The values of ../by-uuid/ would probably be
equally good, but I don't know how to find them any more than I know how to
find the serials...
I use my own automounter scripts and udev with nice static mountpoints
from when udisks threw lots away for a while in favour of multiseat. A
recurring
I can send you the source code if you want. Likewise to any other
interested reader
Send to me please, Thanks
--
___
'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to
I don't think that's right. I have a Pandaboard ES with a dual-core 1.2Ghz
CPU and 1GB RAM and I bet it would run Gnome just fine. Again, maybe
you're referring to something here that I'm not familiar with.
I think the key word was micro, but is that off topic (ignoring
subject)?
Many (such
Doesn't a good cloud server also have potentially higher availability
compared to dedicated?
Perhaps at your price point through redundancy which could be applied
to dedicated all be it at higher cost and so potentially still more
reliable and certainly more secure and also tested in almost any
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:53:35 -0800
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess the other question that's lurking here for me is why do you
have /usr on a separate partition? What's the usage model that drives
a person to do that? The most I've ever done is move /usr/portage and
/usr/src
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:18:25 +0100
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
It should be moving in the other direction for stability reasons and
busybox is no full answer.
On OpenBSD which has the benefit of userland being part of it. All
the critical single user binaries
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:32:24 +0200
nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote:
My thanks, too! There's nothing like reading on some actual experience
with this. So this was once the reason to keep / separate. Not that
important anymore (but this is still no excuse to force people to keep
So, since I have /usr separate from the rest, I could mount it read only
and reduce the chance of corruption if say my UPS failed? I already do
this for /boot. Interesting. Very interesting indeed.
If the other issues happen, computers is likely the least of our
problems. ;-)
Or if
Thankfully, I've never had to
maintain systems whose disks were small and low performing enough that
it actually mattered to separate / from /usr.
So you don't understand it much at all. Actually many of lennarts pages
such as his security.html are full of wildly incorrect claims and
Surely not libs, those go
in /usr/lib or /lib. If it's variable data somehow related to libs
then someone needs to look up lib in a dictionary.
I have to say I was shocked a while back when I found /usr/bin/firefox
linking to a shell script at /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
I'd be interested if
really? once upon a time I was told mounting / ro and /usr rw was a GOOD
THING
to do. I ignored that the same way I ignore it the other way round. With bind
mounting and stuff, you can make single directories rw.. so what is the
matter?
Ignorance is bliss, so good for you.
Only as root
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:42 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
with redhat's push to move everything into /usr - why not stop right there
and
move everything back into /?
I originally thought this way, but they actually reviewed the
technical and historical
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:46:33 +0800
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
A concensus would be good. A right consensus is more likely to get a
consensus. This has no bearing on the matters at hand.
/usr as the default prefix for installed packages is the consensus
of the vast
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:09:50 +
Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I certainly don't expect linux to solve these management problems,
quite the opposite in fact but I can hope.
I hope mentioning OpenBSD won't put anyone off but taking a leap out of
their book I feel could really
It was in fact a weirdo corner case
since day 1.
Right, a weirdo corner case that is part of best practice and the
default suggestion on debian stable used on many many servers and for
good reason.
--
___
'Write programs
Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on
inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there
is only the system, and it is an atomic unit.
You should really read the thread before posting.
--
You are only considering the case of /usr being on a plain hard disk
partition, what if it in on an LVM volume, or encrypted (or both)
of mounted over the network? All of these require something to be
run before they can be mounted, and if that cannot be run until udev
has started, we
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 02:01:13 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
To the OP of this OT sub-thread. The main difference for me is OpenRC
removes some of the symlink mess and uncertainty compared to for
example debians init. I very much like OpenRC but my fav is still
OpenBSD that
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:09:49 +0800
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
Not all the proposed changes are bad ... a read only /usr would be
nice, but I object to being forced into what I regard as an unreliable
configuration (or use unreliable, crappy software, eg pulse audio!)
because
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:56:38 -0500
Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote:
It would still be a (notable, at that) drop
in size if the shell script was redone to provide exactly the same set
of features, then compared, but that size difference wouldn't have the
same shock value as the
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 00:01:58 +0800
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
Nobody's telling you _your_ system, as in the collection of programs
you use for your productivity, is broken. What we're saying is that
_the_ system, as in the general practice as compared to the
specification, is
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:01:17 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
And, what community is being divided? Fedora,OpenSuse, and Arch use
systemd by default.
