Re: Nahhh, we don't need to secure the *internal* network....
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Tom Buskey wrote: There's always the DOD approach: put the network cables in conduit that has a vibration alarm on it. Use 10base2, token ring, or FDDI; something that detects a break and stops passing traffic if a splice is made. 1) Unless I'm mistaken (something I'll readily concede if it's the case -- my time with Token Ring Hell^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H United Parcel Service was many moons ago), you could just splice the TR cable, plug it into a MAU, and go from there. You wouldn't even drop packets if your ring was an actual ring, though you might notice a couple beacons. 2) All of this is well and good, but IMHO, encrypting the workplace would -not- solve even a portion of the big problem. People who have access would still have access, and could just as easily e-mail files to the outside. Combine that with social engineering, and the damn keyboard capture devices I've seen that plug right into the PS/2 port (Hell: PC Magazine even wrote two up last issue), and it's *DAMN* hard to prevent someone who's determined from getting to stuff, and a whole lot easier than it would be to sniff an unencrypted packet-switched network. Don't mis-understand my point: encryption -is- good. But hiring trustworthy employees, expiring passwords, and enforcing good file-permission security (so people don't have access to things they don't need access to) are probably more relevant. That, and throwing away Outlook. ;-) $.02, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Bridges of a different color.
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I heard they stop all incoming SPAM as well. Hey, do know anyone that needs a bridge? I have a nice one right between Queens and Brooklyn I'm looking to sell ;) Or, if you prefer, I another on in the San Fran/Bay area! Even though I was born in NYC, and worked in the financial district (which is on the far south end), I can't claim to know too much about how the boroughs work. Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure that the bridge we're talking about goes from Brooklyn to Manhattan. ;-) [That's why you see all those pics of the WTC workers leaving on the Brooklyn Bridge.] -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Bridges of a different color.
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I must now ask: IS there a bridge which connects Queens and Brooklyn? The BQE, as it's identified in traffic reports: The Brooklyn Queens Expressway. See http://www.nycroads.com/roads/brooklyn-queens/ NB: I know almost *nothing* about Brooklyn -- the last time I was there was when I fell asleep on the subway and missed Wall St.; for all I know, this road dumps cars straight into the East River. But I do seem to recall that this is probably the correct answer to your question. -[grain-of-salt]Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: dd on Windows
Yah; works like a charm. Honestly, though, I use cat (eg. cat /dev/source /dev/dest), -- works great, too, and you don't need to know your source's size, either -- it just ends when there's no more data. (Also the way I create/write floppy images.) As for your geometry, all will probably be fine, BUT: sometimes the NT bootloader gets pissed. (Now -there's- a shock.) It requires some finagling; see Google if it happens to you. Once done, you could either create a new partition, or, with Partition Magic, expand the current one. $.02, -Ken On 1 Aug 2002, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: Hi All, I have a question that, personally, I find somewhat amusing... I have a user that needs a bigger hard drive in his laptop. Naturally, he is running Win2K (damn sales people...). But, he needs everything moved from one drive to the other. I was thinking about taking the hard drives, plugging them into IDE adapters, connecting them to a regular PC, booting off of a Linux floppy, and dd-ing on drive onto the other. Has anyone had any luck doing this with 1) Windows and 2) drives with differeing geometries (which I don't think dd cares about)? TIA, Kenny -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is also one of the reasons it takes Debian 2.5 years to issue a new release! Oh, come, come -- it's not really -that- quick, is it? ;-) Regardless of distribution, you get a lot more bang for your buck with Linux than you do with any commercial OS! Now, if we could just boost the QA level of all the distributions a little :) Alas, QA has one (or two, depending on how you look at it) strike(s) against it: - it's not sexy, which means relatively few do it voluntarily, which means - it costs money. That being said, more testing is required... but even less likely to happen, what with, as Paul noted, the almost ridiculous amount of software one gets with a stock distribution these days. Fer Pete's sake: my first slackware base install was something like 8 floppies (plus boot root). I imagine Mandrake will hit that number of CD-ROMs soon, if they haven't already! Funny -- that roughly follows Moore's Law. I wonder if there's a correlation? [Ken in 2010: Sheesh! Where'd I put DVD #17?] -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Thomas Charron wrote: The *ONLY* concern I've had with it is ease of subverting security. Primarily, reseting the admin password is as easy as pushing a little button with a pencil top, and pushing it again twice, then holding it down. This resets the admin password.. No way to disable this 'feature'. Not to bad, but it's a pet peeve I guess.. Ken's (security) rule-of-thumb: if you don't have physical security, you don't have security. Period. Looked at a different way, I -like- being able to reset passwords easily through a button: makes it easy to re-configure those pesky generic network function boxen. I just make *sure* that it's under lock and key. Granted, if you're in a -really- small office, it's pretty much a non-issue, but if you're in a mid-sized one, you really should have restricted physical access to servers. And, heck, even in a small office, if it's out of the way, the cleaners won't run over ther power cord with a vacuum cleaner. -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [OT comment: gee, Ben, that reply-to sure works well. ;-)] - Many Linux users like to buy pre-owned equipment, and install Linux in an after market configuration. - Many Linux users are both computer-savvy and picky, and thus want to do their own OS installs, regardless of Windows or Linux. - In a corporate setting where Linux is being used, the corporate IT guys will likely be doing their own OS installs. - Many Linux laptops will end up in a dual-boot configuration. While I agree with Ben's comments, I think he leaves out a few things: - Linux folk (at least me) would vastly prefer to do a fresh install; perhaps wiped HD's with install media included, instead? - Hardware that can be used by Linux, with an included FAQ or a link to a URL that describes how/what needs to be done to get it working (eg. Click here for an XF86Config-4 file for 1280x1024) would be good... and avoiding blights upon the face of the Earth, such as Winmodems, at all costs. Bottom line: Linux folk usually buy hardware because they like (*gasp*) the -hardware-. Not because of how easy the software is to use. Linux may one day gain a substantial foothold on the desktop, but it hasn't happened yet, and it won't be tomorrow, either. Until such time as it's easy enough for grandma, it's far better to put the resources into making the hardware work with Linux rather than prettifying an install. $.02 + SH, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: dinner
Well, as per the story, the owner doesn't dispute the claim. So the question becomes: who wants to make the phone call? (I'm taking my daughter, joy of joys, to the mall, so I'm out. ;-) -Ken On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Dana S. Tellier wrote: Heh... of course now Kevin, by mentioning your deleted flame, you just ruined your chances of appearing like the better man. ;-) - D -- Dana S. Tellier Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Student Engineer University of New Hampshire InterOperability Lab 220 Morse Hall, NH 03824 Routing Consortium603-862-0090 FAX: 603-862-1761 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Multi-NIC routing...
Howdy, all. I'm moderately knowledgeable in routing, but I'm banging my head against the wall in this case: I've got a RH 7.2 box that has two NICs in it; one goes to our T-1 subnet, and the other to a cable modem -- we've got it set up to act as a backup mail gateway if/when the T1 takes a hit. Works like a charm. HOWEVER, I can't seem to figure out how to get both interfaces to be visible at the same time from non-local hosts, thusly: /\/\ |Internet||Internet| \/\/ | | 1.2.3.1 (router) 2.3.4.1 (Linksys behind cable modem) | | 1.2.3.2 (eth0)2.3.4.2 (eth1) \ / \ / \ / - | mailhost | - Now I understand that having more than one default gateway is... weird, and, usually, means that you're running a routing protocol such as IGRP or somesuch. But what if you're not? Is there any way to say something like if traffic originates on eth0, reply to it from eth0; if it comes from eth1, then use eth1, and go from there? Any hints/suggestions/etc., would be much appreciated. Thanks! -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: 3Ware 6410 question
H... Or, put somewhat more succinctly, Same damn thing happens to me. I have two of the cards, both the eight-drive variety, and both with latest firmware. The one that's fully-populated works like a champ; the one with four drives in it complains that one is kaput. I keep meaning to take the system down and get gnarly with it, but, dammit, it's got my stuff on it! ;-) Of course, since it's not currently in RAID-5 mode, but instead is simply spanning three drives with no redundancy, I am now more vulnerable to potential hardware problems. My hardware configuration is somewhat similar to yours: Abit something-or-other dual Pentium III motherboard 6480 3Ware card (leastwise, I think that's the model -- it's a 6400-series with eight ports) Three Matrox 160 GB drives, and one 100 GB Matrox drive in RAID-5 (which obviously means they other three come down to 100 GB capacity, which is fine for me for now...), and a 20 GB boot drive. Anyone else? -Ken On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Todd Littlefield wrote: Hello, I recently decided to build an array for storage purposes. It is a RAID 5 array with 3 Maxtor drives and is running under RedHat 7.3. The array is fairly fast but runs into a problem... After I copy about 10 GB to the array, it loses a disk and hangs the system. If the system is rebooted, the 3ware bios reports, I forget the exact terminology but, one of the disks is bad. I then rebuild the array and the same thing happens. 3ware support has been contacted and they state that there are certain irrecoverable errors that might happen on the drive itself that can cause the problem. The raid is currently scrapped. I've connected the drives to the onboard UDMA66 controller and created partitions. Then ran badblocks with write mode turned on. The output file was empty, I am assuming this means no bad blocks. I then formatted the drive and ran dump32fs on it, still nothing. The controller has come up before on the list. Has anyone had similar experiences with it? Am I just unlucky with this particular board? And last but not least, am I doing something completely sdrawkcab? Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks. System specifics: A-BIT BE6-II PIII - 733 512 MB 3ware 6410 Asus GeForce II GTS SoundBlaster Live! Value 3c905 IBM 30 GB boot drive 3 x Maxtor 80 GB (hopefully in a RAID 5 config...) RedHat 7.3 3ware firmware 6.9 Stock RH7.3 driver (matches latest on their website) Latest 3dmd (web based config utility for 3ware cards) All 3ware software at latest versions specified on their website... -- ++++---++ || Todd Littlefield ||Aprisma SPECTRUM Apps || || Aprisma Mgmt. Tech.|| - Solutions Team || || [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||- C, C++, Perl || || (603) 334-2593 ||- HTML, CGI, Java || ++++---++ * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Detect output type in shell script
On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Coutu said: I do recall from my days working on Ultrix, er DEC OSF/1, I mean Digital UNIX, no make that Tru64 UNIX Don't you mean HP-UX ? ;) Ouch! Seriously, though -- even lowly Linux exhibits similar behavior with the ls command. (It's not the more command that modifies the stream; the ls command, rather, modifies it when it sees it's being piped). For example: [root@kend-linux tomsrtbt-2.0.103]# ls buildit.s fdflush install.s settings.stomsrtbt.raw clone.sfdformat license.html tomsrtbt.FAQ unpack.s [root@kend-linux tomsrtbt-2.0.103]# ls | cat buildit.s clone.s fdflush fdformat install.s license.html settings.s tomsrtbt.FAQ tomsrtbt.raw unpack.s (Also note that the top one, as per most Linux distributions, is happily colorized.) $.02, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
High-speed connectivity in NH (was http://www.whizwireless.com/ )
Hi, all. Time to revisit a fairly common topic on here. A friend of mine is moving back to NH (Dublin, to be precise) after a six-year absence. Six years ago, dialup was Where It's At. This is less true, now... especially as she hopes to telecommute to Motorola in Austin. Alas, I've been unable to find any reasonably-priced high-speed solutions for Dublin. VITTS had offered service out there, but nobody is, now, that I can tell. So, suggestions? Satellite? DSL providers with which I'm unacquainted? Cheap fractional T-1? Thanks... -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Party?
I know most all of us are looking for excuses to drink... root beer, and I guess that this might be one: the Mozilla 1.0 release party. For the heck of it, I was perusing the list of parties, and saw that one is tentatively scheduled for NH. It is lacking some subtle items, such as location, but still something that I thought others might find an interest in. http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/?show=northa#73 -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: bash question
On Thu, 23 May 2002, Kenny Donahue wrote: lspci -d1134:1 | /usr/bin/wc -l The idea of course is to get the number of our boards in the system. the funny thing is, if I log in as root I get 2/* Note the 6 blank spaces before the 2 */ if I log in as my self or ssh into the machine and su to root, I get 2 /* note NO space before the 2 */ Based on what I've seen, and read, I'm guessing that it's spitting out tabs, which then get converted by way of your $TERM variable. Check your $TERM on the two, and make them the same, and see what happens, 'cause your tabs are probably getting eaten for lunch. $.02, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Bootable image on CD?
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Ben Boulanger wrote: Have a working box must make duplicates of this box for other customers Want to make it: a) easy to duplicate b) easy to recover from if the customer whacks files c) cheap to ship Once upon a time, I did something similar -- but my approach (which may or may not fit your scenario) was to have a bootable floppy which then loaded up a filesystem on a remote NFS server as root (I think I had / and something else in RAM for some reason; the details are hazy). I could then, with a bit of tweaking, run -anything- off the remote server. It was pretty nifty! Worked great for my old IBM 701C's that didn't have CD-ROM drives. I could then just copy the contents of the HD around, or re-image it, at will. Definitely took a fair bit of work, but at the end of the day, it was really, really cool to be able to slip a floppy into most any system (even a Windows system!), and be running full-fledged Linux on it within two minutes. -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Samba in /etc/fstab?
