Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 6/4/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... 150 MHz Pentium ... 40MB RAM ... Some of my son's friends
have decided to learn Java this summer ...
Be warned that Java may be unbearably slow on that system. (Given
that it's irritatingly slow on
On 6/5/06, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Be warned that Java may be unbearably slow on that system. (Given
that it's irritatingly slow on much newer systems.)
By what measurement do you determine that Java is slow ...
My measurement is qualitative, not quantitative. Everything
Oh... and as a side note... I'm encouraged that there are four or five
14-year olds who want to learn more about Linux and Java, so I'd like to try
to support them as much as possible... I've actually got a second old
laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro, Pentium MMX processor, 80 MB RAM with 1.34
Thanks for the feedback I'm assuming that it won't boot off the CD,
since I remember the complicated way I had to get Windows on it way back
when I actively used this machine. But, I'll try the kit I just built and
let you know. Also, I appreciate the pointer to the distributions that
On Monday 05 June 2006 08:35 am, Paul Lussier wrote:
By what measurement do you determine that Java is slow, and compared
to what? Is it slower for developement, or just running it? Is it
slow compared to C, or Lisp, or Visual Basic? Are you doing systems
programming with it or distributed
On 6/4/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got an old Gateway Solo 2100 laptop with 150 MHz
Pentium processor, 40MB RAM and 1.34 GB hard vdrive. It's been sitting in the corner
collecting dust, and still contains Windows-98. Some of my son's friends have decided to
learn Java
The next meeting of the Monadnock Linux User Group (MonadLUG) will be this
Thursday, June 8th, 7:00pm, at the SAU 1 Superintendent's Office behind
South Meadow School in Peterborough.
For directions and other information, visit
http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/MonadLUG
AGENDA
Context is unnecessary if, for example, Java is unbearably slow
compared to nearly everything. The only things I've seen that are
slower than (aggregate of all Java apps I've seen and used) are e.g.
field simulators or modal analysis simulation tools... and since
they're doing a lot of hardcore
A lot of the claims to the effect of Java is much faster nowadays
are based on the fact that typical Java implementations nowadays
include much better JIT (Just In Time) compilers. Translating an
application's interpreted Java bytecode into native machine code can
yield some very large
On 6/5/06, Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is also very possible that JVM's that run on Windows are more
efficient than those that you typically see under Linux ...
My personal experience is that the Sun Java VM is just as slow under
Windows as it is under Linux, so I don't think
Ben Scott wrote:
My measurement is qualitative, not quantitative. Everything that
uses Java that I've ever encountered on any machine takes a long time
to start and uses up gobs and gobs of memory, regardless of how
trivial the program. Interactive programs all have a somewhat
On 6/5/06, Richard Soule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got a 1.6GHz Pentium laptop with 2GB of ram and I'm able to run the
below in quite a usable manner:
Keep in mind the context of the original post was a 100 MHz laptop
with 40 MB of RAM. Your video subsystem prolly has more RAM then that
I'll be going to the FSP Pork Fest event in a couple weeks... driving
up from Manchester. Anyone else planning to be there?
Jared
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Me me me... and it's Porc Fest (as opposed to Ham Fest, aka Hosstraders)
as in Porcupine.
See you there!
Seth
On 6/5/06, Jared Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll be going to the FSP Pork Fest event in a couple weeks... driving
up from Manchester. Anyone else planning to be there?
Jared
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 6/5/06, Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is also very possible that JVM's that run on Windows are more
efficient than those that you typically see under Linux ...
My personal experience is that the Sun Java VM is just as slow under
Windows
Paul Lussier wrote:
We use the IBM JVm for our development of a distributed systems
application, and, while I'm not one of the developers, I've not heard
them complain about it being slow. Actually, the reason we use the
IBM JVM is specifically because it's faster than the Sun JVM.
This
Well.. to my surprise, I WAS able to boot from the CD. I started up the
Ubunu install, but it got caught up at:
ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP
If I did my googling right, that means it can't find a Root System
Description Pointer for the Advanced Configuration Power Interface...
which I'm
I notice that Radio Shack is now carrying stock for 'case modder' geeks.