From debian and hurd to slackware which will not touch systemd ever and
ubuntu and also embedded with the kernel working on
Again you don't break the spec unless you have to and you don't change
the spec unless it is an improvement or you have no choice. Non of
which is the case. Just like you do not mould a mail RFC to a
widely used technically inferior hotmail implementation.
He's like DJB on crack.
Except DJB
* Finally, and what I think is the most fundamental difference between
systemd and almost any other init system: The service unit files in
systemd are *declarative*; you tell the daemon *what* to do, not *how*
to do it. If the service files are shell scripts (like in
OpenRC/SysV), everything
Should perl be in / or /usr?
Now that is a good question, if only because Perl traditionally _loathes_
being in /bin, for its own philosophical reasons.
Now, as a practical matter? WTF are the scripts written in Perl? Or in
anything other than sh? If they're intended for emergency
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
whatever filesystem type
it is.
Following this, for any distro to correctly FHS, there needs to be a
package manager switch to copy arbitrary packages (and dependent
libraries) from /usr to /. As of yet not
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
In SysV, I can *write* the daemon in the init script.
In *that* sense, the init system tells the daemon how to do things,
Please explain, sure there is the environment that tells a daemon what
to do. No shell can
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:14:46 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick
ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:38:15 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
In SysV, I can *write* the daemon in the init
The latest FHS dates from 2004, the same year as the *earliest* FUSE release
I
can see on the FUSE web site. I'd say a good working hypothesis is that FHS
was simply written *before* any user-space file systems were more than an
experimental oddity.
IF the system's /home directory
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:19:44 +0800
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd certainly be happy fixing FHS to say that tools for mounting
and recovering essential system partitions be located in /, and
that these essential system partitions contain the tools for
mounting and
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:06:00 +0800
kwk...@hkbn.net wrote:
That already has a de-facto answer; USE=suid must be on by default
as without it users cannot run a desktop (xorg-server does not yet
run without root permissions)
I use some hackery to run startx on some systems as a normal user
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:35:52 -0200
Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com wrote:
If my colleagues would at least be kind enough to have OpenOffice
installed on their machines also...
Will they let you boot a usb?
On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:16:25 -0200
Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think so. Most of them are very basic level users, and they
just have to have the same software, and it's gotta be from M$ -
nothing out of main stream.
But what is your point?
Boot an OS with office that
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:09:27 +0100
Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I
tried it, but then that was some time ago.
Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on
the mouse? I much prefer to
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:24:13 +
I wrote:
it's very
few tabs
If tabs are the irritation to scroll open mail, try three column view to
reduce the likelihood or small screen view which only needs arrows enter
and escape.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 12:18:45 -0500
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday 04 Jan 2013 12:45:01 Robert David wrote:
Hi all,
anyone have problem with firefox and selfsigned ssl? I tryed
firefox and
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 13:52:29 -0600
Dustin C. Hatch admiraln...@gmail.com wrote:
You'll probably want to do this in single user mode (i.e.
`rc single`), so running programs don't crash suddenly. A reboot
afterward is probably a good idea as well.
I'm interested in what may crash, do you mean
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 18:22:37 -0500
Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
I have never personally run into any case
where I had a single /+/usr and regretted it, but I *have* encountered
situations where I could not get /usr mounted and ended up merging it
with /. FWIW, YMMV, etc.
And why
**
I have a very severe problem after a recent disk replacement. After a few
days running, all new processes just hang. The kernel reports:
My guess is disk failing or kernel bug. Install smartmontools and see if
smartctl -H devicename returns anything interesting.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:46:29 +0700
Robin Atwood robin.atw...@attglobal.net wrote:
Thanks for the tips, now I can get more output to tty1 if I want. I
still can't get any systemd messages to syslog-ng, however. A bit of
a mystery.
This may be way off as I expect systemd to never shape up to a
If all else fails, maybe it is dead.
Yeah no beep equals cpu | ram | mb
Check
if pin 1 on the cpu is in the right place and cpu power cables right
and no bent pins.
The cpu and ram are compatible with the mb.
Hoover the ram slot and reseat
If your second mb works you could try the cpu and
I have had systems in the past who refused to boot because the
motherboard time was off, and at first it looked like that was the
problem again.
