Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
distro as a server Just my $0.02 worth. Chris H. On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 09:55, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Following on from the distro wars, anyone got any comments about the best distro for a production server? I'm soon going to be setting up a Linux server which marks the beginning

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 11:13, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Hardware support is certainly a major consideration. I've had reasonable support from Dell in the past, but I've heard that if you play around with the operating system, their support suddenly vanishes. This is why I'm thinking about

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:41:44 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The differences between the various distros are all in the installation method, and the methods used to set up, stop and start the daemons. There is also the aesthetic and cosmetic differences, There is one

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 11:24, Tom Munro Glass wrote: This installation is for a very small network, but if it does everything that's required I'm likely to get the job of introducing Linux servers into a medium size company that currently has half a dozen NT4 servers and around 50 desktops.

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Hi Chris, I thought I might get a Gentoo vote from you ;-) Must admit that I'd probably find Gentoo easiest to work with, but maybe it's time I was less one-eyed! Thanks for the Scyld link - looks very useful. Tom Munro Glass On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:41, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Take care

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread John Blance
We use RH here, but I'm not sure that I would recommend it unless you are going to buy one of the Commercial versions. RPM is OK at best and RH are quite slow at releasing version upgrades to packages. They usually back-port security updates to an earlier version of the application. You can

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Greenwood
The other option is Mandrake ;) Updates are free and are kept up with welleasy to update via urpmi too. Cheers Jason John Blance wrote: We use RH here, but I'm not sure that I would recommend it unless you are going to buy one of the Commercial versions. RPM is OK at best and RH are quite

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Chris Hellyar
mild rant.. RPM hell on a server? If you're running a business on a box you shouldn't be installing any rpm's that didn't come from the distro provider, and, ergo, rpm hell should not occur. We have 8 RedHat servers at work with a corporate RHN subscription, they operate as FilePrint, Firewall

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Yes, the larger installation will be very remote - in England! Downloading updates won't be a problem, but rpm hell might be! I've only had a few hours playing with RH9, so I've yet to encounter that particular torture. I don't mind command-line admin providing I know how to drive the

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Getting slightly OT, but could you suggest some reputable local hardware suppliers? I've built my own PCs in the past but in recent years I've found it hard to match the price of suppliers such as Dell, especially for servers. Tom On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:29, Jim Cheetham wrote: I don't know

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread David Zanetti
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Good advice about the processor/disk speed Jim. I will definitely be using SCSI and would like to use raid but it's too expensive. If you want to do RAID on the cheap, get SCSI and use the Linux kernel's

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:13, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Yes, the larger installation will be very remote - in England! That shouldn't put you off, I co-admin a bunch of FreeBSD machines in the UK, only 300ms away over 23 hops ... I use screen on the remote box, so I can ssh in and restore the

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
package hell I've ever had was with a Debian unstable server (I didn't do it). Putting any unstable distro on a server is, eh, unwise. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Many thanks for the tip about screen. I'd never heard of it but it looks incredibly useful. I've just emerged it on my Gentoo machine, and see it's already available in RH9 I stuck on a test machine in England. This gets my vote for Tip Of The Day! Tom On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:35, Jim Cheetham

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:58, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Nonsense. I run SuSE server(s), the update mechanism is excellent and free. rpm hell? You must have misunderstood something. It never happened to me. On my desktop, I can tick automatic, and each time I log in (or I click a little con in the

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
was an IT professional. On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:59:19 +1200 Chris Hellyar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mild rant.. RPM hell on a server? If you're running a business on a box you shouldn't be installing any rpm's that didn't come from the distro provider, and, ergo, rpm hell should not occur. We have 8 RedHat

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
it). Putting any unstable distro on a server is, eh, unwise. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:22:42 +1200 Tom Munro Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks for the tip about screen. I'd never heard of it but it looks incredibly useful. I've just emerged it on my Gentoo machine, and see it's already available in RH9 I stuck on a test machine in England.

