On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 02:27:59AM -0500, Ray Bowles wrote:
*** On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 at 1:24pm Derek D. Martin shared this with the class::
Ray, I really hate when people do this. The numbers presented are
very deceptive, because for Microsoft products, the numbers include
ONLY the core
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Ray Bowles wrote:
*** On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 at 1:24pm Derek D. Martin shared this with the class::
I completely understand, but I was refering more to the relation of
problems in RedHat's CRAP distro rather than the Microsoft
numbers. Everybody knows how the results are
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Ray Bowles wrote:
Now compare RH's numbers to BSD or Debian.
Well, since both Red Hat and Debian package the same software, one can
only conclude that Red Hat is more vigilant about finding and fixing
problems than Debian is.
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At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=374 is:
Can anyone identify who is wearing that GNHLUG tee-shirt? The photo is
in the GNHLUG photo gallery at: http://news.gnhlug.org/
modules.php?op=modloadname=galleryfile=index
By the way - feel free to add photos to that album whenever you spot
jbd wrote:
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=374 is:
Can anyone identify who is wearing that GNHLUG tee-shirt?
Hmmm. Initials BS?
/BS
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At 10:52 AM -0500 2/12/02, jbd wrote:
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=374 is:
Can anyone identify who is wearing that GNHLUG tee-shirt? The photo is
in the GNHLUG photo gallery at: http://news.gnhlug.org/
modules.php?op=modloadname=galleryfile=index
Looks suspiciously like Ben Smith,
Can anyone identify who is wearing that GNHLUG tee-shirt?
Looks suspiciously like Ben Smith, captain of the Mother of Perl and
founder of MonadLug.
The real question is: Does the boat have good internet connectivity?
-- Jack Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 603-433-7161 www.jackhodgson.com
Ray Bowles said:
*** On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 at 1:24pm Derek D. Martin shared this with the class::
Interesting attribution... ;-)
Ray, I really hate when people do this. The numbers presented are
very deceptive, because for Microsoft products, the numbers include
ONLY the core OS. Linux
What appears to be a rather frustrated newbie posted the following
article at the CentraLUG web site:
http://www.centralug.org/article.php?sid=37
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*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 4:20am Paul Iadonisi shared this with the class::
Ray,
I was going to let this go and not participate in this thread, but this
set me off. Later in the above paragraph you state that you are not trying
to start a distro war, but just a few lines previous you
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 3:30pm Bruce Dawson shared this with the class::
What appears to be a rather frustrated newbie posted the following
article at the CentraLUG web site:
http://www.centralug.org/article.php?sid=37
Anyone have ideas on how to help. I think he has a decent idea.
I'm not so sure I agree. I should preface the following with the fact that,
although I am not newbie, I am certainly not an expert.
I think that there is something to be said for arming yourself with as much book
knowledge as possible, especially when experience is lacking *before* you take on
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 1:36pm Michael Costolo shared this with the class::
I think that there is something to be said for arming yourself with as much book
knowledge as possible, especially when experience is lacking *before* you take on
something like a new operating system. There is no
Yes, I think it is how we learn. Break things, try to figure them out, and get help
when you need it. But when you break something and someone else fixes it for you
(you only type what they tell you to), I think you miss out on the learning
experience. Running a Linux box means you are your
Interesting. Very common set of problems.
The real problem is this:
What the heck is a newbie doing attempting to install a complex operating
system? Many new distros, particularly Red Hat and Mandrake, have very nice
GUI installation programs that work wonderfully, and install automatically
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I was actually on a newsgroup where someone had never user tar before.
They read the man page, and after trying and trying to understand all
the options they just got frustrated and posted
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At some point hitherto, Ray Bowles hath spake thusly:
have walked at least 6 of my friends through Linux installs,
Bind/Apache/Sendmail/MySQL and other installs and never once did I say
RTFM.
That's great! But it's really hard to do that in an
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=374 is:
Yes. I can confirm that the GNHLUG shirt wearer is our own Ben Smith!
By the way - he seemed interested in hosting a Geek Cruise if anyone
would come. It would probably be next year and sail out of Tortola, BWI.
We''re working on the Internet
Well, as another newbie I guess I'll chime in here with a few
lighthearted comments.
Bottom line -- its not easy being a newbie ;0)
Its fun to hear something of what's going on for the experts on this
list, but most of the time I don't understand what is being
discussed. That's okay, its
Michael,
I would say that some of the challenges you face are arch
specific (choosing to start on PPC). Now this isn't a criticism, but the
problem you run into is that while there are probably a handleful of
people on this list that can help you with doing X, booting a PPC machine
I've been using Linux (with varying success, ya), since Yggdrasil days.
Everything which has been written here seems valid to me. (Yes,
including the post which is latest as I write this, which is
essentially YARTFM (believe it or not.))
