Re: [gentoo-user] stage3/handbook mismatch
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 18:05:03 -0700 Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, stage3-amd64-20120621.tar.bz2 creates a file /etc/make.conf handbook says to edit to /etc/portage/make.conf Chris Either one will work. The software looks in both locations. You will not notice a difference. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: aligning SSD partitions
The 07/09/12, Dale wrote: The thing is tho, whether it is using the memory as cache or using it as tmpfs, it is the same memory. There is no difference. That's the whole point. Feel free to take your own assumptions as undeniable truth. The way the kernel work with memory is the key, of course. Now, as long as you blind yourself with statements like that, I'm not going to respond anymore. I guess you need to make some basic research. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: aligning SSD partitions
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 07/09/12, Dale wrote: The thing is tho, whether it is using the memory as cache or using it as tmpfs, it is the same memory. There is no difference. That's the whole point. Feel free to take your own assumptions as undeniable truth. The way the kernel work with memory is the key, of course. Now, as long as you blind yourself with statements like that, I'm not going to respond anymore. I guess you need to make some basic research. I understand how the kernel uses memory. That's why it doesn't matter if you put portage's work directory on tmpfs or not. I been using Linux for a pretty good long while now. I have a pretty good understanding of it, especially the things that I use. Respond or not, I know what I tested and what the results were. They were not just my tests and results either. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] make.{conf,profile} move to /etc/portage
Just saw the eselect news item saying make.conf and make.profile are moving to /etc/portage next week. Unfortunately, there's no link to a page w/ more info in the news item. Does anyone know what version of portage knows to look for them in this location? I don't want to move mine prematurely :) And yes, I read that we don't need to do anything. I *want* them in /etc/portage. I've always felt they belonged there. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug.hun...@gmail.com) Twitter: @hunleyd Web: douglasjhunley.com G+: http://goo.gl/sajR3
Re: [gentoo-user] make.{conf,profile} move to /etc/portage
Zac wrote on gentoo-dev: Current portage supports it? Or is their a new version coming which I would need? It's been supported in stable portage since portage-2.1.9.24 stabilized in November/December 2010: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346819 http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/portage.git;a=commit;h=d493a029add855e6ade95d60b57ec7b8f5aba067 http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/portage.git;a=commit;h=f15c724e6ea494c21e57289b0361614b6656ac35 -- aranea
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: aligning SSD partitions
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 07/09/12, Dale wrote: The thing is tho, whether it is using the memory as cache or using it as tmpfs, it is the same memory. There is no difference. That's the whole point. Feel free to take your own assumptions as undeniable truth. The way the kernel work with memory is the key, of course. Now, as long as you blind yourself with statements like that, I'm not going to respond anymore. I guess you need to make some basic research. I understand how the kernel uses memory. That's why it doesn't matter if you put portage's work directory on tmpfs or not. I been using Linux for a pretty good long while now. I have a pretty good understanding of it, especially the things that I use. Respond or not, I know what I tested and what the results were. They were not just my tests and results either. Nobody is disagreeing with your test results. In fact, they're not even disagreeing with you that they mean what you think they mean within the context you're testing. They're disagreeing with your extrapolation of your results to other contexts. In short, all other things being equal, your test results work out for someone in the exact same circumstances as yourself...but there are a _lot_ of other things that need to be equal! Filesystem mount options can have an impact. For example, let's say your filesystem is configured to make writes synchronous, for general data integrity purposes. That would slow PORTAGE_TMP down something _fierce_. Someone might be tweaking any number of the knobs under 'vm' in /proc. vm.swappiness, vm.dirty_* or vm.min_free_kbytes are ones that caught my eye, but really most of them in there look relevant. Or consider that someone else might be running drop_caches, or even sync() while your code is running. (Heck, if there's a database, even an sqlite database, on the same filesystem, that's almost a guarantee.) These may seem to be obvious, but these are the kinds of things people were trying to get you to be willing to acknowledge before you made blanket assertions which covered them. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] make.{conf,profile} move to /etc/portage
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:59:41 -0400, Doug Hunley wrote: Just saw the eselect news item saying make.conf and make.profile are moving to /etc/portage next week. Unfortunately, there's no link to a page w/ more info in the news item. Does anyone know what version of portage knows to look for them in this location? I don't want to move mine prematurely :) The current testing version, 2.2.0_alpha125, works with make.conf moved to the new location. At least, emerge --info still shows the same settings. And yes, I read that we don't need to do anything. I *want* them in /etc/portage. I've always felt they belonged there. Agreed. -- Neil Bothwick To most people solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists solutions are things that are still all mixed up. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] make.{conf,profile} move to /etc/portage
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:59:41 -0400, Doug Hunley wrote: Just saw the eselect news item saying make.conf and make.profile are moving to /etc/portage next week. Unfortunately, there's no link to a page w/ more info in the news item. Does anyone know what version of portage knows to look for them in this location? I don't want to move mine prematurely :) The current testing version, 2.2.0_alpha125, works with make.conf moved to the new location. At least, emerge --info still shows the same settings. I was hoping that this change meant that after 125 alpha versions maybe portage-2.2 was finally going stable but I guess not if this functionality was changed in 2.1. ;-( - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: aligning SSD partitions
Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 07/09/12, Dale wrote: The thing is tho, whether it is using the memory as cache or using it as tmpfs, it is the same memory. There is no difference. That's the whole point. Feel free to take your own assumptions as undeniable truth. The way the kernel work with memory is the key, of course. Now, as long as you blind yourself with statements like that, I'm not going to respond anymore. I guess you need to make some basic research. I understand how the kernel uses memory. That's why it doesn't matter if you put portage's work directory on tmpfs or not. I been using Linux for a pretty good long while now. I have a pretty good understanding of it, especially the things that I use. Respond or not, I know what I tested and what the results were. They were not just my tests and results either. Nobody is disagreeing with your test results. In fact, they're not even disagreeing with you that they mean what you think they mean within the context you're testing. They're disagreeing with your extrapolation of your results to other contexts. In short, all other things being equal, your test results work out for someone in the exact same circumstances as yourself...but there are a _lot_ of other things that need to be equal! Filesystem mount options can have an impact. For example, let's say your filesystem is configured to make writes synchronous, for general data integrity purposes. That would slow PORTAGE_TMP down something _fierce_. Someone might be tweaking any number of the knobs under 'vm' in /proc. vm.swappiness, vm.dirty_* or vm.min_free_kbytes are ones that caught my eye, but really most of them in there look relevant. Or consider that someone else might be running drop_caches, or even sync() while your code is running. (Heck, if there's a database, even an sqlite database, on the same filesystem, that's almost a guarantee.) These may seem to be obvious, but these are the kinds of things people were trying to get you to be willing to acknowledge before you made blanket assertions which covered them. -- :wq Someone could be getting rays from Mars but I am not testing that. What I tested was this, Run emerge with portages work directory on disk. Then run same command with portage's work directory on tmpfs. Then compare the results. No other changes except for where portage's work directory is located, hard drive or ram. This was done on a NORMAL system that most ANY user would be using. I'm not concerned with some rare or exotic setup, just a normal setup. If someone is running some exotic setup, then they need to test that to see whether it helps or not because I did not test for that sort of system. I didn't test for rays from Mars either. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: aligning SSD partitions