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 13:22, Tom Munro Glass wrote: Many thanks for the tip about screen. I'd never heard of it but it looks incredibly useful. I've just emerged it on my Gentoo machine, and see it's already available in RH9 I stuck on a test machine in England. This gets my vote for Tip

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:22, you wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:58, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Nonsense. I run SuSE server(s), the update mechanism is excellent and free. rpm hell? You must have misunderstood something. It never happened to me. On my desktop, I can tick automatic, and each time

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:46:46 +1200 Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before you get too used to screen, you may want to consider remapping the default C-a command string with something else, if you're in the habit of using C-a for emacs-binding beginning-of-line in either your editors or

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 01:56:13PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: None the less, a Gentoo install would allow you to have the command:- emerge --update world Last time I ran that it hosed a box. Not very impressive. Cheers, -mjg -- Matthew Gregan |/

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 13:56, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:22, you wrote: The server-relevant point here is that this update process must be completely automatic - i.e. not waiting for a user to log on to a graphical desktop. You must be overflowing with trust in your

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Munro Glass
Thanks Nick. Yet more information to try and remember! Tom usefule article here on screen http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6340

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:35, you wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 01:56:13PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: None the less, a Gentoo install would allow you to have the command:- emerge --update world Last time I ran that it hosed a box. Not very impressive. That's the knid of reason I'm not

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread elvis
machines ... not that I have to use Dell. Perhaps my question should have been any hardware/distro combinations recommended for a server? Tom Munro Glass Previously I've been happy with FreeBSD, now I'm also happy with Debian :-) -jim

RE: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Larry Smith
Good question. Why is everyone using RH when you have a better distro like SuSE. RH is starting to smell like MS. The same technique/template as MS re: Marketing, Certification etc. not to mention the costs. The Certification costs are as bad as MCSE. Besides, SuSE is the oldest, most stable

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:14, you wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:46:46 +1200 Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before you get too used to screen, you may want to consider remapping the default C-a command string with something else, if you're in the habit of using C-a for emacs-binding

Re: Distro for a server

2003-09-02 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:11:21 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dont' forget vigor http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ LMFAO, we've had tip of the day: vigor is laugh of the week!

Distro choice not easy for Windows people...

2003-09-01 Thread Chris Wilkinson
user wanting to try Linux will be I'm sure totally baffled by the in-fighting between Linux users and the my distro is better than yours arguments that frequent LUG forums. Do I have a valid point here? I'm pretty sure this guy will install RH 9.0 and find his KDE desktop very similar to MDK 9.1

Re: Distro choice not easy for Windows people...

2003-09-01 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:45, you wrote: Hi there, I just did a samarital act by lending my Mandrake 9.1 install disks to a guy who looks to install Linux onto his work system to lower license costs to zero. /. has the much same level of authority as talk-back radio. Do I have a valid point

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-14 Thread G. M. Bodnar
generally see two vocal camps: drake and gentoo. There seems to be a fairly decent base of debian (partly thanks to Knoppix), but we're a less vocal bunch around here. Choose your distro based on what you want out of the system. Gentoo is a great learning experience, but it favours those with a good

Re: Which distro?

2003-08-14 Thread Jaco Swart
Thanks for all the responses about my distro question, it did give me an idea about what's available and what to look for. For the next six months or so, I'll just stick with RH7.3. It works :-) If there is one thing that I would like to fix up, though, it is the fonts in X. How can I sharpen

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-14 Thread Simon Hansman
There are problems with that article - even with the same hardware there were differences (setting up udma and different X drivers)so I wouldn't conclude from it that Gentoo is slower than Debian or Mandrake. However even if (and that's a big if IMHO) it is, that's not the main point of

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Packer
Have you tried changing the window manager's own settings? The most obnoxious sounds in RH 7.3 (Gnome) are not from Gnome but from Sawfish. =Andrew On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 19:55, David Mann wrote: BTW how does one disable the window event sounds in KDE? I'm talking about the sounds for

Re: Which distro?

