[gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply
On 2010-07-03, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time! Holy crap! They're playing world cup games in your back yard? The vuvuzelas must be driving you to distraction... -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply
On Sunday 04 July 2010 05:21:33 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-07-03, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time! Holy crap! They're playing world cup games in your back yard? The vuvuzelas must be driving you to distraction... Oi, you! That's the national musical instrument you're talking about! :-) You get used to it though, like traffic noise. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:59:07 +0200 KH gentoo-u...@konstantinhansen.de wrote: Sounds a little like putting someone in prison and than telling him walking through the prison yard is increasing his freedom. As Linux is a prison for programs then I guess your right.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:05 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
scrap metal in the back yard that it's perfectly OK for marauding gangs
of thugs to have at my car in the parking lots with baseball bats.
Comapring a simple rsync command with hard physical labor?
Dude{,ss}
What exactly is your problem with me?
I get many replies from you with these little barbs in them. You do not do
that to anyone else.
If you think I'm a juvenile wanker, a jerk or someone in possession of a
miniscule penis, then come right out and say so. Get it out in the open so it
can go away and we can move on.
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure
On 06/14/2017 12:47 PM, Mick wrote: > > A long shot, but you never know if it will help in your case. (Re)install > kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1 and see if all this multiple-asking for > permission goes away. It may just be that the KDE application in question > was > working well with kwalletd:4, but not kwalletd:5. > I'll try that later on, too busy digging in my yard. Stopped for a break. I should mention I don't use kwallet, I turn that crap off. The device doing all the prompting was the phone itself. The phone usually would ask once for permission but it seems to ask so quickly you can't respond to them causing the mtp driver to barf. Dan
[gentoo-user] Re: [TOT: Total offtopic]
On 2018-04-01 12:04, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > If you are unable to fix it yourself (but I think you can :D) Unicomp > offers parts and repairs for Model M's (along with their kentucky usa > made Model M's - they use the original tooling) I have owned Unicomp keyboards, and those made after a certain time, I think about 7 years ago, are _nothing like_ the real thing. And I can tell the difference because I'm typing on the real thing now, having found one in a yard sale for free :-) -- Please don't Cc: me privately on mailing lists and Usenet, if you also post the followup to the list or newsgroup. To reply privately _only_ on Usenet and on broken lists which rewrite From, fetch the TXT record for no-use.mooo.com.
[gentoo-user] Gtkam getting on my nerves, again.
Howdy, I use Gtkam to get pics from my Canon camera. I already put up with the fact that it crashes a LOT. It really gets on my nerves but sort of getting used to that. Now I have a new issue. When I tell it to save a picture to say /home/dale/Desktop/Documents/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ it always saves them to /home/dale. It does this regardless of what I have asked it to save them too. This used to work fine when I had this sort of thing mounted on a directory called /data. It would go something like this: /data/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ That would work fine. When I got my shiney new 3Tb drive, I moved all that over to my home directory and ever since then, Gtkam saves to the wrong place. I have changed the permissions for /home/dale and EVERYTHING under it but still get the same thing. I'm 99% sure it is not a permissions issue. This is what permissions look like: drwxrwxr-x 27 dale users 4096 Dec 9 2009 2009 drwxrwxr-x 37 dale users 4096 Nov 16 2011 2010 drwxrwxr-x 31 dale users 4096 Dec 30 2011 2011 drwxrwxr-x 20 dale users 4096 Nov 12 01:20 2012 drwxrwxr-x 4 dale users 4096 Jan 30 03:00 2013 [ebuild R ~] media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 USE=debug nls -gimp -gnome This is likely not Gtkam itself but some helper program. What could cause this? Anyone else run into this? While I'm at it, I have tried other programs too. DigiKam crashes when I try to connect to my Camera to download. It can't even think about getting pics. Thoughts? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Gtkam getting on my nerves, again.
I use Gtkam to get pics from my Canon camera. I already put up with the fact that it crashes a LOT. It really gets on my nerves but sort of getting used to that. Now I have a new issue. When I tell it to save a picture to say /home/dale/Desktop/Documents/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ it always saves them to /home/dale. It does this regardless of what I have asked it to save them too. This used to work fine when I had this sort of thing mounted on a directory called /data. It would go something like this: /data/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ That would work fine. When I got my shiney new 3Tb drive, I moved all that over to my home directory and ever since then, Gtkam saves to the wrong place. I have changed the permissions for /home/dale and EVERYTHING under it but still get the same thing. I'm 99% sure it is not a permissions issue. This is what permissions look like: drwxrwxr-x 27 dale users 4096 Dec 9 2009 2009 drwxrwxr-x 37 dale users 4096 Nov 16 2011 2010 drwxrwxr-x 31 dale users 4096 Dec 30 2011 2011 drwxrwxr-x 20 dale users 4096 Nov 12 01:20 2012 drwxrwxr-x 4 dale users 4096 Jan 30 03:00 2013 Grasping at straws here; from /home/dale try... chmod 777 Desktop ...and then try saving an image to Desktop. BTW, do you have pam or acl in use? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] perl's Chatbot::Eliza
On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 20:54 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote: On 23 December 2007, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Sonntag, 23. Dezember 2007 schrieb Uwe Thiem: any idea whether portage contains perl's Chatbot::Eliza. And if so, where I can find it? I looked around in portage but couldn't find it. Maybe it just isn't there. It doesn't need to be, you can emerge g-cpan and use it to emerge any perl module from cpan. Thanks! Got it by now. Eliza still is the amazing thing it was a couple of decades ago when Weizenbaum wrote it. ;-) WOW! how amazing and yet how obvious! I _have_ to try this out - this is something to show off... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au By the yard, life is hard. By the inch, it's a cinch. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many ways are there for a user to increase their permissions?
Am 17.04.2010 23:32, schrieb Jonathan: On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:45:57 +0100 David W Noondwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: In fact, POSIX capabilities are a mechanism to *reduce* a program's permissions, not increase them. It's true that Linux capabilities are used to replace SUID and that does reduce the programs permissions. On the other hand programs like Wine. Which no one would never run with SUID could be run with CAP_NET_RAW. That would be a increase in permissions. Wine needs to be able to ping because some program need to use IPX[1], Like Red Alert 2. Someone has made a patch for Red Alert 2 to use TCP/IP and I can not think of another program off the top of my head. That information came from man 7 capabilities. So I guess it's all about how you look at it. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internetwork_Packet_Exchange Sounds a little like putting someone in prison and than telling him walking through the prison yard is increasing his freedom. kh
Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply
On Saturday 03 July 2010 19:44:27 Mick wrote: Two things happened here on my end: My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the mail I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it should have been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a list not the inbox. I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with those I reply to all. When I replied, I hit A without thinking and only saw it after I pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up. This explains it! No worries, I was thinking that something went wrong somewhere along the chain but couldn't figure out if it was my Kmail that has been doing this lately. :-) The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time! -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:34:42 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: When I replied, I hit A without thinking and only saw it after I pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up. That's the likely explanation. I occasionally get direct replies from you, and they always appear in the list too. The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance A day? I thought it was per hour! That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time! I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :( -- Neil Bothwick Do I BELIEVE in the Bible?! HELL man, I've SEEN one!!! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time immemorial, without so much as a by-your-leave. Anyone who wants to delete his own work is free to do so, but the rest of us ought not to be required to suffer it. Doesn't matter to me, my longstanding rsync habit ensures there are always a couple of copies of my last known good configuration. Doesn't your carefully crafted work from time immemorial deserve rsync too? [cue rsync jingle] :) That's like saying that just because I have panel-beating skills and lots of scrap metal in the back yard that it's perfectly OK for marauding gangs of thugs to have at my car in the parking lots with baseball bats. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On 6/1/2011 5:47 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time immemorial, without so much as a by-your-leave. Anyone who wants to delete his own work is free to do so, but the rest of us ought not to be required to suffer it. Doesn't matter to me, my longstanding rsync habit ensures there are always a couple of copies of my last known good configuration. Doesn't your carefully crafted work from time immemorial deserve rsync too? [cue rsync jingle] :) That's like saying that just because I have panel-beating skills and lots of scrap metal in the back yard that it's perfectly OK for marauding gangs of thugs to have at my car in the parking lots with baseball bats. Best analogy ever.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:47:35AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time immemorial, without so much as a by-your-leave. Anyone who wants to delete his own work is free to do so, but the rest of us ought not to be required to suffer it. Doesn't matter to me, my longstanding rsync habit ensures there are always a couple of copies of my last known good configuration. Doesn't your carefully crafted work from time immemorial deserve rsync too? [cue rsync jingle] :) That's like saying that just because I have panel-beating skills and lots of scrap metal in the back yard that it's perfectly OK for marauding gangs of thugs to have at my car in the parking lots with baseball bats. Comapring a simple rsync command with hard physical labor? Nah... -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 05:00:03PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:05 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Indi did
opine
thusly:
scrap metal in the back yard that it's perfectly OK for marauding gangs
of thugs to have at my car in the parking lots with baseball bats.
