Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
On 06/08/2015 11:13, Felix Miata wrote:
Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
handbook you would have got what you wanted.
Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when a branch
explanation ends
On 06/08/2015 20:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:17:56 +0100, Mick wrote:
Which clearly says ccache not found. That implies you have added
ccache to FEATURES but not installed the ccache package. I know, I
did the same thing last week.
Probably O/T but why do you need
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:17 PM, James` wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Jc García jyo.garcia at gmail.com writes:
I'm not saying push one over the other, but explain and delineate
that choice
*early* in the handbook. WE owe the larger linux community that wisdom::
that gentoo has made
On 06/08/2015 18:18, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
myself again. No big deal, I thought -- and was wrong.
Yes,
Am 2015-08-06 um 13:18 schrieb Rich Freeman:
It isn't necessarily essential, but btrfs fi df /mnt/gentoo will show
you that before the balance there are still some chunks in single mode
- it seems like mkfs creates the first device and adds the second one,
leaving some residual non-RAID
Am 06.08.2015 um 22:01 schrieb Rich Freeman:
You're defining really systemd-free in the same sense that the FSF
defines a really free distro (they think Debian FOSS-only isn't good
enough). Sticking with the base profile should get you an experience
about the same as what you'd have gotten 4
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
And, no, I won't install any package which is merged into systemd. As
you mentioned udev, what do you need udev for if you don't use systemd?
Just install eudev. Works perfectly without any systemd dependency.
Like I
On 06/08/2015 18:34, James wrote:
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
On 06/08/2015 11:13, Felix Miata wrote:
Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
handbook you would have got what you wanted.
Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am 06.08.2015 um 18:59 schrieb Jc García:
OpenRC is there on the stage3, systemd isn't, if you don't think about
systemd you get an OpenRC installation, I think it would confuse more
people to talk about choosing init
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:09:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I think the Handbook is getting better and better. However the
systemd-openrc choice is something that needs to be explained early
in the handbook from a neutral prospective. Let's face it, lots of
folks become interested in Gentoo,
On 06/08/2015 20:28, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 02:59:09 PM Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 21:53:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I only have it enabled for LibreOffice, which is a regular victim of
@preserved-rebuild causing the same version to be rebuilt.
What sort of improvements do you get? libreoffice here takes about 1h30
to build, give or take 10 mins or
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 22:00:35 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 21:53:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I only have it enabled for LibreOffice, which is a regular victim of
@preserved-rebuild causing the same version to be rebuilt.
What sort of improvements do you get?
On 6 August 2015 at 01:34, Bryan Gardiner b...@khumba.net wrote:
Hello list,
This is the disk:
*-disk
description: ATA Disk
product: ST1000LM024 HN-M
vendor: Seagate
physical id: 0.0.0
bus info: scsi@4:0.0.0
logical name: /dev/sda
version: 0001
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 17:52:28 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny
grub partition before the boot partition, even
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote:
First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't
include it in my attempts. Could that be why, on booting, the kernel couldn't
mount the file system?
I don't think that balancing an empty btrfs filesystem is necessary. It
Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-06 08:33 (UTC+0100):
I can think of no good reason to start with GRUB 0.97it.
I have hundreds of installations. Grub is simple and works. I'm not into
breaking what works.
Goal #2 is to get through that first pass
without any of systemd being installed.
I've started a new thread rather than hijacking the other one. I've made
several attempts at installing a btrfs system on what may be a too-old
machine, and Grant Edwards and I asked Rich for help.
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 13:55:09 Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Peter
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:13:42 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-06 08:33 (UTC+0100):
I can think of no good reason to start with GRUB 0.97.
I have hundreds of installations. Grub is simple and works. I'm not into
breaking what works.
So you already have a
On Thursday 06 August 2015 12:09:20 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote:
First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't
include it in my attempts. Could that be why, on booting, the kernel
couldn't mount the file system?
I don't
On 06/08/2015 11:13, Felix Miata wrote:
Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
handbook you would have got what you wanted.
Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when a branch explanation
ends before an answer emerges. It probably would have been easy if
Am Tue, 4 Aug 2015 00:37:54 +0100
schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:50:24 -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Is this server-related? I have only simple workstations/laptops and I
don't enable systemd-networkd at all. It seems that NetworkManager
takes
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 21:17:29 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 06/08/2015 18:18, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
If I followed the kernel instructions page correctly, its E8400 Core2Duo
wasn't in need of an initrd, and so did not get one. Main deviation from
suggestions/defaults was enabling HPFS filesystems. Result was 6001056 byte
4.0.5. openSUSE Tumbleweed 4.0.5 kernel is virtually identical at 6004656,
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
myself again. No big deal, I thought --
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:34:56 PM Felix Miata wrote:
If I followed the kernel instructions page correctly, its E8400 Core2Duo
wasn't in need of an initrd, and so did not get one. Main deviation from
suggestions/defaults was enabling HPFS filesystems. Result was 6001056 byte
4.0.5.
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:17:56 PM Mick wrote:
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 09:10:51 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:59:44 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
1-Distrowatch is what lead me to believe I could do something I wished
to do.
Is it DistroWatch that led you to believe
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:04:27 AM Cor Legemaat wrote:
On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 01:00 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Tuesday, August 04, 2015 8:18:43 PM Cor Legemaat wrote:
On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 19:56 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
On Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:12:07 PM Mick
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
I was wondering similar questions regarding a 32G flash card I have.
Using fdisk to partition it the starting sector was automatically
aligned with 2048 as it fdisk has been improved to deal with 4KB
sector drives.
However, formatting it with mkfs.vfat
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:08:16 +0100, Mick wrote:
% cat /etc/portage/env/ccache.conf
FEATURES=ccache
% cat /etc/portage/package.env/libreoffice
app-office/libreoffice ccache.conf disk-tmpdir.conf
And don't forget to emerge ccache ;-)
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
myself again. No big deal, I thought --
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:08:16 +0100, Mick wrote:
% cat /etc/portage/env/ccache.conf
FEATURES=ccache
% cat /etc/portage/package.env/libreoffice
app-office/libreoffice ccache.conf disk-tmpdir.conf
And don't forget to emerge ccache ;-)
Hmm ... may be I should re-enable it to see if I
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/08/2015 20:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:17:56 +0100, Mick wrote:
Which clearly says ccache not found. That implies you have added
ccache to FEATURES but not installed the ccache package. I know, I
did the same thing
Meino.Cramer at gmx.de writes:
I think the whole thing ipset consists of a kernel configuration
and a user tool, which is available via emerge. Unfortunately, emerge
still insists of patching the kernel, which is - according to your
informations - unnecessary.
oops. I guess I was unclear.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:00:35 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
What sort of improvements do you get? libreoffice here takes about
1h30 to build, give or take 10 mins or so. Doesn't seem worth the
extra hassle of ccache for an hour and a half.
It varies, but it can more than
2015-08-05 23:51 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
Heiko Baums composed on 2015-08-06 07:19 (UTC+0200):
...
It's actually pretty easy.
I'm sure plenty have found that to be the case. My problem is inability to
connect the dots between the 12.1 column on
Am Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:37:30 +0200
schrieb Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com:
On 05/08/2015 09:00, Marc Joliet wrote:
Am Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:13:20 -0400
schrieb Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-04 21:36 (UTC+0100):
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:32:51
I'll skip the bits that were already dealt with.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't
include it in my attempts. Could that be why, on booting, the kernel couldn't
mount the file
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 07:18:08 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
I'll skip the bits that were already dealt with.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't
include it in my attempts. Could
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:34:32 + (UTC), James wrote:
Agreed. But we can (maybe eventually) offer more frequent live versions
of gentoo, in a canned dvd(w/persistence) so that folks can test-drive
gentoo, add a few packages and get comfortable before undertaking that
long and winding manual
Jc García jyo.garcia at gmail.com writes:
I'm not saying push one over the other, but explain and delineate
that choice
*early* in the handbook. WE owe the larger linux community that wisdom::
that gentoo has made peace with systemd and openrc:: imho.
OpenRC is there on the stage3,
Am 06.08.2015 um 18:34 schrieb James:
Or, We could also point them to existing gentoo
derivatives for a test-drive:: pentoo, lilblue, sabayon, calculate etc etc
first, if we are not going to roll more frequent live* images?
That's not a good idea, at least not regarding Sabayon. They use
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 09:10:51 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:59:44 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
1-Distrowatch is what lead me to believe I could do something I wished
to do.