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Fisher
Not sure if this applies to RH7.3 but it sure helped me when I used RH8 and also helped with some Mandrake problems. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1890 Rob On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 08:03, Jaco Swart wrote: Thanks for all the responses about my distro question, it did give me an idea

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-14 Thread David Mann
Armstrong wrote: personally i use slackware, its fast and lightweight, love the package system because its so basic and never gets in the way. no one here seems to mention it much though. I use it as well. Just got Slackware 9.0 but found to my dismay that it doesn't come with kernel source

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-14 Thread Armstrong
David Mann wrote: Armstrong wrote: personally i use slackware, its fast and lightweight, love the package system because its so basic and never gets in the way. no one here seems to mention it much though. I use it as well. Just got Slackware 9.0 but found to my dismay that it doesn't

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-12 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:11, you wrote: So I'm just wondering: is it worthwhile to stay with RH7.3, No. or should I go on to more recent distributions? Without doubt! If so, which one, and why? Opening a beehive here :-) Sorry can't help myself. :-)

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-10 Thread Robert Fisher
Settings Control Center Sound Multimedia System notifications On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 19:55, David Mann wrote: Armstrong wrote: personally i use slackware, its fast and lightweight, love the package system because its so basic and never gets in the way. no one here seems to mention it

Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-09 Thread Jaco Swart
While not convinced completely, I'll give RPM's another go :-) This apt thing sounds promising... There is something else that I have been thinking about lately. Initially, my decision to install RH7.3 was made because a friend and a friend of his was going to install it, and we thought it

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-08 Thread Chad
I'd suggest Mandrake 9.1 or 9.2 (if you want to wait a month or so for it to be released) It's quick and easy to use and install and uses urpmi for rpm which deal with dependencies well. chad While not convinced completely, I'll give RPM's another go :-) This apt thing sounds promising...

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-06 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
i compile pretty much everything from source these days I used to do that too, up to a few years ago, when I decided I wasn't going to waste my time any more when instead I could just tick a box in the installer and whizzz goes the cd drive. Or dvd drive, as it's now. And the software I install

Re: Which distro? was RPM's are evil

2003-08-06 Thread Armstrong
re gentoo optimization this was on /. a few days back: http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=227 personally i use slackware, its fast and lightweight, love the package system because its so basic and never gets in the way. no one here

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-25 Thread Johnno
, February 25, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Distro Updates urpmi has to be run as root (normal users can not see or access it). You'll have to log in as root or uses su. Once your loged in as root it should be avliable to you. You are runing Mandrake linux aren't you? It should have been installed as part

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-25 Thread Johnno
It sure is, I am planning an upgrade in the next week or so.. Johnno --- Original Message - From: Gareth Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Distro Updates Do you have an X display running? If so, you might wanna point

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
display: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# urpmi bash: urpmi: command not found Johnno - Original Message - From: Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Johnno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Distro Updates urpmi has to be run as root (normal users can

RE: Distro Updates

2003-02-25 Thread David Kirk
perhaps you are running it as root in a user's X display. try (as user) xhost + and then (as root) MandrakeUpdate Wouldn't that give the whole world access to display X apps on his screen? Later David Kirk

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-25 Thread Nick Rout
Yeah *gulp* I should have mentioned that LOL assuming his machine is not friewalled or NAT'd On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:00:26 +1300 David Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perhaps you are running it as root in a user's X display. try (as user) xhost + and then (as root) MandrakeUpdate Wouldn't

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-25 Thread Chad
]# urpmi bash: urpmi: command not found Johnno - Original Message - From: Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Johnno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Distro Updates urpmi has to be run as root (normal users can not see or access

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-25 Thread Chad
urpmi has only been part of Mandrake linux since about version 7.2 (now at version 9) your 6.1 version is way to old (2-3years out of date). Chad this is what I get from mandrake 6.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# MandrakeUpdate Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]#

Distro Updates

2003-02-24 Thread Johnno
Is there a update program around that will run from shell?? I tried to use MandrakeUpdate on one of the system.. but is need a graphic interface to work... Most of the work I do on the servers is remote and via SSH... Many Thanks, Johnno

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-24 Thread Gareth Williams
apt on a debian system :) (I think you can install/use it on a mandrake system too?) or (depending on your setup - whether you have a local X server running, are behind a firewall, etc etc) you could use X11 forwarding over ssh to see your graphical app... Cheers, Gareth On Monday 24

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-24 Thread Chad
On Monday 24 Feb 2003 11:25 pm, Johnno wrote: Is there a update program around that will run from shell?? I tried to use MandrakeUpdate on one of the system.. but is need a graphic interface to work... Most of the work I do on the servers is remote and via SSH... Many Thanks,

