Yes, the next official release for S/390 will be Red Hat Advanced Server
3.0 and you are obliged to take the support contract of RH.
I Think it's time to move to DEBIAN S/390 ?
What do you think ?
There is no more Free software for S/390 in RH and Suse
Mathieu C. CARTIER
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You could Have UTSGLOBAL solution to backup on zLinux and they have a
dirver for STK Libaries. With this solution you can create Virtual Tape
Devices on an ESS or HDS and then backup thoses virtual tapes on a STK
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It is a good solution if you use Flashcopy mode, and you backup
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, MCCARTIER wrote:
Yes, the next official release for S/390 will be Red Hat Advanced Server
3.0 and you are obliged to take the support contract of RH.
I Think it's time to move to DEBIAN S/390 ?
What do you think ?
I think the onus is on the vendors to show value.
To reiterate, Red Hat and SuSE for Intel give you a CHOICE. At least they SUPPLY the
new version RPM's. That's not the case (officially) with the SLES-for-390 version.
Config files shouldn't be stepped on by a properly built RPM.
-Original Message-
From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL
Thanks for the info, and to all of those who replied to this thread. Mathieu's post
quoted below sure makes me think. How much does RedHat support cost now? I had a
meeting with a couple people from our IBM business partner, who said he thought that
RedHat support cost about $30,000 per
I posted a couple of issues lately (invalid IP address messages and
inability to ftp to class A or class C addresses). The problems were
introduced by a recent SLES8 kernel upgrade. We backed off
kernel-source-2.4.19.SuSE-43.
Ken Hall wrote:
Samba on SuSE 8.0 is 2.2.5, which is better than 2.2.0a, but 2.2.8 builds
and runs very nicely.
But if you build vanilla 2.2.8, you lose the many patches that SuSE has
applied to 2.2.5. I noticed a file named something like printing.diff had
over 9000 lines of changes. I didn't
I didn't look that closely at the 2.2.5 RPM from SuSE. We haven't gotten SLES8 past
initial testing, and we don't do printing through the servers anyway.
No, the Samba RPM's are vanilla. Some of my other ones have patches retrofitted, but
I don't remember which.
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Yes, but do they give you a choice for there server (sles or rhas)
products on intel?
-Original Message-
From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SLES 8
To reiterate, Red Hat and SuSE for Intel give you
Not DIRECTLY. The Advanced Server model has the same support model on both
platforms. My point is that there IS another model for Intel, and they do supply
RPM's that CAN be installed on the AS
version IF YOU WANT. On 390, since nobody is even BUILDING new RPM's, you don't even
have the
True, assuming you can find them. I'm not sure, but you might also need a
registration code/login.
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From: Little, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SLES 8
if that's the case, you
and if you've purchased the sles or rhas, shouldn't you have that logon?
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From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SLES 8
True, assuming you can find them. I'm not sure, but you might
Only for the exact version you purchased. Having access to RPM's for SLES7 for 390
doesn't get you access to the non-SLES for Intel.
They (SuSE) also hide the source RPM's. When I needed one to re-implement my
changes to Openldap, I had to ask for the specific location.
My experience with
Hello from Gregg C Levine
About the hiding of the source RPMs for S/390 issue. Are you sure
about that one? Every time I wanted to track down a source one for a
binary one on their FTP site, I've found it. Granted, it isn't in the
same format/name, as the Red Hat ones, but it works. Of course this
Hide might be a bit strong, but I did have to ask. We get periodic announcements of
updated RPM's, but the announcements don't include links to the source RPM's. When I
asked, SuSE support sent me
a link to the RPM source directory, BUT it requires a registration code that's
specific to that
David Boyes wrote:
Field testing seems to indicate that there is a noticeable benefit to
this approach.
Could you describe the scenarios where this setup provides benefit?
I guess there might be some benefit in cases where you expect requests
to be satisfied from the MDC frequently, i.e.
MOST of the entries in my /etc/services file have been duplicated
identically for some reason Is this bad? How could this have happened
in the first place? Do I need to remove the duplicate lines, if so is there
a whiz-bang way to do that?
msg-auth 31/tcp # MSG
One is tcp, the other is udp, quite normal.
Paul
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/28/03 01:37PM
MOST of the entries in my /etc/services file have been duplicated
identically for some reason Is this bad? How could this have
happened
in the first place? Do I need to remove the duplicate lines, if so is
We have 11 3390-9 on a shark dedicated to a linux guest in an lvm
configuration. We're trying to back them up via flashcopy and then backup
those via os/390. I'm trying to see if we're getting a good backup by
taking the flashcopies, dedicating them to another guest and bringing them
up as a
Sorry, the latest SLES8 has the latest stuff. I'm not sure about SLES7
stuff. Can you check the source for the 20030221 kernel? (The stuff is in
/drivers/s390/.../hwc.c) It appears you have the support contact with SuSE
so what do they say?