Comapring a simple rsync command with hard physical labor?
Dude{,ss}
What exactly is your problem with me?
I get many replies from you with these little barbs in them. You do not do
that to anyone else.
If you think I'm a juvenile wanker, a jerk or someone in possession of a
miniscule penis, then come right out and say so. Get it out in the open so it
can go away and we can move on.
You are reading something I didn't write.
It's absurd to equate the issuing of a command with rebuilding a wrecked
car. That's the only thing I was saying. BTW, growing up my dad rebuilt
cars from wrecks, so maybe you just don't realize the incredible amount
of work you're comparing to typing a text string?
Sorry if you thought otherwise.
--
caveat utilitor
♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure
On June 14, 2017 10:43:33 PM GMT+02:00, Daniel Frey <djqf...@gmail.com> wrote: >On 06/14/2017 12:47 PM, Mick wrote: >> >> A long shot, but you never know if it will help in your case. >(Re)install >> kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1 and see if all this multiple-asking for >> permission goes away. It may just be that the KDE application in >question was >> working well with kwalletd:4, but not kwalletd:5. >> > >I'll try that later on, too busy digging in my yard. Stopped for a >break. > >I should mention I don't use kwallet, I turn that crap off. > >The device doing all the prompting was the phone itself. The phone >usually would ask once for permission but it seems to ask so quickly >you >can't respond to them causing the mtp driver to barf. > >Dan Android and iphones can be accessed as a USB drive. Doesn't this work? I found MTP unreliable both with Linux and MS Windows. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo RPi boot to ram or read-only FS?
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:16 PM Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2020-05-26, Frank Tarczynski wrote: > > > I'm building a video conference appliance using a Raspberry Pi 4 for > > my parents. > > Sorry, no advice running Gentoo on RPi. I run OSMC/Kodi on an older > RPi, and it works fine, but I don't think there are any video > conference apps for Kodi. > > But... > > For skype and zoom, I'd probably just buy them a 10" Kindle Fire. > > There are Zoom and Skype apps available for it. Main drawback: > smallish screen and limited to 4 video windows at a time in > zoom. However, it's portable: you can flip to the back camera and walk > around the house/yard to show something to people. It's also nice in > that you can just tap on a Zoom invite url in the email app, and it > "just works". > > I haven't trie Skype on Fire. > > You can add hangounts/duo, but you've got to futz around sideloading > the Google App store first. > > -- > Grant FYI, this project exists: https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo RPi boot to ram or read-only FS?
On 2020-05-26, Frank Tarczynski wrote: > I'm building a video conference appliance using a Raspberry Pi 4 for > my parents. Sorry, no advice running Gentoo on RPi. I run OSMC/Kodi on an older RPi, and it works fine, but I don't think there are any video conference apps for Kodi. But... For skype and zoom, I'd probably just buy them a 10" Kindle Fire. There are Zoom and Skype apps available for it. Main drawback: smallish screen and limited to 4 video windows at a time in zoom. However, it's portable: you can flip to the back camera and walk around the house/yard to show something to people. It's also nice in that you can just tap on a Zoom invite url in the email app, and it "just works". I haven't trie Skype on Fire. You can add hangounts/duo, but you've got to futz around sideloading the Google App store first. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Gtkam getting on my nerves, again.
On Saturday 02 Feb 2013 07:50:45 Dale wrote: Howdy, I use Gtkam to get pics from my Canon camera. I already put up with the fact that it crashes a LOT. It really gets on my nerves but sort of getting used to that. Now I have a new issue. When I tell it to save a picture to say /home/dale/Desktop/Documents/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ it always saves them to /home/dale. It does this regardless of what I have asked it to save them too. Is there a config file you can have a look at and see if it is hard coded in there as the default saving path? This used to work fine when I had this sort of thing mounted on a directory called /data. It would go something like this: /data/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ That would work fine. When I got my shiney new 3Tb drive, I moved all that over to my home directory and ever since then, Gtkam saves to the wrong place. I have changed the permissions for /home/dale and EVERYTHING under it but still get the same thing. I'm 99% sure it is not a permissions issue. This is what permissions look like: drwxrwxr-x 27 dale users 4096 Dec 9 2009 2009 drwxrwxr-x 37 dale users 4096 Nov 16 2011 2010 drwxrwxr-x 31 dale users 4096 Dec 30 2011 2011 drwxrwxr-x 20 dale users 4096 Nov 12 01:20 2012 drwxrwxr-x 4 dale users 4096 Jan 30 03:00 2013 [ebuild R ~] media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 USE=debug nls -gimp -gnome This is likely not Gtkam itself but some helper program. Not sure of helper programs involved, but Gtkam is just the GUI front for media-gfx/gphoto2. What could cause this? Anyone else run into this? While I'm at it, I have tried other programs too. DigiKam crashes when I try to connect to my Camera to download. It can't even think about getting pics. Thoughts? Could this be a hardware fault with your camera; the USB cable; it's powersupply? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gtkam getting on my nerves, again.
Walter Dnes wrote: I use Gtkam to get pics from my Canon camera. I already put up with the fact that it crashes a LOT. It really gets on my nerves but sort of getting used to that. Now I have a new issue. When I tell it to save a picture to say /home/dale/Desktop/Documents/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ it always saves them to /home/dale. It does this regardless of what I have asked it to save them too. This used to work fine when I had this sort of thing mounted on a directory called /data. It would go something like this: /data/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ That would work fine. When I got my shiney new 3Tb drive, I moved all that over to my home directory and ever since then, Gtkam saves to the wrong place. I have changed the permissions for /home/dale and EVERYTHING under it but still get the same thing. I'm 99% sure it is not a permissions issue. This is what permissions look like: drwxrwxr-x 27 dale users 4096 Dec 9 2009 2009 drwxrwxr-x 37 dale users 4096 Nov 16 2011 2010 drwxrwxr-x 31 dale users 4096 Dec 30 2011 2011 drwxrwxr-x 20 dale users 4096 Nov 12 01:20 2012 drwxrwxr-x 4 dale users 4096 Jan 30 03:00 2013 Grasping at straws here; from /home/dale try... chmod 777 Desktop ...and then try saving an image to Desktop. BTW, do you have pam or acl in use? Well, I cleaned out the camera pics so I'll have to take some more pics to test. After getting digikam to work by importing it through the card reader, I got all the pics downloaded. Then I cleaned out my card. Putting on the todo list. I'll reply when I get some results. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Gtkam getting on my nerves, again.
