On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 06:44:25PM +0100, Phil Lanch said:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:40:18PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
It's just this sort of thing that makes me lurve perl.
you mistyped C++.
Without getting into a flamewar, and whilst appreciating the benefits of
compile time generic
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On a tangentially related note, I'm very rapidly starting to come to the
opinion that there are far too many applications that are written in
C/C++ which don't need to.
I heartily agree. I think that the combination of a scripting language
plus some
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 09:46:47AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 06:44:25PM +0100, Phil Lanch said:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:40:18PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
It's just this sort of thing that makes me lurve perl.
you mistyped C++.
Without getting into a
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:37:45PM +0100, Nigel Rantor wrote:
You may all get your rocks ready for this one, I expect a stoning from
the zealots. (and Lusercop because he can't resist a good stoning)
:-) I don't tend to reply to buffy threads, not particularly agreeing with
the apparent
Hello.
I plan to announce the tech meet that's happening a week on Thursday (so,
er 13 days from now) this afternoon. But before then I'm looking for
speakers.
Could people interested in speaking email me please? Even those that I
spoke to in the pub and said they could speak, or those that
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Twin Peaks winds me up. I remember being in school when it was on, and the
kind of people who were into it suffered from two other co-morbidities:
1. They liked Marillion
They liked Twin Peaks and Marillion? They clearly are people of
It was nice to meet people at the pub yesterday and play Set!
This isn't really Perl-specific, it's Unix specific, but I plan to
implement the solution in Perl and you seem like a good crowd to ask.
What's the cleanest way to make sure at most N processes are doing X
at once, and anyone else
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:59:31AM +0100, Ben wrote:
Well, that is true, but I'm also seeing some of the problems caused by not
having a (strict | anal | strong | paranoid | batshit ) type system. Certain
types of bugs persist for far longer than they should in 10 line
Perl applications
Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said
Could people interested in speaking email me please? Even those that I
spoke to in the pub and said they could speak, or those that emailed me
after the last tech meet saying they wanted to speak. This way I'll know
you're still up for it, and we won't
Ben was also seeing:
... some of the problems caused by not
having a (strict | anal | strong | paranoid | batshit ) type system. Certain
types of bugs persist for far longer than they should in 10 line
Perl applications whereas a less laissez-faire type system would flush them
out basically
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:28:02AM +0100, Paul Crowley wrote:
What's the cleanest way to make sure at most N processes are doing X
at once, and anyone else wishing to do X blocks until one of those N
are finished?
IPC::Semaphore
--
Nick
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Paul Crowley wrote:
The existing way of doing this is a hack: I have a directory with five
lock files, and it tries to get a lock on each of those five in turn
before proceeding.
Why not have one file with a counter in it saying how many processes are
currently running.
Paul == Paul Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul What's the cleanest way to make sure at most N processes are
Paul doing X at once, and anyone else wishing to do X blocks until one
Paul of those N are finished?
Some sort of scoreboard in shared mem maybe? I don't doubt there's an
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:28:02AM +0100, Paul Crowley wrote:
What's the cleanest way to make sure at most N processes are doing X
at once, and anyone else wishing to do X blocks until one of those N
are finished?
Randal did a column on that that I've just pointed out to someone trying to
do
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:53:13AM +0100, Nick Cleaton wrote:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:28:02AM +0100, Paul Crowley wrote:
What's the cleanest way to make sure at most N processes are doing X
at once, and anyone else wishing to do X blocks until
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/religion/
It reminded me of a long run of visits I had from some JW's when I was
doing my finals in 1997 (a man needs some distraction when studying and I
hadn't
* James Campbell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
snip well written and interesting email about religion
When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas.
Note to self - write Acme::Siesta::Plugin::GodwinsLaw
Greg
--
Greg McCarroll
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Paul Crowley wrote:
It was nice to meet people at the pub yesterday and play Set!
This isn't really Perl-specific, it's Unix specific, but I plan to
implement the solution in Perl and you seem like a good crowd to ask.
What's the cleanest way to make sure at most N
It reminded me of a long run of visits I had from some JW's when I was
doing my finals in 1997 (a man needs some distraction when studying and
I
hadn't found Perl then... Oh, and the woman was a babe). They wanted to
convert me to Christianity and I wanted to convert them to Atheism.
Seemed
On 05/09/2003 at 12:54 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
snip well written and interesting email about religion
When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas.
Love it :-) What a nice generic way to end arguments before they've
started :-)
It would be if he understood what
Shevek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Isn't this the kind of thing grid engine and its ilk have been designed to
solve? There are many such architectures already written, I'm suprised
noone has mentioned it. There's not much point growing your own using IPC.