Re: Distro Updates

2003-02-24 Thread Johnno
.. I have a look a apt many thanks... Johnno - Original Message - From: Gareth Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Distro Updates apt on a debian system :) (I think you can install/use it on a mandrake system too

News on the NZ distro yoper

2003-01-22 Thread Nick Rout
Sorry if this repeats another posting: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3097027thesection=technologythesubsection=general -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: News on the NZ distro yoper

2003-01-22 Thread Jason Greenwood
and in case anyone missed it: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-01-21-014-26-NW-DT-SWtbovrmode=1#talkback_area Nick Rout wrote: Sorry if this repeats another posting: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3097027thesection=technologythesubsection=general

Re: nz linux distro?

2002-12-08 Thread John Carter
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vik Olliver wrote: On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 13:57, Justin Soong wrote: Who is exactly behind this distro? Dunno, but I'm sure as heck going to find out. Some company in Awkland... John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait Electronics

nz linux distro?

2002-12-06 Thread Mahesh De Silva
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Re: nz linux distro?

2002-12-06 Thread Justin Soong
Who is exactly behind this distro? - Original Message - From: Mahesh De Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: nz linux distro? Hey all.. Is this the first nz based linux distro? http://www.yoper.com/ mahesh

Re: nz linux distro?

2002-12-06 Thread Vik Olliver
On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 13:57, Justin Soong wrote: Who is exactly behind this distro? Dunno, but I'm sure as heck going to find out. Vik :v)

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-12-05 Thread Michael Beattie
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 08:56:22PM +1300, Rex Johnston wrote: You are going to fit testing onto a floppy ? ... Yes, perhaps i mean't that it's not that obvious how to download the testing distro onto CD/DVD/floppy(?) *sigh*. You can fit the installer on a floppy or two, and point it at the net

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-12-05 Thread Rex Johnston
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 21:13, Michael Beattie wrote: What has happened to the progeny install system ? *shrug* - I'm not working on the installer. I believe the main reason it isnt being used, is that the installer that is developed, needs to work on all 11 architectures released. Aeee,

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-12-04 Thread Rex Johnston
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 17:12, John Carter wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Rex Johnston wrote: Testing makes a good desktop for friends, and i run Unstable. Bugger! That wasted a day and a bit. Howso ? You could have at least mentioned that you can't even install Debian testing at the moment.

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-12-04 Thread John Carter
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Rex Johnston wrote: They are rewriting the boot procedure and what is in sarge at the moment is hostile and broken in the extreme. Err.. boot procedure? Sorry, I meant installation procedure. If you boot off the CD you get dumped into a maze of twisty little passages,

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-12-04 Thread Philip Charles
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, John Carter wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Rex Johnston wrote: Testing makes a good desktop for friends, and i run Unstable. Bugger! That wasted a day and a bit. You could have at least mentioned that you can't even install Debian testing at the moment. You can _only_

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-12-04 Thread Michael Beattie
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 05:53:16PM +1300, Rex Johnston wrote: You could have at least mentioned that you can't even install Debian testing at the moment. You can _only_ upgrade an existing stable installation. Well, no, you'd have problems getting it on a media. Your best bet Bollocks.

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-12-04 Thread Michael Beattie
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 06:17:24PM +1300, John Carter wrote: Sorry, I meant installation procedure. If you boot off the CD you get dumped into a maze of twisty little passages, often broken. On behalf of Debian, I apologise that we have decided to rewrite the installation software for sarge,

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-12-04 Thread Rex Johnston
. you can download the boot floppies that are in current 'pre-beta'. You are going to fit testing onto a floppy ? /feigned incredulity Yes, perhaps i mean't that it's not that obvious how to download the testing distro onto CD/DVD/floppy(?) that someone can install, a` la` Mandrake/RedHat/everyone

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-11-21 Thread Richard Johns
John Carter wrote: Time for a wee bout of 'Distro war... ... Back in the bad old days of Linux 0.99 when Men were Real Men, and little Plastic Barbies were Really Plastic we used to suck down the source of each package from the authors site as we needed it, compiled it, and ran

Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-11-20 Thread John Carter
Time for a wee bout of 'Distro war... Rex Johnson asked if I was still using Debian... Nah, I upgraded it to Storm Linux (a Debian variant) for awhile, currently it is on Redhat 7.3. Hopefully I'll be getting something larger soon and will upgrade it to DeadBat 8.0 or umm, I don't know. I

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-11-20 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:15, you wrote: I'm wondering about trying Gentoo. Needs a fairly modern machine. 400MHz or hopefully much better I'd say, otherwise you'll be waiting aeons for the compiles to finish. I installed the basic stuff and then did an 'emerge kde' and came back a couple of days

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-11-20 Thread Rex Johnston
John Carter wrote: Time for a wee bout of 'Distro war... Rex Johnson asked if I was still using Debian... Close enough John Carer. :) It was more a question of whether the 'help' desk snaffled parore or Matt managed to keep hold of it. Nah, I upgraded it to Storm Linux (a Debian variant

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-11-20 Thread Yuri de Groot
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:15, you wrote: I'm wondering about trying Gentoo. Needs a fairly modern machine. 400MHz or hopefully much better I'd say, I never considered my 500Mhz K6-II to be modern, not after having drooled over other folk's 1GHz Athlons. otherwise you'll be waiting aeons for the

Re: Still using Debian? Gentle bout of Distro War

2002-11-20 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:51, Yuri de Groot wrote: If there's a high bandwidth connection at the instalfest I'll bring my computer and upgrade to gentoo. chris@liberty chris $ du -s /usr/portage/distfiles/ 752620 /usr/portage/distfiles Deities willing, I can bring them along. -- Sincerely

Re: CLUG meeting Linux Distro talk

2002-11-13 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:37, you wrote: Hi, Its a shame we have had no replys on the below request. I don't know how long Nick can speak about Gentoo! Does anyone else have anything they could talk about.? I have just had confirmation that the computer suite will be available during January

Re: CLUG meeting Linux Distro talk

2002-11-13 Thread Nick Elder
On Thursday 14 Nov 2002 2:01 pm, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:37, you wrote: Hi, Its a shame we have had no replys on the below request. I don't know how long Nick can speak about Gentoo! Does anyone else have anything they could talk about.? I have just had

Re: CLUG meeting Linux Distro talk

2002-11-13 Thread Paul_Mannering
yeah - anything involving linux training for the masses - is worth listening to. Nick Elder [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 14/11/2002 14:56:20 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: CLUG meeting Linux Distro

Re: CLUG meeting Linux Distro talk

2002-11-11 Thread Nick Elder
distribution other than Gentoo. So perhaps this is some ones big chance to promote their favorite one! A volunteer? Personally I know little about Debian but would like to hear about it. If some one should want to talk about that particular distro'. But thats just my 2c worth. regards, Nick

CLUG meeting Linux Distro talk

2002-11-07 Thread Nick Elder
ones big chance to promote their favorite one! A volunteer? Personally I know little about Debian but would like to hear about it. If some one should want to talk about that particular distro'. But thats just my 2c worth. regards, Nick Elder

Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Yuri de Groot
In the blue corner we have Mike Debian Beat-me ... In the red corner we have Volker Soo-Say Cool-man .. ding ding ding ...

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Gareth Williams
Now kids, lets play safe. Volker, I have a flame proof suit here you might like to borrow... (you may need it soon, when I jump in on the Debian side ;-) On Saturday 26 October 2002 14:12, Yuri de Groot wrote: In the blue corner we have Mike Debian Beat-me ... In the red corner we have

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Andy George
Linux is Linux is Linux ::shrugs:: - Original Message - From: Yuri de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ... In the blue corner we have Mike Debian Beat-me ... In the red

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Drew Whittle
On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 14:12, Yuri de Groot wrote: In the blue corner we have Mike Debian Beat-me ... In the red corner we have Volker Soo-Say Cool-man .. ding ding ding ... Getting confused and thinking its the WWF, Drew 'Distro Slut' Gentoo, and MrG Slackware double team on Debimon

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Philip Charles
the Distro Flame Wars begin ... In the blue corner we have Mike Debian Beat-me ... In the red corner we have Volker Soo-Say Cool-man .. ding ding ding ... -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Gareth Williams
, October 26, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ... In the blue corner we have Mike Debian Beat-me ... In the red corner we have Volker Soo-Say Cool-man .. ding ding ding ...