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forgive me if I keep
Look closer...they are not dups. You have an entry for UDP and one for
TCP.
Thanks,
Donald Patterson
T. Rowe Price Investment Technologies
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Hi,
SuSE SLES7, 2.4.7-SuSE-SMP
Ran dasdfmt on a 3390-9 but fdasd never seems to finish.
I ran fdasd /dev/dasdc, picked option 'n' for native linux, checked it with the
print option and then hit 'w' to write the VTOC.
messages:
writing VTOC...
rereading partition table ...
6 dasdc:VOL1/ 0X0202:
Old problem (Dec 2001?). You need to the update kernel.
-Original Message-
Hi,
SuSE SLES7, 2.4.7-SuSE-SMP
Ran dasdfmt on a 3390-9 but fdasd never seems to finish.
I ran fdasd /dev/dasdc, picked option 'n' for native linux, checked it
with the print option and then hit 'w' to write the
Okay I've got the TCP/IP rexec daemon running on z/VM. Now I'm
assuming I also have to have a rexec daemon running on my Linux guest. I'm
very much a Linux newbie.. How do you start the daemon on the Linux
side? I've looked in the man pages, but no luck on actually starting it up.
TIA,
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) wrote:
Well, 2 come to mind:
1) It stopped accepting connections at 50 users.
2) There was a problem with joining domains with smbpasswd. It couldn't find the DC.
Both gone in later releases.
Same thing with Openldap, and the latest version
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) wrote:
To reiterate, Red Hat and SuSE for Intel give you a CHOICE. At least they SUPPLY
the new version RPM's. That's not the case (officially) with the SLES-for-390
version.
Config files shouldn't be stepped on by a properly built RPM.
If you want to start a process on VM from linux, you only need the rexec
client program on Linux. The rexec daemon is started from inetd (or xinetd).
Look at /etc/inetd.conf (for inetd).
On Friday 28 March 2003 01:57 pm, you wrote:
Okay I've got the TCP/IP rexec daemon running on z/VM. Now
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
Thanks for the info, and to all of those who replied to this thread. Mathieu's post
quoted below sure makes me think. How much does RedHat support cost now? I had a
meeting with a couple people from our IBM business partner, who said he thought
OK ! You can have RH 9 for intel and recompil it for mainframe and
testing it. (we do something like this !)
but Why creating a release like Suse SLES 8.0 or RHAS 3.0 without any
access to the distrib before buying,
and if you want the SLES 8.0 OR RHAS 3.0 you have to pay a support
contract.
I
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) wrote:
Not DIRECTLY. The Advanced Server model has the same support model on both
platforms. My point is that there IS another model for Intel, and they do supply
RPM's that CAN be installed on the AS
version IF YOU WANT. On 390, since nobody is
Betsie - IPL your initrd from the Patch CD. The kernal that is loaded from
CD 1 of that distribution really cannot handle 3390-mod 9 volumes. IPL the
initrd from that patch cd and do the install of your choice. When you have
installed all the packages but BEFORE you commit to finishing the
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Alan Cox wrote:
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 10:51, MCCARTIER wrote:
Yes, the next official release for S/390 will be Red Hat Advanced Server
3.0 and you are obliged to take the support contract of RH.
Fir the product yes, but not for the free software parts of it. Or run
Assuming you can get them, per my other notes.
If Samba 2.2.6 RPM's are only available to licensees of SuSE for Intel, they don't
help me much.
We're going in circles.
-Original Message-
From: John Summerfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:14 PM
To:
I don't think that the rexec daemon needs to be running on z/VM. To have
it start with a Linux SLES7 guest, modify the /etc/inetd.conf file:
execstream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd in.rexecd
.thanks
Scott Archer wrote:
Okay I've got the TCP/IP rexec daemon running on z/VM.
spend $70US for SuSE professional?
-Original Message-
From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SLES 8
Assuming you can get them, per my other notes.
If Samba 2.2.6 RPM's are only available to licensees
-Original Message-
From: Gustavson, John (IDS ECCS) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ASP?
Instant ASP converts the ASP's to JSP's. The server runs as a jvm.
there are also some commercial products.
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) wrote:
Assuming you can get them, per my other notes.
If Samba 2.2.6 RPM's are only available to licensees of SuSE for Intel, they don't
help me much.
We're going in circles.
If you don't like SuSE, tell SuSE and/or choose another vendor.