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 01:50:45AM -0600, Dale wrote: Howdy, I use Gtkam to get pics from my Canon camera. I already put up with the fact that it crashes a LOT. It really gets on my nerves but sort of getting used to that. Now I have a new issue. When I tell it to save a picture to say /home/dale/Desktop/Documents/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ it always saves them to /home/dale. It does this regardless of what I have asked it to save them too. This used to work fine when I had this sort of thing mounted on a directory called /data. It would go something like this: /data/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ That would work fine. When I got my shiney new 3Tb drive, I moved all that over to my home directory and ever since then, Gtkam saves to the wrong place. I have changed the permissions for /home/dale and EVERYTHING under it but still get the same thing. I'm 99% sure it is not a permissions issue. This is what permissions look like: drwxrwxr-x 27 dale users 4096 Dec 9 2009 2009 drwxrwxr-x 37 dale users 4096 Nov 16 2011 2010 drwxrwxr-x 31 dale users 4096 Dec 30 2011 2011 drwxrwxr-x 20 dale users 4096 Nov 12 01:20 2012 drwxrwxr-x 4 dale users 4096 Jan 30 03:00 2013 [ebuild R ~] media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 USE=debug nls -gimp -gnome This is likely not Gtkam itself but some helper program. What could cause this? Anyone else run into this? While I'm at it, I have tried other programs too. DigiKam crashes when I try to connect to my Camera to download. It can't even think about getting pics. Thoughts? Dale Being partial to CLI, and haven't experienced goofy GUI apps like that in the past, my choice is to remove the card from the camera (or use USB cable attached to the camera), plug the card into a card reader, and rsync the photos to my desired directory. Whereas GUI photo apps work good in the darkside, we're lacking in Gentoo. For my Canon EOS 20D this script is great: mingdao@workstation ~ $ cat scripts/transfer-photos.sh #!/bin/bash mount /Canon-EOS rsync -av /Canon-EOS/dcim/ /photos/ umount /Canon-EOS There is a directory /photos/, and the following in /etc/fstab: LABEL=EOS_DIGITAL /Canon-EOS vfat noauto,users,rw,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0113,shortname=lower 0 0 Works great here. Bruce -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Gtkam getting on my nerves, again.
Bruce Hill wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 01:50:45AM -0600, Dale wrote: Howdy, I use Gtkam to get pics from my Canon camera. I already put up with the fact that it crashes a LOT. It really gets on my nerves but sort of getting used to that. Now I have a new issue. When I tell it to save a picture to say /home/dale/Desktop/Documents/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ it always saves them to /home/dale. It does this regardless of what I have asked it to save them too. This used to work fine when I had this sort of thing mounted on a directory called /data. It would go something like this: /data/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ That would work fine. When I got my shiney new 3Tb drive, I moved all that over to my home directory and ever since then, Gtkam saves to the wrong place. I have changed the permissions for /home/dale and EVERYTHING under it but still get the same thing. I'm 99% sure it is not a permissions issue. This is what permissions look like: drwxrwxr-x 27 dale users 4096 Dec 9 2009 2009 drwxrwxr-x 37 dale users 4096 Nov 16 2011 2010 drwxrwxr-x 31 dale users 4096 Dec 30 2011 2011 drwxrwxr-x 20 dale users 4096 Nov 12 01:20 2012 drwxrwxr-x 4 dale users 4096 Jan 30 03:00 2013 [ebuild R ~] media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 USE=debug nls -gimp -gnome This is likely not Gtkam itself but some helper program. What could cause this? Anyone else run into this? While I'm at it, I have tried other programs too. DigiKam crashes when I try to connect to my Camera to download. It can't even think about getting pics. Thoughts? Dale Being partial to CLI, and haven't experienced goofy GUI apps like that in the past, my choice is to remove the card from the camera (or use USB cable attached to the camera), plug the card into a card reader, and rsync the photos to my desired directory. Whereas GUI photo apps work good in the darkside, we're lacking in Gentoo. For my Canon EOS 20D this script is great: mingdao@workstation ~ $ cat scripts/transfer-photos.sh #!/bin/bash mount /Canon-EOS rsync -av /Canon-EOS/dcim/ /photos/ umount /Canon-EOS There is a directory /photos/, and the following in /etc/fstab: LABEL=EOS_DIGITAL /Canon-EOS vfat noauto,users,rw,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0113,shortname=lower 0 0 Works great here. Bruce Well, one reason I use gtkam is that I can rename the pics as it transfers them over. I date code mine and sometimes add other hints to the name. If I just copy them over from the card reader, it uses the same name as the camera uses and that doesn't let me keep track as I like too. I may see if digikam will import from the card reader thingy tho. That *may* work. Still prefer to plug in my camera tho. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
On Friday 08 September 2006 17:59, Grant wrote: My main concern is the memory. My motherboad supports PC100 memory as well as a 133fsb although it's not running at that speed now. I'll have to crank it up to 133fsb to support the Tualatin CPU, In that case, you should buy as much 133MHz memory you can and install it after you set the jumpers on your MoBo for 133 FSB. The 100MHz RAM will work but drag everything down with it to 100MHz. That said I am not sure if the speed difference is worth the cost of the faster memory. You can google for some vintage hardware reviews to see what's the performance difference. When I looked into upgrading my PIII 600MHz Coppermine, I came to the conclusion that it was cheaper to buy a faster machine from Ebay complete with memory and all. Most of these upgrades make sense if you find a box with a totalled disk, RAM, CPU and use what's working and suitable for your needs. The alternative can be false economy. On the other hand there are IT fairs and back yard sales (depending where you live) where you could pick up a bargain - a mate won't let me forget that he picked up a 2.8GHz P4 from the streets of London two years ago and the only thing wrong with it was a jammed CD in the CDRW drive!!! Lucky guy! Good luck. :-) -- Regards, Mick pgpRJjgcbjdsL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] aterm into kterm?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:39:44PM +0200, Penguin Lover Nils Larsson squawked: Now, at work, the machines run some custom version of linux and I am not sure what the terminals are. And I also often use the VT and not use X on my laptop, so I am disinclined to set TERM in .bashrc. Well, bash is bash, it doesn't matter if you work machines use X or whatnot. Add: export TERM=xterm to ~/.bash_profile on your work machine account. I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I think I didn't explain myself clear. There are three machines involved. Server A Desktop B Laptop C I ssh into Server A from Desktop B and Laptop C. Desktop B is at work. I am not sure what terminal it uses. But it has no problems with the terminal. Laptop C is my personal machine, on which I run aterm usually. But when I ssh into Server A, echo $TERM shows kterm. (I just tried rxvt and xterm also on this machine, and $TERM is correctly listed for both.) Setting anything on Desktop B is unlikely to help. I don't want to set anything on Server A because I worry that it might break whatever is working currently from Desktop B. I don't think I should set anything on Laptop C in .bash* because I also use other terms occasionally and the VT. If my worries are unfounded, can you tell me why? W -- The fronting for the eighty-yard long marble-topped bar had been made by stitching together nearly twenty thousand Antarean Mosaic Lizard skins, despite the fact that the twenty thousand lizards concerned had needed them to keep their insides in. - The Book decribing Milliways' politically incorrect decor. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 1025 days, 21:10
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/1/2011 5:47 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time immemorial, without so much as a by-your-leave. Anyone who wants to delete his own work is free to do so, but the rest of us ought not to be required to suffer it. Doesn't matter to me, my longstanding rsync habit ensures there are always a couple of copies of my last known good configuration. Doesn't your carefully crafted work from time immemorial deserve rsync too? [cue rsync jingle] :) That's like saying that just because I have panel-beating skills and lots of scrap metal in the back yard that it's perfectly OK for marauding gangs of thugs to have at my car in the parking lots with baseball bats. Best analogy ever. Hardly, though it does have a lot of drama which is what matters to some. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:09 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/1/2011 5:47 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time immemorial, without so much as a by-your-leave. Anyone who wants to delete his own work is free to do so, but the rest of us ought not to be required to suffer it. Doesn't matter to me, my longstanding rsync habit ensures there are always a couple of copies of my last known good configuration. Doesn't your carefully crafted work from time immemorial deserve rsync too? [cue rsync jingle] :) That's like saying that just because I have panel-beating skills and lots of scrap metal in the back yard that it's perfectly OK for marauding gangs of thugs to have at my car in the parking lots with baseball bats. Best analogy ever. Hardly, though it does have a lot of drama which is what matters to some. :) Actually it's quite relevant. Just because I have and can use rsync to undo damage done by dubious features of portage is not a valid reason for portage to have dubious features. Which explains why portage by and large does not have dubious features. So it's a good analogy, differing only in degree of devastation. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning redundant configuration files
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 04:50:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 15:09 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/1/2011 5:47 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:00:01AM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: Personally, I'd be livid if portage were to remove my carefully crafted work from time immemorial, without so much as a by-your-leave. Anyone who wants to delete his own work is free to do so, but the rest of us ought not to be required to suffer it. Doesn't matter to me, my longstanding rsync habit ensures there are always a couple of copies of my last known good configuration. Doesn't your carefully crafted work from time immemorial deserve rsync too? [cue rsync jingle] :) That's like saying that just because I have panel-beating skills and lots of scrap metal in the back yard that it's perfectly OK for marauding gangs of thugs to have at my car in the parking lots with baseball bats. Best analogy ever. Hardly, though it does have a lot of drama which is what matters to some. :) Actually it's quite relevant. Just because I have and can use rsync to undo damage done by dubious features of portage is not a valid reason for portage to have dubious features. Which explains why portage by and large does not have dubious features. So it's a good analogy, differing only in degree of devastation. OK, if you say so. I guess the subject doesn't have the emotional charge for me it does for some. My point was pretty much makes no difference to me, long as I know what to expect and how it works. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...
Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey: On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I am naturally grumpy. Wonder what I am? Then again, does it matter? Then again, do I want to know? :/ You're naturally curious, and unafraid to push technical boundaries. Me, I'm just easily trolled. :) I am the curious type except for one thing. SNAKES. Seeing one on TV is fine but in real life, lead poisoning. O_O I have killed three this year in my yard or garden. My cat isn't dead a year and they are moving in on me. Technical boundaries, I'd like to push the Fedora dev doing the /usr and /var on / thing off my roof, holding a snake. lol My Dad used to always tell me that a snake is more scared of us than we are of it. I came back with this, does the snake wear Depends? I know I was close to needing mine. If the snake is more scared, then he lost his. o_O I need to take my meds. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it. If I wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap. Hey, it does install fairly fast but it is pretty crappy. LOL What? Me worry? Chill Dale. The Gentoo devs will get it there. And what will you do if Ubuntu doesn't boot? Learn another distro? Nahh... ;-) - Mark That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall and not format /home. It doesn't take to long and I'll be back up and running. I already keep a fairly up to date sysrescue so having something for some other distro wouldn't be a huge issue. See this mountain peak you think you see in front of you? The one you call Everest? You got it wrong about that mountain Dale. It's a little mole hill in the back yard. Make / big enough to contain /usr as well. Move stuff over and delete the /usr partition. Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no longer a problem. Sorted. But what about using LVM? People was all for me using it a while back and I want to use it, see other post, but now because of this, I'm not supposed to. Look left, look right, look left, look right. Get the idea? ROFL Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ruby 22
On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 22:21 -0400, John Covici wrote: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:20:04 -0400, > Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > > I deleted RUBYTARGETS from make.conf, ran eselect to make ruby22 the > default, but when I ran emerge --depclean I still have packages > pulling ruby21 as follows: > > Calculating dependencies .. . done! > dev-lang/ruby-2.1.10 pulled in by: > dev-ruby/hoe-3.13.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >dev-ruby/json-1.8.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/json-2.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/kpeg-1.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/maruku-0.7.3 requires dev- > lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/minitest-5.10.3 requires > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/net-telnet-0.1.1-r1 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >dev-ruby/power_assert-1.0.2 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/racc-1.4.14 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rake-12.0.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rdoc-5.1.0 requires dev- > lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rubygems-2.6.12 requires > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/test-unit-3.2.5 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >dev-ruby/yard-0.9.8 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > virtual/rubygems-13 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > virtual/rubygems-7 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > I tried a word ld update, but it didn't update any of those packages > -- any ideas of how to fix? Did you do an emerge @preserved-rebuild? I had the a similar problem but only for a couple of packages (racc and another one), it was quickly fixed that way. But I never had RUBY_TARGETS set so maybe YMMV. raffaele
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [TOT: Total offtopic]
On 04/01 04:24, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2018-04-01 12:04, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > > If you are unable to fix it yourself (but I think you can :D) Unicomp > > offers parts and repairs for Model M's (along with their kentucky usa > > made Model M's - they use the original tooling) > > I have owned Unicomp keyboards, and those made after a certain time, I > think about 7 years ago, are _nothing like_ the real thing. And I can > tell the difference because I'm typing on the real thing now, having > found one in a yard sale for free :-) Lucky you! :) Do you have experience in removing the steel back plate from the keyboard and later add it back with screws fixing the whole thing instead of the rivets, which needs to be removed for this? It is very very sad, that these wonderful keyboards are nor longer built with the same quality and feel of use. They are so great! There are some things in technology (ad not only there) that were done right just with the first attempt. Sweet spots in time they are. Cheers Meino > -- > Please don't Cc: me privately on mailing lists and Usenet, > if you also post the followup to the list or newsgroup. > To reply privately _only_ on Usenet and on broken lists > which rewrite From, fetch the TXT record for no-use.mooo.com. >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo RPi boot to ram or read-only FS?
That's the Gentoo version that I'm using. But I'm looking for a way to make it bullet-proof to having the plug pulled. Frank On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:19 PM Michael Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:16 PM Grant Edwards > wrote: > >> On 2020-05-26, Frank Tarczynski wrote: >> >> > I'm building a video conference appliance using a Raspberry Pi 4 for >> > my parents. >> >> Sorry, no advice running Gentoo on RPi. I run OSMC/Kodi on an older >> RPi, and it works fine, but I don't think there are any video >> conference apps for Kodi. >> >> But... >> >> For skype and zoom, I'd probably just buy them a 10" Kindle Fire. >> >> There are Zoom and Skype apps available for it. Main drawback: >> smallish screen and limited to 4 video windows at a time in >> zoom. However, it's portable: you can flip to the back camera and walk >> around the house/yard to show something to people. It's also nice in >> that you can just tap on a Zoom invite url in the email app, and it >> "just works". >> >> I haven't trie Skype on Fire. >> >> You can add hangounts/duo, but you've got to futz around sideloading >> the Google App store first. >> >> -- >> Grant > > > > FYI, this project exists: https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit >
Re: [gentoo-user] Gtkam getting on my nerves, again.