Here's a (sample) entry: //host/resource /mount/point smb username=foo,password=bar 0 0 Note that this is -insecure- since /etc/fstab is usually world-readable. Be vewwy, vewwy careful when passwords are in plaintext. -Ken On Mon, 20 May 2002, Thomas M. Albright wrote: Here at my office, when my Win98 machine boots, it mounts my Linux box as a Network Drive. I'd like to have My Linux box do the same, in reverse. I know the command line is: mount -t smbfs //dread/c /mnt/dread/c Which translates into the /etc/fstab entries as: //dread/c /mnt/dread/c smbfs noauto,owner,ro 0 0 //dread/data /mnt/dread/d smbfs noauto,owner,ro 0 0 However, I still get prompted for a password. Is there a way I can make this happen? -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) When you have an efficient government, you have a dictatorship. -- Harry Truman * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Wedding picture...
On Mon, 20 May 2002, Jon Hall wrote: Well, we can assume that it is after the actual wedding (since the groom is in the presence of the bride in her full regalia), but before they actually left for the honeymoon. Well, no, we broke with tradition, and got our pictures taken before the ceremony -- much smoother that way. This was actually us, about five minutes -before- the ceremony, printing out our vows. (Then Linux played an integral role as it automated the re-scaling/printing of the digital pictures of all of our guests, which then got pasted into the guestbooks. Very cool.) Hmmm, my computer is probably the last thing that I would be using at that time, but I note that both of them are busy at the keyboard, so it looks like a long and happy relationship. Indeed! Best of luck! And thanks! -Ken md -- = Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(SM) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (SM)Linux International is a service mark of Linux International, Inc. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Samba in /etc/fstab?
On Mon, 20 May 2002, Thomas M. Albright wrote: Since I'm a one-man operation, that's not a big issue. If someone else gets in enough to read fstab, Ive got more to worry about than a windows password. :) Regardless, there is no password required. Would the fstab then be: //host/resource /mount/point smb guest 0 0 Well, being as I've never tried to mount a Windows resource that didn't require a password, I can't state anything authoritatively, but it certainly seems as if that would be correct. One way to find out, right? Just enter the line in your /etc/fstab, and do a mount -a, and see what happens. One thing you might consider, though... since it's a Windows box, it might (eh-hem) have to reboot at some point; I believe you might get stale filehandles (though I honestly don't know). You might consider making this an automount point with a timeout. Yes, a fair bit of extra work (especially if you don't know automount), but awful handy. -Ken Thanks! -Ken On Mon, 20 May 2002, Thomas M. Albright wrote: Here at my office, when my Win98 machine boots, it mounts my Linux box as a Network Drive. I'd like to have My Linux box do the same, in reverse. I know the command line is: mount -t smbfs //dread/c /mnt/dread/c Which translates into the /etc/fstab entries as: //dread/c /mnt/dread/c smbfs noauto,owner,ro 0 0 //dread/data /mnt/dread/d smbfs noauto,owner,ro 0 0 However, I still get prompted for a password. Is there a way I can make this happen? -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) When you have an efficient government, you have a dictatorship. -- Harry Truman * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) We shall never conquer Ireland while the Bards are there. --Elizabeth I of England. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: vi humor(!?), plus useful info
Just remember what the middle two letters of evil are. Coincidence? I think not. -Ken On Fri, 17 May 2002, Michael Bovee wrote: Speaking of vi... Apologies if this has been run into the ground too many times already, but a sysadmin friend sent the following link my way today: http://www.splange.freeserve.co.uk/misc/vi.html Basically seems like an amusing introduction to the cult of vi for the un-enlightened, like me! --Michael * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Dealing with spaces in filenames re: scripts...
Hello, all. As previously noted, I just got hitched. I've also got a bunch of pictures, now (good ones, too!), and I'd like to munge 'em down small with convert or mogrify or somesuch. However, I've got spaces in the filenames. While it would be moderately trivial to s/ /_/g; I would prefer to do it the right way, as much to have it work in this instance as to have it ready for future reference. But I can't, for love or money, figure out how. Here's what I want to do (more or less): for i in * do mogrify -geometry 30%x30% $i echo Done with $i done Unfortunately, it takes each seperate word as a different paramater. I -know- I've done this before, but I just can't remember how. Suggestions? Thanks, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: /etc/fstab beginner question
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Michael Bovee wrote: The vanilla SuSE 7.3 install on my Mac PowerBook (PPC) contains a line in /etc/fstab for /dev/fd0. 1) does fd0 strictly mean floppy disks or can that generically be used for zip disks, too? /dev/fd0 -generally- means the first real floppy disk. However, one could always create a link to some other, real, device file should the situation warrant (eg. cdrom to /dev/hdc, or mouse to /dev/psaux). Note that the traditional use of fd0 doesn't include things like USB floppies and Zip disks, etc... but, as just described, it doesn't mean you couldn't break with tradition for convenience's sake, so long as you're aware of potential wupses from possibly breaking scripts, etc. 2) if there's any value in adding lines to /etc/fstab for Mac and PC formatted zip disks, can I call them special devices of my own choosing such as /dev/hdc1 and /dev/hdc2 or perhaps /dev/hdb? See, I'm unclear on the rules of naming devices, basically. No -- /dev/* refers to a *device*, not to a volume. (The Amiga used to make a very obvious, and handy, distinction between the two. Ah, the good ol' days...) So it's irrelevant what format floppy you put in the device; it's still handled by the same /dev entry. 3) if I set up zip devices and they work, is it still inadvisable to remove the fd0 entry? If you don't have a real floppy disk installed, there's not really any driving need to have /dev/fd0 except, again, for scripts etc. that might be looking for it. There's a -slew- of stuff in /dev that nobody generally uses... but they *might*, so the distributions continue to include them. This was the whole idea behind devfs: a filesystem that would *dynamically* create /dev/ entries as needed. Alas, for reasons generally having to do with the embedded developers, it really isn't going anywhere. At some point Linus may lay down the law, but I'm not sure I'd hold my breath. (I'm new enough to *nix that I'm timid about adding things to this file without being certain of the consequences ahead of time :0) Always good to ask! Thanks for the well-reasoned, well-written questions! -Ken Thank You, --Michael * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Political Activism: Save Internet Radio
On Mon, 13 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: http://www.saveinternetradio.org/ http://www.somafm.com/carp/ Even if you don't listen to net radio, call, e-mail, or otherwise notify your reps that you want this bill stuck down and that you want to save internet radio! About a month ago, I e-mailed a somewhat modified version of the middle-of-the-road e-mail off the top link to both my senators and my congressman; yesterday, in the snail-mail, I received a very informative and in-depth letter from Senator Gregg, detailing (somewhat elusively) where he stood, and what was going on. Were the accompanying documentation from the library of Congress not several pages long, I would transcribe it here for perusal, but the bottom line is that, thanks to the DMCA (my, what a surprise) Internet radio is viewed differently than AM/FM broadcasts, and is to be billed differently. The currently arrived-at billing is incredibly out-of-sorts with regards to their analog radio counterparts; nevertheless, since it was arrived at by arbitration, it is being presented to the Librarian of Congress, a position that, until yesterday, I didn't even know existed. He can, unilaterally, decide whether to implement, alter, or impose his own rates. While many people have apparently made their views clear, only the parties covered by arbitration really have a say -- and, surprise, surprise, they -are- making themselves heard. Based on what the letter seemed to imply, I think that there is cause for cautious optimism, though I don't know if I was reading too much between the lines. I don't have the paperwork with me, so I can't swear to this, but I believe The Final Word (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) is due to come down on or near 5/25. Note: IANAL; if I got any of this wrong, please forgive me, but I think I touched on the particulars. If anyone is truly interested, give me a fax number, and I'll fax over the stuff sometime tomorrow. -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ATA disks and controllers (was: Hoss Traders)
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote: I'm more interested in the fact that WDC will RMA the drive for two years longer than Maxtor will. 3-year vs 5-year warranty. I dunno; a five-year warranty on a hard drive strikes me as being akin to the warranty on a $5.95 calculator I saw once: free, but please include $10.00 SH. After five years, odds are good you could replace the hard drive multiple times over with whatever the trailing edge in hard drives is. Heck -- some seven years ago, I lost a bet that hard drives wouldn't hit $300/GB in a certain timeframe (I was off by a month or two); now it's darn close to a DOLLAR a GB. Which is just obscene. ;-) $.02, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: On GNU/Linux
While I agree with Derek, I also agree with whoever it was that said this was water under the bridge -- I seem to recall seeing first mention of this some two or even three years ago. I also recall that, at the time, rms was seriously considering a much more enjoyable transformation of the name (to my aesthetic senses, at least): Lignux. ;-) Nevertheless, this is a case of one man, rms, fighting a fight that nobody else really gives a hoot about. Well, okay, we care... but we don't agree with rms, and, while he is a -very- vocal proponent, he's perhaps the ONE person on the planet who has this stance. Everyone else is in favor of Linux, and, de facto or de jure (common usage and Linus' trademark, respectively), so it is, whether Mr. Stallman agrees or no. $.02, -Ken On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As we all know, rms started a campaign to get people to call Linux systems GNU/Linux instead of Linux. His goal is to improve the perceived recognition of the FSF and the GNU Project - a reasonable goal. However I believe this method of achieving that goal is misguided, and motivated largely by selfish reasons. If you were swayed by his argument, and have begun to call Linux systems GNU/Linux then I ask you to reconsider your position. What follows is an essay I wrote in support of that proposition. The term GNU/Linux operating system is a fallacy and a subversion of intellectual property rights perpetrated by Richard M. Stallman (rms), on account of his egomaniacal rejection of the popularity of Linux in over his own operating system (GNU Hurd), and what he feels is a lack of recognition for the work the GNU project has done to make free software workable and usable. While I respect rms and the work he and the GNU project have done to bring high-quality free software to my desktop, on this point he is simply wrong. An operating system is defined as the software which interacts directly with the hardware, providing common services to programs and isulating them from hardware idiosyngracies. Viewing the system as a set of layers, the operating system is commonly called the system kernel, or just the kernel, emphasizing its isolation from user programs.[1] The term operating system is defined this way in virtually every major text on the subject. In a Linux distribution, then, the operating system is the Linux kernel, and only the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel was originally created and written by Linus Torvalds of Finland (who owns the trademark Linux in the U.S. and other countries), and not by the GNU project. It is not, and has never been a part of the GNU project. While it is clear that GNU and Linux have close ties, to associate GNU with Linux in this manner therefore can only be a spurious association. It is true that all Linux distributions contain a large amount of software written by the GNU project. rms feels that the GNU project is not recognized by many users of Linux systems as having contributed software that makes up a significant percentage of any given Linux distribution. He feels that it is important to recognize the efforts of the GNU project, for with out them there likely would be no Linux distributions. Here, he has a point. GNU absolutely should be recognized and commended for their work. However, this is irrelevant to the issue of how to name Linux systems. The need for the GNU project to be recognized does not give rms, or anyone else, the right to subvert the names of the products of others. The names they choose, under U.S. intellectual property rights laws, belong to those entities who created the product. It is the Linux distributors, and *only* the distributors of a Linux distribution, who get to decide what the name of their product is. Stallman and the GNU project are quick to use intellectual property rights to their advantage when defending violations of the GPL; it astonishes me that he is willing to take liberties with the intellectual property rights of others in this manner. However he does so here also for reasons motivated by self-interest, so perhaps it is not so surprising. The GNU Public Licence (GPL), the software license under which the GNU project's software is offered, allows anyone generally to reuse, modify, and redistribute software code which it covers, so long as they do so under the terms of the GPL. It does not require the inclusion of the name of the GNU Project, or GNU to be a part of the name of any resulting software. It does not, in fact, require anyone to credit the GNU Project for the software in any way (as in fact software which is covered by the GPL may not have anything to do with the GNU Project. Barring such a term present in the GPL, Stallman has no claim on the names of other people's products. And were one to exist, its enforceability might be questionable, as such a clause may (or
Re: (OT) Hardware Pointers
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Ben Boulanger wrote: If you're upgrading your motherboard for other (various) reasons, I'm quite happy with my AMD Athlon boxes. They're cheap, they're good. I will tell you that you need to pay attention to the heatsink. I recently burned up an older 1.33G of mine while I was swapping it into a different box and (oh, how I loathe to say it) installed the heatsink backwards (there's a little lip to match the socket's lip - wrong side... doh). Ibid. and amen! I'd've thought, based on previous CPU installation experience, that if the heatsink fits, it must be on right. Well... no. Miraculously, while I got *both* heatsinks on the dual-CPU m/b on backwards (I was careful to duplicate the orientation on the second one), only one actually cracked. Be careful. Insofar as DDR vs. SDR, well.. while I believe [faith w/o proof] in DDR more, what's even more important than what kind of RAM is having -enough- RAM. Try to make sure that you're hitting swap as little as possible; while one kind of RAM may be somewhat faster than another, -all- of them are orders of magnitude faster than going to swap. $.02, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: tar failing 'broken pipe'
Misc arbitrary size limits: Filesize on your filesystem (2 GB for FAT and ext2/3 under 2.2, IIRC). Free space on your filesystem. Hmmm... I thought I'd thought of one more, but I guess that that's it. Note that gzipping an already-compressed file (.zip, .jpg, .mp3, etc.) doesn't gain you a whole lot -- it may even take longer, and the resulting filesize may actually be larger than the sum of its components -- a literal, if not intended, definition of synergy. -Ken On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Charles Farinella wrote: I'm trying to create zipped (or unzipped for that matter) archives and getting these errors, mostly while it's doing Windows .zip files. If I break the directory down into smaller pieces, it seems to go ok. Is there something that may have gotten set by mistake to limit the size of a tarball I can make? --charlie -- Charlie Farinella [EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux, Windows(tm), taxes - and privacy. A personal narrative(long)
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote: This year, I used an online service, http://www.taxactonline.com, to do my personal taxes. It worked just fine under Linux, and was quite cheap, too. (The tax calculations are actually free; they just charge to submit them electronically.) I do not know that system would meet your needs (I suspect, in fact, that it would not), but it does give hope that, despite Microsoft's best efforts, some things are migrating to a platformless, web-based world. I did my taxes with www.turbotax.com -- it has partnered with several sites which allow you to file for 50% off ($15 total). When I tried to run it in Mozilla, it whined that it didn't support my browser; I brought it up in Netscape, and it looked -horrible-. BUT, it got me past the check-for-non-compliant-browser; after that, I just cut-and-pasted the URL into Mozilla, and finished off the return quite happily. I imagine that Opera, with its pick which browser you want me to present myself as feature would've bypassed this problem quite handily. $.02 (plus tax, shipping, and handling), -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: How do I format a 1.722 floppy?