--
You can't expect SuSE to read your mind. If you have a
support contract
with SuSE, then when you have a problem, ask them to fix it.
Even if you
don't think you will need the fix for long because you don't
plan to use
the broken software for much longer, getting the report in
helps others
Can't. Policy.
Redhat hasn't been very helpful. We never did get their 390 version running here,
although I've heard others did.
-Original Message-
From: John Summerfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390]
Not out of my own pocket, thanks. Not when we're paying $$$ for a support contract.
To be fair, I SHOULD have just made a list of everything that was wrong, and reported
it all to them, but things are moving so fast here I don't have time to wait for them
to respond, and Samba 2.2.0a
was just
i understand. i say that because we bought suse 8.1 professional for some
other purposes.
however suse's policy towards the enterprise products is to be very
conservative.
-Original Message-
From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:33 PM
To:
SuSE has a single source code base. They build all their platforms from the
same source repository. If you go to one of the SuSE FTP mirrors, and
download a source RPM for a particular version, that is the same source RPM
that would have been used for all their platforms that contain that
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 20:19, Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) wrote:
Assuming you can get them, per my other notes.
If Samba 2.2.6 RPM's are only available to licensees of SuSE for Intel, they don't
help me much.
Samba source is available to anyone. You just have to build it. If
your vendor won't
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 20:16, MCCARTIER wrote:
but Why creating a release like Suse SLES 8.0 or RHAS 3.0 without any
access to the distrib before buying,
and if you want the SLES 8.0 OR RHAS 3.0 you have to pay a support
contract.
Red Hat advanced server basically *is* the support contract,
forgive me if I keep hammering on this topic, but i'm still
not able to get this to work. I'm trying to get Linux guests
to respond to the CP SIGNAL SHUTDOWN command.
Using
SuSE SLES7 (2.4.7 kernel. This was downloaded from SuSE's
site as k-timer-2.4.7-20030221, dated Feb 21 2003.
James,
What is the output to uname -a?
My current is 2.4.7-SuSE-SMP #1 Tue Oct 30 22:39:07 GMT 2001 s390
Betsie
- Original Message -
From: James Melin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: fdasd never ends
Betsie - IPL your initrd
Betsie - This is what I get
Linux rockhopper 2.4.7-SuSE-SMP #1 SMP Mon Dec 17 11:23:56 GMT 2001 s390
unknown
Have a great weekend!
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it doesn't change. unfortunately.
[OT] btw, have you changed your mind yet on modern translations of
shakespeare? :)
-Original Message-
From: Betsie Spann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: fdasd never ends
James,
What is
This can be accomplished fairly easily by NFS exporting the part of the file
system containing the logs as read-only. The developers would be able mount
the file system on their workstation, and look at everything that
permissions allow, but not be able to modify anything.
Mark Post
Or install Mike Kershaw's bootshell program which will get you where you
want to go without recompiling the kernel. Then, when you get SLES8 in
house, you can change your automation from CP SEND HALT to CP SIGNAL
SHUTDOWN, update your /etc/inittab, and be ready to go.
Mark Post
-Original
Jim.
Since I have a 2.4.7 system up, can I just ftp the k_deflt.rpm from the
patch cd and install it?
Betsie Spann
VM Systems Programmer
- Original Message -
From: James Melin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: fdasd never ends
Betsie,
Yes. I forget if the RPM does the zipl command for you or not. You'll need
to check into that.
Also, in case you weren't aware, you can do the install via ftp:
rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.server.name/path/to/updated/k_deflt.rpm
Mark Post
-Original Message-
From: Betsie Spann
Jeremy,
I did some testing. This crontab entry works for me:
cd ; COLUMNS=200 LINES=200 top -c -C -b -d1 -n1 top.list
Apparently both the columns and lines need to be specified.
Mark Post
-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Warren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003
Eric,
Sorry for the late reply to this. I'm more than a little behind.
The messages you're getting are indicating that either the CTC driver didn't
load, or the parameters passed to it are such that it isn't finding the
devices you believe it should be finding.
At times like this, I always
Gerard,
I don't think your problem is a limitation. The subchannels that are
being reported as inoperable are all less than 025A.
Have you made any hardware configuration changes to your system lately? Did
you add new CHPIDs to the system dynamically. That is, without a
power-on-reset?
Mark
if that's the case, you can always download the srpms and build them
yourself.
-Original Message-
From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SLES 8
Not DIRECTLY. The Advanced Server model has the same
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 10:51, MCCARTIER wrote:
Yes, the next official release for S/390 will be Red Hat Advanced Server
3.0 and you are obliged to take the support contract of RH.
Fir the product yes, but not for the free software parts of it. Or run
Debian or mix and match, whatever.
Heck
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