Do you mean
Curiously, the original article
(http://www.reason.com/0308/cr.vp.why.shtml) explains some of why I'm
uneasy about buffy: the extent to which it carries Standardized American
Memes (good and bad). American tolerance/demand for Moral Closure seems
to be very high, cf. all those films where the
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
P.S. The play Jumpers by Stoppard is on at the NT right now. Deals with
just this topic in a highly clever and amusing way.
Natch clever and amusing (and probably incomprehensible without several
degrees and as-yet-undeveloped hypermedia technology), it's Tom Stoppard.
Tim Sweetman wrote:
be about fifteen different recommendations, two of which would involve
Befunge. By the same toucan, best TV series is not a sensible thing to
Befunge the Vampire Slayer. That's the best TV series. Ever.
--
Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Research Scientist, Expway
Sorry it's not a strictly perl job - there might be some involved...
We've just had a job pop-up in our London office, looking from someone
with a fair chunk of c/c++ programming experience.
http://www.jobserve.com/IT/Jobserve/JobDetail.asp?jobid=18D8ACB782C0A454
and http://www.factset.com if
I've waffled previously about Audiofile::Info and the problems I was having
coming up with a good way to allow people to use whatever MP3/Ogg library
that they like. See list and use.perl journal passim for a description of
the problem.
I had a discussion with Mark last night where a lot of
T'was written...
WTF do you mean, best TV series ever?
Busty was great but what about the Avengers???
Gaz
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Er, who was it who said If you educate people without religion you create
clever little devils?
I don't think I dreamt it.
James
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Je 2003-09-05 14:37:02 +0100, James Campbell skribis:
Er, who was it who said If you educate people without religion you create
clever little devils?
Perhaps the world's scriptures are lacking in advocating basic search
engine usage.
http://www.princeton.edu/~gcu/quotes.htm
(Arthur Wellesley
Je 2003-09-05 14:37:02 +0100, James Campbell skribis:
Er, who was it who said If you educate people without religion you create
clever little devils?
I was going to say that it was first on the list of google results but
Paul beat me to it.
How can devils exist without religion?
Ob buffy.
I
Dean == Dean Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dean Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Damn. You made it, too. I also did a similar thing with POE as well,
which might make more sense here...
http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/col41.html
Dean Is it just me or does anybody else have trouble
James Campbell wrote:
If God created the universe, who created God?
God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on -
that God, or whatever name you chose for the concept, is omniprescient
and omnipotent. This
Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Dean Is it just me
Yes :)
The text is black on #9797FF. If you can't read text with that
contrast, maybe you oughta check the gamma on your screen. :)
Just tried it on a laptop and i could read it. I've got the brightness
cranked up so it might be time for a new
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Paul Crowley wrote:
Shevek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Isn't this the kind of thing grid engine and its ilk have been designed to
solve? There are many such architectures already written, I'm suprised
noone has mentioned it. There's not much point growing your own
Template::Extract is really very shiny. For people who haven't seen
it yet - it's kind of like Template Toolkit backwards. You can use it
to make screenscraping code less ugly.
For people who *have* played with it, I have a question. Here is my code:
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:50:07 PM, Andy Wardley wrote:
AW James Campbell wrote:
If God created the universe, who created God?
AW God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
AW That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on -
AW that God, or whatever
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Installing one of these plugin modules will also maintain a small
database of installed plugins and their capabilities (where a capability
is osmething like reads oggs or writes ID3 tags). This is a bit like
how XML::SAX works.
For comparison
Mark Fowler wrote:
It does it's magic by storing a ParserDetails.ini file in the same
directory as SAX.pm is located. They look like this:
[XML::SAX::PurePerl]
http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces = 1
http://xml.org/sax/features/validation = 0
It also gets those features from metadata in
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:02:52PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
If God created the universe, who created God?
That's one of the more interesting questions. The medieval theologians
charactarised God as the 'prime mover', i.e. the first in a causal chain
of events. It's not
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote:
Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only one of those that's got any
substantial following in this country is Judaism. One of my favourite
Christian-baiting tactics (when I'm in that sort of mood) is to put
forward my proposition that they have a
I'm not sure if this of any help, but it's a function I'm using in Filter::Simple to
locate modules much like 'require' or 'use' might.
use vars '%INC';
sub find_module_file {
my $pkg = $_[0];
my($file, @dirs) = reverse split '::' = $pkg;
my $path = catfile reverse(@dirs),
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:31:37PM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Je 2003-09-05 16:06:15 +0100, Iain Tatch skribis:
Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only one of those that's got
any substantial following in this country is Judaism.
i don't know what modern Judaism says about it, but in
Oh Christ!
What have I done...
James
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:29:02PM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote:
all. At which point I want to throw the following at Mr Stoppard, but I
don't have a time machine:
Mr Stoppard is alive and well.