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Drew Whittle
On Sun, 2002-10-27 at 02:38, Philip Charles wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Andy George wrote: Linux is Linux is Linux ::shrugs:: But it is not pure GNU like GNU/Hurd (third corner). Hurd, thats that thing that has been in Alpha stage for longer than Linux has been in existence and still is

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Yuri de Groot
And while the others scrap it out, yuri sneaks out the back with those BSD chicks in the red suits ;-)

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Philip Charles
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Drew Whittle wrote: On Sun, 2002-10-27 at 02:38, Philip Charles wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Andy George wrote: Linux is Linux is Linux ::shrugs:: But it is not pure GNU like GNU/Hurd (third corner). Hurd, thats that thing that has been in Alpha stage for longer

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Michael Beattie
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 01:32:04PM +1300, Drew Whittle wrote: Getting confused and thinking its the WWF, Drew 'Distro Slut' Gentoo, I think you mean Drew 'Distro tramp' With-all and the winner is. Whatever the hell suits you. Amen to that. Mike. -- Michael Beattie [EMAIL

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Richard Johns
Yuri de Groot wrote: In the blue corner we have Mike Debian Beat-me ... In the red corner we have Volker Soo-Say Cool-man .. ding ding ding ... and in the other ring we have Source V Binary distros. Richard. --

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Hey I like this! Of course, we wouldn't need to restrict ourselves to just four corners, the more added points to the polygon the bigger the fun, though to save face we should definitely tie the devil in the fourth corner to the post. At Drew's provocative signal we then all start bashing on our

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Michael
Linux is Linux is Linux ::shrugs:: I really hate to add to this pointless thread, but, Linux is as Linux does... ... and that's all I've got to say about that ... Michael.

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Nick Rout
I go with the source compiled corner, gentoo linux, (free|open|net)BSD, sorcery linux, lunarpenguin etc The BSD's are available compiled. On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:21:52 +1300 Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey I like this! Of course, we wouldn't need to restrict ourselves to just

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Yuri de Groot
Thus spake Volker Kuhlmann on this Sat, 26 Oct 2002 : ] Yuri finishes with his red chicks round the back early enough (didn't ] you just marry?!??) he might rejoin the, ehh, discussion. Or was that Yep. There's a link to the wedding fotos on my homepage: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/yuri Click

Re: Let the Distro Flame Wars begin ...

2002-10-25 Thread Yuri de Groot
Thus spake Yuri de Groot on this Sat, 26 Oct 2002 : ] Yep. There's a link to the wedding fotos on my homepage: ] http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/yuri And I've still only got round to uploading the first 3 out of 7 sets of fotos *sigh*

Re: Best distro for 133mhz pc

2002-09-29 Thread Andrew Errington
Hi, I set Peanut up on a P200. I had the devil's own job installing it, but I eventually did it. It is quite a nice distro, but I don't have much experience of alternatives, all I know is it's optimised for lower-spec machines. My PC had 80Mb RAM, but the more the merrier. IMHO the GUI was too

Re: Best distro for 133mhz pc

2002-09-29 Thread Chris Hellyar
Pick a distro... As long as you've got more than 32Mb of ram, (64 better.. 128 even better) and enough disk space (1.2Gb drive or bigger, ish) you will be able to run any of the major distros, you'll just have to remove some of the default daemons and configuration to make it usable. You'll

Re: Best distro for 133mhz pc

2002-09-29 Thread Bill Evans
eventually did it. It is quite a nice distro, but I don't have much experience of alternatives, all I know is it's optimised for lower-spec machines. My PC had 80Mb RAM, but the more the merrier. IMHO the GUI was too slow to be usable- it was the first time I played with KDE, and all it succeeded

Best distro for 133mhz pc

2002-09-28 Thread Maillist
Hi CLUG, I may be getting a 133mhz to mess around with and I was wondering what the best distro would be to run on it. I was thinking about Peanut Linux? What do you think? Thanks,

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