into greek letters. On most browsers set up for English, it seems to come out in latin letters, but there are no latin letter in that font, although these same browsers honor requests for a variety of other fonts. This is true even on some machines that definitely have the symbol font, and it's usable in word processing documents. Of course, that sample page is ancient HTML, but the problem first surfaced in HTML email being received on a much more sophisticated page by Yahoo Mail. There's a lot I don't know about character encodings, i18n and the rest, but this still seems discrimination against the symbol font. Any clues out there? 1. Symbol is not a defined CSS font family. Your choices are: serif, sans-serif, cursive, fantasy, monospace. I've changed the CSS to use the font-family property which accepts actual fonts in addition to the generics you mention. No joy. 2. Character encodings are easy: use Unicode. :) http://www.unicode.org/charts/symbols.html Yes they're easy. My question is about whether they have any effect on use of Symbol So far I see no evidence of it. 3. Because neither your HTML nor your HTTP headers declare which character encoding the page uses, it is left up to the browser to make that decision (which obviously causes unpredictable results). You should really define this. My browser default is Latin-1. The original YahooMail page specified us-ascii. No difference. 4. Similarly, check the character encoding setting on the browser to make sure it's not forcing it to be wrong. Firefox also has options to allow or disallow the page from using its own fonts, etc. My browser is set to allow this. No joy. 5. Make sure the requisite fonts exist on the viewer's computer and is properly installed. It works in MS Works, Dreamweaver and on Gentoo, in OpenOffice. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Floorplan software for Linux?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: Is there any usable 2D floorplan software for Linux? I've tried sweethome3d, but it seems to be missing a lot of very basic features. The 2D floorplan part of it doesn't seem to work very well (I don't care about the 3D stuff). Some people recommend generic 2D mechanical CAD software (e.g. QCAD, PythonCAD), but that seems like a rather brutal way to draw floorplans compared to a floorplan program that knows about walls, windows, and doors and will automatically dimension rooms and keep walls connected at the corners when you move them around. I really don't want to go back to the Windows App I've used in the past... -- Grant Grant, You don't want to go back to the windows app, or you don't want to go back to running Windows as a platform? I'm using a few old windows apps where there is no good OS alternative within a vmware/Win XP setup. This works fine for me for the maybe 60 minutes a week I need to use these things. I looked for the same sort of floor planning software a few years ago. I found nothing at that time. Good luck, Mark
[gentoo-user] Re: Time to move on?
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Albert Hopkins wrote: Uh.. you don't disable it. You simply don't use the alias. Oh, OK. Dale waves hand over head. If it is set up to add that option, how do you tell it not to use it? You can type backslash before a alias to not use the alias. alias ls='ls --color' now ls lists with colors and \ls just runs the first ls found in your $PATH -- Christer
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 17:16:51 Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 16:54:21 Momesso Andrea wrote: Unfortunatly my BlackBerry doesn't allow bottom posting. I hope you guys forgive me for the few times I answer on this list using my mobile device. What? There's no down arrow on a BlackBerry? I don't have one of those devices, and fully intend to never have one, so if there's a stupid implementation of the reply function, I'd never know it. But just asking, that's all. There are many devices and webmail services that do quoting in the Microsoft Outlook style -- putting a one-line divider between the reply and the original message. No indentation or nesting of replies. This makes it harder to reply to specific parts of e-mails, but does show you the entire conversation unaltered (when everyone uses Outlook, anyway) haha, fat chance of that on a Gentoo list :-) -- and some companies actually /require/ that style of quoting, believe it or not. sigh I know. I work for one. email style is driven by the sales people. But us techies ignore the rules and do it our way anyway - we admin the mail relays Replying to specific parts of an e-mail in Outlook (etc) is usually a joke. People resort to strange combinations of colorizing, changing fonts, emboldening, italicizing, etc. All of it is hideous and was solved 30 years ago by simple indentation and nesting of quotes... Thanks a lot, Microsoft. I use gmail for this and other mailing lists; it collapses quoted text and shows e-mails in a conversational view. It really does a good job of it and the top-posting and quoting-of-entire-emails really becomes a non-issue. It's the next best thing to having everyone quote properly. Yes, gmail is quite good at it in a browser. It's ben ages since I did that though - I pop my mail and just use the web end to scan the spam folder once a month -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user]
Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb: On Wednesday 25 March 2009, KH wrote: Pleas try an name your mails. This maes it a lot easyer to support you an to ind answers if somebody is searching for the same problem in the futur. Subect could be: /home - gnome-settings-daemon has crashed kh and he resend the mail with a subject. He just hit sent to early. Just a normal mistake. You could have sent your mail privately. That would have been a lot better, you know? I didn't realise but I do now. kh
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:00:15 +0100 laurent laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: Another question about emerge -v world, I go a empty manifest on layman. What should I do to fix that ? cd /usr/local/portage/layman/someoverlay/some/package \ repoman manifest -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] cleaning disfiles
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:33:58 +0100 laurent laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: But your real problem is a stupid original disk layout. Why don;t you decide to fix that instead of getting into cute tricks with symlinks? Because I let my server host install it with their default disk layout. When I realise it looks pretty un-servish I had already installed http server with client website on it. The simplest for me was to move folders because I did not find any 'how to' that say it would be simple de repartition with keeping your data on. It should be pretty easy to rsync /home to some other (temporary) place, 'pvcreate /dev/home-whatever' and lvcreate, say, a separate vol for portage (with it's ever-growing tree/distfiles) and for /home, leaving plenty of space to play with, should you need it either on these partitions or to create others. Well, LVM is just what I mean ;) -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Floorplan software for Linux?