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 07/09/12, Dale wrote: The thing is tho, whether it is using the memory as cache or using it as tmpfs, it is the same memory. There is no difference. That's the whole point. Feel free to take your own assumptions as undeniable truth. The way the kernel work with memory is the key, of course. Now, as long as you blind yourself with statements like that, I'm not going to respond anymore. I guess you need to make some basic research. I understand how the kernel uses memory. That's why it doesn't matter if you put portage's work directory on tmpfs or not. I been using Linux for a pretty good long while now. I have a pretty good understanding of it, especially the things that I use. Respond or not, I know what I tested and what the results were. They were not just my tests and results either. Nobody is disagreeing with your test results. In fact, they're not even disagreeing with you that they mean what you think they mean within the context you're testing. They're disagreeing with your extrapolation of your results to other contexts. In short, all other things being equal, your test results work out for someone in the exact same circumstances as yourself...but there are a _lot_ of other things that need to be equal! Filesystem mount options can have an impact. For example, let's say your filesystem is configured to make writes synchronous, for general data integrity purposes. That would slow PORTAGE_TMP down something _fierce_. Someone might be tweaking any number of the knobs under 'vm' in /proc. vm.swappiness, vm.dirty_* or vm.min_free_kbytes are ones that caught my eye, but really most of them in there look relevant. Or consider that someone else might be running drop_caches, or even sync() while your code is running. (Heck, if there's a database, even an sqlite database, on the same filesystem, that's almost a guarantee.) These may seem to be obvious, but these are the kinds of things people were trying to get you to be willing to acknowledge before you made blanket assertions which covered them. -- :wq Someone could be getting rays from Mars but I am not testing that. What I tested was this, Run emerge with portages work directory on disk. Then run same command with portage's work directory on tmpfs. Then compare the results. No other changes except for where portage's work directory is located, hard drive or ram. This was done on a NORMAL system that most ANY user would be using. I'm not concerned with some rare or exotic setup, just a normal setup. If someone is running some exotic setup, then they need to test that to see whether it helps or not because I did not test for that sort of system. I didn't test for rays from Mars either. LOL Running databases on the same filesystem as PORTAGE_TMP is not a rare or exotic setup. Anyone who doesn't use a separate /home or separate portage temp is in a circumstance like that. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] make.{conf,profile} move to /etc/portage
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:43:12 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:59:41 -0400, Doug Hunley wrote: Just saw the eselect news item saying make.conf and make.profile are moving to /etc/portage next week. Unfortunately, there's no link to a page w/ more info in the news item. Does anyone know what version of portage knows to look for them in this location? I don't want to move mine prematurely :) The current testing version, 2.2.0_alpha125, works with make.conf moved to the new location. At least, emerge --info still shows the same settings. I was hoping that this change meant that after 125 alpha versions maybe portage-2.2 was finally going stable but I guess not if this functionality was changed in 2.1. fat chance :-) portage-2.2 has had 100+ rc versions and 125 alpha versions. What's the odds of it ever getting released? e17 and Duke Nukem Forever; meet the software that toppled you from your throne -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: aligning SSD partitions
Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 07/09/12, Dale wrote: The thing is tho, whether it is using the memory as cache or using it as tmpfs, it is the same memory. There is no difference. That's the whole point. Feel free to take your own assumptions as undeniable truth. The way the kernel work with memory is the key, of course. Now, as long as you blind yourself with statements like that, I'm not going to respond anymore. I guess you need to make some basic research. I understand how the kernel uses memory. That's why it doesn't matter if you put portage's work directory on tmpfs or not. I been using Linux for a pretty good long while now. I have a pretty good understanding of it, especially the things that I use. Respond or not, I know what I tested and what the results were. They were not just my tests and results either. Nobody is disagreeing with your test results. In fact, they're not even disagreeing with you that they mean what you think they mean within the context you're testing. They're disagreeing with your extrapolation of your results to other contexts. In short, all other things being equal, your test results work out for someone in the exact same circumstances as yourself...but there are a _lot_ of other things that need to be equal! Filesystem mount options can have an impact. For example, let's say your filesystem is configured to make writes synchronous, for general data integrity purposes. That would slow PORTAGE_TMP down something _fierce_. Someone might be tweaking any number of the knobs under 'vm' in /proc. vm.swappiness, vm.dirty_* or vm.min_free_kbytes are ones that caught my eye, but really most of them in there look relevant. Or consider that someone else might be running drop_caches, or even sync() while your code is running. (Heck, if there's a database, even an sqlite database, on the same filesystem, that's almost a guarantee.) These may seem to be obvious, but these are the kinds of things people were trying to get you to be willing to acknowledge before you made blanket assertions which covered them. -- :wq Someone could be getting rays from Mars but I am not testing that. What I tested was this, Run emerge with portages work directory on disk. Then run same command with portage's work directory on tmpfs. Then compare the results. No other changes except for where portage's work directory is located, hard drive or ram. This was done on a NORMAL system that most ANY user would be using. I'm not concerned with some rare or exotic setup, just a normal setup. If someone is running some exotic setup, then they need to test that to see whether it helps or not because I did not test for that sort of system. I didn't test for rays from Mars either. LOL Running databases on the same filesystem as PORTAGE_TMP is not a rare or exotic setup. Anyone who doesn't use a separate /home or separate portage temp is in a circumstance like that. -- :wq Well, I have /home on its own partition, like most likely everyone does. At the time, I was not using LVM either. At the time, I had a pretty much default install except that the portage tree was on its own partition since I wanted to keep it from fragmenting all of /usr with all those constantly changing little files. I also use defaults when mounting file systems too. Nothing exotic or weird or anything. So again, just testing on as normal a system as there could be to get some real world results. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Pacific vs Pacific-New
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Following the handbook, I am now setting my timezone. I am in Los Angeles. Should I select: a) /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific b) /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific-New c) [your answer here] man Pacific didn't help. This report from 1992 tells the story of pacific-new: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/13.87.html#subj1 US/Pacific-New' stands for 'Pacific Presidential Election Time', which was passed by the House in April 1989 but never signed into law. In presidential election years, this rule would have delayed the PDT-to-PST switchover until after the election, to lessen the effect of broadcast news election projections on last-minute west-coast voters. So it seems you would use Pacific instead of Pacific-new, however I believe both of those are deprecated and it is preferred to use America/Los Angeles instead.
Re: [gentoo-user] make.{conf,profile} move to /etc/portage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10.09.2012 13:59, Doug Hunley wrote: Just saw the eselect news item saying make.conf and make.profile are moving to /etc/portage next week. Unfortunately, there's no link to a page w/ more info in the news item. Does anyone know what version of portage knows to look for them in this location? I don't want to move mine prematurely :) And yes, I read that we don't need to do anything. I *want* them in /etc/portage. I've always felt they belonged there. Why not copy them over and create a symlink for legacy-reasons? I'd guess that every stable version of portage will support it, because that change (to the stage 3) wouldn't make sense otherwise. WKR Hinnerk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQTgHAAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcnXsH/0tW9SlYHhHbvfYKOKu6Ntyh Ryd7IR0DGjeOPxJRGjfzsVrEyWs7xaC0la1EyagTbfjXEBrd6wVpPNTBGEukTZei qwB/ljOIM6yk/Fl7LQ1i50u5ORduiWc3M0/51JZWZfSG0iG6BSi/Zbe0ycawPjIc G7LAc5rnrwLHzEvA+QiT02LZj4Kog2ZxlTDWy9S2lqCT6jD2kImdWAheY8pX+0sK y7PDihmFWddTpivoesTepgCLvcV7WsobdmngpWLgJ5rClaUfdJA3xGJO+JuwGjLW y5i533uS8J6rivI62OusByaAkXtB+g0NU5+UyGtJ6e6ZW9ZgewAcbg7WmEtpGrE= =cNmq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Heads-up; bash now uses readline USE flag
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 12:00:15PM +0200, Penguin Lover Alan McKinnon squawked: Or, when previewing what emerge world wants to do, note that a new flag is enabled, remove it yourself and let emerge world proceed when you are happy with it. s/remove/add and your advice works equally well for us -*'ers :-) W
[gentoo-user] Reinstall + switch to KDE
Hello, because I broke me PC and I need to reinstall it I'm going ask what should I preserve to make install faster: 1. I presume that /home can be left intact. 2. I plan to backup /etc and after reinstall I'm going to diff /etc.old with /etc to see what changed and to keep my previous changes in config.(not to forget to change make.conf according to switch to KDE) 3. Also I'm going to keep kernel .config and /boot intact. 4. World file will be also backed-up and during reinstall I'm going to strip it of unnecessary Gnome packages to switch to KDE. Did I missed something? Should I take care of something else? Thank you for your advices in advance S -- Samuraiii e-mail: samurai.no.d...@gmail.com mailto:samurai.no.d...@gmail.com GnuPG key ID: 0x80C752EA http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x80C752EAop=vindexfingerprint=onexact=on (obtainable on http://pgp.mit.edu) Full copy of public timestamp block http://publictimestamp.org signatures id-15745 (from 2012-09-10 12:00:06) is included in header of html. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] emergefied message bubble... ;)
Hi, I dont understand this output of emerge: The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied: dvdnav? ( dvd ) The above constraints are a subset of the following complete expression: bindist? ( !win32codecs ) cdio? ( !cdparanoia ) cddb? ( any-of ( cdio cdparanoia ) network ) dvdnav? ( dvd ) libass? ( truetype ) truetype? ( iconv ) radio? ( any-of ( dvb v4l ) ) dxr3? ( X ) ggi? ( X ) opengl? ( X ) vdpau? ( X ) xinerama? ( X ) xscreensaver? ( X ) xv? ( X ) I would be very happy if someone of the inner circle of the brethren of the Gentoo could translate this for me... Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] emergefied message bubble... ;)
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied: dvdnav? ( dvd ) It means the following: If USE flag dvdnav is enabled, then dvd must be, too. Essentially, it enforces a dependency of certain USE flags for sanity reasons.
