Re: [gentoo-user] busybox/mdev as a possible alternative to udev?

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:25:45PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote > It does look like there will be some problems with Xorg and detecting > input devices. I spent a few minuted digging around...and I have no > leads on where Xorg ties into udev or hotplug. Heading to sleep for > the night. This is getti

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Sep 16, 2011 3:52 AM, "Mark Knecht" wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:18:27 +0100 > > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:07:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> > >> > While writing this the 24th trade completed (a winne

Re: [gentoo-user] TMux urxvt and Unicode

On Sep 16, 2011 9:59 AM, wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am using urxvt in conjunction with the terminus font without > problems. > When I call > >pstree -G -p > > everything is fine. > > Now I start tmux inside urxvt and do the same > >pstree -G -p > > and now all horizontal and vertical lines a

Re: [gentoo-user] busybox/mdev as a possible alternative to udev?

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: >  There's another thread for complaining about the brokenness of the > proposed udev implementation.  This one is for doing something about it. > After reading the udev-complaints thread, I joined the busybox list, and > asked if busybox's simp

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 16, 2011 9:11 AM, "Dale" > wrote: > > Now usually when I boot into a dual OS, I go to a console and type in mount and make certain of what drive / is mounted too. Example for this, if mounted to sda* then it is my main OS and if mount

[gentoo-user] TMux urxvt and Unicode

Hi, I am using urxvt in conjunction with the terminus font without problems. When I call pstree -G -p everything is fine. Now I start tmux inside urxvt and do the same pstree -G -p and now all horizontal and vertical lines are no existing any more. Crosspoints are drawn as '+'. C

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

On Sep 16, 2011 9:11 AM, "Dale" wrote: > > Dale wrote: >> >> << SNIP >> >> >> What I am reading so far: >> >> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs >> >> I did a google search and found some others boot this is more Gentoo oriented. So, anything wrong with this as a guide? Pointers to others

[gentoo-user] busybox/mdev as a possible alternative to udev?

There's another thread for complaining about the brokenness of the proposed udev implementation. This one is for doing something about it. After reading the udev-complaints thread, I joined the busybox list, and asked if busybox's simple mdev feature could replace udev. See thread http://thread

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

Dale wrote: << SNIP >> What I am reading so far: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs I did a google search and found some others boot this is more Gentoo oriented. So, anything wrong with this as a guide? Pointers to others if they are better would be great. Here starts a learning pr

[gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

OK. The Chief Idiot is going to experiment some. You ALL know what this means right? Yep, I'm about to really make a mess of things so here comes some questions. This is a result of the /usr and udev crap. So, go to -dev and blame them, not me. ;-) OK. I have three drives in my rig. On

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Guilherme > wrote: >> >> I do not know the state of Geanny since I last checked (couple of years >> ago), but the highlight capabilites of KDevelop got my eye. It highlights >> local variables in dif

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on a Macbook Air

Hi, I don't have a Macbook Air, but I have two iMac desktops and one macbook pro laptop. The two imacs run Gentoo without any problems. I installed refit to switch between Gentoo and osx. For the laptop, I had trouble booting from the installation cd. A few days ago someone on this list sugges

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: >> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:16:03 PM Joost Roeleveld wrote: >>> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:42:23 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: >> >>> > I would estimate that the vast, vast, v

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:16:03 PM Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:42:23 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: > >> > I would estimate that the vast, vast, vast majority of users are those >> > such as myslelf, who h

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:16:03 PM Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:42:23 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: > > I would estimate that the vast, vast, vast majority of users are those > > such as myslelf, who have no opinion whatsoever, and either will not be > > affected

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:05:29 PM Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Guilherme > > > > wrote: > >> I do not know the state of Geanny since I last checked (couple of > >> years > >> ago), but the highl

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 03:04:37 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Mick wrote: >> > On Thursday 15 Sep 2011 16:13:26 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: >> > 1.  The minimal initramfs will only need to be

