Re: [gentoo-user] Strange mplayer symbols on a terminal
On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Strange mplayer symbols on a terminal': On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 08:05:16PM +0100, Mick wrote: When I launch mplayer from aterm I get this type of symbols on my terminal: I get them too, and have always chalked it up to some locale problem not worth solving. I just ran it with stdout redirected to a temp file which I attach here. The attached file looks fine to me: MPlayer SVN-r24130 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz (Family: 15, Model: 2, Stepping: 9) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 Компилиран за x86 процесори с разширения: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2 Възпроизвеждане на u-flatworld/fLnCDTWB2S0.flv. libavformat формат. [lavf] Video stream found, -vid 0 [lavf] Audio stream found, -aid 1 VIDEO: [FLV1] 320x240 0bpp 15.000 fps0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) [gl] using extended formats. Use -vo gl:nomanyfmts if playback fails. == Отваряне на видео декодер: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffflv] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg Flash video) == == Отваряне на аудио декодер: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3 AUDIO: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 8.0 kbit/1.13% (ratio: 1000-88200) Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3) == AO: [oss] 22050Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Започва възпроизвеждането... VDec: заявка на vo config - 320 x 240 (preferred csp: Planar YV12) Не е открит подходящ цветови формат - повторен опит с -vf scale... Отваряне на видео филтър: [scale] VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0) Не са дефинирани пропорции - без предварително мащабиране. [swscaler @ 0x87d2698]SwScaler: using unscaled yuv420p - rgb32 special converter VO: [ggi] 320x240 = 320x240 BGRA [ggi] input: 320x240x32, output: 1408x1050x32 Излизане от програмата... (Изход) It is in a foreign language, though. Something with a Cyrillic script that I do not read. I'm not sure how mplayer has decided you want that language. Could you post the output of: env | grep -E '^L(C_|ANG)' so I can see the environment variables that affect gettext and POSIX message catalogs? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange mplayer symbols on a terminal
On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Strange mplayer symbols on a terminal': On Wednesday 19 September 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Strange mplayer symbols on a terminal': On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 08:05:16PM +0100, Mick wrote: When I launch mplayer from aterm I get this type of symbols on my terminal: I get them too. I just ran it with stdout redirected to a temp file which I attach here. The attached file looks fine to me. It is in a foreign language, though. I'm not sure how mplayer has decided you want that language. Could you post the output of: env | grep -E '^L(C_|ANG)' I assume that you refer to felix's attachment, rather than my terminal output. Yes. $ env | grep -E '^L(C_|ANG)' $ Hrm, in that case applications are supposed to fall back to the C locale, IIRC. However, it's possible that mplayer is trying to guess your language and getting it wrong. Try doing: LANG=en_US; export LANG before your mplayer command and see if that helps. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] SSH won't restart
On Tuesday 11 September 2007, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] SSH won't restart': How does my host get root access like that? Physical access to the box = root in many cases. Also, if it's some vserver type setup, root on the host can get root access on the guest machines. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Monday 27 August 2007, Shaochun Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!': Can you imagine what makes a software consumes five hundrend Megabits of memory? 1. Unused memory is wasted. 2. 64MiB ( 512Mb) is not that much in the modern era. Or did you mean 500MiB instead of 500Mb? Memory is generally measured in bytes, and generally uses the binary SI prefixes; bandwidth is usually the opposite (bits and decimal SI). 3. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148385 4. Have you used an application based of the Strigi indexer? That's what's going to be used for KDE 4.0, and I really haven't heard many complaints about it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!': Last time I did a file count in my home directory, it came up with 170,000 files (including sub-directories). It's a pain to keep that amount of data organised in a hierarchical filesystem. Better let the computer do the hard work. $ find /home/bss | wc -l 158254 $ du -sh /home/bss 2.6T/home/bss $ du -s /home/bss 2695039198 /home/bss Desktop search would be a useless waste of resources for me. I don't spend much time organizing files, but I do think about where to put them when I create/save them. I know where all my data is already. It might not be the right tool for you and me, but there are lots of users out there for whom it is the right thing - if it doesn't use too much of system resources. KDE4 will hopefully get it right. As long as I can turn it off, I think providing a feature many users want (3 of the 4 Linux users in my house) is a good use of developer resources. Heck, I might even like it once I try it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Steen Eugen Poulsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!': Desktop search engines is this centuries wheel invention. It's simply put a major breakthrough in how we work with our desktop. LOL Wow, I've got my dose of hype for the next month (or more). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!': Think of secretaries who aren't interested in computers but need to use them. Think of musicians who want to use computers for composing without really under them. Think of any person who just uses computers without actually knowing what a file or a directory is. Computers aren't for geeks only. Computers are tools, and thus, have some required knowledge to use them. If you don't know what a file or (directory/folder) is, you should stay away from them -- you might hurt yourself. You don't use power tools or even cars without training for the same reason. Using those search engines is like reinventing the wheel or programing embedded devices with java... ;) Or like inventing the next generation wheel. Think of people using a microwave for heating up food. They know they can do that. They don't need to know that only water, fat and sugar actually heat up in a microwave as long as they stick to food. If they start to experiment with other things ... well, they have to understand how microwaves work. I don't expect my users to be able to write a filesystem in C, design an IC, or understand the OSI 7 layer model. I do expect them to be able to use files and folders (a.k.a. directories). Especially since most office workers, and quite a few non-office workers use files and folders to mange their paperwork every day. I'm sure DSE will be a feature many users will like and probably even become dependent on. It's NOT the next generation wheel, it's not even something I'll use, but it has it's place. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] possible MBR corruption?
On Monday 27 August 2007, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] possible MBR corruption?': Alternatively, ditch a separate /boot altogether, it really isn't needed with modern hardware. Unless you want to use LVM. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestion re: expat problems
On Sunday 26 August 2007, Michael J. Barillier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Suggestion re: expat problems': I suggest that packages have optional Portage release notes, and when an `emerge --sync' is performed, any release notes of the updated packages are cat'ed together and displayed to the user (with `less' or another configured viewer). The eselect news module is supposed to handle this. IIRC, notices / news were part of GLEP 42. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] torrent issue
On Monday 20 August 2007, ionut cristian cucu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] torrent issue': i have a strange issue with torrent clients: they freeze my computer. Sometimes i just start the legal download and my computer stops responding, other times at some point while downloading. Everything else works just fine. I did a memtest nothing came out wrong. I'm using an ~amd64 box with 2.6.21-gentoo-r3. Whether I use a C or a python client it crashes my system bad(only a hard reset works), even if X is not started a console client will freeze my computer. I used torrents before and worked fine but now, well now they don't. Do you have any ideea? Check dmesg for anything related to your network (the hw specifically, but software could be at fault, too), before the crash occurs. (Even better if you sync-log it so you'll have it after the system crashes.) Assuming it's not your memory it is most likely the network card. You might want to check your memory with something other than memtest -- I know there have been some scripts posted to this list that claim to catch timing issues much better than memtest. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] torrent issue
On Monday 20 August 2007, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] torrent issue': sync-log ? Set it up to be logged synchronously (without buffering). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] no standalone jre?
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] no standalone jre?': On Sunday 19 August 2007 16:57:17 Ralf Stephan wrote: when installing jre, a full jdk is downloaded (57M). Is this a bug? I don't really recall the reason for virtual/jdk to be the default provider of virtual/jre but you can find it somewhere on bugs.gentoo.org if you care... ;) It's probably the fact that Gentoo is source-based, so java packages normally require a jdk (for javac) anyway. That said java in the browser only requires a jre, even on Gentoo. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] No title bars in gnome!
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] No title bars in gnome!': I logged into GNOME, no programs had title bars, and I couldn't Alt+TAB between them. How can I fix this? How can I even find out exactly what package is causing the problem? When I log in, I get a message - something about accessibility, but everything else seems normal except for the lack of title bars. This is usually caused by a missing/crashing/failing window manager. The default window manager in Gnome is metacity (IIRC). If you use compiz/beryl/compiz-fusion, this may be separated into a different program called the window decorator. The perferred window decorator for Gnome is heliodor (IIRC). Since your KDE window manager seems to work, you should be able to start gnome and then start: kwin --replace on the same display to get a more functional Gnome desktop. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] how to enable hard masked USE flags like (-altivec)?