[gentoo-user] Re: Reinstall + switch to KDE
On 10/09/12 19:12, Samuraiii wrote: Hello, because I broke me PC and I need to reinstall it I'm going ask what should I preserve to make install faster: 1. I presume that /home can be left intact. 2. I plan to backup /etc and after reinstall I'm going to diff /etc.old with /etc to see what changed and to keep my previous changes in config.(not to forget to change make.conf according to switch to KDE) 3. Also I'm going to keep kernel .config and /boot intact. 4. World file will be also backed-up and during reinstall I'm going to strip it of unnecessary Gnome packages to switch to KDE. Did I missed something? Should I take care of something else? From your problem description, you don't seem to need to install from scratch. You say your /home isn't broken, your /etc isn't broken, your /boot isn't broken, your world file isn't broken. So what *is* broken? The hardware? If you have a new PC, you simply need to transfer your Gentoo install to a new hard disk using rsync.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Reinstall + switch to KDE
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/09/12 19:12, Samuraiii wrote: Hello, because I broke me PC and I need to reinstall it I'm going ask what should I preserve to make install faster: So what *is* broken? The hardware? If you have a new PC, you simply need to transfer your Gentoo install to a new hard disk using rsync. He borked his /usr/include due to an improperly-written uninstall rule in a Makefile.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Reinstall + switch to KDE
Am Montag, 10. September 2012, 12:53:41 schrieb Andrey Moshbear: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/09/12 19:12, Samuraiii wrote: Hello, because I broke me PC and I need to reinstall it I'm going ask what should I preserve to make install faster: So what *is* broken? The hardware? If you have a new PC, you simply need to transfer your Gentoo install to a new hard disk using rsync. He borked his /usr/include due to an improperly-written uninstall rule in a Makefile. if he learnt from that episode he now creates packages so he can easily repair any damage to his system. buildpkg FTW! -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Pacific vs Pacific-New
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I use America/Los-Angeles myself. Mark, Paul: Thank you, I went with America/Los_Angeles Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] stage3/handbook mismatch
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: That's a very new change just announced globally today and only for new installs. Take a look at eselect news for more info. What a coincidence! I went with the older stage3 approach. Thank you, Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: LANG=en_US.UTF8 LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8 Dale, Thank you, I used the same. P. S. Welcome to Gentoo and the world of constantly learning. Just when you learn something, something changes and you get to learn it all over again. :/ :) Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] make.{conf,profile} move to /etc/portage
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Why not copy them over and create a symlink for legacy-reasons? I'd guess that every stable version of portage will support it, because that change (to the stage 3) wouldn't make sense otherwise. I did that a long time ago, actually :) I was hoping to remove the symlinks now and it looks like I can based on the -dev post by Zac -- Douglas J Hunley (doug.hun...@gmail.com) Twitter: @hunleyd Web: douglasjhunley.com G+: http://goo.gl/sajR3
Re: [gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: A 'locale' is a collection of character set, language, date/time format, currency format, etc Josh, Thank you. I now understand what a locale is. It is surprising to me that the string en_US.UTF8 tells the OS about currency, date/time, etc. I always thought UTF8 was just a character encoding (not really sure what that is either but I would not have guessed that UTF8 describes where the commas go in a currency). Thanks again, Chris
[gentoo-user] Re: Reinstall + switch to KDE
On 10/09/12 19:53, Andrey Moshbear wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/09/12 19:12, Samuraiii wrote: Hello, because I broke me PC and I need to reinstall it I'm going ask what should I preserve to make install faster: So what *is* broken? The hardware? If you have a new PC, you simply need to transfer your Gentoo install to a new hard disk using rsync. He borked his /usr/include due to an improperly-written uninstall rule in a Makefile. Oh. That's pretty easy to fix though. Install a new Gentoo in a chroot, and then rsync its /usr/include into the real one.
Re: [gentoo-user] Heads-up; bash now uses readline USE flag
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 08:41:36AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:42:45 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: Isn't readline enabled by default on all reasonable profiles? Do you have USE=-* in make.conf? If so, it's just bitten you. Yup. I did that to avoid further surprises after the developers in their infinite wisdom had IPV6 enabled by default on all reasonable profiles. Watching Firefox and mplayer spinning their wheels for 45 seconds at a time till IPV6 lookups timed out was not fun. I'd rather have that that an unusable shell. As was noted elsewhere this weekend, even if a USE flag is set but renamed, -* screws it up. So no matter what I do or don't do, a developer can find a way to screw me up. Next thing you know, I'll have to re-partition my system or else replace udev with mdev, to boot up... oops. I do get the occasional message about... foo requires bar to be built with USE flag oogabooga when running emerge. I can handle that. Sometimes I even uncover an obscure ebuild bug, e.g. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=401651 -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Reinstall + switch to KDE
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:53:41 -0400 Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/09/12 19:12, Samuraiii wrote: Hello, because I broke me PC and I need to reinstall it I'm going ask what should I preserve to make install faster: So what *is* broken? The hardware? If you have a new PC, you simply need to transfer your Gentoo install to a new hard disk using rsync. He borked his /usr/include due to an improperly-written uninstall rule in a Makefile. if emerge -e world runs, it will fix that little oopsie -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] make.{conf,profile} move to /etc/portage
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:20:04 -0400 Doug Hunley doug.hun...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Why not copy them over and create a symlink for legacy-reasons? I'd guess that every stable version of portage will support it, because that change (to the stage 3) wouldn't make sense otherwise. I did that a long time ago, actually :) I was hoping to remove the symlinks now and it looks like I can based on the -dev post by Zac My test VMs all run stable and all have make.conf in /etc/portage. They all range from 12 - 18 months old -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] GCC : another trap for the unwary
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 10:47:47AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote Incidentally, I've found out why the system creates many TTYs : they're the equivalent of GUI workspaces = desktops, allowing someone working without X to view different files etc. I'm continually struck by the genius of those who created UNIX in 1969 ... From my slightly modified /etc/inittab # TERMINALS c1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux c2:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux c3:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux c4:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux c5:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux c6:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux c7:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty7 linux c8:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty8 linux c9:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty9 linux This gives me 8 working ttys. I run startx from tty9, so various logging gets spewed to tty9. It's usable in a pinch, but not for normal use. I run X in tty10, and sometimes as a second user in tty11, even with a different resolution and bit depth. tty12 gets kernel logging stuff spewed to it -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Reinstall + switch to KDE
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:53:41 -0400 Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/09/12 19:12, Samuraiii wrote: Hello, because I broke me PC and I need to reinstall it I'm going ask what should I preserve to make install faster: So what *is* broken? The hardware? If you have a new PC, you simply need to transfer your Gentoo install to a new hard disk using rsync. He borked his /usr/include due to an improperly-written uninstall rule in a Makefile. if emerge -e world runs, it will fix that little oopsie No, it won't; if enough files from /usr/include are gone/borked, most packages will fail compilation. glibc alone has ~450 files under /usr/include; and basically everything depends on glibc. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] Weird hibernate problem
After corrupting my gentoo root filesystem system during hibernate experiments, I have finally finished the reinstallation. But hibernate still doesn't seem to work correctly. The symptoms are the same as during the experiments leading to the root fs corruption, but this time the root seems to remain intact. Here is what happened during the first experiment. I had an 8G swap partition as /dev/sda5 and a data partition as /dev/sda6. Thinking that pm-hibernate requires a dedicated, separate partition, I backed up /dev/sda6, turned off swap at /dev/sda5, deleted /dev/sda[56] and then created /dev/sda5 (8G), /dev/sda6 (8G) and /dev/sda7 (remaining size) Then I specified /dev/sda6 as the resume partition on the kernel command line. But when I did the pm-hibernate, the system powered off, and after reboot, the system seemed to have restored itself to the state it was at when I ran pm-hibernate. So it seemed to have worked, but the system was strangely unstable. There were many filesystem errors in the root partition and when I did a ps ax, I saw hundreds of kworker kernel threads lingering around. It was as if the hibernate image was slightly corrupted, but not enough to cause a complete lockup, but enough to cause there strange symptoms. I first thought this was related to using the swap partition as the resume destination. But after reinstalling gentoo, I again used a separate partition for hibernate, but I am still seeing the same symtoms. Many kworker kernel threads are sleeping. But this time, the root filesystem didn't have any error. Concerned that a filesystem corruption is imminent, I immediately turned off power. So, what could be causing these strange problems? Based on what I have read so far, the resume partition needs to be an active swap partition. This seems rather strange, because linux is using the swap partition for memory management as well. So shouldn't these be well separated to prevent corrupting each other? Hope someone can help me make sense of all of this... -- Timur
