[gentoo-user] Re: Assistance if possible

2012-03-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/03/12 06:15, Colleen Beamer wrote: However, activitymanager can't be reinstalled because there isn't an upgrade to 4.8.1. Since I went about things the way I did, I can't get this package installed because everything else is upgraded to 4.8.1 and activitymanager's latest version is 4.7.4.

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: snip initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 18, 2012 at 2:30 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: snip initramfs side of things. I did have to use one

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:37:49PM +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote On 03/17/2012 03:51 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: The page will be permanently under construction, i.e. evolving as we find out more about how mdev works. Unless you want to maintain total control of the data flow I would suggest

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 18, 2012 at 2:30 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Graham Murray
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes: * Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9 lines of sshd.service: $ cat /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service [Unit] Description=SSH Secure Shell Service

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Walter Dnes
For more information on why this has been done, see the following URL: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken s/separate-usr/systemd and udev/ Too bad I'm not a developer. If udev and systemd become mandatory on Gentoo, I'll seriously consider LFS (Linux From

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-18 Thread Dale
Here's a update on this mess. I resynced and did the updates. One of the packages was shadow. There was some others that I don't think is related. So, after that it worked. I had booted WITH NO init thingy. So, after making sure it was working and I was sane again, I rebooted WITH the init

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:37:49PM +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote On 03/17/2012 03:51 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: The page will be permanently under construction, i.e. evolving as we find out more about how mdev works.

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:37:49PM +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote On 03/17/2012 03:51 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: The page will be permanently under

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Graham Murray gra...@gmurray.org.uk wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes: * Really simple service unit files: The service unit files are really small, really simple, really easy to understand/modify. Compare the 9 lines of sshd.service: $ cat

[gentoo-user] I get trouble with my bcm4312 wl card!

2012-03-18 Thread 林守磊
Hi~ I drive my bcm4312 by module b43 and firmware , learned from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 It is drive successfully, but when I start my openvpn , it looks like that the kernel is crashed. The kernel log : [13446.745188] sched: RT throttling activated [15653.842657] tun:

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Dale
pk wrote: On 2012-03-17 21:09, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: seriously, you have seemed to miss some news. There is a move by redhatco to move almost everything from / to /usr. With nothing left than some mountpoints - why put / on its own partition? There is nothing to contain apart

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote: genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me. just emerege genkernel and then use genkerenl --menuconfig all it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel compiling. you have

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-18 Thread pk
On 2012-03-18 04:11, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: Am I eternally confused? I have no idea... besides, eternity is a long time... ;-) su - change user ID or become superuser It's not _only_ to become root (maybe theoretically if you only have one normal user). On a true multiuser system you can

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 18, 2012 3:45 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:37:49PM +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote On 03/17/2012

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 18, 2012 3:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If the config file doesn't exists, the service will not start, and you can check the reason why with systemctl status sshd.service And of course you can set another mini sevice unit file to create the hostkeys. But I

[gentoo-user] Re: I get trouble with my bcm4312 wl card!

2012-03-18 Thread walt
On 03/18/2012 02:29 AM, 林守磊 wrote: Hi~ I drive my bcm4312 by module b43 and firmware , learned from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 It is drive successfully, but when I start my openvpn , it looks like that the kernel is crashed. The kernel log : [13446.745188] sched: RT

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:51:00 -0400 schrieb Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org: The instructions for replacing udev with mdev are now up at http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/ validator.w3.org complains about a couple of extensions I used, but it appears to work OK in both Firefox and Midori. Any

[gentoo-user] Re: The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread walt
On 03/17/2012 12:40 PM, pk wrote: On 2012-03-17 19:38, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: you know, with that 'put everything into /usr' crap going on, I don't see any reason to have a seperate /usr at all. /root is completely empty. So what? Put everything on one partition and go on. Yes,

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :( -- :wq Works on my computers. And mine. But 'deprecated' means 'this may go away in the future'. My

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 18:42, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Am Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:51:00 -0400 schrieb Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org:   The instructions for replacing udev with mdev are now up at http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/  validator.w3.org complains about a couple of extensions I

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 08:01:59 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.: On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :( -- :wq Works on my computers.