On Friday 17 August 2007, Wang, Baojun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] how to enable hard masked USE flags like (-altivec)?': altivec is hard masked by x86_64(amd64), how can I enable it temporaly? Thanks! /etc/portage/profile/use.unmask, IIRC. You'll probably have to create that file, and may need to create some of the directory structure. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] pendrive mounting problem
On Wednesday 15 August 2007, Matthew R. Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] pendrive mounting problem': On Wednesday 15 August 2007 18:38, Xav' wrote: You can see here that codepage cp437, which is needed by FAT to mount your key, is not found. So you have to compile it in your kernel as module or builtin, as you wish, by activating the option under File Systems -- Native Language Support -- M Codepage 437 (United States, Canada) After recompile your kernel,reboot and enjoy mounting your key ;) As I stated in earlier posts, the NIS support is compiled into my current kernel, atleast that's what the .config states Okay, but there a over a dozen modules for specific character sets that all depend on the main nls support option. You don't seem to have the cp437 driver. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Internet bridge
On Monday 13 August 2007, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Internet bridge': On 13 August 2007, Mateus Interciso wrote: but since I really need Level 2 Routing, I can't afford doing this with nat. I beg your pardon? NATting and masquerading takes place on layer 2 (IP). Actually, NAT takes place at level 3 (IP). The levels are: 1. Physical (Cat5, Coax, Fiber, et. al.) 2. Link (Ethernet, ARP, etc.) 3. Address/Routing (IP) 4. Connection (TCP/UDP) 5. Session (Um, TLS, maybe?) 6. Presentation (Not really used at all) 7. Application (HTTP et. al.) 8. User (ID ten T errors) 9. Bureaucracy Okay, I made up 8 and 9. Oh, I might have gotten 6/7 swapped, but I don't think so. You probably don't want level 2 routing. What are you trying to do that makes you think you need it? AFAIK, this will never work. If you really need incoming connections on certain ports you can use port forwarding with NAT on your firewall. Bridging is not for this kind of thing. Yeah, port forwarding is probably what you want. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] GHC and documentation
On Tuesday 14 August 2007, Iván Pérez Domínguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] GHC and documentation': Shouldn't its documentation be included as a different package? That may be the way Debian does things, but gentoo does not split documentation, header files, or debug information into separate packages. Instead, documentation is controlled by a USE flag, header files are always installed, and debug information is controlled by FEATURES. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Receiving your own emails
On Tuesday 14 August 2007, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] OT: Receiving your own emails': Is Gmail filtering these messages or what's going on? They are received, and I think they are even stored but, gmail doesn't show your own mails to you by default. I'm not sure how to change that. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] CXXABI error after gcc upgrade
On Monday 13 August 2007, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] CXXABI error after gcc upgrade': # emerge -C -p -v gcc Wrong-ish command line. Try emerge -aP gcc -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Set up drupal with postgres
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about '[gentoo-user] Set up drupal with postgres':
USE mysql;
\c postgres
INSERT INTO user (host, user, password, select_priv, insert_priv,
update_priv) VALUES ('localhost', 'drupal', PASSWORD('passwd'), 'Y',
'Y', 'Y');
CREATE USER 'drupal';
CREATE database drupal;
(unchanged)
USE drupal;
\c drupal
GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON drupal.* TO drupal@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'passwd';
Probably easiest to just make the drupal user the owner of the drupal
database.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Set up drupal with postgres
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Set up drupal with postgres': On Thursday 09 August 2007 20:29, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Thursday 09 August 2007, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON drupal.* TO drupal@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'passwd'; Probably easiest to just make the drupal user the owner of the drupal database. Thank you Boyd! I'll try this out - although it seems that the default script already created a drupal database owned by postgres. :@ You can do something like: CREATE DATABASE 'drupal' WITH OWNER 'drupal'; a) how do you create different vhosts (I only have localhost under /var/www/locahost/). All of this a apache (or other httpd) configuration, you should be able to pattern your vhost(s) off of the default one installed by the package. b) how do you run/access drupal (the drupal files seem to be under /usr/share/webapps/drupal/5.2/htdocs). man webapp-config -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Unknown Tool hd
On Monday 06 August 2007 02:13:58 pm Linux wrote: I have a problem with a script refering to several tools, one is hd hd is the short name for hexdump. (When hexdump is invoked as hd, it assumes certain options.) Gentoo's hexdump package does not provide the short name, but you can make a sym or hardlink after installing that package. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpQpQ1UVB2Kg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] rescrict command to certain dirs
On Thursday 02 August 2007 08:54:21 am Martin Gysel wrote: I have a webserver running for multiple 'endusers'. No I want to give some costumers access to certain files as user WEBSERVER for easy editing configuration file owned by the webserver. it should do something like jail the user to /var/www/vhosts/DOMAIN/httpdocs/DIRtoFILES and let him perform some commands (rm, less, nano, etc) there as user WEBSERVER. As long as WEBSERVER isn't root, you should be able to use a combination of sudo/su and chroot. There are some ways to escape a chroot, but I *think* they all depend on being root inside the chroot, or exploiting other service running outside the chroot. (E.g. if connections from localhost are trusted.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpOJywobtH7X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] distcc with other distro (Debian)
On Friday 03 August 2007 01:34:37 am Ric de France wrote: There may be a gotcha of glibc (or other) incompatibilities / inconsistencies between Gentoo and Debian, but I'm sure others on this list can advise you better. distcc only farms out the actual compiling. Pre-processing is done locally, so it uses your local header files. Linking is also done locally, so it will use your local libraries. [1] That said, if you have incompatible compilers (e.g. gcc-3.3 vs. gcc-3.4) you may have issues, and they may or may not be caught at link time. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ [1] distcc tries to be smart when passed a command-line that would do both compiling and (pre-processing or linking), but when it can't separate the stages, it will end up using your local compiler. pgpjHFBj0tQZO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks to the user community
On Monday 30 July 2007 12:25:47 am Iain Buchanan wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-29 at 23:43 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Sunday 29 July 2007 11:06:44 pm Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 08:13 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: But seriously, shouldn't we be waiting until November to say this? ;-) why, what happens in November? In the U.S., Thanksgiving. ahh. cheekAnd you can't be thankful except at thanksgiving?/cheek Are you suggesting undermining a great Amurican Holly-Day? Why do you hate freedom? ;) politics, n.: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. -- Ambrose Bierce :) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpcJnW6TpRCi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] insert text onto a PDF
On Monday 30 July 2007 04:49:47 am Pavel Sanda wrote: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge pdfedit OP, Please don't do this or your next emerge world will be (more) painful. You may also end up getting more unstable packages than you absolutely need. Pavel, please don't suggest this is a sane way to run emerge in the future. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpfGZR9q7Hq6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] program autostart from another user
On Monday 30 July 2007 03:29:36 am Aleksey V. Kunitskiy wrote: I want to auto start some programs on startup, using init My local.start looks like: sudo -u user_name screen program My question is - is it the right way? You don't have to use screen, but that should work. How can I attach next program to existing screen session (by creating new buffer in screen session)? Reading over the manpage, something like this (but sudo -ud) should work: # Create a new screen session, detached, with name screen -d -m -S system-autostart-foo # In a named window in that session, run bar screen -S system-autostart-foo -X at cmd-bar# bar # In a named window in that session, run baz screen -S system-autostart-foo -X at cmd-baz# baz But, I've never tried to use screen in this way, no this is just a guess. I'm sure it's possible to use screen the way you want. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpFwKiWm5eij.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: reiserfsprogs
On Monday 30 July 2007, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: reiserfsprogs': On 7/30/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5) If (2) indicates corruptions that can only be corrected by --rebuild-tree b) Begin praying. This guy knows his stuff. Last time I used reiser I didn't pray enough to keep it going All joking aside, I've recovered reiserfs much more often than I've gotten anything useful out of a bad ext2/3 filesystem. You have to know it's limitations, but I've had a growing reiserfs file system for over two years now that I've had to --rebuild-tree on at least 3 times and never lost a drop of data. My ext2/3 boot patition has died a similar number of times, and no amount of e2fsck gave me any data back (but luckily, /boot is fairly easy to rebuild). I swear *by* reiser much more often than I swear *at* reiser, but I've done both. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: reiserfsprogs
On Monday 30 July 2007, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: reiserfsprogs': Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: Neil wrote: If all else fails, and provided you have enabled CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ in your kernel, hold down Alt and SysReq/PrtScr and press S, U and B in turn to reboot (reasonably) cleanly. Pausing a couple of seconds between each key is probably a good idea. Interesting idea however this laptop does not have this key SysReq/PrtScr. Every keyboard has a SysRq button. On most, it is shared with PrtScrn. However, I've also seen it shared with either an F key or ScrollLock or by itself. Also, I've seen laptops where you had to hold the Fn key to get a key that acts like SysRq. I guarantee you've got one, although I suppose it might not be labeled SysRq at all. E, I, S, U, B so everything is killed, and nothing trying to write to disk, when unmounting them. Hmm, I do not think you understand, when I exit X/kde the entire system is latched up tight. None of the keys work, nothing is echoed to the screen, the system is latched up tight. Please *try* the Alt+SysRq instructions if you haven't already. Those are handled directly by the kernel at a fairly high priority. I've had everything else be ignored, including C+A+Del, and had Alt+SysRq save my filesystems. It is possible that you might not see anything happen after E, I, S, and U, especially if you were previously in X, since the kernel is trying to write to the text-mode console but things are happening unless your kernel has crashed. All other keystrokes travel to user-space to be processed, so if your kernel is busy, they won't do anything. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks to the user community
On Sunday 29 July 2007 11:06:44 pm Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 08:13 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote: But seriously, shouldn't we be waiting until November to say this? ;-) why, what happens in November? In the U.S., Thanksgiving. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpoPs3XRVRyQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Running Scripts
On Saturday 28 July 2007, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Running Scripts':
On 7/29/07, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 28 July 2007, Kent Fredric wrote:
try a plain old bash script and see if that works, and try this and
see if it works:
cat testrun.c
#include stdio.h
int main(int argc, int* argv)
{
printf(helloworld);
}
( press ctrl+d here )
make testrun
Without writing a Makefile, make won't build the program. ;-)
funny, it did for me :P
$ls -l testrun.c Makefile
ls: cannot access Makefile: No such file or directory
-rw-r--r-- 1 devious users 77 2007-07-29 00:24 testrun.c
$make testrun
cc testrun.c -o testrun
That cool, but don't count on it to work on all makes.
I'm fairly sure an empty Makefile is valid, since there already suffix
rules required by the standard -- there's just no default target. I guess
GNU make takes that to the logical conclusion and lets you run entirely
without a Makefile as long as you specify a target.
