Recently at a local auction I bought a 'lot' of 29 inscribed bone bobbins
which included two hanging bobbins - a William Bull and another which is
virtually unknown - 'MILES WEATHERHIL HUNG 1868'. I know of the existence of
one other.
When I went to the view the first bobbin I picked up was the
I thought maybe everyone's reading the new Harry Potter book ;)))
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)
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Morning everyone,
My soft back copy of this book was published in 1983, the cover is a
different layout to the one on ebay.
Its a beginners book covering *equipment and materials, preparation, basic
stitches, tape lace, adaptation and use of tape lace, torchon lace, plaited
laces, braids and
I have both types of old East Midlands pillows, the large bolster and
square, using them mostly for demo's, I find them a joy to use, there is
plenty of area for working on, the only problem for the modern lacemaker
being the weight, they are extremely heavy for transportation.
A bow fronted horse
I believe the book Marjory is quoting from is 'Country Relics' Described by
H.J. Massingham, published in 1939 by Cambridge University Press. It is a
delightful chapter with line drawings of a lacemaker working at her pillow
another of assorted bobbins and a third of a pillow and horse, winder and
Maybe I'm preaching to the converted here but when pricking using a cork
board or polystyrene after every few pricks run your thumb and fore finger
down the point, this makes it easier by removing the static which makes the
needle cling.
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)
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In the last couple of weeks there was a copy of Christine and David's book
on offer on ebay - though gone now it does appear occasionally.
The two spiral inscription bobbins numbers 29 and 30 were both made by Jesse
Compton of Deanshanger, Northamptonshire.
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)
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Miss Channer died in March 1949. A picture of the lace does not appear in
her little book 'Lace-making in the Midlands' published in 1900 but does
appear in 'Practical Lacemaking' published in 1928, there is not a pricking
in either.
Interestingly in my first edition 'Practical Lacemaking' the
I wonder if Ruth Bean realises that many of the lacemaker desperate for the
mat pricking are not interested in the book which was sold separately. So
printing the pricking and accompanying sheet should not be such a problem.
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)
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As far as I am aware Miss Anne Buck is alive (and I hope well), she wrote
the book that accompanied the pricking but did not adapt it, that was done
by Mrs Patricia Bury.
'Miss Buck is well known for her work in the fields of English costume and
lace. As a young assistant at Luton Museum she took
The photograph of the mat which appears in the book In the Cause of English
Lace I quote:
'Point ground lace designed by Miss Channer worked by Mrs Dixon of Clapham,
Bedford, at one of the classes of the Bedford Technical Institute, c.1926.
Actual size 340mm x 250mm. (Cecil Higgins Art Gallery)'.
I can only agree with, I think it was, ?Aurelia who said why not take a look
at the Sivewright/Pope book published by Springetts which includes some
really beautiful 'fine' Bucks, which the Channer mat is not unless it is
reduced considerably, when I made it 10 years ago I used a Mimosa 60 thread
Aurelia you will find the pattern on page 113/4 of Barbara Underwood book
'A Bedfordshire Lace Collection' published by - yes you guessed it Ruth Bean
;))
I too saw Christine Agambar working the hankie on a course at the college, I
was also lucky enough to see the completed piece on display with
I have a copy of a book called Dentelles Normandes - La Blonde de Caen by
Claudette and Michel Bouvot, published in 1997 I think, by Editions -
Charles Corlet, soft back ISBN 2-85480-695-6. Pre euro 220F. Lots of
coloured illustrations, old lacemakers, old lace, some polychrome, and
prickings -
Torchon was being made in the East Midlands at that time but 'Torchon
Bedfordshire' I don't know and I'm not sure about the 'Buckinghamshire
spider pattern bobbin lace' either!
Another *mistake* is she mentions Nottinghamshire when I'm sure she must
have been referring to Northamptonshire, a
The picture of 'part of a cope', lent by Miss Pope, is on Plate 13 facing
page 65 of Thomas Wright's book Romance of the Lace Pillow.
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)
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I have found in recent years that traders are more and more supplying the
needs of other crafts i.e., patchwork, cross stitch, card making etc., and
also people attending lacedays appear to be participating in other craft
taking along not a lace pillow but sewing, knitting, crochet amongst others.