Re: [gentoo-user] Assistance if possible

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:15:10 -0400 Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, All of you guys that are more experienced and technical than I am will probably laugh at me. However Today, I wanted to update my computer. I got all kinds of messages related to kde stuff. One

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-18 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 18, 2012 at 6:22 AM pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2012-03-18 04:11, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: Am I eternally confused? I have no idea... besides, eternity is a long time... ;-) su - change user ID or become superuser It's not _only_ to become root (maybe theoretically if

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:51:54 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I been thinking about that *BSD stuff lately. Hm, maybe I need to do some research on this and give it a try. Give it a try, you might be pleasantly surprised. For single purpose servers, FreeBSD beats Linux hands down

Re: [gentoo-user] Assistance if possible

2012-03-18 Thread Colleen Beamer
On 03/18/12 08:55, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:15:10 -0400 Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, All of you guys that are more experienced and technical than I am will probably laugh at me. However Today, I wanted to update my computer. I got all kinds of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:45:06 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: * Finally, and what I think is the most fundamental difference between systemd and almost any other init system: The service unit files in systemd are *declarative*; you tell the daemon *what* to do, not *how* to

Re: [gentoo-user] Assistance if possible

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:10:07 -0400 Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/18/12 08:55, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:15:10 -0400 Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, All of you guys that are more experienced and technical than I am will

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 18, 2012 at 8:47 AM Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 08:01:59 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.: On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel autoassembly

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: snip initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :( -- :wq I don't know about 'depreciated' as that has a sort of special meaning, but Neil Brown has been

Re: [gentoo-user] Assistance if possible

2012-03-18 Thread Alex Schuster
Colleen Beamer writes: Yes, I have activity manager in world, but I've unmasked all kde packages for version 4.8.1 and because of that, I can't get activitymanager installed because the latest verion for that is only 4.7.4 and I get told kactivities-4.8.1 blocks activitymanager.. I can get

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:51:54 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I been thinking about that *BSD stuff lately. Hm, maybe I need to do some research on this and give it a try. Give it a try, you might be pleasantly surprised. For single purpose servers,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:45:06 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: * Finally, and what I think is the most fundamental difference between systemd and almost any other init system: The service unit files in systemd are *declarative*; you tell the daemon

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 09:23:00 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.: On March 18, 2012 at 8:47 AM Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 08:01:59 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.: On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I recall

[gentoo-user] Re: Power management or something?

2012-03-18 Thread Grant
I have a fresh install of Gentoo on my laptop and I'm having some trouble with the backlight that I think is related to the screen going into some sort of power save mode or something along those lines.  Are there power management settings somewhere or something similar?  I'm on xfce4. -

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Power management or something?

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I have a fresh install of Gentoo on my laptop and I'm having some trouble with the backlight that I think is related to the screen going into some sort of power save mode or something along those lines.  Are there power

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 03/18/2012 09:42 AM, Michael Mol wrote: BTW, where would one go to get involved in organization of the wiki? I found myself wishing for templates for consistent formatting of things like files, one-liners and naming of ebuilds, but I don't think I ought to simply create the templates I'm

[gentoo-user] ESpeak doe not talk to me...

2012-03-18 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, I have problems to get sound from ESpeak... According to this: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/portaudio/2011-February/011726.html and this: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347041 I unmasked ESpeak and installed portaudio and ESpeak. My system uses jackin relatime mode

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Power management or something?

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I have a fresh install of Gentoo on my laptop and I'm having some trouble with the backlight that I think is related to the screen going into some sort of

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: On 03/18/2012 09:42 AM, Michael Mol wrote: BTW, where would one go to get involved in organization of the wiki? I found myself wishing for templates for consistent formatting of things like files, one-liners and naming

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-03-17 8:54 AM, Eliezer Croitoru elie...@ngtech.co.il wrote: genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me. just emerege genkernel Thanks, but... what part of I have never used genkernel, and have no desire to... did you not understand?

