Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-04 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday 03 April 2011 15:13:09 luis jure wrote: on 2011-04-03 at 10:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage might be a little too challenging. 3.5? wow, i always thought that the name meant it had 20K... like the C64 and C128. but no.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-04 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 16:04, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2011 15:13:09 luis jure wrote: on 2011-04-03 at 10:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage might be a little too challenging. 3.5? wow, i always

Re: OT: Computers-memory-lane.... [Was: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?]

2011-04-04 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 04 April 2011 11:13:58 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 16:04, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2011 15:13:09 luis jure wrote: on 2011-04-03 at 10:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage

Re: OT: Computers-memory-lane.... [Was: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?]

2011-04-04 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 16:35, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday 04 April 2011 11:13:58 Pandu Poluan wrote: Oh, the nostalgy... :-) My first computer I believe was an Apple ][, a hand-down from an uncle. It ran only for 1-2 weeks before it went to the Bit Bucket in the Sky.

Re: OT: Computers-memory-lane.... [Was: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?]

2011-04-04 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday 04 April 2011 11:49:02 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 16:35, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday 04 April 2011 11:13:58 Pandu Poluan wrote: When its floppy drive (5.25) gave up the ghost, I got another hand-down; a PC-XT compatible no-name with a huge

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 09:09, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote: I would hate to know that you guys got bored and needed something to do.  LOL And here I am reading this thread while Firefox using

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Dale
Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 09:09, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I got you beat tho. 27229 dale 20 0 770m 271m 38m S 39 1.7 22:46.02 seamonkey-bin 27210 dale 20 0 750m 219m 38m S5 1.4 34:57.04 firefox I got both Seamonkey and Firefox running.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:09:56 -0500, Dale wrote: I wonder if we could put Linux on a old Vic-20? I think I got one out in the old shed somewhere. It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage might be a little too challenging. -- Neil Bothwick Old hitchhikers

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:09:56 -0500, Dale wrote: I wonder if we could put Linux on a old Vic-20? I think I got one out in the old shed somewhere. It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage might be a little too challenging. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread pk
On 2011-04-03 10:53, Dale wrote: Do you know what a Vic-20 is? It came out a bit before the Commodore 64. I guess the Vic-20 was my first computer, if you want to call it that. I think mine ran at 2Mhz and had just a few K of ram. Seems like it was 4K or so. This may help: Of course,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Jake Moe
On 04/03/11 20:04, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:09:56 -0500, Dale wrote: I wonder if we could put Linux on a old Vic-20? I think I got one out in the old shed somewhere. It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage might be a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread luis jure
on 2011-04-03 at 10:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage might be a little too challenging. 3.5? wow, i always thought that the name meant it had 20K... like the C64 and C128. but no. now, almost 30 years later, i learn that it had 5K,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:09:56 -0500, Dale wrote: I wonder if we could put Linux on a old Vic-20?  I think I got one out in the old shed somewhere. It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Bill Longman
I had the little cassette thing to store my stuff on. I think the OS in on a ROM which would be hard to get around unless the ROM was changed. Then it may not really be a Vic-20 anymore. I'm not sure about the C64 since I got me a 20Mhz oscilloscope to work on TVs and stuff. I still got

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Dale
Bill Longman wrote: I had the little cassette thing to store my stuff on. I think the OS in on a ROM which would be hard to get around unless the ROM was changed. Then it may not really be a Vic-20 anymore. I'm not sure about the C64 since I got me a 20Mhz oscilloscope to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Adam Carter
I already feel old but I think I'm really getting old now. It is amazing how far computer have come tho. Both in hardware and the OS, well, except for windoze. It hasn't come that far yet. lol If windows hasnt come far for you, then you've never used the pre-windows 2000 editions, let

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-03 Thread Dale
Adam Carter wrote: I already feel old but I think I'm really getting old now. It is amazing how far computer have come tho. Both in hardware and the OS, well, except for windoze. It hasn't come that far yet. lol If windows hasnt come far for you, then you've never used the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-02 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 03:28, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 02:22 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Good grief! How'd you do that?! *bow in respect* Rgds, Well, firstly, I managed to get it down to 3MB (though I cheated *a little*): lilpenguin ~ # sync ;

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-02 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 13:24 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Unfortunately, I can't go module-less; xtables-addons requires modules support. How do you get static /dev ? Go into /etc/conf.d/rc and change RC_DEVICES to static. Also if you are using virtio block devices (as I am) then you will need

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-02 Thread Dale
Albert Hopkins wrote: I'm not saying replace bash with dash. I'm saying change your login shell with dash (i.e. chsh). Moreover, dash is POSIX compliant so it should be able to be used with most shell scripts. The only reason you need bash around is that unfortunately baselayout-1 depends on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 01 April 2011 17:00:41 Albert Hopkins wrote: .. got it slightly lower by switching to dash and disabling ACPI and APIC: good thing that apic has nothing to do with memory at all.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-02 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I would hate to know that you guys got bored and needed something to do.  LOL And here I am reading this thread while Firefox using something like 800M of RAM just by itself...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-02 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I would hate to know that you guys got bored and needed something to do. LOL And here I am reading this thread while Firefox using something like 800M of RAM just by itself... I got you

[gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-01 Thread Pandu Poluan
Good grief! How'd you do that?! *bow in respect* Rgds, On 2011-04-02, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 19:36 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Just for fun, not for boasting ;-) Out of curiosity, I pared down nearly everything from my Gentoo VMware Guest.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-01 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 02:22 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Good grief! How'd you do that?! *bow in respect* Rgds, Well, firstly, I managed to get it down to 3MB (though I cheated *a little*): lilpenguin ~ # sync ; echo 3 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches # kinda cheating lilpenguin ~ # free -m

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-01 Thread Albert Hopkins
.. got it slightly lower by switching to dash and disabling ACPI and APIC: root@lilpenguin $ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:18 4 13 0 0 1 -/+ buffers/cache: 2 15 Swap:0

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-01 Thread Bill Longman
On 04/01/2011 02:00 PM, Albert Hopkins wrote: .. got it slightly lower by switching to dash and disabling ACPI and APIC: root@lilpenguin $ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:18 4 13 0 0 1 -/+

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go?

2011-04-01 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 14:44 -0700, Bill Longman wrote: ... So, what can you actually *do* on this, other than an ls or two? Well, first the challenge did not require that it had to have any use. But thinking about what you said, I remember when I first started using Linux, it was not