Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:17:51 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, can run system-wide or per-session and has the potential to many of the IPC

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 11:02, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:17:51 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, can run system-wide or per-session and has the

[gentoo-user] QEMU setup questions

2013-07-24 Thread Walter Dnes
So I emerged QEMU, which pulled in some dependancies. Things are not going well... 1) The following warning shows up in elog... WARN: pretend You have decided to compile your own SeaBIOS. This is not supported by upstream unless you use their recommended toolchain (which you are not). If

[gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Pavel Volkov
What is the status or portage 2.2? It takes so long to get out of alpha. Has anyone here had any serious problems with it? I've been using it for a a few years without any accidents. Just wondering if I should be prepared for the worst. I also remember reading in Changelog that 2.2 remains masked

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 12:00, Pavel Volkov wrote: What is the status or portage 2.2? It takes so long to get out of alpha. Has anyone here had any serious problems with it? I've been using it for a a few years without any accidents. Just wondering if I should be prepared for the worst. I also remember

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Yohan Pereira
On 24/07/13 at 02:00pm, Pavel Volkov wrote: It initially suported set arithmetic (you could writes expressions like @set1+@set2/@set3), I wonder why it was dropped :) Wow thats intresting. What could the / operator possibly do in the case of sets? -- - Yohan Pereira The difference between a

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:00:54 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote: It initially suported set arithmetic (you could writes expressions like @set1+@set2/@set3), I wonder why it was dropped :) What does that mean? set1 and one of set2 or set 3? Or both set1 and set2 or set3 only? I'm not sure how this would

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 12:17, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:00:54 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote: It initially suported set arithmetic (you could writes expressions like @set1+@set2/@set3), I wonder why it was dropped :) What does that mean? set1 and one of set2 or set 3? Or both set1 and

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Pavel Volkov
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.comwrote: On 24/07/13 at 02:00pm, Pavel Volkov wrote: It initially suported set arithmetic (you could writes expressions like @set1+@set2/@set3), I wonder why it was dropped :) Wow thats intresting. What could the /

Re: [gentoo-user] QEMU setup questions

2013-07-24 Thread William Kenworthy
On 24/07/13 17:50, Walter Dnes wrote: So I emerged QEMU, which pulled in some dependancies. Things are not going well... 1) The following warning shows up in elog... WARN: pretend You have decided to compile your own SeaBIOS. This is not supported by upstream unless you use their

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 12:52, Pavel Volkov wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com mailto:yohan.pere...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/07/13 at 02:00pm, Pavel Volkov wrote: It initially suported set arithmetic (you could writes expressions like

Re: [gentoo-user] QEMU setup questions

2013-07-24 Thread Kerin Millar
On 24/07/2013 10:50, Walter Dnes wrote: So I emerged QEMU, which pulled in some dependancies. Things are not going well... 1) The following warning shows up in elog... WARN: pretend You have decided to compile your own SeaBIOS. This is not supported by upstream unless you use their

[gentoo-user] fdisk: DOS/GPT

2013-07-24 Thread Pavel Volkov
Noticed something strange about fdisk output. EXAMPLE 1. We see nothing out of place here. It displays a warning. [rondo:rondo]$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda Password: WARNING: fdisk GPT support is currently new, and therefore in an experimental phase. Use at your own discretion. Disk /dev/sda: 64.0

[gentoo-user] bash-completion change?

2013-07-24 Thread Douglas J Hunley
As of bash-completion-2.1-r1 it appears the eselect module is gone and the use of /etc/bash-completion.d is dead. Does this mean that all completions are enabled globally by default now? It used to be that you could turn each individual one on/off either globally or per user. Anyone know what the

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 24/07/13 13:00, Pavel Volkov wrote: What is the status or portage 2.2? It takes so long to get out of alpha. Has anyone here had any serious problems with it? I've been using it for a a few years without any accidents. Just wondering if I should be prepared for the worst. I also remember

Re: [gentoo-user] QEMU setup questions

2013-07-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:57:41 +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: WARN: pretend You have decided to compile your own SeaBIOS. This is not supported by upstream unless you use their recommended toolchain (which you are not). If you are intending to use this build with QEMU, realize you will not

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:46:59 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: What does that mean? set1 and one of set2 or set 3? Or both set1 and set2 or set3 only? I'm not sure how this would be useful but I can certainly see how it would cause confusion and problems, but I hadn't heard if it before.