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge masked pidgin with flagedit
On Friday 27 July 2007, maximuswork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] emerge masked pidgin with flagedit': Thufir пишет: --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: net-im/pidgin-2.0.2 Aha! See there's a problem with your /etc/portage/package.keywords. localhost ~ # cat /etc/portage/package.keywords net-im/pidgin-2.0.2 ~x86 Oh, that first part is an invalid atom. The proper systax for atoms is in the ebuild manpage, IIRC. In any case, your problem is that you've specified a version, without a comparator. You probably want '~net-im/pidgin-2.0.2' instead of just 'net-im/pidgin-2.0.2'. The tilde indicates that version, or any ebuild revisions (e.g. -r1) or the same version. You could use '=' instead of tilde, if you really don't want any other ebuild revisions. ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge pidgin Um, no. Not unless the OP wants ~x86 dependencies to be brought in, and all that downgraded to x86 when they do their next emerge world. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] A Thank you to the Developers for the Free Software
On Friday 27 July 2007, Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] A Thank you to the Developers for the Free Software': I just wanted to take some time to officially say *Thank You* for all the good things which you guys/gals have made to my(/our) benefit. +1 -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Running Scripts
On Friday 27 July 2007, Greg Lindstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Running Scripts': -bash: ./hello.py: /usr/bin/env: bad interpreter: Permission denied running /usr/bin/python brings up the python shell, so that's in place. which env ls -l /usr/bin/env ls -l /usr/bin/python -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge masked pidgin with flagedit
On Friday 27 July 2007, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] emerge masked pidgin with flagedit': Didn't I do that? For some things, the equals sign doesn't seem to be required when using flagedit, for others it seems to be. Yes, because it is expecting an ebuild atom. Do man 5 ebuild and read the section on 'DEPEND Atoms', they have a simple but precise syntax. BTW, if the wiki is broken, just fix it. I'm not sure it's an official source of documentation anyway. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] The Future of the Gentoo Foundation
On Friday 27 July 2007, Dan Cowsill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] The Future of the Gentoo Foundation': Then the idea that the Gentoo Foundation might 'cease to exist as an entity' isn't really bad news? It's bad news, but not as bad as you think. Some clarification might be in order. The foundation serves an a single legal entity that can do and own things on behalf of Gentoo. However, before the foundation things were done and owned by the volunteers that make up Gentoo. This is not ideal, which is why the foundation was created, but Gentoo could certainly run like that again until the foundation could be reformed under management that knows how to file paperwork. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Notebook/laptop recommendations?
On Sunday 22 July 2007, Crayon Shin Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Notebook/laptop recommendations?': I'm looking for a new notebook (to run Gentoo of course). I don't want the latest nor the best (too expensive), but it needs to have Core 2 Duo. Are there any particular manufacturers/models where it just works in terms of driver support? 2 items that I would like for it to just work with the minimum of fuss are the wlan and the hibernation. So anything I should look out for or avoid, to make installing Gentoo as painless as possible? I've had very good luck with my dellbuntu system. System 76 also goes out of the way to make sure their hardware is linux friendly. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4.2 and Core 2 Duo
On Friday 20 July 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4.2 and Core 2 Duo': If they have the same value, or -march is listed after -mtune, yes. -march implies -mtune, but you might do something like -march=686 -mtune=native -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Thursday 19 July 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': -Original Message- From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't like the GPLv3, you probably didn't *really* like the GPLv2 and might be more interested in licensing anything you contribute under something like MIT/X11/BSD. Those licenses allow others to take your code, cripple it, and sell it to you (perhaps even on a device) for $100. Oh, and offer you an upgrade to (_the same device_ running) your original code (which still has a few bugs, you might want a support contract) for $1. I can't agree with your statements here. Unless you have no understanding of copyright law, you should realize that YOUR code cannot be crippled regardless of the license that you put it under. Not true. Say you release code into the public domain [1]. Now, evil corporation X takes that code, strips out some features, sign it and put it on a cell phone. They sell you the phone for $300 (free with 2 year contract) or a version with your original software on it (the exact same hardware) for $600 (no discount available). They pull a TiVo can ensure that you can't load modified software on it -- or you can but then the phone refuses to do anything put print This phone needs service. Please take this phone to your local retailer for service. They don't even tell you it's your code -- someone in Turkey found that out and emailed you in broken English. ;) Your code is locked up and you can no longer upgrade it (or even use ALL of the features that YOU wrote) without paying $$$. Sure, you can still upgrade and release your code, but you can't run it on a device YOU PAID for that is ALREADY running YOUR code, UNMODIFIED. You also can't help other people using these phones that THEY paid for, even though your code runs unmodified. The GPL has always been engineered to prevent this behavior. The GPLv1 and GPLv2 both concentrated on the way to prevent this through copyright law. However, this has proven to be not enough. After bring cases to count (and settling because the case was so clear-cut) multiple times, it became fairly clear to all parties that GPLv2 was overly difficult, if not impossible, to be simply attacking with copyright law. So, entities that would rather not contribute, have attacked with technological and patent-law methods to restrict users' freedoms and the GPLv3 meets those attacks head on. I hope RMS and the FSF will act even more quickly (either with aggressive litigation or further license revisions) to future attacks on the freedoms that are meant to be preserved throughout the Free Software ecosystem. The code that YOU write and release under an Open Source or Free Software license will still be available under that license even after someone else uses it in a project of their own. Yes. If you use a license that allows for relicensing or closing of the code and someone does so, then it only effects THEIR Version of the code. Yours is still intact, and unharmed. With the BSD lincese and public domain, we get into case case where the freedom of the code depends on where you take the measurement (see above). RMS witnessed such things happening and preventing the free code from always free. Thus, he wrote the GPLv1 with the goal of making sure Free Software was free everywhere and to everyone. The MIT/BSD/etc licenses have the advantage that a person can if they so desire CHOOSE whether or not they wish to make THEIR code and modifications available. This is a choice. They ALSO get to choose whether they give their users your code and can even prevent users from knowing what code they are running, especially if your are prolific. The GPL also covers (read: places restrictions on) derivative works, something that is your right as a copyright holder. BSD/MIT/X11 don't, and LGPL makes only minimal requirements on derivative works to ensure the original work remains free. Many of us WILL release our own code even under those terms, but it is a choice to do so. I am not saying that the idea of GPL is wrong. Different developers have different desires for their code. I am simply saying that the Open Source route is just as valid as the Free Software route. But the GPL has *always* been about Free Software, not just Open Source. By accepting the terms of the GPLv2, TiVo should have been prepared to honor the Free Software definition and not attempt to restrict their users' freedoms. As a user I wish *every* piece of software I received was under the terms of the GPLv3. As a developer, I understand the allure of the BSD license -- it's great to be able to grab others' stuff with a few strings attached as possible. However, since I'll always end up using more code than I write, I prefer to release under the GPLv3. As for selling it back to you. It is up to every person to take
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Thursday 19 July 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'RE: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader': I have seen many of them that the man page and the info page were identicle. More often though it looked like they made a decent man page, and coppied it to info. info automatically pulls man pages an reformats them if there not info page for that node and there exists a man page with that name. I'm fairly sure most info-viewers (including kio_info) do so. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: The TiVo thing was completely within the word and spirit of the GPL. It was *barely* within the word, and definitely not within the spirit of the GPL. Don't beleive me? Ask anyone at the FSF or RMS himself. They wrote the thing. TiVo did just that and got the A-OK signal and thumbs up from the FSF's lawyers. That's because you *could* swap out the software on early TiVos. Sometime later, someone had a hissy fit, FSF reversed their stated position and suddenly Tivo becomes spawn of satan. Because they started artificially limiting users' freedoms 0, 1, and partially 3. Tivo had no option, their content providers would never have given them a license to redistribute content without the mods they did It's not my (or my community's, or my code's) job to support your business model. If you can't play by the license, then you can't use the software. It's not the software that is crippled, it's the hardware. No, it's the software because they haven't given it all to us. For software to run on the device it was *designed* to run on it's required to be signed; therefore, the signature is part of the binary and a derivative of a GPLv2 work. That work distributed presumably under the GPLv2, which means the source (preferred format for making modifications) must be provided, and TiVo has not yet published the necessary tools for us to generate our own signatures. They are therefore limiting freedom 1, which limits freedom 0, and indirectly freedom 3, because the community cannot benefit. So, in what way have Tivo removed people's freedom as granted by the GPL? Artificially limiting freedoms 0, 1, and 3. The restriction is fundamentally different from a RAM or HD space limit; a binary that does nothing but play pong (well within the hardware capabilities of the TiVo) is still not allowed to run without the signature. Personally, I think TiVo COULD be called out for violating GPLv2, but IANAL and Eben is and declined to file suit against them. Under the GPLv3, users' freedoms are better protected, and it's quite clear that TiVo would/will be in violation of that license. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': What should I do, in your opinion? Probably LGPLv3, which will allow GPLv2 (and proprietary) projects to use it without requiring the combined work to be GPLv3. Actually, I'm probably going to take a pen to the LGPLv3 in the future and turn it into something along the lines of GPLv3 or, if your larger work is licenced under any version of the GPL, LGPLv3, but that's for the future and I'll want to run the license by the FSF first before using it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': However, this is not the point. The point is that Tivo SOLD people hardware This is the salient point for me, too. If hardware was still owned by TiVo (in reality, not just in name) I'd have no problem with them deciding what can run on it and taking steps to prevent tampering. I'm not sure Stallman would agree with me -- users may or may not own the device their software runs on, and Stallman is all about users. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': a) nobody is forced to buy a tivo. If you don't like it, don't buy it and you don't have problems. TiVo isn't forced to use GPLv3 licensed code -- if they don't use it, they don't have problems. b) AFAIR Linus owns a Tivo himself. Yes, I believe he does. c) it is morally wrong to try to dictate HARDWARE licence problems with a SOFTWARE licence There's no requirement on the hardware that runs GPLv3 software. You just have to provide the whole source (preferred format for modification) to the full binary (everything that must be in place to run the software on the device it was designed for). d) If I can't use the software freely anymore one of the key freedoms is gone. Yes, which is why the GPL v3 is necessary. This is the same stupidity like anti-terror law. Lets take away freedom and free speech to protect freedom and free speeach Except that the anti-terror laws don't protect freedom or free speech in any way, just life (and it's questionable that they do that). It's more like the laws that say you can be thrown in prison for unlawfully imprisoning others. Your freedom will be restricted (you can't use the software) if you attempt to restrict the freedoms (namely, the four freedoms) of others. e) Linus is not alone. You should read what Jesper Juhl wrote in one of the lenghty discussions on lkml. Very interessting. http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=118211628209101w=2 1) This concerns draft versions, as the final version wasn't available. 