On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:23:59PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:31:45PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
The default kernel image doesn't use much memory for caching your disk
- 5% of ram. This is easy to change, you can run:
config -e -o /nbsd /bsd
cachepct
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:29:36PM +1200, Adam Martin wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking for a software developer willing to take on a project that
I have in mind.. the work would be unpaid until completion of the
project.. whereby programmer would be paid a 50% royalty (of profits).
The skills
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:04:31PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:39:20PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
Well, you have to update for security issues. And often there are
dependicies that decide they want to be updated too. I much prefer
just having upgrades every
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:03:35PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:23:59PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote:
Yeah, that's what prompted me to try FreeBSD out a couple of years
ago. But I got disk corruption under FreeBSD for some reason. And
then I decided to do an OpenBSD
I have looked at man pages and a some howtos but I can't yet determine
how I can use procmail to sort existing messages in an arbitary maildir
rather than sorting incoming messages
I have 16K+ messages in my inbox and would like to run procmail over it
to sort out the wheat/chaffe
Any quick
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:07:56PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
Yeah, but won't security updates also need core system components to
be updated? That's what I seem to remember.
Generally, no.
I used to use Debian unstable once a time. But that's back when I had
too much spare time. I
sure bring it along
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 16:04, Nick Brettell wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200
Nick Rout wrote:
It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have done the
usual google searches? and the linux laptops page?
Yes, but I'm don't really know how to
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:04:22 +1200
Nick Brettell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200
Nick Rout wrote:
It may need acpi turned on in the kernel. I assume you have done the
usual google searches? and the linux laptops page?
Yes, but I'm don't really know
I suspect he is better to download the kernel source for his distro and
kernel version - otherwise other things may break.
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 21:00, Peter Elliott wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:04:22 +1200
Nick Brettell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:17:55 +1200
Hi,
I am in the process of pulling down ximian evolution 1.4 for Redhat 8.0,
adn was wondering when I have it on campus, how can I set up a
red-carpet server to dish the rpms to others that are interested ... any
suggestions.
I cant find anything on the ximian site about how to run a red-caret
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:04:23 +1200
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suspect he is better to download the kernel source for his distro and
kernel version - otherwise other things may break.
um
yes and no (irish blood)
we could try it that way but a common problem here is that
Don't you mean debian.paradise.net.nz? And they only have Debian on
there these days, or so it seems
Cheers, me...
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 16:20, Mahesh De Silva wrote:
ftp.paradise.net.nz
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:53, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Peter Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:04:23 +1200
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suspect he is
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:35:46 +1200
Peter Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:04:23 +1200
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suspect he is better to download the kernel source for his distro
and kernel version - otherwise other things may break.
um
yes
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:02:07PM +1200, Dale Anderson wrote:
I still havent seen fun stuff like E17 in debians list either as yet
...maybe im not looking hard enough ...
E17 is still under heavy development and considered fairly unstable. If
you're willing to risk it, or planning to work
- Original Message -
From: Christopher Sawtell
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:53, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Peter Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:35
Chris Bayley, 2003-06-10 19:33:40 +1200:
I have looked at man pages and a some howtos but I can't yet determine
how I can use procmail to sort existing messages in an arbitary maildir
rather than sorting incoming messages
I have 16K+ messages in my inbox and would like to run procmail
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:12, you wrote:
Might be a good idea to do a 'uname -r' to confirm that, it'd be pity to
turn
up at the evening with the wrong kernel.
Yes, I checked it and it is indeed 2.4.21...
But we need to know what the ellipsis ( ... ) is hiding?
--
C. S.
- Original Message -
From: Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: laptop acpi Re: CLUG Clinic Meeting - Monday 30 June 2003
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:12, you wrote:
Might be a good idea to do a 'uname -r' to
My first Gentoo installation was done with a temporary cd-rom drive with the
covers off, after that everything was via the NIC.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Ben Aitchison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 3:41 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
its maildir not mbox, but it should still be possible to do the same
sort of thing.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:21:30+1200 Timothy Musson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Bayley, 2003-06-10 19:33:40 +1200:
I have looked at man pages and a some howtos but I can't yet
determine how I can use procmail
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:16:26PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:22, you wrote: ported to the the Darwin Kernel
on PPC. You can now have all your X11 based toys _and_ Photoshop etc
on the same machine without rebooting!