Among the sapient (IMO) comments:
Michael Bovee wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Bill Sconce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Truly so. And the man pages have no index;
Not a full index, but man -k keyword (aka apropos(1)) and whatis(1)
are fairly useful for this. No?
The gnu special: man -K keyword is slow (at least on my old HW) but I
guess technically
Sorry to pipe in, but I must. The fact is that the learning / use curve of
Linux, particularly compared to Windows, is very high. I completely agree
that the man pages are confusing. They often lack real world examples as
well. This can be very imposing to the new user. The response well
OK, so I usually don't post things like this to Gnhlug but I laughed out
loud when I read this one, from:
http://www.vnunet.com/News/1129199
a quote from Ed Zander, president of Sun:
Linux was created over time and was mirrored on Solaris; you can go back
and forth easily. We share the same
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Rich Payne wrote:
What? Linux was mirrored on Solaris? You can easily go back and forth?
You mis-understand. He means the master kernel site server is located
right next to a SPARCStation 10 that keeps a backup copy of the kernel
sources.
(Okay, I made that up.
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 5:32pm Paul Iadonisi shared this with the class::
Today, if you look at the default install for 7.2, for example, you'll
find that Red Hat has take several very good steps at making the default
install more secure. They don't start services unnecessarily that
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Rich Payne wrote:
What? Linux was mirrored on Solaris? You can easily go back and forth?
You mis-understand. He means the master kernel site server is located
right next to a SPARCStation 10 that keeps a backup copy of
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 5:43pm Derek D. Martin shared this with the class::
That's great! But it's really hard to do that in an e-mail...
And of course they learn less by having you do it for them, if they
are at all like most people.
I find that not to be the case. In my example
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 6:23pm Derek D. Martin shared this with the class::
If you limited the advisories to just those programs, you'd be down to
a handful of them... I'll also point out that it's much easier to
find (AND FIX) these things on Linux, because the source code is
available,
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Ray Bowles wrote:
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 2:26pm Derek D. Martin shared this with the class::
product that won't crash every 30 minutes on a fair number of
configurations. Their operating system crashes often and takes all
your work with it, even under virtually
I need to get an email address that I can reach for school purposes for
a few months.
Can anyone recommend any free email service somewhere that is not one of
the big spam outfits?
Mediaone does not always seem to be available to reach from the
outside of late.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 11:17:47PM -0500, Ray Bowles wrote:
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 5:32pm Paul Iadonisi shared this with the class::
Today, if you look at the default install for 7.2, for example, you'll
find that Red Hat has take several very good steps at making the default
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 10:48pm Thomas M. Albright shared this with the...:
I do. My home is networked. To get onto the internet everyyone goes
through 192.168.0.1. If that machine is turned off, there is no internet
avilable.
Thankfully Linux has this capability and for the average user
*** On 12 Feb 2002 at 10:58pm R. Sean Hartnett shared this with the class::
I need to get an email address that I can reach for school purposes for
a few months.
Can anyone recommend any free email service somewhere that is not one of
the big spam outfits?
Mediaone does not always seem to
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 10:53pm Paul Iadonisi shared this with the class::
The big thing the frames support. I expect that when links has ssl support
that lynx will go a way. I don't think Red Hat has a problem with lynx, but
the frames support is probably what prompted it to migrate
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Karl J. Runge wrote:
I naively thought Errors-To: was the only way to do this. (I grepped and
saw this string in the majordomo code, but that was likely regarding
subscription, etc, activities, not posts)
A lot of software support(s|ed) the use of Errors-To, because at
On 12 Feb 2002, R. Sean Hartnett wrote:
Can anyone recommend any free email service somewhere that is not one of
the big spam outfits?
Free services work on advert dollars. Small services cannot attract
significant advertisers. Thus, small free services are destined for
failure. It would
Quoting Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.ductape.net is a free, hosted service. Works VERY well..
On 12 Feb 2002, R. Sean Hartnett wrote:
Can anyone recommend any free email service somewhere that is not one
of
the big spam outfits?
Free services work on advert dollars.
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From: Thomas M. Albright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: GNHLUG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: linux/windows security
And yet my girlfriend, who has XP on a p4 1+G with 512M of ram has to
reboot everytime she puts in a game for
I've been using usa.net (http://www.netaddress.net to signup) for a
number of years. It now costs me $20/year. I get web access,
forwarding, and POP access. My wife uses the web access from work. I
use the POP with fetchmail to my firewall.
For $20/year, I get some spam filtering no ads
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From: Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Rich Cloutier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: linux/windows security
While I have had driver issues in the past, I do not find, in my
experience, that they have caused the
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:
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At some point hitherto, Greg Kettmann hath spake thusly:
It has always amazed me just how recalcitrant the Linux community is about
making the system easier to use. Note that I didn't say less
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