Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Mick
On 17 February 2010 00:12, Volker Armin Hemmann you want dependency nightmare? openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. I don't need wordperfect, I don't want gnome. No way to get rid of that crap. I know. :-( Even basic libs are pulling in tons of

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com I also happen to own a couple of old PCs which I try to keep lean and I don't mind the odd double declutching to change gears. Now, I understand the development philosophy of KDE4 since this was very well explained, but that

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread pk
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf installed (USE: -gnome, globally in make.conf). I run stable so that, of

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread pk
Dale wrote: What did you use in place of k3b? Is it a GUI or command line? cdrecord. I also have installed, but I haven't used it yet, XFburn... Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 14 February 2010 12:40:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 14 February 2010 13:02:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I highly recommend drivers to gain the skill of driving a vehicle crash-style without a clutch. Comes in useful sometimes. :-) the point was not stick but

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 01:21:22 Mick wrote: However, the point has been well made by many. KDE4 is not KDE3.x and with KDE4 you get the full enchilada because that's what the developers have produced. Since I do not have the ability (or time) to fork KDE4 into my own flavour I will

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-16 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Mick wrote: On Sunday 14 February 2010 12:40:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 14 February 2010 13:02:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I highly recommend drivers to gain the skill of driving a vehicle crash-style without a clutch. Comes in useful sometimes.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 13 February 2010 14:07:05 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I agree with the concept that people who don't want KDE dependancies, e.g. dbus, shouldn't use KDE apps. Therefore, I avoid amarok, kaffeine, kplayer, etc. What got

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 14 February 2010 13:02:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I highly recommend drivers to gain the skill of driving a vehicle crash-style without a clutch. Comes in useful sometimes. :-) the point was not stick but unsyncronized ;) I know. I just felt like tossing sounding in

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Samstag 13 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: #except that dsbus is not a KDE application. Just grep to portage tree for apps that use dbus. The result might be a bit shocking. Btw, do you have a car? But certainly you

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Feb 2010, at 15:42, Dale wrote: ... Btw, do you have a car? But certainly you drive stick. Unsyncronized. Because everything else is 'bloat'. ... P. S. I also drive a stick. I don't like the repair rates or costs on automatic transmissions. Except your manual gearbox probably

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 13 Feb 2010, at 15:42, Dale wrote: ... Btw, do you have a car? But certainly you drive stick. Unsyncronized. Because everything else is 'bloat'. ... P. S. I also drive a stick. I don't like the repair rates or costs

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 13 February 2010 14:07:05 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I agree with the concept that people who don't want KDE dependancies, e.g. dbus, shouldn't use KDE apps. Therefore, I avoid amarok, kaffeine, kplayer, etc. What got me started in this thread was the fact that what had

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 02:37:53PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you are just a stupid ass. It is not slow. You are the only one saying that. People who do use Nepomuk say that it is not slow and does not hog resources (initial

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 02:37:53PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you are just a stupid ass. It is not slow. You are the only one saying that. People who do use

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memory, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the linux developer community, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:32:02 Dale wrote: Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be times when I can but it is rare. I just don't get this thing that indexing is a resource hog. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:32:02 Dale wrote: Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be times when I can but it is

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Christian Apeltauer
Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). It's so mandatory

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:43:36 +0100, Christian Apeltauer wrote: If you do not want a piece of software, why should you install it? Installing and not using it instead of not installing it at all, is the wrong way and (to my opinion) it is defintely not the Gentoo way. Clearly it is not

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 01:49:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop

[gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Christian Apeltauer
Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. But I really like kmail as my mail client, so I give it a last

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. you

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Christian Apeltauer: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE=semantic-desktop and

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memory, and storage (really, if you organize your data

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). It's so mandatory it takes a whole mouse click to turn it off :( -- Neil Bothwick Old hitchhikers

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 11 Feb 2010, at 01:14, Roy Wright wrote: ... because to 'organize it properly' you would need a huge directory tree plus symlinks plus explaining notes to even simulate a small token of the stuff 'semantic desktop' can do for you.. Haven't had a problem organizing my data in 25 years