--
Phil Lanch0xD78D598DA6635CF32AB24593C98994B7D95B33E3
Je 2003-09-05 16:54:30 +0100, Iain Tatch skribis:
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:31:37 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote:
PM Islam is quite a popular monotheistic religion in the UK, six times more
PM so than Judaism in England.
Islam, monotheistic?
You really think so?
Jeez, come on Iain, I
Andy Wardley wrote:
God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
Yeah, but what created God?
James
(who is definately going to hell for this)
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote:
If he / she / it is worshipped, then regardless of what name they're
given, I still maintain it's a god.
While some people fall into that trap there are not many Catholics who
worshop Mary at all. Certainly the official position of the Church is that
Phil Lanch wrote:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:29:02PM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote:
all. At which point I want to throw the following at Mr Stoppard, but I
don't have a time machine:
Mr Stoppard is alive and well.
I know that, but the sources in question postdate Jumpers. Talented as
Mr Stoppard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/09/2003 16:06:15:
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:50:07 PM, Andy Wardley wrote:
AW James Campbell wrote:
If God created the universe, who created God?
AW God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:11:19PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Shucks, this is getting complicated. Ideas?
Provide a base version to which you pass a list of the plugins to try
at 'use' time or at object creation time, and don't have it do any
detection of available plugins.
Implement
Jason Clifford wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote:
If he / she / it is worshipped, then regardless of what name they're
given, I still maintain it's a god.
While some people fall into that trap there are not many Catholics who
worshop Mary at all. Certainly the official position of the
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote:
You are being presented an external view yet answer with theology -- theology is
of little importance to the external eye. The old Egyptian/Kemetic religion is
often called polytheistic, when in fact their theology claims that there is only
one
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Jason Clifford wrote:
She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna generally
do so as a god?
I dunno. Is Guy Richie subbed to the list ?
S.
On 05/09/2003 at 18:29 +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Jason Clifford wrote:
She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna
generally do so as a god?
Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits.
On the other hand, in the latest video she really manages to look her
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote:
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
.
.
.
Uh-oh, is that a massive bolt of...
What has this got to do with Ben's message on Bad C Source?
Just curious.
Nicholas
James Campbell wrote:
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/religion/
And it's due for a re-write. It's been due for a re-write for ages, but
I just can't be bothered. Most of the content there is
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 5:08:00 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote:
PM http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/features/beginner/index.shtml
PM ``You have to believe that there is only one God, Allah, who created the
PM entire universe, and that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is his final
PM
Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote:
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
.
.
.
Uh-oh, is that a massive bolt of...
What has this got to do with Ben's message on Bad C Source?
Paul Mison wrote:
On 05/09/2003 at 18:29 +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Jason Clifford wrote:
She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna
generally do so as a god?
Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits.
On the other hand, in the latest video she really
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:29:12AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Twin Peaks winds me up. I remember being in school when it was on, and the
kind of people who were into it suffered from two other co-morbidities:
1. They liked Marillion
Andy Wardley wrote:
That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on -
that God, or whatever name you chose for the concept, is omniprescient
and omnipotent. This implies that God is everywhere and in everything and
there can be nothing that is outside of God.
Iain
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:34:16PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote:
Christianity is a derived form of Judaism. It teaches that there is one
God and that's it.
Not quite. It teaches that YHWH is the only *true* God, but the Hebrew
Scriptures are full of stories of other gods.
Tony
Jason Clifford wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote:
Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits.
A god of slaughtered cows? ;)
Nah, radiocative decay. A cowium atom decays into several steakiums and
some leatherium, plus a handful of neutrinos, a loud moo and some
Andy Wardley wrote:
In fact, I wasn't being entirely serious. Well, half-serious.
I like my definition of God == Universe because it works for me.
But the whole point of religion/spirituality/belief is that it is entirely
personal. It should be based on your own beliefs, not on what anyone
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, David Cantrell wrote:
Furrfu, why do people have to keep inventing deities for perfectly
simple natural processes? And why isn't there a God Of Having A Really
Big Dump, You Know, The Ones Where You Just Have To Get It Out But
Strain And Strain As Much As You Like It Just
On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Hence also the central tenet 'There is no God but God'.
and here all this time i thought it went the tao that can be named is
not the true tao.
/me ducks
It's worth remembering that most of the
saints were created in
On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 12:42 PM, Jason Clifford wrote:
How often are stereotypes correct?
rather often. it's how they become stereotypes, you know. ;-)
Furrfu, why do people have to keep inventing deities for perfectly
simple natural processes? And why isn't there a God Of Having A Really
Big Dump, You Know, The Ones Where You Just Have To Get It Out But
Strain And Strain As Much As You Like It Just Doesn't Want To Move?
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