OpenBSD takes the time from the filesystem in that case and boots. I
wish linux did. I had a mate who used to ring me up everytime his mother
in law
So it is Linux' fault, that your mate used crap Hardware? That is great!
let us blame it for the weather too. And stubbed toes.
Well the point was that if OpenBSD had an auto update function I could
have installed that and he would still be using OpenBSD happily. If
Linux did what OpenBSD does
Overheating problem? Considering it's about a Pentium 4, that seems a likely
cause.
Which P4 i has not so probs. The probs come with Atom.
Older systems used to reset on overheat so it was obviously hardware.
Newer cpus actually halt and then continue operation. Most of the time
you
Anything newer is a vast improvement, especially Core2 and newer.
As long as you ignore the unfixable security issues even by microcode of
core2 duos ;-).
--
___
'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write
And, BTW, I didn't mean behind in the sense that Gentoo doesn't
support systemd; I meant behind in the sense that us systemd users
get a lot flak just by mention it in the list.
And that's exactly why I see Gentoo as being ahead and actually your
talking about a few of the IMO more moronic
So anyway, my memory of this is all very wishy-washy, but ebtables
turned out to be the best way to implement those inter-VM restrictions.
It could probably have been done in iptables, but ebtables made it easy
to say don't let these two talk.
I don;t know the details but I expect that would
I'm happy to be shown to be wrong and to be shown where Gnome3 has merit
for being itself, where it can proudly stand on it's own. But I'm just
not seeing it yet
I thought the following brilliant feature was obvious?
So your Gran has absolutely no chance of finding the power off button
so
I'd still really like someone who groks what Gnome3 is all about to fill
in these blanks in my understanding with truthiness ;-)
Apparently the main drive is to have a brand, so a constant and so
simple look is recognised as a Gnome/? machine. A bit pointless if
no-one uses it or changes to
Do Gnome devs know how to spell fork?
I think not they have an accent and keep saying
'pass me the fork an knife'
Puzzled why they only got a knife they just get their heads down and
start cutting away due to the funny look from the passer.
--
If you can't find the power off button in a modern GNOME installation
you have to be quite blind... of course, I don't even use it when I
have it, powering off from the console and all.
I guess you haven't seen the mountains of users who didn't consider
holding ALT to change the suspend option
Probably the safest thing you can do
I use install scripts and so can have two system copies in tandem easily
(aided by OpenBSD being simply brilliant with 0 kernel updates) and
test out any procedure for a remote server locally with a VM before
doing anything.
--
1. The craziness of trying to conserve IPv4 space
2. NAT. Finally, a good solid techical reason to make NAT just go away
and stay away. Permanently. Forever.
It's a great shame that isn't all it fixed (ipv5), then your job
wouldn't have been so hard and there wouldn't be any reason for many of
I can probably dump a lot of apache config. I still need SSL on both
servers even though only nginx faces the user?
Perhaps you need Apache for certain pages otherwise this is simply a
quick fix which is fair enough, we always like those at times but it
sounds to me like you could have gained
1. The craziness of trying to conserve IPv4 space
2. NAT. Finally, a good solid techical reason to make NAT just go away
and stay away. Permanently. Forever.
It's a great shame that isn't all it fixed (ipv5), then your job
wouldn't have been so hard and there wouldn't be any reason
What would have been best, could have been done years ago and not cost
lots of money and even more in security breaches and what I meant by
ipv5 and would still be better to switch to even today with everyone
being happy to switch to it is simply ipv4 with more bits for address
space.
Unfortunately, your logic is flawed.
Where would you put the additional bits of address?
That would involve rewriting the IP Header.
Your assumption that I do not know that is flawed. I did a review of
ipv6 before it was released and determined ipv4 to be superior then.
That was before I
There is no reason to believe that IPv6 will result in an increased use
of IPsec.
Bull. The biggest barrier to IPsec use has been NAT! If an intermediate
router has to rewrite the packet to change the apparent source and/or
destination addresses, then the cryptographic signature will show
Lookup ipvshit
I'll give you a hint.
The guy who wrote most of the pf firewall that MAC OSX now uses as well
as QNX, the latest version originating from OpenBSD and being far better
than iptables has bought up lots of ipv4 just to stay away from ipvshit.