On 2009-03-25, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any usable 2D floorplan software for Linux? I've tried sweethome3d, but it seems to be missing a lot of very basic features. The 2D floorplan part of it doesn't seem to work very well (I don't care about the 3D stuff). Some people recommend generic 2D mechanical CAD software [...] I really don't want to go back to the Windows App I've used in the past... You don't want to go back to the windows app, or you don't want to go back to running Windows as a platform? Some of both. The windows app of which I have a copy (Better Homes Gardens, IIRC) works well enough when you're editing the floorplan, but printing is pretty badly broken and required extensive hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing. I have a latptop that's set up to dual boot Gentoo and XP. In the past I booted into XP to run one or two apps (mostly HR Block Tax Cut). The NTFS partition is rather small, and every time I want to do something under windows, I end up having to futz around trying to free up disk space. I'm using a few old windows apps where there is no good OS alternative within a vmware/Win XP setup. This works fine for me for the maybe 60 minutes a week I need to use these things. I've used Qemu quite a bit for running Win2K (and eCos), and in many ways it's a lot easier than running MS-Windows on real hardware. Maybe I'll try installing the BHG floorplan program on Win2K under Qemu. I looked for the same sort of floor planning software a few years ago. I found nothing at that time. SweetHome3d is getting pretty close (it didn't exist the last time I was looing for floor-plan SW). But, it's still lacking a couple key features that I tend to use frequently. I think I could get by with SH3D if I gave up on the idea of drawing a floorplan for an entire level and just did one room per document. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Of course, you at UNDERSTAND about the PLAIDS visi.comin the SPIN CYCLE --
Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Paul Hartman 1. Symbol is not a defined CSS font family. Your choices are: serif, sans-serif, cursive, fantasy, monospace. I've changed the CSS to use the font-family property which accepts actual fonts in addition to the generics you mention. No joy. You're right. 2. Character encodings are easy: use Unicode. :) http://www.unicode.org/charts/symbols.html Yes they're easy. My question is about whether they have any effect on use of Symbol So far I see no evidence of it. Okay, now I realize Symbol is the name of a specific font. I hadn't really picked up on that before :) After a bit of Googling, it seems the accepted solution is to use HTML entities for those symbols and not try to use the raw characters as you are attempting to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references Does that contain all of the symbols you need? If there are any others, you should be able to use the unicode versions.
Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:38:31 -0700 Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Character encodings are easy: use Unicode. :) http://www.unicode.org/charts/symbols.html Yes they're easy. My question is about whether they have any effect on use of Symbol So far I see no evidence of it. They shouldn't, since such fonts' glyphs aren't aligned with any encoding afaik - it'd be rubbish, at best. It works in MS Works, Dreamweaver and on Gentoo, in OpenOffice. Well, it also works for me, if I change 'Symbol' to 'Luxi Mono', for example, which is a valid font name on my system. Since handling of such stuff as font-family is defined by browser, it's at best unwise to rely on 'Symbol' font definition, and, while IE6 is still around, even more so. You can use any decent font-rendering library to make browser-independent representation of such stuff, which is probably the only solution if you care whether end-user can see it or not. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floorplan software for Linux?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-03-25, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I have a latptop that's set up to dual boot Gentoo and XP. In the past I booted into XP to run one or two apps (mostly HR Block Tax Cut). The NTFS partition is rather small, and every time I want to do something under windows, I end up having to futz around trying to free up disk space. No!! Too hard! I'm set up the same way on one of my machine but I installed the Windows ext3 driver. Now my Windows programs can access or even be installed on a Linux partition. I created a directory on the ext3 drive where I installed the Windows programs and don't have to mess with these disk space issues anymore. Granted, I wouldn't really trust this driver on a ext3 partition I *really* cared about so I'm careful about where I allow it to write, but it does work me and hasn't caused any problems that I know of in the 2 years I've used it. http://www.fs-driver.org/ I like the vmware solution better though as I can use Windows from within Gentoo. It's fun to see a complete Windows desktop in a window, but it has it's problems also. Overall it's probably the primary way I'll be going in the future though. Hope this helps, at least with ideas. Cheers, Mark
[gentoo-user] Re: Floorplan software for Linux?