2) Mr. Juhl admits there are downsides to allowing tivoization. The question really remains -- do you want your code to be able to be locked up or not? BSD is available for those that don't care if the code is locked up. GPLv3 is available for those that want the maximum level of protection against their code (or derivatives) from being locked up. There are a quite a few other Free Software licenses between those two extremes, including GPLv2. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 06:48:38 pm Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: On 18 Jul 2007, at 18:40, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: [C]ould ANYBODY claim to be surprised by say Tivo? Yes they can, since the move to DRM/TPM/etc. devices was unannounced and a change from previous generations of the hardware. There's also the fact that the code the TiVo runs *must have a signature as one of it parts* and like any GPLv2 derivative, distributors (like TiVo) must provide the full and complete source (preferred form for modification) of all the parts, which they have not. This signature requirement is implicit in the GPLv2 and explicit in the GPLv3. So was the patent license stuff. The GPLv3 is just a stronger, more well-specified GPLv2. If you don't like the GPLv3, you probably didn't *really* like the GPLv2 and might be more interested in licensing anything you contribute under something like MIT/X11/BSD. Those licenses allow others to take your code, cripple it, and sell it to you (perhaps even on a device) for $100. Oh, and offer you an upgrade to (_the same device_ running) your original code (which still has a few bugs, you might want a support contract) for $1. Plus, people who are discussing 'ethical' problems with locked hardware tend to forget, that there is enough hardware out there that a) needs an update once in a while but b) has to be temper proof by the user! You might want to read up about clinical equipment or FCC rules. Just for fun. Actually, during the GPLv3 process, both these points (FCC and medical equipment) were brought up and experts were brought in. It was determined that there is no legal requirement to make such devices tamper-proof, if upgrades are allowed at all. Equipment distributors are already protected from lawsuits (and the like) once a device is tampered with as long as they give the tamperer sufficient warning. There is no legal reason why devices must be upgradable by their distributor but not by their owner, including devices under the auspices of the FCC or medical devices. Some people need to realize that there is a fundamental difference between code and hardware. The FSF knows there's a difference between code and hardware. However, there is no difference between code on a HD and code on an EEPROM. (It's all just readable and writable bits.) There's also no difference between code on a CD and code on a ROM chip. (It's all just reabable bits.) And telling someone what he can do with HIS hardware is just wrong. You don't like the terms of the hardware vendor? Fine. Don't buy it. But buying it and than complaining is just lame. If they sell it to me it is no longer their hardware. It's MINE. That's why DRM shouldn't be allowed AT ALL, completely independent of the software distribution requirements (not hardware requirements) that the GPLv3 specifies. If TiVo was renting (really renting, not just in name like $129 lets you rent the device for 99 years) the devices, I would probably be on the other side of this discussion. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Tuesday 17 July 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': TiVo did not allow modified, and therefore potentially Compromised, devices connect to their network. More than that -- they don't allow the compromised devices to boot. Of course, that's *required* to lay down the restrictions they want, since one the device is booted from freely modified code, there's no method of remote attestation to guarantee your aren't just pretending to be a genuine device. This does not sound like theft of code, it sounds like sound network protocol. So, sound network protocol validates the data sent, it doesn't require the other end to be arbitrarily trusted. Remember trusted is just DoD speak for allowed to violate security policy. If you wish to maintain a secure environment that is stable for thousands of users, and has a lot of money riding on it, you do not allow compromised devices to connect. It is that simple. BS. Second life allows any client to connect as long as they follow the protocol. There's a wide variety of WoW hacks that modify the running executable (a binary patch applied at runtime) that, while not allowed under the EULA, work quite well on the real servers and have not increased the number of server crashes or scheduled restarts. Securing the network is not done by securing the remote devices. (You don't need to trusted ethernet card to connect to a cisco router, or a cable modem.) It is done by validating the data sent, having a well-defined network protocol, and disconnecting clients that provide bad data. The TiVo thing was completely within the word and spirit of the GPL. It was *barely* within the word, and definitely not within the spirit of the GPL. Don't beleive me? Ask anyone at the FSF or RMS himself. They wrote the thing. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
to effectively remove users' freedoms. The GPLv3 is all about freedom -- but freedom is only realized by restricting the ability to limit freedom. (Your freedom to swing your fist ends an inch from my face.) That is why I shy away from the GPL licenses. I like the LGPLv2, but GPLv3 is kind of scary. I want code that I make free to be free. :P I don't want to say, It is free if you are a broke penniless college kid that plans to stay that way. Sounds like you want the GPL then -- since it explicitly allows commercial use as long as the four freedoms are preserved to all users. LGPLv2 allows wide use of code, without heavy demands. LGPL does do one thing that can be nice, and it prevents the viral nature of copyright law from affecting your code -- that is it allows others the freedom to license their original work under whatever license they choose (as you did), combine it with your work, and distribute the whole as long as they follow your license for your stuff. It's a very good license, and I think that it is normally the better license to choose *unless* your goal is to have all software be Free Software. If I by some miracle produce a chunk of code that propels another entity to the top of their industry, then I have achieved something Whether I get anything in return from them or not. If they are able to take what I have produced and make it useful, then more power too them. If they give back to the community in the form of code, cash, or even morale support, then that is them playing the game by our rules. Not if you follow the GPLv2 or the spirit of the GPL. That *requires* the code to remain in the community. The GPLv3 strengthens this requirement. If you want other to be able to lock away your code (or derivative works of your code) you should use the BSD license. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Monday 16 July 2007, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': On Montag, 16. Juli 2007, Jerry McBride wrote: On Monday 16 July 2007 08:15:43 am Mark Shields wrote: Personally... reading what I have about the gpl 3.0 , I'd be pretty comfortable having Gentoo/Portage moved to it. It offers a lot of protection that gpl 2. does not. Anyway, if it makes Microsoft catch up then it must be good. Actually, we should encourage commercial entities to participate the in Free Software movement, including letting them retain the ability to charge for providing software, as long as they are willing to let users of the software retain their four freedoms. Microsoft has made some movement in this direction... it takes away freedom - I am not sold to that 'must be good' aspect. Okay, this is off-topic, but it only takes away the freedom to take away users' freedoms, something the GPL has always done. BSD doesn't take away any freedoms, but I'm unconvinced that it's a good thing for Free Software to be able to be locked up. *I* think the GPLv3 is better, and that it would be good to move KDE toward GPLv3/LGPLv3 licensing. However, that is a decision that the project will have to make as a group and it would require reimplementing or relicensing all the code licensed to the under the GPLv2. That's a tough sell. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 3D Acceleration With Laptop - Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP
On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Drew Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] 3D Acceleration With Laptop - Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP': [W]hen loading the fglrx.ko module, I get an error about ...taints the kernel. Thus I suspect I have some option set in my kernel that conflicts with the fglrx module? No that just means that the binary you are running (kernel + modules) is not Free Software or, in this case, distributable at all. See http://www.kroah.com/log/images/ols_2006_keynote_12.jpg , part of http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html which is full of high level information about the kernel. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] FEATURES=test -- Should this work?
On Tuesday 26 June 2007, Mike Edenfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] FEATURES=test -- Should this work?': I recently enabled the test feature on Portage I use paludis,. which does testing by default, and I've seen a number of packages fail tests. I simply mask those specific versions. Last time I checked, bug reports coming from alternative package manager users were closed fairly quickly. Since you are using portage, your bugs may get a little more attention, but I think the general consensus is that tests aren't important so they generally get dropped to low priority, ignored until the next release, then closed with a refile if it affects the current release message. Then again, perhaps I'm just feeling a bit jaded toward the Gentoo developers this morning. grumpy/ -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Where is wxWidgets/wxPython 2.8?
On Monday 25 June 2007, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Where is wxWidgets/wxPython 2.8?': wxWidgets/wxPython 2.8 has been out for about 6 months now, but hasn't even made it into testing yet. The most recent version available in portage is 2.6.3. Is there some problem with wxWidgets/wxPython 2.8? Is there anything we users can do to help? Hrm, your message seems directed at the developers. If that's the case, you sent it to the wrong mailing list. (You want -devel, next door). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] (sin asunto)
On Monday 25 June 2007 12:48:03 Matthias Guede wrote: 2007/6/25, Roberto Bermejo Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Davi escribió: Em Segunda 25 Junho 2007 14:01, Roberto BErmejo Martinez escreveu: What stage can I use with a Intel Core 2 duo?? Intel still be 64 bits... As AMD. So, you can use AMD64 too. I probe with x86, ia64 and amd64 and already don't work. Looks like you try to install from an 32bit OS. Using the amd64 Gentoo LiveCD and the adm64 stage3 should work. If you don't want a 64-bit kernel (and therefore no 64-bit applications), you can go the 32-bit route and use the (i[[:digit:]]|x)86 liveCD and stage. I don't recommend this, but it may be preferred if you use software that is (a) non-portable (and not ported) or (b) only available in binary form (non-Free). It is possible you are running into some problem with the liveCD, but as you other messages indicate you are able to see your drives and partition them, you simply can't perform the chroot -- which should only be an issue if (a) you are using a 64-bit stage from as 32-bit liveCD or (b) the stage tarball is corrupt or broken. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] usb device mp3 playlist maker
On Monday 25 June 2007, maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] usb device mp3 playlist maker': I have a generic mp3 usb 256M player. Does anybody know of a program or script that will load it with tunes, in a random arrangement from a dir full of mp3s? Does it show up as a usb block device? If so, you can copy files however you choose. AmaroK should be able to generate a random playlist of X songs, and may be able to do one of X MiB. If not, you'll have to figure out if there's a driver for it, and see what methods are available using that driver. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Set a network quota per eth device?