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 15:20, Neil Bothwick wrote: However, kmail sucks and akonadi sucks moar, so define for yourself @suckykde kdepim-meta And add to your world sets: @kde+@kdedev/@suckykde I see, what about operator precedence, is that equivalent to (@kde+@kdedev)/@kdesuckykde

Re: [gentoo-user] QEMU setup questions

2013-07-24 Thread Kerin Millar
On 24/07/2013 14:16, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:57:41 +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: WARN: pretend You have decided to compile your own SeaBIOS. This is not supported by upstream unless you use their recommended toolchain (which you are not). If you are intending to use this

Re: [gentoo-user] bash-completion change?

2013-07-24 Thread Stefano Crocco
On Wednesday 24 July 2013 Douglas J Hunley wrote As of bash-completion-2.1-r1 it appears the eselect module is gone and the use of /etc/bash-completion.d is dead. Does this mean that all completions are enabled globally by default now? It used to be that you could turn each individual one

[gentoo-user] /etc/profile is gone - how to chroot

2013-07-24 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, previously and still documented nearly everywhere one has to do env-update source /etc/profile after chroot but in recent systems, the file /etc/profile is gone. How to adapt the environment in a new system? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut.

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/profile is gone - how to chroot

2013-07-24 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, previously and still documented nearly everywhere one has to do env-update source /etc/profile after chroot but in recent systems, the file /etc/profile is gone. How to adapt the environment in a

Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk: DOS/GPT

2013-07-24 Thread Kerin Millar
On 24/07/2013 12:25, Pavel Volkov wrote: Is fdisk lying to me? It would appear so. If you are fond of fdisk, I'd suggest using gdisk as an alternative for managing disks using GPT. At least, until such time as the support in fdisk can be considered mature. --Kerin

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/profile is gone - how to chroot

2013-07-24 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 07/24/13 16:34:46, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, previously and still documented nearly everywhere one has to do env-update source /etc/profile after chroot but in recent systems, the file /etc/profile

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/24/2013 09:27 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: I think it's the former. But I've been known to be wrong on things (lately, more often than not...) Just looked on The Google, and there's no consensus I can find. Best advice seems to be that union and difference are equal precedence so the

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/profile is gone - how to chroot

2013-07-24 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: On 07/24/13 16:34:46, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, previously and still documented nearly everywhere one has to do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-24 Thread covici
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:04 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu wrote: On 23 July 2013 08:54, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/07/13 08:43, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 23/07/13 00:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: This would be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-24 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:04 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu wrote: On 23 July 2013 08:54, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/07/13 08:43, Samuli Suominen wrote:

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Steven J. Long
Neil Bothwick wrote: Steven J. Long wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, can run system-wide or per-session and has the potential to many of the IPC

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Steven J. Long
Alan McKinnon wrote: you forgot that shared library nonsense. Every app should just bundle static copies of everything it needs and leave it up to the dev to deal with bugs and security issues And you forgot: -lc prob'y because it's not required. -lrt comes into play too. I'd recommend a book

[gentoo-user] Portage elog messages about historical symlinks

2013-07-24 Thread Mick
I am getting messages like the one below from portage every now and then. Especially, about /var/run, but in this case about a different directory: * Messages for package dev-libs/klibc-1.5.20: * One or more symlinks to directories have been preserved in order to * ensure that files

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 19:51, Steven J. Long wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: you forgot that shared library nonsense. Every app should just bundle static copies of everything it needs and leave it up to the dev to deal with bugs and security issues And you forgot: -lc prob'y because it's not required.

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Willie WY Wong
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:46:59PM +0200, Penguin Lover Alan McKinnon squawked: @set1+@set2/@set3 reduces to: all the elements of set1 and set2 without the elements that are in set3 (/ is difference). Speaking as a mathematician (and A. Gottlieb will agree with me), I would be rather

Re: [gentoo-user] Experiences with amd richland or trinity APUs?