Re: [gentoo-user] Weird hibernate problem
I have just tried again using pm-suspend and the same thing happens. Everything looks like it has worked, but when I do a ps ax, there are many (currently around 50) sleeping kernel threads. There are also a few extraneous migration, ksoftirq threads intermixed. -- Timur
Re: [gentoo-user] Weird hibernate problem
One unusual property of this system is that it has 5 additional SATA disks to be used for RAID experiments, in addition to the disk holding gentoo. So there are a total of 6 disks. But during these experiments, these 5 additional disks are not mounted. The motherboard is an Asus P8V68Z-VPRO/GEN3 with 8G RAM and a i7-2600K CPU, running 32bit gentoo. There are no peripherals attached to any of the motherboard expansion slots. -- Timur
[gentoo-user] WM that does not require policykit, consolekit, and gudev
Hello, I installed twm to test my xorg as per the gentoo install docs. Works great! Then I decided to install what I thought would be a lightweight WM: xfce4 with emerge -vat xfce4-meta. Unfortunately emerge didn't want to continue without some changes from me involving USE flags gudev, policykit, and consolekit. At this point I see three options: 1. Understand gudev, policykit, and consolekit and not be frightened of them (a tall order given the google results I am getting). Then enable the USE flags and install xfce4-meta 2. Do not attempt to understand the USE flags and enable them anyway (frightening given all the polictykit and consolekit chatter I see on google) 3. Select another WM that is more lightweight and doesn't require these USE flags. I'm leaning towards (3). Can you recommend a WM that will not require me to enable gudev, policykit, and consolekit? Thank you, Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] WM that does not require policykit, consolekit, and gudev
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] 1. Understand gudev, policykit, and consolekit and not be frightened of them (a tall order given the google results I am getting). Then enable the USE flags and install xfce4-meta FWIW, the idea behind gudev, polkit and (soon to be deprecated) consolekit, is that you don't need to understand them; they should just work. In my experience, that is the case. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
Gentoo is the best distribution I have used (I haven't used too many: ubuntu, fedora, gentoo). I love the USE flags. I love watching (and questioning) what is going to be installed. I love emerge. Supposedly gentoo lacks being able to have a system just work without thinking about anything. But in my experience on linux, this simply isn't the case anywhere. With ubuntu, for example, I had trouble with sound and ethernet cards that I could never figure out... and the kind of answers I get on their forums drive me insane (my uncle once said that his cousin typed this magical command and it worked fine for a little while so maybe try that). And what's the deal with these major release versions of the other distros? Why do that? Thank you to all the people who contribute to it... and to those who are giving great advice/solutions on this list! Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] WM that does not require policykit, consolekit, and gudev
On 09/10/2012 05:19 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: 3. Select another WM that is more lightweight and doesn't require these USE flags. I'm leaning towards (3). Can you recommend a WM that will not require me to enable gudev, policykit, and consolekit? When I want a real barebones desktop (say for a VM test) without all the cruft of GNOMNE or KDE, I generally use LXDE emerge ldxe-meta lxdm (two packages, the meta package does not include the desktop manager) then config /etc/conf.d/xdm to start lxdm Gets most of the useful stuff without committing to all of GNOME or KDE LXDE will run most of the gtk based tools found in the app and x11-* categories Happy installing! -- G.Wolfe Woodbury
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
Chris Stankevitz wrote: Gentoo is the best distribution I have used (I haven't used too many: ubuntu, fedora, gentoo). I love the USE flags. I love watching (and questioning) what is going to be installed. I love emerge. Supposedly gentoo lacks being able to have a system just work without thinking about anything. But in my experience on linux, this simply isn't the case anywhere. With ubuntu, for example, I had trouble with sound and ethernet cards that I could never figure out... and the kind of answers I get on their forums drive me insane (my uncle once said that his cousin typed this magical command and it worked fine for a little while so maybe try that). And what's the deal with these major release versions of the other distros? Why do that? Thank you to all the people who contribute to it... and to those who are giving great advice/solutions on this list! Chris You should turn off the quiet build feature and watch all the stuff scroll by. Maybe just do that when you got some spare time. Brownie points if you can read and understand it all too. lol My brother has recently converted to Linux, with a LOT of my help. I put Kubuntu on his rig. When I need help, I google then I ask here. So far, the folks here seem to know more about *ubuntu than the people that actually have been using it for a while. Sort of funny in a way. Than again, so sad. :/ Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Heads-up; bash now uses readline USE flag
Am Montag, 10. September 2012, 15:19:38 schrieb Walter Dnes: On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 08:41:36AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:42:45 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: Isn't readline enabled by default on all reasonable profiles? Do you have USE=-* in make.conf? If so, it's just bitten you. Yup. I did that to avoid further surprises after the developers in their infinite wisdom had IPV6 enabled by default on all reasonable profiles. Watching Firefox and mplayer spinning their wheels for 45 seconds at a time till IPV6 lookups timed out was not fun. I'd rather have that that an unusable shell. As was noted elsewhere this weekend, even if a USE flag is set but renamed, -* screws it up. So no matter what I do or don't do, a developer can find a way to screw me up. Next thing you know, I'll have to re-partition my system or else replace udev with mdev, to boot up... oops. wtf are you talking about? Just because you are unable to look at changed useflags when glancing over the output of emerge -a is not an excuse for using something idiotic like -*. Doing so and then complaining is just vile. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] stage3/handbook mismatch
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: That's a very new change just announced globally today and only for new installs. Take a look at eselect news for more info. What a coincidence! I went with the older stage3 approach. Thank you, Chris I just switched 3 machines over to the new way. It works fine. eselect profile set will create the new link in /etc/portage. I figure the biggest issue for me is that I won't be able to mindlessly type vi /etc/make.conf anymore. ;-) Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:46:14 -0700 Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: Gentoo is the best distribution I have used (I haven't used too many: ubuntu, fedora, gentoo). I love the USE flags. I love watching (and questioning) what is going to be installed. I love emerge. Supposedly gentoo lacks being able to have a system just work without thinking about anything. But in my experience on linux, this simply isn't the case anywhere. With ubuntu, for example, I had trouble with sound and ethernet cards that I could never figure out... and the kind of answers I get on their forums drive me insane (my uncle once said that his cousin typed this magical command and it worked fine for a little while so maybe try that). And what's the deal with these major release versions of the other distros? Why do that? They are binary distros so they have no choice. For the duration of that version's life, all the packages shipped must all work together and that is only possible if the ABI does not change. The major version number is a way of recording what the hell you got: look up the distro version somewhere and see what it says. For the release to use new packages with their new magic features, every other package using those packages must also be recompiled and re-released to. You know about the current level of cluelessness on the forums, imagine what would happen if there were 6 versions of every package for every release. I don't mean foo-1.2.3-ubuntu-1 vs foo-1.2.3-ubuntu-2 (which will always be forward and backwards compatible), I mean foo-1.2.3 vs foo-2.3.4 and a few bar packages that don't use foo anymore but do use baz. It would be a nightmare. The only sane way to deal with this is to peg the packages at version levels and stick with it. Windows does this, Mac OS does it, Solaris does it. And they do it because that's the only thing that could work. Gentoo has no need of major version numbers. It is source-based, so it can do rolling releases. For any new package foo that changes it's ABI, portage will find all packages bar that now need to be updated, and then update them. This could never possibly work for Ubuntu. Nothing else could possibly work for Gentoo. Often when trying to understand why Gentoo works a certain way, it helps to remember who exactly is the distro maintainer. Ubuntu has maintainers that build packages for their Ubuntu versions and put the binaries in a repo somewhere. Gentoo also has such people: You Thank you to all the people who contribute to it... and to those who are giving great advice/solutions on this list! Chris -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] WM that does not require policykit, consolekit, and gudev
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:31:28 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] 1. Understand gudev, policykit, and consolekit and not be frightened of them (a tall order given the google results I am getting). Then enable the USE flags and install xfce4-meta FWIW, the idea behind gudev, polkit and (soon to be deprecated) consolekit, is that you don't need to understand them; they should just work. In my experience, that is the case. It's my experience that most of the features (or something equivalent) offered by gudev, policykit and consolekit have to be present anyway for things to work at all. Where are these features? They are implemented in many various packages in many different ways (often poorly). It's a good idea to rip all of that out of the many places it's hiding and put one implementation in one place where it can be understood. Yes, these packages can be chatty. the lack of chattyness in other packages doesn't mean they don't attempt the same function, it just means they don't announce they do. dbus is similar. Whichever way code is written, some kind of IPC is going to be needed. It might as well be on a bus and it might as well be dbus. Now, if only way can get around to doing the same for regular expressions. last time I looked I had at least 5 implementations of regex, all different... -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