On Thursday 21 June 2007 05:22:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use iptables counters and some scripting on bash. Most of the people do it by hands, because writing huge billing system is to comprehensive :) You could do it that way, but it rather silly since the kernel has all kinds of support for traffic control and shaping. Shorewall may be able to handle the task, and it is fairly friendly. If shorewall can't do what you need you'll need to look into the CLI to the kernel's traffic control/shaping/queuing tables: tc. Some examples and discussion are in the Linux Advanced Routing Traffic Control HOWTO. It's part of The Linux Documentation Project so it can be found either there [ http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ ] or at it's own little corner of the web [ http://lartc.org/ ]. It's old, but still mostly useful. I can also send you some scripts built around tc for my own little home network that *might* be useful as examples. Also, foringer: A: Because it reverses the order of the conversation. Q: Why is top-posting so annoying? A: Top-posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing on mailing list and newsgroups? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] /boot without space.
On Thursday 21 June 2007 16:11:42 Ricardo Bevilacqua wrote: I was installing a boot splash when i got this message // o Creating initramfs image.. mv: writing «/boot/fbsplash-livecd-2007.0-1024x768»: There is no space left on the device. // I was surprised so I checked the /boot partition Try using: du -xa /boot | sort -rn as root to locate the space hogs, which may be hidden files. (du does lie sometimes though, because the assumptions it makes about file size aren't always true.) You might also fire up filelight and/or the file size view of konqueror (either would also need to be as root) if you prefer a graphical view. (They will suffer from the same limitations as du, but their assumptions my be different.) Oh, I'm not sure while filesystem you are using, but reiserfs reserves some space for the block usage bitmap and misc. metadata, and that takes up a number of MB. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] where is libnetsnmp-devel? (needed for hplip)
On Thursday 21 June 2007 19:40:23 Allan Gottlieb wrote: Which package contains libnetsnmp-devel? $eix -c snmp [...] [I] net-analyzer/net-snmp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/28/2006): Software for generating and retrieving SNMP data [...] Probably that one, but that's just a guess. Gentoo doesn't separate packages into -devel versions -- you get all the development stuff as part of the base package (since it's usually required to compile, as Gentoo does, pacakges that depend on it). There isn't a libnetsnmp package in gentoo, nor a netsnmp package in any of the *-libs categories. Naming something netsnmp seems a bit redundant to me anyway, I'm fairly sure the N of sNmp stands for network, so I just searched for snmp. 14 hits. 1 is in a *-libs category, but the short description says it's specifically for KDE, not what you are looking for I think. 1 (other) has lib in the name of the package, but it's specifically for ruby, again, I was fairly sure that wasn't what you were looking for. Also, other distros generally but ruby in the package name of ruby libraries. Down to 12 packages. I threw out packages in dev-perl and perl-python, again, because of other distros naming practices. 1 package was in sec-policy which is definitely not the place for a lib. 1 package was a plugin for something else, so I decided that was also probably not what you want. Down to 4 packages. At that point, I decided the most likely package was net-snmp because of the name. bsnmp says it's a library (whereas net-snmp doesn't) so that would probably be a good second choice. snmpmon (a tool) and snmptt could also ship that library, but that's probably a stretch. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't login with a normal user
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 12:27:10 Jan-Hendrik Zab wrote: 'strace -f su - jonsnow': [pid 4117] execve(/bin/zsh, [-su], [/* 6 vars */]) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) Note that the trace clearly shows that /bin/zsh isn't returning an error code (in which case pid 4117 would immediately die) but rather the execve call is returning an error code and the fork()ed copy of su continues executing (writes an error to stderr and then dies). According to http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/execve.2.html EACCES is only returned by this function for a few reasons: 1) Search permission is denied on a component of the path prefix of filename or the name of a script interpreter. (See also path_resolution(2).) (So, make sure /bin and / are executable by uid 1000.) 2) The file or a script interpreter is not a regular file. (So, make sure /bin/zsh is not a symlink, evidently that doesn't work.) 3) Execute permission is denied for the file or a script or ELF interpreter. (So, make sure that /bin/zsh and /lib/ld-linux.so* are executable. If /bin/zsh is a script make sure the interpreter listed after #! is executable. Proceed recursively if THAT is a script.) (Also, is it possible that you don't have the right /lib/ld-linux.so? See the above link for some detail [the paragraph just above RETURN VALUE]. ldd should be able to show you which one you need.) 4) The file system is mounted noexec. (So, make sure that you filesystem is currently mounted exec.) If all of those check out, I think you'll have to use the source, luke. Permissions of '/': drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 2007-06-17 16:21 // That looks a little weird, but only because of the extra '/'. On my system: $ ls -ld / drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 664 2007-06-11 20:27 / -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't login with a normal user
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 14:03:20 Jan-Hendrik Zab wrote: I really dislike this problem :D /me agrees. My locally installed man page doesn't provide any other explanations for that return code, so I'm still betting it's one of those things. However, someone more skilled than I might be able to spend some time digging through libc and/or the kernel to determine an alternative cause. Does you dmesg show any kernel faults/backtraces? Sometimes they can muck up things enough to cause weird errors but not enough to crash the system. If so, I'd recommend capturing it and rebooting. Then, report the fault as a bug. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Sync and glsa-check from cron
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 17:18:45 Nick wrote: So, I'm planning to run sudo emerge --sync and sudo glsa-check -f new from a cron job, perhaps once a week. I can set up the sudoers part all fine, but is there anything I should watch out for / consider when running these maintenance tools from a cron job? Not these two, they shouldn't depend significantly on your environment variables. Just make sure you are in the right group to run cron jobs. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Sync and glsa-check from cron
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 17:26:15 Joshua Doll wrote:
Nick wrote:
I can set up the sudoers part all fine, but is there anything I
should watch out for / consider when running these maintenance tools
from a cron job?
Oh, and I forgot to mention it in my other direct reply: You'll probably need
to specify the full path to those commands. $PATH is generally different or
unset when tasks are run from cron.
I think cron can run jobs as root.
Yes, /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} contains scripts to be run as
root. Also, some (most? all?) cron daemons allow root to have a crontab
separate from the system crontab. If you have root access you can even
fiddle with the system crontab, but that's not the preferred solution.
Many cron daemons also allow jobs to be run as a user by maintaining a crontab
for each user and su-ing to the correct user (and cleaning/setting the
environment) before running the task. If I'm reading the question correctly,
he will be adding these actions to his user's crontab and then sudo-ing to
run the script. sudo can be set up to allow users to run tasks as root
without a password. sudo also cleans the environment by default, but that
can be turned off or made less strict.
However, tasks run by cron (either as root or as another user) will have
different environment variables set. e.g. /etc/profile and $HOME/.profile
are not sourced in the shell (generally cron jobs aren't run in a shell at
all). They will also generally not have a tty associated with them. Again,
if I'm reading the OP correctly, (s)he was wondering if those changes will
affect those two commands. Some commands / scripts are quite sensitive to
the environment and may give different results (or not work at all) when run
from a cron job.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help me reboot X
On Monday 18 June 2007 12:22:59 Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On 6/18/07, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:16:58 -0400, Ken wrote: If you have physical access to the machine and have support for the Magic SysRq built into your kernel, you can kill the X server by pressing ALT + SysRq + K. This will kill all processes running on the current terminal. Hrm, I thought this killed ALL processes, but I could be wrong. Is that maybe Alt+SysRq+e or Alt+SysRq+i? If you are accessing via SSH, you can still use this with echo k /proc/sysrq-trigger Nice. However, I'm still wondering -- neither of my keyboards has a keytop labelled sysreq. What is it? My laptop has a specific key for it. IIRC, (my desktop is not in front of me), it shares a key with 'Print Screen'. On both (again, IIRC) it's usually shortend to just 'SysRq'. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Finer grained kde*-meta packages
On Monday 18 June 2007 14:36:05 Neil Bothwick wrote: I have most of KDE installed here, yet only 67 kde-base packages in world. I run fairly light, I have about half that many: $ grep -c ^kde /var/db/pkg/world 31 I do have a number of KDE applications installed from other parts of the tree though, like kmplayer, kaffeine, ktorrent, etc. You could reduce that sill further by using more than the two meta packages I currently have. Again, since I prefer to just install the apps I want, I only pulled in 1 meta package. $ grep ^kde /var/db/pkg/world | grep -e '-meta$' kde-base/kdeartwork-meta -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Finer grained kde*-meta packages