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Alexander Tanyukevich wrote: > Try eclipse with cdk (C/C++ developr kit). Last time I've used it 3 > years ago, but it was really good... Sorry it's called CDT. -- Alexander Tanyukevich atanyukev...@gmail.com

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > > I'm not touching KDE again for a while. I got nailed pretty bad with a > NVidia/Konsole/KWin, and I really wasn't using much of KDE. > > That said, I might poke KDevelop again; I haven't poked it in years. > Geany is new since I last dug arou

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:37:17 PM pk wrote: > On 2011-09-15 16:57, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > Of course you can solve it differently, for example splitting udev as > > Joost proposes. But then is more code to maintain, and the number of > > possible setups is suddenly the double it wa

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: [ Hugemongous snip ] > If the Gentoo-devs come up with a fool-proof solution No such thing in computing, I think. But I also think is really laudable that you want to ensure no many users will get bitten by this change. And I also tend to b

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:15:27 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:37:53 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > There are 3 solutions for this: > > 1) The easy way out: the whole user-space must be available before udev > > 2) udev actually includes correct error-handling for this

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 03:04:37 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Mick wrote: > > On Thursday 15 Sep 2011 16:13:26 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: > > 1. The minimal initramfs will only need to be built once (and rarely > > rebuilt thereafter). This removes

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:42:23 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 01:36:56 PM Dale wrote: >> > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > > But that's the thing: we (you and me) don't see the situation the >> > > sa

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:43:17 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > (This mail is to keep the guys un -user in the loop about -devel). > > OK, so Joost posted his proposal to -dev: The thread on gentoo-dev is not yet finished

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:42:23 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: > On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 01:36:56 PM Dale wrote: > > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > > But that's the thing: we (you and me) don't see the situation the > > > same > > > way. To me, the proposed changes are for the better. >

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Am 15.09.2011 22:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler >> wrote: >>> Am 15.09.2011 16:57, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >>> with an initramfs you will be able to do anything, so it will

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: > On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 01:36:56 PM Dale wrote: >> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> > But that's the thing: we (you and me) don't see the situation the same >> > way. To me, the proposed changes are for the better. >> >> You are one

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

Am 15.09.2011 22:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler > wrote: >> Am 15.09.2011 16:57, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >> >>> with an initramfs you will be able to do anything, so it will make no >>> sense to keep supporting initramfs-less systems. >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 01:36:56 PM Dale wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > But that's the thing: we (you and me) don't see the situation the same > > way. To me, the proposed changes are for the better. > > You are one of very few that feel this way. You are probably correct that

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:18:27 +0100 > Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:07:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> > While writing this the 24th trade completed (a winner) and the 25th >> > trade has started. It's a good day when yo

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:18:27 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:07:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > While writing this the 24th trade completed (a winner) and the 25th > > trade has started. It's a good day when you make money while writing > > email responses to gentoo-users.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Am 15.09.2011 16:57, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > >> with an initramfs you will be able to do anything, so it will make no >> sense to keep supporting initramfs-less systems. > > With "Microsoft Windows" you will be able to do anything,

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:47:34 -0400 Michael Mol wrote: > > The main purpose of udev is to populate the /dev-tree. > > The running of scripts based on /dev-tree events should be in a > > seperate tool that starts later in the boot-process. > > I'm not *entirely* convinced this is the case, becau

[gentoo-user] Re: Really OT now (Re: udev + /usr)

On 09/15/2011 01:35 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Alan, On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 21:34:01 Alan Mackenzie wrote: I've been contributing to Emacs in general and CC Mode in particular for 10 years. I've been the sole maintainer

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

Am 15.09.2011 16:57, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > with an initramfs you will be able to do anything, so it will make no > sense to keep supporting initramfs-less systems. With "Microsoft Windows" you will be able to do anything, so it will make no sense to keep supporting "Microsoft Windows"-le

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Guilherme > wrote: >> >> I do not know the state of Geanny since I last checked (couple of years >> ago), but the highlight capabilites of KDevelop got my eye. It highlights >> local variables in dif