Is it DistroWatch that led you to believe that what you wanted wasn't
the default to start with?
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 18:59:11 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:34:32 + (UTC), James wrote:
Agreed. But we can (maybe eventually) offer more frequent live versions
of gentoo, in a canned dvd(w/persistence) so that folks can test-drive
gentoo, add a few packages and get
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:25:08 +0100, Mick wrote:
That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with
prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook, but
without changing use flags from the default profiles for that DVD,
and get a running system in no time. I
2015-08-06 10:34 GMT-06:00 James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com:
I think the Handbook is getting better and better. However the
systemd-openrc choice is something that needs to be explained early in the
handbook from a neutral prospective. Let's face it, lots of folks become
interested in Gentoo,
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:17:56 +0100, Mick wrote:
Which clearly says ccache not found. That implies you have added
ccache to FEATURES but not installed the ccache package. I know, I
did the same thing last week.
Probably O/T but why do you need ccache, unless you are rebuilding
packages
Am 06.08.2015 um 18:59 schrieb Jc García:
OpenRC is there on the stage3, systemd isn't, if you don't think about
systemd you get an OpenRC installation, I think it would confuse more
people to talk about choosing init system(especially noobs) right at
the beginning of the handbook.
To get a
On Thursday, August 06, 2015 02:59:09 PM Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Much of what makes
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 22:47:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent
years so that
Am Wed, 5 Aug 2015 23:02:03 -0600
schrieb Jc García jyo.gar...@gmail.com:
[...]
Also sourceforge is a pretty decent host for publishing open source
software, it offers wikis, mailing list, code repositories, in fact
various projects use it to develop open source, you might be talking
about
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:59:44 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
1-Distrowatch is what lead me to believe I could do something I wished
to do.
Is it DistroWatch that led you to believe that what you wanted wasn't
the default to start with?
e.g.
Jc García composed on 2015-08-05 23:57 (UTC-0600):
Felix Miata composed:
Are you sure you read what I wrote and not what you think I wrote? Pages like
LMGTFY *leads to*, not LMGTFY. I was where that *leads to* yesterday and the
day before while progressing generally through wiki.gentoo.org
On 06/08/2015 03:27, James wrote:
OK so yes I know overlays in the wild can be disastrous.
Reading the devmanual while parsing through various ebuilds
both portage and in the wild, does make for some interesting
reading:: ymmv.
I'm not sure my overlay (kung_fu) is complete.
'layman -L'
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:51:20 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I'm sure plenty have found that to be the case. My problem is inability
to connect the dots between the 12.1 column on
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo and the
instructions.
That link leads to the same page as if you
On 6 August 2015 at 09:50, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/08/2015 03:27, James wrote:
OK so yes I know overlays in the wild can be disastrous.
Reading the devmanual while parsing through various ebuilds
both portage and in the wild, does make for some interesting
2015-08-06 1:40 GMT-06:00 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de:
Am Wed, 5 Aug 2015 23:02:03 -0600
schrieb Jc García jyo.gar...@gmail.com:
[...]
Also sourceforge is a pretty decent host for publishing open source
software, it offers wikis, mailing list, code repositories, in fact
various projects use
Hi,
for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The
formatting was already done by the manufacturer.
Then I screwed it up and had to do the partioning and formatting
myself again. No big deal, I thought -- and was wrong.
Yes, the thing I got could be read and written. But it was
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 17:52:28 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub
partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system?
If you use GPT on a motherboard with BIOS,
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
I booted x86_64 openSUSE 13.1 HD installation to try to begin Gentoo
installation, beginning from Unpacking the stage tarball on
Bob Wya bob.mt.wya at gmail.com writes:
I would concur with Alan.
Please do not encourage him...it like tossing peanuts at the zoo!
;-)
The zugaina site is a very valuable resource.
Yea that's the collective (googling) wisdom:: zugaina.
I happen to have an overlay in
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 15:51:06 +0100, Bob Wya wrote:
I happen to have an overlay in Layman and I have contacted Ycarus (who
runs the zugaina site) when
one of my packages wasn't sync'd with Layman. Apparently his site pulls
in the overlays on an automated basis
(cron job style). It is pretty
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