On 2009-03-25, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.fs-driver.org/ Cool, I'll have to remember that. I like the vmware solution better though as I can use Windows from within Gentoo. It's fun to see a complete Windows desktop in a window, but it has it's problems also. Overall it's probably the primary way I'll be going in the future though. Back when I used to use Win4Lin to run WinMe, I could even cut/paste back and forth between Linux and WinMe that was running in the VM. I haven't ever figured out how to do that suing Qemu/Win2K. [WinMe was _way_ more stable and noticably faster in Win4Lin than it was on real hardware, but none of the current crop of VM systems use the same sort of virtualization, so they loose out more on the speed end of things than Win4Lin did.] Hope this helps, at least with ideas. It does, thanks. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Hold the MAYO pass at the COSMIC AWARENESS ... visi.com
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
Michael Sullivan wrote: I did originally, but as I had to send it three different times and my message body wouldn't copy and paste correctly, I guess one went through that didn't have a subject line. It would help if gmail would show me the mails that I send in to mailing lists... I use Gamil to and I don't get copies of my replies either. I keep mine local so I just hit send then copy it over to the inbox so it makes sense. I may end up switching to Yahoo or something. Between this issue and the spam filter, I'm about done with gmail. I like a lot of things but those are two that get on my nerves. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] start X at startup without a login manager
On Friday 20 March 2009, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:09 AM, fei huang daniel.huang...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any xdm, gdm stuff but would like to start my windows manager directly at startup, cause I'm the only one that use it. I agree with Sebastian, you should try slim http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/SLiM What is the benefit of SLiM compared to vanilla xdm + Fluxbox? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] start X at startup without a login manager
* Mick (michaelkintz...@gmail.com) [25.03.09 21:04]: On Friday 20 March 2009, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:09 AM, fei huang daniel.huang...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any xdm, gdm stuff but would like to start my windows manager directly at startup, cause I'm the only one that use it. I agree with Sebastian, you should try slim http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/SLiM What is the benefit of SLiM compared to vanilla xdm + Fluxbox? autologin, shutdown and reboot Sebastian -- Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. Karl Marx s...@sti@N GÜNTHER mailto:sam...@guenther-roetgen.de pgp2XqqqRBi43.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] start X at startup without a login manager
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 20 March 2009, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:09 AM, fei huang daniel.huang...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any xdm, gdm stuff but would like to start my windows manager directly at startup, cause I'm the only one that use it. I agree with Sebastian, you should try slim http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/SLiM What is the benefit of SLiM compared to vanilla xdm + Fluxbox? The original poster apparently did not want to use XDM. SLiM is simplistic (no remote access, etc), and supposedly more secure (does not need to run as root).
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: I did originally, but as I had to send it three different times and my message body wouldn't copy and paste correctly, I guess one went through that didn't have a subject line. It would help if gmail would show me the mails that I send in to mailing lists... I use Gamil to and I don't get copies of my replies either. I keep mine local so I just hit send then copy it over to the inbox so it makes sense. I may end up switching to Yahoo or something. Between this issue and the spam filter, I'm about done with gmail. I like a lot of things but those are two that get on my nerves. My sent mail shows up fine on gmail. What's the problem you're having with the spam filter? It seems to be one of the best in my experience.
[gentoo-user] layman: could not connect to server
Hello, I've got a problem concerning syncing of some overlays with layman: layman -s vmware * Running command /usr/bin/svn up /usr/local/portage/layman/vmware... svn: OPTIONS of 'http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/vmware/trunk': could not connect to server (http://overlays.gentoo.org) * * Errors: * -- * * Failed to sync overlay vmware. * Error was: Syncing overlay vmware returned status 256! But pointing firefox to http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/vmware/trunk lists the directory. Same problem arose by syncing the sabayon overlay. Courageously removing this overlay with layman -d sabayon now I'm unable to add it again! Same error as mentioned before. Paradoxically syncing works with pro-audio overlay. All overlays use subversion. Re-emerging subversion doesn't change anything. I'm on ~amd64 subversion-1.6.0 layman-1.2.3 neon-0.28.4 Googling around didn't help. Any help is greatly appreciated. nico -- mailto: nicolai.beuerm...@gmx.de http://www.nico-beuermann.de gnupg fingerprint: 56DA 4E32 3A4A 52AC B769 DFC2 BF3E 9805 09BB 4259
[gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse?