On Monday 18 June 2007 16:36:38 Peter Ruskin wrote: On Monday 18 June 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: /var/db/pkg/world I think your system may need updating - the world file has lived in /var/lib/portage for some time now. Paludis prefers it @ /var/db/pkg/world. I have both on my system; one is just a symlink to the other. My system was fully updated (~amd64) around 8a this morning, right before I left for work. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages
On Saturday 16 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages': · Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right, because kde*-meta is supposed to replace, and act as much as possible like the monolithic kde* package. If you don't want all of kdenetwork you don't install kdenetwork-meta, you install individual applications from kdenetwork. Well, but as kdenetwork-meta is a dependency of kde-meta, this solution means, that about 300 packages should be manually listed, just because one package is not wanted. No, because as I covered in my other reply, you can still use kdebase-meta, kdepim-meta, etc. to pull is all the packages from those parts of kde and only list individual applications from the parts you don't want everything from (in your case you should be able to use every kdefoo-meta 'cept for kdenetwork-meta). For your particular use case it's still 30 packages, not 300. Sure, maybe that's still too many. Perhaps a recommends/suggests dependency type (all recommends would be post-dependencies) to allow a package to install even if all of the packages that satisfy one of it's recommend atoms are masked would be better, but you'll have to take that up with the developers responsible for specifying the EAPI levels. Careful how you phrase any suggestion though or you'll just get shouted down by Gentoo isn't Debian replies. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] lvm without initrd
On Saturday 16 June 2007, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] lvm without initrd': I'd like to know which parts of my system need to stay on traditional partitions and which directories can be moved to an lvm if I don't want to use initrd and still be able to boot. Anything 'cept / (and /boot of course) can live on LVM without the need for an initrd. Of course, /lib and /etc can't be on separate block devices from /. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Make portage assume, that a package is installed
On Friday 15 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Make portage assume, that a package is installed': Good morning! On my system, I did not install net-dialup/ppp. But I'd now like to install kde-base/kde-meta, which will pull in kde-base/kdenetwork-meta, which will pull in kde-base/kppp and this will finally pull in net-dialup/ppp. Can I now make it somehow so, that I am able to install kdenetwork-meta, but NOT install kppp ppp? So I tried to create the file in /etc/portage. Contents: --($:~)-- cat /etc/portage/package.provided kde-base/kppp-3.5.7 net-dialup/ppp-2.4.4-r8 Obviously, I'm doing something wrong. How do I do it right? As Peter Alfredsen mentioned, overrides for your profile should go in /etc/portage/profile instead of /etc/portage. However, I suggest that a cleaner method would be to not install kde-meta or kdenetwork-meta at all but instead just install the KDE applications that you require. For example: $ grep -i kde /var/db/pkg/world dev-util/kdesvn kde-base/akregator kde-base/kalzium kde-base/kaudiocreator kde-base/kcharselect kde-base/kdeartwork-kscreensaver kde-base/kdeartwork-kwin-styles kde-base/kdeartwork-styles kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/kdm kde-base/kget kde-base/kgpg kde-base/kicker-applets kde-base/klipper kde-base/kmahjongg kde-base/kmail kde-base/kmenuedit kde-base/kmix kde-base/kompare kde-base/konq-plugins kde-base/konqueror-akregator kde-base/konsole kde-base/kontact kde-base/korganizer kde-base/kpager kde-base/kpdf kde-base/kscreensaver kde-base/kstars kde-base/ksysguard kde-base/kwalletmanager kde-base/kwin kde-base/superkaramba kde-misc/kdiff3 kde-misc/filelight -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Finer grained kde*-meta packages (was: Make portage assume, that a package is installed)
On Friday 15 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Finer grained kde*-meta packages (was: Make portage assume, that a package is installed)': Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I suggest that a cleaner method would be to not install kde-meta or kdenetwork-meta at all but instead just install the KDE applications that you require. Actually, I disagree. This would (obviously *g*) mean, that kde-meta cannot be installed (just as you say). Yes, because the upstream kde includes, in particular, kppp. This means, that a whole shit load of packages would need to be manually installed. And all that, just because you don't want one or two packages? Yep. You get kde-meta or individual kde packages or you get your own ebuild that depends on a number of KDE packages. The Gentoo developers do quite a bit of work just to give us kde-meta. Be glad they don't stick you with the monolithic ebuilds. Nah. IMO that's the wrong way around. IMO the correct way would be to enhance the kde*-meta packages so, that they support USE flags, which allow the user to select what's to be installed. I suppose that's a good idea in the future. Perhaps you should file an enhancement bug. That said, I would prefer kde-meta install all the packages that are part of KDE's upstream packaging by default. Eg. a ppp flag to select that ppp related stuff is to be installed. Or filesharing to disable filesharing related stuf Do you suggest a global flag? If so, what packages do you recommend this flags modify the behavior of? If not, shouldn't it have a less ambiguous name? I mean, what's the advantage of the kde*-meta packages over the kde package, when the kde*-meta require just as much junk, as the kde package does? Hm, really, what's the use of the kde*-meta package anyway? The kde-meta package is meant to replace the kde package. The is no advantage (and without a workable confcache, at least one disadvantage) to running split ebuilds. The advantage of split ebilds is that you have the choice to install only the kde applications you want, by using the individual ebaulds, without dragging in all of kde (which is what old style kde packages pulled in as a dependency.) Are the monolithic ebuilds still available? They need to be purged from the tree ASAP. - Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages
On Friday 15 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages': Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 15 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] The ppp flag is already known to portage. --($:~/tmp)-- euses -i ppp net-dialup/capi4k-utils:pppd - Installs pppdcapiplugin modules That's pppd, not ppp But maybe dialup might be good. But that's details. Yes, much easier to understand. I mean, what's the advantage of the kde*-meta packages over the kde package, when the kde*-meta require just as much junk, as the kde package does? Hm, really, what's the use of the kde*-meta package anyway? The kde-meta package is meant to replace the kde package. The is no advantage (and without a workable confcache, at least one disadvantage) to running split ebuilds. The advantage of split ebilds is that you have the choice to install only the kde applications you want, by using the individual ebaulds, without dragging in all of kde (which is what old style kde packages pulled in as a dependency.) But with using the kde*-meta package, this advantage doesn't exist. Right, because kde*-meta is supposed to replace, and act as much as possible like the monolithic kde* package. If you don't want all of kdenetwork you don't install kdenetwork-meta, you install individual applications from kdenetwork. Of course, any USE flags available on the old monolithic packages, as well as any use configure options from upstream, should be exposed. Are the monolithic ebuilds still available? Yes. Eg. kdemultimedia-3.5.7.ebuild They need to be purged from the tree ASAP. Have phun with bugzilla :) Or where should something like this actually be brought up? Probably the developer list, I'm sure someone from the kde herd would hear you there. - Your signature is delimited in a wrong way. Odd, I must have accidentally cut one of the -s. Kmail properly uses -- \n as this message and my first in the thread can attest. It does let you edit you signature and the separator, and I must have mistakenly taken advantage of that. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages
On Friday 15 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages': Suppose you've got the following use case: Install all of KDE, but leave out PPP stuff. How would you solve that? Intall all the kde*-meta packages except kde-meta (I want to customize my kde install) and kdenetwork-meta (Specifically, I want to adjust network [ppp] support). Install any packages I need but don't have yet via the split ebuilds. Just because kde-meta doesn't satisfy your needs you don't have to forgo using the -meta ebuilds entirely. In your case it will probably be 30 packages you need to install, not 300. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't login on Courier-imap server
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 03:38:58 Johannes Skov Frandsen wrote: I have installed Courier-imap on my server and I'm trying to test it, which is not going that well... When I try to telnet in to it I can connect but I can't log in. Am I using the right commands when I test? Yes, but you are using the wrong format. All IMAP commands and responses are prefixed by a 4-character string and a space. This way a command can have multiple responses and multiple commands can be sent before the response for the first is received. (The client matches responses to commands based on matching prefixes.) So, you'll probably want your first line to be something like: login your_username -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] M$ Excel document converter
On Wednesday 13 June 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] M$ Excel document converter':
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 14:02, Bertram Scharpf wrote:
There's a Ruby package `parseexcel' which seems to work as
far as I can test here.
http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/parseexcel/
I'm not a ruby programmer :(
I am.
Here's a script that will dump a worksheet as a csv. Save, chmod a+x, and
invoke like name_of_script name_of_excel_file worksheet_number csv_file
(e.g. ./convertxls price_list.xls 0 price_list.csv):
#! /usr/bin/ruby
require 'parseexcel'
wb = Spreadsheet::ParseExcel.parse(ARGV.shift)
ws = workbook.worksheet(ARGV.shift.to_i)
ws.each { |row|
puts row.collect { |cell|
'' + cell.to_s.gsub(//, '') + ''
}.join(',')
}
Clearly, all the heavy lifting is done by that library, which you will need
to run this script.