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-03-18 9:29 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about 'depreciated' as that has a sort of special meaning, pet-peeve it is deprecATED, not deprecIated /pet-peeve

[gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread Tanstaafl
Creating a new thread for this questions since mine got lost in all of the follow-ups... I would really appreciate a meaningful response to this question (maybe I should go ask this on -dev?) - this has the potential to lose me forever as a gentoo user (I'm sure none of you are crying over

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote: genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me. just emerege genkernel and then use genkerenl --menuconfig all it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread felix
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 01:44:07PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Creating a new thread for this questions since mine got lost in all of the follow-ups... I would really appreciate a meaningful response to this question (maybe I should go ask this on -dev?) - this has the potential to lose me

Re: [gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread Jarry
On 18-Mar-12 18:44, Tanstaafl wrote: How do I find out if I am actually *using* an initramfs right now (I know it is built into the kernel), Just guessing: If you do not know, then you are probably not using it... Jarry -- ___ This

Re: [gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread Alex Schuster
Tanstaafl writes: On 2012-03-17 12:11 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: An initramfs which does this is created by =sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or =sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be sure any initramfs you create

Re: [gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: [snip] Ok, I have never used genkernel, and have no desire to... I have no idea what dracut is or how to use it... I have a remote system that has /usr on a separate partition. So... How do I find out if I am

[gentoo-user] Re: Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread walt
On 03/18/2012 10:44 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Creating a new thread for this questions since mine got lost in all of the follow-ups... I actually read a good response, but I can't possibly find it again :) I do recall that it said to look at your grub.conf (menu.lst) to see if grub passes an initrd=

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mar 18, 2012 3:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If the config file doesn't exists, the service will not start, and you can check the reason why with systemctl status sshd.service And of course you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mar 18, 2012 3:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If the config file doesn't exists, the service will not start, and you can

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:25:32 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Or, said configuration files might be corrupted; the OpenRC initscript -- if written defensively -- will be able to detect that and (perhaps) fallback to something sane. systemd can't do that, short of putting

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 01:06:00PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote I'm in #gentoo-wiki, now, and have been asked if I had permission to copy Walt's page. So...Walt, did I have permission to copy your page? Yes you did. My previous email should have beem enough. If they want explicit permission,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 01:25:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mar 18, 2012 3:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If the config file doesn't exists, the service will not start, and you can

Re: [gentoo-user] Assistance if possible

2012-03-18 Thread Colleen Beamer
On 03/18/12 09:32, Alex Schuster wrote: Colleen Beamer writes: Yes, I have activity manager in world, but I've unmasked all kde packages for version 4.8.1 and because of that, I can't get activitymanager installed because the latest verion for that is only 4.7.4 and I get told

[gentoo-user] Masking udev to postpone the update

2012-03-18 Thread Allan Gottlieb
I will update to the new world order, but would very much prefer to postpone that for a few weeks. Is it enough to put sys-fs/udev-171-r5 in /etc/portage/package.mask ? thanks, allan

Re: [gentoo-user] Masking udev to postpone the update

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:14:48 -0700 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I will update to the new world order, but would very much prefer to postpone that for a few weeks. Is it enough to put sys-fs/udev-171-r5 in /etc/portage/package.mask ? =sys-fs/udev-181 would be better. Rather

Re: [gentoo-user] Important package blocked by another important package

2012-03-18 Thread Stroller
On 30 August 2011, at 03:27, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: … How can I get out of this: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ~] sys-apps/util-linux-2.20 [2.19.1-r1] USE=cramfs crypt ncurses nls perl unicode -loop-aes -old-linux (-selinux) -slang -static-libs% (-uclibc) 4,507 kB

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Dale
Eliezer Croitoru wrote: On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote: genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me. just emerege genkernel and then use genkerenl --menuconfig all it will do everything for you the

Re: [gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread Dale
Tanstaafl wrote: Creating a new thread for this questions since mine got lost in all of the follow-ups... I would really appreciate a meaningful response to this question (maybe I should go ask this on -dev?) - this has the potential to lose me forever as a gentoo user (I'm sure none of you

[gentoo-user] quickpkg on a complete system?