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Thanasis schrieb: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? Hi, Tux is on vacation for 2.6.29 He will be back in some month. Tuz is a animal which might not be very long on earth any more. To get everybody know about his problem, he is in the kernel, know. kh
[gentoo-user] Re: linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=NzE1MA
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
Thanasis schrieb am 25.03.2009 21:50: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tux-takes-tasmanian-vacation Regards, Daniel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: I did originally, but as I had to send it three different times and my message body wouldn't copy and paste correctly, I guess one went through that didn't have a subject line. It would help if gmail would show me the mails that I send in to mailing lists... I use Gamil to and I don't get copies of my replies either. I keep mine local so I just hit send then copy it over to the inbox so it makes sense. I may end up switching to Yahoo or something. Between this issue and the spam filter, I'm about done with gmail. I like a lot of things but those are two that get on my nerves. My sent mail shows up fine on gmail. What's the problem you're having with the spam filter? It seems to be one of the best in my experience. I sort of covered this a while ago but in a nutshell, when I send a email to this list, I don't get a copy back. I have a copy in my sent box but not a copy that comes back from the list. I view this list threaded so it can confuse me if I forget to copy a message back. Someone could reply to my message and me not even know it was me they responded too. On the spam thing, I use POP access so I don't want any spam filtering. I do that on my end plus I used to get a LOT of false positives. Right now, I check via web mail and tell it NONE of what it thinks is spam is actually spam. It may mess up their filters but it is starting to send them to me so it is working a little at least. I'm sleepy so I hope this makes sense. o_- One eye half open. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on? - snippage
On 25 Mar 2009, at 07:06, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 03:40:51 Stroller wrote: Every time you bottom post with more than a page or screenful of quoting, a top-posting is justified. Every time you find you have a screenful of quoted text you should just trim out the extraneous crap and return the mail to sanity. As I have done here. That's great. Can you do that for all the multipage emails that reach my mailbox, please? I find the inability - of otherwise intelligent people - to accommodate or see validity in differing points of view, quite astounding. I'm not saying you should suddenly change your opinion and take the opposite position... but I wish that *just once* some of the bottom- posting snobs would accept that people who top-post just *might* have reasons for doing it. During top- vs bottom-posting flamewars, one of the standard reasons given for top-posting is that it saves you having to scroll to the bottom of the post, and the standard reply to this from the bottom posters is well, you should be snipping anyway. Don't you think I might have heard that line before? So why don't you all practice it, then? Whilst you righteous bottom-posters all fail to snip rigourously - and I just chose to highlight just ONE instance of this today - you give fuel to the top-posting fire. Please don't bitch at me for taking the mickey, trying to illustrate a point. Bitch at all the fucknuts who are too darn lazy to snip. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on? - snippage
Can you ALL please take this off-topic conversation off list. This is a general support list used by many users of a wide range of experience, therefore you can not expect to be able to enforce any standards, either way. In addition, please keep language clean on this list. AllenJB
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: There are many devices and webmail services that do quoting in the Microsoft Outlook style -- putting a one-line divider between the reply and the original message. No indentation or nesting of replies. This makes it harder to reply to specific parts of e-mails, but does show you the entire conversation unaltered (when everyone uses Outlook, anyway) -- and some companies actually /require/ that style of quoting, believe it or not. Maybe because it follows more closely (one of) the standard ways of filing correspondence - maintaining a paper file by adding each new document on top on top of the 'pile'.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
on 03/25/2009 11:04 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. OK. :-) But I must say, I was a bit shocked, when I first saw it,...I thought...hey, has my system been compromised ? :-)
[gentoo-user] How to configure a recent X11 ?
Hi, one reads at several places that 'xorg.conf' is dead we now have to write hal-fdi-policy files. Especially after upgrading xorg-server X11 doesn't come up anymore since there is a race condition between hal and xorg. Does anybody know of a transition guide on how to write xorg.conf together with /etc/hal/fdi/policy files. Many thanks for pointer. (Currently X11 causes a lot of stress especially if one has to use the evdev driver) Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on? - snippage
AllenJB wrote: Can you ALL please take this off-topic conversation off list. +1 In addition, please keep language clean on this list. +1 Well said.
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
gOn Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I sort of covered this a while ago but in a nutshell, when I send a email to this list, I don't get a copy back. I have a copy in my sent box but not a copy that comes back from the list. I view this list threaded so it can confuse me if I forget to copy a message back. Someone could reply to my message and me not even know it was me they responded too. I know of two 100% sure ways to do this, and one possible way. 1. Use the web-based interface. My sent emails on this list show up in the thread where they belong. I know, I know. :) 2. Use IMAP and utilize gmail's labels. For instance, I have a filter set up to apply the gentoo label to anything on this list and skip the inbox. In Thunderbird, the gentoo label shows up as a folder under my gmail account. All new messages from the list show up there, and my sent mail does as well. When I click that folder in Thunderbird, I can see the threaded view of all messages on this list -- including my own. 3. If IMAP is not an option and you must use POP, perhaps you can set up a filter on gmail to move your sent mail to the inbox, or set up your e-mail client to BCC yourself on every sent message. On the spam thing, I use POP access so I don't want any spam filtering. I do that on my end plus I used to get a LOT of false positives. Right now, I check via web mail and tell it NONE of what it thinks is spam is actually spam. It may mess up their filters but it is starting to send them to me so it is working a little at least. You can disable spam filtering. Set up a filter to catch all of your e-mail and use the Never send it to Spam option. I am on mailing lists that deal with spam and phishing, probably the majority of the messages would go to spam without that feature. On the web interface, it even puts a little note next to the message that says something to the effect of Gmail thinks this is spam, but because of your filter we've allowed it anyway. Good luck :) Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 23:51:30 Thanasis wrote: on 03/25/2009 11:04 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. OK. :-) But I must say, I was a bit shocked, when I first saw it,...I thought...hey, has my system been compromised ? :-) If you were shocked when you saw the carton version, imagine how you will feel the first time you hear one of them scream in real life! They howl like a banshee - hence the name devil -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] How to get plain ascii from man?
