On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 08:44 +0100, Martin Keckeis wrote:
I think there may come many critics maybe, but why not move those things
also to github?
It's used by many people. it works, it's easy!
It is easily two steps back. Yay! (Tags are funny but don't help with
categorization of bugs on
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Martin Keckeis
martin.kecke...@gmail.comwrote:
2013/2/21 Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 19:13 +0100, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
I am specifically thinking of Bugzilla which is already used by many
open source projects. It
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Johannes Schlüter
johan...@schlueters.dewrote:
On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 08:44 +0100, Martin Keckeis wrote:
I think there may come many critics maybe, but why not move those things
also to github?
It's used by many people. it works, it's easy!
It is easily
2013/2/20 Derick Rethans der...@php.net:
Looks like it is time to forward this email from 2006 again:
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:57:32 +0200
From: Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion
hi,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eloy Bote Falcon eloyb...@gmail.com wrote:
Agree. There are only a few core devs working daily in the PHP
internals. I would say please give the Language (and devs) a rest
motion, because there are a lot of bugs and work to be done but I'm
afraid that is
-
From: Lars Strojny [mailto:l...@strojny.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:15 AM
To: Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
As a general reply: I'd like to disagree, and here is why. Yes, we
should not let
half baked
hi Zeev,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
What you're bringing up is not at all about adapting. Adapting is
something we do at the extensions, frameworks and tools levels. I'm happy
to say PHP's ecosystem here is very healthy, in my opinion.
Yes, most of
Zeev Suraski wrote:
There used to be a language that was the Queen of the Web. It was full of
clever syntax. It prided itself on having a variety of expressive ways of
doing the same thing. You're on the mailing list of the language that
dethroned it.
And the majority of END USERS are more
[mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:09 PM
To: Zeev Suraski
Cc: Lars Strojny; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
hi Zeev,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
What
Here is a counterpoint to that expressed by Lars. Many if not most
shared hosting providers don't offer PHP 5.4 yet. Ditto many
enterprises have yet to adopt it. The main reason? I think its that
old Backwards Compatibility issue that has been discussed heavily on
this DL.
When major
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
Once you're done thinking, decide for yourself. Does it make sense to be
discussing new language level features every other week? Or should we,
perhaps,
invest more in other fronts, which would be beneficial for a far
Zeev,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
Pierre,
People who think differently from you are not necessarily blind of
stubborn. I honestly think that those comments were completely out of
line in several different ways.
It is not my opinion but a simple fact.
Pierre Joye wrote:
Regarding 'voting with feet', it's an idiom, look it up.
I know, still do not think it fits as comment either here.
I read this as simply People are not leaving PHP in droves simply because it
does not have xxx - actually the opposite, but that growth in use is not into
Hello,
This might sound as a rant but I assure you it's not.
It's just how I see the things from my perspective and that of
my colleagues/employer.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
What you're bringing up is not at all about adapting. Adapting is
something
People who think differently from you are not necessarily blind of
stubborn. I honestly think that those comments were completely out of
line in several different ways.
It is not my opinion but a simple fact.
That comment would have been funny if it wasn't sad. I'll leave it at
that.
-Original Message-
From: Florin Razvan Patan [mailto:florinpa...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:15 PM
To: Zeev Suraski
Cc: Lars Strojny; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013
hi,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
That's not adaptation in my book. That's addition. It's not the technology
landscape that changed that now you need annotations; It's that some people
consider this feature cool and useful, and want to import it into
-Original Message-
From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:08 PM
To: Zeev Suraski
Cc: Florin Razvan Patan; Lars Strojny; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers
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List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
hi
On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
There used to be a language that was the Queen of the Web. It was full of
clever syntax. It prided itself on having a variety of expressive ways of
doing the same thing. You're on the mailing list of the language that
In the slice of the community where I spend most of my time,
medium-to-large companies using PHP with their own custom code on
hundreds to thousands or even 10's of thousands of servers, neither
annotations nor getter/setter are anywhere on their wishlist radar. What
they most desire is
Hello, didn't read the whole thread, just a few messages at the start. But
because I'm replying to the starting message, it's not relevant :)
In principle, as a user-land developer, I agree with the motion. It's too
much fancy new shiny stuff lately and no actual improvement on the old
stuff that
On 21 February 2013 16:30, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
In the slice of the community where I spend most of my time
No hard feelings, but it would be awesome if that part of the community
(the one that basically avoids social coding as far as I can see, not to be
taken as a sin,
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 16:54 +0100, Marco Pivetta wrote:
No hard feelings, but it would be awesome if that part of the community
(the one that basically avoids social coding as far as I can see, not to be
taken as a sin, but still meh) didn't just try to hold back PHP because
of business
On 21 February 2013 17:04, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de wrote:
The quoted business decision was We want something stable and fast, an
emphasis of fixing bugs over adding new ones. This sounds sane to me.
johannes
Doesn't exclude new features then: so what is this all about?