My copy to has rippled pages too - shame :(
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)
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Mine is a 1919 impression published in London by T. Fisher Unwin Ltd.,
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When cross stitching with a sore finger I use a product called *Thimble
It* - very small adhesive pads which stick to the finger but when removed
leave no residue, I have the oval shape but there is a small round. I bought
mine from J J Ford in the UK though they are from US, the info on the pack
I've found that DMC threads tend to get a bit fluffy after a while - my
favourite fine Floral Bucks Point thread is Kantklosgaren Egyptian Cotton
70/2, which when worked has a nice sheen.
I almost always use ecru but that is a personal preference.
Diana
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Hello Ruth
I think it was Mrs Winifred Millar who said something to the effect that a
piece of lace when laid over the palm of your hand should remain relatively
horizontal and not *droop* over the edge.
Diana
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My 'Lace' magazine arrived this morning - like 2 minutes ago - haven't
opened it yet - so must dash ;))
Diana, Northamptonshire. U.K.
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Once when demonstrating at a craft fair with some of my beautiful old
Midlands type spangled bobbins on the pillow I was told by a very
knowledgeable gentleman spectator that *did I know that the bobbins were
send home by the soldiers to their sweethearts during the war with messages
in code on
Dianne, you could try this http://www.ruskinlace.org.uk/
Diana
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Evening everyone
I think the clue here is the fact that these lamps are called *oil* lamps
and were actually used to hold oil and wick. I should imagine that the wick
holder for many of this type have been lost or broken over the years, I have
two still complete with the holders, one wick holder
Here's an item for the very committed spider ;))
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=58430item=5303049043rd=1#ebayphotohosting
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As you may have guessed by now the visit will be after lunch.
See yaa
Diana
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I must apologise to everyone on the list for the message I sent earlier
which was a private mail to a friend with a similar addy.
I will add as an excuse that I celebrated my 60th birthday yesterday - I
rest my case!!
Diana on a warm sunny evening in Northamptonshire
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Thank you for the birthday wishes - I had a really lovely day. My home has
turned into a florists shop and I had a splendid cake complete with a lace
pillow, bobbins, pins and lace (almost all edible).
Diana
I may have to grow old but I don't have to grow up!
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I'm ashamed to say I cannot claim to be working on anything at the moment
but lurking up on the shelves in my computer/lace room there are three
pillows with work in progress.
A floral Bucks handkerchief edging, the corner of which I designed, from the
Sivewright/Pope book published by Springetts,
You could smooth off the broken end of the bobbin at the shank and use it as
a pin pusher - just a suggestion!
Back to lurkdom ;))
Diana in misty, steamy Northamptonshire
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I would agree with Brian that this is probably a poorly inscribed rather
worn 'William Bull'. The 'Blunt End Man' was not known for the neatness of
his writing :-))
In my collection I have a Castle, Bull, and Worsley plus another hanging
bobbin not listed by Huetson which is 'MILES WEATHERHILL
. My Joseph Castle hanging
bobbin is the one illustrated on page 161.
Diana
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Thank you
Hi Carol
Hanging bobbins are not nearly as rare as people think in fact the
Castle/Bull/Worsley ones are common probably because their crimes were
committed in the lacemaking area lots of these commemoratives would have
been sold and because of their oddity value would have been treasured.
The
I acquired my Miles Weatherill at a local auction house and believe me Carol
there were a few bruised ribs about ;)))
Best wishes from a rather hot, sticky Diana - phew!
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The pricking for the Paisley Pear design is the centre fold for the book
published by the Lace Guild, written by Pat Rowley for the 'Art, Trade or
Mystery' exhibition on Lacemaking in Northamptonshire held a few years ago.
There is also a photograph of Betsy Gibbing of Paulerspury,
Does anyone have any idea what this ebay item was used for?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=12item=3743621864rd=1
Diana in Northamptonshire
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A rather nice stool for the lacemaker - but take look at the description
;)))
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=1221item=3743725128rd=1
*a little old wizened lady - glasses perched on the end of her nose -
toiling away at her very elaborate but delicate lace making whilst
I remember way back when Sandi Millikin originally ask on Arachne for info
on Pitsligo lace - I answered her plea and sent her a few items I'd gathered
over the years for which she was very grateful, I'm very sorry to read of
her illness and death.