You can anyway. Apple have released a
Adam Martin wrote:
the work would be unpaid until completion of the
project.. whereby programmer would be paid a 50% royalty (of profits).
Ding ding ding.
My warning bell just went off.
Cheers,
Carl.
Any furthur word on the X86 release of Darwin that Apple were playing with a
while back
Cheers
Dale.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:07, you wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:16:26PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:22, you wrote: ported to the the Darwin Kernel
on
yeah
define profit
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:39:27 +1200
Carl Cerecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adam Martin wrote:
the work would be unpaid until completion of the
project.. whereby programmer would be paid a 50% royalty (of profits).
Ding ding ding.
My warning bell just went off.
Bill Gates died and met God, and God said, Well, Bill, I'm really
confused on this one. I'm not sure whether to send you to heaven or
to Hell. After all, you enormously helped society by putting a
computer in almost every home in the world, and yet you created that
ghastly Windows. I'm going to
This reminds me, Gentoo ebuilds are flexible enough to build directly from CVS without
changing the user commands (I expect this is how E17 is packaged).
In my one brief look at Debian I got the impression that .deb files are scattered to
the four corners of the net, and just finding where they
do you mean opendarwin
www.opendarwin.org
have downloaded the x86 version, but not had a chance to do anything
with it yet.
John
Dale Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/11/03 08:48 AM
Any furthur word on the X86 release of Darwin that Apple were playing
with a
while back
Cheers
Dale.
On
I think this is a good idea, though I expect it to be far more complex than a standard
(Redhat/Mandrake) installfest. As such, I would suggest that the organisers have a
practise run with a few experts who are willing to give Gentoo a try - so that some
of the issues can be ironed out earlier.
= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
This reminds me, Gentoo ebuilds are flexible enough to build directly from
CVS without changing the user commands (I expect this is how E17 is packaged).
In my one brief look at Debian I got the impression that .deb files are
scattered to the
I also think this is a good idea, but maybe not as a public installfest like
the Mandrake/RedHat ones. Just a small gathering of everyone on the list who
wants to try Gentoo (*puts up hand* ;-) or who wants to get updated packages
quickly for their current system (if they're on a modem
Kind of , they had an ISO released a while back linked to the apple dev
download homepage (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/) ,it was a bootable iso
image , however it was VERY component specific and I was wondering wether
there had been a furthur released ...I havent managed to track even the
Yeah... everyone should have a NIC, and any machine that is not currently
installing should be compiling for others (it can do this no matter what
distro it's currently running, can't it?). I'd probably bring my laptop along
to install on (currently running RH, ugh), but it's slow (P166) - I could
Even better - if the installfest is held at uni - get Knoppix with distcc and
take over some of the lab pcs :). 20 odd pc's running distcc should make
things very fast ;)
Of course we'd need permission to do that :)
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:41, Dale Anderson wrote:
An idea would be to setup
yep that sounds like open darwin
I had a quick attempt at booting on a test machine, but it didn't get
very far...
the download from opendarwin is a bootable iso, and is the one that
apple refer to - apple license etc.
John Blance
Technical Architect
Canterbury District Health Board
Direct
Now THAT is a stellar idea. It's holidays soon isn't it?
-Original Message-
From: Simon Hansman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:50 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
Even better - if the installfest is held at
Count me in as a helper (with another box)
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:26 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
I think this is a good idea,
opps.. typo...
Don't you mean debian.paradise.net.nz? And they
only have Debian on
there these days, or so it seems
Cheers, me...
