Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on MacBook

2011-09-09 Thread covici
Moshe Kamensky moshe.kamen...@googlemail.com wrote: * Moshe Kamensky moshe.kamen...@googlemail.com [08/09/11 23:30]: * cov...@ccs.covici.com cov...@ccs.covici.com [08/09/11 23:18]: Moshe Kamensky moshe.kamen...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi There, I am trying to install Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Mick
On Friday 09 Sep 2011 00:26:33 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:39:21 -0400 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Friday 09 Sep 2011 00:26:33 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: In the case of Gentoo, the dialog is having place in the dev list, at this very moment. In the case of Fedora (and, I think, OpenSuse), the dialog is actually over. The Gentoo devs are just going with the flow. (This is how I

Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem with lowest CPU load, acceptable emerge performance, and stable?

2011-09-09 Thread Andrea Conti
So, can anyone recommend me a filesystem that fulfills my following needs: Scenario: vFirewall (virtual Firewall) that is going to be deployed at my IaaS Cloud Provider. Disk I/O Characteristic: Occasional writes during 'normal' usage, once-a-week eix-sync + emerge -avuD Priority:

[gentoo-user] Re: /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 09/09/11, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Donnerstag, 8. September 2011, 23:44:41 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:29:40 + Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Would it not be possible to have a minimal /usr tree in the root partition for udev's use at boot time,

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Paul Colquhoun
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 04:03:53 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: No, I think you haven't been reading carefully enough. Again: 1. In 2011, we need a dynamic /dev tree. I'm not going to argue why. 2. udev, successor of devfs, which was successor of the classical /dev tree, after years of design and

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Paul Colquhoun wrote: From my point of view, as an old Solaris admin, point 3) is the problem. If what-ever-it-is is needed during boot, it should be in /sbin or /bin or /lib If it is curently in /usr/* then it is in the wrong place, and that package should be modified. Later in the thread

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 08, 2011 06:55:32 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I htink almost everyone understand this. Regards. I think you are one of *very* few that understands this. This reminds

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 03:53:26 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Colquhoun wrote: From my point of view, as an old Solaris admin, point 3) is the problem. If what-ever-it-is is needed during boot, it should be in /sbin or /bin or /lib If it is curently in /usr/* then it is in the

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 08, 2011 03:01:10 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:35 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2011-09-08 16:51, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: But the freedom is still there. The

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Freitag, 9. September 2011, 10:06:21 schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht: The 09/09/11, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Donnerstag, 8. September 2011, 23:44:41 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:29:40 + Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Would it not be possible to have a

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:34:56 -0400 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need every possible thing that udev could ever run to be avialable on /, just the things that are essential. That is quite a small list subset of the full list of all possible devices: All HID

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Alex Schuster
Dale writes: Wow, what a big thread. While I also do not really like udev requiring /usr at boot time, I also understand that there are some arguments pro doing so. But then, I wonder what the big deal is. If an initramfs is now required for people using a separate /usr, then let's all use an

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Alex Schuster
David W Noon writes: The more I think about this merge of / and /usr, the dumber I think the idea is. As I wrote in an earlier message on this list, the initramfs will be many times larger than the kernel itself. Indeed, my /boot partition is only 32 MiB, and that will be too small to

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on MacBook

2011-09-09 Thread Moshe Kamensky
* cov...@ccs.covici.com cov...@ccs.covici.com [09/09/11 02:15]: Moshe Kamensky moshe.kamen...@googlemail.com wrote: * Moshe Kamensky moshe.kamen...@googlemail.com [08/09/11 23:30]: * cov...@ccs.covici.com cov...@ccs.covici.com [08/09/11 23:18]: Moshe Kamensky

[gentoo-user] Re: Wireless Configuration...