2013-07-24 Thread Willie WY Wong
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:09:12AM +0800, Penguin Lover tlze squawked: The actual models are A8 (trinity, RD 7560D GPU) and A10 (richland RD 8570D GPU), or a plain AthlonIIx4 (no GPU). My question is: Are these GPUs supported properly under linux? Does anyone have experiences with them?

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Jul 24 2013, Willie WY Wong wrote: Speaking as a mathematician (and A. Gottlieb will agree with me), I would be rather annoyed that they chose (if this is not a misquote from the original proposed documentation) to use '/' for set difference instead of '\' as it is supposed to be.

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Steven J. Long
Alan McKinnon wrote: Peace and hugz OK? Definitely :-) POSIX 4: Programming for the Real World (Gallmeister, 1995) UNIX Network Programming vol 2: Interprocess Communications (Stevens, 1999) iirc the first is on safari-online; you can download code from the second here:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-24 Thread covici
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:04 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu wrote: On 23 July 2013 08:54, Nikos Chantziaras

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage elog messages about historical symlinks

2013-07-24 Thread Kerin Millar
On 24/07/2013 19:22, Mick wrote: I am getting messages like the one below from portage every now and then. Especially, about /var/run, but in this case about a different directory: * Messages for package dev-libs/klibc-1.5.20: * One or more symlinks to directories have been preserved in

Re: [gentoo-user] Experiences with amd richland or trinity APUs?

2013-07-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:11:16PM +0200, Willie WY Wong wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:09:12AM +0800, Penguin Lover tlze squawked: The actual models are A8 (trinity, RD 7560D GPU) and A10 (richland RD 8570D GPU), or a plain AthlonIIx4 (no GPU). My question is: Are these GPUs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 22:18, Steven J. Long wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Peace and hugz OK? Definitely :-) POSIX 4: Programming for the Real World (Gallmeister, 1995) UNIX Network Programming vol 2: Interprocess Communications (Stevens, 1999) iirc the first is on safari-online; you can download

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 22:15, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Wed, Jul 24 2013, Willie WY Wong wrote: Speaking as a mathematician (and A. Gottlieb will agree with me), I would be rather annoyed that they chose (if this is not a misquote from the original proposed documentation) to use '/' for set

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Jul 24 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: You mathematician chaps could probably resolve this one nicely for yourselves by treating it as just another mangle by Applied Mathematicians == joke :-) Careful what you joke about. The New York University comp sci dept (my home) is part

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 2.2

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 23:21, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Wed, Jul 24 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: You mathematician chaps could probably resolve this one nicely for yourselves by treating it as just another mangle by Applied Mathematicians == joke :-) Careful what you joke about. The New

Re: [gentoo-user] Experiences with amd richland or trinity APUs?

2013-07-24 Thread tlze
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:11:16PM +0200, Willie WY Wong wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:09:12AM +0800, Penguin Lover tlze squawked: The actual models are A8 (trinity, RD 7560D GPU) and A10 (richland RD

Re: [gentoo-user] Experiences with amd richland or trinity APUs?

2013-07-24 Thread Jason Weisberger
I've been running a mobile A8 quad core with a 6000 series GPU for about a year under 3.x kernels and open source x.org drivers. Not a hiccup. On Jul 22, 2013 3:57 PM, Alexander Puchmayr alexander.puchm...@linznet.at wrote: Hi there, I'm thinking of bying a quad-core cpu, preferably an amd

Re: [gentoo-user] QEMU setup questions

2013-07-24 Thread Walter Dnes
Thanks to all who replied. sys-firmware/seabios needed the binary flag and sys-firmware/ipxe needed the qemu and vmware flags. It's starting now, and most of my problems are solved. I still have permission problems as a regular user with qemu-kvm, but qemu-system-i386 works. Root can start

Re: [gentoo-user] QEMU setup questions

2013-07-24 Thread Kerin Millar
On 25/07/2013 04:24, Walter Dnes wrote: Thanks to all who replied. sys-firmware/seabios needed the binary flag and sys-firmware/ipxe needed the qemu and vmware flags. It's starting now, and most of my problems are solved. I still have permission problems as a regular user with qemu-kvm,