Diana in a very dull and dismal Northamptonshire
As Brian knows, I have several 'lacemakers' lamps, I also disagreed with him
until I acquire an example that still had its wick holder in tact. I have
since found another, one wick holder is metal the other earthenware.
These so called 'lacemakers lamps' appear quite regularly on ebay and I've
of any old bobbin inscriptions - amongst other things ;-)
Best wishes
Diana Smith in Northamptonshire where it is bright and sunny but rather
frosty
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I do not subscribe to Lace Chat but there are some Brits on Arachne who
object to the new Duchess of Cornwall being referred to as a breed of dog.
I've not read in any newspapers any criticism of the outfits worn by Camilla
and in my personal opinion she looked beautiful.
I hope they enjoy a long
Hello Jean
I saw that and nearly died of laughing at the 'table top spinning wheel' I
think one of the *experts* called it.
I've sent my two pence worth and I also told them it wasn't complete
anyway!!
Diana in Northamptonshire
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Hello Jean
I also received a reply today regarding the 'table top spinning wheel'.
Guess their working under pressure!!
Diana
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Different people react differently to crisis and trauma, I personally tend
to
make jokes usually at my own expense I hate people fussing around me
and tend to say I'm fine though maybe I'm not - but that's the way I am.
Thank goodness I didn't have anyone remotely near to the bombing though a
Yes Sally lilac wood makes beautiful bobbins, we had a tree blown down in a
tornado - yes I said tornado - in the English midlands!
David Davis made me some bobbins and a small vase, he kept the remainder for
himself for bobbins. A couple did turn from lilac to banana but the rest
were lovely.
Hi Diane
You had a very lucky find there I have a copy of that book which retailed in
the U.K. at £36.00. It really is a lovely book with excellent photography.
Diana Smith in Northamptonshire, U.K.
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it is also worth getting hold of postage rates leaflets from the post
office
You can also download this from the post office website.
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/portal/po/home
I would suggest that you don't list all the items at once as this will just
flood the market - a *trickle* is a better
I've just been sent one each of Anita Wilkinson's Bedfordshire lace books -
Bedfordshire Lace Designs, Bedfordshire L... D.. from the Sargeant
Collection and Bedfordshire Lace Motifs from old unit prickings.
Can anyone tell me how much these books cost each as the kind person that
sent
Hello Liz
I believe the books are published privately by Anita Wilkinson, costing
£5.00, £8.00 and £9.00, they are soft backed and ring bound which make them
easy to open flat for copying - no ISBN number - maybe Jean Leader will know
more.
Bedfordshire Lace Motifs (from old unit prickings)
Unfortunately I haven't got an address for Anita Wilkinson - I would suggest
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information.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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I would agree that the bobbin has definitely been rebeaded, I've compared it
with some of the Haskins bobbins in my own collection and I think it is old.
The spots at the spangle end, which would have been large and colourful on a
Haskins bobbin, are worn down to mere dots, the spangle looks
I have a very large collection of old East Midlands bobbins, Compton's being
my favourites because of the connection with Northamptonshire. With many of
the Compton bobbins the spangles are uniform and it my own personal opinion
that some of the old bobbin makers, just like some of the modern
Hello Debbie
I wonder if you remember the late Don Harrison of Rushden, Northamptonshire.
When I attended my first lace day back c1980 Don's stand was the first one I
saw with its piles of old bobbins and that was where my first antique
bobbins came from, after that I always hoped that Don was
At the bottom of page 53 of Christine David Springetts book there is a
similar type of bobbin, made by Archibald Abbott this one reads 'Fear God'.
Though the picture is in black and white it is clearly decorated in the same
way and in their words Abbott favoured a variety of colours 'from
I have over 2,000 bobbin inscriptions stored on databases - just checked for
'Jean' - sorry nothing :o(
Diana
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I found six Susan's in my bobbin databases, surprisingly there are far more
Susannah's.
Diana
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I hope that everyone is having an enjoyable Christmas, for some of us its
nearly over and others it must just have begun but wherever you are in the
world - enjoy.