On 09/10/2012 05:46 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: Gentoo is the best distribution I have used (I haven't used too many: ubuntu, fedora, gentoo). I love the USE flags. I love watching (and questioning) what is going to be installed. I love emerge. Supposedly gentoo lacks being able to have a system just work without thinking about anything. But in my experience on linux, this simply isn't the case anywhere. With ubuntu, for example, I had trouble with sound and ethernet cards that I could never figure out... and the kind of answers I get on their forums drive me insane (my uncle once said that his cousin typed this magical command and it worked fine for a little while so maybe try that). And what's the deal with these major release versions of the other distros? Why do that? Most of the binary based distributions have tied their stars to the major desktop environments. [For example Fedora is heavily tied to RedHat and the GNOME desktop, and many RedHat employees are major GNOME developers.] Fedora/GNOME is very nice for modern hardware and mostly just works because a lot of effort goes into testing each major release. But the GNOME philosophy has become one of hiding the inner workings of GNU/Linux in much the same manner that Microsoft hides all the innards of Windows. But Fedora is also the most 'bleeding edge distribution, getting the latest and greatest every six monthe or so. Debian and Ubuntu are also dedicated to producing desktop ready distributions that hide everything under the hood. The try to provide a more stable environment as well. All the binary distributions will have trouble getting the hardware environment correct. They just can't move fast enough to deal with the latest and greatest, or even the tried and true older stuff. Their Linux kernels have to try to please everybody and deal in a reasonable manner with what comes from the computer system makers. This requires them to put everything (and the kitchen sink!) in the mix, and hope it holds together. Gentoo, encouraging the building of a customized kernel for the hardware being used, gets the advantages of clean and lean and best speed available. Gentoo has become my favorite distribution since it is the most customizeable and doesn't force the users to accept too much crap along with the most useable bits. The documentation provides relatively clear explanations of why in addition to the how The Gentoo Handbook is one of the most accessible install documents around. I've been using UNIX since 1977, and Linux/GNU from its invention. Gentoo provies the right balance between having the good stuff easily installable, and being able to configure exactly what is wanted. Have fun with Gentoo. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury aka redwolfe (fedora proventester :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Heads-up; bash now uses readline USE flag
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:07:08 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Montag, 10. September 2012, 15:19:38 schrieb Walter Dnes: On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 08:41:36AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:42:45 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: Isn't readline enabled by default on all reasonable profiles? Do you have USE=-* in make.conf? If so, it's just bitten you. Yup. I did that to avoid further surprises after the developers in their infinite wisdom had IPV6 enabled by default on all reasonable profiles. Watching Firefox and mplayer spinning their wheels for 45 seconds at a time till IPV6 lookups timed out was not fun. I'd rather have that that an unusable shell. As was noted elsewhere this weekend, even if a USE flag is set but renamed, -* screws it up. So no matter what I do or don't do, a developer can find a way to screw me up. Next thing you know, I'll have to re-partition my system or else replace udev with mdev, to boot up... oops. wtf are you talking about? Just because you are unable to look at changed useflags when glancing over the output of emerge -a is not an excuse for using something idiotic like -*. Doing so and then complaining is just vile. He seems to have reacted badly to a singular bad experience with a dodgy ebuild. It's a classic case of seeing the one occasion where something went wrong and not see the 999 cases where it didn't. Then truing to deal with the 1 for the future just in case I get a similar kind of thing often at work. Someone makes a mistake and a chunk of the network goes down. The next day I might get a draconian mail from some manager demanding that vast sweeping changes to login rules be implemented just in case this ever happens again. Lucky for the company I have some cajones and just say no. Then I investigate and 3 times out of 4 I find the broken router is running some weird version of Cisco IOS which does something completely unexpected with a perfectly ordinary command. The other 1 time I always find a bat-shit crazy business customization that no sane engineer would ever have signed off on. The solution is never to try change the behaviour of all the humans. The solution is to change the behaviour of the one faulty machine when it breaks, and have many smart humans around with brains that can spot the busted machine quickly. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Heads-up; bash now uses readline USE flag
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:19:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I'd rather have that that an unusable shell. As was noted elsewhere this weekend, even if a USE flag is set but renamed, -* screws it up. So no matter what I do or don't do, a developer can find a way to screw me up. Yes, but since the devs know far more about the workings of the system and the interrelationships of its components than I do, I prefer to work with them than against them. I prefer to start with a known, working profile and tweak it. Rather than deliberately break everything and then apply my own fixes just to avoid the odd chance anyone else accidentally breaking it for me. -- Neil Bothwick .-Stealth Tagline signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] USB automount
Hello, Can someone refer me to a source that explains how when I plug in a USB thumb drive it appears on my XFCE4 desktop (or any other WM)? Ideally the answer will use words like: daemon hal udev policykit consolekit /etc/init.d/* hotplug gvfs mount automount pmount gnome-volume-manager udisks fstab mtab Also, ideally after I know about it I'd like to be able to understand and derive on my own the answer to this question: is it possible for TWM to recognize when I plug in a USB thumbdrive and display it for me to use. Thank you! Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] Having the possibility to set the system-wide locale settings
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: A 'locale' is a collection of character set, language, date/time format, currency format, etc Josh, Thank you. I now understand what a locale is. It is surprising to me that the string en_US.UTF8 tells the OS about currency, date/time, etc. I always thought UTF8 was just a character encoding (not really sure what that is either but I would not have guessed that UTF8 describes where the commas go in a currency). It doesn't, really. :) The locale code is typically composed of the format: language_region.encoding So for en_US.UTF8, language (en = English), region (US = United States), and encoding (UTF8 = Unicode). In this case the region code is where it will get the information about currency format etc. Some places also have an additional script identifier (languages which can be written in both Latin and Cyrillic, for example), and other modifiers are allowed to specify currencies, calendar formats, number system, etc. which might not be easily implied simply by knowing the language and country.
Re: [gentoo-user] WM that does not require policykit, consolekit, and gudev
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: 3. Select another WM that is more lightweight and doesn't require these USE flags. I'm leaning towards (3). Can you recommend a WM that will not require me to enable gudev, policykit, and consolekit? I think openbox doesn't require any of that crap. I'm sure openbox is an excellent WM. If you're a keyboard person, it's easily customizable. Jorge Almeida
Re: [gentoo-user] WM that does not require policykit, consolekit, and gudev
On Sep 10, 2012 7:14 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I installed twm to test my xorg as per the gentoo install docs. Works great! Then I decided to install what I thought would be a lightweight WM: xfce4 with emerge -vat xfce4-meta. Unfortunately emerge didn't want to continue without some changes from me involving USE flags gudev, policykit, and consolekit. At this point I see three options: 1. Understand gudev, policykit, and consolekit and not be frightened of them (a tall order given the google results I am getting). Then enable the USE flags and install xfce4-meta 2. Do not attempt to understand the USE flags and enable them anyway (frightening given all the polictykit and consolekit chatter I see on google) 3. Select another WM that is more lightweight and doesn't require these USE flags. I'm leaning towards (3). Can you recommend a WM that will not require me to enable gudev, policykit, and consolekit? Thank you, Chris I'm very fond of 'awesome'. It has a steep learning curve, but, once climbed, it lives up to its name.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: Gentoo is the best distribution I have used (I haven't used too many: ubuntu, fedora, gentoo). I love the USE flags. I love watching (and questioning) what is going to be installed. I love emerge. Supposedly gentoo lacks being able to have a system just work without thinking about anything. But in my experience on linux, this simply isn't the case anywhere. With ubuntu, for example, I had trouble with sound and ethernet cards that I could never figure out... and the kind of answers I get on their forums drive me insane (my uncle once said that his cousin typed this magical command and it worked fine for a little while so maybe try that). That's how I felt, too, in 2003 or 2004 when I first installed Gentoo, and I've been using it ever since and still feel the same way. I've tried other distros but Gentoo feels the most natural to me. I'm okay with more responsibility in exchange for more control over my system. Yeah, sometimes it makes you think about what you're doing more than some other distros, but I don't see that as a bad thing. Thinking is fun.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Reinstall + switch to KDE