Among the inventory I saw today (Westford MA Radio Shack) are some
things for liquid cooling. I saw a heat exchanger with a mounted fan,
bottles of some kind of liquid for the cooling system and heatsinks etc.
They also
On 6/5/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I started up the Ubunu install, but it got caught up at:
ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP
If I did my googling right, that means ...
Yah. In short, ACPI isn't there or is really broken. This is not unusual.
What is ACPI, you ask? It's a way
On 6/5/06, Andrew W. Gaunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is interesting to look at. reminds me of those things I wanted
for my car when I was a kid; chrome plated air cleaners etc.
Same target market.
-- Ben
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
John Abreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Last time I looked at IBM Jikes, which was a long time ago, it was
still based on Java 1.1.x. Is that still the case?
Not to my knowledge. apt-cache search on one of our test systems shows:
$ apt-cache search ibm
ibm-java2-jre - IBM Java2 1.4.2 SR4-1
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I found some reference to turning this off via a kernel parameter ...
Yes. I think the syntax is acpi=off.
We've got grub kernel params of 'noapic', is there also a noacpi?
A quick googling for noacpi yields 'pci=noacpi' references.
--
Seeya,
Paul
On 6/5/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/5/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started up the Ubunu install, but it got caught up at: ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP If I did my googling right, that means ...
Yah.In short, ACPI isn't there or is really broken.This is not unusual.My
Last place I worked we had some kernels that
(counterintuitively) needed to be booted with
both of these:
noacpi acpi=off
...and Didn't you mean noapic? was definitely
an FAQ.
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
I've run Debian recently on a 586/133 (AMD of some sort?) with 64 MB
of RAM, and it was fine once I trimmed out a little of the extra
crud... in particular switching to a low-demand X window manager
helped. I can't remember which I ended up using, unfortunately, but
it was based on googling for
Drew Van Zandt wrote:
I've run Debian recently on a 586/133 (AMD of some sort?) with 64 MB
of RAM, and it was fine once I trimmed out a little of the extra
crud... in particular switching to a low-demand X window manager
helped. I can't remember which I ended up using, unfortunately, but
it
CDrom boot works, excellent.
The Xubuntu CD is supposed to be better for old hardware than
Ubuntu, you could try that. DSL will download quicker, it's *small*
--
Bill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
On 6/5/06, John Abreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like Matchbox is the favorite embedded WM, according to google.
http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/
The screen shots seem to imply that it's designed for PDAs,
cellphones, and the like. Might not be the best choice for a regular
PC
Yes, Java's recent speed comes from (a) JIT compilation (b) real
static native compilation with optimization (e.g., JRocket) (c)
running on really hot hardware.
(And I do mean hot ... the 3.7GHz chips have more Watts per square
inch than a hot plate! There's a reason you won't see commercial
I'm getting further with the Ubuntu CD boot onto my
old Gateway 2000, but still not quite there... Quick status for those of
you who have provided feedback so far...
When the Ubuntu CD is booted up, there are five
choices: Start or install Ubuntu Start Ubuntu in safe
graphics mode Check CD
Try SLAX, it's another small one but really optimized for Pretty.
--DTVZ
___
gnhlug-discuss mailing list
gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 21:06 -0400, Tech Writer wrote:
At this point, I just hear a lot of disk spinning for MANY MANY
minutes... then the screen clears, and still more disk spinning... but
nothing appears to be happening... eventually, it all just stops.
I just installed Ubuntu (on a much
I'm beginning to see the same thing... For example, I looked at the Xubuntu
kit, and it requires 128MB for a Hard Drive install.
Peg
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on
I'm beginning to see the same thing... For example, I looked at the Xubuntu
kit, and it requires 128MB for a Hard Drive install.
Is that Xubuntu's RAM requirement or Drive requirement?
Yes, compare the minimums of each distro against what you've got, it's
easier than trying it.
--
Bill
RAM I've got 40MB, so I'm way below this requirement.
Ouch, I missed focusing on that number on your first message. That
tightens things significantly. That will be a problem for pretty much
any graphical desktop that isn't really lean.
DSL says 16MB 486 is ok. I don't know what else can work
35 matches
Mail list logo