Personally I would love to see more RFCs focusing on performance and
less on syntax changes.
Some recent tests I performed indicate that JavaScript and Dart are
both significantly faster than PHP when working with just arrays and
numbers. If anyone is interested I can provide the test code for
Hello,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
In the slice of the community where I spend most of my time,
medium-to-large companies using PHP with their own custom code on
hundreds to thousands or even 10's of thousands of servers, neither
annotations nor
On 21.02.2013, at 20:08, Levi Morrison morrison.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally I would love to see more RFCs focusing on performance and
less on syntax changes.
Some recent tests I performed indicate that JavaScript and Dart are
both significantly faster than PHP when working with just
On 2013-02-21, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
Personally I would love to see more RFCs focusing on performance and
less on syntax changes. Of course, a syntax change RFC, and even the
initial (often shaky) implementation of a syntax-related change is much
much easier to whip up than
replying inline
I think it would be helpful to have something like a roadmap with various
features and changes both in regards to language and features as well
as performance.
We have discussed before and the problem is the nature of the project: it
is an open source project where the
Le 21/02/2013 18:56, Ferenc Kovacs a écrit :
it is, and it is a chicken and egg problem:
even though that the usual my C-fu is weak argument doesn't apply there,
we still lack contributors, and the archaic nature of the current codebase
doesn't really helps bringing in new people.
even if a
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Pascal Chevrel pascal.chev...@free.fr wrote:
I am specifically thinking of Bugzilla which is already used by many open
source projects. It has a lot more features than your current bug tracking
system, it scales for large projects and it has a few Mozilla
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 19:13 +0100, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
I am specifically thinking of Bugzilla which is already used by many
open source projects. It has a lot more features than your current
bug
tracking system, it scales for large projects and it has a few
Mozilla
employees working
Arvids Godjuks wrote:
In principle, as a user-land developer, I agree with the motion. It's too
much fancy new shiny stuff lately and no actual improvement on the old
stuff that really needs fixing or updating/rewriting (PDO anyone? Years
behind every db driver extension there is in PHP, and as
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 17:06 +0100, Marco Pivetta wrote:
On 21 February 2013 17:04, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de wrote:
The quoted business decision was We want something stable and fast, an
emphasis of fixing bugs over adding new ones. This sounds sane to me.
Doesn't exclude
On 02/21/2013 01:04 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 17:06 +0100, Marco Pivetta wrote:
On 21 February 2013 17:04, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de wrote:
The quoted business decision was We want something stable and fast, an
emphasis of fixing bugs over adding new
Hello List,
how about sort of Tick-Tock development model?
Tick = optimize/bugfix
Tock = shiny new features
e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock
cryptocompress
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Hi!
F.e., how long have we been battled for annotations? With all
respects, it is about being blind and stubborn to say that PHP should
not have annotations. But due to some I'm happy with what we have
It is about being blind and stubborn to hold opinion different than
yours. And *this* not
2013/2/21 Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 19:13 +0100, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
I am specifically thinking of Bugzilla which is already used by many
open source projects. It has a lot more features than your current
bug
tracking system, it scales for large
Looks like it is time to forward this email from 2006 again:
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:57:32 +0200
From: Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion
I'd like to raise a motion to 'Give the
I would also say it us time for us to get back in sync with the communities
needs. I am not talking about the last days RFCs but in general.