Ummm... I'll save you some trouble: tomsrtbt, which does require a 1.722 MB formatted floppy, formats for you as part of the install. I believe it's a shell script in the tomsrtbt directory called setup.sh or somesuch. -Ken On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, Time for another newbie type question. I want to write tomsrtbt, or muLinux to a floppy. They both use 1.722MB floppies. I thought fdformat could do 1.722, but the man page says no. I am using Red Hat 6.2, but updated. TIA, Bob Sparks Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity. Never attribute to stupidity, that which can be explained by lack of information. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Webmail.
Wow! TWIG looks pretty darn cool! Squirrelmail recently has added some preliminary calendar support, as well as some other spiffy add-ons, but I have to admit that TWIG is almost certainly a superior tool for groupware stuff. Couple of questions (which I can't tell from a preliminary glance at the site): - Do scheduled meetings nag attendees (eg. send e-mail notifications)? - Is there any way to globally schedule stuff, for example conference rooms? Is there any somewhat in-depth documentation? While the demo they have at their site is cool (very cool, even), I'd like to be able to have something to actually *reference*. Thanks for the pointer! -Ken On 10 Apr 2002, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 23:59, Ken Ambrose wrote: On a note having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with flat panels, I just want to pipe up and say that Squirrel Mail (currently at v. 1.25) rocks. If any of you are looking for a powerful web-based interface to your IMAP (and, with the proper plugin, even your POP) e-mail server, I strongly suggest you check out http://www.squirrelmail.org. I use webmail to read my home e-mail from work all the time. I used to use IMP, but it started to annoy me (bad line wrapping, dependancies, etc.). I used squirrel-mail for a few weeks, and I have to agree. It was rock solid, and there were a ton of features in the core, and at the time, there were about 50 or so plugins for additional features (many of the plugins are added to the core on a regular basis apparently). In the interest of research, I recently moved on to a system called TWIG (http://twig.screwdriver.net). It is more of a groupware suite, with calendar, todo, contacts, e-mail, etc. Also a good performer (written in PHP), and lot's of features plus plugins. It's more suited for a work environment, which is why I'm looking at it. However, all in all, it's a great app. C-Ya, Kenny -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Fun GNOME Eye candy..
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Ambrose said: - even if it were supported by the hardware, XFree86 would still have to know about it. Non-trivial.) Ahhhm, XFree86 knows about my monitor just fine. Or am I missing your point here? XFree86 doesn't know about your monitor, per-se; rather, it knows about your card. And funky resolutions, unless I'm mistaken, are on a video card-by-video card basis. Rats. Now you're making me doubt myself. This quote from the 4.2.0 release notes seem to back me up, though: Support added to the NVIDIA nv driver for interlaced modes on hardware that supports this, and support for resolutions higher than 1600x1200. So I think resolutions are video-card dependent, and a weird one might very well not be supported across the board, even by cards that are capable of supporting it, and even if XFree86 supports that resolution on other cards. If anyone knows better/more thoroughly than I, though, please do feel free to correct me! It's still the nicest LCD panel I've ever seen; Ayup! Me too! It's painful to go to work in the morning, knowing I'm stuck with a sucky monitor there. Hmmm, maybe I'll make that a stipulation when the economy picks up. I want 4 weeks vacation AND an SGI 1600SW monitor :) Boy, do I wish we had an opening for you; my company just bought two of 'em off E-Bay for one of the engineers (with Oxygen cards -- $1150/ea.). Of course, four weeks' vacation might be somewhat more difficult. ;-) That might not be too far off. My understanding was that the company who was making those monitors was under exclusive contract to Apple for only a finite period of time, and that expired last year some time. We could start seeing them in the near future. Hm... That'd be nice. Anyone else know anything else about this? Well, that, and if RH has another IPO. :( I'd just settle to see their stock jump up 10 or so points :) Amen, brother. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Fun GNOME Eye candy..
I'm using the 1600SW with the #9 TTR-IV card. I didn't realize it wasn't accellerated, but then again, as long I can switch from an xterm to an XEmacs window, what kind of acceleration do I need :) Now, I'm not sure it's *not* acclerated. Maybe I have something configured wrong. I'll have to check into it. Your reasons for not being sure are the basically the same as mine. I've never needed. Now I'm curious enough and have a possible use for it, so I'm going to check into it. In that case, I'll settle any uncertainties: the #9 is -not- accelerated. The only other card that drives the 1600sw, the Oxygen VX1-1600sw, is *kind* of accelerated, but my do-or-die test (tuxracer) still sucks bigtime. Alas, the interface for the 1600sw is proprietary... or, rather, a standard (open LVDS, if anyone cares) that never went anywhere, which is pretty much the same thing. So we 1600sw owners have an *amazing* screen that just won't do a whole lot of good for gaming or other acceleration-required stuff. *sigh* (Note: I believe there -may- be some other cards that actually support the interface, *BUT*: - the 1600sw has a funky resolution of 1600x1024 that most digital video cards don't support, and - even if it were supported by the hardware, XFree86 would still have to know about it. Non-trivial.) It's still the nicest LCD panel I've ever seen; if there were cards that were supported by Linux that drove those new Apple displays, I might be tempted, though. Well, that, and if RH has another IPO. :( -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Fun with flat panels and non-standard standards.
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ben Boulanger wrote: http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/SV/sgi1600sw(2).shtml Now that I look more, they used some kind of SGI breakout box... So that probably cuts it down to any video card that supports 1600x1024, I would imagine. That would be the SGI multilink adapter. Which... works. Kinda. Well, okay, I'll be more blunt: when taking analog input, it just plain sucks -- it's amazing how utterly disgusting a perfectly beautiful LCD panel can look when it's driven with analog input. Which is why I scoff at (most) all of the LCD panels at CompUSA -- the vast majority -only- have analog input. Unless you are buying an LCD panel for form-factor reasons ONLY, do not EVER consider buying one that doesn't have a DVI input. It's like night and day, and I'm not exaggerating. As for digital input, I haven't found many video cards that output 1600x1024 in digital mode. (IIRC, the GeForce 3 did, but it was in the vast minority.) Didn't look too hard, I'll grant you, but they're few and far between. To my surprise, there -is- a difference between what most cards can drive in analog mode, and what they can drive in digital mode. $.02, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Webmail.
On a note having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with flat panels, I just want to pipe up and say that Squirrel Mail (currently at v. 1.25) rocks. If any of you are looking for a powerful web-based interface to your IMAP (and, with the proper plugin, even your POP) e-mail server, I strongly suggest you check out http://www.squirrelmail.org. It has just a stunning number of features, including a truly easy-to-implement wide-ranging series of plugins. It's also written with simplicity in mind -- all of the core code is straight PHP HTML; not even Javascript, though Javascript plugins are allowed. It is web-based, so you still have the click-and-wait latency that's the hallmark of most any web server-based application, but it's a darn fine tool, and nothing but a joy to use and maintain. Oh, and, lastly, it's being actively developed by a helpful bunch of folk; the mail list is fairly noise-free (with occasional exceptions), and almost always helpful. -Ken There is no spoon. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH7.2 install question
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone install RH7.2, have the X config go smoothly, have it tell you that GNOME would be your desktop, choose a graphical login, and still have it present you with a text login? Well, I've never had a problem with it, but then, I usually select text for my login -- I hate waiting for X to come up if I don't need it. However, it's an easy fix, regardless of what the root cause might be. Add the following line to the end of your /etc/inittab file: x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon Unless I'm mistaken, that'll fix the whole shebang -- it puts you into runlevel 5, which is just techno-babble for GUI login. -Ken I know there are probably a bunch of errata packages available for 7.2, and I don't really care about that right now. I'm just trying to determine if the behavior I'm seeing is normal 7.2 behavior, or it's something I screwed up in the installation. If this really is a bug, and something fixed with an update package, great, if not, great, I just need to know right now :) (obviously I can get X to start if I need to, I'm just curious about whether this is expected behavior or not) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: slide show software
Note that xv isn't free (speech) software; if you care about things like that, you might consider kview, which also has a slideshow option. It's GUI, so you don't have as granular control as xv, but it's pretty nice. $.02 -Ken On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Mansur, Warren wrote: The XV program will trivially display in sequence, with specified timeouts and many other optional characteristics, as many images as you can mention to it. A commandline like xv -wait 3 *.gif would cycle through all the images with a 3 second delay... (gee - you might have to say -loop as well..) Thanks to all for their answers. I ended up using xv and it's working great! Regards, Warren * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: slide show software (fwd)
Eh-hem. Read them thar threads. ;-) [Note that I, too, skip the odd message; I guess this is one we are all guilty of, occasionally.] Also, I have little doubt that, with some sweat, Gimp could be made to do most anything up to and including your dishes. Someday, I'll actually -learn- the darn application. -Ken D'Ambrosio (despite whatever the header may say; long story) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:15:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Ambrose (a/k/a D'Ambrosio) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mansur, Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: slide show software Note that xv isn't free (speech) software; if you care about things like that, you might consider kview, which also has a slideshow option. It's GUI, so you don't have as granular control as xv, but it's pretty nice. $.02 -Ken On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Mansur, Warren wrote: The XV program will trivially display in sequence, with specified timeouts and many other optional characteristics, as many images as you can mention to it. A commandline like xv -wait 3 *.gif would cycle through all the images with a 3 second delay... (gee - you might have to say -loop as well..) Thanks to all for their answers. I ended up using xv and it's working great! Regards, Warren * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Humorous Neal Stephenson reminiscences...