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 16:20, Mahesh De Silva wrote:
ftp.paradise.net.nz
=
For Linux CD's check out http://www.xsolutions.co.nz
FYI .. the latest KNOPPIX 2003-06-06 with KDE 3.12 is available from e-caf
I've taken a good look at this release and it appears to be the one .. for
hard disk installs .. for those of you wanting to take the short-cut to
debian with a kde interface and open office ..
Yes you can even see it
Hey,
Does all this interest in Gentoo mean that we are going to
have to organise a Gentoo Installfest?
I'm keen. We could do it at the OSTC if you want. There are already 7 PC's
that you can use. Depending on how many others are interested, we might
need another ethernet switch.
I started
Count me in as a helper and/or installer (depending on how my own
install goes over the next week or so!)
-Original Message-
From: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:58 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Gentoo Installfest (was Re:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:52, Brad Beveridge wrote:
Yep, we would also probably want to setup our own gentoo (partial) mirror
rather than nfs sharing the portage tree. I think I remember somebody on
this list doing that? Christopher - since this is your baby, do you want to
figure out a rough
I'm keen to help out. I've run Gentoo for over a year now so should know my way
around it enough to help people out. I can also donate an Athlon 800Mhz box for
distccing for the day.
I would recommend that people installing already have either a working distro
installed, or know exactly what
...OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
The number interested will define the location of the venue.
Note that you _must_ have a linux compatible network card installed in
your
machine for this idea to even totter into the realm of
http://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo is a current mirror .they did have an
rsync mirror to for portage updates but it seems to have vanished
Cheers
Dale.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:52, you wrote:
Yep, we would also probably want to setup our own gentoo (partial) mirror
rather than nfs
So, the question is, what can be reasonably expected from a
8hr session?
Getting installed to stage3 getting files from the portage tree.
If we have a serious compile farm with distcc then maybe get X running as well.
Maybe this should be run over 2 successive weekends, first weekend
I think this is great! I think we could possibly make gentoo news, particularly if we
used the whole uni network for distcc'ing. (although ostc sounds more feasible)
BTW does anyone know how to set up distcc? do i just emerge distcc on my gentoo box?
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:44:24 +1200
It is still there at rsync://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo-x86-portage
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Dale Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:02 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00, you wrote:
...OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
The number interested will define the location of the venue.
Note that you _must_ have a linux compatible network card installed in
your
machine for
m so it is ...
Dale.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:14, you wrote:
rsync://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo-x86-portage
I am interested but have downloaded the rc4 iso and will likely give
that a try soon...as I'll likely fail (I know, be optimitstic right),
I'd likely need a hand with the niggly bits.
Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00, you wrote:
...OK, First things first:-
Do not worry Jason, there are so many willing helpers on this list that if
you have Internet access on another machine (and some patience) you would
get help to get you through.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003
Thanks Robert, it is the encoragement from people like you on this list
that make it what it is...
PS, the box I would be installing on would be my ONLY box =(
Bugga...LOL
Cheers
Jason
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
Do not worry Jason, there are so many willing helpers on this list that
Well I do not mind being phoned or even sharing an evening with you, your PC
and a drink or two. (And I am sure there are others in the same category)
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:32 p.m.
To: [EMAIL
LMFAO!
Nick Rout wrote:
Bill Gates died and met God, and God said, Well, Bill, I'm really
confused on this one. I'm not sure whether to send you to heaven or
to Hell. After all, you enormously helped society by putting a
computer in almost every home in the world, and yet you created that
I read one simaler... just with it being Hell 3.1 that he had seen (This
is hell 95) :).
Jason wrote:
LMFAO!
Nick Rout wrote:
Bill Gates died and met God, and God said, Well, Bill, I'm really
confused on this one. I'm not sure whether to send you to heaven or
to Hell. After all, you
Yep - that will emerge the distcc client daemon, there is a startup script in
/etc/init.d/distcc.
Configuring the end that is serving the compile units (ie the machine that is doing
the compiling) is a matter of creating a list of ip/hostnames of distcc machines that
can be used for compile
That would be..
