Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-21 Thread Paul Hirose
The Astronomical Almanac (2019) says ∆UT = UT1 - UTC DUT1 = predicted value of ∆UT, rounded to 0.1 s, given in some radio time signals (Unfortunately, this scan cuts off part of the leftmost characters. But you can deduce them, except perhaps Ee and Eo: equation of the equinoxes and

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-21 Thread Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman)
Interesting! Another example of “polysemy” (http://hanksville.org/futureofutc/aas223/presentations/2-1-ISOterminologyAAS.pdf) in timekeeping. In addition to changes in funding (be careful what you ask for, precision time community), best practices (and worse practices) should get a good

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-21 Thread Michael Deckers via LEAPSECS
   On 2022-11-21 14:19, Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman) wrote: In a post-leap-second world, precision values for dUT1 either become more critical or less. Or rather, they become no-less important scientifically but perhaps negligible politically. For

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-21 Thread Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman)
Interesting. In a post-leap-second world, precision values for dUT1 either become more critical or less. Or rather, they become no-less important scientifically but perhaps negligible politically. For example, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273117719302388 says “Global

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-21 Thread Michael Deckers via LEAPSECS
   On 2022-11-20 15:15, Tony Finch asked: (Do any of the national broadcast signals actually follow the ITU spec?)    Lists of UTC time signals with details about the coding are in    the Annual reports of the BIPM time department, at    [https://www.bipm.org/en/time-ftp/annual-reports].   

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-20 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Tony Finch said: > Well, no, not for more than half the year. I happen to be close to the > Greenwich meridian so my clocks currently show something close to mean > solar time (about 30 seconds fast, I think?) but that isn't true for most > people. Indeed. I live 1 minute 37 seconds east of the

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-20 Thread Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman)
Hi Tony, The time zone system and daylight-saving time are layered on UTC. My clock shows Mountain Standard Time year-round. Other people’s show other local times and 10-15% of these change by an hour twice a year. These small complications will not be made simpler by attempting to remove the

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-20 Thread Tony Finch
Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman) wrote: > > Getting the solar time currently means looking at your watch or the > upper right-hand corner of the monitor. Well, no, not for more than half the year. I happen to be close to the Greenwich meridian so my clocks currently show something close to mean

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-20 Thread Kevin Birth
ssion List Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time? Hi Tony, Getting the solar time currently means looking at your watch or the upper right-hand corner of the monitor. Would anybody else's summary of the notion of "easy access" include phrases like: "8.23 bits two

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-20 Thread Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman)
Hi Tony, Getting the solar time currently means looking at your watch or the upper right-hand corner of the monitor. Would anybody else’s summary of the notion of “easy access” include phrases like: “8.23 bits two’s complement fixed point” or “NMEA sentences that contain anything like UT1 or

Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-20 Thread Tony Finch
Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman) wrote: > > The plan, rather, is to cease easy access to solar time. The resolution says the GCPM : encourages the BIPM to work with relevant organizations to identify the : need for updates in the different services that disseminate the value of : the difference

[LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?

2022-11-20 Thread Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman)
Whatever they do to poor old UTC and by extension to the concept of Universal Time as the modern realization of Greenwich Mean Time, atomic time and solar time will continue to be separate kinds of time scales, both of which are necessary for diverse engineering requirements for civil