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Guilherme wrote: I do not know the state of Geanny since I last checked (couple of years > ago), but the highlight capabilites of KDevelop got my eye. It highlights > local variables in different colors in the same context, so something like > > int foo(f

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

2011/9/15 Michael Mol > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM, David W Noon wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:35:37 -0400, Michael Mol wrote about Re: Really > > OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr): > > > >> It occurred to me that having a decent C and C++ editing environment > >> might ease some o

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:07:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > While writing this the 24th trade completed (a winner) and the 25th > trade has started. It's a good day when you make money while writing > email responses to gentoo-users... :-) I'll have to take your word for that :) -- Neil Bothwick

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:04:37 -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > 1.  The minimal initramfs will only need to be built once (and rarely > > rebuilt thereafter).  This removes one of my fears and it was a main > > objection for me > > - I would hate to have to rebuild initramfs every time I roll a

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:35:37 -0400, Michael Mol wrote about Re: Really > OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr): > >> It occurred to me that having a decent C and C++ editing environment >> might ease some of my of the spoilage I've experience

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:26:36 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> I think you have a specific view that is likely the very best thing to >> do for your situation, what ever that is, be it work, office, server >> farm. I don't know. I'm guessing ho

Re: [gentoo-user] OT (was: New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng)

On 2011-09-15 19:20, Peter Humphrey wrote: > Been pining for long? Yes, actually... pine-ing for simplicity! :-) Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 15 Sep 2011 16:13:26 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: >> On Thursday, 15. September 2011 16:48:45 Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> > I agree he is wrong about the solution as well. >> > >> > I have actually just posted my idea to the gentoo-dev list

IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:35:37 -0400, Michael Mol wrote about Re: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr): > It occurred to me that having a decent C and C++ editing environment > might ease some of my of the spoilage I've experienced in Visual > Studio for C++. I'll be checking it out. It'll

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:26:36 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > I think you have a specific view that is likely the very best thing to > do for your situation, what ever that is, be it work, office, server > farm. I don't know. I'm guessing however, that in your world machines > are always turned on, bur

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:40:32 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: > >> If fetch-only is done unattended, and there's a really slow mirror, >> the interactive emerge later will still be fast, where if using >> parallel-fetch and you hit a slow download

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:37:53 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > There are 3 solutions for this: > 1) The easy way out: the whole user-space must be available before udev > 2) udev actually includes correct error-handling for this and retries > 3) udev splits this into 2 seperate tools 4) udev remain

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:40:32 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: > If fetch-only is done unattended, and there's a really slow mirror, > the interactive emerge later will still be fast, where if using > parallel-fetch and you hit a slow download, you just have to wait, or > bring up the fetch log in anothe

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday 15 Sep 2011 16:13:26 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: > On Thursday, 15. September 2011 16:48:45 Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > I agree he is wrong about the solution as well. > > > > I have actually just posted my idea to the gentoo-dev list to see how the > > developers actually feel about

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:32:50 AM Michael Mol wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld >> wrote: >>> >> I'm not entirely convinced this is the

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On 2011-09-15 16:57, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Of course you can solve it differently, for example splitting udev as > Joost proposes. But then is more code to maintain, and the number of > possible setups is suddenly the double it was before. It. Is. Not. > KISS. https://secure.wikimedia.org/

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:07:30 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > > OK, sorry for offering my opinion. I'll just go away an not bother > > anyone. > > Relax; I think he was just offering some advice and additional > information. Exactly. The world would be a boring place if we all thought and did thing

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Wednesday 14 September 2011 21:49:56 pk wrote: > ... longing for Pine Been pining for long? :-) -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:07:45 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >>> > There's not point in doing the fetch first, portage has done parallel >>> > fetching for some time - it's faster to let

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > There's not point in doing the fetch first, portage has done parallel > fetching for some time - it's faster to let the distfiles download while > the first package is compiling. Speed is not always the biggest concern to me. For example, an