How do you get a plain ascii file (no backspacing, no escape sequences) out of man? Running it through col or colcrt doesn't work anymore, because the default output contains ANSI color escape sequences. grotty apparently outputs ANSI color escape sequences regardless of whether or not the output is a tty and regardless of the TERM setting. Who decided that everyting in the friggin' world was an ANSI color crt even if it's not a tty and TERM isn't set? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Am I SHOPLIFTING? at visi.com
Re: [gentoo-user] How to configure a recent X11 ?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, one reads at several places that 'xorg.conf' is dead we now have to write hal-fdi-policy files. Especially after upgrading xorg-server X11 doesn't come up anymore since there is a race condition between hal and xorg. Does anybody know of a transition guide on how to write xorg.conf together with /etc/hal/fdi/policy files. Many thanks for pointer. (Currently X11 causes a lot of stress especially if one has to use the evdev driver) Basically, if you want to use the old way (xorg.conf), do not emerge evdev and do not use hal use flag in xorg-server. If you want to use the new way, put evdev in your INPUT_DEVICES, put hal in USE flags for xorg-server, make sure hald is emerged and running, make your user part of plugdev group, make sure Event interface is enabled in your kernel, and customize the FDI files in /etc/hal/policy/ (which contain the same options as xorg.conf but formatted differently). There are some sample FDI files in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/. I think the xorg-server ebuild even converts some of these automatically, I'm not sure... Once it is all set, your xorg.conf will contain almost nothing. In my case it only has the nvidia driver definition... but I don't even have modelines or anything. It auto-detects my monitor capabilities. Of course you can override it if you desire. You can use the FDI files to set up your device-specific preferences (like button mappings on a touchpad). Ubuntu's wiki has some good info about input device configuration and creating the FDI files. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input Good luck, Paul
[gentoo-user] Re: How to get plain ascii from man?
On 2009-03-25, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: How do you get a plain ascii file (no backspacing, no escape sequences) out of man? I know I can always drop down 2 levels and do somthing like this: bzcat /usr/share/man/bash.1.bz2 | troff -Tascii -mandoc | grotty -bcu man.txt But, I'm surprised that there's no higher level method like the trusty old command that worked for at least 20 years: man bash | col -b man.txt -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! A can of ASPARAGUS, at 73 pigeons, some LIVE ammo, visi.comand a FROZEN DAQUIRI!!
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get plain ascii from man?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: How do you get a plain ascii file (no backspacing, no escape sequences) out of man? Running it through col or colcrt doesn't work anymore, because the default output contains ANSI color escape sequences. grotty apparently outputs ANSI color escape sequences regardless of whether or not the output is a tty and regardless of the TERM setting. Who decided that everyting in the friggin' world was an ANSI color crt even if it's not a tty and TERM isn't set? Edit /etc/man.conf and add -c to the commandline for TROFF, NROFF and JNROFF. Then man program | col -bf or your method of choice should work. There is a note in the man.conf comments about it.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to get plain ascii from man?
On 2009-03-25, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: How do you get a plain ascii file (no backspacing, no escape sequences) out of man? Running it through col or colcrt doesn't work anymore, because the default output contains ANSI color escape sequences. grotty apparently outputs ANSI color escape sequences regardless of whether or not the output is a tty and regardless of the TERM setting. Who decided that everyting in the friggin' world was an ANSI color crt even if it's not a tty and TERM isn't set? Edit /etc/man.conf and add -c to the commandline for TROFF, NROFF and JNROFF. Then man program | col -bf or your method of choice should work. There is a note in the man.conf comments about it. That didn't work for me. Does it work for you? I also tried manually running groff using the -c flag, and that didn't work either. [Actually, I didn't edit /etc/man.conf -- I copied it somewhere else and edited that file, then pointed man to the modified file using the -C option.] -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I would like to at urinate in an OVULAR, visi.comporcelain pool --
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to get plain ascii from man?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-03-25, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: How do you get a plain ascii file (no backspacing, no escape sequences) out of man? Running it through col or colcrt doesn't work anymore, because the default output contains ANSI color escape sequences. grotty apparently outputs ANSI color escape sequences regardless of whether or not the output is a tty and regardless of the TERM setting. Who decided that everyting in the friggin' world was an ANSI color crt even if it's not a tty and TERM isn't set? Edit /etc/man.conf and add -c to the commandline for TROFF, NROFF and JNROFF. Then man program | col -bf or your method of choice should work. There is a note in the man.conf comments about it. That didn't work for me. Does it work for you? I also tried manually running groff using the -c flag, and that didn't work either. [Actually, I didn't edit /etc/man.conf -- I copied it somewhere else and edited that file, then pointed man to the modified file using the -C option.] Yes, it works for me. Without the -c option it put partial ANSI codes all over, but with the -c added to man.conf piping it through col -bf produces clean plain text output.