Just doing some late-night (early morning?) surfing, and bumped into a nugget I'd forgotten about: http://www.io.com/~mccoy/beginning_print.html In the Beginning... Was the Command Line, by Neal Stephenson, of Cryptonomicon (etc.) fame. It's a fairly lengthy and somewhat introspective glance at computers today, and where they came from. One bit I really enjoy is where he contrasts the (then) current OS offerings as this metaphor: clunky old station wagon (Windows), hermetically-sealed Eurocar (Apple), Bat Mobile (BeOS), and hyper-cool/stable tank (Linux). The group giving away the free tanks only stays alive because it is staffed by volunteers, who are lined up at the edge of the street with bullhorns, trying to draw customers' attention to this incredible situation. A typical conversation goes something like this: Hacker with bullhorn: Save your money! Accept one of our free tanks! It is invulnerable, and can drive across rocks and swamps at ninety miles an hour while getting a hundred miles to the gallon! Prospective station wagon buyer: I know what you say is true...but...er...I don't know how to maintain a tank! Bullhorn: You don't know how to maintain a station wagon either! Buyer: But this dealership has mechanics on staff. If something goes wrong with my station wagon, I can take a day off work, bring it here, and pay them to work on it while I sit in the waiting room for hours, listening to elevator music. Bullhorn: But if you accept one of our free tanks we will send volunteers to your house to fix it for free while you sleep! Buyer: Stay away from my house, you freak! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: SCSI Problems
I have to disagree. I remember 1.0.0, 1.2.0, 2.0.0, and 2.2.0 -- *all* of them had their share of nay-sayers. And I have to disagree with you. I've generally found that if you want your system to actually work well and reliably, you'll want to wait until at least the point where Linus has passed the kernel on to the stable maintainer. Even then, you can have problems. The 2.2 series didn't really solidify until 2.2.18, which had a security problem which caused 2.2.19 to be released soon after. Unfortunately, the fix didn't, and 2.2.20 was eventually released to finally (hopefully) fix the hole. I wasn't arguing that dot-oh releases were stable. I *was* arguing that there's always been a crowd who hearkens for yesteryear, and wants the current major rev. thrown in the garbage. specs. When it came to SCSI, my mantra used to be There is no adapter but Adaptec, and I am their prophet, but this has, alas, changed... and it's not 2.4's fault if Adaptec's made this happen. I'm familiar with the arguments, and they make some sense. As for whether or not it's the kernel developer's fault the Adaptec drivers don't work: No, but it doesn't much matter either if you have Adaptec hardware, does it? If it don't work, it don't work. Plain and simple. Indeed. But this has held true for ages. Go read the 1.x ethernet notes on the 3c501 ethernet card, where the NIC code author, *in writing*, offers $5 for each 3c501 sent to him, and thus taken off the market. (He was willing to accept the PROMs off the board, just in case anyone thought he was in the second-hand NIC market.) Sometimes buggy stuff gets out -- either hardware or software. And, sometimes, the answer is: tough luck. Ask me how I felt when XFree86 4.0 dropped support for my spiffy SGI flatpanel digital display video card... and how amazingly happy I was when it returned with 4.1. By which point I'd already spent $500 for an amazingly unsatisfactory analog solution. As for other issues with 2.4 -- they're getting worked on. After the fiasco that was 2.4.15, I think they're pretty much to the point where it's a usable, production-ready kernel. Maybe... but would you bet your company's life on it? Oh, come, come: now we're devolving into histrionics. You're beginning to sound like an MS FUD-meister. As *always*, with *any* OS, you try as best you can to understand the risks, and how it would impact your company were something bad to happen, and work with it. I *have* been running my company on 2.4 code, with (almost) no glitches. (In early 2.4 series stuff, I found eepro100 virtual interfaces to disappear after some five or so hours. Annoying.) Would I want to run a life-support system on it? Well, no, probably not. But truth be told, I'm not sure what I *would* want to run a life-support system on. I am, however, reasonably confident in the fact that, were one of the systems to have a kernel panic, thanks to the joy that is journaling filesystems, I would have about a three-minute downtime, and no corrupted data. So far, though, I've only had one system pull a kernel panic on me: a 2.2 system, three times, before I ironed out the ReiserFS bug... that, yes, had already been banished from the 2.4-series kernels (it was a max filesize-related issue). Like security, stability is an ongoing process -- if I may borrow from those stupid posters, it's a journey, not a destination. And please note that I'm *not* defending 2.4's track record, per-se, but rather the fact that for the vast majority of users, it's likely to be pretty much as stable as 2.2... and, perhaps in some cases (*gasp*) moreso. And let's not forget -- 2.4 has some pretty nifty features, to boot. So, if you want a fairly mature kernel, with the majority of glitches dispatched, 2.2.x is probably your baby. If you want a kernel that takes better advantage of multi-processor hardware, larger filesizes, in-kernel HTTP server of static pages, blah, blah, blah, but a somewhat flakier VM, etc., etc., etc., then 2.4 is a more likely choice. So long as your choice is an informed one, and takes your company's needs into account, it's probably the right choice -- despite the lack of absolutes. $2*10^-2 -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RFC re: Talk on LVS
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Paul Lussier wrote: I've had someone volunteer to do a talk about the Linux Virtual Server. This person recently delivered this talk at LISA and has volunteered to present it to the MELBA group (tentatively February). [...] http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org Please let me know if you'd be interested in this topic. If I get enough positive feedback, I'll proceed booking the speaker. Hey, Paul: I hadn't heard about it before, but, now that I have, I admit that I'm interested. I don't know if I speak for others on here, but one of the questions that would define my level of interest is: any idea how ready for prime-time LVS is, yet? In principle, it sounds like an ideal way to have high-availability for (a|my) company, but not if it's still going through growing pains. I see it's at .9.8, which sounds promising: do you have any further info? Thanks! -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: linux laptop question
Warning, Warning, Will Robinson: I had (eh-hem) some fun in installing RH on my Vaio: the floppy drive is USB, and I had to install off of network or CD-ROM, both of which would be accessed via PCMICA. HOWEVER, since the floppy's USB, while I could boot from it in legacy mode, it wouldn't recognize the PCMCIA floppy to save my life. Don't recall what my final resolution was (I was doing a fresh install), but in your case, I'd copy the ISO's locally, and do a hard drive install. Good luck! -Ken On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: First, I'd like to express my amazement that you actually got Linux to run on a Viao at all ;-) In order to upgrade it, I would suggest using RedHat's upgrade path. Make a boot disk before doing anything, then just boot off of the latest/greatest CD and select upgrade instead of install. I believe that there is also some sort of central repository (up2date, I think) that will update your system for you. You could, if you feel like being creative, grab everything from their FTP site and `rpm -Uvh *`, but that could cause a few problems. Either that, or you could install Debian and do an `apt-get dist-upgrade` ;-) C-Ya, Kenny Joshua S. Freeman wrote: i have an old vaio laptop with VA 'enhanced' Redhat linux 6.2 with kernel 2.2.19 and 2.2.18 on it... It has apache, PHP and postgres on it but not MySQL... I want to update it. i want to use it for continuing my learning of PHP/MySQL and perl.. etc... What's the most painless way to give it a new kernel and a new version of straight RedHat latest/greatest? I'm basically looking for a path to follow that will get me updated but which minimizes the risk of me accidentally blowing away the OS or locking myself out... I know just enough about these things to be dangerous... mainly to myself. Any advice appreciated! TIA, j. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * -- --- Kenneth E. Lussier Geek by nature, Linux by choice PGP KeyID C0D2BA57 Public key http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xC0D2BA57 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Don't forget... Leonid meteors peak tonight
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Wayne wrote: Quit sending us this garbage. Thanks. I'm sorry, Wayne, but I think you're in the wrong, here. While this is clearly a Linux list, it's not a list exclusively about Linux, somuch as a list used by people who use Linux. Folks who use Linux generally have some varied interests (see Slashdot for a good example), and they generally lean toward geeky and science/math stuff, as well. In the couple of years that I've been on this list, I've seen (and participated in) discussions that range from esoteric kernel options to 9/11 events to government policing, and, yes, meteors. Only once has there been a thread on here that I thought was an absolute waste of everyone's time, and that was a rather one-sided wannabe-flamewar that spent a whole lot of time not going anywhere. So, granted, meteors are *not* Linux-related. They are, however, guilty by association. For those that aren't interested, the d key can't be that far away, and for those of us pulling late nights 'cause of Windoze, it's nice to realize that in an hour or three, we might have a reason to pop our heads out the door. -Ken (damn, it's 10:50 p.m. and I'm hating BG more than usual) D'Ambrosio (Who just also realized that, as per shave and a haircut, two bits, one bit = $.125, therefore, eight bits = $1 = 1 byte. Coincidence? I think not. Yes, it's too late to be working on broken BillBoxen and trying to think, at the same time.) WH -Original Message- From: Karl J. Runge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Don't forget... Leonid meteors peak tonight The following has nothing to do with Linux besides being extremely geeky. Please note: I didn't participate in the TARDIS discussion earlier this week. If it is clear tonight at about 5:00 AM EST the Leonids meteor shower should put on quite a show, maybe upwards of 1000 meteors per hour (i.e. one every few seconds). It might not be this good again until 2099! My daughter and I watched the peak last year and saw rates over 100 per hour and also saw an incredible fireball that cast shadows and trail remained for about 3-4 min. Set the coffee-maker. http://www.amsmeteors.org/ http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/leonid_watching_011106-1.ht ml * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Don't forget... Leonid meteors peak tonight
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, mike ledoux wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:26:21PM -0800, Wayne wrote: Quit sending us this garbage. Thanks. Wayne, you need to relax. The message you are complaining about is almost a month old, and was a helpful reminder for many of us that would have otherwise missed a great show. Hmmm. You'd think after almost 15 years on the Internet, I'd've learned to READ THE DATES. Wups. I never remember the meteor showers' names, and thought a new one might've been in the works. Ah, well... -K * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: xinetd and custom programs
Worked fine for me when I cut-and-pasted yours into my xinetd.d directory,
and re-started xinetd. I'm guessing that we actually have to pay
attention to the error message:
can't get client address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Is it possible that your IP(chains|tables) is blocking this? I'm guessing
it's stopping it on the client side; you might try, from the server,
doing a
telnet 127.0.0.1 666
and see what happens. If that works, it's time to work over your firewall
config.
-Ken
On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Jeff Macdonald wrote:
Hi,
Anybody runnig their own program out of xinetd? I can't get event simple
stuff to work like ls:
service unlisted
{
type= UNLISTED
protocol= tcp
socket_type = stream
wait= yes
user= root
server = /bin/ls
server_args = /
port= 666
}
I keep getting this in /varlog/messages:
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3113]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3114]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3115]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3116]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3117]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3118]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3119]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3120]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3121]: warning: can't get client
address: Transport endpoint is not connected
Dec 8 21:58:59 localhost xinetd[3107]: unlisted service was deactivated
because of looping
Telnetting to 666 should just produce a list of /. I just get 'Connection
closed by foreign host'.
Could someone else try this?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Samba and PAM
If you find out, please let me know; I'd be very interested in using PAM authentication (or even LDAP, if you feel so inclined ;-). As it currently stands, I'm able to password synchronization when passwords are changed, but I'm not able to automagically use the MD5 passwords. Thanks, -Ken On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: Hi All, I have the dubious chore of setting up a Samba PDC for my office. I currently have a Linux system that all users have an account on. All of the passwords are MD5 passwords using shadow. These are the usernames and passwords that I want to use, but I don't want everyone to have to manually set their password, then sync them to the UNIX password. I have read in a few places where Samba can use PAM. Does this mean that there is a way to not use the smbpasswd file, and just authenticate users to the domain usinf PAM/Login? Has anyone done anything like this before and know of any pointers? TIA, Kenny - There's nothing you shouldn't speak of if you've got something to say, and there's no one to be scared of, just get them out of your way. -- The Alarm * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Fwd: SANS NewsBites Vol. 3 Num. 49
To: DEREK MARTIN (SD544808) From: Alan for the SANS NewsBites service Re: December 5 SANS NewsBites Goner is a dangerous worm that is spreading far too rapidly. However, it caused no problem at all in those organizations that block attachments of most malicious types. [...] AP I, personally, found the e-mail interesting and informative. Thanks, Derek! However, AP's opinion is, in my oh, s humble opinion, silly. Gee, doctor, the patient has a headache. Quick, get out that axe, nurse! One shouldn't be forced to change a fully-functioning server's configuration to attempt to cope with buggy software. And keeping all executable attachments from being mailed is Just Dumb. I think it's stooopid that MS is going to enforce this behavior with Office XP (or, at least, so said reports re: the Office XP beta), and I think servers that enforce this are equally dumb. What do you mean you didn't get the NDA from the lawyer? Well, the server thought it was a virus because it had an extension of .DOC. While I grant that there might be some validity in considering any MS attachment a virus, to immediately reject them out-of-hand is nothing short of pure idiocy. Instead, a multi-pronged approach should be used: - Always, relentlessly, drive into your users' heads that they must be cautious and vigilent in opening attachments, no matter how innocuous they appear. Importantly, immediately after hearing a (reliable) report of a new virus, inform all your users. The virus you guard against at the server, that slips in through Yahoo Mail, is one that shouldn't be allowed in, regardless. - Most e-mail server mailing lists cook up a filter for the virus-du-jour a few hours after the virus is announced. Make use of said filter. - Immediately, and without hesitation, zap that damn feature in Winblows wherein file extensions are hidden from the user, thus making something like pieBillGates.MPG.scr look like pieBillGates.MPG. - Have some virus detection software on your client PCs. Have it update *daily*, preferably from an in-house source so you have control over it. Viruses suck, but they're a fact of life for the modern sysadmin. It's up to us to be vigilent, but not unthinkingly so -- we still have users to support, who rely heavily on e-mail. There is absolutely no reason an intelligent, pro-active sysadmin should need to emasculate his mail server... and, possibly, force people into creating and making use of backdoors akin to Yahoo Mail. $.02 (+/- $3.1415E7) -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: does this make any damn sense at all?