Tried searching
Don't waste time and effort on it. Put your
effort into pounding away on a simple issue that people do understand...
we're running out of IP addresses.
We have run out of unallocated ones, there are still loads of unused
ones and even more due to global NAT, and even some being released.
It
On 03/09/2013 07:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
There is no reason to believe that IPv6 will result in an
increased use of IPsec.
Bull. The biggest barrier to IPsec use has been NAT! If an
intermediate router has to rewrite the packet to change the
apparent source and/or destination
No, there was simply no useful result that came up. Incidentally, both
links you provide *did* come up...but I dismissed them because I
couldn't imagine anyone using them as a reference except in trying to
deride Henning Brauer.
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=129666298029771w=2
NAT behind a home router is bad, too. For IPv4, it's only necessary
because there aren't enough IPv4 addresses to let everyone have a unique
one.
The best real reason for moving to IPV6 is address space (or lack
thereof, in the case of IPV4). The people who are truly interested
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:29:38 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
We should be pounding away on the fact that we're running out of
IP
addresses... period... end of story. If people ask about NAT,
then mention that the undersupply will be so bad that even NAT
won't
I didn't miss anything. I get what some are saying. The reason for my
question is this. Gentoo allows a person to customize the OS to the
specific hardware it is being run on. Redhat and other binary distros
don't allow this, unless you compile your own packages which is no
longer
From the headers of his email:
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros
References: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com
In-Reply-To: 51418728.7020...@gmail.com
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
It's perfectly
Is that partition mounted with noexec option? or user option
without explicit exec option?
problem solved :)
You know you can bind mount just the directories you want with exec but
as interpreters don't check this mount option, it's not as effective as
it could be ;-(
--
sublimetext is nice, not OSS though
Netbeans is quite useful for html5. Also chrome and firefox have good
developer options so you can try changes and see them without a refresh.
When I load my pages in a browser they are fine but in every WYSIWYG
editor I have tried they are desimated to
On 15 March 2013, at 17:32, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
If you use the Gentoo hardened Tinfoil Linux you will need lots of ram
and wait ages to boot but firefox will just pop up.
I'm sorry, I don't understand this statement. Could you possibly explain,
please?
It's one of Blueness
Wait, K9 Mail doesn't have a plain text option?
Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, as I am also unable to comprehend why K9
might enforce top-posting on replies.
K9 Mail can do both plain text and bottom posting.
Both set in Account settings/Sending mail.
It can write but forces
forced to send email with
HTML, intimating that this means they'll send exploit-laden messages to
their recipients.
I am not.
On 03/18/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
It can write but forces html onto users,
You seem to miss some of the details. I'll find time to respond on ipv6
too
It's one of Blueness projects based on Hardened Gentoo. It loads into
ram at boot (you need something like 4 gig of ram) which takes ages
from dvd but could be from an ssd/hdd (defeating half the point
without a ro switch though). It can update from the net once booted too.
Once
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:16:52 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/18/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
It can write but forces html onto users,
You seem to miss some of the details.
About that. See the attachment. It's a screenshot of the setting in
K-9 where
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:28:04 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
Even though it is from a DVD it can be updated just like standard
linux. The problem is, if you run out of ram then things get killed.
(Frankly, this sounds quite nice for kiosk environments.)
Could be
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:38:11 +
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
K9 Mail can do both plain text and bottom posting.
Both set in Account settings/Sending mail.
It can write but forces html onto users, which potentially includes
jpg exploits, png exploits, html exploits,
If you're going to call me out for ignoring things, missing things or
simply not knowing things, please highlight what it is. the quote
isn't very enlightening in this context. You have a nasty habit of
referencing things without inlining them or referencing them directly,
and this has
Either you ignored what I said about being able to disable loading
remote content and being able to disable showing inline rich content, or
you're seriously concerned about HTML parser vulnerabilities.
You can't disable incoming rich content (which is the important one)
like jpg logos on
We discussed using a simple RC timer to cut power to the device after a
certain amount of uptime, but if I pointed out that if we were spend the
time going to that trouble, we may as well go whole-hog and add built-in
encryption and make money off the thing.