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 16:56 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: gOn Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I sort of covered this a while ago but in a nutshell, when I send a email to this list, I don't get a copy back. I have a copy in my sent box but not a copy that comes back from the list. I view this list threaded so it can confuse me if I forget to copy a message back. Someone could reply to my message and me not even know it was me they responded too. I know of two 100% sure ways to do this, and one possible way. 1. Use the web-based interface. My sent emails on this list show up in the thread where they belong. I know, I know. :) 2. Use IMAP and utilize gmail's labels. For instance, I have a filter set up to apply the gentoo label to anything on this list and skip the inbox. In Thunderbird, the gentoo label shows up as a folder under my gmail account. All new messages from the list show up there, and my sent mail does as well. When I click that folder in Thunderbird, I can see the threaded view of all messages on this list -- including my own. 3. If IMAP is not an option and you must use POP, perhaps you can set up a filter on gmail to move your sent mail to the inbox, or set up your e-mail client to BCC yourself on every sent message. On the spam thing, I use POP access so I don't want any spam filtering. I do that on my end plus I used to get a LOT of false positives. Right now, I check via web mail and tell it NONE of what it thinks is spam is actually spam. It may mess up their filters but it is starting to send them to me so it is working a little at least. You can disable spam filtering. Set up a filter to catch all of your e-mail and use the Never send it to Spam option. I am on mailing lists that deal with spam and phishing, probably the majority of the messages would go to spam without that feature. On the web interface, it even puts a little note next to the message that says something to the effect of Gmail thinks this is spam, but because of your filter we've allowed it anyway. Good luck :) Paul My problem is that I'm never sure if my emails actually get to the list. If I send a question in and don't get it back, and nobody responds to it, what else am I supposed to assume, except that my original post got lost somewhere on the Internet...
Re: [gentoo-user] linux boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 05:51:30 pm Thanasis wrote: on 03/25/2009 11:04 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 22:50:46 Thanasis wrote: Has anyone seen the boot logo in 2.6.29-gentoo sources? usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_vga16.ppm Why did they substitute the penguin with this ugly disguised mouse? It's not a mouse, it's a Tasmanian Devil which isn't a rodent but the worlds only surviving predatory marsupial. The animal population is under threat from the only cancer known to science to be transmitted via biting. It affects the devils around the mouth and jaw (where they routinely bite each other) and is fatal in every known case within 3 to 9 months. The most recent Linux Dev Conference was in Australia and included a drive to raise awareness and funds to help protect this endangered animal. Our devil has a name - Tuz. OK. :-) But I must say, I was a bit shocked, when I first saw it,...I thought...hey, has my system been compromised ? :-) I feel sorry for the animal... but I have to have my penguin back... I changed it myself... -- * From the desk of: Jerome D. McBride 20:21:44 up 99 days, 1:31, 5 users, load average: 1.16, 1.03, 1.01 *
Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on?
Graham Murray wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: There are many devices and webmail services that do quoting in the Microsoft Outlook style -- putting a one-line divider between the reply and the original message. No indentation or nesting of replies. This makes it harder to reply to specific parts of e-mails, but does show you the entire conversation unaltered (when everyone uses Outlook, anyway) -- and some companies actually /require/ that style of quoting, believe it or not. Maybe because it follows more closely (one of) the standard ways of filing correspondence - maintaining a paper file by adding each new document on top on top of the 'pile'. So that's why when I need to know the history of a conversation that I have to flip that pile of papers over and start from the bottom. I always wondered why that was. It made more work then, it still does. Makes perfect sense. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
Paul Hartman wrote: gOn Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I sort of covered this a while ago but in a nutshell, when I send a email to this list, I don't get a copy back. I have a copy in my sent box but not a copy that comes back from the list. I view this list threaded so it can confuse me if I forget to copy a message back. Someone could reply to my message and me not even know it was me they responded too. I know of two 100% sure ways to do this, and one possible way. 1. Use the web-based interface. My sent emails on this list show up in the thread where they belong. I know, I know. :) I'm on dial-up and gmail doesn't like my slow connection. I get at least one error pop up on every page. This is not a option for me at least. 