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:16:24 PM Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:03:09 AM Michael Mol wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Joost Roeleveld > > > > wrote: > >> The problem with this is that y

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:07:45 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> > There's not point in doing the fetch first, portage has done parallel >> > fetching for some time - it's faster to let the distfiles download >> > while the first package is compi

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:03:09 AM Michael Mol wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Joost Roeleveld > wrote: >> The problem with this is that you now need to manage synchronization >> between the kernel event processor and

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:03:09 AM Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:32:50 AM Michael Mol wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld > > > > wrote: > >> >> I'm not entirely convinced t

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:57:27 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Let me throw my own guess of how they came out with the corrent > proposed solution. I repeat: is my own guess: I am not the one calling > the shots, so maybe I'm completely wrong. Ok and I do actually think you are correc

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: > On Thursday, 15. September 2011 11:03:09 Michael Mol wrote: >> > Yes, except that udev ONLY handles kernel-events and doesn't process any >> > "actions" itself. >> > These are placed on a seperate queue for a seperate process. >> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, 15. September 2011 11:03:09 Michael Mol wrote: > > Yes, except that udev ONLY handles kernel-events and doesn't process any > > "actions" itself. > > These are placed on a seperate queue for a seperate process. > > The problem with this is that you now need to manage synchronization >

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, 15. September 2011 16:48:45 Joost Roeleveld wrote: > I agree he is wrong about the solution as well. > > I have actually just posted my idea to the gentoo-dev list to see how the > developers actually feel about possible splitting udev into 2 parts. I've read it there. Thanks for doi

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Of course you can solve it differently, for example splitting udev as > Joost proposes. But then is more code to maintain, and the number of > possible setups is suddenly the double it was before. It. Is. Not. > KISS. If you want KISS

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:32:50 AM Michael Mol wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld > wrote: >> >> I'm not entirely convinced this is the case, because it feels like >> >> some situations like network devic

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:32:50 AM Michael Mol wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld > wrote: >> >> I'm not entirely convinced this is the case, because it feels like >> >> some situations like network devic

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >>> I'm not entirely convinced this is the case, because it feels like >>> some situations like network devices (nbd, iSCSI) or loopback would >>> require userland tools to bring up onc

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:32:50 AM Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > >> I'm not entirely convinced this is the case, because it feels like > >> some situations like network devices (nbd, iSCSI) or loopback would > >> require userland tools to

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> I'm not entirely convinced this is the case, because it feels like >> some situations like network devices (nbd, iSCSI) or loopback would >> require userland tools to bring up once networking is up. > > Yes, but the kernel-events referenc

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 09:47:34 AM Michael Mol wrote: > > The main purpose of udev is to populate the /dev-tree. > > The running of scripts based on /dev-tree events should be in a seperate > > tool that starts later in the boot-process. > > I'm not entirely convinced this is the case, be

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On 14 September 2011, at 22:34, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > … >> That's got nothing to do with it, and it's rude of you to make this >> about Canek, IMO. > > Given how much Canek has been saying about free/open source recently, the > attitudes he's been attributing to its developers (which don't acco

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > There are not many people who agree with you here. > The changes will lead to a C:-drive, similar to MS Windows, where everything > has to be a single partition. Technically, this isn't true. %PROGRAMFILES need not be on %SYSTEMDRIVE%. %PR

[gentoo-user] Re: vmware-player problem

On 09/15/2011 05:21 AM, David Relson wrote: You don't have to use it. You just install it in order to get libvmware.so. You then use Player, not Workstation. It's fetch-restricted, so portage will tell you which file to download. To download, you need to register, but creating an account doesn

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

Joost Roeleveld writes: > Thunderbird works fine, if you're ok to do things Thunderbird wants to > do things. > The last time I tried it, it decided it wants to have copy of all the > email from my IMAP-server locally. I ran into this, too. I sort of like the feature, but it's better to do the sy