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Re: [gentoo-user] M$ Excel document converter
On Wednesday 13 June 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] M$ Excel document converter': On Wednesday 13 June 2007 15:04, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: I am. Here's a script that will dump a worksheet as a csv: #! /usr/bin/ruby This script doesn't work for me :( Bogus. :( Well, try Bertram's suggestion. I just wrote the script on the fly without testing it. I'll install parseexcel and see what I did wrong and post a script that works for me later. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Double network cards
On Monday 11 June 2007, dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Double network cards': Marco Calviani pisze: Hi list, i would like some technical advice concerning the possibility of mounting two network devices on the same desktop computer. One network card (which is binded to a fixed IP) allows me to allow the machine to be visible on the public network, while the second one (faster, the one i've installed now) is used to work. Hello If You are going to use both devices to access the same address space then afaik it is not possible. I think it could be done with static routing, but You would require properly configured router. Which (surprise!) is the same thing as a properly configured linux box. :P Basically, you simply need to make sure you configure routing for the internet at large correctly. This will generally involve some sort of source-based routing and/or some custom dhclient scripts and/or assigning proper metrics to your routes and telling the kernel how to use those metrics when there are multiple routes to a single IP. We have two networks here at the house: the cable internet (9Mbps/1Mbps, but those speeds can't be counted on, dynamic IP) and the DSL (1.5Mbps/512Kbps, I think, block of static IPs). I've got two NICs so I'm on both of them. Virtually all traffic uses the cable connection (http requests, bittorrent, etc.), but the DSL connection is available for traffic (ssh, local mail server [on the same subnet], etc.). Here's the relevant parts of my setup: /etc/conf.d/net: config_eth0=( dhcp ) modules_eth0=( pump ) pump_eth0= config_eth1=( 69.154.123.205/29 brd 69.154.123.207 ) modules_eth1=( !plug ) /etc/iproute2/rt_tables: 127 dsl /etc/conf.d/local.start: sbr-init /usr/local/sbin/sbr-init: #!/bin/bash # Clear tables ip route flush table dsl 2- # Fill tables ip route add 69.154.123.200/29 dev eth1 table dsl ip route add 0.0.0.0/0 via 69.154.123.206 table dsl # Reset rules ip rule del pref 16000 from 69.154.123.205 2- # Set rules ip rule add pref 16000 from 69.154.123.205 table dsl -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] DVD 2.4 to DVD5
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 00:19:20 Nicola Degl'Innocenti wrote: I have bought a new camcorder with minidvd, and i need to convert this mini dvd to the standard video dvd (4.7Gb) preferibly without addictional compression and in a simply way :-) Can you read the mini-dvds in your computer's DVD drive? If so, you just need to copy the data to a new disk -- k3b should be able to do this if you have enough free space in your temporary directory. You can do it in two (or three) steps as well, if you want or need to store the image on your HD. You'll rip the content with cp, dd, dvdbackup, or k3b. This will either create an iso or directory; you can loopback mount the iso to get a directory or use genisoimage to get an iso from the directory. Finally burn the iso/directory using growisofs or k3b. If not, the first thing is you need to find a library/program that can read the A/V off the mini-dvd. For that task, I can provide no aid. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
On Sunday 10 June 2007, Karl Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?': Color is pretty ;) lol. It makes things interesting! I agree however that there might need to be some way to turn it off easily. It should also be turned off by default for anything that's not a terminal. or a terminal whose termcap/terminfo/etc. doesn't support the ANSI color feature. One of the most annoying things I've ever seen is ANSI escape codes in emails and/or log files. Gentoo is fairly good about that now, but I'm still having problem with RoR misbehaving in this way. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
On Sunday 10 June 2007, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?': I don't care how you label it, white-on-black is nasty. ;) I feel the same way about black-on-white terminals. Acually, I'd prefer black-on-white for everything but I haven't found a good KDE theme for that yet. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
On Sunday 10 June 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FeatureRequest Was: Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?': Acually, I'd prefer black-on-white I meant white-on-black. Dark backgrounds are just easier on my eyes. for everything but I haven't found a good KDE theme for that yet. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[OT] Ubuntu isn't the devil (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid)
On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid': On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote: Kent Fredric ha scritto: On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( probably releated to it being a generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough* unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* ) OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and slick pieces of software. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 at work and it's the more polished, ready-to-go, easy to use Linux distro I've ever seen. I use Gentoo on my home desktop for various reasons and because I have different needs, but the Linux community has only to learn from the Ubuntus. what to learn? How to make kcontrol worse? I think many find ksystemsettings to be better a better interface than kcontrol. I don't, so I just use kcontrol. It is a little stupid that they don't install the desktop icon for it, but it's trivial to fix. The slowest boot of all times? My Gentoo boots more slowly, but that's probably related to the large delay mounting a 3TiB reiserfs. Ubuntu can also be very quick to boot *if* all files read on startup fit into system ram throughout the startup sequence, on my laptop this isn't the case, so my booting is somewhat delayed. A braindead installer? How exactly is it braindead? I've used it multiple times and while it's error handling could be better, it's allowed me to do all the setup I need before the install starts and generally gets me run-and-running much faster and Gentoo. A patched-to-death kpdf? Yeah, ubuntu patches KDE left and right and it's a bit annoying, especially when they reduce usability for no good reason. E.g. the search toolbar forces the cursor to the end of it's contents from time to time, and doesn't properly submit searches with parenthesis in them -- both issues make the search bar on Gentoo much better. Yes, there is something to learn from the ubuntus. Like: don't make their mistakes. Their mistakes made them the most popular linux distribution in a incredibly small amount of time. Their mistakes continue to drive user and developers toward the project in flocks. Their mistakes lead to Dell shipping home systems with Ubuntu pre-installed. I love Gentoo. I love Debian. I still think Ubuntu does some things better and some things worse. On my laptop, I'd prefer not to configure anything -- and Ubuntu provides a usable system with no hassles. Servers @ work -- Debian. Desktop @ home -- Gentoo. I don't think I'd change any of them. Or: there is a difference between userfriendly and made for idiots. Ubuntu being neither. ;) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing primary monitor on dual-monitor X.org setup
On Wednesday 06 June 2007, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Changing primary monitor on dual-monitor X.org setup': On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:42:59 +0300 Aleksey Kunitskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth24 SubSection Display Modes 1280x1024 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen1 Device Card1 MonitorMonitor1 DefaultDepth24 SubSection Display Modes 1280x1024 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Just switch the Monitor lines here, and switch the plugs. Or, just switch the Device lines. Each device is a single DVI port (at least on my NVidia setup). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 07:20:45 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 30 May 2007 05:39:01 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: However, paludis does have some missing features that may be critical for your environment: a revdep-rebuild equivalent (although this can be hacked around) With the ruby use flag there's check_linkage.rb. I didn't know about that. I've been using revdep-rebuild, but having it pass cat-egory/package as an additional argument to emerge, which cause the emerge to fail. I then run paludis using packages from one of revdep-rebuild's temporary files. Finally I remove revdep-rebuild's temporary files. It's a nasty hack, but it has worked so far. I found check_linkage.rb, but it's not installed (or linked) to any of the standard $PATH directories. Instead, it's in a demo directory. Is it fully functional? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpNAZg34RJwf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 21:20:52 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:09:10 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: I found check_linkage.rb, but it's not installed (or linked) to any of the standard $PATH directories. Instead, it's in a demo directory. Is it fully functional? Yes. You run it with ruby. Yeah, I figured a .rb was run with ruby. :P If it's really useful, it should be chmod'd +x and installed or linked into /usr/sbin. I can do that myself (in that case /usr/local/sbin), but such wonderful utilities shouldn't be hidden. :) It does still lack a couple of features though. Namely --library and the ability to pick another version when the ebuild for an installed version has been removed. At least the latter is soon to come. I noticed it was also trying to reinstall all my binary-only packages: sun-jdk, blackdown-jdk, skype, and emul-linux-x86-compat. I guess revdep-rebuild has some blacklist that prevents it from doing so. But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses with --package-names because of the lack of support for the =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still supports.. :) You mean that portage actually supports slot deps now? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpr0zqBz2ntK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 21:23:00 Denis wrote: Why are there multiple versions of java-config, autoconf, and automake shown on my system? They are incompatible, slotted, and each slot is individually required (or was at some time). There could be other multi-version packages... Is this normal for portage that is configured to autoclean? Yes. Autoclean doesn't uninstall versions in a different slot. I'm not sure about depclean. If so, I find it rather interesting that packages would depend on so many different versions of automake, for instance! HA. autohell is that way because there's little backward or forward compatibility. (Well, that and m4.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpGlwvJ7LX05.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 06:51:12 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 29 May 2007 10:32:23 Daevid Vincent wrote: * mail-mta/exim Latest version available: 4.67 Latest version installed: 4.54 Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest] Homepage:http://www.exim.org/ So I have this in my package.mask: =mail-mta/exim-4.55 [SNIP] [nomerge ] sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r10 [4.1-r9] [ebuild N] mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2 USE=ipv6 ssl -mailwrapper vixie-cron has a run-time dependency on virtual/mta which can be satisfied by both exim and ssmtp (and 8 other packages in the tree). ssmtp is the default provider. It matters despite the nomerge because it's a run-time dependency rather than build-time. You have at least four options. Another, less tenable, option is to use paludis as your package manager. It will satisfy dependencies (including virtuals) with installed packages. Also, paludis's --show-reasons summary option is usually easier to understand and more informative than emerge/portage's --tree option. However, paludis does have some missing features that may be critical for your environment: binary packages (both building and using) and a revdep-rebuild equivalent (although this can be hacked around) AND you can't simply switch between using paludis and emerge/portage; they use the same VDB, but repositories are configured differently and paludis can perform some caching that emerge/portage will not use/update. It also runs the ebuild test phase by default which results in more merge failures and thus more required interaction; you can turn that off if you desire. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgp5UWuEL5RKe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how do you keep up with system administration?
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 09:01:39 Denis wrote: I'm curious to know your approach to keeping your Gentoo box current without it becoming a full-time job. I'm not talking about maintaining servers - just your daily driver, so to say. In server-land I would perform all upgrades on a test system before rolling to production anyway. How often do you sync with the current portage tree and compare it your versions in world? I sync, update system and world, and then revdep-rebuild daily. I run ~amd64. Unfortunately, this can get you into some sticky situations: my pdns still doesn't like my new postgres. If you are running stable, it's much less likely to result in bad situations, and you should be able to put off upgrades much longer. A daily (or weekly) sync is still a good idea IMHO; having an up-to-date tree is rarely a disadvantage. How often to you update major components, like Xorg, kernel, and system tool chain? I live on the edge and treat them like any other package. Well, 'cept the kernel, which I only actually compile and reboot into occasionally. If you don't have time to wrestle with issues, but off the upgrade. Nothing sucks worse than not having the time to fix X, but needing it to work/play and having to broken. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgp07TFMJOymi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] multilib vs. no-multilib in 64-bit environment
On Saturday 26 May 2007, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] multilib vs. no-multilib in 64-bit environment': I think I'll attempt to set up one of my EM64T boxes in 64-bit Gentoo environment, so I've been reading some docs about it. *cough*AMD64*cough* I understand that the multilib profile allows for having 32-bit libraries and being able to run 32-bit binaries, Being able to run 32-bit binaries requires two things. x86_32 support in the kernel (which (no-)multilib doesn't affect) and all the libraries for the binaries being available in a 32-bit version, particularly ld.so and libc.so.6; multilib the multilib profile causes (not allows -- if you use multilib profile it is not optional) the most fundamental 32-bit libraries (like those required for *building* a 32-bit library) to be installed. whereas no-multilib restricts you to a purely 64-bit environment with no 32-bit compatibility. That's true as far as libraries go. (A fully statically linked 32-bit executable could still run if the kernel has support for x86_32.) What would be some of the reasons for setting up a no-multilib profile? Saves disk space and compilation time. Perhaps for a computational workstation that doesnt need any fancy toys or a development system? Very few F(L)OSS programs are unavailable in 64-bit land, so if your computer lives in the Free (Software) world you won't have problems no matter what you use the computer for. If you need/want proprietary binaries, multilib is the only way to go. Are any of you here running on a no-multilib 64-bit profile? Not I. I'm still leaning on my wine/cedega crutch for some things. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Unusal emerge error concerning x11-misc/xnview
On Saturday 26 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Unusal emerge error concerning x11-misc/xnview': Trying to emerge x11-misc/xnview: | root # emerge -vvp * x11-misc/xnview See that * in your command, that's going to be expanded by your shell to the name of every (non-hidden) file in the current directory, unless there aren't any. Apparently something is being passed to emerge somewhere I can't see. It's easy to catch if you actually understand how the POSIX shell works. (Hint: /very/ different from MS Windows's cmd.exe) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo.