Mick wrote: On Saturday 02 Feb 2013 07:50:45 Dale wrote: Howdy, I use Gtkam to get pics from my Canon camera. I already put up with the fact that it crashes a LOT. It really gets on my nerves but sort of getting used to that. Now I have a new issue. When I tell it to save a picture to say /home/dale/Desktop/Documents/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ it always saves them to /home/dale. It does this regardless of what I have asked it to save them too. Is there a config file you can have a look at and see if it is hard coded in there as the default saving path? This used to work fine when I had this sort of thing mounted on a directory called /data. It would go something like this: /data/Camera-pics/2013/Yard/ That would work fine. When I got my shiney new 3Tb drive, I moved all that over to my home directory and ever since then, Gtkam saves to the wrong place. I have changed the permissions for /home/dale and EVERYTHING under it but still get the same thing. I'm 99% sure it is not a permissions issue. This is what permissions look like: drwxrwxr-x 27 dale users 4096 Dec 9 2009 2009 drwxrwxr-x 37 dale users 4096 Nov 16 2011 2010 drwxrwxr-x 31 dale users 4096 Dec 30 2011 2011 drwxrwxr-x 20 dale users 4096 Nov 12 01:20 2012 drwxrwxr-x 4 dale users 4096 Jan 30 03:00 2013 [ebuild R ~] media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 USE=debug nls -gimp -gnome This is likely not Gtkam itself but some helper program. Not sure of helper programs involved, but Gtkam is just the GUI front for media-gfx/gphoto2. I found the config file, it was in .gphoto instead of gtkam. That helped. I renamed it and it still does the same thing. I played with it a bit, it seems to just recall whatever was last used. If I change to a different directory, it just changes to the new location but still saves to /home/dale even tho that is not what is recorded in the file. So, it accepts what I tell it but does its own thing. Weird. This is the new error with a shiney new config: (gtkam:12081): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: clearlooks, (gtkam:12081): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: clearlooks, (gtkam:12081): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated (gtkam:12081): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated Google was no help on this error either. I noticed something else tho. I don't have gphoto2 installed here. I have libgphoto2 tho. Should I have gphoto2 installed too? root@fireball / # emerge -pv gphoto2 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] dev-libs/cdk-5.0.20090215 USE=-examples 420 kB [ebuild N ] media-gfx/gphoto2-2.4.14 USE=exif ncurses nls readline -aalib 654 kB Total: 2 packages (2 new), Size of downloads: 1,073 kB root@fireball / # equery list *photo* * Searching for *photo* ... [IP-] [ ] media-gfx/kphotoalbum-4.2:4 [IP-] [ ] media-libs/libgphoto2-2.5.0:0 root@fireball / # equery b gtkam * Searching for gtkam ... media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 (/usr/share/images/gtkam) media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 (/usr/share/gtkam) media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 (/usr/bin/gtkam) media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 (/usr/share/omf/gtkam) media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 (/usr/share/gnome/help/gtkam) root@fireball / # equery d libgphoto2 * These packages depend on libgphoto2: kde-base/kamera-4.9.5 (media-libs/libgphoto2) media-gfx/digikam-2.9.0 (gphoto2 ? media-libs/libgphoto2) media-gfx/gtkam-0.2.0 (=media-libs/libgphoto2-2.5.0) root@fireball / # So, gtkam pulled in libgphoto2 but should it also pull in gphoto2? What could cause this? Anyone else run into this? While I'm at it, I have tried other programs too. DigiKam crashes when I try to connect to my Camera to download. It can't even think about getting pics. Thoughts? Could this be a hardware fault with your camera; the USB cable; it's powersupply? I wondered the same thing, everything else works fine. I have a printer and a cell phone that I use with it and I have used other cameras with the same results. So, it is weird that other devices work error free but cameras have issues. It does make one wonder what is up with that. I may try one of the older style ports that is for USB1 devices. Then again, I think the camera is for the newer ports. May have to look in the manual again to be sure. Open to ideas still. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it. If I wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap. Hey, it does install fairly fast but it is pretty crappy. LOL What? Me worry? Chill Dale. The Gentoo devs will get it there. And what will you do if Ubuntu doesn't boot? Learn another distro? Nahh... ;-) - Mark That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall and not format /home. It doesn't take to long and I'll be back up and running. I already keep a fairly up to date sysrescue so having something for some other distro wouldn't be a huge issue. See this mountain peak you think you see in front of you? The one you call Everest? You got it wrong about that mountain Dale. It's a little mole hill in the back yard. Make / big enough to contain /usr as well. Move stuff over and delete the /usr partition. Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no longer a problem. Sorted. Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no idea how to fix it. None at all. I know the basics of what it does but no idea how to fix it when it breaks. That's where I am now with regard to my other post. I can't su to root when using the init thingy but can when I don't use the init thingy. I have no clue where to even start to fix it. Is it dracut itself? Is it some script? Is it some option I gave it that conflicts with something else? I have absolutely no idea why but I know it has something to do with me using the init thingy since it works fine without it. Me clueless since this is something I tried to avoid in the past and not sure why it is needed now either. More questions than answers for sure. Dale :-) :-) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: 4th ::+ 5th
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: I still cannot remember Berlin. probably for the best. I still can remember Berlin and I wish I wouldn't. The lakes around here are filled with idiots. Not going there. The rest is thick spruce forests. No air movement. Sticky. Hot. I'm in Tampa:: humidity capital of the world. We regularly deepfry mathematics by exceeding 100% humidity. The hot air outside actually sweats on you. The heat is so bad, it makes everyone stupid here . We have no nude beaches.. So far this year Florida is out pacing all the world in Shark attacks (17 since January) [something they do not tell tourists] so it's not a boring summer to say the least. We have these hugely fat and numerous sea cows often called manatees that swim at about 1 mile per hour and now there all surprised by the number of Bull, Tiger and White sharks close in to the beaches.. On the news some idiot showed footage of and 18' white shark, from his 12' sea kayak. It was really funny once he realized that the shark was actually sizing him up, by bumping his kayak repeatedly. This is one of the best things about the greenies I love:: let the predators get really big and overpopulate, then do another decade of research. I have a 18' Alligator in the river near my house. There are only suppose to rarely grow to 16' ( if you believe those idiot biologies from up north around NYC). Oh, and crocs and gators kill more humans, world wide, than all other species (minus humanoids) combined We're now having gator hunts year round cause the population of *BIG GATORS* is out of control. Put a gator in your back yard in DE. ? You'd be a hit with the neighbours... There mouths are twice the width and 4 times stronger than a croc of equal length. The only crocs in Florida are in the ocean and edge of land, cause the gators eat them, routinely. A 16' gator can easily be 6' wide. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi, > > The master portage spakes again. > And the novice was *not* enlightened... > > > Total: 17 packages (11 upgrades, 4 new, 1 in new slot, 1 reinstall), Size of > downloads: 25097 KiB > Conflict: 4 blocks (4 unsatisfied) > > * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be > * installed at the same time on the same system. > > (sys-fs/udev-225-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by > sys-fs/udev required by @selected > >=sys-fs/udev-208-r1 required by (virtual/udev-215:0/0::gentoo, installed) > > >=sys-fs/udev-208-r1:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?,static-libs?] > (>=sys-fs/udev-208-r1:0/0[abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)]) required by > (virtual/libudev-215-r1:0/1::gentoo, installed) > > (sys-apps/systemd-226-r2:0/2::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in > by > >=sys-apps/systemd-207 required by > (sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration-6:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for > merge) > sys-apps/systemd required by (virtual/tmpfiles-0:0/0::gentoo, ebuild > scheduled for merge) > sys-apps/systemd:0= required by (sys-apps/dbus-1.10.12:0/0::gentoo, > ebuild scheduled for merge) > > > For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following > section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant): > > > I have no systemd installed...my Linux is running good ole openrc... > Why all these systemd blockers? > > Confused... > Cheers > Meino > When I run into this sort of thing, I add the -t option. When it spits out the list then, it shows what is pulling in what. For some reason I can't quite put a finger on, it looks like a USE flag is starting this. If it is saying why that is, I'm not consciously seeing it. At the moment, I do sort of have PVC pipe on the brain. Woke up to a plumbing problem. Having a yard full of water was my first clue. It hasn't rained that recently, although it sure did look like it. Actually, my first thought was a flood. :/ I dread the water bill for this one. Hope that -t will shed some light on it. Dale :-) :-) P. S. I ran into a blocker the other day. It seems emerge has a nifty new option. It is --verbose-conflicts . I haven't quite got around to peeking into the man page to see what it does just yet. It just mentions that it should spit out more info. Naturally, you still need a decoder. lol
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ruby 22
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:20:04 -0400, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > > On 08/21/2017 10:13 AM, allan gottlieb wrote: > > > > I issued emerge --pretend --verbose --depclean =ruby-2.1.9 > > and the response was > > > > dev-lang/ruby > > selected: 2.1.9 > > protected: none > > omitted: 2.2.6 > > > > Am I correct in believing it is now safe to issue > > > >emerge --depclean =ruby-2.1.9 > > > > thanks, > > allan > > > > Yes, that should be fine. I rarely look at portage output and > just run `emerge -uDN @world' and `emerge --depclean' right after > one another, and it always works fine for ruby/python upgrades. > > The devs have done such a good job in general that I haven't had > any problems just running these commands the past couple years. I deleted RUBYTARGETS from make.conf, ran eselect to make ruby22 the default, but when I ran emerge --depclean I still have packages pulling ruby21 as follows: Calculating dependencies .. . done! dev-lang/ruby-2.1.10 pulled in by: dev-ruby/hoe-3.13.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/json-1.8.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/json-2.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/kpeg-1.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/maruku-0.7.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/minitest-5.10.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/net-telnet-0.1.1-r1 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/power_assert-1.0.2 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/racc-1.4.14 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/rake-12.0.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/rdoc-5.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/rubygems-2.6.12 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/test-unit-3.2.5 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 dev-ruby/yard-0.9.8 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 virtual/rubygems-13 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 virtual/rubygems-7 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 I tried a word ld update, but it didn't update any of those packages -- any ideas of how to fix? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ruby 22
