Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Axel Simon
Hi, Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying sign up overlay? axel Le 2013-09-09 05:12, Shava Nerad a écrit : As far as I am concerned it is not. I might have posted the link if you had not brought it to our attention. Thank you. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:36

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread phryk
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:23:30 +0200 Axel Simon axelsi...@axelsimon.net wrote: Hi, Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying sign up overlay? axel Nope, I got that too. You can remove it with the developer tools/firebug. A bit disappointing that they go all HEY

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Al Billings
Which can be dismissed with a click normally... -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Monday, September 9, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Axel Simon wrote: Hi, Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying “sign up” overlay? axel Le 2013-09-09 05:12, Shava Nerad a

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread phryk
On other sites, yes - that's what I'm used to. But on this site I didn't see anything that even remotely resembles anything approximating a close button; Clicking besides the popup won't do anything either. -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 12:50:49PM +0200, phryk wrote: http://cryptome.org/2013/09/nsa-cowboy.htm 9 September 2013 The Cowboy of the NSA Keith Alexander

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Noah Shachtman
Wired -- my old employer -- did publish a NSA story recently, concentrating on Ft. Meade's new-ish offensive push. But I'm not sure it was really a profile in the classic sense. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Joseph Mornin jos...@mornin.org wrote: Wired also did a profile:

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Noah Shachtman
Guys: I know the registration wall can be a bit of a pain. Asa reader, I'm not nuts about them, either. But these measures really are important to FP's long-term financial health. Anyway, in the future, let me see if I can get links I post to Libtech white-listed, so you guys don't have to go

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread liberationtech
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:23:30 +0200 Axel Simon axelsi...@axelsimon.net wrote: Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying sign up overlay? If you disable javascript for the site there is no overlay. If you selectively block javascript from anything not fp.com, the overlay

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Leif Ryge
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:15:02AM -0400, liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:23:30 +0200 Axel Simon axelsi...@axelsimon.net wrote: Am I the only one for whom the page is hidden behind an annoying sign up overlay? If you disable javascript for the site there is no

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Al Billings
Have fun tilting that windmill, Mr. Quixote. Like it or not, to fully use websites at this point, you generally need things like Javascript and CSS. The reason that most folks, even security folks like the ones I work with, don't run with NoScript on all the time is that it breaks the net as

[liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Scott Arciszewski
Hello, I saw this article on The Guardian[1] and it mentioned a librarian who posted a sign that looked like this: http://www.librarian.net/pics/antipat4.gif and would remove it if visited by the FBI. So a naive question comes to mind: If I operated an internet service, and I posted a thing that

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
On 9 Sep 2013, at 17:29, Scott Arciszewski kobrasre...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I saw this article on The Guardian[1] and it mentioned a librarian who posted a sign that looked like this: http://www.librarian.net/pics/antipat4.gif and would remove it if visited by the FBI. So a naive

Re: [liberationtech] [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on BULLRUN

2013-09-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 09/07/2013 02:46 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 12:26:22PM -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Eugen, When Bruce Schneier made the call for people to come forward and describe being asked to degrade standards or build backdoors I don't think this is what he meant. Bruce

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Dan Staples
Presumably, if this type of approach became widely adopted, it would be a useful service for an independent group to monitor the status of these notices and periodically publish a report of which companies had removed their notice. On 09/09/2013 12:52 PM, Scott Arciszewski wrote: Forgot the URL:

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread LISTS
I wonder if there's a false analogy here. Hypothetically, the librarian's sign could fall down (maybe the wind blew it over) whereas a notice on a site would have to be removed via coding. There would be little other explanation, even in the case where one does not affirmatively renew the dead

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Shelley
It may be outside the mainstream, but so is our interest in-- and understanding of-- security and privacy issues. nbsp;Judging by the millions who download these tools, I am not alone in wanting to block scripts and tracking. I'll save my security researchers using social media (outside of

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Scott Arciszewski
Forgot the URL: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/09/nsa-sabotage-dead-mans-switch On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Scott Arciszewski kobrasre...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I saw this article on The Guardian[1] and it mentioned a librarian who posted a sign that looked like this:

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Shelley
gt;gt;Like it or not, to fully use websites at this point, you generally need things like Javascript and CSS. I disagree. nbsp;Not only do I want the protection from .js vulnerabilites and tracking when I browse, I just want the text. nbsp;Not a bunch of useless social media buttons and

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Ben Doernberg
That is genius. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Case Black casebl...@gmail.com wrote: There's a more subtle variant to this idea... Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an NSL...with the public understanding that it must be a lie (there's no law against falsely

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Shava Nerad
You are awesome,clever, and full of tricks. :) Should I credit you with this? yrs, On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Case Black casebl...@gmail.com wrote: There's a more subtle variant to this idea... Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an NSL...with the public

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Petter Ericson
That, and civil disobedience á la Lavabit. /P On 09 September, 2013 - Matt Johnson wrote: All of the sneaky signs, email headers and web page badges assume the FBI, or whoever the adversary is are incompetent or inept. That does not see like a safe assumption to me. The only prudent

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Case Black
I absolutely agree with your point...cleverness alone doesn't go very far against ruthless adversaries. To paraphrase a prior post that's quite relevant to this discussion: ...the members of this list are uniquely qualified to influence that policy debate in terms of shaping both hard and soft

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Matt Johnson
All of the sneaky signs, email headers and web page badges assume the FBI, or whoever the adversary is are incompetent or inept. That does not see like a safe assumption to me. The only prudent approach is to assume your adversary is intelligent and competent. My guess is that the only defense

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Al Billings
I suggest your use of the net is well outside the mainstream, even amongst security folks. Some of us actually use social networking, for example, or don't want ugly, half broken websites simply because we fear a JavaScript zero day. Al -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Monday,

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 09/09/2013 03:40 PM, Case Black wrote: There's a more subtle variant to this idea... Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an NSL...with the public understanding that it must be a lie (there's no law against falsely making such a claim...yet!). When actually

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 09/09/2013 12:50 PM, Al Billings wrote: Have fun tilting that windmill, Mr. Quixote. Like it or not, to fully use websites at this point, you generally need things like Javascript and CSS. The reason that most folks, even security folks like the ones I work with, don't run with NoScript on

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Shava Nerad
I clicked, I got the article no problem, I read the article and enjoyed it with the sick fascination we tend to read these things. Odd to think of FP as sort of tabloid celebrity profile of the monsters of the field, eh? ;) I reposted it on G+ with the comment: === *Foreign Policy frames

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Shava Nerad
Oh yes, but it's funny as hell. There's something to be said for that in times like this. Mouse, meet owl. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Case Black casebl...@gmail.com wrote: I absolutely agree with your point...cleverness alone doesn't go very far against ruthless adversaries. To

Re: [liberationtech] Naive Question

2013-09-09 Thread Case Black
There's a more subtle variant to this idea... Regularly state (put up a sign) that you HAVE in fact received an NSL...with the public understanding that it must be a lie (there's no law against falsely making such a claim...yet!). When actually served with an NSL, you would now be bound by law

Re: [liberationtech] Meet the 'cowboy' in charge of the NSA

2013-09-09 Thread Yosem Companys
I'm kind of surprised FP's javascript is the main topic of discussion around this article. Thank you FP and Shane Harris for this very informative article! Second that. This is why we regularly tweet FP content because the FP is one of the best sources for liberationtech-like news out there.

[liberationtech] Freedom not fear, talks at anti surveillance demo in Berlin

2013-09-09 Thread Alster
I'm writing to pass along some news from Germany - where national elections will take place later this month. Last Saturday, 10,000 (maybe 15,000) people took to the streets of Berlin to demonstrate for Freedom Not Fear. This marks the third (and largest) anti surveillance demonstration the city

Re: [liberationtech] Matthew D Green

2013-09-09 Thread Richard Brooks
Follow the money. -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at

[liberationtech] Cryptogeddon

2013-09-09 Thread Scott Elcomb
Just stumbled across this post and thought it might be of interest to some on the list. In a nutshell, Cryptogeddon is an online cyber security war game. The game consists of various missions, each of which challenges the participant to apply infosec tools to solve technology puzzles – an online