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 09:36:25PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:53:41 -0400 Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/09/12 19:12, Samuraiii wrote: Hello, because I broke me PC and I need to reinstall it I'm going ask what should I preserve to make install faster: So what *is* broken? The hardware? If you have a new PC, you simply need to transfer your Gentoo install to a new hard disk using rsync. He borked his /usr/include due to an improperly-written uninstall rule in a Makefile. What about a script that looks for all installed packages, looks at what they installed into /usr/include, and extracts those files from the sources? Just some basic thoughts: Get all file lists for installed packages: find /var/db/pkg/ -type f -name CONTENTS # extract package name and version from path of the file, e.g. /var/db/pkg/kde-base/kdelibs-4.9.1/CONTENT would yield name = kde-base/kdelibs, version = 4.9.1 Find out the source archive file from the ebuild (there's probably a nice python way for this. As a last resort, some one-liner like emerge -pvfO =$name-$version|sed -n '1s_.*/\(.*\) .*_\1_gp' which gets the filename of the first URL that emerge spits out. Now extract all those files from the source archive whose path starts with /usr/include in the CONTENTS file. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. The situation is hopeless, but not serious. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: Gentoo is the best distribution I have used (I haven't used too many: ubuntu, fedora, gentoo). I love the USE flags. I love watching (and questioning) what is going to be installed. I love emerge. Supposedly gentoo lacks being able to have a system just work without thinking about anything. But in my experience on linux, this simply isn't the case anywhere. With ubuntu, for example, I had trouble with sound and ethernet cards that I could never figure out... and the kind of answers I get on their forums drive me insane (my uncle once said that his cousin typed this magical command and it worked fine for a little while so maybe try that). And what's the deal with these major release versions of the other distros? Why do that? Thank you to all the people who contribute to it... and to those who are giving great advice/solutions on this list! Chris Like Paul and many others I've never looked back. I'm no power user, and contrary to a lot of the press out there I don't think you need to be to use this distro. Just be careful and red a bit. I've been helping a long time trading partner friend of mine with his move to Gentoo over the last year. He's hardly using native Windows anymore. He just runs a bunch of VMs like I do. Don't go doing anything crazy with your use flags. Yeah, they are cool, but my experience, especially in the beginning, is that less is more. I only have about 10 in make.conf on any of the 10 or so machines we have in our family now. I add a few in package.use when I'm forced to. Other than that KISS. Good luck welcome to the family. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: For the release to use new packages with their new magic features, every other package using those packages must also be recompiled I see now. The only sane way to deal with this is to peg the packages at version levels and stick with it. I see that's the only thing that could work. I completely get it now. Great explanation, thank you! I'm a little embarrassed though that I didn't consider there was a technical reason for the major versions. I just assumed it was done for marketing reasons. Chris
[gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
I installed xfce4-meta and was a little surprised to see it did not come with thunar. When I tried to install it, portage became upset. Question: is it normal that I would have to ~amd64 a bunch of packages and deal with slot conflicts and static-libs to install a file manager? FYI I am running a stable (non-~AMD64) system. Thank you, Chris === # emerge -pv xfce-base/thunar These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: dev-libs/libgcrypt:0 (dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.5.0-r2::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by dev-libs/libgcrypt[static-libs] required by (sys-fs/cryptsetup-1.4.1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) (dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.5.0-r2::gentoo, installed) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) sys-libs/zlib:0 (sys-libs/zlib-1.2.5.1-r2::gentoo, installed) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) (sys-libs/zlib-1.2.7::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by =sys-libs/zlib-1.2.6 required by (sys-apps/kmod-10::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) dev-libs/popt:0 (dev-libs/popt-1.16-r1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by =dev-libs/popt-1.16-r1[static-libs] required by (sys-fs/cryptsetup-1.4.1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) (dev-libs/popt-1.16-r1::gentoo, installed) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) dev-libs/glib:2 (dev-libs/glib-2.32.4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by =dev-libs/glib-2.32.4:2 required by (dev-util/gdbus-codegen-2.32.4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) (and 3 more with the same problem) (dev-libs/glib-2.30.3::gentoo, installed) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) It may be possible to solve this problem by using package.mask to prevent one of those packages from being selected. However, it is also possible that conflicting dependencies exist such that they are impossible to satisfy simultaneously. If such a conflict exists in the dependencies of two different packages, then those packages can not be installed simultaneously. You may want to try a larger value of the --backtrack option, such as --backtrack=30, in order to see if that will solve this conflict automatically. For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed: #required by sys-fs/udisks-1.99.0-r1, required by gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3[udisks], required by xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[dbus,xfce_plugins_trash], required by xfce-base/thunar (argument) =sys-auth/polkit-0.107 ~amd64 #required by dev-util/gdbus-codegen-2.32.4, required by sys-fs/udisks-1.99.0-r1, required by gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3[udisks], required by xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[dbus,xfce_plugins_trash], required by xfce-base/thunar (argument) =dev-libs/glib-2.32.4 ~amd64 #required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-16 =sys-fs/udev-189 ~amd64 #required by sys-fs/udev-189[openrc], required by dev-libs/libatasmart-0.19, required by sys-fs/udisks-1.99.0-r1, required by gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3[udisks], required by xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[dbus,xfce_plugins_trash], required by xfce-base/thunar (argument) =sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-16 ~amd64 #required by sys-fs/udev-189, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-16 =sys-apps/kmod-10 ~amd64 #required by sys-apps/kmod-10[zlib], required by sys-fs/udev-189, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-16 =sys-libs/zlib-1.2.7 ~amd64 #required by xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[dbus,xfce_plugins_trash], required by xfce-base/thunar (argument) =gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3 ~amd64 #required by gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3[udisks], required by xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[dbus,xfce_plugins_trash], required by xfce-base/thunar (argument) =sys-fs/udisks-1.99.0-r1 ~amd64 #required by sys-fs/udisks-1.99.0-r1, required by gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3[udisks], required by xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[dbus,xfce_plugins_trash], required by xfce-base/thunar (argument) =dev-util/gdbus-codegen-2.32.4 ~amd64 #required by sys-fs/udev-189[hwdb], required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-16 =sys-apps/hwids-20120831 ~amd64 #required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107, required by sys-fs/udisks-1.99.0-r1, required by gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3[udisks], required by xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[dbus,xfce_plugins_trash], required by xfce-base/thunar (argument) =dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5-r1 ~amd64 The following USE changes are necessary to proceed: #required by xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[dbus,xfce_plugins_trash], required by xfce-base/thunar (argument) =gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3 udisks #required by sys-fs/cryptsetup-1.4.1[static], required by sys-fs/udisks-1.99.0-r1[crypt], required by gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3[udisks], required by
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Chris Stankevitz
chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote:
I installed xfce4-meta and was a little surprised to see it did not
come with thunar. When I tried to install it, portage became upset.
Question: is it normal that I would have to ~amd64 a bunch of packages
and deal with slot conflicts and static-libs to install a file
manager? FYI I am running a stable (non-~AMD64) system.
Thank you,
Chris
My wife uses XFCE with none of that confusion going on. I don't have
anything much on the machine in terms of controlling XFCE. It just
works. The machine was updated a few days ago so unless something got
messed up in portage it sounds like a config issue on your end to me.
HTH,
Mark
k2 ~ # eix -Ic xfce
[U] x11-themes/gtk-engines-xfce (3.0.0-r200{tbz2}@05/17/12 -
3.0.0-r200{tbz2} 3.0.0-r300(3)): A port of Xfce engine to GTK+-3.x
[I] xfce-base/libxfce4ui (4.10.0{tbz2}@05/22/12): Unified widgets and
session management libraries for the Xfce desktop environment
[I] xfce-base/libxfce4util (4.10.0{tbz2}@05/22/12): A basic utility
library for the Xfce desktop environment
[I] xfce-base/libxfcegui4 (4.10.0{tbz2}@05/22/12): A compability
library for unported Xfce 4.6 plugins
[I] xfce-base/xfce4-appfinder (4.10.0{tbz2}@05/22/12): A tool to find
and launch installed applications for the Xfce desktop environment
[I] xfce-base/xfce4-meta (4.10{tbz2}@05/22/12): The Xfce Desktop
Environment (meta package)
[I] xfce-base/xfce4-panel (4.10.0{tbz2}@05/22/12): Panel for the Xfce
desktop environment
[I] xfce-base/xfce4-session (4.10.0{tbz2}@05/22/12): A session manager
for the Xfce desktop environment
[I] xfce-base/xfce4-settings (4.10.0{tbz2}@05/22/12): Configuration
system for the Xfce desktop environment
[I] xfce-extra/xfce4-datetime-plugin (0.6.1{tbz2}@05/22/12): A panel
plug-in with date, time and embedded calender
[I] xfce-extra/xfce4-mixer (4.8.0{tbz2}@05/22/12): A volume control
application (and panel plug-in) for the Xfce desktop environment
[I] xfce-extra/xfce4-notes-plugin (1.7.7{tbz2}@05/22/12): Xfce4 panel
sticky notes plugin
[I] xfce-extra/xfce4-timer-plugin (0.6.4{tbz2}@05/22/12): A simple
timer plug-in for the Xfce desktop environment
Found 13 matches.