On Feb 20, 2013 7:19 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
Looks like it is time to forward this email from 2006 again:
-- Forwarded message
As a general reply: I’d like to disagree, and here is why. Yes, we should not
let half baked features in but we need to add more and more features, also
syntax wise. For three reasons:
- Parity/expectations/me too: so you can do that in PHP as well
- Expressiveness: allow better ways to
- 5.3: goto. A good thing we can do it. I'm not sure for what exactly but I
am sure there is somebody out there :)
An associate of mine used it in his HTTP message parser. He's sure
glad it's there :)
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Levi Morrison wrote:
- 5.3: goto. A good thing we can do it. I'm not sure for what exactly but I
am sure there is somebody out there :)
An associate of mine used it in his HTTP message parser. He's sure
glad it's there :)
Conversely, I have two HTTP message parsers that I maintain, and
Le 16/06/2011 08:10, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
Hi!
what I did every single time. Among all my bug reports I had one
answer from decoder-...@own-hero.net (thanks to him) who reduced
the test case for a memory leak (bug 54460). I'm not talking about
bugs in modules but bugs in *core* which can
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Pascal COURTOIS
pascal.court...@nouvo.com wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 08:10, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
Hi!
what I did every single time. Among all my bug reports I had one
answer from decoder-...@own-hero.net (thanks to him) who reduced
the test case for a memory leak
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 16:43, Paul Dragoonis dragoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Pascal COURTOIS
pascal.court...@nouvo.com wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 08:10, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
Hi!
what I did every single time. Among all my bug reports I had one
answer from
Le 29/06/2011 16:57, Hannes Magnusson a écrit :
We have the data now and work is now ongoing migrating the two now.
museum is also up, and snaps will probably be running before the weekend.
great, thanks :-)
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On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Pascal COURTOIS
pascal.court...@nouvo.com wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 08:10, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
Hi!
what I did every single time. Among all my bug reports I had one
answer from decoder-...@own-hero.net
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Pascal COURTOIS
pascal.court...@nouvo.com wrote:
bug 54460 has disapeared from bugs.php.net . Is due to the crash ?
Yes, the data was not available by the time we release PHP
5.4.0-alpha1. So we went with an alternative and temporary solution,
see
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Hannes Magnusson
hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote:
No.
Some people just wanted some bugsweb so an old database was restored
rather then waiting few hours for the actual data export.
The some people actually make it so that bugs.php.net was available
by the
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Pascal COURTOIS pascal.court...@nouvo.com
wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 04:36, dukeofgaming a écrit :
Hi,
I think that —in any context— the if it aint broke don't fix it is a
very
depressing attitude to have, and a very wrong one in any open source
community.
Hi!
what I did every single time. Among all my bug reports I had one answer
from decoder-...@own-hero.net (thanks to him) who reduced the test case
for a memory leak (bug 54460). I'm not talking about bugs in modules
but bugs in *core* which can be reproduced with few lines of *core* PHP.
Le 16/06/2011 08:01, dukeofgaming a écrit :
Sorry if the question is dumb, but, how many core developers does PHP have?,
how many in total (including non-core contributors)?.
That's not the point. Whatever the project is, every developer should fix
existing bugs before even thinking about
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:10:24 -0700, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
what I did every single time. Among all my bug reports I had one
answer
Stas, how I can i finally persuade you to quote the name of the people
you're replying to? :) I find it very hard to follow any discussion
you're
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Pascal COURTOIS
pascal.court...@nouvo.comwrote:
Le 16/06/2011 08:01, dukeofgaming a écrit :
Sorry if the question is dumb, but, how many core developers does PHP
have?,
how many in total (including non-core contributors)?.
That's not the point. Whatever
Le 16/06/2011 08:10, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
Hi!
what I did every single time. Among all my bug reports I had one
answer from decoder-...@own-hero.net (thanks to him) who reduced
the test case for a memory leak (bug 54460). I'm not talking about
bugs in modules but bugs in *core* which can
Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
What I need is a very stable language on which I can rely and I'm
very sad to to say PHP is getting worse and worse on that point of
view versions after versions.
I can not contradict your experience, it is what it is, but my
experience for years working with PHP
Le 16/06/2011 08:52, Lester Caine a écrit :
Pascal I am sure that many people here would be more than happy to
hear about particular problems you are hitting.
Ok, then why when I signal a bug noone cares ?
Like Stas I have
never had problems with the stability of PHP5 in 10 years of
Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
Like Stas I have
never had problems with the stability of PHP5 in 10 years of running
it.