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 02:58:31 -0400, Raffaele Belardi wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 22:21 -0400, John Covici wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:20:04 -0400, > > Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > > > > I deleted RUBYTARGETS from make.conf, ran eselect to make ruby22 the > > default, but when I ran emerge --depclean I still have packages > > pulling ruby21 as follows: > > > > Calculating dependencies .. . done! > > dev-lang/ruby-2.1.10 pulled in by: > > dev-ruby/hoe-3.13.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/json-1.8.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/json-2.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/kpeg-1.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > >dev-ruby/maruku-0.7.3 requires dev- > > lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/minitest-5.10.3 requires > > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/net-telnet-0.1.1-r1 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/power_assert-1.0.2 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/racc-1.4.14 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/rake-12.0.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > >dev-ruby/rdoc-5.1.0 requires dev- > > lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/rubygems-2.6.12 requires > > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/test-unit-3.2.5 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/yard-0.9.8 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > virtual/rubygems-13 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > virtual/rubygems-7 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > > > I tried a word ld update, but it didn't update any of those packages > > -- any ideas of how to fix? > > Did you do an emerge @preserved-rebuild? I had the a similar problem > but only for a couple of packages (racc and another one), it was > quickly fixed that way. But I never had RUBY_TARGETS set so maybe YMMV. There are no libraries listed for rebuilding, emerge @preserved-rebuild says 0 packages. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ruby 22
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 07:57:39AM -0400, John Covici wrote: > > > > I deleted RUBYTARGETS from make.conf, ran eselect to make ruby22 the > > default, but when I ran emerge --depclean I still have packages > > pulling ruby21 as follows: > > > > Calculating dependencies .. . done! > > dev-lang/ruby-2.1.10 pulled in by: > > dev-ruby/hoe-3.13.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/json-1.8.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/json-2.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/kpeg-1.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/maruku-0.7.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/minitest-5.10.3 requires > > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/net-telnet-0.1.1-r1 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/power_assert-1.0.2 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/racc-1.4.14 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/rake-12.0.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/rdoc-5.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/rubygems-2.6.12 requires > > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/test-unit-3.2.5 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > dev-ruby/yard-0.9.8 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > virtual/rubygems-13 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > virtual/rubygems-7 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > > > I tried a word ld update, but it didn't update any of those packages > > -- any ideas of how to fix? > > > > I use the following arguments when I run updates: > --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --changed-use --backtrack=120 > --keep-goingworld > > Do I need to use new-use instead? I'm not sure; I always use new-use. If you haven't synced and updated recently, you may have issues as the default profiles still had ruby-2.1 listed in them. Alec
Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 dmesg error
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 04:45:29PM +0100, Penguin Lover Rafael Fern??ndez L??pez squawked: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rafael Fern??ndez L??pez wrote: Marco Calviani wrote: Hi list, i'm running gentoo on a laptop with a ipw2200 wireless card. I'm running the current ipw2200 stable version, that is ipw2200-1.0.8-r1. It is running well but when used i'm seeing in the kernel messages the following messages: ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log captured. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. Is this a known issue of these drivers? Thanks in advance, MC I remember seeing that with older versions of ipw2200, didn't see it with a not very recent version, and am seeing the one below with the current ~x86 ones. (I think the one that worked was ipw2200 1.0.2 with firmware 2.3, I don't have my laptop handy to check.) The problem, it seems, has been reported: For 1.0.8 http://www.bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=853 For 1.0.10 http://www.bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=888 To summarize: setting hwcrypt=0 makes connection slightly more stable; though the firmware error still exists, the connection usually won't be dropped. And by personal anecdote of the bug reporter, 1.0.10 'seems' to have fewer firmware errors, FWIW. HTH, W Sorry I did a dmesg and that message shows for me too... but less times [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ dmesg | grep ipw2200 ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.0.10 ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2005 Intel Corporation ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection ipw2200: Unknown notification: subtype=40,flags=0xa0,size=40 ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log captured. ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists. -- The fronting for the eighty-yard long marble-topped bar had been made by stitching together nearly twenty thousand Antarean Mosaic Lizard skins, despite the fact that the twenty thousand lizards concerned had needed them to keep their insides in. - The Book decribing Milliways' politically incorrect decor. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 64 days, 11:49 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives
Joerg Schilling wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Thing is, what is on the CD works for me. I been using cp for a long time and unless it stops working, I don't plan to switch. My current Didn't you complain about gcp? Nope. I didn't complain about. Never heard of until this thread that I can recall. I haven't complained about gcp, cp or anything that I recall. According to other posts, you wrote the program. Why not talk to the people that make the CD and make your points on why it should be included? If they are valid then maybe they will. If not, life goes on. AFAIR, the people who cretaed this CD have not been mentioned. But people who work on a Life CD should know the oldest free TAR implementation and people who use GNU tar should know about the various bugs in GNU tar and why it makes sense to avoid GNU tar if you know that star is available. Star is written and maintained by the same person since 27 years while GNU tar is the first victim of the social deficits of RMS. RMS did cause the GNU tar maintainers to run away three times because they could not stand the paternalism from RMS. GNU tar does not support any Linux specific feature altough it would be needed, star does support Linux specific features. The only explanation I see for GNU tar usually being the only tar on Linux is that there are scripts that depend on Bugs in GNU tar. Sysadmins of bigger sites prefer star for many tasks that could also be done by other software. If you like to reduce the time to work on some tasks, you first need to spend some hours to learn about the features in star. In total you save time I know it was not you but another person did mention some text written by a person called fele who has no clue. Discussing the way to do work best cannot be based on people who have no clue and starting to use new software always takes some time. People who know me know that I am always happy to help explaining how to use my software but I am doing this only if there is interest. Jörg Well, I asked the question if star was on the Gentoo live CD. It was posted that it was not on the CD. I don't know myself so I asked. Then it was mentioned that I should ask for it to be on the CD when I don't plan to use star anyway. Since it doesn't matter to me one way or the other, I thought it may be better for someone who does want it on the CD to ask rather than me, who doesn't really matter either way. It is true that you are very helpful with whatever you are familiar with. Thanks much for that. We all need a little help from time to time. We all run into that stump sometimes. Heck, I got a big ole stump in my front yard that I been bumping with the tractor. I think the ants are doing better than the tractor. o_O They just take a little longer. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ruby 22
RUBY_TARGET Is an expanded use flag so ypu need to run emerge - - update - - newuse @world to apply the change. The depclean should work, Just check for stray ruby settings in /etc/portage. On 22 August 2017 05:21:23 EEST, John Covici <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote: >On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:20:04 -0400, >Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >> >> >> On 08/21/2017 10:13 AM, allan gottlieb wrote: >> > >> > I issued emerge --pretend --verbose --depclean =ruby-2.1.9 >> > and the response was >> > >> > dev-lang/ruby >> > selected: 2.1.9 >> > protected: none >> > omitted: 2.2.6 >> > >> > Am I correct in believing it is now safe to issue >> > >> >emerge --depclean =ruby-2.1.9 >> > >> > thanks, >> > allan >> > >> >> Yes, that should be fine. I rarely look at portage output and >> just run `emerge -uDN @world' and `emerge --depclean' right after >> one another, and it always works fine for ruby/python upgrades. >> >> The devs have done such a good job in general that I haven't had >> any problems just running these commands the past couple years. > >I deleted RUBYTARGETS from make.conf, ran eselect to make ruby22 the >default, but when I ran emerge --depclean I still have packages >pulling ruby21 as follows: > >Calculating dependencies .. . done! > dev-lang/ruby-2.1.10 pulled in by: > dev-ruby/hoe-3.13.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >dev-ruby/json-1.8.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/json-2.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/kpeg-1.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/maruku-0.7.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/minitest-5.10.3 requires > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/net-telnet-0.1.1-r1 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >dev-ruby/power_assert-1.0.2 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/racc-1.4.14 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rake-12.0.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rdoc-5.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rubygems-2.6.12 requires > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/test-unit-3.2.5 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >dev-ruby/yard-0.9.8 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > virtual/rubygems-13 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > virtual/rubygems-7 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > >I tried a word ld update, but it didn't update any of those packages >-- any ideas of how to fix? > >-- >Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >How do >you spend it? > > John Covici > cov...@ccs.covici.com In -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ruby 22