k2 ~ # eix -Ic thunar
[I] xfce-base/thunar (1.4.0{tbz2}@06/12/12): File manager for the Xfce
desktop environment
k2 ~ # cat /etc/portage/package.keywords | grep xfce
k2 ~ # cat /etc/portage/package.use | grep xfce
k2 ~ #
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: I installed xfce4-meta and was a little surprised to see it did not come with thunar. When I tried to install it, portage became upset. Question: is it normal that I would have to ~amd64 a bunch of packages and deal with slot conflicts and static-libs to install a file manager? FYI I am running a stable (non-~AMD64) system. Thank you, The problem seems to be the use of static libraries (which I firmly believe are completely useless in a modern Linux system). I don't have enabled *any* static nor static-libs flag in my whole system (a full fledged GNOME 3 desktop), and neither in my server. Try reemerging world with USE=-static -static-libs, and then try to emerge thunar also with USE=-static -static-libs. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Try reemerging world with USE=-static -static-libs, and then try to emerge thunar also with USE=-static -static-libs. Canek, Thank you for your help. I 1. added -static -static-libs to /etc/make.conf USE. 2. emerge --newuse --deep world (rebuilt only glib) 3. emerge -pv thunar (also with the use flag enabled although thunar seems to not use that USE flag?). I got farther this time, but it seems that emerge is still asking a lot of me. Eventhough I think it's odd (and a sign that I screwed up somewhere), I can satisfy the USE flag requests and the ~amd64 requests. I do not know how to solve the slot conflicts. Thanks again for your help, Chris PS: This is a new install without anything fancy AFAIK. I synced portage about 10 hours ago. === drg ~ # emerge -pv thunar These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N~] sys-apps/hwids-20120831 360 kB [ebuild U ~] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.7 [1.2.5.1-r2] USE=-minizip -static-libs 548 kB [ebuild N ] dev-libs/icu-49.1.2 USE=-debug -doc -examples -static-libs 18,566 kB [ebuild N ] sys-apps/gptfdisk-0.8.4 179 kB [ebuild N ] app-arch/zip-3.0 USE=bzip2 crypt unicode 1,258 kB [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libtasn1-2.12 USE=-doc -static-libs 1,906 kB [ebuild NS] sys-devel/autoconf-2.13 [2.68] 434 kB [ebuild N ] dev-libs/nspr-4.9.2 USE=-debug 1,145 kB [ebuild N ] dev-libs/nettle-2.4 USE=gmp 1,051 kB [ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.14.19-r1 USE=-debug -doc -test 747 kB [ebuild N~] dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5-r1 USE=-debug -static-libs -test 6,021 kB [ebuild N ] dev-libs/elfutils-0.149 USE=bzip2 nls zlib -lzma 1,780 kB [ebuild N ] net-libs/gnutls-2.12.18 USE=cxx nettle nls zlib -bindist -doc -examples -guile -lzo -pkcs11 -static-libs -test 7,040 kB [ebuild N ] sys-block/parted-3.1 USE=debug nls readline -device-mapper (-selinux) -static-libs -test 1,489 kB [ebuild N ] sys-block/eject-2.1.5-r2 USE=nls 121 kB [ebuild U ~] dev-libs/glib-2.32.4 [2.30.3] USE=-debug -doc (-fam) (-selinux) -static-libs -systemtap -test -utils -xattr 6,034 kB [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gsettings-desktop-schemas-3.2.0-r1 152 kB [ebuild N ] virtual/eject-0 0 kB [ebuild N ] net-libs/libproxy-0.4.7 USE=python -gnome -kde -mono -networkmanager -perl -test 89 kB [ebuild N ] net-libs/glib-networking-2.30.2 USE=gnome libproxy ssl 291 kB [ebuild N ] net-libs/libsoup-2.36.1-r1 USE=introspection ssl -debug -doc -samba -test 595 kB [ebuild N~] dev-util/gdbus-codegen-2.32.4 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_2 -python2_5 -python2_6 -python3_1 0 kB [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.32.4 USE=introspection -debug -doc -ldap -policykit 1,296 kB [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-2.32.1-r1 USE=pam -debug -doc -test 1,582 kB [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-keyring-2.32.0 USE=-debug -doc -test 403 kB [ebuild N ] net-libs/libsoup-gnome-2.36.1 USE=introspection -debug -doc 0 kB [ebuild N~] sys-apps/kmod-10 USE=tools zlib -debug -doc -lzma -static-libs 1,100 kB [uninstall ] sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.16-r1 USE=-static [blocks b ] sys-apps/kmod (sys-apps/kmod is blocking sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.16-r1) [blocks b ] sys-apps/module-init-tools (sys-apps/module-init-tools is blocking sys-apps/kmod-10) [ebuild U ~] sys-auth/polkit-0.107 [0.104-r1] USE=introspection nls pam -examples -gtk -kde (-selinux) -systemd (-debug%) (-doc%) 1,351 kB [ebuild U ~] sys-fs/udev-189 [171-r6] USE=acl%* gudev hwdb* openrc%* -doc% -introspection -keymap (-selinux) -static-libs% (-action_modeswitch%) (-build%) (-debug%) (-edd%) (-extras%) (-floppy%) (-rule_generator%*) (-test%) 1,341 kB [blocks b ] sys-fs/udev-186 (sys-fs/udev-186 is blocking sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-16) [ebuild N~] sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-16 5 kB [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libatasmart-0.19 USE=-static-libs 246 kB [ebuild N ] sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.88 USE=lvm1 readline (-clvm) (-cman) (-selinux) -static -static-libs 1,006 kB [ebuild N ] sys-fs/cryptsetup-1.4.1 USE=nls (-selinux) -static 755 kB [ebuild N~] sys-fs/udisks-1.99.0-r1 USE=crypt gptfdisk introspection -debug -systemd 713 kB [ebuild N~] gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3 USE=http udev udisks -afp -archive -avahi -bluetooth -bluray -cdda -doc -fuse -gdu -gnome-keyring -gphoto2 -ios -samba 1,332 kB [ebuild N ] xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0 USE=dbus pcre udev -debug -exif -libnotify -startup-notification -test XFCE_PLUGINS=trash 1,871 kB [blocks B ] sys-apps/pciutils-3.1.9-r2 (sys-apps/pciutils-3.1.9-r2 is blocking sys-apps/hwids-20120831) [blocks B ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.58 (sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.58 is blocking dev-util/gdbus-codegen-2.32.4) [blocks B ] sys-apps/openrc-0.9.9 (sys-apps/openrc-0.9.9 is blocking sys-fs/udev-189) Total: 36 packages (4 upgrades, 31 new, 1 in new slot, 1
Re: [gentoo-user] stage3/handbook mismatch
On Sep 11, 2012 5:19 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: That's a very new change just announced globally today and only for new installs. Take a look at eselect news for more info. What a coincidence! I went with the older stage3 approach. Thank you, Chris I just switched 3 machines over to the new way. It works fine. eselect profile set will create the new link in /etc/portage. I figure the biggest issue for me is that I won't be able to mindlessly type vi /etc/make.conf anymore. ;-) Ahh... the curse of muscle memory... I bet I'll experience some dumbfounded moments for at least one week, staring at an empty vi screen due to muscle memory typing /etc/make.conf instead of /etc/portage/make.conf ... :-P Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I got farther this time, but it seems that emerge is still asking a lot of me. Eventhough I think it's odd (and a sign that I screwed up somewhere), I can satisfy the USE flag requests and the ~amd64 requests. I do not know how to solve the slot conflicts. This is weird. xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0 (the only available version) is stable; every one of its dependencies should be stable. You should not require to keyword any package. Can I see your USE variable in /etc/make.conf (or /etc/portage/make.conf, if you use the new recommended location)? Also, if you have it, your /etc/portage/package.use file or files? I have an old server running without nothing X-related, and portage allows me to merge thunar by just setting X and gudev to my USE flags. Also, your xfce-meta installation didn't pull thunar because you didn't set the (surprise) thunar USE flag. Before merging something, do a: emerge -pv xfce-meta You will see the possible USE flags, and which ones are set. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: The problem seems to be the use of static libraries I temporarily worked around by adding xfce-base/thunar -udev to package.use. Somehow building thunar with udev introduced the mess. Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] stage3/handbook mismatch
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Sep 11, 2012 5:19 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: That's a very new change just announced globally today and only for new installs. Take a look at eselect news for more info. What a coincidence! I went with the older stage3 approach. Thank you, Chris I just switched 3 machines over to the new way. It works fine. eselect profile set will create the new link in /etc/portage. I figure the biggest issue for me is that I won't be able to mindlessly type vi /etc/make.conf anymore. ;-) Ahh... the curse of muscle memory... I bet I'll experience some dumbfounded moments for at least one week, staring at an empty vi screen due to muscle memory typing /etc/make.conf instead of /etc/portage/make.conf ... :-P Rgds, Someone else suggested (or I think they suggested) putting a link at /etc/make.conf pointing at the new location. That might help with that problem. I'm just gonna force myself to learn the new location but like you're worried about I've already done it a couple of times today! - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Can I see your USE Canek, Thank you for your help. My USE flags are pretty benign. I'm beginning to suspect something is grossly wrong with my setup. Below I will post my USE line from make.conf and my entire package.use. # make.conf # # 2012-09-10: Added udev, X, python to appease xorg # 2012-09-10: Added -gnome dbus to appease the xfce configuration guide USE=mmx sse sse2 udev X python -gnome dbus # package.use # 2012-09-10: appease xfce4-meta sys-fs/udev gudev sys-auth/consolekit policykit sys-auth/pambase consolekit # 2012-09-10: appease thunar xfce-base/thunar -udev Also, your xfce-meta installation didn't pull thunar because you didn't set the (surprise) thunar USE flag. Ahh. It's coming back to me now. I believe I had it set originally but dropped it when I discovered the mess it created. Thank you, Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