From
Diana in Northamptonshire - whose had so many bobbins for Christmas she'll
soon be able to take up lacemaking ;o)))
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Hello Laura
Below is an old 'recipe' for a parchment softener, it came from one of the
old lacemakers, though I haven't used it myself.
I believe the neatsfoot oil is available from a saddler (or anyone working
with leather I would think).
I stress I haven't used it myself so do experiment with
I was saddened to read of the death of Marjory Carter - an amazing lady of
great character.
In the 1980's a friend and I booked, with great trepidation as Marjory
didn't suffer fools gladly, a weekend course with her at the College of Lace
at Rugby. We were both very interested in the old draft
Some members may be interested to hear that according to the local
newspapers Knuston Hall in Northamptonshire has been given a reprieve and
will remain open for at least another 12 months.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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It also raises the old argument 'did it hold water or oil'! I shouldn't
think anyone could work Honiton with the small beam of light through that
globe.
Also I would like to know where he got the valuation from at £200, if that's
right I'm sitting on a small fortune - I think not ;o)
Still we
Hello Nicky
I have a large amount of research on old postcards/pictures of lacemakers.
The picture that you have was published around 1926 by Harry Armstrong of
the Bucks cottage Workers Agency, in a large format book called 'A Sixteenth
Century Industry' (lacemaking). The ladies were all
I looked in Thomas Wright's book, Romance of the Lace Pillow and
noticed that he acknowledges help received from a Mrs. Dowdy of North
Crawley...probably one of the lacemakers (Isabella Dowdy) in the photo?
He doesn't specify how she helped him, but is listed in a long
alphabetical list of people
Hello Jo
You could try the Fan Museum - might be something lacy on view.
http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/LeisureCulture/Attractions/FanMuseum.htm
Best wishes
Diana
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The museum at Luton is called Wardown Park and is actually in a park of the
same name.
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Diana in a wet and stormy Northamptonshire
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The Luton lacemaker is on the cover of the book by Alice-May Bullock 'Lace
and Lacemaking'.
Diana
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Hello Aurelia
I too remember Doreen Fudge with great affection, Luton was never the same
post Doreen, always willing to copy 'anything and everything' and if the
copy was not quite right she would say Oh that's no good but you can have
it anyway (free of charge). Before the Luton sheets were
Here's another strange pair of 'bobbins' on eBay - item number 230037008494.
Any ideas as to what these were used for?
Diana in a wet and miserable Northamptonshire
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I would like to wish all you spiders out there a very Merry Christmas and a
Happy New Year
From
Diana in Northamptonshire
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For many years there has been a lacemaker automaton in the upstairs widow of
Rococo's lace shop in Brugge.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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Hello Noelene
In my research I have an instance of a 'Straw plaiter' who later became a
'lacemaker'. Maybe the person you found was a worker of both if they are
both recorded.
There is a very distant bell ringing in my head of seeing somewhere a sample
of lace made from straw. Another bell
I have a photograph of a group of girls making lace at New Pitsligo. As it
is quite small and not very clear the lace they are making is not visible.
If anyone is interested I can send them a scan.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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What I would query is how clean and new the inside of the cups look. I would
also like to see a globe once it has been removed from the cup. In its
favour it has three legs (just like an old pillow horse) which would have
kept it fairly stable on an uneven floor.
But whichever way you look at
I've never seen East Midlands lace bobbins with covers like these - has
anyone else?
Ebay item number: 220090154123
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A while back there was some discussion on laminating lace could anyone tell
me what the consensus was?
I have just taken a Bucks Point bookmark off the pillow, I shall be giving
it to my old schoolteacher and thought that laminating would be the better
option for her use. She is 91 years old,
Thank you to the people who responded to my enquiry regarding laminating. As
the lace is fine Bucks I think it would be better enclosed in some way,
having used sleeves in the past but found that the lace tends to move about
I wondered if laminating would hold it firm. As yet I am undecided -
Hello Carol
Thanks for reminding me I'd forgotten the sleeves with a coloured back, I
think I might have some somewhere.
To be honest its so long since I completed a piece of lace (even a bookmark)
I've totally lost touch ;o(
No bent pins but a very sore pin finger!!