2011-09-09 Thread Moritz Schlarb
Am 07.09.2011 16:06, schrieb Michael Mol: I believe NetworkManager provides WPA supplicant functionlaity, so I don't think you need wpa_supplicant if you have NetworkManager. It's been a *long* time (about five years) since I messed with wireless configuration daemons, though. Lots of things

[gentoo-user] user mount authorization failed

2011-09-09 Thread Space Cake
Hi, After playing with remove gnome and kde I have only one problem. When I try to access my external driver by clicking on the icon in Thunar I'm getting message unauthorized. What mystical file I have to edit to restore this functionality which was ok in my other environment than xfce? Thank

Re: [gentoo-user] user mount authorization failed

2011-09-09 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi, Am Freitag, 9. September 2011, 14:14:40 schrieb Space Cake: Hi, After playing with remove gnome and kde I have only one problem. When I try to access my external driver by clicking on the icon in Thunar I'm getting message unauthorized. What mystical file I have to edit to restore this

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Alex Schuster wrote: David W Noon writes: The more I think about this merge of / and /usr, the dumber I think the idea is. As I wrote in an earlier message on this list, the initramfs will be many times larger than the kernel itself. Indeed, my /boot partition is only 32 MiB, and that will

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Mick
On Friday 09 Sep 2011 12:35:47 Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: Wow, what a big thread. While I also do not really like udev requiring /usr at boot time, I also understand that there are some arguments pro doing so. But then, I wonder what the big deal is. If an initramfs is now required

Re: [gentoo-user] Wireless Configuration...

2011-09-09 Thread BRM
- Original Message - From: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Wireless Configuration... OK, so if you restore the two lines and this error goes away, can you then initialise the device without any other errors? So far as I am aware. Assuming that rfkill

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Alex Schuster
Dale writes: Alex Schuster wrote: David W Noon writes: The more I think about this merge of / and /usr, the dumber I think the idea is. As I wrote in an earlier message on this list, the initramfs will be many times larger than the kernel itself. Indeed, my /boot partition is only

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on MacBook

2011-09-09 Thread covici
Moshe Kamensky moshe.kamen...@googlemail.com wrote: * cov...@ccs.covici.com cov...@ccs.covici.com [09/09/11 02:15]: Moshe Kamensky moshe.kamen...@googlemail.com wrote: * Moshe Kamensky moshe.kamen...@googlemail.com [08/09/11 23:30]: * cov...@ccs.covici.com cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I htink almost everyone understand this. Regards. I think you are one of *very* few that understands

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Wireless Configuration...

2011-09-09 Thread Albert W. Hopkins
On Friday, September 9 at 13:53 (+0200), Moritz Schlarb said: I don't think so! NetworkManager generates a configuration file on the fly for wpa_supplicant, so you still need it, you just don't need to configure it anywhere else than NetworkManager! Well, not entirely through an on-the-fly

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on MacBook

2011-09-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 September 2011, at 04:50, Moshe Kamensky wrote: ... I was happy to soon... It now boots, but after asking me about keyboard layout, it tries to find the cdrom and fails, with messages like: Looking for CDROM Attempting to mount media /dev/sda1 Attempting to mount media /dev/sda2

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread pk
On 2011-09-09 13:35, Alex Schuster wrote: When I switched to using an initramfs, it was not very complicated. I simply use genkernel. With CLEAN=no and MRPROPER=no, it uses my /usr/src/linux/.config and does not change the kernel options. Then comes genkernel --install --lvm -luks all, and

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Alex Schuster
pk writes: On 2011-09-09 13:35, Alex Schuster wrote: When I switched to using an initramfs, it was not very complicated. I simply use genkernel. With CLEAN=no and MRPROPER=no, it uses my /usr/src/linux/.config and does not change the kernel options. Then comes genkernel --install

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: pk writes: On 2011-09-09 13:35, Alex Schuster wrote: When I switched to using an initramfs, it was not very complicated. I simply use genkernel. With CLEAN=no and MRPROPER=no, it uses my /usr/src/linux/.config and

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread pk
On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote: Can I slap whoever started this? The more I think on this, the worse it Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at it, slap him from me too! ;-) It _may_ be this guy that's responsible for this crap: http://linuxplumbersconf.org/ocw/users/58 Also:

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Freitag, 9. September 2011, 19:24:06 schrieb pk: On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote: Can I slap whoever started this? The more I think on this, the worse it Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at it, slap him from me too! ;-) It _may_ be this guy that's responsible for

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:41:07 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: David W Noon writes: The more I think about this merge of / and /usr, the dumber I think the idea is. As I wrote in an earlier message on this list, the initramfs will be many times