2. Use IMAP and utilize gmail's labels. For instance, I have a filter set up to apply the gentoo label to anything on this list and skip the inbox. In Thunderbird, the gentoo label shows up as a folder under my gmail account. All new messages from the list show up there, and my sent mail does as well. When I click that folder in Thunderbird, I can see the threaded view of all messages on this list -- including my own. I looked into IMAP a couple times and didn't like that either. I use folders and sort my mail that way. I have a folder for each gentoo mailing list I subscribe to, my friends, companies I do business with. My filters sort them as they come in. It works and I like it this way. 3. If IMAP is not an option and you must use POP, perhaps you can set up a filter on gmail to move your sent mail to the inbox, or set up your e-mail client to BCC yourself on every sent message. I have not tried the BCC option. I'm about to try that now tho. ;-) On the spam thing, I use POP access so I don't want any spam filtering. I do that on my end plus I used to get a LOT of false positives. Right now, I check via web mail and tell it NONE of what it thinks is spam is actually spam. It may mess up their filters but it is starting to send them to me so it is working a little at least. You can disable spam filtering. Set up a filter to catch all of your e-mail and use the Never send it to Spam option. I am on mailing lists that deal with spam and phishing, probably the majority of the messages would go to spam without that feature. On the web interface, it even puts a little note next to the message that says something to the effect of Gmail thinks this is spam, but because of your filter we've allowed it anyway. Good luck :) Paul I have searched the net, asked on this list a while back and nothing disabled the spam filter on google. I tried several different ways but none of them stops google from marking them as spam. I think they know people are trying to disable it and they adjust to make it not work. I like gmail but those two things, spam filter and not getting copies back, are really irritating. I do wish there was a way for me to fix this tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
Michael Sullivan wrote: My problem is that I'm never sure if my emails actually get to the list. If I send a question in and don't get it back, and nobody responds to it, what else am I supposed to assume, except that my original post got lost somewhere on the Internet... I ran into this the other day with a question about gtk and Seamonkey. It was a day or so before I got a reply so I didn't know if it got lost or if no one had a answer to my question. The funny thing is, when I do use the web version, it appears to be there. I may be wrong on that since I never opened one. It does say it is from me tho. Dale :-) :-) P. S. The BCC thing doesn't work either. Still no copy but I suspect that sucker is in the box on the web version again.
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I have searched the net, asked on this list a while back and nothing disabled the spam filter on google. I tried several different ways but none of them stops google from marking them as spam. I think they know people are trying to disable it and they adjust to make it not work. Well, the option to not send to spam has been working fine for me forever so I don't know what else to suggest. You should send a bug report to Google if you've told it not to send to spam and it still is, maybe they can figure out what's wrong.
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Michael Sullivan msulli1...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 16:56 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: gOn Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I sort of covered this a while ago but in a nutshell, when I send a email to this list, I don't get a copy back. I have a copy in my sent box but not a copy that comes back from the list. I view this list threaded so it can confuse me if I forget to copy a message back. Someone could reply to my message and me not even know it was me they responded too. I know of two 100% sure ways to do this, and one possible way. 1. Use the web-based interface. My sent emails on this list show up in the thread where they belong. I know, I know. :) 2. Use IMAP and utilize gmail's labels. For instance, I have a filter set up to apply the gentoo label to anything on this list and skip the inbox. In Thunderbird, the gentoo label shows up as a folder under my gmail account. All new messages from the list show up there, and my sent mail does as well. When I click that folder in Thunderbird, I can see the threaded view of all messages on this list -- including my own. 3. If IMAP is not an option and you must use POP, perhaps you can set up a filter on gmail to move your sent mail to the inbox, or set up your e-mail client to BCC yourself on every sent message. On the spam thing, I use POP access so I don't want any spam filtering. I do that on my end plus I used to get a LOT of false positives. Right now, I check via web mail and tell it NONE of what it thinks is spam is actually spam. It may mess up their filters but it is starting to send them to me so it is working a little at least. You can disable spam filtering. Set up a filter to catch all of your e-mail and use the Never send it to Spam option. I am on mailing lists that deal with spam and phishing, probably the majority of the messages would go to spam without that feature. On the web interface, it even puts a little note next to the message that says something to the effect of Gmail thinks this is spam, but because of your filter we've allowed it anyway. Good luck :) Paul My problem is that I'm never sure if my emails actually get to the list. If I send a question in and don't get it back, and nobody responds to it, what else am I supposed to assume, except that my original post got lost somewhere on the Internet... Since I've been on this list, I see two non-reply messages from you that went unanswered (both in the past week). 10 of the top 20 contributors to this list are using gmail so I think it's reasonable to assume your messages are getting through and unfortunately nobody knew how to help (which is frustrating). Is the problem that the list server doesn't send copies of your messages back to you, or is gmail hiding it somehow? I guess if the message-ID is the same, gmail would know the one in your sent mail is the same as the one it is receiving, so it'll consolidate it. If that's the case, maybe you would actually want to DELETE your sent mail to this list, that way when the list sends it back to you it'll be new again. I'm not sure if that would work. (This is assuming the list sends your own messages back to you)
[gentoo-user] Re: How to get plain ascii from man?