On Sep 11, 2012 6:40 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: Gentoo is the best distribution I have used (I haven't used too many: ubuntu, fedora, gentoo). I love the USE flags. I love watching (and questioning) what is going to be installed. I love emerge. Supposedly gentoo lacks being able to have a system just work without thinking about anything. But in my experience on linux, this simply isn't the case anywhere. With ubuntu, for example, I had trouble with sound and ethernet cards that I could never figure out... and the kind of answers I get on their forums drive me insane (my uncle once said that his cousin typed this magical command and it worked fine for a little while so maybe try that). That's how I felt, too, in 2003 or 2004 when I first installed Gentoo, and I've been using it ever since and still feel the same way. I've tried other distros but Gentoo feels the most natural to me. I'm okay with more responsibility in exchange for more control over my system. Yeah, sometimes it makes you think about what you're doing more than some other distros, but I don't see that as a bad thing. Thinking is fun. This thread reminds me of a page I've posted here quite some times ago: http://mark.orbum.net/2011/11/15/the-pan-pipes-of-gentoo-linux-always-at-the-source/ I can't put it better than that guy. Although he finally settled for a-linux-distro-named-after-a-headwear, he still longs to be with The Source. The Source, Luke! Use The Source! Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] # 2012-09-10: appease thunar xfce-base/thunar -udev This makes no sense; the udev flag in thunar only asks for =sys-fs/udev-171, which is stable. Are you sure you don't have anything in /etc/portage/package.keywords? By the way, it will be difficult for you to find a stronger supporter of udev/systemd than myself; and I don't have the global udev flag set. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] # 2012-09-10: appease thunar xfce-base/thunar -udev This makes no sense; the udev flag in thunar only asks for =sys-fs/udev-171, which is stable. Are you sure you don't have anything in /etc/portage/package.keywords? By the way, it will be difficult for you to find a stronger supporter of udev/systemd than myself; and I don't have the global udev flag set. One more thing; which profile (/etc/make.profile or /etc/portage/make.profile) do you have? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] stage3/handbook mismatch
On Sep 11, 2012 9:31 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Sep 11, 2012 5:19 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: That's a very new change just announced globally today and only for new installs. Take a look at eselect news for more info. What a coincidence! I went with the older stage3 approach. Thank you, Chris I just switched 3 machines over to the new way. It works fine. eselect profile set will create the new link in /etc/portage. I figure the biggest issue for me is that I won't be able to mindlessly type vi /etc/make.conf anymore. ;-) Ahh... the curse of muscle memory... I bet I'll experience some dumbfounded moments for at least one week, staring at an empty vi screen due to muscle memory typing /etc/make.conf instead of /etc/portage/make.conf ... :-P Rgds, Someone else suggested (or I think they suggested) putting a link at /etc/make.conf pointing at the new location. That might help with that problem. I'm just gonna force myself to learn the new location but like you're worried about I've already done it a couple of times today! - Mark :q! is the menu if the week, if not month, then ;-) Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Heads-up; bash now uses readline USE flag
On Sep 11, 2012 5:58 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:19:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I'd rather have that that an unusable shell. As was noted elsewhere this weekend, even if a USE flag is set but renamed, -* screws it up. So no matter what I do or don't do, a developer can find a way to screw me up. Yes, but since the devs know far more about the workings of the system and the interrelationships of its components than I do, I prefer to work with them than against them. I prefer to start with a known, working profile and tweak it. Rather than deliberately break everything and then apply my own fixes just to avoid the odd chance anyone else accidentally breaking it for me. +1 to this. In my previous employment, I used Gentoo in production environment. There's a gaggle of USE flags in make.conf, mostly of the - variety. But I stay clear of -* ... that thing's too eeevil for me... :-) Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Weird hibernate problem
Hi Timur, we need a lot more information: what kernel version in kernel or ToI hibernation are you using genkernel separate /usr lvm and anything else applicable. Hibernation can be a pig to get going. BillK -Original Message- From: Timur Aydin t...@taydin.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Weird hibernate problem Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:06:17 +0300 After corrupting my gentoo root filesystem system during hibernate experiments, I have finally finished the reinstallation. But hibernate still doesn't seem to work correctly. The symptoms are the same as during the experiments leading to the root fs corruption, but this time the root seems to remain intact. Here is what happened during the first experiment. I had an 8G swap partition as /dev/sda5 and a data partition as /dev/sda6. Thinking that pm-hibernate requires a dedicated, separate partition, I backed up /dev/sda6, turned off swap at /dev/sda5, deleted /dev/sda[56] and then created /dev/sda5 (8G), /dev/sda6 (8G) and /dev/sda7 (remaining size) Then I specified /dev/sda6 as the resume partition on the kernel command line. But when I did the pm-hibernate, the system powered off, and after reboot, the system seemed to have restored itself to the state it was at when I ran pm-hibernate. So it seemed to have worked, but the system was strangely unstable. There were many filesystem errors in the root partition and when I did a ps ax, I saw hundreds of kworker kernel threads lingering around. It was as if the hibernate image was slightly corrupted, but not enough to cause a complete lockup, but enough to cause there strange symptoms. I first thought this was related to using the swap partition as the resume destination. But after reinstalling gentoo, I again used a separate partition for hibernate, but I am still seeing the same symtoms. Many kworker kernel threads are sleeping. But this time, the root filesystem didn't have any error. Concerned that a filesystem corruption is imminent, I immediately turned off power. So, what could be causing these strange problems? Based on what I have read so far, the resume partition needs to be an active swap partition. This seems rather strange, because linux is using the swap partition for memory management as well. So shouldn't these be well separated to prevent corrupting each other? Hope someone can help me make sense of all of this...
Re: [gentoo-user] Heads-up; bash now uses readline USE flag
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:15:47AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote But I stay clear of -* ... that thing's too eeevil for me... :-) I realize -* requires extra work, and I'm willing to do it. That includes finding solutions to obscure problems. Maybe it's because I'm a control freak. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] WM that does not require policykit, consolekit, and gudev
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:19:51PM -0700, Chris Stankevitz wrote 3. Select another WM that is more lightweight and doesn't require these USE flags. I'm leaning towards (3). Can you recommend a WM that will not require me to enable gudev, policykit, and consolekit? See my sig. I use ICEWM. Runs fine without the above flags. Not only does it not require gudev, it works fine without udev (I use mdev). The only extra item I added was to build it with imlib USE flag. Without imlib, it only supports .xpm icons (e.g. on the launchbar). imlib adds support for png/gif/etc. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] USB automount
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 03:56:20PM -0700, Chris Stankevitz wrote Also, ideally after I know about it I'd like to be able to understand and derive on my own the answer to this question: is it possible for TWM to recognize when I plug in a USB thumbdrive and display it for me to use. A GUI is not necessary. TWM by itself is not only not enough, it's not relevant. Every time that a USB device is inserted or removed, an event is triggered by the kernel. What's required is an event handler that reacts appropriately to those events. This is usually udev, but mdev will also work. I've replaced udev with mdev on my machine ( see https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev ) and I've implemented USB automounting under mdev, using scripts. It works even in text console mode. See https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB My approach may not be appropriate for a Gentoo newbie. In GNOME/KDE etc, automounting is one of a ton of extra goodies in the kitchen sink and it just works. My approach requires doing some manual setting up before it works. However, if you want an idea of the mechanics involved my USB automount page provides the background... because I had to ask a question similar to yours, and spend a few weeks searching for answers on the web. It helps that I'm retired, and have the necessary time. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] WM that does not require policykit, consolekit, and gudev
On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 00:20 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: 3. Select another WM that is more lightweight and doesn't require these USE flags. I'm leaning towards (3). Can you recommend a WM that will not require me to enable gudev, policykit, and consolekit? I think openbox doesn't require any of that crap. I'm sure openbox is an excellent WM. If you're a keyboard person, it's easily customizable. Jorge Almeida LXDE is based on openbox. I am using LXDE on a new install - excellent. I have also converted three other systems from gnome. Vastly increased productivity, no more crashes, much faster (esp on older hardware), and just plain nicer to use. When I get time I'll have to look into removing as much of gnome as possible ... are there any guides on how to do this? BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xfce-base/thunar: lobotomy needed
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: =sys-fs/udev-171, which is stable. Are you sure you don't have anything in /etc/portage/package.keywords? I know it sounds absurd, but... I have no package.keywords file. My package.use is small and benign. My make.conf is also benign. I am using the default profile ([1] default/linux/amd64/10.10 *) Emerge output is pretty clear: - thunar (argument) is pulling in - xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0[udev], which is pulling in - gnome-base/gvfs-1.12.3 ~amd64 - which pulls in all kinds of stuff This sure makes it look like I have gvfs in my package.keywords, but I do not. I promise! This command: find /usr/portage -name \*.ebuild | xargs grep gvfs-1.12 Returns these files: /usr/portage/gnome-base/gnome-core-libs/gnome-core-libs-3.4.1.ebuild /usr/portage/gnome-base/gnome/gnome-3.4.1.ebuild /usr/portage/gnome-base/gnome-light/gnome-light-3.4.1.ebuild /usr/portage/gnome-base/gvfs/gvfs-1.12.*.ebuild Weird. I have no idea where the gvfs-1.12 dependency is coming in. And emerge -t won't even tell me. Portage is so upset about this it will not even show me a tree (see original post in this thread). By the way, it will be difficult for you to find a stronger supporter of udev/systemd than myself; and I don't have the global udev flag set. I don't really know what udev is (I know it holds actions to take when certain USB devices are plugged... that's all I know). I just added global udev to obey the gentoo xfce install guide. If I remove it from make.conf, I can install thunar... but if I try to install thunar-volman the problem returns (thunar-volman requires thunar with udev) Thank you, Chris