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:37:12 AM Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: > > > Yahoo reply broken? I don't know what to say about that... gmail > > > works > > > in > > > the same way, outlook in the same way, thunderbird in the same way. > > > > > > > > In other words, they're all broken. > > A

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Thursday 15 Sep 2011 09:14:34 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: > On Thursday, 15. September 2011 00:27:43 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > > On 2011-09-14 22:23, Michael Mol wrote: > > > > It seams that the discussion degenerated on how to send emails... Can > > anyone please help regarding my proble

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Thursday, 15. September 2011 11:25:56 Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:58:59 AM Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > > On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > > > > > > Dear Michael > > > > Thank you for your help! > > > > I didn't rebo

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:58:59 AM Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > On Thursday, 15. September

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:58:59 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > > First, make sure you have emerged the kernel's sources. > > Second, check that the newer sources have been selected: 'eselect kernel > > list' followed by

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Thursday 15 Sep 2011 08:04:25 Pandu Poluan wrote: > On Sep 15, 2011 1:53 PM, "Neil Bothwick" wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:07:45 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Anyway, it works well for this old dog, and in my mind there is a good > > > reason to fetch before building but I can see how oth

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:58:59 AM Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > > Dear Michael > > Thank you for your help! > > I didn't reboot my machine as the installation is not complete yet. How can > I reboot when the

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > First, make sure you have emerged the kernel's sources. > Second, check that the newer sources have been selected: 'eselect kernel > list' followed by 'eselect kernel set'. Build the kernel, either using > genkernel or make tr

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > First, make sure you have emerged the kernel's sources. > Second, check that the newer sources have been selected: 'eselect kernel > list' followed by 'eselect kernel set'. Build the kernel, either using > genkernel or make triu

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

First, make sure you have emerged the kernel's sources. Second, check that the newer sources have been selected: 'eselect kernel list' followed by 'eselect kernel set'. Build the kernel, either using genkernel or make triumvirate (make menuconfig && make && make modules_install) Install the new

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Thursday, 15. September 2011 00:27:43 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: > On 2011-09-14 22:23, Michael Mol wrote: > > like get hidden by '-Show quoted text-'. Hit reply, hit ctrl-End to > > get to the bottom, reply...and not realize that you jumped past five > > kilobytes' worth of stale, quoted conve

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: It seams that the discussion degenerated on how to send emails... Can anyone please help regarding my problem? It seems that indeed I have an old kernel version, but how is that possible taking into consideration that I have used genkernel? How can I upgrade it? I

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On Sep 15, 2011 2:32 PM, "Trifu Catalin Florin" wrote: > > It seams that the discussion degenerated on how to send emails... Can anyone please help regarding my problem? > It seems that indeed I have an old kernel version, but how is that possible taking into consideration that I have used genkern

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: apache-2.2.20 - upstream config files reappear in /etc

> Indeed, these files seem completely useless on a Gentoo system. I have > filed a bug: > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382997 I was gonna wait to see what other are saying about this. Then totally forgot about this thread. But I'll keep an eye on this bug, thanks for filing.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 06:40:44 PM Sebastian Beßler wrote: > This thread goes in endless circles, round and round and round. > In the last 20 posts or so is not one new argument pro or con can be > found, both sides only repeating their pov over and over again. > > Nothing will be achiev

Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng

On 2011-09-14 22:23, Michael Mol wrote: > like get hidden by '-Show quoted text-'. Hit reply, hit ctrl-End to > get to the bottom, reply...and not realize that you jumped past five > kilobytes' worth of stale, quoted conversation. > Ouch! That (almost) physically hurt! ;-) > Best regards > Pet

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:37:14 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:06 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> No, by "you know what needs to be done" I mean: code. Contribute. > >> Become a developer. Make sh

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

On Sep 15, 2011 1:53 PM, "Neil Bothwick" wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:07:45 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Anyway, it works well for this old dog, and in my mind there is a good > > reason to fetch before building but I can see how others might not > > want to do that. > > I use it too, but

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:30:03 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 06:33:01 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > If g