Diana in Northants
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Good afternoon everyone,
Help needed - I've just purchased a beautiful old inscribed lace bobbin made
by James Compton of Deanshanger, Northants. Unfortunately it is missing its
head and neck but has been drilled and obviously at some time it was fitted
with a replacement. I have several old
Again eBay has thrown up a 'Vintage lace making' item. This looks more like
spinning top. But is almost certainly a weight of some kind.
Item no 140115173549
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Probably the best examples are the old English lacemakers (and I guess the
continentals as well) who always sat outside to take advantage of the better
light.
Diana in Northants
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Interesting items - the bobbins are Danish and I think the lace is also -
look like 'Copenhagen Holes' to me.
Item number 280122716899
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Hello Debbie
I think your bobbin could be a very early English Midlands type. The late
Margaret Turner called these 'Cottager bobbins'.
The neck for holding the thread is quite short which would indicate that the
date is early when the thread being used was very fine. These very early
Opinions seems to differ slightly but an 'ell' would appear to be
approximately 45 inches. That item doesn't look to be that long.
I have two old lacemakers 'yard wands' - one is marked out in 'nails' and is
36 inches long the other measures 42 inches.
Diana in Northants
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Hello Carol
I could only find two hanging bobbins listed. Anne Swift is a very well
known and reputable dealer in lace and bobbins. JimBob what not!! has been
selling a collection for a few weeks including some rather nice bobbins but
I don't know anything about the person.
Though I'm a
Hello Rosemary
The bobbins were made by different turners. The 'W. Worsley' looks to have
been made by 'Bobbin' Brown of Cranfield, Bedfordshire and is a nice
example.
The 'William Worsley' is by the 'blunt end' man as identified by Christine
David Springett in their book. Unfortunately
Hello Helen
I don't know of anyone who has seen a Dazeley bobbin.
My ancestors also lived in Wrestlingworth. My several greats grandmother (a
lacemaker) would have been around at the time ;o(
Diana in Northants where its been a beautiful sunny day - could summer be
here at last!!
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Hello Brenda
Was William Fairall notorious!! Hanging bobbins are usually connected with
the lacemaking area or are unusual in some way i.e. Franz Muller who
committed the first murder on a railway train.
I'm not a aware of any lacemaking connection with my Miles Weatherhill, but
it was a
A lovely site but I'm not sure I would agree with some of the
identification.
One piece with the 'trademark' Maltese cross is included under Tombolo. Also
on the Paris Point there is very little Paris Ground to be seen, and one
(bottom
row middle) looks to be needle made.
Diana in
Hello Laurie
Maybe the seller would be better advised to describe the bobbins as
'possibly by' a certain maker and leave the decision open to the buyer. I
also have noticed other bobbin sellers quoting the book by David and
Christine - which I agree is excellent but not infallible.
My own
I live in the county of Northamptonshire - the county was once considered
the boot and shoe 'capital' of the UK ;o) As far as I am aware the laces
used in the boot and shoe industry were/are not made in the area.
In the north of the county women/children listed as 'lacemakers' were
employed
Hi Sue
That would probably have been the late Don Harrison. My first old bobbins
also came from him though I could cringe when I think how he handle (or
mishandled) the bobbins in his care. Christmas and birthdays my DH would
take me over to see Don who would tip the different lots bobbins
Hi Carol
Me again - yes I remember the very enjoyable day at Sudeley, the lace, the
gardens and the house.
Just to let you know I've sent for a ticket for Sheringham Lace Day - look
forward to seeing you there - that's if I get a ticket ;o(
Bests
Diana in Northants
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I found this page while checking out the Cecil Higgins Art Gallery for a
possible visit - unfortunately a no go as the gallery is closed at the
moment for refurbishment.
For those of you interested in Bedfordshire lace (or not just Beds!!) its a
opportunity to take a closer look at some of
The vendor also has a lovely piece of Mechlin with a wonder provenance -
180152607867
Diana in Northants
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Hi, all,
Some years ago (more than I care to remember) I visited the shop kept by
Iris Martin in Clickers Yard, Olney - she sold various sundries, old and
new, for lacemaking, some of my first bobbins came from Iris when she had a
shop in the main street near to Harry Armstrong's old lace factory.
I've got a 1982 first edition signed by Bridget must fetch a four figure
sum - anyone interested - just kidding it's not for sale ;o))
Diana in Northants
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