PHP5 did not exist 10 years ago ;-)
OK coming on 8 years ... seems longer :)
I looked at PHP4, but PHP5 was at release candidate stage so I decided that I'd
skip straight to
On Jun 15, 2011, at 11:34 PM, dukeofgaming wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Pascal COURTOIS
pascal.court...@nouvo.comwrote:
Le 16/06/2011 08:01, dukeofgaming a écrit :
Sorry if the question is dumb, but, how many core developers does PHP
have?,
how many in total (including
Le 16/06/2011 09:19, Lester Caine a écrit :
when you have a bug in PHP it should not ever ever crash PHP and
unfortunately I encountered that case dozens of times.
At least on Linux is just recovers and carries on
If PHP crashes, yes, it recovers but it's VERY resource and time
On 6/15/11 11:38 PM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
In bug 614904 I submitted a TWO lines program which crashed PHP on
a absolutely standard i386 debian install. I got no answer.
Of course the bug disapeared in following versions of PHP but what is fixed ?
Not as far as I know.
614904 doesn't look
Le 16/06/2011 09:29, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
On 6/15/11 11:38 PM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
In bug 614904 I submitted a TWO lines program which crashed PHP on
a absolutely standard i386 debian install. I got no answer.
Of course the bug disapeared in following versions of PHP but what is fixed
On 6/15/11 11:38 PM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
as I said earlier, test case was reduced to:
The leaks you'll be seeing in this code is probably caused by the fact
that main function (i.e. global context) is not destroyed when exit() is
called, since . It can be argued as a bug, but very
Le 16/06/2011 09:56, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
On 6/15/11 11:38 PM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
as I said earlier, test case was reduced to:
The leaks you'll be seeing in this code is probably caused by the
fact that main function (i.e. global context) is not destroyed when
exit() is called, since
Hi!
On 6/16/11 1:05 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
If you call minuscule a leak that requires more than 128Mb as it
normally requires about 4Mb, then it's minuscule but whatever you name
it it just does not run.
Sorry, if your example generates memory footprint of 128Mb, something is
Le 16/06/2011 10:12, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
Hi!
On 6/16/11 1:05 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
If you call minuscule a leak that requires more than 128Mb as it
normally requires about 4Mb, then it's minuscule but whatever you
name it it just does not run.
Sorry, if your example generates
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Andi Gutmans a...@zend.com wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:33 AM
To: Andi Gutmans
Cc: Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 08:12 +0200, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 08:01, dukeofgaming a écrit :
Sorry if the question is dumb, but, how many core developers does PHP have?,
how many in total (including non-core contributors)?.
That's not the point. Whatever the project is, every
Le 16/06/2011 11:36, Johannes Schlüter a écrit :
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 08:12 +0200, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 08:01, dukeofgaming a écrit :
Sorry if the question is dumb, but, how many core developers does PHP have?,
how many in total (including non-core contributors)?.
That's
2011/6/16 Pascal COURTOIS pascal.court...@nouvo.com:
I know. I also have a GPL project. Nonetheless some societies use it,
and some people rely on it to get paid. I have absolutely no legal contract
with anyone but I have a moral contract and when I'm signaled a bug, it is
mostly
fixed
Le 16/06/2011 12:12, Pierre Joye a écrit :
It is not what Johannes said and we do fix bugs every single day. What
Johannes said is that we can't force a volunteer to do something
specific instead of what he wants to do.
It is also totally off topic btw.
It is really on topic since
On 06/16/2011 11:03 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
If you followed the thread you have seen the reduced test case is
VERY short and the ONLY constructions involved are user functions and
exceptions. FULL STOP. Not even a single addition nor a loop nor nothing.
I can't imagine nobody uses user
Le 16/06/2011 12:31, Rasmus a écrit :
On 06/16/2011 11:03 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
If you followed the thread you have seen the reduced test case is
VERY short and the ONLY constructions involved are user functions and
exceptions. FULL STOP. Not even a single addition nor a loop nor
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:26 +0200, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 12:12, Pierre Joye a écrit :
It is not what Johannes said and we do fix bugs every single day. What
Johannes said is that we can't force a volunteer to do something
specific instead of what he wants to do.
It is
On 06/16/2011 11:40 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 12:31, Rasmus a écrit :
On 06/16/2011 11:03 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
If you followed the thread you have seen the reduced test case is
VERY short and the ONLY constructions involved are user functions and
exceptions. FULL STOP.