On Friday 25 May 2007 02:12:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is this, If I enabel 64 bit support in the kernel, You mean run a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit support. There's no such thing as a 32-bit kernel with 64-bit support (at least not in x86-land). is that likely to cause any issues with running the 32bit compiled software? No, it won't, but it's a little bit tricky to set up. You'll want to use an i686 stage3, and set ARCH to x86 or ~x86. Then, you'll have to install a cross compiler (and binutils, IIRC) and cross-compile your kernel. You could always just use a 32-bit kernel. Do you have 3G or more RAM or need to run 64-bit programs? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgp0Ettis9NAS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo.
On Friday 25 May 2007 04:09:00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, unless I need the upper memory support, it may be better for me to just not click the flag for 64bit memory support, and move on? IIRC, that's for PAE, which you definitely shouldn't use unless you have 4G of RAM or greater. Ticking that box doesn't make your kernel 64-bit though, anymore than supporting 64-bit file offsets makes a kernel 64-bit. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpD5BreX3tMd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Semi OT: 64 bit processors, the Linux Kernel, and x86 Gentoo.
On Friday 25 May 2007 04:53:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes the difference between a 64 bit kernel, and a 32 bit kernel? Use of 64-bit machine code [*], particularly instructions that make use of 64-bit native[**] registers[***]. * Defining this is more difficult, since that does not mean instruction requiring 64-bits to represent as many architectures have variable length instructions. ** Native is a difficult term to define, but I'm explicitly excluding the floating-point registers that have been 64-bit or 80-bit from my vague notion of native *** I guess this makes the Cell processor 128-bit? BTW, if the term register doesn't mean anything to you it's the fastest memory in your computer, closer to the ALU (etc.) than L1 cache, very small and expensive that are addressed differently than all other memory. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpSnyjmncIjE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing libaries
On Friday 25 May 2007, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Changing libaries': Another user had some trouble because Kaffeine couldn't play .ogg-files. In the end we found out that he activated the necessary USE-flag and re-emerged xine-lib but Kaffeine kept using the old lib which was still in RAM, I presume. Naturally, the problem was solved when he rebooted but I wonder how I could achieve the effect without rebooting. For most applications you simply have to restart the application. Next time the process starts perform dynamic linking, which accesses the filesystem and picks up the new library. KDE applications started under the standard KDE environment have dynamic linking done for them by kdeinit though, so shared libraries stay loaded (but possibly swapped out) persist for as long as the kdeinit process lives. So, you'll have to restart the kdeinit process, this usually involves logging out and logging back in, although kdm might (I don't think so, but might) require you to restart X. Alternatively, you might be able to get around this by prelinking, or at least telling KDE that things are prelinked (even if they aren't) I believe kdeinit drops this behavior if KDE_IS_PRELINKED=1 or KDE_IS_PRELINKED=true is in the environment when kdeinit starts. You can NOT simply kill the kdeinit process unless you want KDE applications started by it to start mysteriously dying. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: two identical /etc/sudoers -- only one works
On Friday 25 May 2007, maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: two identical /etc/sudoers -- only one works': strace: ... open(/etc/sudoers, O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) FS corruption. Check dmesg for any errors, but fsck the filesystem containing this file ASAP even if you don't see anything. I'd seen the same behavior (albeit on a different file) on some of my reiserfs filesystems -- files that no one, including root, could access due to Permission denied. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Copy/Paste Functionality in Konsole
On Thursday 31 May 2007, Dan Cowsill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Copy/Paste Functionality in Konsole': I really like the copy/paste functionality you find in the Linux console and in PuTTY where you just highlight the text you want to copy and when you release the mouse button, it is copied. Then, you can just right click to paste it into the input line. How would I engineer such functionality in Konsole? Have you tried it yet? It works here w/o any special settings. IIRC, there might be a global KDE setting that affects the selection (and clipboard) behavior, but I set up KDE so long ago that I don't remember it. /me reads message again. Oh, you want right-click to paste the selection? Hrm, try using middle-click and you'll get what you want albeit on another button. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't start apache [solved]
On Thursday 17 May 2007, Johannes Skov Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Can't start apache [solved]': Well not entirley happy it turns out as I can't get apache to handle php. I added '-D PHP5' to APACHE2_OPTS in /etc/conf.d/apache2 but when I restart apache i get this error: # /etc/init.d/apache2 restart * Apache2 has detected a syntax error in your configuration files: apache2: Syntax error on line 495 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Syntax error on li ne 4 of /etc/apache2/modules.d/70_mod_php5.conf: API module structure `php5_modu le' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? Did you install php before or after apache? It probably needs to be recompiled against your current version. I'm stuck with a mod_ruby that gives the same error and won't recompile right now. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs]
On Thursday 17 May 2007, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs]': Come on, Enrico, you KNOW you're acting like the typical mailing list troll, so, would you please unsbuscribe, shut up, or something like that? You definitely need to read HOWTO Critize (constructively). And I could use some support from the rest of the list here :) He's got *some* points, but he's being intentionally antagonistic and taking a my way or the highway attitude. [Actually, maybe his position would be better stated a 'the Debian way' or the highway, but I digress.] So, yeah he's a troll, but at least it's a good troll. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Managing my kernel
On Tuesday 15 May 2007, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Managing my kernel': On Tue, 15 May 2007 09:21:17 +0200 Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:57, Dan Farrell wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007 12:33:22 +1200 Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2/ disables loadable modules completely But Why? What's the benefit? [S]ome rootkits use LKMs, and removing loadable modules support might help to prevent such attacks. I'd never heard of LKM rootkits, although the concept is I suppose a good one, as far as defeating security goes. I must say I'm not going to start worrying about it, but point taken The (GPL'd) rootkit I was able to look at didn't even use LKMs, it simply patched the kernel live via /proc/kcore. The version I saw probably wouldn't work anymore, but LKMs aren't the only way a rootkit can take hold. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Real time video streaming (was: Help playing simultaneously splitted videos (sort of))
On Sunday 13 May 2007, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: Real time video streaming (was: Help playing simultaneously splitted videos (sort of))': On 2007-05-13, Javier Krausbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mkfifo f1 mkfifo f2 mkfifo f3 mplayer whatever_options_you_want_and_make_it_write_to_stdout | tee f1 | tee f2 f3 Just one caveat, mplayer does not do output to stdout, So use another fifo. To elaborate: mkfifo queue mkfifo vo1 mkfifo vo2 mkfifo vo3 mplayer lots_of_options_and_write_output_to queue tee vo1 queue | tee vo2 vo3 or similar. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] I copied a Gentoo VM and now networking doesn't work.
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 02:55:42 Daevid Vincent wrote: I have a Gentoo VM that I've used for years (XP Host. Workstation 5.5.3). Works great. I copied the .vmdk and .vmx files to a new directory called LAMP. I edited the .vmx file changing the appropriate paths. Now when I start the new VM, my networking fails. (I changed nothing inside the linux VM). ifconfig eth0 says: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found Check for other devices. udev now establishes persistent network device names based on MAC address (unless you add some of your own rules). It's very likely that the MAC address of the virtual device changed, and the new device is eth1 (or higher). This isn't really Gentoo specific. It's bit me on at least 2 other distros as well. (Mainly due to the network cards in one of my systems being broken so that the MAC is randomized by the kernel on each boot.) This new behavior is odd to me, but in the long run I think it'll improve usability of Linux in general. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgp7LzQ3nbOPL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]
On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Separate /usr [was: Clock is way off]': Hello Daniel Iliev, Some say it gives performance boost (I'm not sure about it), but more importantly it gives (partial) protection from file system damage. You could also argue that /usr needs the least protection from filesystem damage, because it contains no data. /usr can be repaired with a reinstall, unlike /var, /home or /etc. That's my view, which is why /usr (fast, RAID0) is separate from / (containing /etc; RAID6) on my machine. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: cdrtools incomplete?
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: cdrtools incomplete?': Leonhard Gruener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, 7. Mai 2007 schrieb Kevin O'Gorman: On 5/6/07, Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 070506 Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm trying to burn a CD for the first time in a long while. It's not going well. I've got cdrtools-2.01.01-alpha10 installed. The description says it includes cdrecord, but I cannot find it. So install cdrkit. The real cdrecord is from cdrtools, though. I'm pretty sure the one in cdrkit is real. Either that or I'm only imagining that I burned and used my last rescue CD. *boggle* :) Just to be clear, cdrkit is a fork off of an older version of cdrtools that was made because Debian doesn't believe cdrtools to be distributable by anyone other than the copyright holder since parts are licensed under the GPL and parts are under the (GPL-incompatible) CDDL. The issue is further since the work isn't from an single author (contributions licensed under the GPL from others have been integrated) AND at least one party involved believes the GPL and CDDL to be compatible. That doesn't make cdrkit less real, but it does mean that you'll probably have fewer issues using cdrtools. (I use cdrkit and have never had any problems with it; YMMV.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Wesnoth version
On Saturday 05 May 2007, Marko Kocić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Wesnoth version': [I]f let's try to rename ebuild and see what happens when the new version is released, I'll be glad to help by sending reports to this list. Better to file version-bump bugs to b.g.o. Reporting/complaining here is less likely to produce results. Remember to wait 2-3 days after the official release date before filing a bug; give the maintainer a little time to do the bump him/herself. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