Okay: first things first -- can you telnet to port 110 on pop.threeofus.com, from her machine? Here's a sample session of how I do it: telnet ursa 110 Trying 10.20.1.31... Connected to ursa.xanoptix.com (10.20.1.31). Escape character is '^]'. +OK ursa.xanoptix.com Cyrus POP3 v1.5.19 server ready user kend +OK Name is a valid mailbox pass foopass +OK Maildrop locked and ready list +OK scan listing follows 1 1549 2 2414 3 2353 4 2397 5 2381 What this has done is actually exactly the same as what a POP mail client does: it logs in, authenticates, then lists the messages in the inbox, along with their sizes. (You can then look at the contents of the messages with the retr command, thusly: retr 1.) If you're not able to log in with the above, it looks like something is probably broken. As I was able to connect to your POP server, but got no challenges when I entered user foo, I'm wondering if your POP server is really working. You might want to check your /etc/services and xinetd config, and make sure that the correct application for port 110 is being launched. Good luck! -Ken On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Joshua S. Freeman wrote: I have an ISDN line coming into my house. I have a network running there that contains, among other things, a mailserver... 'pop.threeofus.com' and 'mail.threeofus.com'... I have an account there, my wife has an account on the machine.. a few other people do too... these are all pop accounts. We also have an ATT cable modem. Plugged into that is an wireless base station which has a built in dhcp server. Before @home folded, my wife had no problem connecting to the 'net via ATT/@home cable via her wireless card and picking up mail with a pop client off my network on the ISDN line... After ATT took over the @home network, she can still connect to the 'net via ATT via her wireless card, but she can NO LONGER pick up her mail with a pop client off the home network on the ISDN line. I firmly believe the problem lies with ATT.. but I'm not 100% sure.. can anyone assist me in trouble shooting this?.. my wife is tired of using webmin to read her mail on the linux mail server on my network. TIA, J. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.threeofus.com -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ext3
Benjamin Scott carefully scribed: My understanding is that ext3 performance is almost identical to ext2. The only thing ext3 adds is a journal, which is stored as a special inode in (i.e., like a file). So unless you have something which interacts badly with the journal algorithms, it should act just like ext2 -- because it is just like ext2. :) Bingo. Hell: you can even take an ext3 partition and mount it as ext2 -- you lose nothing but the journaling. ReiserFS, well, I'm personally skeptical. I have no experience with it at all, so I can't speak about it's merits or drawbacks. ReiserFS has been in use by SuSE in their distro for years, and is considered fairly solid and mature under Linux. I know SourceForge is (was?) using ReiserFS for their several-hundred-gigabyte download server. ReiserFS is the only one of the many journaling filesystems for Linux in the so-called stable kernel. It is one of the few with patches available for the 2.2 series. Well, Ben -- you're close. ReiserFS does have all those merits (and more besides; the new ReiserFS tools do a *wonderful* job of metadata regeneration when things hit a brick wall), but ext3 is, as of 2.4.15, in the kernel. We have been using it for a little while now with one of our customers. They have a 543 gigabyte filesystem which has been working quite well. Definitely faster than ext2 for their application. My company's RAID is running on a 2.2-kernel RFS for over a year, now, and has worked fine with one (1) glitch in all that time: it got foobarred when someone tried to create a larger-than-four-GB-file. This limitation is moot under 2.4, but, for myriad reasons, I haven't yet had an opportunity to upgrade. Yes, and actually, NameSys has four or five people available to answer the phone, not just Hans Reiser. ;-) I believe support is $25 US per hour, one hour minimum. Their mailing list is not bad. Their developers are fairly responsive. Try getting FS support like that out of M$ for under $200/hr! The biggest complaint I have is that the userland tools and documentation are a little unpolished. They do the job, but the user experience is a little harsh. Aside from the usual problem of kernel hackers can't design UIs or write docs, I believe English is a second language for all the ReiserFS hackers. (Then again, I'm sure their English is better than my Russian.) The userland tools have improved in the past six months or so; the docs are still the same -- Russianized English. But, insofar as docs from another continent go, it sure beats most of the ones I see translated from (say) Mandarin, on where my MB jumpers go. As always, YMMV, but I definitely prefer ReiserFS. I see RH's rationale for going with ext3: in-place upgrades were a no-brainer. But ext2/3 have some inherent limitations that are going to become more evident with time, whereas most of ReiserFS's limitations deal with optimization, which (we are assured) ReiserFS 4.x (due out late next year) are supposed to fix. In the meantime, I'll take a 2.4 JFS any day. Why? Simple. Most people think of JFS's as an easy way to avoid FSCK. And this is true. But there's a more important (IMHO) reason: with a regular, non-journaling filesystem, if you're writing a file when your system crashes, *by definition* you have a corrupted file. If you're really, *really* lucky, you can even have a corrupted filesystem. This is exactly what JFS's avoid -- backing out your changes isn't just a timesaver when rebooting, it's a *data* saver. Win/win. Oh, one last note: Ben was correct a couple e-mails ago: ReiserFS is compiled into the RH 7.1/7.2 kernels. With the correct install floppy (check the download section of namesys.com), you can install Reiser as part of the RH install -- all it does is modify the Anaconda install script a wee little bit. If you're not dealing with large files, or larger filesystems, it's probably not worth your time, but I'll continue to use ReiserFS on all my critical servers. $.02, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ext3
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Paul Lussier wrote: Clarification: You do not need to check-and-repair a journaling filesystem after a crash. The system automatically replays the journal when you mount the filesystem. You can still run a full check-and-repair on a journaling filesystem (and indeed, after a crash, you may have reason to). Running that check-and-repair (i.e., with fsck or whatever) will take as long as it ever did. Well, it should be a little faster, shouldn't it? No. Why would it be? When a FS runs a full check-and-repair cycle, regardless of whether it's journaling or not, it's got an *awful* lot of disk to read -- that's why waiting for FSCK sucks so FSCK'ing [sic] much. However, with a JFS, you're usually (read: almost always) able to avoid the check-and-repair stuff, as that's part of the inherent functionality of a JFS. So, what happens? If I were to turn my computer off, right now, and reboot, I'd notice no difference in boot times between it (a ReiserFS system) and an ext-2 that had shut down cleanly; I suppose if I timed it, I might notice a one- or two-second difference, though I don't even know in whose favor it would be. However, turning off an ext-2 system means it's FSCK time... and that, as Ben pointed out, can take HOURS if you've got enough disk. With JFS, you just don't have to sweat that. When your 500GB server takes a hit with a JFS, you just power it back on, and go from there; if you really want to run an FSCK, simply wait until a more prudent time (eg. the weekend), and have at. Contrast this to your 500GB ext-2 system. -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Compression under journaling FS?
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Paul Lussier wrote: Hmmm, this topic of aliases masking the real behavior of commands by the same name seem vaguely familiar to me. Anyone know where that might have been recently mentioned? Slashdot, freshmeat, LJ? Nahhh, that doesn't sound right. Hmmm, maybe it was in my SysAdmin magazine Hmmm, Oh well. If anyone remembers where I saw that discussed, lemme know, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah -- but, in this case, it was really more a something I would have done anyway, acting in a manner that confused me rather than something I didn't know how to do, or was surprised at non-standard functionality due to aliasing. A subtle difference, granted, but nevertheless a valid one. Ever since I saw a colorized ls under Slackware, lo, these many moons ago, I thought it was awesome. And I'd always been annoyed by the mark *.sh files as executable even if the executable flag isn't set behavior... just not enough to actually *do* anything about it. Mea culpa. One could even go so far as to say that I was bitten by known, but forgotten, behavior. It certainly isn't the alias's fault, though. -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Aliases
Ben Scott Scribed: Aliases are not the problem. The problem is aliasing commands *for someone else*. If I alias 'ls' to 'rm -rf .', then that is my own business, and presumably I have a reason. It is things like Unix and Linux distro vendors setting up default aliases which gets people into trouble. I think that is a bad idea, for all the reasons Paul brings up, and wish vendors would not engage in the practice. Hmmm. A point all of you are making is how bad RH is for aliasing rm -i because it gets you used to it. Well... they don't. Except as root. You guys aren't running as root all the time, are you? ;-) That would be yet another bad thing (YABT). I happen to think it's handy to have rm, when root, changed to rm -i: that way, when I spend the bulk of my time as Joe User, rm works as God intended it, but those times when you run the possibility of having too much power, it's handy to be forced to think things through. And, since it's the exception, and not the rule, it's not like your fingers get used to it. /devil's advocate -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Compression under journaling FS?
Howdy, all -- I'm looking to see if there are any JFSs that support compression; so far, ReiserFS (the one with which I'm most familiar) has come up dry, and I believe the same holds true for EXT-3 (since it's really EXT-2 with journaling, I assume that the bugs and limitations section of the chattr manpage is applicable). Any suggestions, pointers, etc.? Thanks, -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Compression under journaling FS?
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ken Ambrose wrote: Howdy, all -- I'm looking to see if there are any JFSs that support compression... There is a compressing block device somewhere (not sure if it is mainstream or a patch). You could put your JFS on that. You're good, Ben: http://bcl.tuxia.org/ I just wish I could get it to compile; I keep getting make: execvp: /usr/src/linux/scripts/pathdown.sh: Permission denied when I try to make, and I'm not quite sure what it means. -Ken P.S. There's some pretty nifty stuff on tuxia.org; if your interested in Linux using a (generic?) PDA as a platform, you might want to poke 'round. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Compression under journaling FS?
Hey, give me *some* credit, Ben! boy-do-I-feel-dumb Okay, guess what: a feature has bitten me. When one uses ls in RH, it has the --color alias set, something that I normally love. However, the --color feature has one *REALLY* annoying thing. For example, files with +x set show up in green. Handy for executables. Well, so do files that end in .sh -- EVEN IF their executable bits aren't set. As was the case here. Wups. -Ken /boy-do-I-feel-dumb And, yes, it is an untrusted source, but it certainly appears to be legit, and it's from the site itself, instead of off on somebody's somewhere, hidden far, far away... On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ken Ambrose wrote: I just wish I could get it to compile; I keep getting make: execvp: /usr/src/linux/scripts/pathdown.sh: Permission denied when I try to make, and I'm not quite sure what it means. It means the pathdown.sh shell script does not have execute permission for the current user. In fact, it likely does not have execute permission at all. Try chmod a+x /usr/src/linux/scripts/pathdown.sh That will add the execute permission (mode) for all users. #ifdef PARANOID Do note that applying patches from untrusted sources in inherently dangerous. That is the Microsoft platforms have virus problem -- too many people run untrusted programs. #endif /* PARANOID */ -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Problems with XFree86-4.1.0 and SGI 1600SW/#9TTR-IV
Having the 1600sw myself, I think you're SOL: the #9 Revolution isn't, last time I checked, supported by XFree86-4.x. NOTE: IF YOU FIND OTHERWISE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I'm currently stuck using the damn converter box sold by SGI for too much money, and a Matrox, and being that the Matrox wants to talk analog (apparently the DVI doesn't quite work right with the box) it sucks. The 1600sw, in digital mode, is *the best* LCD panel I've ever seen. The 1600sw, in analog mode, just makes me want to cry. Lastly, since #9 went under before SGI ceased production of the 1600sw, I believe that there was an alternative card that supported the 1600sw's proprietary digital interface; the company (whose name I currently can't remember) is still in business, and it's entirely possible that it's supported in XF86 4.x. Again: PLEASE LET ME KNOW if you find any further information on this. Humbly yours, Ken a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words-but-only-when-digital D'Ambrosio when trying to run startx. I have no idea what the problem is. I tried to run xf86config, but I don't know what frequencies I'm supposed to tell it to use since this is an LCD flat panel and thus, doesn't use frequencies. I've attatched the XF86Config file I found on the net from someone else who has the same hardware, which I thought would just work. Anyone else have this monitor/screen setup under XFree86-4? Hardware: PIII 300 Video: #9 TTR Revolution IV Monitor:SGI 1600SW Flat panel OS: Linux Distribution: Debian (sid) Kernel: 2.2.14 (with SGI XFS patches) I've attached both the XF86Config file and log file. Thanks for any help anyone has. Seeya, Paul God Bless America! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: VPN via SSH (was Proxy Question)
Would a VPN using SSH be a viable system for say a school district? Amount of traffic per day would be relatively low. Several school districts looking to implement technology plans, a phrase I really hate, which include VPNs. This is due to need to connect several schools in a secure manner for exchanging student info, etc. Using an open source solution to provide this service would be one more need checked off as available. You'd probably be better off going with a more full-featured VPN solution, such as IPSec. Linux FreeS/WAN[1] works well for this sort of thing. I happen to agree: FreeS/WAN is definitely a more robust solution. It's also more complicated. So, for the home user who wants to give a layer-3 do-it-yourself VPN solution a whirl, I like the VPN-via-SSH deal. If you're looking for higher-end stuff, and also want interoperability with other platforms (oddly enough, Windows doesn't support SSH redirection over virtual interfaces -- imagine that!), IPSec is definitely a good (if not, indeed, the best) choice. There's also PPTP, but I've had mixed success with that, though I have to say that Windows clients for PPTP are a) free (it comes with '98 and W2K), and b) more intuitive and/or easy to use than most all IPSec clients I've seen for the Windows platform. $.02 -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
VPN via SSH (was Proxy Question)
On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Mansur, Warren wrote: Of course, if you allow any port through, anyone can use ssh, connect to their home computer, and do whatever they want. I suppose if they use packet filtering so that they make sure only a subset of packets go through, that would screw ssh up. One thing that I've recently learned of, and used (WARNING: probable IT policy violation), is VPN via SSH. Honest-to-goodness VPN, that is, no pansy port-redirection. Specifically (as per the VPN HOWTO), you can SSH in to your remote host over a virtual (PPP) interface, which uses a helper program to re-direct the SSH stuff over PPP. Took me about two hours to get it working, and now it works pretty darn well. Note that, as with all VPN solutions, there are also routing issues with which to contend. I think of it as the poor man's VPN That Just Works. Check out http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/VPN-HOWTO.html for more info. -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: NHPR bitcasts
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Michael Bovee wrote: As a new guy on the block, and a die hard Macintosh (now *improved* with Linux!) user I'm curious that no one has commented about QuickTime for live streaming. I suppose because its just another proprietary format, but in that respect I would guess it should at least be the equal of Real Audio, which I dislike. What do you folks think about QuickTime? Quicktime, from a purely technical standpoint, is pretty nifty. HOWEVER: 1) It is proprietary, and 2) They don't offer a Linux version. Alas, when you put these two together, you will see virtually no support for Quicktime in the Linux community. (Real, while also proprietary, has had a Linux version, which continues to get updated, for several years now.) Perhaps some day, especially what with OS-X, Apple will come out with a Linux version, but I ain't holding my breath. Apple, unlike Microsoft, seems to just want to ignore the mere existence of Linux. I guess they figure (more or less rightly, I suppose) that Linux and Apple address fairly different market segments, and, therefore, feel no real need to worry about it one way or the other. Of course, in my biased opinion, the best of all possible worlds would be for an open standard to come along. I believe Ogg Vorbis(sp?) has something for streaming, and I'm also pretty sure there's a variable bitrate MP3 streaming format. (While MP3 is still patented, I believe the patent doesn't extend terribly far into the future.) $.02 -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: OT-cool email tricks? :0)