On 2009-03-25, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: Edit /etc/man.conf and add -c to the commandline for TROFF, NROFF and JNROFF. Then man program | col -bf or your method of choice should work. There is a note in the man.conf comments about it. That didn't work for me. Does it work for you? Doh! I added the -c to the GROFF line not on the TROFF line. I also tried manually running groff using the -c flag, and that didn't work either. The groff man page says that -c will be passed on to troff and will disable color output, but that doesn't seem to work. -- Grant
[gentoo-user] Boot via floppy from cdrom
Hi I had a very un-nice evening, trying to get my system back into a usable state, which I eventually managed, but that is another story. It made me realise I need a way to be able to use my cdrom drive to boot cds. Let me explain before you say 'huuhh!?' I bought a new dvdwriter a couple of weeks ago, and ever since I am no longer able to boot from cd (using that drive, its SATA). It seems its a bios bug or something, I even contacted the vendor (ASRock) and they sent me an updated flash image, which I was sofar unable to install, for some strange obscure reason.(I generally do know how to flash bioses, and strangely the 'official' bios images from their site work, just not the one support sent me, they are now offering to send me a pre-burnt bios chip, but I'm slighly reluctant to go that road...) So now I'm basically thinking to myself, ok, I have a floppy drive, so what I need is a floppy disk, with a small kernel and my sata-chipset driver and some mechanism for then booting of a (bootable)cd lying ready in my drive. So, any ideas how to do something like this? Maybe something ready made, or a convenient script. Everything I found regarding this, was using 2.3 kernels and were generally out of date :( Tom
Re: [gentoo-user] [SHOULD BE gnome-settings-daemon failed]
Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Michael Sullivan msulli1...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 16:56 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: gOn Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I sort of covered this a while ago but in a nutshell, when I send a email to this list, I don't get a copy back. I have a copy in my sent box but not a copy that comes back from the list. I view this list threaded so it can confuse me if I forget to copy a message back. Someone could reply to my message and me not even know it was me they responded too. I know of two 100% sure ways to do this, and one possible way. 1. Use the web-based interface. My sent emails on this list show up in the thread where they belong. I know, I know. :) 2. Use IMAP and utilize gmail's labels. For instance, I have a filter set up to apply the gentoo label to anything on this list and skip the inbox. In Thunderbird, the gentoo label shows up as a folder under my gmail account. All new messages from the list show up there, and my sent mail does as well. When I click that folder in Thunderbird, I can see the threaded view of all messages on this list -- including my own. 3. If IMAP is not an option and you must use POP, perhaps you can set up a filter on gmail to move your sent mail to the inbox, or set up your e-mail client to BCC yourself on every sent message. On the spam thing, I use POP access so I don't want any spam filtering. I do that on my end plus I used to get a LOT of false positives. Right now, I check via web mail and tell it NONE of what it thinks is spam is actually spam. It may mess up their filters but it is starting to send them to me so it is working a little at least. You can disable spam filtering. Set up a filter to catch all of your e-mail and use the Never send it to Spam option. I am on mailing lists that deal with spam and phishing, probably the majority of the messages would go to spam without that feature. On the web interface, it even puts a little note next to the message that says something to the effect of Gmail thinks this is spam, but because of your filter we've allowed it anyway. Good luck :) Paul My problem is that I'm never sure if my emails actually get to the list. If I send a question in and don't get it back, and nobody responds to it, what else am I supposed to assume, except that my original post got lost somewhere on the Internet... Since I've been on this list, I see two non-reply messages from you that went unanswered (both in the past week). I did get a reply so the list server is working fine. It just took a while and made me question whether it got lost somewhere. This has been a problem in the past, distant past as far as I know. I was just beginning to wonder since it was a while before it got a reply. 10 of the top 20 contributors to this list are using gmail so I think it's reasonable to assume your messages are getting through and unfortunately nobody knew how to help (which is frustrating). Is the problem that the list server doesn't send copies of your messages back to you, or is gmail hiding it somehow? I guess if the message-ID is the same, gmail would know the one in your sent mail is the same as the one it is receiving, so it'll consolidate it. If that's the case, maybe you would actually want to DELETE your sent mail to this list, that way when the list sends it back to you it'll be new again. I'm not sure if that would work. (This is assuming the list sends your own messages back to you) From the research I have done, it appears to be google and not even anything to do with Gentoo lists. It appears to do this with all mailing lists. I'm not a email guru but it appears that google picks up on the idea that it originated from that email account hence it already has a copy in the sent folder. So then it figures it doesn't need to send it any father. I think the biggest problem is that I use POP access and I'm on dial-up. I had serious issues with setting up filters in the first place. Some of the option are missing when you are in the slow mode and google doesn't like using fast mode because of my slow dial-up connection. Dale :-) :-) :-) P. S. How did this get over to this thread?
Re: [gentoo-user] Boot via floppy from cdrom
Why wast your time with floppies? Boot from a USB stick that has plenty of storage on it for kernels and drivers.