Re: [gentoo-user] using icc with portage

2011-09-09 Thread Tamer Higazi
As I say, I did once. There is no fallback to gcc if icc wouldn't compile a package. I know, that the ICC compiler promise to give more performance However, collect your experience and speak with the gentoo maintainer for the icc compiler packages to have a fallback routine. Would be really

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Alex Schuster
David W Noon writes: On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:41:07 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: David W Noon writes: The more I think about this merge of / and /usr, the dumber I think the idea is. As I wrote in an earlier message on this list, the

Re: [gentoo-user] using icc with portage

2011-09-09 Thread justin
On 9/9/11 9:39 PM, Tamer Higazi wrote: As I say, I did once. There is no fallback to gcc if icc wouldn't compile a package. I know, that the ICC compiler promise to give more performance However, collect your experience and speak with the gentoo maintainer for the icc compiler packages

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
pk wrote: On 2011-09-09 13:35, Alex Schuster wrote: When I switched to using an initramfs, it was not very complicated. I simply use genkernel. With CLEAN=no and MRPROPER=no, it uses my /usr/src/linux/.config and does not change the kernel options. Then comes genkernel --install --lvm -luks

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Alex Schuster wrote: Right, I somehow overlooked this, thanks for pointing that out. Dale, if you want to avoid the initramfs, what about moving large stuff like /usr/src to another location and symlinking it? That's a hack, but a small one compared to what an initramfs is :) Wonko I

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Freitag, 9. September 2011, 19:24:06 schrieb pk: On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote: Can I slap whoever started this? The more I think on this, the worse it Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at it, slap him from me too! ;-) It _may_ be this guy

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: Alex Schuster wrote: David W Noon writes: The more I think about this merge of / and /usr, the dumber I think the idea is. As I wrote in an earlier message on this list, the initramfs will be many times larger than the kernel itself. Indeed, my /boot

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Freitag, 9. September 2011, 19:24:06 schrieb pk: On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote: Can I slap whoever started this?  The more I think on this, the worse it Yes Dale, you have my permission!

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: I'm lucky, I can vote with my feet. Out of 140, I have two servers that *require* Linux. One runs Sybase ASE, the other runs Oracle. Everything else works like a bomb on FreeBSD. kthankxbyeudev, thanksfornotplayingnicely Not everyone else is so fortunate though. I guess

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I may go the BSD route too if I leave Gentoo.  So, my feet works too.  I wonder if I would even be missed here?  :/ I'd hate it if you left. In the short time I've been on this list, your usage habits and history are the ones I've

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: Doesn't Gentoo have a BSD target? The problem here is with udev, which doesn't apply to BSD, AFAIK. Gentoo/BSD might be a good direction to go. Also, where does FreeBSD's kernel stand, with respect to device drivers? If I recall correctly, Gentoo is sort of based on BSD.

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-09 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I may go the BSD route too if I leave Gentoo. So, my feet works too. I wonder if I would even be missed here? :/ I'd hate it if you left. In the short time I've been on this list, your usage habits and

[gentoo-user] ALTGR-INTL keymapping for the Linux console?

2011-09-09 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, is it possible to use an pc101,us,altgr-intl keymapping for the linux console as I use it under X-Windows without mapping each special key manually? Under /usr/share/keymaps I didn't find anything named that way... Thank you very much for any help in advance! Have a nice weekend! Best

Re: [gentoo-user] ALTGR-INTL keymapping for the Linux console?

2011-09-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:01 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is it possible to use an pc101,us,altgr-intl keymapping for the linux console as I use it under X-Windows without mapping each special key manually? Under /usr/share/keymaps I didn't find anything named that way... For

Re: [gentoo-user] ALTGR-INTL keymapping for the Linux console?

2011-09-09 Thread meino . cramer
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com [11-09-10 07:28]: On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:01 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is it possible to use an pc101,us,altgr-intl keymapping for the linux console as I use it under X-Windows without mapping each special key manually? Under

Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem with lowest CPU load, acceptable emerge performance, and stable?

2011-09-09 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 12:26:15AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote So, can anyone recommend me a filesystem that fulfills my following needs: Scenario: vFirewall (virtual Firewall) that is going to be deployed at my IaaS Cloud Provider. Disk I/O Characteristic: Occasional writes during 'normal'