? Put the names of the servers in your environment:
export DISTCC_HOSTS='localhost red green blue'
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 1:34 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
I thought I'd share my efforts with you all :)
http://ldots.org/nwn/
--
Michael JasonSmith http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~mpj17/
Or that he had seen the beta version!
- Original Message -
From: David Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:32:37 +1200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: bill gates joke
I read one simaler... just with it being Hell 3.1 that he had seen (This
is hell 95) :).
Jason
Now that's funny!! =)
Lance Blackler wrote:
Or that he had seen the beta version!
- Original Message -
From: David Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:32:37 +1200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: bill gates joke
I read one simaler... just with it being Hell 3.1 that
Do you mean that this is the one that they have fixed all the problems we discussed
the other night Paul - if so I am definitely interested.
Lance Blackler
- Original Message -
From: Paul Swafford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:16:48 +1200 (NZST)
To: CLUG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
oww shucks - thx ;)
- Original Message -
From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:00:55 +1200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: bill gates joke
Now that's funny!! =)
Lance Blackler wrote:
Or that he had seen the beta version!
- Original Message -
From:
The other thing is that once you have compiled , say X and KDE on one
machine, you can transfer it to a similar architecture machine.
ie if you ebuild X KDE for pentium4 you can transfer to another p4
machine, but not an athlon t-bird.
so efficiencies will depend on the mix of machines we get.
Lance .. in short .. yep sure have!
cheers
Paul
(Manager, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arts Centre)
(Level 2/28 Worcester Boulevard, Christchurch, NZ)
(ph/fax +64 3 3656480 www.e-caf.com)
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Lance Blackler wrote:
Do you mean that this is the one that they have fixed all the problems
Nick Rout, 2003-06-11 08:03:40 +1200:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:21:30+1200 Timothy Musson wrote:
Chris Bayley, 2003-06-10 19:33:40 +1200:
I have 16K+ messages in my inbox and would like to run procmail
over it
mv mbox whatever
cat whatever | formail -s procmail
its maildir not mbox,
or of course the old short one about the difference between the two
being that God doesn't think he's Bill.
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
Count me in as particpant / helper - I can bring a couple of gentoo
boxes for horsepower...
and there are some finishing touches that could be applied to same -
video
i'd be in on this.
got a 2gig hd (spare) and a p200 96meg ram (my pc).
where when ???
dave.
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 09:37, gjw49 wrote:
I also think this is a good idea, but maybe not as a public installfest like
the Mandrake/RedHat ones. Just a small gathering of everyone on the list who
Similar for me - bigger HD though. Yes I am interested, depends when basically, as
also pretty busy schedule.
Lance B
- Original Message -
From: Dave Lilley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:30:02 +1200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:30, Dave Lilley wrote:
i'd be in on this.
got a 2gig hd (spare) and a p200 96meg ram (my pc).
I'm a bit worried that you may find that updating and generally maintaining a
Gentoo machine with that speed of processor would be somewhat, shall we say,
tiresome. To
Yahoo!
- Original Message -
From: Paul Swafford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:26:59 +1200 (NZST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Latest KNOPPIX
Lance .. in short .. yep sure have!
cheers
Paul
(Manager, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arts Centre)
(Level 2/28 Worcester
Brad Beveridge wrote:
I'm keen to help out. I've run Gentoo for over a year now so should know my way
around it enough to help people out. I can also donate an Athlon 800Mhz box for
distccing for the day.
I would recommend that people installing already have either a working distro
Ya well from some of the messages i too think that but maintainability
is a concern (want to be able to update OS packages without too much
hassle - missing support files etc as i'e found with m'drake 8.2).
dave.
ps have a bigger drive too (15gig).
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 17:14, Christopher
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:41, Brad Beveridge wrote:
I was meaning Gentoo unstable.
Gentoo has a single Portage tree which is similar to the *BSD ports system,
with some source packages marked.
i.e. there are no separate directories for the different stability levels
as in Debian.
-Original
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