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:16:55 -0400, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > [1 ] > [2 ] > RUBY_TARGET Is an expanded use flag so ypu need to run emerge - - update - - > newuse @world to apply the change. The depclean should work, > Just check for stray ruby settings in /etc/portage. > > On 22 August 2017 05:21:23 EEST, John Covici <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:20:04 -0400, > Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > > > On 08/21/2017 10:13 AM, allan gottlieb wrote: > > > I issued emerge --pretend --verbose --depclean =ruby-2.1.9 > and the response was > >dev-lang/ruby > selected: 2.1.9 > protected: none >omitted: 2.2.6 > > Am I correct in believing it is now safe to issue > > emerge --depclean =ruby-2.1.9 > > thanks, > allan > > > Yes, that should be fine. I rarely look at portage output and > just run `emerge -uDN @world' and `emerge --depclean' right after > one another, and it always works fine for ruby/python upgrades. > > The devs have done such a good job in general that I haven't had > any problems just running these commands the past couple years. > > I deleted RUBYTARGETS from make.conf, ran eselect to make ruby22 the > default, but when I ran emerge --depclean I still have packages > pulling ruby21 as follows: > > Calculating dependencies .. . done! > dev-lang/ruby-2.1.10 pulled in by: > dev-ruby/hoe-3.13.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/json-1.8.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/json-2.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/kpeg-1.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/maruku-0.7.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/minitest-5.10.3 requires > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/net-telnet-0.1.1-r1 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/power_assert-1.0.2 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/racc-1.4.14 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rake-12.0.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rdoc-5.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/rubygems-2.6.12 requires > dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/test-unit-3.2.5 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > dev-ruby/yard-0.9.8 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > virtual/rubygems-13 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > virtual/rubygems-7 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 > > I tried a word ld update, but it didn't update any of those packages > -- any ideas of how to fix? > I use the following arguments when I run updates: --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --changed-use --backtrack=120 --keep-goingworld Do I need to use new-use instead? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ruby 22
John Covici wrote: > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:16:55 -0400, > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> [1 ] >> [2 ] >> RUBY_TARGET Is an expanded use flag so ypu need to run emerge - - update - - >> newuse @world to apply the change. The depclean should work, >> Just check for stray ruby settings in /etc/portage. >> >> On 22 August 2017 05:21:23 EEST, John Covici <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:20:04 -0400, >> Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >> >> >> >> On 08/21/2017 10:13 AM, allan gottlieb wrote: >> >> >> I issued emerge --pretend --verbose --depclean =ruby-2.1.9 >> and the response was >> >>dev-lang/ruby >> selected: 2.1.9 >> protected: none >>omitted: 2.2.6 >> >> Am I correct in believing it is now safe to issue >> >> emerge --depclean =ruby-2.1.9 >> >> thanks, >> allan >> >> >> Yes, that should be fine. I rarely look at portage output and >> just run `emerge -uDN @world' and `emerge --depclean' right after >> one another, and it always works fine for ruby/python upgrades. >> >> The devs have done such a good job in general that I haven't had >> any problems just running these commands the past couple years. >> >> I deleted RUBYTARGETS from make.conf, ran eselect to make ruby22 the >> default, but when I ran emerge --depclean I still have packages >> pulling ruby21 as follows: >> >> Calculating dependencies .. . done! >> dev-lang/ruby-2.1.10 pulled in by: >> dev-ruby/hoe-3.13.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/json-1.8.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/json-2.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/kpeg-1.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/maruku-0.7.3 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/minitest-5.10.3 requires >> dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/net-telnet-0.1.1-r1 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/power_assert-1.0.2 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/racc-1.4.14 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/rake-12.0.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/rdoc-5.1.0 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/rubygems-2.6.12 requires >> dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/test-unit-3.2.5 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> dev-ruby/yard-0.9.8 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> virtual/rubygems-13 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> virtual/rubygems-7 requires dev-lang/ruby:2.1 >> >> I tried a word ld update, but it didn't update any of those packages >> -- any ideas of how to fix? >> > I use the following arguments when I run updates: > --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --changed-use --backtrack=120 > --keep-goingworld > > Do I need to use new-use instead? > Over the years, I've updated my update process to what causes the least issues, for me at least. This is what I type in: eix-sync && emerge -uaDN world This is the settings I have in make.conf: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y --backtrack=100 --keep-going -v -j8 --quiet-build=n -1 --unordered-display" Obviously some may need to be set differently, like the -j8 part, for your system but some of that helps no matter what system you use. The -1 for example keeps the world file clean since you have to put effort into adding something to it. One could add it to the world file directly or use the --select y option. Either way, nothing gets added to the world file because you forgot to use the -1 option. The backtrack, so far 100 has worked. If I start to have issues that a higher number fixes, it will be upped to that number. Over time, some things have been removed since they were no longer needed. Your mileage may vary but could give you a good starting point. Took me years to get to that simple line. ;-) If anyone is interested, I could post some other things from make.conf I've picked up over the years. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Memory manager
Mick wrote: > On Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:03:42 BST Dale wrote: >> Here's the >> thing about using swap on my rig, once it does, the system gets >> extremely slow. Even switching desktops can take a minute or longer. >> Other than trying to get to what is eating up memory and killing it, the >> system is virtually useless. Even my video stops playing. > Swapping can bring the system to its knees, but only under certain operating > scenarios. This is how I understand it works: > > Say you're browsing and keep opening tabs. The browser application will > preemptively allocate memory for more tabs, in case you carry on opening even > more tabs. Then you open yet another big application in terms of memory > usage > and start running it. The kernel will reallocate some of the browser memory > not currently utilised to the other application and keep things working > smoothly. With more applications/tabs being opened you will eventually run > out of RAM and the kernel will swap some of the memory pages to disk. The > swapping is meant to be selective, i.e. things you haven't used in a while > will be taken out of RAM and saved onto your disk. > > Under the above scenario you may notice a momentary latency on your desktop > as > data is swapped onto the disk, but afterwards the desktop should be > responsive > once more - unless more swapping is again demanded by your actions. If you > try to access an application which has had parts of its memory allocation > swapped out to disk you will notice a delay in its reactions. > > Now, in a gentoo scenario, say a mammoth compile like Chromium, with a large > count of jobs specified for it, you could end up swapping part or all of one > or more jobs into memory, only to swap it out again in order to process it. > The compile keeps swapping in and out a job at a time in order to carry on > compiling. The disk thrashing is now continuous and indeed interacting with > your desktop will be painful - potentially waiting for minutes at a time > before an application responds. The way out of this bottleneck is to either > increase your RAM, or minimise the use of memory by reducing the job count in > MAKEOPTS. Shutting down desktop applications and login out of any desktop > sessions to release RAM will also help. > > On a laptop with 4G RAM compiling Chromium is quite challenging when even a > single gcc job could grow to 3G or more. Swapping and a disk I/O bottleneck > becomes unavoidable and moving the compile of binaries to a bigger PC becomes > a rather wise solution. > > Another occasion when swapping can cause havoc is when you have a memory leak > due to some buggy application and all your RAM followed by swap is chewed up > until an OOM ensues. > > For these reasons I always set up swap on my gentoo systems. What you describe in your first scenario, that is when it is so slow and virtually unresponsive. I don't generally run out of memory when compiling since I close other stuff, like Firefox, to free up memory, even in the 16GB days. What I run into is a tab, or tabs, in Firefox that are chewing through memory like a hungry junk yard dog on a crook. When Firefox does that, it is slow, extremely slow. When I get to where I can see what is going on, it is still slow to even close or kill that process. If I get to a Konsole, I usually run htop and kill it from there. Thing is, it may take a minute even for htop to start and show the problem. That's a fairly small program but it can take a minute or two to even load and show its screen. I have two sites in particular that does this. They run for days with no problem and I may not even be using that tab or that site. Then it's like it gets mad and starts using more and more memory. I have caught it in time to just refresh the tab and it go back to normal. Once it starts using swap tho, it's very slow. I wish Firefox had a way to fix that out of control memory usage. It may not be Firefox itself doing it but it would seem it can see something isn't right and put a stop to it. It's sad when a Linux desktop has 32GBs of memory eat up like that, usually by one program at that. Still, no swap at all would result in a crash or reset. It's better than nothing but I wish the root cause could be fixed. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?