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Knecht
Hi, I have a system in which I've never used the buildpkg feature so I have no packages. The machine is completely up to date - i.e. - emerge -DuN @world does nothing new. I know if I turn on buildpkg and do an emerge -e @world, assuming all the compiling completes without error, emerge

[gentoo-user] Re: quickpkg on a complete system?

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,   I have a system in which I've never used the buildpkg feature so I have no packages. The machine is completely up to date - i.e. - emerge -DuN @world does nothing new.   I know if I turn on buildpkg and do an

Re: [gentoo-user] quickpkg on a complete system?

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:18:22 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a system in which I've never used the buildpkg feature so I have no packages. The machine is completely up to date - i.e. - emerge -DuN @world does nothing new. I know if I turn on buildpkg and do

Re: [gentoo-user] Can no longer use symlinks in /etc/init.d with openrc-0.9.8.4 ?

2012-03-18 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:31:21PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:14:19 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: What I meant was, I rely on ls to remind me (or other sysadmins) that the file is special and should not be edited willy-nilly. I don't want a well-meaning but

Re: [gentoo-user] Masking udev to postpone the update

2012-03-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 13:14:48 schrieb Allan Gottlieb: I will update to the new world order, but would very much prefer to postpone that for a few weeks. Is it enough to put sys-fs/udev-171-r5 in /etc/portage/package.mask ? I have masked 171 and everything above for a while now. So

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 03:15:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote Here's what I want: When the machine starts, I want services X, Y and Z to run. The software figures out what order they must start in and how the deps work. Clean, neat, easy. systemd is like Captain Picard of STTNG (Start

[gentoo-user] Re: Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread walt
On 03/18/2012 11:52 AM, walt wrote: The other nifty hint was to add panic=10 as a kernel parameter in grub.conf (menu.lst) so that your remote system will reboot in 10 seconds if the kernel panics during boot. That will let you test (remotely) if a kernel parameter like noinitrd breaks your

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Eliezer Croitoru wrote: On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote: genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me. just emerege genkernel

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:23:37 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 03:15:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote Here's what I want: When the machine starts, I want services X, Y and Z to run. The software figures out what order they must start in and how the

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 01:06:00PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote I'm in #gentoo-wiki, now, and have been asked if I had permission to copy Walt's page. So...Walt, did I have permission to copy your page?  Yes you did.  My

[gentoo-user] Re: Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:44:07 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: I cannot imagine that gentoo is just going to throw me to the wolves like this without providing *in-depth* instructions on how to make sure my system will boot after this update, like they did with the

[gentoo-user] Re: Masking udev to postpone the update

2012-03-18 Thread walt
On 03/18/2012 03:22 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 13:14:48 schrieb Allan Gottlieb: I will update to the new world order, but would very much prefer to postpone that for a few weeks. Is it enough to put sys-fs/udev-171-r5 in /etc/portage/package.mask ? I

Re: [gentoo-user] quickpkg on a complete system?

2012-03-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:18:22 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,    I have a system in which I've never used the buildpkg feature so I have no packages. The machine is completely up to date - i.e. -

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 19, 2012 5:31 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/18/2012 11:52 AM, walt wrote: The other nifty hint was to add panic=10 as a kernel parameter in grub.conf (menu.lst) so that your remote system will reboot in 10 seconds if the kernel panics during boot. That will let you test

Re: [gentoo-user] quickpkg on a complete system?

2012-03-18 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 19, 2012 6:13 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: 8 snip eix -Ic --only-names | xargs quickpkg --include-config=y which seems to doing the job, although it's still running so I'll have to count the packages when it completes. I personally would use xargs' -P and -n

Re: [gentoo-user] Masking udev to postpone the update

2012-03-18 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Sun, Mar 18 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:14:48 -0700 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I will update to the new world order, but would very much prefer to postpone that for a few weeks. Is it enough to put sys-fs/udev-171-r5 in /etc/portage/package.mask ?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Power management or something?