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Paul Lussier wrote: Well, yeah, that's debatable too. I recently sent my resume as a plain text attachment (maybe I should habe included instead of attatched it?) and the recipient followed up with a request for a ..doc version, because when the clicked on the attachment, Notepad messed it all up!. IMNSHO, if the person I'm sending my resume to doesn't like plaintext, I don't want to work for him/her/it. My last three jobs I got through plaintext resumes, and I have no intention of stopping. Granted, I'm in an industry where I can be elitist in this manner (eg. it's unlikely that a graphic artist would be able to get away with it), so I guess I should count my blessings. Regardless, as Ben pointed out, for 99% of my communications, plaintext is fine -- and, when it just isn't enough, I make sure to include a plaintext version, as well. (Netscape is quite good at doing that.) Most all mail tools (Pine, Elm, etc.) can read HTML nowadays, and/or can ignore the HTML if an ASCII version is along for the ride. -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: kernel sources
On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Matthew J. Brodeur wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Tom Rauschenbach wrote: Here's a weird question. Where does one go to get a set of kernel sources ? I'm looking for something distribution neutral. I've done it once but can't figure out where I got it. kernel.org is _the_ source, but I've found that IBiblio (formerly metalab, formerly sunsite) is often faster, and not more than a day behind with their mirror. ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/ If for none other than sentimental reasons (it's where I downloaded my first Linux distribution, Slackware, from), I prefer ibiblio.org (a/k/a sunsite.unc.edu ;-) for most things, but for kernel sources, ftp.kernel.org has its own dynamic mirroring system set up -- just go to ftp.??.kernel.org (where ?? is your country designator, in our case, us), and you'll be bumped to a mirror. Most of them are pretty current, but I have seen some that tend to be a day or two behind. Oh: speaking of sentimental FTP sites, we've got some x-DEC-ies on this list -- whatever happened to ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com? It's still there, and it's still a *huge* repository of good stuff (really good stuff, even -- poke 'round some if you haven't been there before), but the last Red Hat version, for example, is 6.1. Is it dying a slow death? -Ken P.S. Just to annoy Ben, I decided to add a postscript: it looks as if gatekeeper.dec.com is a current kernel site, and it's /blazingly/ fast. My T1 is currently pretty much saturated downloading 2.4.13. P.P.S. (Sorry, Ben!) I just did something I'd never done before: I accessed gatekeeper via HTTP -- it shows an address to e-mail with questions. If I don't hear anything from this list, I'll ping that. And one last tidbit: NOTICE: We no longer permit mounting the archive via NFS. Sory for any inconvenience this may cause. Ah, the good ol' days... * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: kernel sources
On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Karl J. Runge wrote: Speaking of sentimental FTP sites that are close to the GNH area how about ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu ? The toplevel welcome there thanks maddog for the DEC hardware. The response to that machine from my home is so quick, it seems like it is on my LAN! Too bad the site is getting a bit old, the latest kernel tree they have there is v2.3... Jeepers. I'd forgotten about that one. Does anyone else have any others that they look back on fondly? I recall ftp.wustl.edu (still up) and ftp.cdrom.com, which was, once upon a time, the home of Slackware and Cedar Creek(?) Software, but is no more or less a Simtel mirror. If anyone else wants to mail me, I'll gladly compile a list -- whether it be simply a handy site (I always go here for my RH ISO's -- fast, even when the others are bogging, and quick mirror updates, too), or some sentimental reasons. Heck: I'll gladly accept gopher, too. What with the Web, it's sometimes easy to forget that the Internet, and a whole slew of other protocols, existed long before HTTP. Somewhere, I still even have my Internet whitepages that I bought at BN: a big ol' indexed list of sites. -Ken (wanna-be computer historian) D'Ambrosio * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: linux file sharing
I think you're looking for netgroups. Specifically, a list of which NFS clients are allowed to mount (which?) NFS servers. It's not foolproof (IP spoofing might be able to get you somewhere), and it's not secure (it's still unencrypted), but it suddenly goes from I brought my Linux notebook in and did an 'rm -rf' on the development tree by accident. to being a non-trivial endeavor. We used to do it at Cisco all the time -- and users we trusted would get netroup access, and thems we didn't, wouldn't. -Ken On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Derek D. Martin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 08:58:21AM -0500, Ron Peterson wrote: NFSv2 and v3 are both insecure. If the client computer is on my desktop, I can reinstall Linux, give myself root, and then connect as any user I want. Yep, you can. Of course, if you're managing a bunch of Linux machines, and you need to prevent this scenario, you can make it difficult. It sounds like you've already taken root away from your users, which is the first step. Good for you! :) Or you can trust your users... If you prefer the former, you can remove the floppy drive and CD rom drive, and install a BIOS password on the machine. You also will need to make sure that LILO prompts for a password when using anything but the default command line, as should single user mode. This does not make it impossible, but much more work for someone to re-install Linux on your system. And there's a good chance someone will notice them installing drives in their machine... Of course, this is also tantamount to hanging a big tabard from every window in your office that says WE DON'T TRUST OUR USERS! Personally I have no problem with that, but THEY might see it a bit differently... ;) Samba's smbmount can prompt for a password, but not if you use autofs. This is the best solutions I can think of so far, particularly if combined with SSL. You can add the necessary commands to the user's local .profile so that it will prompt for a password and mount the share. You will also need to make sure the share gets mounted somewhere other than the user's home directory... or else it will be busy when you try to mount it (as the .profile will be running from there). Is there other solutions to this problem that I'm not thinking of? If you want to learn how to manage Kerberos, that may work for you... But I'm not sure if there is a good implementation of kerberized NFS for Linux. I think this again may be in the realm of NFSv4. If you do find anything else that works for you, I'd be most interested in the details. This IS a hairy problem... Thanks. - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73B2jdjdlQoHP510RAlPhAJ0Wrn882gBqT/aIPYQbKrOAK3jimgCcCkxx cD7JtHTpHspdGaUAcEkz/9k= =qDsd -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: GNHLUG list to be down this weekend
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Bayard Coolidge USG wrote: There is a planned shutdown for electrical maintenance this weekennd here at Compaq/Spit Brook/Nashua, and the power will be off on Saturday. We've been instructed to shutdown and power off all of our computer eeu^H^Hquipment. The cluster should be back on sometime Sunday. Ah, it's good to see e-mail with some ^H's in it -- I bet some newbies probably get confused when someone makes a smart-as^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H sarcastic comment, and then use ^H's to backspace over them... :-) -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
How do I track down an IP address from an NFS procid?
I've got a runaway NFS process, and I'd *love* to find the culprit... but I don't know how. tcpdump just spews an almost infinite amount of stuff, so that doesn't really do the job. I've perused the netstat and procinfo manpages, and don't see anything pertinent. Is there any way to see who's using what? Thanks, -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: How do I track down an IP address from an NFS procid?
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Paul Lussier wrote: I've got a runaway NFS process Please defing the term runaway NFS process. In what respect is it a runaway. From what perspective, client or server? Runaway a-la the server was bogging due to a client hammering it. I finally found the culprit: decided to kick off multiple simultaneous uploads of his MP3 repository. Which still leaves me wondering, however: is there either a way to track down who's hammering a server and/or to throttle what they're doing? -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Nifty Samba link.
Samba docs have always been vaguelly annoying: the smb.conf file can certainly be a bit disconcerting at first. Well, I'm glad to report that the following link is pretty darn nifty: http://us6.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.html#AEN1146 It gives you a generic smb.conf (2.2.x) configured as a PDC, and every single parameter has a link off to the appropriate manpage entry. Really, really handy. Note, also, that while the main Samba pages infer that the docs haven't been updated since April, late July appears to be closer to the mark. $.02, -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: no keyboard/mouse
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Rich Payne wrote: The only other issue I've come accross is that most PCs can't redirect their BIOS output to the serial port (I gather some newer ones can finally do this), so you're waiting until LILO outputs something. Don't forget some of the open-BIOS projects that are in the cooking. Never used one (yet), but I'm sorely tempted: ridiculously fast boot times, console-to-serial port redirection, and a bunch of other goodies, too. Linux Weekly News did a mini-write-up of them this week; check out www.lwn.net/bigpage.phtml for more info and links. -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Network Appliance-like snapshots?
I seem to recall that someone was working on NetApp-like snapshot functionality for the 2.4(.5?) kernel series. These aren't LVM-like; this is an actual heirarchy of logical files that are actually the original file, with subsequent deltas (thus preserving disk space quite nicely). I would *LOVE* to have this as part of my dream RAID system for my job. Searches, alas, seem to turn up either LVM or NetApp/NFS hits, and nothing pertinent. Perhaps I'm just going senile in my old age? Thanks, -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Browser: Opera
I, myself, haven't used Opera, but I've only heard rave reviews from those who have. If you decide to give it a spin, please give us a review after you've used it a while: Enquiring minds want to know. -Ken On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Taylor, Chris wrote: Has anyone here used Opera for their browser? I'm looking for a good linux alternative to Netscape. thanks in advance - Chris ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: IDE RAID (was: debian install tips?)
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote: The 6200 (two port) version goes for well under $150, IIRC. They have four and eight port versions as well. They support RAID-0 (striping), RAID-1 (mirroring), and RAID-5 (on models with more than two ports). http://www.3ware.com Unhappy newsflash: 3ware is discontinuing their RAID controller series. Apparently, someone in marketing must've noticed that people were buying their $300 RAID cards, then turning around and selling $10K+ turnkey RAID systems... so now that's what they're going to do, instead. *sigh* The EOL announcement was made as of early October (late September?), but they won't cease production/support until 12/31. -Ken P.S. Note that they're discontinuing it to keep others from competing with their RAID box product line, *not* because the cards were selling poorly. Can anyone say wide open market niche? I just hope whoever fills it is as Linux-friendly as these guys were. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
RE: Impatient with cable
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who else out there has Adelphia for cable service? Are you seeing this type of service across the board?!?! I have them for cable TV. They suck at that, too. Their Internet is not even available in my town. But I have encountered several people who are *highly* displeased with them. I got them -- for about the first month, the service S-U-C-K-E-D: downtime more than up (no exaggeration), lost packets out the wazoo, service staff that didn't communicate with each other, etc. However, to their defense: once they got it working, it's been pretty damn stable. Occasionally I lose my connection -- I think it may be a DHCP lease issue, but I'm not sure, and just haven't bothered to troubleshoot it yet. By and large, though, after the initial screwups (for which they refunded money for downtime and then some) they've done reasonably well. I guess that that's really one of the primary non-technical differences between DSL and cable: you call the cable company, you hear We'll get to you in, on... 10 days? You call the phone company, and they're generally out that day, or, perhaps, the next. No, the phone company (CLEC, what-have-you) isn't great, but it's been my experience that they beat the pants off of the cable company. -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Linux on Dell Inspiron 8100
FYI: My laptop has Mandrake 8.0 installed. Kernel 2.4. I will have to try 2.2. (I should have thought of that; everything else in 2.4 is broken, why not power management as well?) I haven't kept up with the thread, but, if you're talking the 2.4.2 that comes with RH 7.1, no, it doesn't have APM compiled in. H. It has been noted in the past that Linux is better about keeping the CPU running cooler than MS-Windows. Maybe it is just that MS-Windows wastes more CPU time, and thus runs hotter, thus keeping the fans on? It does -- most certainly. I've been in *DOS*, doing *NOTHING*, and the fans come on on my Sony. Beats the hell out of me what's going on. Boot to Linux, and, after the initial kernel load and boot, the fan's off within 20 seconds. Go figger. (I've also observed similar behavior in other notebooks, and all flavors of Windows.) -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
$#^@@!!! RPM.
Okay -- something must've gone FUBAR while using RPM to rpm -e something. If I do to rpm -i foo, it tells me that bar is installed. If I go to rpm -e bar, I'm informed that bar is *not* installed. I did an rpm --rebuilddb to no effect. How do I get rid of the incorrect dependency? Thanks, -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Which Kernel?
On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: I was wondering what kernel people are using or recommending for production systems these days. I have been using 2.4.3 for a while on my home systems, and it seems stable enough, but I am certainly no expert. Are there speed benefits for say, a mail server or NFS server? From the sounds of things, both on this list and in other Linux places I've looked, it would appear that latest probably is greatest: 2.4.10 might be the way to fly. Otherwise, I might go with an -ac series kernel, as it sounds as if Alan has pretty much avoided playing with the VM stuff entirely, and has left most of the 2.2 VM code in place. Also, I think you want at least 2.4.7 if you want to be pretty bug-free in your Reiser implementation, and LVM likes at least 2.4.9. I'm sure there are other things of note, as well, but I generally remember the things in which I'm most interested... -Ken P.S. If you're even slightly interested in Win4Lin, though, I suggest you check out their patches page to see which kernels are supported. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Samba Printing.
On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Paul Lussier wrote: Also, for generic Unix things like printing, modem connection, etc. I HIGHLY recommend The UNIX System Admistrator Handbook by Evi Nemeth, et. al. This is perhaps the single most useful book I've ever read, and 99% of it applies to Linux as well as commercial variants of Unix. With this one book, you can figure out how to do almost anything at the system level (i.e. not 3rd party add-on sw config e.g. samba). Oh, c'mon: you left out the single coolest thing about the book. According to its Foreward, The initial draft of the first edition of this book was called 'UNIX System Administration Made Difficult', which seemed appropriate: the '... Made Simple' style of books always seemed to gloss over so many details that they actually made the job harder. Also, unless I'm mistaken (which I'm certain could never happen), I believe the newest edition has a section or two which are Linux-specific; might be very helpful to see what they have to say. So, in summary, I concur with Paul: a definite two thumbs up on The UNIX System Admistrator Handbook. -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Burner Software
xcdroast = good front-end (as in has much functionality, especially current releases), but horrible lack of intuition in design. It's my favorite tool, but it still requires you to figure out the bizarre thinking of its designer. The current release is better, but still has two truly unintuitive things: - The temporary files (or somesuch; I'm not in front of it now) setting is actually the *path* to your ISO images. - There's abutton that's so large, it's *REALLY* easy to overlook... and it just so happens to be the yes, I accept this layout for burning button without which nothing will happen. Once these two are overcome (or at least understood), it becomes a much more enjoyable program with which to play. -Ken On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Paul Lussier wrote: In a message dated: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:55:48 EDT Paul Lussier said: In a message dated: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:37:07 EDT Rich Payne said: FWIW, I've used xcdroast for several years now. The older version were Tk I think (?) but the newer ones are written in C/Gtk+. It's really just a front end to cdrecord, cdparanoi etcbut works quite well. I've used cdrecord successfully for both data and music cd-burning (fair use purposes only, personal backups, etc :) I also meant to say that I've never been successful getting xcdroast to work. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: 2.4.10 rocks :-)
On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Steven W. Orr wrote: For the last year my system with 256Meg and 256 swap was barely adequate. Now I'm not even touching swap at all. Tres' cool. I do recall that they found that they were flushing aged pages *W-A-Y* too fast to disk; I guess that they've fixed that now, huh? Rats -- and I just got 2.4.9 going... -Ken -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: I'm Wireless!