On 06/16/2011 12:42 PM, Rasmus wrote:
On 06/16/2011 11:40 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 12:31, Rasmus a écrit :
On 06/16/2011 11:03 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
If you followed the thread you have seen the reduced test case is
VERY short and the ONLY constructions involved are user
Le 16/06/2011 13:42, Rasmus a écrit :
On 06/16/2011 11:40 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
Le 16/06/2011 12:31, Rasmus a écrit :
On 06/16/2011 11:03 AM, Pascal COURTOIS wrote:
If you followed the thread you have seen the reduced test case is
VERY short and the ONLY constructions involved are user
-Original Message-
From: Pascal COURTOIS [mailto:pascal.court...@nouvo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:28 AM
To: Lester Caine
Cc: PHP internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
Le 16/06/2011 09:19, Lester Caine a écrit :
when you have a bug in PHP
Hi!
I'm not saying there aren't any. There are known leaks in compile_file()
when you throw an exception like that, so if you call a huge amount of
these within a single request, you are going to have problems. But that
You actually can't call huge amount of these in one request, as this
Le 16/06/2011 18:11, Andi Gutmans a écrit :
I have some news for you. Ruby has crashes, Python has crashes,
Probably. any references about that ?
even Java has security issues and crashes (check out the Java bug database.
It's bigger than ours).
IMHO java is a big s**t but that's
On 06/16/2011 05:32 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
I'm not saying there aren't any. There are known leaks in compile_file()
when you throw an exception like that, so if you call a huge amount of
these within a single request, you are going to have problems. But that
You actually can't call
Hi!
Stas, on a different note, weren't we going to roll a 5.4 alpha?
I was going to write about it soon, but since you asked: I was waiting
for RFC/voting discussion and vote in hope that we could get it all
ready before the alpha, but it looks like it is taking longer than
expected. So I
+1, for Thursday :-)
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主题: [PHP-DEV] Re: 5.4 alpha, was: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest
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Hi!
Stas, on a different note, weren't we going
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Andi Gutmans a...@zend.com wrote:
Hence my suggestion to bundle MongoDB extension and possibly work on
additional extensions. Some of my suggestions probably rightfully didn't get
much interest such as Thrift.
See my comment in your other thread and below.
On 2011-06-15, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote:
Hi!
Stas, on a different note, weren't we going to roll a 5.4 alpha?
I was going to write about it soon, but since you asked: I was waiting
for RFC/voting discussion and vote in hope that we could get it all
ready before the
-Original Message-
From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:33 AM
To: Andi Gutmans
Cc: Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Andi Gutmans
-
From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:33 AM
To: Andi Gutmans
Cc: Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Andi Gutmans a...@zend.com wrote:
Hence
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
Hi,
I think that -in any context- the if it aint broke don't fix it is a very
depressing attitude to have
Le 16/06/2011 04:36, dukeofgaming a écrit :
Hi,
I think that —in any context— the if it aint broke don't fix it is a very
depressing attitude to have, and a very wrong one in any open source
community.
What I feel depressing is the urge of the PHP core team to fix working
features
Hi!
On every PHP project I work on I had to find workarounds because PHP crashes.
Behaviour bugs (feature not working as intended) are annoying but memory leaks
and
memory corruptions are just a no no no in production environment. The only way
A key to fixing memory corruption is
Le 16/06/2011 07:23, Stas Malyshev a écrit :
Hi!
On every PHP project I work on I had to find workarounds because
PHP crashes. Behaviour bugs (feature not working as intended) are
annoying but memory leaks and memory corruptions are just a no no
no in production environment. The only way
Subject: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
Hi,
Short-array syntax, Native JSON, Currying. I can almost only say one thing:
WHY?!
And because of that, I'd like to forward a mail by Zeev from a few years ago. I
think it applies now even more than then:
-- Forwarded message
Hi,
Short-array syntax, Native JSON, Currying. I can
almost only say one thing: WHY?!
And because of that, I'd like to forward a mail by Zeev from a few years
ago. I think it applies now even more than then:
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:57:32 +0200
From:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
Hi,
Short-array syntax, Native JSON, Currying. I can
almost only say one thing: WHY?!
And because of that, I'd like to forward a mail by Zeev from a few years
ago. I think it applies now even more than then:
I'd to
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
Hi,
Short-array syntax, Native JSON, Currying. I can
almost only say one thing: WHY?!
And because of that, I'd like to forward a mail by Zeev from a few years
ago. I think it applies now even more than then:
snip
I
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