I think the grab-data-and-eject
If you don't need user session monitoring for anything (which is what
ConsoleKit and logind provides), nor interactive privilege granting
(which is what polkit provides), then I believe you will have no
Thanks. Now *that* is what I call explaining something in a nutshell :-)
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:54:23 +0200
nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno Silva) wrote:
A good overview though I don't agree with If you don't 'need'
Did your desktop really fail to run at all?
I don't need any of this u* or other things for my desktop computer to
work. Maybe this is related to
From a technical point of view (the quality of the code and the time
it takes to fix bugs), I believe everyone (even Lennart's most fervent
detractors) will agree that systemd is a superb piece of software. The
problem is the philosophy behind it; if you agree with said
philosophy, systemd is
On 27/03/13 at 11:27am, »Q« wrote:
Eventually, as I understand it, GNOME and KDE will require systemd
because they want full control of they system. For people not using
GNOME or KDE, other init systems will still be possible, with either
udev or a udev alternative. I have no idea how
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:12:04 +0100
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello,
i am using pdns recursor to provide a dns server which should be
usable for everybody.The problem is, that the server seems to be
used in dns amplification attacks.
I googled around on how
listened to the dangers and even now simply redesigned DNSSEC.
Or they could fudge it by making every request requiring padding larger
than the response. Bandwidth would increase astronomically but amp
attacks would have to find other avenues.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:04:25 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
listened to the dangers and even now simply redesigned DNSSEC.
Or they could fudge it by making every request requiring padding
larger than the response. Bandwidth would increase astronomically
but amp
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:06:16 +0100
Norman Rieß nor...@smash-net.org wrote:
As we all know everything works better and cheaper when things are
privatized
Actually No it's not so simple at all.
You get incompetence in private and public and you may be more likely
to get away with it for longer
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:53:29 +0100
Rene Rasmussen gen...@paranoidix.dk wrote:
There is also the possibility to use opendns.com
I've been using them for years, and have not had any trouble. I
started using them when my ISP decided to block some sites. And their
standard service is free :)
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:48:19 + (UTC)
Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote:
instead of pushing a completely
different (and possibly less reliable) naming scheme by default.
Whilst I wouldn't want them changing on me (though if your physically
changing the pci slot then you
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:55:00 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
What about USB network adaptors? A user may not even realise they
plugged it into a different USB slot from last time, yet the device
name changes.
Fair point but wouldn't that be only if you plug in two of the same
On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:12:17 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
I still don't understand what's so bad with MAC-based
identification? I mean, uniqueness defined through MAC Address
identity, the system name is just a label...
MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 03:33:17 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
But somebody had to blow it up. And even more people jumped on it.
Boohoo.
So the next time you start insulting people, base your findings on
more than a blog written by those guys who have an
...
(i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What
does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary
layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel.
If you don't understand the term sound server you probably
shouldn't be using Gentoo.
When
I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons.
Name one.
fat, slow and buggy. Do you need more? If I really had an application
that I must use and is windows only - I would install windows. That
is a lot quicker and less painful than that wine crapfest shitting
all over the place.
I
Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike
udev...)
Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo
users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough
to be
Another question. Can the installation of PulseAudio and Jack
coexist? Doable or a constant nightmare?
There seems to be a a package to allow pulse to utilise jack. However
if you are using jack for the high quality audio benefit then
apparently you have to kill pulseaudio even if it means
I suggested he use Gentoo but I think he saw it as too much work.
(comment for me?)
All I use is gentoo or embedded (state machines) on embeddded hardware. My
target is jack on embedded gentoo, but, I've run into resource limitations,
so I'm waiting on my new Arm15 dev board in May.
Just throwing out there that users can or atleast could use alsa
plugs to have multiple applications. I did that before pulseaudio
came along to play nfs carbon under cedega and listen to music.
It should be noted that ALSA users can have multiple applications by
doing absolutely
Therefore Ext2 is a perfect match:
* it is so old, that I guess by now most bugs have been found and
squashed;
* it is so old, that virtually any Linux (or Windows, FreeBSD, or
most other knows OS's) are able to at least read it;
* it is so old, that by now I bet there are
Am 23.04.2013 22:59, schrieb William Hubbs:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike
udev...)
Of course from many threads
So are you saying plugs are no longer required or that they are only
needed for certain apps that take over the audio device.
I don't even know exactly what ALSA plugs are, and ALSA has worked
perfectly for all these years, so yeah, whatever an ALSA plug is, either
it is not required
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