I had a fairly similar experience with the Linksys and SMC cards (which apparently both use the same chipset). See http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/ for their drivers, and then follow Thomas' directions, below. -Ken On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Thomas M. Albright wrote: OK, I got the wireless card working in Linux. Here's how. First I had to go to the ORiNOCO Web Site: http://www.orinocowireless.com and get the latest drivers. Next I went to http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net and got the latest PCMCIA package. When I unpacked that it created the directory pcmcia-cs-3.1.29 I copied the ORiNOCO drivers package (WLLI610.TGZ) there and unpacked that. Then I ran three commands: make config ../Build - Came with WLLI610.TGZ ../Install - Came with WLLI610.TGZ Once that was done, I removed /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts (Actually, I just renamed it...) and edited /etc/pcmcia/config.opts by inserting # Options for the ORiNOCO driver module wavelan2_cs opts network_name=[yeah, right] Then I just restarted pcmcia (/etc/init.d/pcmcia restart) and I'm golden :) -- Thomas M. Albright Albright Enterprises - The Small Business Solution http://www.albrightent.com/ ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: This is funny
On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Thomas M. Albright wrote: I finally got around to reading the sunday comics today, and when I saw Foxtrot I knew I had to spread the word. http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/viewft.cfm?uc_fn=1uc_full_date=20010923uc_daction=Xuc_comic=ft That's the problem with Amend: he's always doing his code in Pascal... (Sad, but true ;-) -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Dual Boot Help.
So, any suggestions to get dual boot working? I've read a bunch of howto's. The best, and most common, answer seems to be to use Window's dual boot capabilities. I actually ran a command dd if=/dev/hda2 of=bootsect.inx bs=512 count=1 to start bringing required boot files over but I couldn't write to the diskette drive (different problem, which I don't understand. I'll fix it later.). Could someone push me in the right direction? Also, keep in mind my C: drive is NTFS. Many documents indicate problems in that environment. I know I can't write to it, and I don't care. If I have to I'll use Partition Magic to change to FAT32, however that choice makes me very nervous. You're on the right track. You need to get your Linux MBR onto a floppy (you do *not* want to try mounting an NTFS partition for writing), then copy it onto your C: drive. Then edit your c:\boot.ini to have this line: c:\linux-mbr.img=Linux (where linux-mbr.img is your MBR). Note that the file is read-only, system (IIRC), and you'll need to nix that, first: attrib -r -s boot.ini Once you've added the above line, there'll be a Linux option on your boot menu. Not that hard, all things considered. -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Home again, and a glimpse of the future
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Derek Martin wrote: According to reports, there were typically 4 men involved in each plane hijacking. These men were armed with knives with smaller than 4 blades. With roughly 100 or more other people on board each of these planes, I'm almost embarrased for our country that these people were successful in taking control of the plane. Almost, but I'm fairly certain that if I were there, I would have sat in my seat, much like all the rest of the passengers. I have to come to their defense, here. The vast majority of them probably thought that it would end the way most hijackings would: the plane, on a tarmac, ridiculous demands, and finally being stormed, with relatively little loss of life. The one plane that did seem to know its fate in advance crashed in a field -- probably a crash induced by one of the hijackers when he realized that they were being overpowered (a guess, but, I believe, a valid one, at least based on reports I've read). I think it *very* unfair to criticize them without having more data upon which to base such criticism. Sorry if I'm coming down a little strong, here, but these people are dead, and can't really hold their own in an argument. $.02. -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Home again, and a glimpse of the future
If you find yourself on a plane being hijacked, is it better to assume that you will land safely and be rescued by law enforcement, or that your attackers will kill you and everyone else on the plane if you don't stop them? Given past data, yes, it would have been better to assume. Considering that the VAST majority of previous hijackings ended on the tarmac, almost never with all on-board dying, it was a rational decision to make. Now that more data has been added, people will bear this in mind come the next hijacking. If you go back and look at previous hijackings, however, almost all of them had the majority of passengers get off with their lives, and almost never any deaths on the ground (not counting shock troops). Until last Tuesday, I would have considered it the height of folly to upset people who in all likelyhood were out of their minds, but not enough so that they wanted to die instead of get (say) their brethren released from prison, which was a fairly common hijacking demand. The recent events raise the bar, I readily and willingly grant. However, given past history, I *absolutely* back the decision of those who thought that being quiet was the correct policy. Things have now changed. Yes. That does not make their decision, based on available data, a poorly thought-out decision. The wrong one? Alas, yes. But not for lack of thinking, or courage. To die needlessly (since I'm sure *none* of them actually thought they'd be crashing into the WTC, and probably never even realized it) is just dumb. Had they realized that for every single one of their lives, ~30 others would, or even *might*, die, I'm sure that the result would have been resoundingly different. I, at least, have that much faith in the people of our country. -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Nimda worm/virus attacks Microsoft systems (was: What happened?)
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Jerry Feldman wrote: We should not gloat over Microsoft's security lapses. While there are many many security holes in Windows and related products, the sheer number of installed product makes them by far a prime target. As the Linux (and BSD) market shares grow, we will become targets, and many of our security weaknesses will be exposed. We (our colective OS) have a much more stable system, but must not become too complacent. I *absolutely* agree, but we also have one other secret weapon: diversity. If you can safely assume that (say) 85% of the people are running a given version of a mail client with a given scripting-language backend, that makes your work *much* easier. While I have no doubt that the Linux community will find itself increasingly the victim of virus and/or worm attacks, I think it is unlikely we will ever reach the proportions of the almost entirely homogonized MS community. -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Darn login problems (again).
After upgrading my system to RH 7.1.93 (Roswell), for misc. reasons, I needed to u/g my kernel for other reasons. Now, again, I'm unable to log in in multi-user mode. Nothing seems to crop up in /var/log/messages, and I don't (seem to) get any console error messages when I try... it just fails, and then repaints the screen. The version I'm using is 2.4.9, up from 2.4.6-3.1. Anyone got any ideas as to why a kernel rev would make that go all FUBAR? Thanks, -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Volume (the saga) and logical network interfaces.
Well, the good news is that my sound now works. It's amazing what a full install of RH 7.1 does -- always assuming, of course, that one is required because your (now former) root drive has just decided that SCSI IDs are a myth. So, on to my current question-du-jour: I've got a server with a physical interface (eth0 - 10.20.1.31/16), and a logical interface (eth0:1 - 10.20.1.38/16). All works fine... as long as my logical stays up. However, from time to time, for no apparent reason, my logical just goes away. So far, I haven't seen anything in /var/log/messages that would explain it, and everything going over eth0 is just fine. Anyone else experience anything like this? Oh: it's a RH 7.1 pretty-darn-stock system. Thanks, -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Printing [Was Re: several messages]
On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote: As Jerry Pournelle once said: You can never have enough documentation. Indeed. Look on the CD/disks included with the modem. They prolly have electronic documentation on their somewhere. While I rarely agree with JP, this is one case where I will. One thing that I used to love were the manuals that came with your printer: every escape sequence, every attribute, every everything. Nowadays? Nope. Here's how to put the CD-ROM in your drive, and load up your 37 TB driver. Dammit: I want (for example) the escape sequence to enable duplex printing on my HP 970CSE. I've e-mailed HP, I've spoken with techs, I've begged and pleaded, I've offered to pay honest-to-God MONEY. No dice. *Somewhere* this manual must exist... but I'll be durned if I can find out where. It's really quite annoying. [While I have found docs off their site that describe both PS and PCL duplex-enabling commands for various printers, the PCL one sadly does not work on my 970. I actually took a dump of Windows printing a two-line ASCII E-mail, in duplex mode, and it was something like 40 KILOBYTES of initialization strings and the like; clearly, Windows drivers have progressed to a point far beyond the days when I had to send any and all commands to my good ol' Star Gemini 10X 9-pin dot matrix.] ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
State of NH and Linux...
Have some friends visiting this weekend, and so I figured I'd hit Google for suggestions of what to do with them. Eventually wound up at www.visitnh.gov, which is really quite informative. Naturally, though, I tried to play with the URL to get it to show me more info instead of the ol' 25-things-at-a-time bit... and got a MySQL error. A quick peek at Netcraft shows that, yes, they're running Linux on what is apparently a Cobalt box. (Apache/1.3.3 Cobalt (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/3.0.15 on Linux.) If it's good enough for the public to see, why not be good enough to run internally? grin -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: ZD on Linux
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Karl Hergenrother wrote: This is interesting reading on a subject which is a common thread on this list. Be sure to read some of the TalkBack messages included at the bottom of the reference. I don't expect many to agree with the conclusions, but I think that there are many valid points. http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?/adeskb/adt0614/2774791:10151455 Here is the (lengthy) response I sent to my father when he pointed out the article: Well, there're several different perspectives, here. First and foremost, while the Linux crew certainly would like to see Linux on the desktop, it is *not* currently the primary force behind the Linux movement -- not even terribly close. Server, server, server. Linux will only get to the desktop when a) it's fairly easy to install (it's almost there), and b) there are enough applications for end-users (including games!) that they're willing to consider it as a viable alternative. This, too, is happening, to varying extents. There's one interesting point, however: Microsoft may actually be slitting their own throat. Specifically, for Joe Average Home Computer User, they pay almost nothing for software: the OS itself is hidden in the cost of the computer system, and Microsoft Office, which they naturally have, is almost definitely pirated. However, starting in the *very* near future (within a year or so) MS is going to start charging people on a subscription basis, with myriad safeguards to customize (read: prevent pirating) each copy of software for the system it's installed on. What will happen? If folks want to continue to use MS, they'll have to start paying money to do so -- real, honest-to-goodness money. If/when this comes to pass, unless MS really stubs their toes on the copy protection front, I could definitely see folks becoming more tempted by the free software alternatives. Is any of this going to make any difference whatsoever in gross desktop-based OS/application sales for the next two years? I don't think so. Is it possible that the latest manifestation of MS's greed, the subscription-based paradigm, will start to turn off people even more than they already are, to the point where they'll potentially pursue other alternatives? I believe so. Linux is here to stay -- it's both nebuluous and pervasive, simultaneously, and is always standing on the sidelines, waiting for an opportunity. The opportunity really won't come unless MS screws up... but I think they may be walking down that road right now. Just for kicks, though, here're what I consider to be reasonable answers to his theses: 1) Linux is too complex. This is like saying a car is too complex to drive, just because I have no idea how fuel injection works. It's the interface that matters, and several different options are up and coming. (Check out www.kde.org or www.gnome.org for more info...) 2) Client-side Java. Ummm... maybe he hasn't noticed, but a) Java really is pretty darn close to write once, run anywhere, but, b) frankly, I don't think it matters. Sun's screwed up Java's chances of becoming a major factor, and now it's just a nifty way to do some web-based programming. 3) Microsoft is on defensive. True, but I don't see how this is a strike against Linux; maybe I'm missing something. 4) Linux as threat to UNIX flavors. Ibid. 5) Balkanization: wrong. People have been saying this for over five years; if balkanization were going to occur, it *would* have. 6) OS is small component of TCO on a server. Okay, so... what point does this make again? Apple claimed a lower TCO over Windows -- on the desktop, not the server. (Actually, in the timeframe he's talking about, *nobody* would have used *either* Apple or Windows on a server.) Furthermore, it's clear he's never had to do remote administration of a server: Linux, and Unix in general, is a *DREAM* to troubleshoot remotely, whereas Windows has the whole GUI garbage, which almost requires on-site staff to attend to issues. 7) Big hardware may co-opt Linux. Huh? IBM, Sun, HP, Intel, etc., all have massive support for Linux -- IBM for their *entire* product line, from a freakin' wrist watch, all the way up to their top-of-the-line S/390 mainframes. None of them have in any way co-opted Linux. This one's just silly. 8) Don't let [Linux] define you, [or] your IS shop. Why not? What's inherently worse about it than Windows -- at least, from a server perspective? It supports open standards (something MS doesn't), it costs *DRAMATICALLY* less as an enterprise server (~$10K for a fully-configured Windows 2000 server with e-mail back-end, SQL database, file/printer sharing etc., vs. FREE for a functionally equivilent Linux box). Once again, I completely fail to see what point he's making. 9) Linux will be a common operating system in [embedded appliances]. This is a gimme: you can change the source, and you don't pay royalties. For embedded applications, frankly, you'd be stupid to go
Re: self extracting archives
A few days ago there were a bunch of Web pages about Stallman's rebuttal to Craig Mundie. One of them I saw mentioned that the questions MS was distributing to the crowd were available as a self extracting archive ( a .exe file). RMS said that gunzip knew how to extract these. Does anyone know how to get the content out of a self extracting Windows archive ? I can't figure it out. unzip filename.exe Works like a champ. gzip doesn't know diddly about the PC-based zip, as gzip only does compression, but no archiving, whereas the PC's zip (which is really just an upgrade by Phil Katz (Mr. PKWare) of the old ARC standard) knows all about both compression and archiving. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Multiple webservers under NAT
Hi, Larry (thanks for the job tip!). Bad news: no. What you can do is try to cheat, and use the VirtualHost function of Apache (discussed on this same bat channel just yesterday) to allow different hostnames to resolve to different URLs. Aside from that, there's no way to have multiple hosts respond (properly, at any rate) to the same query to the same port on the same IP address. [As always, I'm willing to be proven wrong...] -Ken P.S. Here's the snippet from my httpd.conf file: VirtualHost 64.31.85.206 ServerName brenga.com DocumentRoot /mnt/hdb2/biggest/brenga ErrorLog logs/brenga-error.log /VirtualHost VirtualHost 64.31.85.206 ServerName bslezak.flyingtoasters.net DocumentRoot /mnt/hdb2/biggest/moo ErrorLog logs/bslezak.log /VirtualHost As you can see, the hostnames are different, but the IP addresses are the same. Note that only the primary machine will be responding to HTTP requests, though; the other machine's info could be queried via NFS shares or somesuch... On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Larry Cook wrote: In going through the GNHLUG archives, I came across this query from a year ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/gnhlug@zk3.dec.com/msg03715.html I have a friend who just got into a similiar situation. Does anyone have other suggestions in addition to the two responses already posted? Brian, if you are still on this list, what did you end up doing? Did you ever come up with any other solutions? Thanks, Larry ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Keyboard repeat rate driving me insane in X.