On 5/6/20 11:39 PM, Dale wrote: Pengcheng Xu wrote: Sorry for possible necroposting, but I'm pretty interested what's happening in this thread, as there seems to be detailed discussion on topics under this "Is Gentoo dead?" clickbait subject. The whole conversation list does not even fit in a single screen... Would someone kindly provide some clue what's going on? Regards, Well, it is about Gentoo and the perception someone had that Gentoo is dying, which has been claimed for many, many years now.� Then the thread started taking off into other directions.� It got slightly off topic, very off topic a couple times and then back on topic. These threads tend to bring out quite a few responses and most can't resist posting, myself included in that as well.� I might add, there threads are usually started by a newcomer and typically they disappear when they realize how active Gentoo really is.� The OP for this thread posted for a couple days and I don't see any posts after that.� Most likely, unsubscribed and long gone. If you enjoy using Gentoo, or if you don't, if you skip this thread, you won't be missing a whole lot.� I don't recall any breaking news or life saving tips in it.� ROFL Dale :-)� :-) Spot on. Similarly, folks, mostly youngsters, have been predicting the death of 'C'. There are a multitude of reasons C is still the go to language and ought to be mandatory for folks to learn BEFORE any other language. C gives us freedom, and with C, there is no Unix, BSD, or linux, ymmv. Go read this before bashing an old computer scientist: "Programming language C is back in the number one spot" https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ So I wonder how many of the Gentoo naysayers, actually have written any significant code in C? Pointer please. Arguably the hottest piece of code, was written (mostly) by a Gentoo aficionado: none other that Jason Donefeld, in guess what language? C Gentoo is C centric, since the beginning, whilst enabling a plethora of other languages, that have their place and are, for the most part, wonderful. Anyone attacks, or speaks poorly of Gentoo, is pretty much clueless. Last time I looked, it's still rated as one of the top Linux distros, of all time, when you consider a 20 year perspective. Today, Gentoo seeks to run off the lazy, the inept and those that want to trivialize computational complexities.Ubuntu, Mint and others are more well suited for the masses, the lazy and the inept. Not to mention Gentoo was the foundation of CoreOS. CoreOS advance many 'hot swap kernel' tricks and was purchased by Redhat, as Traditional Redhat is arcane, crusty and bloated. IBM, on their deathbed, has purchased Redhat(basically a gentoo derivative now) and is failing in most of their other business dealings; because they lack real computer scientists in their upper management. Gentoo was, always has, and is still 'kicking ass'; real coders know this, they just keep silent, cause they are MAKING MONEY, off of Gentoo. Gentoo Embedded is a whole other EMPIRE, where folks take credit for building products on embedded systems. GENTOO is still the world's greatest secret in computer science. Here's a tidbit: The hacker, from the inside, that's right an IBM employee at Watson, used Gentoo to hack the shit out of AIX. That was at the point, the main reason, IBM abandoned that looser distro call AIX. Now IBM, via purchasing RedHat (coreOS <== Gentoo) has taken over 20 years, to realize GENTOO is the greatest linux distro of all time. So I cannot help but feel sorry, for the kids, that the universities do not teach C/Unix/BSD/Linux with any dose of credibility. New is sexy, but statistically, 99% of new fades, often rapidly. Just look at the bone-yard of linux distros and fancy programming languages. The (IBM) stench is deep. 'Smarty Pants' has recently left his creation of CoreOS; I guess even the IBM stench was too much for even him, despite making millions and millions. GENTOO IS THE GREATEST DISTRO EVER! Only the original, historical unix distros come close. Unix is the real reason AT was broken up. All that other noise is just a smoke screen, financial maneuvering and just big business. GTE and Honeywell quickly rolled their own 'unix', and the rest is history the universities do not teach, sadly. Don't even get me started on SunOS, and the evil that pursued those lawyers. be blessed, James
[gentoo-user] Me, and how to troll LIKE A BOSS.
Hello, Let me introduce myself again. I'm 38. I have no job, I have not had a job in 4 years. I can't get a job because I have not had job in 4 years. Literally, nobody will hire me. My computer is six years old. All I want it to do is just keep working the way it did last week. My health has been declining because I can't afford to take care of myself. I have no social life either. I would like to do more with my computer but it is a constant battle of treading water. That's why I have zero tolerance for the shit I've been taking from Gentoo recently. =| Now, about my trolling style. The #1 secret of trolling is don't do the trolling yourself. The most powerful troll possible is to engineer a chain reaction on a list and then use the most well engineered provocation possible to set it off then go silent. Your silence establishes an echo-chamber effect that can amplify to very satisfying levels without putting yourself at risk of being banned. The problem is that I allowed myself to become enraged to the point of being completely livid, and I responded to one of the damn penguins. That's what got me banned. Okay, so how do you engineer a good trigger? Well, the best triggers come from a core of sincerity. There will not be a reaction if the message does not come from a genuine earnestness. It helps if you put several days of research into the subject you are trolling about, actually make an effort to solve your problems on your own. Work at it enough to feel frustrated and begin to suspect a conspiracy is trying to hide information from you. When you reach this point, you are ready to troll. Lets take an example. I wanted to write my own OS for many years, that was nothing like Linux because linux sucks balls. Did then; does now; will tomorrow too. Now you can do it assembler. Really, you can! =P -- But that's not sane. So you want to be able to use your regular compilers. Of course the compilers were written assuming that they will never run on or target any operating system that doesn't work Just Like Unix. The books on operating systems won't help you. The books on compilers won't tell you how to re-target GCC. The GCC manuals, at least ten years ago, were shit. The answers you need are in this book, now free, called "Linkers & Loaders" by Levine. This actually gives you the historical and theoretical perspective of on how this motherfucker actually works. Actually, the most useful information is from a whitepaper by Intel about the ELF file format. Now putting all this together and getting GCC and your loader working together would require a degree of OCD well beyond my own. But what Levine did was basically write down a body of knowledge from a secret oral tradition that is not accessible to people not in the club. This secret oral tradition, evidently, covers massive volumes of information that periodically bytes me on the ass when I can't get shit compiled. Try it. Think of something you can't do, try to look it up, then talk to some BASH aficionado/VI user... He might say something terse that might solve it but doesn't really help you because you can't write it down fast enough to remember it or, if you did, have no hope of understanding what's actually going on... Alternatively, if you are one of the initiates, think of the trickiest thing you did yesterday. Where is it written down how to do it? How in the hell would someone go about learning that? Well, they would ask you... Which is why they resent you so much... Because they (and me) know I'm not getting the most out of my machine because The manpages were written for people who already knew the fucking answer, it's just a reminder of the syntax, so no there really is no way to learn most of this shit. Anyway, you're frustrated, so now it's time to flame, rather, flame *bait*. Go directly to the core of your frustration. Observe how I started my latest troll. I talked about how the penguins waddle around telling you that you're doing it wrong. The next twenty posts were examples of penguins waddling around telling me that I'm doing it wrong. So yes, I nailed them hard. So yeah, you need to research pretty hard to find what will make them squeal. It's like playing darts or archery, the better your aim, the higher your score. If you land one in their back yard, they will flame you, which will trigger a cascade, which means you can get out your lawn chair and an iced tea. Once you do this successfully once, the group will become hot-wired and your next one will be more effective because your previous one fertilized the ground. Another critical point is the frequency of trolling. The ideal frequency is not less than about 4 months and not more than about 9 months, the fertilization effect probably doesn't last more than 18 months or so. If you time it right, a new phenomenon occours, the Voice of God effect. It's like when people expect to hear you say something, and then have to wait several weeks fo