2012-03-18 Thread Grant
I have a fresh install of Gentoo on my laptop and I'm having some trouble with the backlight that I think is related to the screen going into some sort of power save mode or something along those lines.  Are there power management settings somewhere or something similar?  I'm on xfce4. -

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Eliezer Croitoru wrote: On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote:

[gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread Maxim Wexler
I like gentoo; there's a steep learning curve but after you pass that it just clicks. As difficult as it ever became there was always an answer to be found, on a blog, irc, documentaiton... But I might have to give up on gentoo if I can't find a way to fix this latest difficulty. I live in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: I like gentoo; there's a steep learning curve but after you pass that it just clicks. As difficult as it ever became there was always an answer to be found, on a blog, irc, documentaiton... But I might have to give up

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
On 19/03/2012 02:52, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 19/03/12 02:36, Maxim Wexler wrote: As slow as my connection is, I've always been able to sync portage and use bash to write a link file which I can download at the free wifi in town. Now I can't even do that. Get satellite Internet :-P and

[gentoo-user] Re: Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 19/03/12 03:01, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: On 19/03/2012 02:52, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 19/03/12 02:36, Maxim Wexler wrote: As slow as my connection is, I've always been able to sync portage and use bash to write a link file which I can download at the free wifi in town. Now I can't even

Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:36 -0600, Maxim Wexler wrote: I like gentoo; there's a steep learning curve but after you pass that it just clicks. As difficult as it ever became there was always an answer to be found, on a blog, irc, documentaiton... But I might have to give up on gentoo if I

Re: [gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: [snip] Ok, I have never used genkernel, and have no desire to... I have no idea what dracut is or how to use it... I have a remote

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-18 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Eliezer Croitoru wrote: On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey

Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 19, 2012 8:51 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:36 -0600, Maxim Wexler wrote: I like gentoo; there's a steep learning curve but after you pass that it just clicks. As difficult as it ever became there was always an answer to be found, on a

[gentoo-user] Re: Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread walt
On 03/18/2012 04:31 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 19, 2012 5:31 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com mailto:w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/18/2012 11:52 AM, walt wrote: The other nifty hint was to add panic=10 as a kernel parameter in grub.conf (menu.lst) so that your remote system will reboot in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-18 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 19, 2012 9:41 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/18/2012 04:31 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 19, 2012 5:31 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com mailto:w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/18/2012 11:52 AM, walt wrote: The other nifty hint was to add panic=10 as a kernel parameter in

Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 18, 2012 at 8:36 PM Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: Hope somebody can see a way out. MW I'd probably swap my computer shop and all it's latest-and-greatest to live where you are, and leave all the computers, 'smart' phones, etc. in town. Just me, the wife, the

Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread Maxim Wexler
Hi Maxim, what changed when the modem stopped working? Dunno Also can you supply the output of the route -n and ifconfig commands to give us a chance of seeing if anything has gone adrift there. Also if you are using (and have tested that its not the problem) any firewall running. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Maxim, what changed when the modem stopped working? Dunno Also can you supply the output of the route -n and ifconfig commands to give us a chance of seeing if anything has gone adrift there. Also if

Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?

2012-03-18 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 22:44 -0600, Maxim Wexler wrote: Hi Maxim, what changed when the modem stopped working? Dunno Also can you supply the output of the route -n and ifconfig commands to give us a chance of seeing if anything has gone adrift there. Also if you are using (and

[gentoo-user] Changing compilers

2012-03-18 Thread Andrew Lowe
Hi all, Has anyone played around with the various better known compilers on Gentoo? By better known, I'm referring to gcc, Intel, llvm, pathscale. My situation is that I've just started my PhD which requires me to do Finite Element Analysis, FEA, and Computational Fluid Dynamics, CFD,

Re: [gentoo-user] Changing compilers

2012-03-18 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au wrote: Hi all, Has anyone played around with the various better known compilers on Gentoo? By better known, I'm referring to gcc, Intel, llvm, pathscale. My situation is that I've just started my PhD which requires me to do