I recently upgraded my 6.2 box to X 4.x. And now my keyboard repeat rate is s-l-o-w. I don't *think* it's 'cause of anything I did in the BIOS, as they're all set to the absolute fastest values the BIOS has (which are none too fast, alas). Any idea where I should change this? Is it a function of X, itself, or is it a Linux tweak? Thanks... -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: www redirection
You can't just re-direct a hostname to a full-blown URL. What you can do is find someone who offers DNS services (and has a web server) to do it for you. What happens behind the scenes is that a request comes in to the web server at www.bgibson.com, and the web server looks at it, and says, I know what to do with this -- I'll point it to www.mydomain.com/bgibson.htm So -- if you (or someone who's willing to do it for you) is hosting www.bgibson.com, they could tweak things around, but otherwise probably no. [Note -- if you're willing to cope with the fact that my machine is occasionally down so I can yell at various hardware, I'll gladly set this up for you...] -Ken P.S. As opposed to the other two people who've responded while I'm writing this, I'm assuming that you aren't actually hosting it on your own box, 'cause otherwise I don't see why you'd be using a remote service to serve the pages. On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Brice Gibson wrote: Does anyone know how to get a web address such as www.bgibson.com to point to www.mydomain.com/bgibson.htm ? thank you in advance. Brice Gibson IS Director Foto Fantasy Inc. 8 Commercial Street Hudson, NH 03051 800.933.2682 x 121 603.324.3240 x 121 www.fantasyent.com www.stickerstation.com www.efotobooths.com ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
IMAP, IMAP, IMAP (Cyrus)
Okay, I'm stuck on something really dumb. I've got Cyrus' IMAP working just fine, *but* when I try to create an IMAP folder (via Netscape or Outlook Express), I'm told permission denied. I've read the (very, very short) imapd.conf manpage about a zillion times, and don't see anything that appears to be pertinent. I just can't believe that Cyrus doesn't support IMAP folders, though. So either: 1) I'm dumb, or 2) the documentation could be a bit clearer. Any hints/suggestions? Oh: this is the 1.6.x version of Cyrus' IMAPd daemon. Thanks... -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Oops,I guess Sendmail wasn't secure after all... (fwd)
Why would anyone dare to offer to talk about alternative software in person, when mere mention of it on the list causes irrational and hostile outbursts from proponents of the status quo? Listen -- maybe you haven't been paying attention, but exactly what you're purporting to argue *for* is actually what you're arguing *against*. Few (any?) of the arguments re: Sendmail were actually pro Sendmail; rather, they were against the my MTA is cooler than your MTA atmosphere that some were condoning. If you haven't noticed this, perhaps it's time you stopped trolling, and started adding some signal to the signal:noise ratio. Based on posts by the various zealots on this list, I prefer to remian in the periphery, where I can only have epithets hurled at me, rather than beer mugs. Ah -- never hurts to throw in a few personal insults... Last I heard, Linux was an OS kernel, which would support a broad variety of CPUs, C libraries, and god forbid, user applications like email and DNS servers. Yet some people stubbornly assert that the only god-sanctioned applications are sendmail, BIND, wu-ftp, inetd, etc. No: again, you are *totally* missing the point. They are defending their right to choose MTA *WITHOUT* getting abuse (Oops,I guess Sendmail wasn't secure after all... -- tell me that this isn't a comment meant to induce argument, instead of rational discussion. Go ahead.) My suspicion is that most of the loud mouths are middle-aged sysadmins, who have a substantial investment in sendmail, etc, after having spent years mastering the nuances of configuring the software, and are too scared of the notion that their labors may be obsoleted by new software to post objective remarks. I'm guessing that you're a young sysadmin with almost no real-world experience in larger companies, and actually getting things *done*, when it's much more fun to argue pointlessly. One BBS I hang out on has a forum called Tiresome Debate: it's the place where things like MTA wars go to die, since some folks refuse to even concede that there might *be* a common ground, and the allowance to have differing opinions. In my mind the Linux movement is about migrating towards the Next Better Thing that is open source. Linux is the next best *nix kernel. As far as the next best software for particular services, I certainly hope that is open for honest debate. I have my opinions and am happy to discuss them with any interested persons. I just hope that such a meeting would be without the fascists that try to illegitemize my opinions and objective observations. It's obvious you have opinions. If you care to share *CONSTRUCTIVE* opinions, then please -- let's go! Maybe (as *SO* many people have previously hinted) you could even give a demonstration of the software you hold so near and dear. If it really is so good, dagnabbit, SHOW US. I guess the bottom line here is, Show me the money. Put up or shut up. Sniping is all well and good... elsewhere. If you really wish to be a proponent of SOFTWARE PACKAGE, then *be* a proponent -- someone who is willing to discuss, and, preferably, exhibit, the things they like about their chosen package. You'll note, however, that, akin to negative campaigning, being a proponent of a given package doesn't mean dissing other packages out-of-hand. If you wanna have a flame war, at least allow yourself the dignity of researching your statments first. Like when was the most recent root-granting bug in sendmail or qmail. NOBODY on here (except you and Kurth, perhaps) want a flame war. NOBODY has trolled here except you two. Flame wars bring signal:noise close to 0, and certainly don't accomplish anything except getting good folks like Paul to leave the list. If that's your intention, if all you care about is your own opinion, and to hell with everyone else, please use the unsubscribe feature, and save everyone a lot of grief. If you wish to have a rational, constructive discussion (and/or LUG meeting) about your software, then, please, do so. But leave the trolling, insults, and line noise out of it. -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Linux at Wal-Mart
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Bill Sconce wrote: Instead of sneering at developments such as Linux being sold at Wal-Mart (*3), perhaps we should be looking for potential advantage. We might, for instance, ask Wal-Mart to display a GNHLUG poster near the Linux shelf. Or we might provide a leaflet to be given to each purchaser, or prospective purchaser. Let newbies know about the community. Offer to help newbies get started with Linux. Help them avoid disasters! Increase retailers' sales of Linux. (Sure. Why not.) Grow the membership of GNHLUG. IMHO, this is a fantastic idea. Would some official delegate like to approach Wal-Mart? I'd certainly be willing to, if nobody else pipes up. Mayhap we could hit Comp-USA while we're at it... -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Linux over OpenBSD
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Tony Lambiris wrote: Id rather not start a thread about this. In short, Darren's license conflicted with OpenBSD's license, so they took it out of the core OS. IMHO, Darren's being a schnook. Yes, you write the software, you get to define the license. BUT, he went and let them use his software for ages with the license in its original form, and only after it had been widely disseminated decided to clarify his licensing structure. The more Theo steps on him, the happier I'll be. Furthermore, this isn't something we Linux folk are immune to; people have changed their licenses before, though usually not in as ugly a fashion. $.02... -Ken - Original Message - From: Kenneth E. Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: Linux over OpenBSD In case there is anyone that hasn't already heard, OpenBSD does not have a firewall for the moment. IPFilter has been removed from the CVS tree because of the change in licensing. Theo, was, as he always is, diplomatic and subtle in his comments ;-) http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sbin/ipf/Attic/ipf.c C-Ya, Kenny -- --- Kenneth E. Lussier Geek by nature, Linux by choice PGP KeyID 0xD71DF198 Public key available @ http://pgp.mit.edu ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Speaking of sendmail...
I just switched over to my new DSL account (thank you, MV Communications!), and now my incoming e-mail doesn't work. I switched my DNS, and modified all my /var/named/* stuff to look right -- my mx records, etc., but now I'm told: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: relaying denied [EMAIL PROTECTED]: user unknown [Not a cut-n-paste, as, for unrelated reasons, my X is down.] Anyway, what's up with this? I'm *not* relaying -- it goes straight to my one-and-only host on the Internet, flyingtoasters.net. And I'd *best* not be unknown -- I'm in the /etc/passwd file, at any rate. Something go foobar? I'm not even sure where to start looking... Thanks, -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Linus on NHPR
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Karl J. Runge wrote: Programmers giveth, and the DMCA taketh away. It's illegal. DeCSS was designed for completely legal compatibility reasons, but it was outlawed because it threatened the license revenue of the MPAA. Does a similar problem exist with the mp3 players and encoders (e.g. mpg123 and bladeenc, respectively)? I don't *believe* so (anyone better-informed, feel free to correct me). I seem to recall that the patent-holders for MP3 only ask royalties on commercially-produced MP3 players, but they *do* get (IIRC) about US$5.00/ea. commercial player (eg. your Rio 500). -Ken ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Temperature sensor?
On Tue, 1 May 2001, Karl J. Runge wrote: Hey, all -- I'm trying to find a way to figure out what the temperature in my data center is. Preferably, I'd like a device that could be queried via TCP, though serial would be acceptable. Any suggestions? [...] I always wanted to get one of these: http://www.spiderplant.com/hlt/ but never got around to it. It comes with software and drivers for Unix. Just a quick update: it works like a champ. The docs are a little slim, but if you look at the script file that accompanies the executables, all becomes clear fairly quickly. I munged some stuff from Camel, and came up with the below as a quick-n-dir-T(tm) (and ugly) way to query via TCP: (If you're lazy, you can just telnet to port 1234...) Client: #!/usr/bin/perl use IO::Socket::INET; $socket = IO::Socket::INET-new(PeerAddr = temphost, #hostname address of server PeerPort = 1234, Proto= tcp, Type = SOCK_STREAM) or die Coudln't connect to host or port: $!\n; $temp = $socket; chomp $temp; print The temperature is $temp F.\n; close ($socket); Server: #!/usr/bin/perl use IO::Socket::INET; $socket = IO::Socket::INET-new(PeerAddr = polaris, PeerPort = 1234, Proto= tcp, Type = SOCK_STREAM) or die Coudln't connect to host or port: $!\n; $temp = $socket; chomp $temp; print The temperature is $temp F.\n; close ($socket); ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Netscape Question.
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Mark Komarinski wrote: I've seen this if you're using IMAP. Back up and blow away the ns_imap directory. If you're using POP, there may be some index file for the mail boxes that is corrupted. Or one other thing: it could be a r-e-a-l-l-y big e-mail. You might telnet in to your mail server (assuming it's POP), and do thusly: telnet pop 110 your pop server's name, and 110 is the POP port Trying 216.55.177.39... Connected to srv39.server4me.com (216.55.177.39). Escape character is '^]'. +OK [EMAIL PROTECTED] user yourusernamehere --- if you're on Windows, you won't see... +OK pass yourpasswordhere --- your keystrokes echo. +OK list +OK 1 1227 2 3321 3 2686 4 1690 5 2012 6 1227 This is how POP works; you can even view the e-mails with the retr command (eg. retr 1). The values on the right are the sizes of each e-mail. -Ken -Mark Wayne wrote: Hi, I'm having a problem with Netscape,s messenger. After selecting the icon to get my mail, the dialog window appears and start to pull my mail down., but it only get one message and then hangs. In desparation I deleted everything that was in directory .netscape . Then I sign on again to let netscape recreate the netscape tree. I'm still havingthe same problem. Can anyone help here. Thanks. Wayne ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** -- Mark Komarinski - Senior Systems Engineer - VA Linux Systems (cell) 978-697-2228 (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have one day pleasant - Babelfish ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Copy protection (was Enterprise Linux White paper)
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote: Seriously - this is why all these various copy-protection schemes fail - at some point, an unencrypted stream is required to display / play the data. Once it's unencrypted, someone can snarf it. End of story (and digression). So I used to think. *sigh* Check out this wonderful little tidbit over at Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/06/0027257mode=thread (I already flamed the company in question, and, while it no doubt made me feel better, probably didn't accomplish a whole hell of a lot.) ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
